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Speaker 2: This is the Player's Lounge broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 2: World headquarters at the Star. Now your hosts Barry Church,
Speaker 2: Danny McCrae, Heckma Harrison and New he Scruggs.
Speaker 1: Yo. Here we are players Lounge. No players involved today,
Speaker 1: it's just heck Ma Harrison me New Scrugs. So Barry
Speaker 1: Church out doing church things, yes, and now swinging swinging
Speaker 1: the clubs doing the thing in his last but a
Speaker 1: summer in before the kids head back to school. Danny
Speaker 1: McCrae on assignment. So it is Heckman and I talking
Speaker 1: Cowboys with you right here for the SWBC podcast studio
Speaker 1: at the Star in Frisco, California. Cowboys training camp still
Speaker 1: going on Oxnard, California. On Sunday, the Los Angeles Rams
Speaker 1: will take on the Cowboys and we'll start to see
Speaker 1: exactly what guys are doing there. One thing to talk
Speaker 1: about Oxar, California right now, Hackma Harrison, is the fact
Speaker 1: that the fans have not been coming out. Let's be honest,
Speaker 1: fans upset fans upset Two things. One the playoff loss, okay,
Speaker 1: another disappointment, and two Jerry Jones set all in. The
Speaker 1: owner and general manager set all in. It's not been
Speaker 1: all in. And you know how people vote, they vote
Speaker 1: with their pocketbook. True, they vote with their pocketbook. And
Speaker 1: while there have been some days where it's been nice
Speaker 1: out there, you know, but there's a noticeable drop off
Speaker 1: and a part of it is the excitement. So we
Speaker 1: know Jerry cares about this. Jerry cares about it, and
Speaker 1: he brought up the whole season ticket sales and yes,
Speaker 1: the cowboys, so they are the cowboys. Okay, they are
Speaker 1: the cowboys. But when fans start saying, you know, I've
Speaker 1: got something else to do this summer in seventy degree
Speaker 1: weather in ox Star, California, I have gone to camp
Speaker 1: where you literally see the cars lined up down the
Speaker 1: street because we were lucky, we got that little media
Speaker 1: access so we could just go on past mean slingshot
Speaker 1: to the left and you see all the cars to
Speaker 1: the right. People are not coming. And that to me
Speaker 1: is a message that they're sending to the owner and
Speaker 1: general manager and the players. You know what, man, that hope,
Speaker 1: you man, some people got off that narcotic. They're not.
Speaker 1: They're not one of those shows. What is your take
Speaker 1: as you you read it and you start to see it.
Speaker 4: You know, look, the optics are not indicative of what
Speaker 4: you've seen in the past, and I think you point
Speaker 4: that out and it's It's true. In the past there
Speaker 4: has been the line around the block to get into
Speaker 4: ox Nar, right, but you know, you hit the nail
Speaker 4: on the head. I think there's not a lot to
Speaker 4: get excited about it. And it goes down to what
Speaker 4: you did and what you didn't do in the off season.
Speaker 4: And I think everyone could see. You could see you
Speaker 4: didn't make the moves that all in said that you
Speaker 4: were going to make okay, and you hadn't signed your stars.
Speaker 4: So there's so much influx right now that I think
Speaker 4: that if you inject chaos right here, this is the
Speaker 4: byproduct of that. And the fans may be speaking right now.
Speaker 4: I don't know how much of that if you go
Speaker 4: in the time lapse of all the years that they've
Speaker 4: been at Oxnard, if you go back and say, all right,
Speaker 4: we're probably thirty forty percent. Man, I saw practice the
Speaker 4: other day and I was like, that's gotta be bad.
Speaker 4: That's not a good look when you have just a
Speaker 4: handful of people out out at an open practice. And
Speaker 4: please keep in mind that the Cowboys practices are free,
Speaker 4: so it's not as though you're paying the inner the
Speaker 4: end to the training camp. So look, it's not a
Speaker 4: good look for the Cowboys at all.
Speaker 1: Man, So no splash hurts. No splashing free agency. Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott CD lamb unsigned. Your first round draft pick was
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman that most people did not know who
Speaker 1: he was. So that to me, those are the things
Speaker 1: that fans look at and like frustrated. And heckm you
Speaker 1: walk around town, your friends know you work on the
Speaker 1: Players Lounge podcast. They come up and ask you things.
Speaker 1: They ask me what's going on? And I'm sure you're
Speaker 1: doing exactly what I'm doing. Man, I'm not gonna lie
Speaker 1: to you. I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And even with that being said, I think if
Speaker 4: you look at this, which two things can be true
Speaker 4: at the same time, And I do believe that fans
Speaker 4: are kind of exhausted with all the conjecture and wordplay.
Speaker 4: They want to see action. They want to see players
Speaker 4: come in here and at least make it look like
Speaker 4: you're making a push towards the Super Bowl. But still,
Speaker 4: even with that being said, if you're honest with yourself,
Speaker 4: this is still one of the more talented rosters in
Speaker 4: the NFL right now. There's no denying that. And so
Speaker 4: with those actions that you're talking about, even when you
Speaker 4: do the comparison to even other teams in the NFC,
Speaker 4: in the NFC East, what does Philadelphia do. They go
Speaker 4: out and they get Saquon Barkley, Splash, splash.
Speaker 1: Right off the bat.
Speaker 4: The Commanders not only do they make splashes with the
Speaker 4: head coach going out and drafting a quarterback in the
Speaker 4: first round and bringing in other players. The more you
Speaker 4: look at it, you say, all right, man, you guys
Speaker 4: are behind the eight ball as this thing continues to
Speaker 4: go down the road, because it looks as though other
Speaker 4: teams in the NFC East are getting better. The Giants
Speaker 4: would be the only team that I could point to.
Speaker 4: It doesn't look like they're trying to get any better.
Speaker 4: But other teams in the NFC have made those acquisitions
Speaker 4: that would give the impression. And again, I can only
Speaker 4: go back to what I know about the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 4: roster as I compare it to the rest of those teams,
Speaker 4: and we still compare when you look at the pro
Speaker 4: bowlers and all pros.
Speaker 1: So what you said leads me back into who Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones is. Jerry Jones is an optimist and he'll tell
Speaker 1: you all day long back to me to live in optimism.
Speaker 1: Jerry sells hopes and dreams. From the time he bought
Speaker 1: this team in nineteen eighty nine. Jerry's been selling you
Speaker 1: hopes and dreams. Right now, there's lack of hope. We
Speaker 1: talk about the actions. What are we seeing? And that's
Speaker 1: so different because Jerry's always been the guy selling hopes
Speaker 1: and dreams. And what did he sell. Hell, he sold ambiguity.
Speaker 4: Ambiguity. I like that word, ambiguity. He wore it out, Okay,
Speaker 4: So so Hecker.
Speaker 1: If I'm trying to sell you something, all right, If
Speaker 1: I'm trying to sell heck my hairshoner suit. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: coming with hopes and dreams. I'm not coming some ambiguity now,
Speaker 1: you know. Heck. I mean I think this black on
Speaker 1: you with the slate is going to look good being
Speaker 1: it's like ambiguity here, that's not selling. And for a
Speaker 1: man who sold so many hopes and dreams to people
Speaker 1: now I look at that and I say, man, this
Speaker 1: is this is a byproduct when I think about the
Speaker 1: stands and I just think about overall of the team
Speaker 1: and what is it you're selling right now? It's hard.
Speaker 1: The last three seasons you sold hopes and dreams of
Speaker 1: a super Bowl, you sold super Bowl roster. You're not
Speaker 1: selling that. This year you were able to sell Dan
Speaker 1: Quinn defense. What got Mike McCarthy now taking over? Kelly Moore?
Speaker 1: You were selling me? What are you selling right now?
Speaker 1: What's the hopes and dreams? It's none. Jerry talked about ambiguity,
Speaker 1: and he's right, I mean honest, he's being honest. Yes,
Speaker 1: it is a lot of like I don't know, and
Speaker 1: when I talk to people, heckman, I know, I tell
Speaker 1: me I don't know. We'll have to see. I've got questions,
Speaker 1: I've got thoughts that I'm like, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know. But I think what we're seeing in Aux
Speaker 1: Art is indicative of what I expect to see locally
Speaker 1: here as well back home when they come back here
Speaker 1: for training camp. People are gonna come because it's the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: But what's the intensity level? What are you expecting considering
Speaker 1: the Texas Rangers won the World Series. Last year, the
Speaker 1: Dallas Maverick back in June played in the NBA Finals.
Speaker 1: The Dallas Stars, for the second straight year, played in
Speaker 1: the Western Conference Finals. You're starting to look around here
Speaker 1: and say, Okay, what are you doing, Cowboys? Besides building
Speaker 1: me up? Let me down? Jerry? How do you fix this?
Speaker 1: Where do you go next?
Speaker 3: Low?
Speaker 1: Jerry? Ambiguity? That's that's to me for a man who
Speaker 1: lived on selling hopes and dream Remember the old Obama
Speaker 1: posted hope. He putting that up right now, keep hope alive.
Speaker 1: None of that.
Speaker 4: But let me say this. This is a gentleman by
Speaker 4: the name of mil De grass Tyson. I don't know,
Speaker 4: if you look, one of the smartest people I've ever
Speaker 4: seen are heard before. I mean, this guy is a
Speaker 4: bio molecular, he's a he's a rocket scientist, basically is
Speaker 4: what he is. He uses a lot of words in terms.
Speaker 4: He's part of my algorithm right now is the reason
Speaker 4: why I bring him up. And he's talking about stuff
Speaker 4: that I don't understand. And he could talk for a
Speaker 4: whole hour, and I don't think I pick up on
Speaker 4: anything that he's putting down. I get that feeling a
Speaker 4: lot of times when I'm listening to our owner, because
Speaker 4: we know that Jerry's a genius. Business wise, he is.
Speaker 4: He is a genius, one of the best minds in
Speaker 4: the game. But when it comes down to building a
Speaker 4: team as of late, you kind of have to stand
Speaker 4: back from it and then say, Okay, look what team
Speaker 4: in the NFL wouldn't want over the last three years
Speaker 4: of thirty six and fifteen record, that's pretty much all
Speaker 4: of them. Okay, that would tell you that you're close
Speaker 4: to reaching the pinnacle of what your goals are, which
Speaker 4: is winning a Super Bowl. What do you need and
Speaker 4: so all in when you look at teams like you
Speaker 4: look at teams like San Francisco, all right, a team
Speaker 4: that will bring in a Trent Williams, a team that
Speaker 4: will bring in the running back from North Carolina from
Speaker 4: the Carolina Panthers, Christian mccack Jeniffery, Christian McCaffrey, a guy
Speaker 4: that you know can get you over the hump. You're
Speaker 4: not making those kinds of moves. And I think in contrast,
Speaker 4: and when you start to look at that of the
Speaker 4: representation of what you're getting on the Cowboys, that may
Speaker 4: be the lack of enthusiasm that you see from a
Speaker 4: fan base because they don't see that.
Speaker 1: But what if.
Speaker 4: Jerry already believes that you have that on your team,
Speaker 4: not Christian McCaffrey, but a Trent Williams type and Tyler
Speaker 4: Smith the number seventy three, because look, this is a
Speaker 4: young guy that is giving you everything his talent. You
Speaker 4: know that this guy sky's the limit for a player
Speaker 4: like him. You got Zach Martin at the end of
Speaker 4: his career, still one of the studs in the NFL.
Speaker 4: Excuse me, Terrence Steele, a guy that has come on
Speaker 4: that you've made be who he is right now as
Speaker 4: you're a right tackle. And oh, by the way, you
Speaker 4: have a guy in Austin Richards that you drafted last season,
Speaker 4: but also Tyler Giden. You have a lot of talent
Speaker 4: on this team, and maybe the fan base just isn't
Speaker 4: seeing that.
Speaker 1: Wade and see is definitely a position I think a
Speaker 1: fan should take right now. And you know what I've
Speaker 1: said the past a lot of episodes, let it play out,
Speaker 1: but right now, before we let it play out, you
Speaker 1: can look at this and have a sense of apathy.
Speaker 1: They let me down again. I'm frustrated. I don't know
Speaker 1: where it's going. And I get it. We have people
Speaker 1: who come up and talk to us all the time,
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm on it. So I said, I
Speaker 1: don't know. We have to let this play out. It
Speaker 1: doesn't look good. We'll have to see will Jerry's thought
Speaker 1: process to make people sing for their supper? Will that work?
Speaker 1: We'll see how else can I heck, how else do
Speaker 1: you explain it?
Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's a that's a cool way to
Speaker 4: put it, but that's you know, if you're in the
Speaker 4: last year of a contract, that's kind of how you
Speaker 4: feel because it's it sets the mood for let me
Speaker 4: see more, and I need to see more. And right
Speaker 4: now you're getting that feel for the leader of your team,
Speaker 4: not only your head coach and the leader.
Speaker 1: Of your team. You're leader of the team. Was second
Speaker 1: in the MVP voting. Remember when we were doing this
Speaker 1: podcast last summer, it was a Dak Prescott leading the
Speaker 1: league in interceptions and he didn't even play a full season. Okay,
Speaker 1: Dak was taking a beating, pure beating. So he bounces
Speaker 1: back in a new offense and leads the league in
Speaker 1: touchdown passes an he's second to Lamar Jackson the MVP voting.
Speaker 1: They win the division. Yeah, but yet I'm watching Trevor
Speaker 1: Lawrence get fifty five million dollars average a year, watching
Speaker 1: Tour get paid. Make it make sense? Yeah?
Speaker 4: And Steven comes out, I believe a couple of days
Speaker 4: ago in camp and says that they've already made an
Speaker 4: offer to Dak and the ball is now in his court.
Speaker 4: We don't know what said offer is, but ball is
Speaker 4: in Dak's court. And Dak comes right back and says, well,
Speaker 4: I owe it to the rest of the league to
Speaker 4: take my time and get the best offer of that's
Speaker 4: out there. And I'm in prefacing what he said, but
Speaker 4: basically he's basically saying, Look, it's my duty to make
Speaker 4: sure that I set the market for the younger guys
Speaker 4: that's coming behind me. And so look, man, this this
Speaker 4: was gonna get messy one way or another. It was
Speaker 4: gonna get messy.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: It got messy for Dak two years ago when he
Speaker 4: threw the most interceptions in the NFL, and really the
Speaker 4: front office, a lot of them, a lot of people
Speaker 4: around here didn't come to Dak's defense.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: And then either Mike McCarthy in his first year as
Speaker 4: the offensive coordinator. You've seen how much Dak has like
Speaker 4: his game just kind of like it's the Dak, the
Speaker 4: version of Dak that you've always wanted.
Speaker 1: Getting rid of Kellen Moore was something I was on
Speaker 1: board with. In fact, I never understood why you bring
Speaker 1: in Mike McCarthy and you don't have him calling plays
Speaker 1: from the jump. It's the equivalent of you hiring Sean
Speaker 1: Payton and telling Sean Payton to take someone else. Why
Speaker 1: are you hiring Sean Payton? Sean Payton has called plays
Speaker 1: and won a Super Bowl? Why are you hiring Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy has called plays and won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: So I think after a while it got real clear.
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy's said, Okay, now give this to me, and
Speaker 1: if my job is going to be on the line,
Speaker 1: let me do this. He was really good at it.
Speaker 1: And then going back into Dak and will dive into
Speaker 1: Mike next segment here going back to Dak Prescott, here's
Speaker 1: a guy that's hitting his thirties in a new offense,
Speaker 1: connecting like before the first four games, a lot of run.
Speaker 1: Then they get drilled against San Francisco. Then it's okay,
Speaker 1: let's start throwing this thing. And they made a couple
Speaker 1: changes in the offense which pushed Ceedee Lamb way out there,
Speaker 1: and we saw Ceedee Lamb go to another level. Your
Speaker 1: quarterback right now gets it. He gets it. For dan
Speaker 1: Orlowski to come up with his top ten quarterbacks and
Speaker 1: not have Dak Prescott there is laughable. It's absolutely laughable.
Speaker 1: But you cannot deny that Dak Prescott is a top
Speaker 1: ten quarterback in this league. He gets what he's doing.
Speaker 1: He's about to go in year two of this offense.
Speaker 1: You lock that up. He's a young guy, where now
Speaker 1: we see dudes playing into the forties. So technically, if
Speaker 1: I really break this down, Dak's got seven good years
Speaker 1: left if healthy, that's seven good years years. Why would
Speaker 1: you not want to do everything you can to go
Speaker 1: and get that thing locked up now to put your
Speaker 1: quarterback at ease, and oh, by the way, to send
Speaker 1: a message to everybody else on your team this is
Speaker 1: the guy ye That That for me is mind boggling
Speaker 1: the way the league works when I see so many
Speaker 1: other guys getting paid without producing. But for some reason,
Speaker 1: heckma and you've seen this, and I've seen this. There's
Speaker 1: a certain amount of people, the fan base, it says,
Speaker 1: we'll let him win a super Bowl, let him take
Speaker 1: us to the super Bowl, and then we will pay it.
Speaker 1: That is not how this league works. No, I keep
Speaker 1: pointing to Trevor law Lawrence, I keep pointing to Kyler Murray,
Speaker 1: justin Herbert. What have they done? What have they done?
Speaker 1: And I'll say this about Herbert. People talk about the
Speaker 1: arm strength, all those that natural ability as a quarterback.
Speaker 1: But when I go and I look at Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 1: a number one pick. I look at Kyler Murray being
Speaker 1: a number one pick and everything that you put in there,
Speaker 1: what you were expecting. And then I look at what
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott has been able to do, what he's done.
Speaker 1: The resume to watch, because remember Kyler got forty six
Speaker 1: when Dak got the forty, so Kyler jumped him. Trevor
Speaker 1: Lawns has jumped Dak Prescott. And I look at these
Speaker 1: two players and I just say, number one overall picks,
Speaker 1: guys that the league said, that's it. All this guy's
Speaker 1: put there, They put the sheets up there. That's the guy.
Speaker 4: The truth is, I mean Dak is a polarizing figure,
Speaker 4: you know, this for being a guy in the media,
Speaker 4: you know, and because he's the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: The scrutiny is going to be just as high.
Speaker 4: Tony Romo faced the same thing and countless other quarterbacks
Speaker 4: for the Dallas Cowboys. When you go over his career
Speaker 4: from twenty sixteen to twenty twenty three, you see a
Speaker 4: guy that's built upon his win percentage QBR all of that.
Speaker 4: What people point to the most about Dak is just
Speaker 4: one thing, playoffsoff playoffs.
Speaker 1: And he's given it.
Speaker 4: And the thing is he's offered that up to them,
Speaker 4: and there's no way that he can live it down
Speaker 4: until he actually gets to an NFC championship or he
Speaker 4: gets to a super Bowl. And I think that's where
Speaker 4: you get the Dan Orlowski's of the world that come
Speaker 4: from behind the desk and oh, he's not even top
Speaker 4: ten in the NFL, knowing that that's a lie.
Speaker 1: And so for me, the frush for me, the part
Speaker 1: that I don't understand is you want to couch it
Speaker 1: amongst we need to see playoffs success. That's not how
Speaker 1: paydays work. So it's you want this you want this
Speaker 1: bar that's over here, but it doesn't. That's not how
Speaker 1: people are paid. Yeah, you know you're not paying TJ.
Speaker 1: Watt based on playoff and that's not how you're paying
Speaker 1: a guy. No, this is the market. You're the player. Boom,
Speaker 1: you fit me in the slot. Trevor Lawrence? What was
Speaker 1: it a twenty one point lead they had in the
Speaker 1: playoffs two years ago? Yes, last year I penciled in
Speaker 1: Jacksonville to the super Bowl, super Bowl. Yeah you did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they couldn't even win the division. Yeah, okay, they couldn't
Speaker 1: win the division. Houston went right past him. They've regressed
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence as a quarterback regressed. And what was his reward?
Speaker 1: Fifty five million dollars a year, got a new contract.
Speaker 1: And that's my thing. Heckma, you can't talk to me. Well,
Speaker 1: I need to see playoffs success. That's not how this
Speaker 1: thing works in the league. What else do you judge?
Speaker 4: What else can you judge dac on at this point
Speaker 4: other than playoff success? And look, I'm just saying, look
Speaker 4: at the big picture for him, as far as his
Speaker 4: money needs to get paid, he needs to be plaid
Speaker 4: amongst the.
Speaker 1: Top in the league.
Speaker 4: But what else do you judge him on when you
Speaker 4: can even go back sample size last three years, it's
Speaker 4: won thirty six games.
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Speaker 1: want to jump right into the center position. Is this
Speaker 1: job now brock Hoffman's to lose.
Speaker 5: Is brock Hoffman's And if he lose it, they now
Speaker 5: to go out and get another guy, because right now
Speaker 5: our young Cooper is not steady with his snaps, and
Speaker 5: you know, without the ball in the quarterback hand, it's
Speaker 5: gonna be havoc. So right now brock Hoffman is looking
Speaker 5: like Superman.
Speaker 4: Rock Hoffman is looking now what do you say about
Speaker 4: the about the rookie coming in from Kansas State Cooper
Speaker 4: bb uh. They also have flexed him over to guard
Speaker 4: as well. What does that competition look like between them?
Speaker 4: Even if Hoffman is the you know, the number one
Speaker 4: at center, how is he looking obviously backing up Zach Martin.
Speaker 5: He's a more confident guy at the guard position, naturally,
Speaker 5: that's what he played a lot of in college. He's
Speaker 5: a little bit more physically, he moves a little bit,
Speaker 5: a lot quicker he at that guard position, but at
Speaker 5: the center he's a little hesitant. A lot of times
Speaker 5: you see him thinking about his snap, so he don't
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Speaker 1: So let's move over to the left tackle position. They
Speaker 1: take Tyler Geiden in the first round out of Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: He's been missing time with the flu. He will not
Speaker 1: practice today. Nate, what is your confidence level in this
Speaker 1: young man right now? Starting at left tackle against the
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns for Game.
Speaker 5: One, and he came out of the gates looking great,
Speaker 5: knew and hedman the first few days without past his
Speaker 5: feet was great. He's moving. He still had to work
Speaker 5: on his technique and then something happened. I guess this
Speaker 5: flu kind of really threw him back because he started
Speaker 5: getting a little bit inconsistent, and that's probably what he
Speaker 5: started feeling weakend, and all of a sudden he just
Speaker 5: disappeared for practice. But I will tell you this right here.
Speaker 5: They have a kid right now at that left tackle position,
Speaker 5: man named Awesome Richards, who played a lot last year
Speaker 5: doing training camp and then in the preseason. I talked
Speaker 5: with Mike Clart. They like him a lot. He's gotten
Speaker 5: stronger from last year. He's always been able to stay
Speaker 5: in front of guys. He's been looking good. He took
Speaker 5: almost every snap because Tuma is out. He took almost
Speaker 5: every snap with the first team, Yes, in the blue
Speaker 5: and white practice that they now call it. So this
Speaker 5: kid is looking good right now. I can't give you
Speaker 5: an update on our first round pick because he's not
Speaker 5: been in practice the last two or three days. But
Speaker 5: Tuma is out. It has been out with her back,
Speaker 5: and they just put Awesome rich is in a position
Speaker 5: where he can truly compete for that swing tackle job.
Speaker 5: Maybe a little bit more as time go on, because
Speaker 5: we don't know if the first round pick can put
Speaker 5: in enough days to show them unless they're just gonna
Speaker 5: slide in there, like when they took my job and
Speaker 5: gave it to everywhere. Hey, this is your job. You
Speaker 5: know that can't happen too because he is the first
Speaker 5: round pick man.
Speaker 4: So it's weird that you say that because I was
Speaker 4: going to bring that up. You mentioned on the broadcast
Speaker 4: during the Blue and White about Big Eie Eric Williams
Speaker 4: and how bringing in a character like Eric Williams, how
Speaker 4: it installed that mental toughness in you guys as a group,
Speaker 4: and that is something that everybody has been saying that
Speaker 4: the Cowboys has been missing that mental toughness. Who is
Speaker 4: a guy on this offensive line right now, Big Nate
Speaker 4: that you would say, look, is he is the cold
Speaker 4: be the big eu here today that we had back
Speaker 4: in the nineties.
Speaker 5: That's Tyler Smith. Big Eve was quiet, like like Tyler Smith.
Speaker 5: In his first year, he didn't say much. His second year,
Speaker 5: he took the job and not only did he say,
Speaker 5: come on, you influence, it's time to butt some heads.
Speaker 5: He was doing it. He was slinging people around. He
Speaker 5: was competing at a high level against one of the
Speaker 5: greatest players in Reggie White. So he not only started
Speaker 5: talking about it, he started exemplifying it. And once that happened,
Speaker 5: he started calling people out on fail like Dogby knew
Speaker 5: you let that dude? Do you like that? So the
Speaker 5: next day in practice, I had the mall, folks, dade,
Speaker 5: I had to step my game up, and Tyler can
Speaker 5: do this out here. If he choose to do that,
Speaker 5: just start challenging people because he is that type of dude.
Speaker 5: He is that guy.
Speaker 1: Nate Newton joining us right here on the players Lounge,
Speaker 1: brought you by Aristocrat Gaming. I'm new he Strutch along
Speaker 1: with heck Maherrison. Nate is out in ou Star, California,
Speaker 1: side of Dallas Cowboys training camp. Nate, take me back
Speaker 1: year to the first round pick. What do you need
Speaker 1: to see from? Basically this week is a preseason game
Speaker 1: against the Rams. Until that first game, which would allow
Speaker 1: you to feel comfortable with him starting against the Cleveland he.
Speaker 5: Just knew it. He'd just have to start stacking up
Speaker 5: good day after good day. It starts with the first
Speaker 5: rup like he did. He was stacking up days when
Speaker 5: they wasn't in past and even in the first day
Speaker 5: of pass he started stacking up that good day after
Speaker 5: good day technique, getting better technique, getting better using his hands,
Speaker 5: not leaning. He was and all of a sudden, he
Speaker 5: got six and we lost him. And so that's what
Speaker 5: he has to come back. If he can come back
Speaker 5: and be strong, because if you weak, I've dealt with
Speaker 5: the flu and I've had those old these that pandemic
Speaker 5: type symptoms. When you're weak, it's nothing you can do.
Speaker 5: People will miss ound the youth and you would get
Speaker 5: a bad read. The only way we get him back
Speaker 5: is get him back, ramp him up, get him back
Speaker 5: strong and feeling good like he was. I mean, at
Speaker 5: least feeling good mentally he was when he first hit camp,
Speaker 5: and then side building good day on good day, practice
Speaker 5: better practice, better practice, and you just have to go sometime.
Speaker 5: You have to put a guy in there to see
Speaker 5: where he's at. And the only way you're gonna get
Speaker 5: real football, and in today's football, is to play your guys.
Speaker 5: That is the only way we would actually know if
Speaker 5: he can ball out or not.
Speaker 1: Let me follow this up, Nate. If Tyler Giden is
Speaker 1: not ready to go and start and they're comfortable spells,
Speaker 1: you got Miles Garrett against Cleveland, right, would it be
Speaker 1: tuma or awesome? Richards as you're starting.
Speaker 5: We just we have to let this thing play out.
Speaker 5: We need. We don't want this thing to come down.
Speaker 5: Who is the healthiest guy, because right now, awesome Richards.
Speaker 5: If I had to start today, that that is who
Speaker 5: Nate knew would take a chance on. That's just me now.
Speaker 5: And I told hepta before the show when he called
Speaker 5: me earlier, I said, man, that's a big jump from
Speaker 5: no snaps after preseason last year to boom all the
Speaker 5: snaps in preseason if the other guys don't work out,
Speaker 5: to going into Miles Garrett. This is this is this
Speaker 5: is one of man. Every time I look at Miles Garrett, man,
Speaker 5: I wonder why Dallison try to rig something to get
Speaker 5: this dude in the draft many years ago. This dude
Speaker 5: is upbeat. He looked at he plays it and and
Speaker 5: then exhudes that through it. I've listened to a couple
Speaker 5: of interviews with him. Knew it. He rows his team up.
Speaker 5: He is that guy. He is that man.
Speaker 4: Well, speaking of on the other I'm going to go
Speaker 4: on the other side. We talked enough about our offensive lineman,
Speaker 4: but a guy that I'm excited to see get some
Speaker 4: action is the Marvin Overshawan and Nate, I just got
Speaker 4: to ask you about him and what you've seen from
Speaker 4: him down in Knox Nary.
Speaker 5: They got him on a snap count. This is one
Speaker 5: guy that if you can make that jump right back
Speaker 5: from major knee surgery or blown knee, he is that guy.
Speaker 5: I mean I never believed it with Gallup, I never
Speaker 5: leader was still, but I believe it with him. He
Speaker 5: just don't care. And if he has any doubt, he
Speaker 5: is willing to get on this practice field and just
Speaker 5: work itself through it.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 5: I mean, he's a I don't know how to put it.
Speaker 5: He's what confidence. If you look for the definition of confidence,
Speaker 5: they have probably a picture of him in any dictionary
Speaker 5: because he believes in all his art that he's did
Speaker 5: the work. He's put in the work, he's put on
Speaker 5: a few more pounds and you want to get in
Speaker 5: and he want to show the world that overshown his back.
Speaker 4: Now, Nate, you have played with and as friends with
Speaker 4: one of the best cornerbacks to ever grace the field
Speaker 4: and Deon Sanders. And I'm not putting this young man
Speaker 4: in the same breath as Dion, but he had himself
Speaker 4: one heck of a season last year. And that's darn Bland.
Speaker 4: What about darn Bland In camp right now. Man, is
Speaker 4: he a guy that looked like he's primed to have
Speaker 4: another great season for the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: Bruh.
Speaker 5: Every time they throw at him, he's either knocking it
Speaker 5: down picking it off. He's just barely missing getting there.
Speaker 5: He's playing with such great confidence right now, and he's
Speaker 5: inspiring all these other young bloods out there to get
Speaker 5: themself together. And this is how you play ball. And
Speaker 5: once again we need to see is how he's gonna
Speaker 5: respond because now he's gonna be challenged in some of
Speaker 5: these games to get the number one receiver, I take
Speaker 5: out the number two receivers because they believe it in
Speaker 5: this kid. I mean, I mean he's the rally man.
Speaker 5: I mean, I know who tray Von Diggs is, I
Speaker 5: know what he did before the ends, but he's a
Speaker 5: rally man right now. He's the rally man in the backfield.
Speaker 1: Nate, my last question for you then then Heckba will
Speaker 1: get in one. I'm old enough to have covered you
Speaker 1: back in the whole Saint Ed's days. Those practices were
Speaker 1: built upon the iron sharpening iron of the offensive and
Speaker 1: defensive lines. As much as people talk about the Triplets,
Speaker 1: the Cowboy Super Bowl teams were very good on the
Speaker 1: offensive defensive lines. Here. What are you seeing out of
Speaker 1: this defensive line right now that gives you any hope?
Speaker 1: And what is what are your concerns?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 5: The kid they drafted Machean Uhlan he he you can
Speaker 5: see he got something in his neck.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 5: I mean you know what that word I'm looking for
Speaker 5: just one? He got it in his neck. And you
Speaker 5: can see that he's willing to work hard. That y'all
Speaker 5: got excuse me, that's the Mojoe moment. But uh, this
Speaker 5: kid is willing to work hard, and that's forcing uh
Speaker 5: Shaun Sea and all these other guys get up off
Speaker 5: their rear and do what they have to do. You know,
Speaker 5: d Law gonna be d Law. How you doing, sir?
Speaker 5: And you know, uh the other kid gonna be himself Parsons.
Speaker 5: But we need for our inside guys. Uh, the first
Speaker 5: round pick from a year ago commntioned. We need him
Speaker 5: to pick it up. We need him to stacking good
Speaker 5: day on good day. He's a moody kid and and
Speaker 5: that and has no place. When you're a moodie kid
Speaker 5: on defense and you ain't know one hundred per lightside guy,
Speaker 5: you have no space. You have no time for that.
Speaker 5: He has to he has to realize that he has
Speaker 5: a purpose, and that purpose is to be the best
Speaker 5: run stop he can be in the middle of the
Speaker 5: Dallas Cowboys defense.
Speaker 4: All right, Nate, So we've been having a little discussion
Speaker 4: here about a player on offense, and I look, big fella,
Speaker 4: you know I trust it. If you say it now,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna run to the bank. I'm gonna cast that
Speaker 4: check if you say it. But people believe, Okay, Newly
Speaker 4: Struggs believes that Hunter.
Speaker 5: Lipken Lipki the fourth is the third down Yes, I
Speaker 5: told you that earlier, the third down guy. Right now,
Speaker 5: when Dak run up, when they say the drill, when
Speaker 5: they say third and home, when they stay second and long,
Speaker 5: Marna Lipt, you come running out there, man, looking like
Speaker 5: an old old beach killer. You know what I'm saying, So.
Speaker 1: Is your man.
Speaker 5: Until they find somebody better, and right now, I don't
Speaker 5: think Coach McCarthy looking for that somebody better.
Speaker 1: All right, Nate, gone, man, gone, watch practice, man, Ate,
Speaker 1: Thank you, sir, man joining the cr Nate, thank you
Speaker 1: very much. That is Nate Newton and I from Oxnard, California.
Speaker 1: Right here on the players line. I'm just gonna go
Speaker 1: to break right on that with what Nate said. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna let you sit and marinate. And what Nate
Speaker 1: Newton had to say about el boogie okay onnther left
Speaker 1: key from now on is el boogie. You got McCarthy
Speaker 1: out there saying, come on, l boogie, get on out here.
Speaker 1: I was ahead of the curve, now you got it.
Speaker 1: Three times super Bowl champion, a black college football Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer, backing up what I've said on the playoff.
Speaker 1: That's it, Nate, baby, you didne made my day.
Speaker 5: I made my day, all right.
Speaker 1: Now, God bless you baby. We're gonna take our break,
Speaker 1: our final break, and I'm like that man. Shit, just
Speaker 1: go ahead and just you know, marinate on what Nate
Speaker 1: Newton had to say. Yes, Yes you did, Yes you did.
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Speaker 1: All right, heck, Ma Harrison appreciate you. Appreciate you here
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Speaker 1: hold it down on newly scrudg and Nick Harris out
Speaker 1: at Cowboy training camp has tweeted that Jalen Brooks is
Speaker 1: now headed to the injury tent and that he tweeted
Speaker 1: that out three minutes ago. Royce Freeman eight minutes ago,
Speaker 1: already walking toward the injury tent. So two players hurt
Speaker 1: at practice already at Oxtar, California. So there you go.
Speaker 1: And no, by the way, Royce Freeman went from the tent.
Speaker 1: Now he's going to the locker room. So not good.
Speaker 4: All right, let's start this day all over again. You
Speaker 4: want to do the intro for the show again? God,
Speaker 4: that ain't how you want to start trading your camp.
Speaker 4: That is not the way you want to start practice.
Speaker 4: Right there, you.
Speaker 1: Spoke about the Rams game. We were just doing the
Speaker 1: pre show. What about it? Like, who's gonna play? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean this is this is now With the way
Speaker 1: things are going here, you can't risk guys to injury
Speaker 1: in the game. You just really can't. So we'll see,
Speaker 1: we'll see. Now there's certain guys who need to play,
Speaker 1: like Mozzie Smith, he needs to play the guys that
Speaker 1: need to get out there. So you would ask after
Speaker 1: our first break about Dak Prescott and and people so
Speaker 1: wanting to base his pay off playoff success, and that's
Speaker 1: just not how it works. It's never been that way
Speaker 1: for quarterbacks. I mean, for years, Matthew Stafford was one
Speaker 1: of the highest paid guys around here, and matt didn't
Speaker 1: have any playoff success. But until he got to the
Speaker 1: Rams that he got it. Kirk Cousins made a living
Speaker 1: without playoff success. It's cashing major checks. Here's a guy
Speaker 1: coming off an Achilles and he got paid again. So
Speaker 1: I just find it very interesting that there's this big
Speaker 1: hole bar of what Dak Prescott has to prove and
Speaker 1: do when other people who do not have the resume
Speaker 1: of Dak Prescott have not gone through it year two
Speaker 1: in a Mike McCarthy offense in which he led the
Speaker 1: league in touchdown passes. I don't know exactly what else
Speaker 1: you want or need to see. The frustrating part if
Speaker 1: you were Dak Prescott and you're in the Dak camp
Speaker 1: is that he continues to have to go through this
Speaker 1: With the Cowboys. Troyman never had to do this. No
Speaker 1: Tony Romo never had to go through this type of
Speaker 1: doubt from the owner. Those two guys were always written,
Speaker 1: were had checks. And now I'm kind of going back
Speaker 1: and remember exactly what you said. Here's why I think
Speaker 1: Dak does get paid here. Yes, I was working here
Speaker 1: when Troy Aikman retired and they were lost in the woods.
Speaker 1: Tony Banks, Quincy Cardinal, Oh oh oh, then you went
Speaker 1: to Clint Sterners.
Speaker 4: You could, hey, at any moment, don't make me ride
Speaker 4: that train, which I get it.
Speaker 1: We were bad at the quarterback position for a long time.
Speaker 1: And and Jerry at eighty one years old does not
Speaker 1: have a solution unless Trey Lance comes out here someday
Speaker 1: and balls out like crazy. Your reaction and other people's
Speaker 1: reaction is this, ain't it?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 1: In my mind, Dak Prescott has the leverage and waiting
Speaker 1: around is not going to help you. The prices keep
Speaker 1: going up. There is no liquidation market on franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1: There's no buy one, get one free of seventy percent
Speaker 1: off of hometown. That Tom Brady disc count stuff is gone.
Speaker 1: People aren't doing that, so you might as well get
Speaker 1: it done. If he does not have this quarterback next year.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody is very confident in what's behind
Speaker 1: door number two. There are no quarterbacks on the roster
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty five. Hecna, no Lance Rush Prescott. There's
Speaker 1: nothing there. And it's not like we're sitting up here
Speaker 1: talking about there's a whole bunch of quarterbacks that are
Speaker 1: ready to go in this draft, and you don't even
Speaker 1: know where you're going to be right now to secure
Speaker 1: one of those quarterbacks.
Speaker 4: Now, look, you've taken finance classes. You know leverages everything
Speaker 4: in a negotiation, and right now it looks like Dak
Speaker 4: has all the leverage. But he who controls the money
Speaker 4: controls the policy, and Jerry is going to control what
Speaker 4: happens next with Dak's contract.
Speaker 1: I don't I agree with you.
Speaker 4: Even going back to those early years that Dak was
Speaker 4: coming to contract negotiations, they just opted to sign Zeke
Speaker 4: instead of signing Dak. The mo of the front office
Speaker 4: has been to kick the can down the road until okay,
Speaker 4: we are just sure that we're sure that this is
Speaker 4: our guy. And to me, look for all those people
Speaker 4: that have an opinion about Dak that says, look, he
Speaker 4: needs to win a Super Bowl or at least get
Speaker 4: this team to the NFC Championship. I'm with you on that.
Speaker 4: You don't judge these other guys based off of that.
Speaker 4: So it's really unfair in nature to judge Dak on that.
Speaker 4: But you understand here the Dallas Cowboys, it's going to
Speaker 4: go that way. And if they reset the market with
Speaker 4: Dak and you're not able to resign other superstars to blame,
Speaker 4: the fingers are going to be pointed right back at
Speaker 4: him if he doesn't get this team to that point.
Speaker 1: When we knew when he signed the contract there would
Speaker 1: be a market reset, and it was. We saw it
Speaker 1: with Kyler Murray right out of the gate. It's going
Speaker 1: to be keep getting reset. That's just the nature of
Speaker 1: this position. Whatever he signs, it will be reset again.
Speaker 1: So just jump in there. Honestly, in my opinion, when
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts got paid, they should have paid him to automatically.
Speaker 1: You knew where it was going, right, knew where it
Speaker 1: was going the same thing with these receivers. You know,
Speaker 1: once A J. Brown got paid, you know, signed CD lame.
Speaker 1: I don't know why they keep waiting. Obviously they have money.
Speaker 1: Jerry's gonna sign a check, but it is what it is.
Speaker 1: Hey man, this was fun time survey. We will uh,
Speaker 1: we'll do it again next week. Look, Cowboys first preseason
Speaker 1: game against the Dams. I know that I'll be interested
Speaker 1: to see what the offensive line is looking like. Who's healthy?
Speaker 1: You got to get Tyler got out here to get
Speaker 1: some reps, all right. Heck man, good talking to me,
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