WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Podcast: Future Is Ours

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, gain everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals Booth Podcast. The future is us to see. Addition,

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<v Speaker 1>as I talked to Sports Illustrated senior writer Connor Orr

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<v Speaker 1>about his bold predictions that the Bengals will win the

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<v Speaker 1>Super Bowl this year with MVP quarterback Joe Burrow. Plus,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll talk to rookie receiver Charlie Jones about the origin

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<v Speaker 1>of his Chuck Sizzle nickname, and then I'll introduce you

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<v Speaker 1>to an unsung hero in turning the Bengals into Super

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<v Speaker 1>Bowl contenders, strengthen conditioning coach Joey Bose. The Bengals Booth

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<v Speaker 1>since the Apple TV local radio option. Apple TV became

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<v Speaker 1>the primary home of Major League Soccer this year. Every

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<v Speaker 1>next decade, and Apple TV has added a feature that

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<v Speaker 1>I love for obvious reasons. You have the option to

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<v Speaker 1>and then you choose whether you want the TV announcers

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<v Speaker 1>or the home team's radio announcers. So, for everybody who

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<v Speaker 1>has told me over the years that they would love

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<v Speaker 1>here's hoping that Apple TV has pioneered a feature in

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<v Speaker 1>its coverage of soccer that will soon make its way

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<v Speaker 1>to the NFL. Now, let's get to my first guest.

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<v Speaker 1>This week, Connor Or from Sports Illustrated came out with

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<v Speaker 1>a list of one hundred bold predictions for the upcoming

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<v Speaker 1>NFL season. Four of the one hundred involved the Bengals,

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<v Speaker 1>including his pick of Cincinnati over San Francisco to win

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<v Speaker 1>the Super Bowl. Connor, you have come out with one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred bold predictions for the upcoming NFL season. Some are

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<v Speaker 1>tongue in cheek, most of them are pretty serious. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>start with number one, The Bengals will defeat the forty

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<v Speaker 1>nine ers in Super Bowl fifty eight. How did you

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<v Speaker 1>land on Cincinnati and San Francisco making it and then

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<v Speaker 1>Cincinnati winning the Lombardi So I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think these two teams' best best in body. This trend

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<v Speaker 2>that I've been seeing in not just football, but in

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<v Speaker 2>sports as a whole, and that is, if you're aligned

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<v Speaker 2>with organizationally, with your coaching staff, with your scouting staff,

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<v Speaker 2>with your training staff, with everything, you tend to have

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<v Speaker 2>a hidden depth or a hidden quality of talent that

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<v Speaker 2>is just better than other people. And I think Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 2>and San Francisco are two teams that to me are

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<v Speaker 2>sort of your ideal, ideally set up organizations, right, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>especially with the Bengals. You know everyone will make fun of, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>they only had X number of scouts a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>years ago, right, But with that creates an intimacy that

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't exist in other departments between your scouting staff and

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<v Speaker 2>your coaching staff. And I can confidently say that, let's

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<v Speaker 2>see they get hit with a big wave of injuries,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that they have better players that we don't

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<v Speaker 2>know about than other teams would have in similar situations,

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<v Speaker 2>if that makes sense. And forty nine ers similarly, right,

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<v Speaker 2>they blow you away with their depth and there you

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<v Speaker 2>know their caliber of player from one to fifty two,

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<v Speaker 2>And so I think through the rigors of a season

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<v Speaker 2>that ends up meaning a great deal.

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<v Speaker 1>What did you think of the Bengals' free agent moves

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<v Speaker 1>excuse me, specifically landing Orlando Brown junior and then their

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<v Speaker 1>draft class led by Miles Murphy.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it has you know, to me, it's funny

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<v Speaker 2>right where you know it takes time for an organization

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<v Speaker 2>to shake whatever you want to call it. You know

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<v Speaker 2>that automatic thought that people have that comes with it,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know people don't consider the fact that since

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<v Speaker 2>Zach Taylor's been there, I think they've been a top

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<v Speaker 2>five free agents spending team almost every season, and the

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<v Speaker 2>commitment with which they've stood behind Burrow and done moves

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<v Speaker 2>I think specifically to be like, we're here to make

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<v Speaker 2>your life easier. It's just different, you know, and you

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<v Speaker 2>know you see that that's how the good franchises are

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<v Speaker 2>doing it. And so I think any time that you

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<v Speaker 2>can use free agency to profess your faith in your quarterback,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that all rolls downhill. I mean That's why

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<v Speaker 2>I was so happy with what the Bears did this

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<v Speaker 2>offseason too, because I think they're starting that the process

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<v Speaker 2>from the ground up, right, and whereas Cincinnati has sort

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<v Speaker 2>of embodied that at least over the last few years.

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<v Speaker 1>We are chatting with Sports Illustrated senior writer Connor or

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<v Speaker 1>So prediction number one Bengals over forty nine ers in

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<v Speaker 1>the Super Bowl go right to prediction number one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>that Joe Burrow will win his first MVP Award. Now

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<v Speaker 1>in Vegas, the top three guys in terms of the

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<v Speaker 1>odds are Burrow, Mahomes, and Alan not necessarily in that order.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is not a wildly bold prediction, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>intrigued by the sentence Joe Burrow will win his first

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<v Speaker 1>MVP Award, implying that there might be multiple MVPs in

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<v Speaker 1>his career. How boldly do you consider this prediction that

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Burrow is going to be this year's MVP.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I thought that was kind of one

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<v Speaker 2>of the easier ones. And you know, I guess as

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<v Speaker 2>somebody who does you know who has to do one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred predictions, right, you know, you don't want them to

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<v Speaker 2>all be chalky and It's easy to say that Patrick

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<v Speaker 2>Mahomes is going to win the MVP Award, But I

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<v Speaker 2>think that there's a couple of factors in there too,

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<v Speaker 2>where just like Tom Brady and Bill Belichick, there becomes

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<v Speaker 2>a fatigue with certain players who are so great over

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<v Speaker 2>certain periods of time, Whereas Burrow I think still has

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<v Speaker 2>that element for voters that if he has a big

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<v Speaker 2>season and they make it to the Super Bowl and

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<v Speaker 2>they win the Super Bowl. I think that's something that

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<v Speaker 2>you know, is easier for us to accept as sort

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<v Speaker 2>of the voting public. It's like, Okay, here's the new guy,

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<v Speaker 2>here's the next whatever whatever, and so yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it'll be the first of many. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I've you know, I did the SI cover story on

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<v Speaker 2>him last year for the Football Preview issue, and I've

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<v Speaker 2>always said, like I mean, and other people backed this

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<v Speaker 2>up in the story, like he's the closest thing we

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<v Speaker 2>have to a sort of long term talent in the league,

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<v Speaker 2>Like somebody that will be able to play the game

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<v Speaker 2>the way that he is now when he's forty years old,

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<v Speaker 2>and if he wants to keep doing it that way,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you can have a lot of success in

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<v Speaker 2>between there. He's functionally mobile, he's smart, he's committed determine

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<v Speaker 2>all that kind of stuff. So I feel like this

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<v Speaker 2>could be the first of a handful.

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<v Speaker 1>For sure. You came to Cincinnati to do that cover

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<v Speaker 1>story last year. Joe doesn't do a ton of interviews,

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<v Speaker 1>one on one interviews other than the news conferences that

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<v Speaker 1>he has to do as an NFL quarterback. What were

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<v Speaker 1>some of your big takeaways from spending one on one

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<v Speaker 1>time with Joe?

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<v Speaker 2>Just how you know, and it's such a cliche, but

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<v Speaker 2>what you see is what you get kind of thing,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and kind of how just you know, there

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't anything guarded, There wasn't anything dishonest. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>think with certain players, you can certainly tell that they're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get something across to you. There's a message,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a point to why you're there or why you've

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<v Speaker 2>been invited there. With Joe, I mean, you know, his

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<v Speaker 2>day probably would have been a whole lot better if

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<v Speaker 2>we didn't have if he didn't have to do it

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<v Speaker 2>at all, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, But within that, I thought that there was a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Mutual respect, you know, respectful of my time, which is

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm getting older. It's rare, you know. And

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<v Speaker 2>but and just this mutual consideration. I'm not someone that's

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<v Speaker 2>in there to ruin his day. We can have a

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<v Speaker 2>fun conversation and we can talk about things that really

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<v Speaker 2>matter to him in life, and you know, and and

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to be honest about it.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, I just thought just.

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<v Speaker 2>Different, very very down to earth, very you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>kind of person that you could bump into and if

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<v Speaker 2>you didn't know he was Joe Burrow, just to have

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<v Speaker 2>a really nice you know, have a beer with him.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>We're chatting with Connor Or from Sports Illustrated. You can

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<v Speaker 1>follow him on Twitter at connor Or. The cover story

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<v Speaker 1>on Burrow wasn't just about Burrow. There was plenty of

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<v Speaker 1>other Bengals stuff in there, including some great stuff about

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<v Speaker 1>Zach Taylor and his wife and how much they love

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<v Speaker 1>working and living in Cincinnati. There was a great anecdote

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<v Speaker 1>in there about Zach Taylor dropping the kids off at

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<v Speaker 1>school the morning after the AFC Championship went over Kansas City.

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<v Speaker 1>A couple of years, they get home at two in

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<v Speaker 1>the morning, He's up at six to take his kids

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<v Speaker 1>to school. Did it stand out to you how good

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<v Speaker 1>of a fit Zach Taylor is in Cincinnati and with

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals organization.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, some of my best friends live

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<v Speaker 2>in Cincinnati. There was a chance that I would have

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<v Speaker 2>worked in Cincinnati earlier in my career, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when you talk to people from there and you talk

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<v Speaker 2>to people who live there, it's just sort of that

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<v Speaker 2>expectation like this is how this community is, and it

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<v Speaker 2>just sort of brings you in, it sort of embraces

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<v Speaker 2>you as long as you love it back, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean. If you know, it takes a certain

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<v Speaker 2>kind of person to love I think Cincinnati, but if

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<v Speaker 2>you do, it is you know, it's it's a it's

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<v Speaker 2>a heaven on Earth kind of place. And with Zach,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, it's funny to hear his wife

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<v Speaker 2>tell the story about like how we just knew that

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<v Speaker 2>this is where we always want it to be and

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<v Speaker 2>to be so definitive about that, and you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's part of the reason why this has worked.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's part of the reason that Mike Brown

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<v Speaker 2>was you know, patient with him, you know, and after

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<v Speaker 2>two of those first two seasons, you could see a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of guy owners moving on at that point, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's fostered this sort of really good relationship, and not

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<v Speaker 2>every coach has that where you're comfortable and you can

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<v Speaker 2>exist in a city like Zach Taylor can exist in Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get back to your one hundred bold predictions. Prediction

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<v Speaker 1>number ninety three, Joe Burrow will do something cool with

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<v Speaker 1>his contract so that the Bengals can re sign all

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<v Speaker 1>of his wide receiver friends. Keeping Burrow, Chase, and Higgins

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<v Speaker 1>is probably going to cost about one hundred million dollars

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<v Speaker 1>a year going forward. It's a big chunk of the cap.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think it's feasible?

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<v Speaker 2>I think anything is feasible within the salary cap. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a believer in what a lot of agents have told me.

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<v Speaker 2>And granted this is agents right, and they want to

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<v Speaker 2>be paid the commission to sign the player to the contract,

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<v Speaker 2>but that the salary cap is ultimately sort of the

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<v Speaker 2>best excuse that any GM or owner has in modern times, right.

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<v Speaker 2>And there are teams who are willing to work around it,

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<v Speaker 2>work through it, spend the money now whatever you know,

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<v Speaker 2>however you want to structure, and there are teams that

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<v Speaker 2>are less willing to do it. But I mean, nothing

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<v Speaker 2>in the way that Cincinnati has acted over the last

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<v Speaker 2>three years led me to believe that they're trying to

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<v Speaker 2>save money here, you know, I mean, this is this

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<v Speaker 2>is an investment for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>What might something cool be?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there are quarterbacks who come out and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not saying he's gonna do what Tom Brady did, certainly not.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, the best quarterback, he's maybe one

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<v Speaker 2>of the two or three best quarterbacks in the NFL.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I think you do have a responsibility to

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<v Speaker 2>your peers into the players Association to reset the market there.

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<v Speaker 2>But is there way that you can structure the contract,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's front loaded, backloaded, whether some of the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>some of the guarantees fall in a certain kind of

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<v Speaker 2>way where you create little pockets.

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<v Speaker 3>Of available cash.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that there is and it's just a

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<v Speaker 2>matter of you know, Joe, I think is unique because

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<v Speaker 2>here's a guy who is from Ohio, who is committed

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<v Speaker 2>to building this thing in Ohio. Nothing about anything that

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<v Speaker 2>anyone around him has ever said leads me to believe

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<v Speaker 2>that he wants to ever be anywhere else. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe your opinions or life can change in some in

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<v Speaker 2>some different way over the course of time. But if

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<v Speaker 2>you know you want to be somewhere for so long,

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<v Speaker 2>I think certainly you can get creative with the numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Patrick Mahomes signed a ten year deal and

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<v Speaker 2>within that creates a lot of space for them to

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<v Speaker 2>do different things.

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<v Speaker 1>Bold prediction number ninety eight. Jamar Chase will win the

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<v Speaker 1>Offensive Player of the Year award. It's safe to say

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<v Speaker 1>you expect monster numbers from Jamar Chase this year.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that we're going to be in one of

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<v Speaker 2>those situations where defensively we're going to be in one

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<v Speaker 2>of these years where it's year three maybe where you

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<v Speaker 2>want to say it's sort of the Vic Fangio thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And within that, I think there's going to be a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of evolutions defensively, And with that, I think you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to see offenses start to struggle anew again. And

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<v Speaker 2>when whenever you see kind of an offensive breakthrough, there's

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<v Speaker 2>always a defensive counterbalance. And during those counterbalance years, you

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<v Speaker 2>always see that ingrained relationships between quarterbacks and wide receivers

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<v Speaker 2>end up doing really well. And these are guys who

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<v Speaker 2>know each other, These are guys who understand each other

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<v Speaker 2>really well, and I just think, you know that this

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<v Speaker 2>could be one of those years where they have the

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<v Speaker 2>ability to stand out.

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<v Speaker 1>Non Bengals Bold Predictions. Do you think DeAndre Hopkins winds

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<v Speaker 1>up in Cleveland?

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<v Speaker 2>It's the only place that makes sense to me. And

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<v Speaker 2>I know that you know he wants to play for

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<v Speaker 2>the Chiefs and the Bills. That's great. Yeah, I do too.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I would love I would love to be

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<v Speaker 2>the head coach of the Chiefs.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm not saying that they don't want him.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure there's some interest there, But I think Cleveland

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<v Speaker 2>probably has the most money, and I think Cleveland probably

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<v Speaker 2>has the most interest in having Deshaun Watson be successful

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<v Speaker 2>for myriad reasons, and so I think you should feel

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<v Speaker 2>that responsibility to do whatever you can to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>Deshaun Watson is comfortable. And I don't think Amari Cooper

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<v Speaker 2>and Donovan Peoples, Jones and Elijah Moore is really doing

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<v Speaker 2>it for me as a wide receiver corps and I

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<v Speaker 2>wonder if he feels the same way.

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<v Speaker 1>You did not stack the AFC North in your one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred Bold Predictions. But what do you think which of Baltimore, Pittsburgh,

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<v Speaker 1>and Cleveland is most likely to challenge Cincinnati for the crown.

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<v Speaker 2>This is so hard. I think Baltimore is gonna have

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<v Speaker 2>a really good seaton. I mean, this division is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be a gauntlet, and it could be one of

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<v Speaker 2>those I know it's a cop out when and I

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<v Speaker 2>said this about the AFC West last year, so buyer beware,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, it could be one of those things

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<v Speaker 2>where the well in, the last place team in the

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<v Speaker 2>division has nine wins, you know, And you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>think that Baltimore, to me, is probably your second place

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<v Speaker 2>team that's not so far behind, presuming that Lamar Jackson's healthy,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think that that offense is going to look

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<v Speaker 2>a lot different and sort of really cool and with

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<v Speaker 2>with Munket in there. So but I like Pittsburgh a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've talked to a lot of people who really

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<v Speaker 2>like Pittsburgh.

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<v Speaker 3>I think Kenny Pickett could break out my I.

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<v Speaker 2>Would say the dividing line there would be I like

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<v Speaker 2>Jackson a little bit more than I like Pickett, and

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<v Speaker 2>so I have it I have That's how I would

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<v Speaker 2>have it. I would have it Cincinnati, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Cleveland.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, final thing for Connor Or from Sports Illustrated

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<v Speaker 1>Bold Prediction number ninety two, The love of your life

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<v Speaker 1>will announce plans for a divorce midway through the second

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<v Speaker 1>quarter of a Cardinals game. We happen to be doing

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<v Speaker 1>this interview on my wedding anniversary.

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<v Speaker 3>Is there something anniversary?

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much. Is there something that you know

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<v Speaker 1>that I should be worried about?

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<v Speaker 3>Are the Cardinals on the schedule, because you got.

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<v Speaker 1>To be Yeah, the Cardinals are on the Bengals schedule.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a road game. I maybe I should bring Peg

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<v Speaker 1>with me on that road trip, just make sure. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think this is a good reminder for

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<v Speaker 2>everyone out there to just take your significant other out

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<v Speaker 2>and make sure they know you love them.

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<v Speaker 3>But no, I would say that just in general.

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<v Speaker 2>I think if you take your significant other to a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of Cardinals games, that's a hard lot in life,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, so at some point you can.

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<v Speaker 3>Think of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Connor, I really enjoyed the one hundred Bold predictions. Obviously

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<v Speaker 1>the ones about the Bengals will please my audience, since

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<v Speaker 1>you are very high on Cincinnati and very high on

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Burrow, and hopefully we will cross paths Super Bowl Week,

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<v Speaker 1>when you are days away from seeing that prediction come true.

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<v Speaker 2>Looking forward to it, and thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of Connor's one hundred bold predictions are tongue in cheek,

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<v Speaker 1>including this one, number thirty four. A happily rowtunnd German Man,

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<v Speaker 1>initially dressed as Andy Reid, will streak across the football

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<v Speaker 1>field in Frankfurt's stadium wearing only a mustache. That sentence

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<v Speaker 1>made me laugh, although the mental image is profoundly disturbing.

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<v Speaker 1>rookies arrived in Cincinnati with a great nickname, Chuck Sizzle.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what Purdue fans started calling wide receiver Charlie Jones.

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<v Speaker 1>Last year. I talked to Charlie about the origin of

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<v Speaker 1>the nickname and his chance encounter with a Bengals legend

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<v Speaker 1>over the weekend. Chad Johnson tweeted a picture of the

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<v Speaker 1>two of you over the weekend. How'd you meet?

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<v Speaker 6>He was staying at the hotel that the rookies are

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<v Speaker 6>staying at and so I just ran into him, said

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<v Speaker 6>what's up. Got to talk to him for a little bit,

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<v Speaker 6>So it was cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you old enough to really remember his Bengals career?

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<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, Oh yeah. That was one of the guys

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<v Speaker 6>out that I've been, you know, watching as a kid.

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<v Speaker 6>So it was cool to It's cool to get to

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<v Speaker 6>meet him in person.

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<v Speaker 1>He seemed excited about the possibility of you being with

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<v Speaker 1>his former team.

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<v Speaker 6>Did he express that Yeah, definitely, definitely. Like I said,

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<v Speaker 6>I got talked for a little bit and he was

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<v Speaker 6>excited and I was excited. So it was cool, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Explain the origin of Chuck Sizzle. Uh.

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<v Speaker 6>It started my first game last year at Purdue Gus Johnson.

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<v Speaker 6>We were playing Penn State and he just he just

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<v Speaker 6>started calling me out of nowhere, and it's stuck all year.

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<v Speaker 1>He loved saying it anytime he had a Purdue game.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, he was over and over again. That was his thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So I see the gear. Do friends and family members

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<v Speaker 1>wear it? The shirt chuck Sizzel shirts and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, they got a good amount of shirts. Did they

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<v Speaker 6>wear it every once in a while?

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<v Speaker 1>Have guys here started calling you that?

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<v Speaker 6>Uh no, not really, No, not yet, not yet, not yet.

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<v Speaker 1>We're visiting the Charlie Jones. You've got the number fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>that was your Purdue number. I think you were sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>at Iowa. Do you feel like there's good mojo there?

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<v Speaker 1>Were you happy to get it?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 6>I was happy to get it. Stick with the number.

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<v Speaker 6>It grew on me last year, so I'm happy to

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<v Speaker 6>be in it again.

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<v Speaker 1>You reference that Perdue debut where Gus Johnson coined the

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<v Speaker 1>nickname twelve catches one hundred and fifty something yards against

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<v Speaker 1>Penn State. I believe how important was that game in

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<v Speaker 1>your first game at Purdue to kind of establish all right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm here to do some damage.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I mean, you know, obviously it was a big

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<v Speaker 6>game to begin with, and then kind of, like you said,

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<v Speaker 6>just to prove that you know, I'm here, I'm a receiver.

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<v Speaker 6>I can do this in this league, and that's that's

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<v Speaker 6>really why I went to Purdue is to prove that.

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<v Speaker 6>So to come out and start off like that was

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<v Speaker 6>was was pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 1>So your Purdue quarterback in childhood buddy Aiden is with

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<v Speaker 1>the Raiders. Correct. You guys been in frequent contact during

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<v Speaker 1>the OTA.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, we're both busy, so we've called a couple of

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<v Speaker 6>each other a couple of times. But yeah, I'm very

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<v Speaker 6>happy for him. Worked really hard to get here and

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<v Speaker 6>he's in a good, good situation.

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<v Speaker 1>It's almost a year to the day since you transferred

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<v Speaker 1>from Iowa to Purdue, and it's obviously worked out incredibly well.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you reflect it all a year later about that

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<v Speaker 1>life changing decision.

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<v Speaker 6>Every once in a while, you know, I've been pretty busy,

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<v Speaker 6>so it's don't really get to think on it too much.

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<v Speaker 6>But but yeah, it's crazy that it was a difficult

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<v Speaker 6>decision for me in the time, and looking back on it,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, it's exactly why I made that decision to

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<v Speaker 6>be in the situation i'm at now's you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 6>just I'm just blessed to be in it.

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<v Speaker 1>So you've been with t and Jamar for a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of weeks. Tyler Boyd join the festivities today. Let's start

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<v Speaker 1>with the first two guys. Anything stand out from watching

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<v Speaker 1>them and studying their practice habits.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, definitely, just just getting to watch the way they

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<v Speaker 6>operate on a daily basis, whether I'm out, I'm on

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<v Speaker 6>the field with them, or we're in the meeting room.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm just just picking up little things, And that was

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<v Speaker 6>that was my goal for you know, the first couple

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<v Speaker 6>of weeks, just learn as much as I possibly can.

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<v Speaker 6>I feel like that's going to be the goal of

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<v Speaker 6>my whole careers. Every day I'm trying to learn, trying

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<v Speaker 6>to pick up new things and be in a room

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<v Speaker 6>with guys like this who who who've been pretty established

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<v Speaker 6>has been has been awesome for me.

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<v Speaker 1>And now the Tyler's here, that's a guy who plays

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<v Speaker 1>a spot that you're likely to see a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>snaps at. Will you really be focusing on the things

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<v Speaker 1>that have made him so successful?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, definitely, just just trying to be a sponge and

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<v Speaker 6>just trying to absorb as much knowledge as I can.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, see the way we worse for him, what

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<v Speaker 6>he does that I can do, that's gonna work for me.

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<v Speaker 6>So just really just being a student of the game

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<v Speaker 6>and and trying to take what they do and add

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<v Speaker 6>it to my toolbox.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're chatting like forty five minutes after practice ended

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<v Speaker 1>and you just walked into the locker room. Are you

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<v Speaker 1>grinding well after practice stops?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, definitely got a lot of things that need to

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<v Speaker 6>work on.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 6>I feel like I'm in the position I am today

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<v Speaker 6>because of the hard work. So so that's not changing

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<v Speaker 6>at all.

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<v Speaker 1>What's Coach Walter's been like, it's.

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<v Speaker 6>Been awesome, just another guy to learn from, really really

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<v Speaker 6>breaks it down, makes it makes it simple for for

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<v Speaker 6>the new guys, and just really been helping us ever

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<v Speaker 6>since we we got drafted. He's been, you know, helping

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<v Speaker 6>us the whole time. So it's been awesome being a

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<v Speaker 6>room and he's someone that's done it, you know, which

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<v Speaker 6>is awesome. So he's got a lot of knowledge, and

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<v Speaker 6>same thing with with the other guys in the room.

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<v Speaker 6>Just been learning, taking new things.

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<v Speaker 1>Apprecia your time, appreciate it. If Charlie has early success

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<v Speaker 1>as a receiver and or return specialist, I suspect there

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<v Speaker 1>will be a bunch of Chuck Sizzle merchandise out there.

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<v Speaker 1>week is with Bengal's strength and conditioning coach Joey Bose.

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<v Speaker 1>Joey has been in that role since Zach Taylor arrived

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty nineteen, and, like the Bengals head coach, Bose

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<v Speaker 1>was an outstanding college football player before getting into coaching.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe your story is really interesting to me because before

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<v Speaker 1>you got into strength and conditioning coaching, you had quite

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<v Speaker 1>a playing career. You run back to back rose ball

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<v Speaker 1>winning teams at Wisconsin. You spent four years in the

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<v Speaker 1>Canadian Football League. You were a CFL All Star. How

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<v Speaker 1>unusual are you among your peers in that sense.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, I don't know if I'm unusual. I was lucky

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<v Speaker 4>when I was younger, you know, to go to the

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<v Speaker 4>University of Wisconsin, be around some great coaches and be

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<v Speaker 4>on some really good football teams. And then I was

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<v Speaker 4>one of those guys that wanted to play in the NFL.

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<v Speaker 4>And maybe it was a step slow or a little

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<v Speaker 4>bit too small to do that.

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<v Speaker 5>So I went up to the Canadian.

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<v Speaker 4>Football League and played up there for you know, four years,

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<v Speaker 4>And really, I think my experience as a player has helped.

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<v Speaker 5>Me in the field of work I'm in.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, were you in any NFL tryout camps? Did you

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<v Speaker 1>get a shot with anybody? You know?

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<v Speaker 4>I after my second year in the CFL, I mean

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<v Speaker 4>the All Star team up there, and I had a

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<v Speaker 4>couple you know, late now looking back at it, late December,

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<v Speaker 4>early January workouts with teams, But no, I was never

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<v Speaker 4>on an NFL roster.

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<v Speaker 1>You played with Ron Daine when he won the Heisman Trophy.

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<v Speaker 1>Who are some of the best guys you played with

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<v Speaker 1>and against?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow?

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<v Speaker 4>With you know, Ron Daine was a great player. Chris

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<v Speaker 4>Chambers was a wide receiver. He went in the second round.

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<v Speaker 4>He was a really good pro for Miami. Jamar Fletcher

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<v Speaker 4>was a year older than me, played corner. He won

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<v Speaker 4>the Jim Thorpe his junior year.

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<v Speaker 5>He was a first round draft pick. Those are a

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<v Speaker 5>couple of skill guys that were really good.

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<v Speaker 4>Michael Bennett, the running back for Minnesota, played with Michael

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<v Speaker 4>for a year against you know, I was obviously Tom

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<v Speaker 4>Brady was probably the best player.

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<v Speaker 5>Looking back at it, it was his I guess it

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<v Speaker 5>was his senior year.

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<v Speaker 4>He was split in time with a guy named Drew Henson,

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<v Speaker 4>and Drew Brees played against.

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<v Speaker 5>Him a couple of times.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it Purdue?

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<v Speaker 5>So I was in.

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<v Speaker 4>That old you know, late nineties, Big ten, early two thousands.

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<v Speaker 5>There's some good players that back then.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you had seven picks in college. I think

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<v Speaker 1>maybe that was the CFL. It's not seven picks somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll take it.

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<v Speaker 4>That might be a little generous generous, but I'll take seven.

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<v Speaker 5>Sure. That sounds good to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you get anybody good like Brady? Anybody stand up?

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<v Speaker 1>You know?

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 4>I had a scoop and score against Indiana, but I

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<v Speaker 4>think we're getting beat pretty bad that game.

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<v Speaker 5>So I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>Antoine Randall L maybe was a quarterback, but I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know if I got any.

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<v Speaker 5>Of those good guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Antoine Randall L gave the Bengals fits when he was

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<v Speaker 1>a Pittsburgh Steeler. But in any case, there visiting with

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<v Speaker 1>Joey Bose. You're from southern California. How did you wind

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<v Speaker 1>up in Madison, Wisconsin?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I went to I was real lucky growing up.

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<v Speaker 4>I went to Modern Day High School, which had a

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<v Speaker 4>tremendous still does, tremendous football program, great sports growing up

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<v Speaker 4>in Orange County.

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<v Speaker 5>There.

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<v Speaker 4>I went to mad and got recruited by a couple

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<v Speaker 4>of schools coming out, and after my junior year, Wisconsin

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<v Speaker 4>offered me a scholarship and we took a summer trip

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<v Speaker 4>going into my senior year there and really fell in

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<v Speaker 4>love with the campus and the coaching staff and committed.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess midway maybe November through my senior year, and

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<v Speaker 4>I would do it all over again. I was very

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<v Speaker 4>lucky to pick the University of Wisconsin. Anything stand out

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<v Speaker 4>about those two Rose Bowl wins? You know, I was

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<v Speaker 4>a young guy, was a true freshman my first year,

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<v Speaker 4>so going back to California was big because when I

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<v Speaker 4>committed to Wisconsin, I had a lot of buddies and

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<v Speaker 4>friends around the neighborhood, you know, saying.

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<v Speaker 1>What are you doing?

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<v Speaker 5>Why would you go to Wisconsin.

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<v Speaker 4>So I think our first year going back, we played Juicecla.

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<v Speaker 4>That was gratifying, you know, to pick a school, and

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<v Speaker 4>then I was a special teams kind of dying player.

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<v Speaker 4>Then my second year, I was the nickel and we

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<v Speaker 4>actually played Troy Walters Stanford in the Rose Bowl and

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<v Speaker 4>Troy was Blittan the cough winner.

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<v Speaker 5>He was the big receiver. We had to stop that game.

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<v Speaker 4>But I was very fortunate to be around some good players,

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<v Speaker 4>some good coaches, and we were those first two years

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<v Speaker 4>pretty good at Wisconsin.

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<v Speaker 1>So I mentioned you went to the Canadian Football League.

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<v Speaker 1>You were a Calgary Stampeder. Did you enjoy the CFL?

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<v Speaker 1>I did.

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<v Speaker 4>It was fresh out of college. I probably wasn't ready

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<v Speaker 4>for the working world at that time, and so football

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<v Speaker 4>in sports was kind of all I knew, and I

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<v Speaker 4>was lucky I got on Calgary Stampede's.

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<v Speaker 5>I played up there for four years. I had a

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<v Speaker 5>good time.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a little bit different structure than the National Football League.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know what it's like now, but back then there.

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<v Speaker 5>Wasn't an off season.

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<v Speaker 4>It was showed for training camp and if you were

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<v Speaker 4>in shape, you had a chance to make the team.

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<v Speaker 5>But I had met some good people up there and

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<v Speaker 5>had a good experience.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Burrow's dad, Jimmy, famously played in the CFL. If

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<v Speaker 1>you guys traded CFL stories.

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<v Speaker 5>You know what.

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<v Speaker 4>I did not know that, but now that I do,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe i'll bring that up. I saw Jimmy, my brother

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<v Speaker 4>in law, is now the defense coordinator at Ohio You,

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<v Speaker 4>and so we went up there for Easter and I

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<v Speaker 4>saw mister Burrow out of practice and we talked for

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit.

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<v Speaker 5>And obviously he's got a big legacy at Ohio You.

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<v Speaker 5>So I didn't know he played.

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<v Speaker 1>The cefalough now to discuss the Jimmy Burrow. So your

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<v Speaker 1>playing career ends, It's time to get a job in

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<v Speaker 1>the real world. Did I read correctly that you started

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<v Speaker 1>out selling cars?

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<v Speaker 4>My father was in the car dealer business, and at

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<v Speaker 4>that time I kind of thought maybe that's what I

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<v Speaker 4>wanted to get into, So I started working for my dad.

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<v Speaker 5>I worked there for three months and was miserable. Two

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<v Speaker 5>and a half of those months, I realized I had.

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<v Speaker 4>No passion for what my dad had a passion in

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<v Speaker 4>and quickly realized that that something in athletics.

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<v Speaker 5>Was the way I wanted to go.

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<v Speaker 4>And so I went in and told my dad, Hey,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think this is working for me.

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<v Speaker 5>He said, I thought you would have quit, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>two months ago.

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<v Speaker 4>So I got done with that, and then my brother

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<v Speaker 4>in law was a defensive line coach at Importia State University,

0:28:59.160 --> 0:29:01.680
<v Speaker 4>and so I went there as the safety's coach and

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<v Speaker 4>assistant strength coach.

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<v Speaker 5>As a GA.

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<v Speaker 4>I was there for one semester and then that summer

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<v Speaker 4>I got a job at the University of Nebraska. And

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<v Speaker 4>that's really when my coaching career started.

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<v Speaker 1>And is that when you met Zach.

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<v Speaker 4>I did meet Zach that year. He was just getting

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<v Speaker 4>done playing. He was around for maybe the first three

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<v Speaker 4>or four weeks of the season, and then he went

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<v Speaker 4>to the CFL. And then the following year we both

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<v Speaker 4>went to Texas A and M University together.

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<v Speaker 1>So you guys are both kids at that point realistically,

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<v Speaker 1>did did you think this guy is going places someday?

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<v Speaker 5>You know, we hit it off right away.

0:29:41.360 --> 0:29:43.680
<v Speaker 4>It was one of those guys that we had a

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<v Speaker 4>lot in common, whether we sports or football or whatever.

0:29:49.160 --> 0:29:51.400
<v Speaker 4>And so we hit it off. And then he went

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<v Speaker 4>to the CFL. And then the next year he went

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<v Speaker 4>to Texas A and M as a graduate assistant, and

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<v Speaker 4>I went there as an assistant strength coach, and two

0:30:00.760 --> 0:30:04.080
<v Speaker 4>young coaches that were Uh he was engaged at the time,

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<v Speaker 4>but I was single. And we spent a lot of

0:30:06.720 --> 0:30:09.320
<v Speaker 4>a lot of weekends together and and you know, time.

0:30:09.160 --> 0:30:12.440
<v Speaker 5>Around the office. Uh, those are some good times at

0:30:12.440 --> 0:30:12.800
<v Speaker 5>Texas A.

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<v Speaker 1>And now, how did you gravitate towards strength and conditioning

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<v Speaker 1>as opposed to being a secondary coach or a position coach.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I thought I wanted to be a secondary

0:30:20.560 --> 0:30:22.800
<v Speaker 4>coach when I when I first started in at Nebraska,

0:30:22.920 --> 0:30:25.440
<v Speaker 4>I was a kind of a they called it video

0:30:25.480 --> 0:30:26.240
<v Speaker 4>intern at the time.

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<v Speaker 5>It was kind of like a quality control job.

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<v Speaker 4>And I realized there very quickly that I spent all

0:30:31.880 --> 0:30:34.479
<v Speaker 4>my waking, like early in the morning or late at night.

0:30:34.520 --> 0:30:36.920
<v Speaker 5>I was always in the weight room. Uh. I loved

0:30:36.920 --> 0:30:38.480
<v Speaker 5>the physical aspect of it.

0:30:38.520 --> 0:30:41.520
<v Speaker 4>I did not enjoy, you know, the three hours of

0:30:41.560 --> 0:30:44.560
<v Speaker 4>breaking down tape or some of the analytics stuff that

0:30:44.640 --> 0:30:48.240
<v Speaker 4>these guys do as much as I thought I would,

0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:50.960
<v Speaker 4>but I did realize I love the preparation of it

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<v Speaker 4>and on.

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<v Speaker 5>The field stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>And so that's really when I realized that Nebraska that

0:30:57.160 --> 0:30:59.600
<v Speaker 4>hey maybe I'm in the wrong I in the right place,

0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:02.080
<v Speaker 4>but in the wrong position. And then I went to

0:31:02.080 --> 0:31:04.680
<v Speaker 4>Texas A and M. I was fortunate the guy, the

0:31:04.920 --> 0:31:06.840
<v Speaker 4>Dave Kennedy, who was the head strength coach at the

0:31:06.960 --> 0:31:09.440
<v Speaker 4>University of Resk at the time, we happened to hit

0:31:09.480 --> 0:31:10.959
<v Speaker 4>it off when I was at Wisconsin, he was at

0:31:10.960 --> 0:31:14.080
<v Speaker 4>Ohio State, and so I tend to be in the

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<v Speaker 4>weight room a lot during those days and we would,

0:31:16.720 --> 0:31:19.400
<v Speaker 4>you know, talk, And so when he got the job

0:31:19.440 --> 0:31:22.560
<v Speaker 4>at Texas A and M, he had called me and said, Hey,

0:31:22.600 --> 0:31:24.680
<v Speaker 4>I think you'd be pretty good at this.

0:31:24.880 --> 0:31:25.280
<v Speaker 5>Come down.

0:31:25.280 --> 0:31:28.080
<v Speaker 4>I'll teach you what you don't know. And I was

0:31:28.160 --> 0:31:30.200
<v Speaker 4>very fortunate to get that opportunity.

0:31:30.680 --> 0:31:33.400
<v Speaker 1>We're chatting with Bengals strength and conditioning coach Joey Bose.

0:31:33.800 --> 0:31:36.200
<v Speaker 1>He went from Texas A and M to Fresno State,

0:31:36.520 --> 0:31:39.120
<v Speaker 1>then Illinois and then you got a call from Zach

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<v Speaker 1>to come to Cincinnati when he got the head coaching

0:31:41.520 --> 0:31:45.520
<v Speaker 1>job in twenty nineteen. Did you want an NFL gig?

0:31:45.920 --> 0:31:48.840
<v Speaker 1>Did you want to work with him. What appealed to

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<v Speaker 1>you about this job?

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<v Speaker 5>I think both. Obviously, you know, I knew what kind

0:31:54.000 --> 0:31:55.120
<v Speaker 5>of guy Zach was.

0:31:55.320 --> 0:31:57.840
<v Speaker 4>I knew what kind of leader he was, and so

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<v Speaker 4>when the opportunity to come work for him and to

0:32:00.520 --> 0:32:02.720
<v Speaker 4>be a part of his staff came up, you know,

0:32:02.840 --> 0:32:06.680
<v Speaker 4>obviously I jumped at that. And you know, the National

0:32:06.720 --> 0:32:10.200
<v Speaker 4>Football League is the top, the top, you know, level

0:32:10.280 --> 0:32:13.160
<v Speaker 4>of this field, and so as a young coach, when

0:32:13.160 --> 0:32:15.200
<v Speaker 4>I was at Fresno State or even Texas A and M,

0:32:15.240 --> 0:32:16.680
<v Speaker 4>you know, I always thought what it would be like

0:32:16.720 --> 0:32:18.920
<v Speaker 4>to be in the National Football League and be around

0:32:18.960 --> 0:32:22.680
<v Speaker 4>the most elite players on the planet. And so, like

0:32:22.720 --> 0:32:25.840
<v Speaker 4>I said, when when Zach called me, I was very

0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:28.080
<v Speaker 4>very happy to jump on board.

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<v Speaker 1>So you did an interview with my colleague Jeff Hobson

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<v Speaker 1>shortly after taking the job for Bengals dot Com and

0:32:34.480 --> 0:32:36.320
<v Speaker 1>you said, this is before you've worked with any of

0:32:36.360 --> 0:32:39.040
<v Speaker 1>the players or anything. You said, my job is to

0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:42.560
<v Speaker 1>help implement the culture that Zach Taylor is trying to implement,

0:32:42.680 --> 0:32:46.440
<v Speaker 1>which now to me seems amazing that even before all

0:32:46.480 --> 0:32:49.920
<v Speaker 1>of that talk of the Bengals culture had started, that

0:32:50.080 --> 0:32:51.320
<v Speaker 1>was your mission from day one.

0:32:52.280 --> 0:32:54.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think knowing Zach for as long as I've

0:32:54.800 --> 0:32:57.400
<v Speaker 4>known him, I think that, like the word culture gets

0:32:57.440 --> 0:32:59.600
<v Speaker 4>thrown around a lot, which is kind of the energy

0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:01.680
<v Speaker 4>that he wanted in the building on a day to

0:33:01.760 --> 0:33:05.760
<v Speaker 4>day basis was important to him and something that that

0:33:05.840 --> 0:33:07.480
<v Speaker 4>I feel is very important.

0:33:07.880 --> 0:33:11.680
<v Speaker 5>And so I guess I did say that back back then.

0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:12.800
<v Speaker 5>I didn't realize that, but.

0:33:13.600 --> 0:33:15.800
<v Speaker 4>You know, I feel like now going into year five,

0:33:15.880 --> 0:33:19.640
<v Speaker 4>we've really established what we do, how we do things,

0:33:20.240 --> 0:33:22.480
<v Speaker 4>the energy that's in the building, and that starts with

0:33:22.520 --> 0:33:25.480
<v Speaker 4>the players that we have in the front office, the

0:33:25.520 --> 0:33:28.120
<v Speaker 4>guys that they brought in, the drafted or free agents,

0:33:28.160 --> 0:33:29.680
<v Speaker 4>the guys that were already.

0:33:29.320 --> 0:33:33.719
<v Speaker 5>Here that are still here. And I'm just really fortunate

0:33:33.800 --> 0:33:34.440
<v Speaker 5>to be a part of it.

0:33:35.440 --> 0:33:39.160
<v Speaker 1>Year one was tough. Year ones are often tough, But

0:33:39.240 --> 0:33:42.240
<v Speaker 1>you started zero to eleven. How'd you get through it?

0:33:43.040 --> 0:33:45.120
<v Speaker 5>Ah, that was tough. You know, I got a great family.

0:33:45.160 --> 0:33:48.880
<v Speaker 4>I got three little boys that when I would come home,

0:33:48.960 --> 0:33:50.960
<v Speaker 4>you know, they weren't worried about winning a lot losing.

0:33:51.040 --> 0:33:54.080
<v Speaker 4>They just want to see Dad, And uh, you know

0:33:54.120 --> 0:33:56.120
<v Speaker 4>that that's a big part of it. And I think too,

0:33:56.280 --> 0:34:00.400
<v Speaker 4>like knowing that eventually kind of seeing what's happening now,

0:34:00.400 --> 0:34:03.240
<v Speaker 4>Did I see what has happened?

0:34:03.880 --> 0:34:05.840
<v Speaker 5>Probably not, you know, I thought we had.

0:34:05.720 --> 0:34:08.960
<v Speaker 4>A chance to kind of break through and establish being

0:34:09.000 --> 0:34:12.080
<v Speaker 4>a good team. But we stayed the course and we

0:34:12.080 --> 0:34:14.600
<v Speaker 4>were very consistent in our approach and what we've done.

0:34:15.120 --> 0:34:18.440
<v Speaker 4>You know, Year two wasn't much easier, you know, I

0:34:18.440 --> 0:34:20.160
<v Speaker 4>think we went two wins to four wins.

0:34:20.600 --> 0:34:23.399
<v Speaker 5>Uh And then obviously year three was a really big year.

0:34:23.440 --> 0:34:26.160
<v Speaker 4>But we take a lot of pride in how we've

0:34:26.200 --> 0:34:28.560
<v Speaker 4>done things and the consistency that we've done it. And

0:34:28.640 --> 0:34:31.239
<v Speaker 4>I think now we're seeing, you know, all that hard

0:34:31.280 --> 0:34:32.120
<v Speaker 4>work payoff.

0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:32.239
<v Speaker 5>A little bit.

0:34:33.280 --> 0:34:35.680
<v Speaker 1>Year three was a good year. That was an understatement.

0:34:36.000 --> 0:34:37.600
<v Speaker 1>As you guys went to the Super Bowl, what was

0:34:37.640 --> 0:34:39.000
<v Speaker 1>the highlight of that experience for you?

0:34:40.040 --> 0:34:44.040
<v Speaker 4>Well, I think the playoffs. I think I think getting

0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:46.200
<v Speaker 4>to the playoffs and then and then winning that first

0:34:46.200 --> 0:34:48.680
<v Speaker 4>playoff game was I know, in this building was a

0:34:48.680 --> 0:34:51.480
<v Speaker 4>big deal, you know. And then you know, you're kind

0:34:51.480 --> 0:34:53.279
<v Speaker 4>of playing with house money after that, you know, and

0:34:53.320 --> 0:34:56.160
<v Speaker 4>then we go to Tennessee and last second kick, and

0:34:56.560 --> 0:35:00.759
<v Speaker 4>I just remember vividly, like the locker room, the players

0:35:00.840 --> 0:35:04.840
<v Speaker 4>and how happy everybody was. I think those are the

0:35:04.960 --> 0:35:06.880
<v Speaker 4>memories when I close my eyes I think.

0:35:06.719 --> 0:35:10.120
<v Speaker 1>About Let's talk a little bit about the current team.

0:35:10.960 --> 0:35:15.239
<v Speaker 1>Joe Burrow is noticeably more well defined, I guess would

0:35:15.280 --> 0:35:17.759
<v Speaker 1>be my description of him just from being around these

0:35:17.920 --> 0:35:20.640
<v Speaker 1>OTA periods. Describe working with Joe Burrow.

0:35:21.320 --> 0:35:24.520
<v Speaker 5>Joe's great to work with. He is I've said this before.

0:35:24.880 --> 0:35:27.560
<v Speaker 4>He's got an elite work ethic and which I don't

0:35:27.600 --> 0:35:29.880
<v Speaker 4>think you know. Everyone sees how great he is on Sundays,

0:35:29.880 --> 0:35:31.440
<v Speaker 4>and he is, he's a superstar in the league.

0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:34.640
<v Speaker 5>But the way he carries himself, his leadership, and then

0:35:34.680 --> 0:35:35.360
<v Speaker 5>his work ethic.

0:35:35.400 --> 0:35:38.280
<v Speaker 4>I mean, he's a guy that puts in the work

0:35:38.360 --> 0:35:41.120
<v Speaker 4>to be as good as he is in every aspect,

0:35:41.400 --> 0:35:43.640
<v Speaker 4>whether it's in the weight room, whether it's his nutrition,

0:35:44.239 --> 0:35:49.319
<v Speaker 4>his conditioning, his speed work. Joe really does put in

0:35:49.480 --> 0:35:51.840
<v Speaker 4>the work to be a great quarterback.

0:35:52.719 --> 0:35:55.080
<v Speaker 1>He has a trainer that he's worked with for several years.

0:35:55.400 --> 0:35:58.360
<v Speaker 1>Everybody on this team has worked in college weight rooms,

0:35:58.360 --> 0:36:01.279
<v Speaker 1>a lot of great strength coaches and things like that.

0:36:01.520 --> 0:36:04.240
<v Speaker 1>How do you deal with that at the NFL level

0:36:04.280 --> 0:36:07.640
<v Speaker 1>where these guys already have programs that have been successful

0:36:07.640 --> 0:36:07.960
<v Speaker 1>for them.

0:36:08.280 --> 0:36:10.759
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think it comes down to communication and the

0:36:10.800 --> 0:36:12.919
<v Speaker 4>relationship that we have with the players and being able

0:36:12.960 --> 0:36:15.080
<v Speaker 4>to talk to them, Hey, what have you done over

0:36:15.160 --> 0:36:16.759
<v Speaker 4>the off season? What do you like doing, what do

0:36:16.800 --> 0:36:19.920
<v Speaker 4>you not like doing, explaining our program to them and

0:36:19.960 --> 0:36:22.799
<v Speaker 4>why we do what we do, and the players buying

0:36:22.880 --> 0:36:25.680
<v Speaker 4>has been really good, you know. And during the season

0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:29.680
<v Speaker 4>our job is to help make them feel as fast

0:36:29.760 --> 0:36:32.480
<v Speaker 4>and as fresh and as strong as they can on Sundays,

0:36:32.920 --> 0:36:34.920
<v Speaker 4>and so far we've had a lot of success doing that.

0:36:36.120 --> 0:36:39.080
<v Speaker 1>At the NFL Combine, they measure speed with a forty

0:36:39.120 --> 0:36:42.200
<v Speaker 1>yard dash. How do you guys measure speed?

0:36:42.840 --> 0:36:43.000
<v Speaker 5>You know?

0:36:43.040 --> 0:36:45.359
<v Speaker 4>We use a catapult system to track our players during

0:36:45.400 --> 0:36:49.080
<v Speaker 4>player during practice, and that gives us a number on

0:36:49.760 --> 0:36:54.440
<v Speaker 4>how much distance they've run, how fast they're running. A

0:36:54.520 --> 0:36:57.680
<v Speaker 4>multitude of different data points that we can look at,

0:36:58.280 --> 0:37:00.160
<v Speaker 4>but that's how we measure speed.

0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:04.520
<v Speaker 5>And we have a Garrett Swanson, it's our sports science coach.

0:37:05.239 --> 0:37:07.560
<v Speaker 4>He is always on a computer a practice, So if

0:37:07.600 --> 0:37:09.759
<v Speaker 4>you ever come to practice, he's on the computer with

0:37:09.840 --> 0:37:12.800
<v Speaker 4>a tablet in his hand, so we get instant feedback

0:37:12.840 --> 0:37:14.879
<v Speaker 4>of how fast or how well these guys are moving

0:37:14.960 --> 0:37:18.880
<v Speaker 4>during practice. That's how we track it during practice, and

0:37:18.880 --> 0:37:21.120
<v Speaker 4>then obviously how we communicate it during the week with

0:37:21.160 --> 0:37:24.040
<v Speaker 4>our players to make sure on Sunday we're moving good.

0:37:25.000 --> 0:37:29.600
<v Speaker 1>In terms of brute strength, moving mass. Who is the

0:37:29.680 --> 0:37:30.879
<v Speaker 1>strongest player on the.

0:37:30.800 --> 0:37:32.440
<v Speaker 5>Team I'm gonna get in trouble?

0:37:33.520 --> 0:37:36.440
<v Speaker 1>Feel free to name a few hurt anybody's feelings.

0:37:37.000 --> 0:37:39.920
<v Speaker 4>DJ Readers at the top of the list, BJ Hills

0:37:39.960 --> 0:37:43.280
<v Speaker 4>at the top of the list, Ted Carris, Alex Kappa.

0:37:44.600 --> 0:37:48.560
<v Speaker 4>Those are just a few guys that I can name

0:37:48.600 --> 0:37:52.000
<v Speaker 4>that that are pretty pretty strong. We have a lot

0:37:52.000 --> 0:37:54.120
<v Speaker 4>of a lot of strong players.

0:37:55.719 --> 0:37:59.960
<v Speaker 5>But those are just a few. And the fastest another

0:38:00.160 --> 0:38:04.919
<v Speaker 5>one that's gonna get me in trouble. Jamar's up there.

0:38:05.040 --> 0:38:11.399
<v Speaker 4>T Higgins is up there, Cheetoh is up there, Cam

0:38:11.440 --> 0:38:16.320
<v Speaker 4>Taylor Britt is up there. Tyson Anderson would be up there,

0:38:17.160 --> 0:38:20.080
<v Speaker 4>Dax Hill would be up there. There's a couple guys

0:38:20.080 --> 0:38:23.080
<v Speaker 4>that are battling for that twenty two mile an hour spot.

0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:26.600
<v Speaker 4>And we've seen, you know, we've seen some really high

0:38:26.600 --> 0:38:29.120
<v Speaker 4>speeds over the years, but those are a handful.

0:38:29.160 --> 0:38:32.080
<v Speaker 5>We got a really fast team right now, really fast.

0:38:32.280 --> 0:38:34.359
<v Speaker 1>And rookie DJ Turner is going to add his name

0:38:34.400 --> 0:38:36.480
<v Speaker 1>to the list, I'm sure after running a four to

0:38:36.520 --> 0:38:39.399
<v Speaker 1>two six forty at the combine. When he came into

0:38:39.440 --> 0:38:42.200
<v Speaker 1>the building, I asked him, are you looking to put

0:38:42.239 --> 0:38:46.360
<v Speaker 1>on some weight get bigger? And he said, well, speed

0:38:46.480 --> 0:38:50.000
<v Speaker 1>is my thing, not necessarily size. So how do you

0:38:50.080 --> 0:38:51.560
<v Speaker 1>balance questions like that?

0:38:53.480 --> 0:38:56.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's that's a great question. I don't want to

0:38:56.560 --> 0:38:59.040
<v Speaker 4>take away the trait that's got them here, right and

0:38:59.080 --> 0:39:01.719
<v Speaker 4>for him at speed, agility and how well he moves. Now,

0:39:01.719 --> 0:39:04.040
<v Speaker 4>obviously we want to get him stronger along the way,

0:39:04.080 --> 0:39:05.520
<v Speaker 4>and if we can put a little bit of size

0:39:05.520 --> 0:39:08.520
<v Speaker 4>on him, great, because we all know it's a physical

0:39:08.560 --> 0:39:11.440
<v Speaker 4>game that they're going to play on Sunday. But we

0:39:11.480 --> 0:39:14.239
<v Speaker 4>want to keep our you know, greyhounds, greyhounds, you know,

0:39:14.280 --> 0:39:16.279
<v Speaker 4>we want to keep our big guys big. We don't

0:39:16.280 --> 0:39:20.040
<v Speaker 4>want to try to take away the trait that makes them,

0:39:20.400 --> 0:39:22.680
<v Speaker 4>you know, what they are. And so dj would be

0:39:22.680 --> 0:39:25.719
<v Speaker 4>a great example. He's not the biggest guy in the world,

0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:28.279
<v Speaker 4>but he moves really well, and so we wouldn't want

0:39:28.320 --> 0:39:31.040
<v Speaker 4>to do something in the weight room that would hinder

0:39:31.400 --> 0:39:33.000
<v Speaker 4>his ability to do what he does best.

0:39:34.120 --> 0:39:37.440
<v Speaker 1>You have some behemoths on an NFL roster, How do

0:39:37.480 --> 0:39:41.760
<v Speaker 1>you determine ideal body weight for a guy that's that big.

0:39:42.760 --> 0:39:43.279
<v Speaker 5>It's tough.

0:39:43.400 --> 0:39:46.160
<v Speaker 4>You know. We got a lot of data over the

0:39:46.239 --> 0:39:50.320
<v Speaker 4>years of different guys and by position and what they weigh,

0:39:50.360 --> 0:39:53.960
<v Speaker 4>and everyone's different, right, So you know, if you play

0:39:54.520 --> 0:39:56.800
<v Speaker 4>offensive line, you don't have to be three hundred and

0:39:56.800 --> 0:39:59.759
<v Speaker 4>thirty pounds, you know, but we would like to see

0:39:59.760 --> 0:40:03.920
<v Speaker 4>our O lignement three hundred plus depending on what position

0:40:03.960 --> 0:40:06.720
<v Speaker 4>they play in the O line obviously is another factor.

0:40:07.680 --> 0:40:11.759
<v Speaker 4>And then where the player feels most comfortable and how

0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:13.000
<v Speaker 4>well do they move at that weight?

0:40:13.440 --> 0:40:17.480
<v Speaker 5>Right, So bigger is better if they can move the same.

0:40:17.600 --> 0:40:20.680
<v Speaker 4>So you know, I always say I never want to

0:40:20.680 --> 0:40:22.879
<v Speaker 4>put on size at the expense for how well they move.

0:40:23.680 --> 0:40:27.080
<v Speaker 4>How we determine that, it's there's a number of things

0:40:27.080 --> 0:40:27.399
<v Speaker 4>we do.

0:40:27.520 --> 0:40:30.160
<v Speaker 5>We do body fat calculations.

0:40:30.920 --> 0:40:34.239
<v Speaker 4>And parameters by position, and we give all of our

0:40:34.239 --> 0:40:36.239
<v Speaker 4>players in a signed weight when they leave here for

0:40:36.280 --> 0:40:39.359
<v Speaker 4>the summertime and then they come back. But body weight

0:40:39.440 --> 0:40:42.080
<v Speaker 4>is something we track weekly here at the Bengals.

0:40:42.960 --> 0:40:46.440
<v Speaker 1>Is there an exercise or a test of some sort

0:40:46.520 --> 0:40:52.160
<v Speaker 1>that you think is the best gauge of athleticism.

0:40:52.360 --> 0:40:55.239
<v Speaker 4>I'd say pull ups, you know, being able to being

0:40:55.280 --> 0:40:57.600
<v Speaker 4>able to handle your own body weight, right, And so

0:40:57.840 --> 0:41:02.080
<v Speaker 4>in my experience. You're you're talking about your fastest guys

0:41:02.160 --> 0:41:04.320
<v Speaker 4>are gonna be able to do the most pull ups generally.

0:41:05.560 --> 0:41:08.000
<v Speaker 4>Also to being able to handle your own body weight

0:41:08.400 --> 0:41:11.280
<v Speaker 4>is a big deal. There's a number of different exercise

0:41:11.320 --> 0:41:15.600
<v Speaker 4>I'm a big single leg guy for their lower body, right,

0:41:16.640 --> 0:41:18.880
<v Speaker 4>and so we do a lot of split squats or

0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:22.960
<v Speaker 4>single leg stuff in the weight room to help, you know,

0:41:23.080 --> 0:41:25.720
<v Speaker 4>maximize their ability on the field.

0:41:27.080 --> 0:41:31.360
<v Speaker 1>Describe the meaning of FAT as in p H a.

0:41:31.520 --> 0:41:37.520
<v Speaker 4>T physical hungry, accountable teammate. And so that's something that

0:41:39.440 --> 0:41:41.640
<v Speaker 4>we came up with the first first year here. That

0:41:41.719 --> 0:41:44.359
<v Speaker 4>was the first team meeting, I believe, was that what

0:41:44.520 --> 0:41:48.279
<v Speaker 4>is a Bengal physical, hungry, accountable teammate who was willing

0:41:48.280 --> 0:41:49.839
<v Speaker 4>to do anything to get the job done.

0:41:50.360 --> 0:41:52.239
<v Speaker 5>And so you can see we put on the wall

0:41:52.280 --> 0:41:53.960
<v Speaker 5>in the weight room.

0:41:54.440 --> 0:41:57.399
<v Speaker 4>The FAT acronym just kind of came if we weren't

0:41:57.400 --> 0:42:00.279
<v Speaker 4>thinking that at the beginning, but it's kind of turned

0:42:00.280 --> 0:42:04.760
<v Speaker 4>into that, and that's something that that our scouting department,

0:42:05.080 --> 0:42:08.759
<v Speaker 4>our coaches, our strength staff, we put a premium on it.

0:42:08.760 --> 0:42:12.000
<v Speaker 5>Guys, being physical, hungry, accountable teammate.

0:42:13.040 --> 0:42:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Your job has become very high tech. How do you

0:42:16.040 --> 0:42:19.960
<v Speaker 1>keep up with the latest advancements in technology and analytics

0:42:20.000 --> 0:42:21.200
<v Speaker 1>and everything else involved.

0:42:21.719 --> 0:42:23.560
<v Speaker 4>You know, there is a lot of stuff. It's changed

0:42:23.560 --> 0:42:25.840
<v Speaker 4>tremendously since since when I played.

0:42:25.920 --> 0:42:27.360
<v Speaker 5>I mean, we didn't have any of this stuff.

0:42:27.640 --> 0:42:32.399
<v Speaker 4>I'd even say in the last geez five seven five

0:42:32.440 --> 0:42:35.560
<v Speaker 4>to seven years. It's it's really, you know, changed with

0:42:35.600 --> 0:42:37.600
<v Speaker 4>the tracking units and what we can do with the

0:42:37.640 --> 0:42:41.040
<v Speaker 4>Tendo units and stuff in the weight room. You know,

0:42:41.400 --> 0:42:44.560
<v Speaker 4>we are looking into all this stuff constantly, We're reading

0:42:44.600 --> 0:42:47.960
<v Speaker 4>about it constantly. But I also think you've got to

0:42:47.960 --> 0:42:50.680
<v Speaker 4>be able to trust your instincts and what you see

0:42:51.000 --> 0:42:54.560
<v Speaker 4>with your eyes and have some of the technology confirm that.

0:42:55.840 --> 0:42:57.960
<v Speaker 4>We don't want to go too far down the analytics

0:42:58.360 --> 0:43:00.279
<v Speaker 4>track where we're missing something right now in front of

0:43:00.320 --> 0:43:04.680
<v Speaker 4>our eyes. But it has been the Catapult system for

0:43:04.800 --> 0:43:08.760
<v Speaker 4>us has been tremendous for how we practice and giving

0:43:08.840 --> 0:43:11.279
<v Speaker 4>us a gauge of how hard a practice is for

0:43:11.360 --> 0:43:12.160
<v Speaker 4>our team.

0:43:12.800 --> 0:43:15.880
<v Speaker 1>Final thing for Bengal Strength and Conditioning coach Joey Bose,

0:43:16.680 --> 0:43:19.600
<v Speaker 1>I have a piece of a goal post from nineteen

0:43:19.719 --> 0:43:23.279
<v Speaker 1>ninety nine when the UC Bearcats were not very good.

0:43:23.360 --> 0:43:29.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh boy, but they upset ninth ranked Wisconsin at Nippert Stadium.

0:43:29.520 --> 0:43:33.040
<v Speaker 1>Doug Rossfeld, who is Zach Taylor's right hand man with

0:43:33.120 --> 0:43:36.680
<v Speaker 1>Cincinnati starting center in that game, the fans stormed the field.

0:43:36.680 --> 0:43:38.640
<v Speaker 1>They tore down the goal post. I got a chunk.

0:43:39.239 --> 0:43:41.800
<v Speaker 1>What do you remember about that day at Nippert Stadium?

0:43:41.800 --> 0:43:44.440
<v Speaker 1>If anything, it.

0:43:44.440 --> 0:43:46.440
<v Speaker 5>Was not a good bus ride home. I know that.

0:43:46.600 --> 0:43:49.560
<v Speaker 5>I know we we were. That was my sophomore year.

0:43:50.760 --> 0:43:53.040
<v Speaker 4>We were ride and high and we came in maybe

0:43:53.040 --> 0:43:55.160
<v Speaker 4>it was week three or fours early in the season.

0:43:54.840 --> 0:43:56.360
<v Speaker 5>I believe, And.

0:43:57.719 --> 0:44:00.880
<v Speaker 4>I just remember you guys, we just have any answers.

0:44:01.239 --> 0:44:03.920
<v Speaker 4>It was like you were throwing to the little slot receiver.

0:44:04.120 --> 0:44:07.239
<v Speaker 4>Was there a Chapman or I don't remember yet there

0:44:07.320 --> 0:44:10.279
<v Speaker 4>was a Chapman, Okay, but yeah, it was not a

0:44:10.280 --> 0:44:11.160
<v Speaker 4>good bus right home.

0:44:11.200 --> 0:44:13.040
<v Speaker 5>That was a I think that might have been our

0:44:13.080 --> 0:44:14.200
<v Speaker 5>only loss that season.

0:44:14.719 --> 0:44:18.240
<v Speaker 1>You lost the next week against Michigan and then didn't

0:44:18.280 --> 0:44:21.600
<v Speaker 1>lose again. Okay, And that was your second Rose Bowl.

0:44:21.400 --> 0:44:23.040
<v Speaker 5>Year Cincinnati and Michigan.

0:44:25.880 --> 0:44:27.840
<v Speaker 1>It all turned out well and Ron Dane won the

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<v Speaker 1>Heisman that year.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Yeah, that was a good year for us at

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<v Speaker 4>the end, but it didn't start so good.

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<v Speaker 1>Joey, this has been fun. Congratulations on your success today.

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<v Speaker 1>You've been a big reason why the Bengals have been

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<v Speaker 1>so good in recent years, and I look forward to

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<v Speaker 1>chatting again down the road.

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<v Speaker 5>Appreciate it. Thank you, Dan.

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