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Speaker 1: Hey, this Sanny and Samantha and welcome to Stephane. Never

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Speaker 1: told your protection of iheartradios how stuff works. So today

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Speaker 1: we'd come to you from back from a break, a

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Speaker 1: brief break. I guess, well, it feels like we did,

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Speaker 1: although we didn't. We had a holiday that we didn't

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Speaker 1: really celebrate what that was. Yes, the running early in

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Speaker 1: the morning does not make it a holiday to me. No.

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Speaker 1: I actually started doing that to get out of family alication.

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Speaker 1: You know what I did that for Thanksgiving? I did

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Speaker 1: a half marathon just so I could not have to

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Speaker 1: go to Thanksgiving Day dinner. I have considered it. Yes, um,

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Speaker 1: and I love thanks Giving. I love the food. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I love the first half, and I love I love

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Speaker 1: some of the people. Um. Well, I liked it more

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Speaker 1: when my mom, unfortunately, it was like I'm done with this,

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Speaker 1: which good for her, And then we started having weird

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Speaker 1: like lasagna dishes and meatloaf and or just sandwiches. Someone

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Speaker 1: for mom, you know. But at the same time that me,

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Speaker 1: well corn bread, but you know, the good stuffs, the

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Speaker 1: l stuffs. I don't make note of this. I won't

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Speaker 1: make note of this. UM. And you were feeling a

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Speaker 1: bit under the weather. I feel like I'm dying, but

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Speaker 1: you're I'm bravely. I'm here. I've pretty much diagnosed ourself

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Speaker 1: with everything through a weather and d so you know, dying,

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Speaker 1: That's what it said to me. It's just a big

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Speaker 1: gold because you're like, oh, you're all older than thirty five.

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Speaker 1: That means you are dead. Great, well, I look forward

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Speaker 1: to that. UM. But today we are talking about quote

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Speaker 1: unquote normal normal, Yes, when it comes to body types

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Speaker 1: and women. And this was a request from a listener.

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Speaker 1: Why but I think we had a few conversations about, um,

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Speaker 1: and then we had a rider coal man and with

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Speaker 1: what about me? I'm considered normal in between? And I

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Speaker 1: haven't heard much And I was like, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I'm with you, I've not heard too much either, No, no,

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Speaker 1: are confident in their bodies, especially in bodies that don't

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Speaker 1: we have been fed so long that we are constantly

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Speaker 1: bombarded with that's awesome, that's amazing. Yes, can you please

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Speaker 1: we were to get into, um, some of our own

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Speaker 1: insecurities and we don't want to project that onto other people.

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Speaker 1: I do think a lot of people can relate, but

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Speaker 1: that wasn't healthy. But it's just we're told so much

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Speaker 1: which is a very specific, narrow thing, it can really

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Speaker 1: become an unhealthy thing that you're pursuing that you can't achieve. Right.

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Speaker 1: And once again, as we talk more and more, you're

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Speaker 1: going to hear is talking about examples of ourselves, what

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Speaker 1: through essentially, and it's not necessarily to put out there

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Speaker 1: the states to be broken exactly because we I mean,

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Speaker 1: in a wonderful world, we would be comfortable in our

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Speaker 1: anyone out there who is comfortable in your own skin,

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Speaker 1: I aspire to be you, truly, like I work on

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Speaker 1: it every day. And I know it's not easy for

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Speaker 1: to diagnosing somebody, and also just to verify that normal

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Speaker 1: And I think that normal can be and has been

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Speaker 1: a way to get people to to conform. If we

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Speaker 1: what does this mean? What does society see as normal

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Speaker 1: for the most part, there was more accessibility for quote

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Speaker 1: You are so cool? Okay, So we wanted to go

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Speaker 1: over kind of what is going on in this realm

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Speaker 1: of normal body type. The average American woman is five

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Speaker 1: think it was called average Barbie. That was the name

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Speaker 1: to celebrate that, but not necessarily. We don't see society,

427
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Speaker 1: society moving without the industry moving with that unless you're Nike, which, hey,

428
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: good job Nike. You know I'm talking about right that

429
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Speaker 1: the sports promise, no, the whole um, whole athletic give

430
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 1: and they're they're starting to promote more more um plus

431
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 1: size or average size now we can say um people

432
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: in there. And there's been this huge controversy back and

433
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 1: forth with the fat shaming about why is Nike public

434
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 1: you know, celebrating this, publishing this, and everybody's like, wait,

435
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 1: what if they're trying to if people are plus size

436
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: who you think are bigger and they're doing more and

437
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 1: more exercise, but why is that a bad thing? Yeah? Yeah,

438
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: that's the whole People are so judgmental when it comes

439
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 1: to weights, and you know what, for me, when I exercise,

440
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: if I have cute clothes on, it motivates me more.

441
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 1: Having the right gear to do that type of exercise,

442
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: I'm more motivated to do it. Yeah, And just like

443
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: the comfort of it. If you're uncomfortable because something doesn't

444
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: fit you, well, I will say yeah. For the longest time,

445
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: I would not exercise because I was scared of being

446
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: seen at a gym doing something. Yeah. Yeah. I I

447
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: was the same way, and I know most of my

448
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: female friends were the same way. Because you feel like

449
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: you're being judged right, and you probably and you probably

450
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: are no matter what, And so you want something that

451
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: you feel good in, like an armor, right, so you

452
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: can shrug that all right? Screw you haters. The official

453
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: or screw you haters of five major brands examines with

454
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 1: a total of five hundred brands um. Within those so

455
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 1: like major clothing lines undred brands, only two of the

456
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Speaker 1: clothing was plus size. Yeah. In an article from a

457
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Speaker 1: fast company, Alexandra Waldman of Women's Where Daily said, if

458
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Speaker 1: we are still talking about a plus size market ten

459
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 1: years from now, we have failed. And from what I read,

460
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: there are no clothes are very very little clothes designed

461
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 1: specifically for the average sized woman. There are plus size

462
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 1: clothes and then clothes designed with skinny women in mind

463
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 1: that are then scaled up and so that that means

464
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 1: the waist to breast ratio and the waist to hip

465
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Speaker 1: ratio don't change. They are eysed up, but they do

466
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Speaker 1: in like the human body. Right, and those that are

467
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 1: appropriately sized up are more expensive. Right. Women's Wear Daily

468
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 1: calls sizes ten to sixteen the black hole. Too thin

469
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 1: for plus size, too big for regular. Right. If you

470
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: think about the whole um modeling industry, Top Model. I

471
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: used to watch that way back when, and that was

472
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: a lot of the conversation. Like one of the big

473
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 1: things is if you came in the plus size, great,

474
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 1: but if you started losing weight, they started criticizing you

475
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 1: left and right. I remember watching a couple of miles.

476
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: They were like, either you need to lose another fifty

477
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: pounds or you need to keep that extra ten fifteen

478
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 1: pounds that you're losing. And it was shaming them in

479
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: front of a panel like you're not fat enough again

480
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: once again, and you're being too normal and no one

481
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: wants to see normal. Oh that gives me anxiety, right, right,

482
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: And just watching that you're like, what is happening? And

483
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: then then being accepted as that's okay to say that,

484
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: and people accepted it, and I was like, this is

485
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: a competition, and you're like, wait, but why how does

486
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: this make sense? Right? Man? That hurt my heart. I know.

487
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: Right when it comes to formal clothes, finding something that

488
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: fits and looks well, it's an issue onto itself. I

489
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: read a lot of that, Um yeah, problem dress shopping

490
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: with such a nightmare. Bridesmaid shopping. Yeah, I've been. I

491
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: will say I've been in like ten to fifteen weddings.

492
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: It's really bad. Too many friends. I think they like

493
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: to torture me because I've refused. Since then, I'm like,

494
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Speaker 1: I will not be a bridesmaid. Don't ask me if

495
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: you want me to be friends with you, don't ask

496
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: me again. I wasn't gonna be really fun and I

497
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: get to be really, really really in a fun place

498
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: and I don't have to wear anything constricting. Or it's

499
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: been lots of money then maybe because I spent a

500
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: lot of money my early after college years on bridesmaid Yes, anyway,

501
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: but if you look at all of that, I remember

502
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: going being compared to because I would say I'm five

503
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: four and I'm definitely on the thicker side. Um. And

504
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: I've always been on the thicker side on the girl

505
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: with a fast as I said, yes all day, um.

506
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: But like watching being in the same room with a

507
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: person who was a size two or three and having

508
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: to try the same dress on as though that is

509
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: one of the most demoralizing moment and everybody's like it

510
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: looks so nice, Oh my Goshly, and you know, they're like,

511
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: you get in your head, like you're allowing to me.

512
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: You're making me look like I'm in a potato sack,

513
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: and I hate you. But that's the thing, I mean,

514
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: even with all of that, in comparison to when you

515
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: look at everyone else and you're standing next to everyone

516
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: whilse in the same damn dress. Yeah, that's a good point.

517
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: I hadn't thought about that, because of course it's not

518
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: going to fit everyone the same. That's a good point, Ugly.

519
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: I don't like you. You're the vague you out there.

520
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: He might write her to apprise me thing. Uh. And

521
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: then there's the problem with a sense to waste, which

522
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: most clothes cinch where the natural waste is, which is

523
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: typically determined by where that would fall on a skinny person,

524
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: and when you are not a skinny person, this can

525
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: lead to some very unflattering and ill flitting clothes. And

526
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: I will say for me, um, very difficult to zip

527
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: as a single lady. The single lady struggle of a dress.

528
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: I told you about the Amazon thing. I put it

529
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: on my birthday wishes, the Amazon gadget that helps us

530
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: up your own dress. And also that's the one thing

531
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: about clipping your bracelet or your jewelry. You knew that

532
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: I did. I did. I saw that when I was

533
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: it came up as like customers. Also, hey, look, thanks

534
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: technology for allowing me to be single, for allowing me

535
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: to do more than I ever thought possible. Um. And

536
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: then this is something I've heard from a lot of

537
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: my my friends. The bikini are not bikini problem when

538
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,959
Speaker 1: it comes to swimwear. Uh. And they told me if

539
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,959
Speaker 1: you wear one piece that they feel like people assume

540
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: it's because yourself conscious, which you might be, but you

541
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: also might prefer the comfort and not having to worry

542
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: about your breasts, which might be on the bigger side

543
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: spilling out. And I have had one my band bus

544
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: that not one, but two amusement parks on a bikini,

545
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: so I understand the words, oh gosh, it was not good.

546
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: One of them got sucked in like it was a

547
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: water slide and right at the bottom of the top

548
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: cuts sucked out the day What that is how to

549
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: go literally like a nerd comedy from the nineteen eight

550
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: or they actually do that on purpose with the hot girls.

551
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: But it's pretty much discussing like I'm sure always trying

552
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: to do that essentially, I mean, yeah, they're trying to

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00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: do that, um and yeah, this whole this isn't even

554
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: mentioning the difficulty of finding something that fits um or

555
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: if you go the bikini route, two pieces that fit,

556
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: especially when those pieces are sold together as one set

557
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: in your body might not work. I do appreciate the

558
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: new mix and match idea that has been fantastic, and

559
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: with that we can actually add this stigma of wearing

560
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: too much on the beach if you start thinking about

561
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: the bark up bating suit or the barkini. Heidazaniti was

562
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: credited with inventing the barkini in two thousand four and

563
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: was featured this year on Sports illustraated with a lot

564
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: of criticism and backlash and even with banned by many

565
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: public areas, which is so absurd. So and and we

566
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: already know there's been so many videos, YouTube videos and

567
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: um Facebook videos of people being scrutinized and criticized and

568
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: even shamed off a beach for having this on. It's

569
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: kind of like, what is this upsturdy to to the

570
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: Islamic culture? This is normal, It's not a bad thing.

571
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: How can it be too little or too much? What

572
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: is wrong with you? We cannot twin cannot win UM.

573
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: In modeling, women in the invisible eight to twelve sized

574
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: ranger called ultra and female consumer and that range are

575
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: called rat queens because they are just expected to buy

576
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: clothes even though they rarely see their size represented in

577
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: fashion shows or marketing materials. And a good portion of

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00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: design schools don't even have mannequins outside of sample sizes

579
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: for their students to learn to design for. So not

580
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: a lot of that is great, UM, but we do

581
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: we do have some more for you, But first we

582
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: have one more quick break for word from our sponsor,

583
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: and we're back, Thank you, sponsor. And so one of

584
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: the things we wanted to touch on is this is

585
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: kind of hard to talk about without offending people are

586
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: gonna make some people and it's gonna be all about

587
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: the fact that we're not necessarily giving an opinion. But

588
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: as much as like these are some of the conversations

589
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: that are had, and it's it's too all. It's two

590
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: thousand nineteen at least the fact we have to be

591
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: honest about the fact that it is a conversation and

592
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: then it affects us on a daily light a basis. Yeah. Yeah,

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00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: and um, like we mentioned earlier, a lot of people

594
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: do feel that they there's some morality or that they

595
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 1: can judge people around weight, right, and it goes both ways. Yeah,

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00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 1: and I think um. One of the things that we

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00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: want to talk about was also about the b m I,

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00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: which is the body mass index and which has been

599
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: used a little more than just your typical weight skilled

600
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: type of thing. But as we were researching in and

601
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: as many people already know, the idea of the simple

602
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: b m I is nice enough, but actually just a

603
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 1: quick assessment and it doesn't tell the whole story. It

604
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: doesn't look at the whole picture, such as fat versus muscle.

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00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: For example, UM elderly may show a normal b m I,

606
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 1: but because the lack of body muscle or body mass,

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00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: it actually is an inaccurate assessment in comparison to what's

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00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: going on with our body. A lot of factors outside

609
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: the simple numbers should also be noted, such as body

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00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 1: type or age, and even ethnicity can come into play

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00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: when you come into the research. I mean, as an

612
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: Asian person, apparently I may have a little more in

613
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: longevity than a white person. Sorry any but again, this

614
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: is a lot of assumptions and factors and just the

615
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: generalization and overall and statistics. So once it can when

616
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: we come and talk about statistics, it doesn't always come

617
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: obviously to the individual person, so that should be noted

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00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: as well. And according to the researchers, people who are

619
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: a bit overweight have higher survival rates. I'm gonna live forever,

620
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: just say so. Even research can't can't really pinpoint what

621
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: normal is without measurements, without all the different factors for

622
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: the individual person. So remember that if you're going because

623
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: I know people who go work out have personal trainers

624
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: do all this b and my things. Even though they

625
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: may have training and certifications, they don't necessarily know what

626
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: is best in your body. Yeah, Bobby's bodies are complicated

627
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: that are very, very very complicated. Yeah, and we wanted

628
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: to touch on something that I think we both struggled with,

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00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: probably a lot of us to have struggled with. Um

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00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: is the difficulty around congratulating someone for losing weight right,

631
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 1: because well, I mean, for one thing, you're you might

632
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: not be sure why they lost the weight, right, It

633
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: could have been it could be an illness or something. Um.

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00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: So there's that, but it comes up a lot for

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00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: us because we get asked for sponsorships around nutrition and exercise,

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00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: and typical language used around women doing that is basically right.

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00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: It's so tricky to have a conversation about body without

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00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: the double edged sort of being encouraging as well as damaging.

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Speaker 1: And I think for me, I have played the weight

640
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: game all of my life. I've been in a lot

641
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: of hard work of exercising and being overly conscious of

642
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: food choices and losing weight and feeling proud of that.

643
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: But I'm also the one to quickly gain it back

644
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 1: and feel the shame of trying to cover it up

645
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: and not notice the faces of people who have been

646
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: previously complimenting me to the obvious change in conversation. And

647
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: I would say when I had a very massive weight

648
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: loss was due to my depression and anxiety and medication,

649
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 1: and right now there are things happening with that body.

650
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: I'm starting to think maybe there's styroid issues or whatever

651
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: that I'm like, I'm getting concerned because it's so abnormal.

652
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 1: But this is the last few years I've shown a

653
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: lot of like fluctuation for me. So there's this whole

654
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: shame factor as well as feeling encouraged because I do

655
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: work hard to maintain Now. When I was a lot younger,

656
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: I was a lot heavier UM, and I also worked

657
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: in a really high stress field, so that alone added

658
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 1: even more. And we know that stress can it's stress

659
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: and lack of sleep. All of that does UM add

660
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: to weight fluctuation as well as health problems just in

661
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 1: general health problems, But there are so many things to

662
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: this that I've had friends who have worked really, really

663
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,760
Speaker 1: hard to become healthier because they were either pre diabetic

664
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: or a hard issues. As we're talking about UM, that

665
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: included changing their body type and also their confidence. So

666
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: at the same time, for those who I know really well,

667
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: they asked to be encouraged to continue that. Again, we

668
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: talked about the fact that it is a fine line.

669
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: And also it's none of your damn business what their

670
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: body looks like. That's the other part. How do you

671
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: get back the old trope of this is what you

672
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 1: should look like, So we should complement to encourage versus

673
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: just leave it be. Yeah. But at the same time,

674
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: if someone feels like things such as eating programs may

675
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: be helpful, how are we to say not to do that? Yeah?

676
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: But again it is tricky because it's the autonomy of

677
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: individual bodies and that's what we fight for, right, But

678
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 1: how do we also encourage health? Yeah, because we want

679
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: to celebrate all body types and promote body positivity. We

680
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: want to support folks who want to build healthy habits,

681
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: who want to be healthier for themselves. And there can

682
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: be attention there because there are genetics involved, their societal

683
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: pressures involved, there's billions of dollars in the diet and

684
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: fitness industry involved. So it's hard. And I can say

685
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: personally for me, I have a friend who has lost

686
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: a lot of weight and I don't think she's done

687
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: it healthily. And it's just hard because we're so programmed

688
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: to think thinner is better, You've done a good job,

689
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: and not healthier is better, and so I don't know.

690
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: I'm having a really hard time handling what I should

691
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: say to her, and you have you and I have

692
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: to how many conversations about how we want to represent

693
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 1: ourselves and be transparent as well as maintained balance. And

694
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: I think it's difficult because we're all learning to love

695
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: who we are and how we are at the same time,

696
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: we want to make sure we have a balance between

697
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: that and honesty. And for me, sometimes loving myself does

698
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 1: not necessarily include ah food related things and or exercise

699
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: relating things like I know that there's something wrong with

700
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: me if I haven't exercise in over a week, and

701
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: I mean along the lines of depression because a part

702
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 1: of my motivation and part of my stress relieve is

703
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 1: because of this. And also it's a part of my

704
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: social outing. I know that's really odd, but I get

705
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: down sometimes and I'm really awkward, and I'm an introvert

706
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: to the core, Like I'm really great when I have

707
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: to be on, but if I don't shut off, I

708
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: may just crumble and with her and die. This has

709
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: been the theme today. You're welcome, um, But the fact

710
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: is I get to go out and meet new people

711
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 1: starting new relationships through this different types of activities because

712
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: I love doing. Like I've talked about Cardio jam, I've

713
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: made some really good friends just dancing it out essentially.

714
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: Yeah you heard me dancing it out hip popping in

715
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: out with my crew over you know, with the Marco

716
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: and yeah, he's he's he's the instructor, he's my boy.

717
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: But like, we do a lot of things and they

718
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: know me to the point that if I'm not there

719
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: for what we're like, are you okay? And that's a

720
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 1: legitimate question, not because I'm not exercised, not because I'm

721
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: not you know whatever out there sweating, but because for

722
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 1: me this is an outlet. But again, I know you

723
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: have talked about having too much of that, and that

724
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: is like, how do we become make sure that we

725
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 1: are putting on a healthy perspective on both ways because

726
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: I also can't orate over drink like one of my

727
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 1: bad habits can be when I get really rushed. When

728
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 1: I was starting out at de Facts, I was eating

729
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: a lot of fast food. Believe me, that was not

730
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 1: helping me at all. It did not help my sleep habits,

731
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: It did not help my heart habit. You know, all

732
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: of that and that's kind of cost for concern as well.

733
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: I'm the easy out. So where is that balance? Yeah, yeah,

734
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: it's it's honestly very difficult, I think because you don't

735
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 1: want to enable bad habits and other people. Um, it's

736
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: just it's really tough. And another thing we did want

737
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: to touch on briefly is something that we've kind of

738
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: mentioned is this moral judgment people feel entitled to make

739
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: around people's weight. Um that maybe you're lazy or disgusting

740
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: our are even the other way for for skinny people,

741
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: like maybe you don't eat at all. Yeah, just these

742
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: kind of like snap judgments that we feel okay with

743
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: making a bound around usually in women's bodies, but everybody, Um,

744
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be eating that. Um. Not only does that

745
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: directly impact self confidence for women that can reflect that

746
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 1: lack of self confidence can reflect in their clothing choices

747
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: like it did for Samantha and I, which can affect

748
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 1: how you are perceived professionally, like we talked about and

749
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 1: the make a portion of our routine episode. Um. I

750
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: think that also goes for the conversations not even directed

751
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: at us. I remember just hearing people who have perceived

752
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: to be skinnier, prettier, um in much better shape than

753
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: I am, talking about how much they need to change

754
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: or need to lose more. And I took that as

755
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: a judgment about me, and I'm thinking, oh my god,

756
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: if they think they're skinny, they think they think they're fat,

757
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: how do they look at me, who is at least

758
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: twice you're with? And I'm also thinking that with kids.

759
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: And I know we've talked about this a lot, and

760
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: I know there's a plenty of studies out there. How

761
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: we talk about watch your conversations and watch what you're

762
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: talking and how you're talking to your teens, your adolescents,

763
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: because you're teaching them. A happen as a nanny when

764
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: I was talking to my the mother of the kids

765
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: that are taken care of, she is this beautiful woman

766
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: in like amazingly fit, all of these things, had babies

767
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 1: and you would never know all of these things continually

768
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 1: talking about diet, contin you we're talking about not being

769
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: able to eat this continually county calories and her tin

770
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: At that time, I think eight year old was watching

771
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: her and doing the same thing and shaming her brothers

772
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: to try to make them like stop eating or reading

773
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: less and all of these things that are even talking

774
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: about their gut and all of these things. And I'm

775
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 1: thinking this is you have to be careful. And don't

776
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,959
Speaker 1: get me wrong, the mother never said anything to the kids.

777
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: It wasn't like she was like, you're fat, don't do this,

778
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: don't do that. It was just what they were hearing

779
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 1: from the mother, and who obviously is very very healthy,

780
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: going overboard in that level, and I think that's part

781
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: of the problem we have, and now it's just the

782
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: overall generalized conversations that we have. It pollutes everything around them.

783
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: So you have to be super careful. And I never

784
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: for me sometimes I've talked with um many people, many women.

785
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: We talked about counting calories, that it can be healthy

786
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,919
Speaker 1: to one extent, but really really really like over the top.

787
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: And I get that way. I get competitive about I

788
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: can't eat this, I can't I can't this. But you

789
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: have have to have a balance. So I know you

790
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: were talking about the absolutely one of the apps that

791
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: you use actually told you you're not eating enough. Yeah,

792
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: it was like, I think it's three days go buying

793
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: you don't eat enough. It said like, well, we won't

794
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: let you add stuff to it anymore until you start eating.

795
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 1: You should be meeting this at least this many, which

796
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: is a good thing, which I really do appreciate because

797
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: that doesn't happen enough, and that gives a note sense

798
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: of moments that you gets kind of scared. I believe

799
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: that's wy Weight Watchers changed over to their point system

800
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: because people were counting too much with that it was

801
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: kind of affecting them, and then it took off some

802
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: points for average things like fruit and vegetables, because those

803
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: are things that are necessary and shouldn't be accounted against you.

804
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 1: I believe. Yeah, not that I'm We're not We're not

805
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: sponsored by them, but I just I'm knowing like people,

806
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: I think things the industry slowly changing, not enough, obviously

807
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 1: not enough, but kind of taking that out of okay,

808
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: we need to learn about being healthy versus skinny. And

809
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: again this goes back to why are we talking about normal?

810
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: This is your normal. If you are healthy, happy, healthy,

811
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 1: and everything is good to go, that's normal. That's great.

812
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: And I think we talked about how the whole natural look.

813
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 1: That's also different from everyone else as well, and that

814
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: shouldn't be judged based on anybody else's judgment. And this

815
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: whole basis of this is what you need to be

816
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: and this is not what we could expect. It should

817
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 1: be thrown out the window because that's the whole perspective

818
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: in ethnicity, in body type and gender, all of those

819
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,320
Speaker 1: things should be out that window because the normal is

820
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 1: not normal anymore. And we which kind of talked about

821
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: and trauma alone and the effects of trauma, and it

822
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: can come out into these specific things in fielding, like

823
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: you have to build up to a certain point of

824
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: your body, a certain point of um sizes or looks

825
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: or whatever to justify or try to cover up past humiliations,

826
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:02,280
Speaker 1: past hurts, past abuse is and that's kind of the problem,

827
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: is that that the reason there is no norm is

828
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:11,720
Speaker 1: nobody has the same past. Yeah, Um, And I hope

829
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: that we'll see more, um good representations of all body

830
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: types and the industry will make more and I hope

831
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: that more clothing that fits well looks well is designed

832
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:30,240
Speaker 1: specifically for women in this whats so long been quote

833
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: a black hole. And um, I hope that for some

834
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: people listening, maybe you realize you're a lot less alone

835
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: than you thought you were, and just kind of wrap

836
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: it all up once again, there are people who actually

837
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: are out there showing and being good. Examples such as

838
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: media Killing Beyonce, Rihanna, Jamila, you did it, I don't, Jamila,

839
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: Jamilla Jamil. Those people are amazing and calling out the

840
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: stereotypes and the negativity and the Hollywood standards and media standards,

841
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: and that's fantastic. And I think with a lot of

842
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: our own insecurities that we just talked about, I just

843
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: I had to remembered times where I heard women or

844
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: people who actually love themselves actually talked about how they

845
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 1: feel good about their hair, they're feeling good about their outfit.

846
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: And my first thought was because seems kind of conceited,

847
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: But that's kind of a programmed idea in us that

848
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: we have to be humble, and being humble means being

849
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: really really hard on ourselves, and that's absurd. And for

850
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: those who got it, yeah girl, yeah, show it. You

851
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: got that booty, Yeah, show that thing off, you've got

852
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 1: the hair, tossed that up, show everybody what you've got,

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Speaker 1: for many of us, when we have a good day,

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Speaker 1: treat yourself and go ahead and love yourself and please

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Speaker 1: need to take a selfie, go for it. Proud of you.

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Speaker 1: Teach me the ways. Yeah, I mean that is one

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Speaker 1: me something that you like about yourself today. I love

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Speaker 1: There you go. Yes, that brings us to the end

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Speaker 1: of this episode. Um, we would love to hear hear

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Speaker 1: from people about your your woes or triumphs when it

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Speaker 1: comes to clothing and shopping. Um. You can email us

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Speaker 1: and on Instagram at Stuff I've Never Told You. Thanks

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Speaker 1: as always to our super producer Andrew Howard and July Andrews.

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