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Speaker 1: Hi, gain everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth Podcast. The future is us to see. Addition,

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Speaker 1: as I talked to Sports Illustrated senior writer Connor Orr

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Speaker 1: about his bold predictions that the Bengals will win the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl this year with MVP quarterback Joe Burrow. Plus,

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Speaker 1: I'll talk to rookie receiver Charlie Jones about the origin

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Speaker 1: of his Chuck Sizzle nickname, and then I'll introduce you

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Speaker 1: to an unsung hero in turning the Bengals into Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl contenders, strengthen conditioning coach Joey Bose. The Bengals Booth

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Speaker 1: to the NFL. Now, let's get to my first guest.

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Speaker 1: This week, Connor Or from Sports Illustrated came out with

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Speaker 1: a list of one hundred bold predictions for the upcoming

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Speaker 1: NFL season. Four of the one hundred involved the Bengals,

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Speaker 1: including his pick of Cincinnati over San Francisco to win

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Connor, you have come out with one

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Speaker 1: hundred bold predictions for the upcoming NFL season. Some are

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Speaker 1: tongue in cheek, most of them are pretty serious. Let's

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Speaker 1: start with number one, The Bengals will defeat the forty

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Speaker 1: nine ers in Super Bowl fifty eight. How did you

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Speaker 1: land on Cincinnati and San Francisco making it and then

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Speaker 2: Think these two teams' best best in body. This trend

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Speaker 2: that I've been seeing in not just football, but in

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Speaker 2: sports as a whole, and that is, if you're aligned

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Speaker 2: with your training staff, with everything, you tend to have

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Speaker 2: especially with the Bengals. You know everyone will make fun of, oh,

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Speaker 2: doesn't exist in other departments between your scouting staff and

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Speaker 2: see they get hit with a big wave of injuries,

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Speaker 2: I think that they have better players that we don't

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Speaker 2: if that makes sense. And forty nine ers similarly, right,

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Speaker 2: they blow you away with their depth and there you

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Speaker 1: What did you think of the Bengals' free agent moves

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Speaker 2: I think it has you know, to me, it's funny

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Speaker 2: five free agents spending team almost every season, and the

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Speaker 2: I think specifically to be like, we're here to make

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Speaker 1: So prediction number one Bengals over forty nine ers in

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Speaker 1: that Joe Burrow will win his first MVP Award. Now

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Speaker 1: So this is not a wildly bold prediction, but I'm

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Speaker 1: intrigued by the sentence Joe Burrow will win his first

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Speaker 1: his career. How boldly do you consider this prediction that

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow is going to be this year's MVP.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I thought that was kind of one

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Speaker 2: Mahomes is going to win the MVP Award, But I

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Speaker 2: I think it'll be the first of many. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Like somebody that will be able to play the game

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Speaker 2: between there. He's functionally mobile, he's smart, he's committed determine

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Speaker 1: For sure. You came to Cincinnati to do that cover

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Speaker 2: Just how you know, and it's such a cliche, but

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Speaker 3: Know, But within that, I thought that there was a

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Speaker 2: Mutual respect, you know, respectful of my time, which is

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Speaker 2: but and just this mutual consideration. I'm not someone that's

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Speaker 3: And you know, I just thought just.

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Speaker 1: on Burrow wasn't just about Burrow. There was plenty of

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Speaker 1: other Bengals stuff in there, including some great stuff about

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Speaker 1: working and living in Cincinnati. There was a great anecdote

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, some of my best friends live

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Speaker 2: it's fostered this sort of really good relationship, and not

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Speaker 2: every coach has that where you're comfortable and you can

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Speaker 1: Let's get back to your one hundred bold predictions. Prediction

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Speaker 1: number ninety three, Joe Burrow will do something cool with

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Speaker 1: his contract so that the Bengals can re sign all

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Speaker 1: of his wide receiver friends. Keeping Burrow, Chase, and Higgins

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Speaker 1: is probably going to cost about one hundred million dollars

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Speaker 2: I think anything is feasible within the salary cap. I'm

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Speaker 2: a believer in what a lot of agents have told me.

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Speaker 2: And granted this is agents right, and they want to

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Speaker 2: but that the salary cap is ultimately sort of the

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Speaker 2: best excuse that any GM or owner has in modern times, right.

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Speaker 2: And there are teams who are willing to work around it,

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Speaker 2: work through it, spend the money now whatever you know,

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Speaker 2: however you want to structure, and there are teams that

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Speaker 1: What might something cool be?

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Speaker 1: All right, final thing for Connor Or from Sports Illustrated

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Speaker 1: Bold Prediction number ninety two, The love of your life

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Speaker 1: Some of Connor's one hundred bold predictions are tongue in cheek,

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Speaker 1: rookies arrived in Cincinnati with a great nickname, Chuck Sizzle.

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Speaker 1: That's what Purdue fans started calling wide receiver Charlie Jones.

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Speaker 1: Are you old enough to really remember his Bengals career?

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Speaker 6: It started my first game last year at Purdue Gus Johnson.

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Speaker 1: We're visiting the Charlie Jones. You've got the number fifteen,

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Speaker 1: that was your Purdue number. I think you were sixteen

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Speaker 1: So your Purdue quarterback in childhood buddy Aiden is with

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Speaker 6: it to my toolbox.

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Speaker 1: So we're chatting like forty five minutes after practice ended

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Speaker 1: and you just walked into the locker room. Are you

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Speaker 1: grinding well after practice stops?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, definitely got a lot of things that need to

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Speaker 6: work on.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 6: I feel like I'm in the position I am today

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Speaker 6: because of the hard work. So so that's not changing

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Speaker 6: at all.

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Speaker 1: What's Coach Walter's been like, it's.

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Speaker 6: Been awesome, just another guy to learn from, really really

449
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Speaker 6: breaks it down, makes it makes it simple for for

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Speaker 6: the new guys, and just really been helping us ever

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Speaker 6: since we we got drafted. He's been, you know, helping

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Speaker 6: us the whole time. So it's been awesome being a

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Speaker 6: room and he's someone that's done it, you know, which

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Speaker 6: is awesome. So he's got a lot of knowledge, and

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Speaker 6: same thing with with the other guys in the room.

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Speaker 6: Just been learning, taking new things.

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Speaker 1: week is with Bengal's strength and conditioning coach Joey Bose.

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Speaker 1: Joey has been in that role since Zach Taylor arrived

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Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, and, like the Bengals head coach, Bose

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Speaker 1: was an outstanding college football player before getting into coaching.

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Speaker 1: Joe your story is really interesting to me because before

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Speaker 1: you got into strength and conditioning coaching, you had quite

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Speaker 1: a playing career. You run back to back rose ball

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Speaker 1: winning teams at Wisconsin. You spent four years in the

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Speaker 1: Canadian Football League. You were a CFL All Star. How

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Speaker 1: unusual are you among your peers in that sense.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I don't know if I'm unusual. I was lucky

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Speaker 4: when I was younger, you know, to go to the

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Speaker 4: University of Wisconsin, be around some great coaches and be

482
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Speaker 4: on some really good football teams. And then I was

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Speaker 4: one of those guys that wanted to play in the NFL.

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Speaker 4: And maybe it was a step slow or a little

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Speaker 4: bit too small to do that.

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Speaker 5: So I went up to the Canadian.

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Speaker 4: Football League and played up there for you know, four years,

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Speaker 4: And really, I think my experience as a player has helped.

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Speaker 5: Me in the field of work I'm in.

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Speaker 1: Now, were you in any NFL tryout camps? Did you

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Speaker 1: get a shot with anybody? You know?

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Speaker 4: I after my second year in the CFL, I mean

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Speaker 4: the All Star team up there, and I had a

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Speaker 4: couple you know, late now looking back at it, late December,

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Speaker 4: early January workouts with teams, But no, I was never

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Speaker 4: on an NFL roster.

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Speaker 1: You played with Ron Daine when he won the Heisman Trophy.

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Speaker 1: Who are some of the best guys you played with

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Speaker 1: and against?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Wow?

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Speaker 4: With you know, Ron Daine was a great player. Chris

503
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Speaker 4: Chambers was a wide receiver. He went in the second round.

504
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Speaker 4: He was a really good pro for Miami. Jamar Fletcher

505
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Speaker 4: was a year older than me, played corner. He won

506
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Speaker 4: the Jim Thorpe his junior year.

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Speaker 5: He was a first round draft pick. Those are a

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Speaker 5: couple of skill guys that were really good.

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Speaker 4: Michael Bennett, the running back for Minnesota, played with Michael

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Speaker 4: for a year against you know, I was obviously Tom

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Speaker 4: Brady was probably the best player.

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Speaker 5: Looking back at it, it was his I guess it

513
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Speaker 5: was his senior year.

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Speaker 4: He was split in time with a guy named Drew Henson,

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Speaker 4: and Drew Brees played against.

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Speaker 5: Him a couple of times.

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Speaker 1: Is it Purdue?

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Speaker 5: So I was in.

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Speaker 4: That old you know, late nineties, Big ten, early two thousands.

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Speaker 5: There's some good players that back then.

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Speaker 1: I know you had seven picks in college. I think

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Speaker 1: maybe that was the CFL. It's not seven picks somewhere.

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Speaker 1: I'll take it.

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Speaker 4: That might be a little generous generous, but I'll take seven.

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Speaker 5: Sure. That sounds good to me.

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Speaker 1: Did you get anybody good like Brady? Anybody stand up?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 5: I don't think so.

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Speaker 4: I had a scoop and score against Indiana, but I

530
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Speaker 4: think we're getting beat pretty bad that game.

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Speaker 5: So I don't.

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Speaker 4: Antoine Randall L maybe was a quarterback, but I don't

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Speaker 4: know if I got any.

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Speaker 5: Of those good guys.

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Speaker 1: Antoine Randall L gave the Bengals fits when he was

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Speaker 1: a Pittsburgh Steeler. But in any case, there visiting with

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Speaker 1: Joey Bose. You're from southern California. How did you wind

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Speaker 1: up in Madison, Wisconsin?

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Speaker 4: You know, I went to I was real lucky growing up.

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Speaker 4: I went to Modern Day High School, which had a

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Speaker 4: tremendous still does, tremendous football program, great sports growing up

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Speaker 4: in Orange County.

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Speaker 5: There.

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Speaker 4: I went to mad and got recruited by a couple

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Speaker 4: of schools coming out, and after my junior year, Wisconsin

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Speaker 4: offered me a scholarship and we took a summer trip

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Speaker 4: going into my senior year there and really fell in

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Speaker 4: love with the campus and the coaching staff and committed.

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Speaker 4: I guess midway maybe November through my senior year, and

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Speaker 4: I would do it all over again. I was very

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Speaker 4: lucky to pick the University of Wisconsin. Anything stand out

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Speaker 4: about those two Rose Bowl wins? You know, I was

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Speaker 4: a young guy, was a true freshman my first year,

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Speaker 4: so going back to California was big because when I

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Speaker 4: committed to Wisconsin, I had a lot of buddies and

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Speaker 4: friends around the neighborhood, you know, saying.

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Speaker 1: What are you doing?

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Speaker 5: Why would you go to Wisconsin.

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Speaker 4: So I think our first year going back, we played Juicecla.

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Speaker 4: That was gratifying, you know, to pick a school, and

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Speaker 4: then I was a special teams kind of dying player.

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Speaker 4: Then my second year, I was the nickel and we

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Speaker 4: actually played Troy Walters Stanford in the Rose Bowl and

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Speaker 4: Troy was Blittan the cough winner.

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Speaker 5: He was the big receiver. We had to stop that game.

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Speaker 4: But I was very fortunate to be around some good players,

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Speaker 4: some good coaches, and we were those first two years

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Speaker 4: pretty good at Wisconsin.

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Speaker 1: So I mentioned you went to the Canadian Football League.

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Speaker 1: You were a Calgary Stampeder. Did you enjoy the CFL?

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Speaker 1: I did.

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Speaker 4: It was fresh out of college. I probably wasn't ready

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Speaker 4: for the working world at that time, and so football

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Speaker 4: in sports was kind of all I knew, and I

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Speaker 4: was lucky I got on Calgary Stampede's.

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Speaker 5: I played up there for four years. I had a

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Speaker 5: good time.

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Speaker 4: It's a little bit different structure than the National Football League.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what it's like now, but back then there.

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Speaker 5: Wasn't an off season.

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Speaker 4: It was showed for training camp and if you were

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Speaker 4: in shape, you had a chance to make the team.

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Speaker 5: But I had met some good people up there and

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Speaker 5: had a good experience.

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow's dad, Jimmy, famously played in the CFL. If

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Speaker 1: you guys traded CFL stories.

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Speaker 5: You know what.

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Speaker 4: I did not know that, but now that I do,

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Speaker 4: maybe i'll bring that up. I saw Jimmy, my brother

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Speaker 4: in law, is now the defense coordinator at Ohio You,

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Speaker 4: and so we went up there for Easter and I

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Speaker 4: saw mister Burrow out of practice and we talked for

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Speaker 4: a little bit.

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Speaker 5: And obviously he's got a big legacy at Ohio You.

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Speaker 5: So I didn't know he played.

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Speaker 1: The cefalough now to discuss the Jimmy Burrow. So your

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Speaker 1: playing career ends, It's time to get a job in

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Speaker 1: the real world. Did I read correctly that you started

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Speaker 1: out selling cars?

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Speaker 4: My father was in the car dealer business, and at

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Speaker 4: that time I kind of thought maybe that's what I

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Speaker 4: wanted to get into, So I started working for my dad.

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Speaker 5: I worked there for three months and was miserable. Two

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Speaker 5: and a half of those months, I realized I had.

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Speaker 4: No passion for what my dad had a passion in

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Speaker 4: and quickly realized that that something in athletics.

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Speaker 5: Was the way I wanted to go.

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Speaker 4: And so I went in and told my dad, Hey,

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Speaker 4: I don't think this is working for me.

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Speaker 5: He said, I thought you would have quit, you know,

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Speaker 5: two months ago.

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Speaker 4: So I got done with that, and then my brother

613
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Speaker 4: in law was a defensive line coach at Importia State University,

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Speaker 4: and so I went there as the safety's coach and

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Speaker 4: assistant strength coach.

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Speaker 5: As a GA.

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Speaker 4: I was there for one semester and then that summer

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Speaker 4: I got a job at the University of Nebraska. And

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Speaker 4: that's really when my coaching career started.

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Speaker 1: And is that when you met Zach.

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Speaker 4: I did meet Zach that year. He was just getting

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Speaker 4: done playing. He was around for maybe the first three

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Speaker 4: or four weeks of the season, and then he went

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Speaker 4: to the CFL. And then the following year we both

625
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Speaker 4: went to Texas A and M University together.

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Speaker 1: So you guys are both kids at that point realistically,

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Speaker 1: did did you think this guy is going places someday?

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Speaker 5: You know, we hit it off right away.

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Speaker 4: It was one of those guys that we had a

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Speaker 4: lot in common, whether we sports or football or whatever.

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Speaker 4: And so we hit it off. And then he went

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Speaker 4: to the CFL. And then the next year he went

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Speaker 4: to Texas A and M as a graduate assistant, and

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Speaker 4: I went there as an assistant strength coach, and two

635
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Speaker 4: young coaches that were Uh he was engaged at the time,

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Speaker 4: but I was single. And we spent a lot of

637
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Speaker 4: a lot of weekends together and and you know, time.

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Speaker 5: Around the office. Uh, those are some good times at

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Speaker 5: Texas A.

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Speaker 1: And now, how did you gravitate towards strength and conditioning

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Speaker 1: as opposed to being a secondary coach or a position coach.

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Speaker 4: You know, I thought I wanted to be a secondary

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Speaker 4: coach when I when I first started in at Nebraska,

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Speaker 4: I was a kind of a they called it video

645
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Speaker 4: intern at the time.

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Speaker 5: It was kind of like a quality control job.

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Speaker 4: And I realized there very quickly that I spent all

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Speaker 4: my waking, like early in the morning or late at night.

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Speaker 5: I was always in the weight room. Uh. I loved

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Speaker 5: the physical aspect of it.

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Speaker 4: I did not enjoy, you know, the three hours of

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Speaker 4: breaking down tape or some of the analytics stuff that

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Speaker 4: these guys do as much as I thought I would,

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Speaker 4: but I did realize I love the preparation of it

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Speaker 4: and on.

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Speaker 5: The field stuff.

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Speaker 4: And so that's really when I realized that Nebraska that

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Speaker 4: hey maybe I'm in the wrong I in the right place,

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Speaker 4: but in the wrong position. And then I went to

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Speaker 4: Texas A and M. I was fortunate the guy, the

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Speaker 4: Dave Kennedy, who was the head strength coach at the

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Speaker 4: University of Resk at the time, we happened to hit

663
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Speaker 4: it off when I was at Wisconsin, he was at

664
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Speaker 4: Ohio State, and so I tend to be in the

665
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 4: weight room a lot during those days and we would,

666
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 4: you know, talk, And so when he got the job

667
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 4: at Texas A and M, he had called me and said, Hey,

668
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 4: I think you'd be pretty good at this.

669
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Speaker 5: Come down.

670
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 4: I'll teach you what you don't know. And I was

671
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 4: very fortunate to get that opportunity.

672
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Speaker 1: We're chatting with Bengals strength and conditioning coach Joey Bose.

673
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: He went from Texas A and M to Fresno State,

674
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: then Illinois and then you got a call from Zach

675
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: to come to Cincinnati when he got the head coaching

676
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: job in twenty nineteen. Did you want an NFL gig?

677
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: Did you want to work with him. What appealed to

678
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: you about this job?

679
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 5: I think both. Obviously, you know, I knew what kind

680
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 5: of guy Zach was.

681
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 4: I knew what kind of leader he was, and so

682
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Speaker 4: when the opportunity to come work for him and to

683
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 4: be a part of his staff came up, you know,

684
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 4: obviously I jumped at that. And you know, the National

685
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 4: Football League is the top, the top, you know, level

686
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 4: of this field, and so as a young coach, when

687
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 4: I was at Fresno State or even Texas A and M,

688
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 4: you know, I always thought what it would be like

689
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 4: to be in the National Football League and be around

690
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 4: the most elite players on the planet. And so, like

691
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 4: I said, when when Zach called me, I was very

692
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 4: very happy to jump on board.

693
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Speaker 1: So you did an interview with my colleague Jeff Hobson

694
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: shortly after taking the job for Bengals dot Com and

695
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: you said, this is before you've worked with any of

696
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: the players or anything. You said, my job is to

697
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: help implement the culture that Zach Taylor is trying to implement,

698
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: which now to me seems amazing that even before all

699
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: of that talk of the Bengals culture had started, that

700
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Speaker 1: was your mission from day one.

701
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think knowing Zach for as long as I've

702
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 4: known him, I think that, like the word culture gets

703
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 4: thrown around a lot, which is kind of the energy

704
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 4: that he wanted in the building on a day to

705
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 4: day basis was important to him and something that that

706
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 4: I feel is very important.

707
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Speaker 5: And so I guess I did say that back back then.

708
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 5: I didn't realize that, but.

709
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 4: You know, I feel like now going into year five,

710
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 4: we've really established what we do, how we do things,

711
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 4: the energy that's in the building, and that starts with

712
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 4: the players that we have in the front office, the

713
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 4: guys that they brought in, the drafted or free agents,

714
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 4: the guys that were already.

715
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:33,719
Speaker 5: Here that are still here. And I'm just really fortunate

716
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Speaker 5: to be a part of it.

717
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: Year one was tough. Year ones are often tough, But

718
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: you started zero to eleven. How'd you get through it?

719
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Speaker 5: Ah, that was tough. You know, I got a great family.

720
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 4: I got three little boys that when I would come home,

721
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 4: you know, they weren't worried about winning a lot losing.

722
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 4: They just want to see Dad, And uh, you know

723
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 4: that that's a big part of it. And I think too,

724
00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 4: like knowing that eventually kind of seeing what's happening now,

725
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 4: Did I see what has happened?

726
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 5: Probably not, you know, I thought we had.

727
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 4: A chance to kind of break through and establish being

728
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 4: a good team. But we stayed the course and we

729
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 4: were very consistent in our approach and what we've done.

730
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 4: You know, Year two wasn't much easier, you know, I

731
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 4: think we went two wins to four wins.

732
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Speaker 5: Uh And then obviously year three was a really big year.

733
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 4: But we take a lot of pride in how we've

734
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 4: done things and the consistency that we've done it. And

735
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 4: I think now we're seeing, you know, all that hard

736
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 4: work payoff.

737
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Speaker 5: A little bit.

738
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Speaker 1: Year three was a good year. That was an understatement.

739
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Speaker 1: As you guys went to the Super Bowl, what was

740
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: the highlight of that experience for you?

741
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 4: Well, I think the playoffs. I think I think getting

742
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 4: to the playoffs and then and then winning that first

743
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 4: playoff game was I know, in this building was a

744
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 4: big deal, you know. And then you know, you're kind

745
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 4: of playing with house money after that, you know, and

746
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 4: then we go to Tennessee and last second kick, and

747
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 4: I just remember vividly, like the locker room, the players

748
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 4: and how happy everybody was. I think those are the

749
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 4: memories when I close my eyes I think.

750
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Speaker 1: About Let's talk a little bit about the current team.

751
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow is noticeably more well defined, I guess would

752
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: be my description of him just from being around these

753
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: OTA periods. Describe working with Joe Burrow.

754
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 5: Joe's great to work with. He is I've said this before.

755
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 4: He's got an elite work ethic and which I don't

756
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 4: think you know. Everyone sees how great he is on Sundays,

757
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 4: and he is, he's a superstar in the league.

758
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 5: But the way he carries himself, his leadership, and then

759
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 5: his work ethic.

760
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 4: I mean, he's a guy that puts in the work

761
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 4: to be as good as he is in every aspect,

762
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Speaker 4: whether it's in the weight room, whether it's his nutrition,

763
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 4: his conditioning, his speed work. Joe really does put in

764
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Speaker 4: the work to be a great quarterback.

765
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Speaker 1: He has a trainer that he's worked with for several years.

766
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 1: Everybody on this team has worked in college weight rooms,

767
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: a lot of great strength coaches and things like that.

768
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,240
Speaker 1: How do you deal with that at the NFL level

769
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: where these guys already have programs that have been successful

770
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Speaker 1: for them.

771
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it comes down to communication and the

772
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,919
Speaker 4: relationship that we have with the players and being able

773
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 4: to talk to them, Hey, what have you done over

774
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 4: the off season? What do you like doing, what do

775
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 4: you not like doing, explaining our program to them and

776
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 4: why we do what we do, and the players buying

777
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 4: has been really good, you know. And during the season

778
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 4: our job is to help make them feel as fast

779
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 4: and as fresh and as strong as they can on Sundays,

780
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 4: and so far we've had a lot of success doing that.

781
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: At the NFL Combine, they measure speed with a forty

782
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: yard dash. How do you guys measure speed?

783
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 5: You know?

784
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 4: We use a catapult system to track our players during

785
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 4: player during practice, and that gives us a number on

786
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 4: how much distance they've run, how fast they're running. A

787
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 4: multitude of different data points that we can look at,

788
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 4: but that's how we measure speed.

789
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 5: And we have a Garrett Swanson, it's our sports science coach.

790
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Speaker 4: He is always on a computer a practice, So if

791
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 4: you ever come to practice, he's on the computer with

792
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 4: a tablet in his hand, so we get instant feedback

793
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 4: of how fast or how well these guys are moving

794
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 4: during practice. That's how we track it during practice, and

795
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 4: then obviously how we communicate it during the week with

796
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 4: our players to make sure on Sunday we're moving good.

797
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: In terms of brute strength, moving mass. Who is the

798
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Speaker 1: strongest player on the.

799
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 5: Team I'm gonna get in trouble?

800
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Speaker 1: Feel free to name a few hurt anybody's feelings.

801
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 4: DJ Readers at the top of the list, BJ Hills

802
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,280
Speaker 4: at the top of the list, Ted Carris, Alex Kappa.

803
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 4: Those are just a few guys that I can name

804
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 4: that that are pretty pretty strong. We have a lot

805
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 4: of a lot of strong players.

806
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 5: But those are just a few. And the fastest another

807
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:04,919
Speaker 5: one that's gonna get me in trouble. Jamar's up there.

808
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 4: T Higgins is up there, Cheetoh is up there, Cam

809
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 4: Taylor Britt is up there. Tyson Anderson would be up there,

810
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 4: Dax Hill would be up there. There's a couple guys

811
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Speaker 4: that are battling for that twenty two mile an hour spot.

812
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Speaker 4: And we've seen, you know, we've seen some really high

813
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 4: speeds over the years, but those are a handful.

814
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 5: We got a really fast team right now, really fast.

815
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 1: And rookie DJ Turner is going to add his name

816
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: to the list, I'm sure after running a four to

817
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Speaker 1: two six forty at the combine. When he came into

818
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: the building, I asked him, are you looking to put

819
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Speaker 1: on some weight get bigger? And he said, well, speed

820
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: is my thing, not necessarily size. So how do you

821
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: balance questions like that?

822
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's a great question. I don't want to

823
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Speaker 4: take away the trait that's got them here, right and

824
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 4: for him at speed, agility and how well he moves. Now,

825
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 4: obviously we want to get him stronger along the way,

826
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 4: and if we can put a little bit of size

827
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 4: on him, great, because we all know it's a physical

828
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 4: game that they're going to play on Sunday. But we

829
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 4: want to keep our you know, greyhounds, greyhounds, you know,

830
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 4: we want to keep our big guys big. We don't

831
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 4: want to try to take away the trait that makes them,

832
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 4: you know, what they are. And so dj would be

833
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 4: a great example. He's not the biggest guy in the world,

834
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Speaker 4: but he moves really well, and so we wouldn't want

835
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Speaker 4: to do something in the weight room that would hinder

836
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Speaker 4: his ability to do what he does best.

837
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Speaker 1: You have some behemoths on an NFL roster, How do

838
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,760
Speaker 1: you determine ideal body weight for a guy that's that big.

839
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 5: It's tough.

840
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 4: You know. We got a lot of data over the

841
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 4: years of different guys and by position and what they weigh,

842
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 4: and everyone's different, right, So you know, if you play

843
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 4: offensive line, you don't have to be three hundred and

844
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 4: thirty pounds, you know, but we would like to see

845
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 4: our O lignement three hundred plus depending on what position

846
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,720
Speaker 4: they play in the O line obviously is another factor.

847
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 4: And then where the player feels most comfortable and how

848
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 4: well do they move at that weight?

849
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 5: Right, So bigger is better if they can move the same.

850
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Speaker 4: So you know, I always say I never want to

851
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 4: put on size at the expense for how well they move.

852
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 4: How we determine that, it's there's a number of things

853
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 4: we do.

854
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 5: We do body fat calculations.

855
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 4: And parameters by position, and we give all of our

856
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 4: players in a signed weight when they leave here for

857
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 4: the summertime and then they come back. But body weight

858
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 4: is something we track weekly here at the Bengals.

859
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: Is there an exercise or a test of some sort

860
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Speaker 1: that you think is the best gauge of athleticism.

861
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 4: I'd say pull ups, you know, being able to being

862
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 4: able to handle your own body weight, right, And so

863
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 4: in my experience. You're you're talking about your fastest guys

864
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 4: are gonna be able to do the most pull ups generally.

865
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Speaker 4: Also to being able to handle your own body weight

866
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 4: is a big deal. There's a number of different exercise

867
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Speaker 4: I'm a big single leg guy for their lower body, right,

868
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 4: and so we do a lot of split squats or

869
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 4: single leg stuff in the weight room to help, you know,

870
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,720
Speaker 4: maximize their ability on the field.

871
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 1: Describe the meaning of FAT as in p H a.

872
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 4: T physical hungry, accountable teammate. And so that's something that

873
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 4: we came up with the first first year here. That

874
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 4: was the first team meeting, I believe, was that what

875
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 4: is a Bengal physical, hungry, accountable teammate who was willing

876
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 4: to do anything to get the job done.

877
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 5: And so you can see we put on the wall

878
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 5: in the weight room.

879
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 4: The FAT acronym just kind of came if we weren't

880
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 4: thinking that at the beginning, but it's kind of turned

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Speaker 4: into that, and that's something that that our scouting department,

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Speaker 4: our coaches, our strength staff, we put a premium on it.

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Speaker 5: Guys, being physical, hungry, accountable teammate.

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Speaker 1: Your job has become very high tech. How do you

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Speaker 1: keep up with the latest advancements in technology and analytics

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Speaker 1: and everything else involved.

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Speaker 4: You know, there is a lot of stuff. It's changed

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Speaker 4: tremendously since since when I played.

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Speaker 5: I mean, we didn't have any of this stuff.

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Speaker 4: I'd even say in the last geez five seven five

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Speaker 4: to seven years. It's it's really, you know, changed with

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Speaker 4: the tracking units and what we can do with the

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Speaker 4: Tendo units and stuff in the weight room. You know,

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Speaker 4: we are looking into all this stuff constantly, We're reading

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Speaker 4: about it constantly. But I also think you've got to

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Speaker 4: be able to trust your instincts and what you see

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Speaker 4: with your eyes and have some of the technology confirm that.

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Speaker 4: We don't want to go too far down the analytics

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Speaker 4: track where we're missing something right now in front of

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Speaker 4: our eyes. But it has been the Catapult system for

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Speaker 4: us has been tremendous for how we practice and giving

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Speaker 4: us a gauge of how hard a practice is for

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Speaker 4: our team.

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Speaker 1: Final thing for Bengal Strength and Conditioning coach Joey Bose,

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Speaker 1: I have a piece of a goal post from nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety nine when the UC Bearcats were not very good.

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, but they upset ninth ranked Wisconsin at Nippert Stadium.

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Speaker 1: Doug Rossfeld, who is Zach Taylor's right hand man with

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati starting center in that game, the fans stormed the field.

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Speaker 1: They tore down the goal post. I got a chunk.

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Speaker 1: What do you remember about that day at Nippert Stadium?

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Speaker 1: If anything, it.

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Speaker 5: Was not a good bus ride home. I know that.

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Speaker 5: I know we we were. That was my sophomore year.

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Speaker 4: We were ride and high and we came in maybe

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Speaker 4: it was week three or fours early in the season.

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Speaker 5: I believe, And.

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Speaker 4: I just remember you guys, we just have any answers.

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Speaker 4: It was like you were throwing to the little slot receiver.

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Speaker 4: Was there a Chapman or I don't remember yet there

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Speaker 4: was a Chapman, Okay, but yeah, it was not a

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Speaker 4: good bus right home.

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Speaker 5: That was a I think that might have been our

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Speaker 5: only loss that season.

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Speaker 1: You lost the next week against Michigan and then didn't

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Speaker 1: lose again. Okay, And that was your second Rose Bowl.

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Speaker 5: Year Cincinnati and Michigan.

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Speaker 1: It all turned out well and Ron Dane won the

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Speaker 1: Heisman that year.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, that was a good year for us at

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Speaker 4: the end, but it didn't start so good.

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Speaker 1: Joey, this has been fun. Congratulations on your success today.

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Speaker 1: You've been a big reason why the Bengals have been

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Speaker 1: so good in recent years, and I look forward to

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Speaker 1: chatting again down the road.

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Speaker 5: Appreciate it. Thank you, Dan.

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