Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys
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Speaker 1: from deep within the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the
Speaker 1: Star in Fresco, Dallas Cowboys Selectio Elliott and now your
Speaker 1: hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us. Welcome
Speaker 1: to the Draft show here in the SWBC Mortgage Studios.
Speaker 1: As the Big Boys guy said, Brian brought us with
Speaker 1: my scouting buddy, Dane Brugler. Day, David Hellman is out
Speaker 1: on assignment. We'll welcome him back next week as we
Speaker 1: make our trip to the Senior Bowl. Welcome, my friend.
Speaker 1: Good to see you again. Hard to believe the All
Speaker 1: Star season is here. We've the Shrine games going on
Speaker 1: this week, NFLPA Collegia Bowl. Also this week we have
Speaker 1: a couple of All Star games already done, the College
Speaker 1: Gridirons Showcase, the Tropical Bowl, a few others. So but
Speaker 1: the big one as you mentioned next week in Mobile. Yeah,
Speaker 1: eager to get down there. And how many Senior Bowls
Speaker 1: for you? Well, I've been going to him since nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety two. Quite a few. Yeah. And Phil Savage and
Speaker 1: his staff, Phil former general manager Cleveland Browns with with
Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens, and he does a great job of
Speaker 1: putting together a roster. And I want to get into that, Dane,
Speaker 1: I really do, because as you said, we're gonna go
Speaker 1: the whole crew is gonna be down there Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: dot Com. Dane, like I said, we're gonna be doing
Speaker 1: shows down there Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday from Mobile. Looking forward
Speaker 1: to that as always. But I want to get into
Speaker 1: some things, Dane, about the game itself, things that you're
Speaker 1: looking at. Rosters are due out today at noon, but
Speaker 1: you and I have a really good idea of who
Speaker 1: is going to be on this roster. Are on both
Speaker 1: teams roster North South coached by the Houston Texans and
Speaker 1: the Texans South and then the Denver Broncos is the
Speaker 1: other one. So yeah, well we'll see that. We'll be
Speaker 1: a part of that. But I want to I want
Speaker 1: to pick your brain again on these on the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl and things that you're looking forward to. You know,
Speaker 1: I'll see if I share some of the same ideas
Speaker 1: that you have. Okay, Yeah, And I'm actually working on
Speaker 1: a piece of ten storylines that I'm really focusing on
Speaker 1: and so we'll kind of we'll go over some of those.
Speaker 1: One I want to talk about as Marcus Davenport yea,
Speaker 1: the pass rusher we've talked about before from UT san Antonio,
Speaker 1: the basketball background, big athlete, he's powerful. It doesn't quite
Speaker 1: know what he's doing yet, but just from a trades perspective,
Speaker 1: hard not to be excited about what he can do.
Speaker 1: I think he has a chance to make a lot
Speaker 1: of money at Mobile during the week we've In my
Speaker 1: mock draft, I had him going top fifteen. He needs
Speaker 1: a big week in Mobile to kind of cement that
Speaker 1: status and prove that he belongs in that mid first
Speaker 1: round discussion. So plenty for him to gain next week.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna We're not gonna worry about him testing
Speaker 1: well at the combine. Are Wait? No, not at all.
Speaker 1: See that's something some now people and UT san Antonio play.
Speaker 1: They play good football, ye play. Really, they played good coaches,
Speaker 1: good coaches down there. Everything's well done down there. So
Speaker 1: this is not a kid it's coming from a no
Speaker 1: name program that's going to have to try and elevate
Speaker 1: his game. I think people have gone through there. You know,
Speaker 1: you've seen his talent. Dane's absolutely right. You're talking about
Speaker 1: a six six, two hundred and fifty two pound. Be
Speaker 1: interesting to see what he weighs. There's times I've seen
Speaker 1: his weight fluctuate from like two thirty eight to two
Speaker 1: fifty two. It'll be interesting to see if if you
Speaker 1: know this, his season ended, you know, in December, and
Speaker 1: now he's had this time to get ready for this
Speaker 1: football game. And you're right, this is a big, big
Speaker 1: time for him to showcase some of the things people
Speaker 1: if you evaluate him, there's people that have him as
Speaker 1: a defensive end, hand down defensive end. But when you
Speaker 1: watch his tape in San Antonio, he plays into two
Speaker 1: point stance primarily, so three four teams will be able
Speaker 1: to evaluate him there. But now you're going to see
Speaker 1: him have some pass rushes against guys with potentially with
Speaker 1: his hand down and that should satisfy the four three
Speaker 1: teams that are interested in him. Right, And so you know,
Speaker 1: people unfamiliar with the Senior Bowl and how that works,
Speaker 1: it's all base four three, right, you know, they don't
Speaker 1: do they don't use different blitzes, they don't use three fours.
Speaker 1: They just use a base four three during practice during
Speaker 1: the games, so we'll see him with his hand on
Speaker 1: the ground almost every snap. And credit to him. You know,
Speaker 1: he's probably seen his name pop up in first round
Speaker 1: mock drafts, right, he's you know, heard on social media
Speaker 1: people call him a first round pick. But credit to him.
Speaker 1: He's going to the Senior Bowl with a chance to
Speaker 1: prove something. Maurice Hearst, on the other end, not going
Speaker 1: to Mobile, right, and it's hard to blame him. You know,
Speaker 1: Christian Wilkins goes back to school at Clemson. Maurice Hearst
Speaker 1: is pretty much that clear top three technique in this draft. Yes,
Speaker 1: he's not gonna he's no longer going to Mobile. I
Speaker 1: understand it. I would have really liked to see him
Speaker 1: down there. But for a certain extent, I understand it.
Speaker 1: Some of the best three technique work I've ever seen
Speaker 1: was Aaron Donald where. Yeah, and like a lot of people,
Speaker 1: you can watch the pit tape at him and see
Speaker 1: him against Martin, good competition, but yeah, you watched him
Speaker 1: against Zack Martin every day, and that was a battle.
Speaker 1: I mean, that was two all pro players going at
Speaker 1: it every single day they're at practice. And you've liked
Speaker 1: to have seen Hurst who's a guy that you know,
Speaker 1: we'll get into a little bit later about your mock
Speaker 1: draft you you uh, you know, I don't mean to
Speaker 1: spoil the t's but you know, stay tuned about Maurice
Speaker 1: Hurst and the information you have there. Okay, I do
Speaker 1: agree with you about Davenport. What else you're thinking about
Speaker 1: there at at the game? Uh, UCF they've got three
Speaker 1: players that would be there. Yeah, And there's a lot
Speaker 1: of chatter about UCF and the national title and the
Speaker 1: feated season blah blah blah. But in terms of their
Speaker 1: pro prospects, they're gonna be well represented. Yeah, on draft
Speaker 1: weekend and they're gonna have three guys and from Central
Speaker 1: Florida at the Senior Bowl with a chance to really
Speaker 1: kind of show that. And the best player prospect from
Speaker 1: that program isn't there because he's a junior. Mike Hughes
Speaker 1: the corner. Yeah. So the players that will be there
Speaker 1: Shakiem Griffin the linebacker, Jordan Nakins the tight end, and
Speaker 1: tree Kwon Smith the wide receiver. You and I both
Speaker 1: we watched the tape on Shakim Griffin together and it's
Speaker 1: so hard not to just love the kid absolutely, you know,
Speaker 1: We talked about a little bit on the last draft
Speaker 1: show what he's had to overcome with not having the
Speaker 1: use of his left hand. And it's a birth defect
Speaker 1: if you're listening for the first time, right exactly had
Speaker 1: to have an amputated at the age of four. But
Speaker 1: everything he's overcome. And I think one thing that does
Speaker 1: show is it's not like he lost his hand two
Speaker 1: years ago. R had to relearn how to p. It's
Speaker 1: all he's ever known, right, So I think that does
Speaker 1: play a part in the evaluation. The biggest thing with
Speaker 1: Griffin is figuring out his role. Right. I think at
Speaker 1: the very worst, I think he could be a special
Speaker 1: teams guy, a guy that just flies down the field,
Speaker 1: looks to take out walkers, uh and just make a difference.
Speaker 1: Can he play a role on defense? Is sub package
Speaker 1: role as a blitzer? What kind of role is he
Speaker 1: going to be? I think the senior rowl will help
Speaker 1: kind of show that. But I think he's going to
Speaker 1: be one of the names we hear a lot about
Speaker 1: next week. You know, I mentioned Taekwon Smith though I
Speaker 1: really liked watching him play. Here's a six one, two
Speaker 1: hundred ten pound guy, looks like he plays faster than
Speaker 1: four or five six. I know that's his time speed there,
Speaker 1: But I've got a comparison for him when you're when
Speaker 1: you're done with your Yeah, yeah, I just feel like
Speaker 1: that this guy's got to burst the ability of just
Speaker 1: he's physical off the line, a little bit sometimes of cradle.
Speaker 1: I don't want to worry people there. He's not. He's
Speaker 1: not a Terrence Williams, you know, type of a cradle
Speaker 1: and body catches. He does have some body catches, but
Speaker 1: when he catches it, he'll get north south in a hurry.
Speaker 1: And and you know there's things about here's I'm trying
Speaker 1: to find guys that can separate. I'm trying to find
Speaker 1: guys that can get down the field. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: find guys that will catch the football, you know, and
Speaker 1: be a little bit different again if you're a team.
Speaker 1: And again, we try and keep the draft show very
Speaker 1: much an open conversation. Yes, we all work for the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys, you know, when we know the Cowboys need
Speaker 1: they could use a player down the field, a down
Speaker 1: the field guy that can separate. So we will see
Speaker 1: if in fact, but I think Taekwon Smith will be
Speaker 1: a guy that when you look at the receiving corps
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl. He's a guy that his name
Speaker 1: might jump out the three days that we're evaluating. I agree,
Speaker 1: A big physical you know who reminds me of is
Speaker 1: Alan Robinson. There you go at a Penn State with
Speaker 1: the Yeah, people love Alan Robins. The guy is not
Speaker 1: going to run really well, but he can. He attacks
Speaker 1: the ball in the air right and he could be
Speaker 1: a deep threat, a big play guy. I did my
Speaker 1: evaluation on Taquan Smith finished up the tape work. He
Speaker 1: had forty one catches over his career of twenty plus yards. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that says something absolutely good. Question and so that
Speaker 1: you see program more than just uh, you know, fun
Speaker 1: to talk about as being an undefeated team even a
Speaker 1: lower conference. They have legit NFL. Their tape was outstanding
Speaker 1: to watch. Yeah, every player that I had the chance
Speaker 1: to watch, and again we talk about that the corner
Speaker 1: there use and and I you know, he is legitimately
Speaker 1: and I and I bumped into some scouts this morning
Speaker 1: that we're raving about him as well. You know, the
Speaker 1: guys that were were here and I just had breakfast
Speaker 1: with and that's one of the great advantages about working
Speaker 1: in this building. Every once in a while you could
Speaker 1: sit down and have a cheese omelet with a with
Speaker 1: a scout and you know, I felt like though, you know,
Speaker 1: I asked about him and it is like, no, this
Speaker 1: these these are is a legitimate guy. Is a legitimate
Speaker 1: corner prospect that you have to consider. We've talked about
Speaker 1: the kid from Ohio State, uh Ward right, if I'm
Speaker 1: if I met Denzel Ward right? Yeah, not mistaken about him,
Speaker 1: but yeah, absolutely another thing that you maybe thinking about here. Well,
Speaker 1: while we're talking about Trekaan Smith the receiver, I think
Speaker 1: the another storyline I'll be looking at during practice is
Speaker 1: the siver position as a whole. YEA, will these seniors
Speaker 1: kind of show some separation between each other. I think
Speaker 1: we know we've had a lot of different styles from
Speaker 1: James Washington to Marcel Aitman, the New Mexico State kid.
Speaker 1: So I think there's plenty of different styles of wide receivers.
Speaker 1: Which one's really going to show out the best in
Speaker 1: this type of setting. You look at these wide receivers
Speaker 1: on the roster. DJ Chark, Marcel Aitman, Javon Wims, James Washington,
Speaker 1: Darren Carrington. I mentioned New Mexico State kid, Juial Scott,
Speaker 1: Rick Wilson, Michael Gallup, Alan Lazar, Jamon Moore. So yeah,
Speaker 1: the wide receivers, they're kind of bunched together. They are
Speaker 1: from the second to the fourth round, fifth round probably
Speaker 1: who's going to really separate themselves? Like James Washington A
Speaker 1: big chance for him on tape the routes. He needs
Speaker 1: a lot of work there, but he catches everything. That's
Speaker 1: just everything. And he's another one of those get down
Speaker 1: the field exactly, can take the top off a defense,
Speaker 1: tracks the ball really well. So which one of these
Speaker 1: receivers are going to separate themselves? One name I did
Speaker 1: not mention unfortunately Anthony Miller from Memphis. He will not
Speaker 1: be at the Senior Bowl, but still plenty of talented wideouts.
Speaker 1: Michael Gallop from Colorado State. Yeah, I want to get
Speaker 1: into him a little bit about Michael Gallup, and I
Speaker 1: know that Jeff Cavanaugh, who does work with us and
Speaker 1: with Kim and Kevin Turner, Michael Gallop to him as
Speaker 1: a first round type of a player. That is saying
Speaker 1: something I think that's important. I mean, the reports I
Speaker 1: had on Michael Gallup though, is what I saw. I
Speaker 1: mean He's a contested ball catcher. He'll settle down for
Speaker 1: the ball good with the ball in his hands, he
Speaker 1: can adjust for it. He'll go low for it. He
Speaker 1: can run deeper routes. I mean, you see him get
Speaker 1: down the field. He could push to get off space
Speaker 1: and to get space. You know, he could run through
Speaker 1: double teams. I've seen him take routes inside. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things about Michael Gallop will be
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl. He's a wide receiver from Colorado State.
Speaker 1: Dane's talking about guys that need to separate. You mentioned
Speaker 1: Scott from New Mexico State. His best games were against
Speaker 1: big time competition Arizona State and Arkansas. How will he
Speaker 1: take to the pro coaching, you know, how will he
Speaker 1: be able to adjust? Will things be too big for
Speaker 1: him on this stage. I can't believe that it would be,
Speaker 1: because his two best games were against you know, against
Speaker 1: big time competition. Right, So, yeah, you're absolutely right about
Speaker 1: those guys. This might be some guy though, just as
Speaker 1: the receivers go the separation though, there might be some
Speaker 1: guy that we're not thinking about. You know, it might
Speaker 1: have all of a sudden. Cedric Wilson from from Boys State.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, you know you got you have
Speaker 1: a kind of an idea where guys are on the
Speaker 1: board and Cedric Wilson's tape is not terrible. No, at
Speaker 1: Boise State. He's interesting because he was a high school quarterback.
Speaker 1: He wanted to play, he wanted to play quarterback at
Speaker 1: the college level. H didn't have the testing numbers, didn't
Speaker 1: have any FBS offers with a JUCO for two years.
Speaker 1: Moved to wide receiver. So he's still pretty green at
Speaker 1: the wide receiver position, still figuring things out. But what
Speaker 1: you see on tape, he's tall, he's long, tracks the
Speaker 1: ball really well, shows pretty natural hands a guy that
Speaker 1: has only been playing the position for three four years. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like Cedric Wilson a lot in that in that
Speaker 1: fourth fifth round range. Yeah. Also just like James Washington
Speaker 1: could be a vertical threat. See that's the thing about
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. You kind of go in having an
Speaker 1: idea of maybe some guys you really like, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, a guy or two has the
Speaker 1: type of day was able to put practices together. That's
Speaker 1: the real trick for the Senior Bowl, though, Are you
Speaker 1: able to have a good Tuesday practice and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden turn around and do it Wednesday and
Speaker 1: Thursday when all the NFL scouts are in the building
Speaker 1: and then Saturday afternoon. Find a way to put yourself
Speaker 1: in that position. But people think a little bit better.
Speaker 1: I know this for a fact. When Al Davis was
Speaker 1: alive that you know, his evaluated the Senior Bowl was
Speaker 1: like one of the most important games for him to watch.
Speaker 1: I mean everything started with the Senior Bowl tape. And
Speaker 1: so you know, there's some teams that still have that
Speaker 1: type of thought. Maybe not the most important thing, but
Speaker 1: can you elevate yourself against some of the best names
Speaker 1: around the country. And to go along with what you're saying,
Speaker 1: especially with these receivers, you want to see progression throughout
Speaker 1: the week. Practice It starts on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. Are
Speaker 1: these receivers taking the coaching that they're getting, implementing it
Speaker 1: on the field and executing And so it's okay if
Speaker 1: a player does not have the best Tuesday, but how
Speaker 1: does you respond on Wednesday? How does you respond on Thursday?
Speaker 1: So that's a lot of these college receivers a big
Speaker 1: reason that takes a big jump at the NFL level
Speaker 1: is routes, and that's something we're gonna see with plenty
Speaker 1: of these guys. Can they show some improvements, some progress
Speaker 1: throughout the week with this pro coach. One on one
Speaker 1: stuff is fast, it is wide receivers are corners. The
Speaker 1: quarterbacks will have is It's okay. Not a bad quarterback group,
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, Josh Allen, the Headliners. So plenty of wide
Speaker 1: receiver talent, some decent quarterbacks strowing them the ball. Definitely
Speaker 1: should be one of the main things to watch this week,
Speaker 1: next week, what else you got. Let's talk about Dallas Goddard.
Speaker 1: Can you cement himself as the top tight end in
Speaker 1: this draft. We're not going to have a few juniors
Speaker 1: Mark Andrews, your guy, Hayden Hurst from South Carolina, So
Speaker 1: a few of the juniors, top juniors won't be there,
Speaker 1: but we will have, uh Goddard, a guy from South
Speaker 1: Dakota State. He's a chance to prove why he belongs
Speaker 1: in that first round conversation as the potential top tight end. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know that everybody's kind of talked about guys too,
Speaker 1: like Fu mcgalley from Wisconsin is a guy that that
Speaker 1: that people mentioned. You know, I'm starting to hear. I
Speaker 1: haven't seen Tyler Conklin Central Mission, Central Michigan, but there's
Speaker 1: been some buzz about him, you know, as far as
Speaker 1: a guy that, uh that that people need to look
Speaker 1: at and then and then a dirt h Durham Smith. Yeah. Fromme,
Speaker 1: he's that big classic dual threat, uh tight end, a
Speaker 1: guy that can line up in line. But because so
Speaker 1: go down the scene. The tight end besides Goddard that
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to seeing is Ian Thomas from Indiana,
Speaker 1: Indiana big fan of ex player. I watched, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: because I don't do anything else in my life, I
Speaker 1: watched Indiana spring game over the summer. Yeah, and Ian
Speaker 1: Thomas really popped off during this spring game and so
Speaker 1: I go into the season looking at him and really
Speaker 1: impressed with what I saw. A jute another juco kid
Speaker 1: who is just scratching the surface of his potential. So
Speaker 1: Dallas Goddard chanced to really separate himself as the top
Speaker 1: tight end, and then Ian Thomas a chance to make
Speaker 1: some noise too. Yeah. There is there a position though
Speaker 1: that you're looking at overall. I mean, you talked about
Speaker 1: the wide receivers, but is there a I mean the
Speaker 1: tight ends, wide receiver. Kind of talking about some offensive
Speaker 1: guys here though, and you know, we made mention of
Speaker 1: the that Hurst wasn't going to be involved as one
Speaker 1: of the defensive tackles. We talked about the defensive end
Speaker 1: from San Antonio. But is there any other position though
Speaker 1: that you're saying, like, okay, there's some, there's some really
Speaker 1: not on the radar guys yet, any corners that you're
Speaker 1: kind of looking at right there that you might feel
Speaker 1: like might have an opportunity to make a name from themselves,
Speaker 1: maybe in some of these one on one drills. A
Speaker 1: name that immediately comes to mind as Levi Wallace, who,
Speaker 1: for those don't don't don't know, also one of the
Speaker 1: best stories this draft class. A guy who didn't have
Speaker 1: a single offer out of high school, not a single offer.
Speaker 1: He's one hundred and forty pounds soaking wet at a
Speaker 1: Tucson and because his dad was a big Alabama fan,
Speaker 1: he decided to walk on at Alabama. He was playing
Speaker 1: flag football his first year there because he was just
Speaker 1: a scout team guy. Spent his first three years as
Speaker 1: a scout team guy. Moved into a backrupt role as
Speaker 1: a junior and then this past year won a starting
Speaker 1: job at corner number thirty nine. And when you watch
Speaker 1: Alabama tape, because you're watching Minca Fitzpatrick, you're watching Ronnie Harrison,
Speaker 1: Anthony Everett, who will not be at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: Levi Wallace number thirty one, thirty nine is the one
Speaker 1: that pops off the screen. Had terrific ball production this
Speaker 1: past year. I am eagerly he's not going to run
Speaker 1: really well. He might run a four or five eight
Speaker 1: at the combine, but he's really quick. The ball instincts
Speaker 1: are there, tough, eager to see what he weighs in at.
Speaker 1: Is he above one eighty five? I don't know. And
Speaker 1: then I want to see him on the field. How
Speaker 1: matches up against some of these bigger wide receivers. How
Speaker 1: does you respond in those one on one matchups? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I kind of enjoyed watching him him And is it
Speaker 1: Averitt right from Anthony Averitt? You know, if you watch
Speaker 1: the two Alabama corners play, I mean, I'd say it's
Speaker 1: it's funny to watch how they play sideways though, because
Speaker 1: it sides that away, but it seems to work for
Speaker 1: them the way they're able to you know, they get
Speaker 1: exposed a little bit on the outcuts and things like that.
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see if these coaches will try
Speaker 1: and square them up, because you do see him play
Speaker 1: some press man. Yeah, but it'll be interesting to see
Speaker 1: if these coaches will try and square them up. How
Speaker 1: they peddle, how they turn, how do they adjust out
Speaker 1: of those things. So, yeah, the Senior Bowl is always
Speaker 1: a great a tool for scouts. It's it's an opportunity
Speaker 1: to evaluate because of the pads and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: The pro coaching, So myself, Dane, David Hellman, Nick Eatman,
Speaker 1: Kent Garrison will all be down there at the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl working hard for you to give you that to
Speaker 1: give you that eye. And it's the last time we
Speaker 1: get a chance to evaluate these guys in pads. That's right.
Speaker 1: You know, we'll see him at the combine, right, and
Speaker 1: it'll be all about running and start exactly the workouts.
Speaker 1: There'll be some of that, but this is to be
Speaker 1: the last time these guys suited up in pads in
Speaker 1: a football setting. And then one other thing I want
Speaker 1: to mention about the Senior Bowl is just it's a
Speaker 1: chance for these small school guys. Yeah, uh, you know
Speaker 1: the Ali Marpets of the world. Three Desmond Harrison, the
Speaker 1: D two offensive tackle from West Georgia, right, former Texas
Speaker 1: kid field a few drug tests, some other issues winds
Speaker 1: up at West Georgia. Tell you great athlete, but just
Speaker 1: the techniques all over the sweet feet sweet feet. No, yeah,
Speaker 1: you worry about the technical aspect. How will he progress
Speaker 1: throughout the week against the best of the best At
Speaker 1: defensive end, uh Fort Hayes has a defensive tackle, Nathan Shepherd.
Speaker 1: I want to see, but all these our cornerback or quarterback,
Speaker 1: the safety that we're talking about, yeah, the Dubuke safety,
Speaker 1: Michael Joseph, Yeah, a couple of the corner Murray State
Speaker 1: the corner that's Phil Savage, though exactly Phil will throw
Speaker 1: some small school guys at you. But that's okay. Let's
Speaker 1: see these kids compete, because these are names that we're
Speaker 1: gonna be talking about, you know, potentially day two, you know,
Speaker 1: most likely day three, right, so you know the draft
Speaker 1: show again, that's what we want to do. We want
Speaker 1: to make sure we give you those names so you
Speaker 1: have an idea if these kids play well, if you
Speaker 1: hear names during the practices, whether we tweet them report them.
Speaker 1: You know, right about whatever we have to do, at
Speaker 1: least you have an idea. Okay, coming back, we're going
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Speaker 1: us creating a show and then creating this segment. Dominic
Speaker 1: Dane would like to know ideal position pairing for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys at nineteen and fifty. His is a defensive lineman
Speaker 1: and a wide receivers. It's a really good question. That
Speaker 1: is a great question. I mean, the players matter. You know,
Speaker 1: ideally he's probably thinking and then you're whoever you have
Speaker 1: Jay Moore, Yeah exactly, Yeah, exactly, it's what he's probably thinking.
Speaker 1: Because you know, if it's one thing to say, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, wide receiver. But in let's say the first round,
Speaker 1: because I'd love Calvin Ridley in the first sure you would,
Speaker 1: So you're pairing might be wide receiver. Yeah exactly. I
Speaker 1: mean I ideally I'm not going offense offense, but that's
Speaker 1: the way the board falls to me. I think Calvin
Speaker 1: Ridley would be an ideal fit at the Z He's
Speaker 1: the ideal fit at number nineteen and then at fifty
Speaker 1: in Isaiah Wynn, Yeah exactly. Maybe uh Will Hernandez, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think one of those two and those are two
Speaker 1: starters that instantly make your offense. Oh no, you plug
Speaker 1: both those guys in and go play exactly. So your
Speaker 1: offense is a lot better than it was last year
Speaker 1: just with those first two picks. So for me, it
Speaker 1: depends on who's available in the play. So in that scenario,
Speaker 1: I would go wide receiver, gard Would you would you
Speaker 1: think about taking would you think about we talked about
Speaker 1: that's Connor Williams. I'm gonna get Connor Williams drafted here.
Speaker 1: By the way, I'm gonna figure a way to kind
Speaker 1: of hell hometown, Kay, trying to get him drafted here
Speaker 1: and then bring him home. Need if I need to
Speaker 1: play a tackle, I'll play me a tackle if I
Speaker 1: have to. Some but any thought about taking again, would Edmonds?
Speaker 1: You know, would you would you go linebacker? Would you
Speaker 1: go linebacker? And think? Because of again, we don't feel
Speaker 1: like that the linebackers. I mean, I've done one hundred
Speaker 1: and two players now you've done far more than me.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't look like the linebacker position is gonna stretch. No,
Speaker 1: And maybe I have to sit there and think about
Speaker 1: that at nineteen first, if a guy like Edmonds, I
Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think Smith is gonna be a
Speaker 1: ro Quants. I don't think he's gonna be their linebacker
Speaker 1: from Georgia. I don't, but then again, he might not
Speaker 1: be everybody's cup of tea exactly under sized linebacker that
Speaker 1: really kind of plays one position if you think about that.
Speaker 1: And we saw guys in the past, Lavonte David and
Speaker 1: other undersized linebackers not later those exactly because of the
Speaker 1: size and the measureles and they don't fit in that
Speaker 1: perfect little box that some teams look for at a
Speaker 1: certain position. So I agree, I think it is possible
Speaker 1: either Roquan Smith or Tremaine Edmonds is there at nineteen
Speaker 1: and if they are, you gotta be ready yet, can't
Speaker 1: go wrong with that. You can't go wrong with that pick,
Speaker 1: and then you can turn around and once again you
Speaker 1: could grab that second round if you want to go
Speaker 1: to the watch sier. I think the wide receiver and
Speaker 1: maybe cornerback might be the two positions that you could
Speaker 1: stretch this thing a little bit. And you I think
Speaker 1: those usually are the two positions. H you know, we
Speaker 1: see the most quality of the player right right? And
Speaker 1: does this team did they need a corner in the
Speaker 1: first roll? Think we'll think about this, what if you
Speaker 1: were to play if there were questions about Byron Jones
Speaker 1: and they thought about playing a Woozier at safety. Yeah,
Speaker 1: even though a Woozier started for you at left at
Speaker 1: left corner. Pretty well. Yeah, again, I'm sorry. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is again Dallas cowboy kind of talk here. But
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're national, we're trying to talk about
Speaker 1: other guys too. But but but think about this, if
Speaker 1: they were thinking about him moving a Wooziator, like playing
Speaker 1: as a free safe. We've seen he's a physical enough tackler, sure,
Speaker 1: we've seen him cover. You could put Byron Jones down.
Speaker 1: He played some safety at Colorado. Sure he did. In
Speaker 1: the Green Bay game when he got hurt, he was
Speaker 1: playing safety. So I mean he could do it. There's
Speaker 1: no question. And that's something that Favorite Woods is a
Speaker 1: guy we talked about. Right. We don't know what this
Speaker 1: coaching staff, how they feel about it. You know, are
Speaker 1: they open minded? You know, it is depends on who
Speaker 1: they add in this draft, whether it's a corner or
Speaker 1: safety or you know, with all the young guys in
Speaker 1: the secondary, maybe they focus on d line and linebacker. Yeah. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know the original question mentioned with defensive line in
Speaker 1: the first round. Right right now, you're looking at the
Speaker 1: one technique, which could be drawn Payne or Vita Vea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it could be the three techs. See and we talk
Speaker 1: about the influence of Rod Marinelli here and the fact
Speaker 1: that they wouldn't want to take a first round defensive
Speaker 1: tackle or a nose tackle. Maybe this is bigger than
Speaker 1: Rod Marinelli. Maybe maybe now it's like you know what,
Speaker 1: you know, we we've we've kind of gone this route, Yeah,
Speaker 1: without addressing that spot, and at nineteen, maybe Damn will
Speaker 1: need to address it. With all due respect to the
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. If I'm the general manager, I'm telling him, listen,
Speaker 1: tell us the type of players that you want, right,
Speaker 1: and we'll find them. Yeah, don't tell us where we're
Speaker 1: gonna draft, don't tell me where I'm a drafts, what
Speaker 1: kind of players you want. It's gonna fit your scheme
Speaker 1: and make us a better football team, and we'll get them. Well,
Speaker 1: we'll add them where we see fit. Right, And so
Speaker 1: if that's the first round, then that's the first round.
Speaker 1: You know, it depends on you know, what this team needs.
Speaker 1: But I think, yeah, one technique nose tackle should be
Speaker 1: in the discussion, especially if Payne or Veya is available. Yeah, Okay, Now, Grady,
Speaker 1: we talk about Viata Veya, the defensive tackle from or
Speaker 1: nose from Washington. Grady wants to know how far would
Speaker 1: you go to get him and a trade up scenario, Yeah,
Speaker 1: trade up scenario. See, you're higher on Vea than I am.
Speaker 1: I like ya, I do. He's rare, but we see
Speaker 1: him as a first round player. Yeah, okay, but if
Speaker 1: you felt like, okay, say the Cowboys like him like me, yeah,
Speaker 1: and think he is a top fifteen player, which probably is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. Those traits good. And I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about going to ten or eleven. I'm talking about
Speaker 1: going to fifteen. Well, is that where you would feel
Speaker 1: the most comfortable? If I feel like that's where he's
Speaker 1: he should sit. Yeah, okay, So you're the general manager,
Speaker 1: vitave is available at twelve? Are you called? If he is?
Speaker 1: If he's my if he is one of my top
Speaker 1: players on my busy for you, I think there's others
Speaker 1: I would like that, not a defensive but I'm talking
Speaker 1: about my stack. I don't know if my stat I
Speaker 1: mean there might be a guy. Hell, you might like, uh,
Speaker 1: I mean you might like somebody. I mean we've talked
Speaker 1: about those linebackers might be there. That's that's exactly the point,
Speaker 1: because Sievers at pick number twelve, there's a good chance
Speaker 1: that offensive linemen, those linebackers are still available. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so at that point you still have three or four
Speaker 1: players you feel comfortable with. Why you you know, you'll
Speaker 1: need to trade up to get one of them with
Speaker 1: fall Okay, that's that's what I'm saying. Yeah, he Grady
Speaker 1: was just wanting to know though, if you were wiped out,
Speaker 1: if you're wiped out, the linebackers aren't there, Yeah, the
Speaker 1: receiver is not there. A little bit of desperation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't want to take you don't want to take
Speaker 1: one of those running backs. We haven't talked about that though.
Speaker 1: Think about that, I mean one of those running backs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there might be a guy there you really like, you know,
Speaker 1: if you don't window dress your board. Yeah, but you know,
Speaker 1: they probably wouldn't take a running back now, nor should
Speaker 1: they because last year the Florida State Dalvin Cook was
Speaker 1: on their board when they picked Taco right. Well, it's
Speaker 1: the same thing with you know quarterbacks. Yeah, Baker mayfields
Speaker 1: there at eighteen or nineteen. I don't think they should
Speaker 1: take you phone rings. Then, oh yeah, let me ask
Speaker 1: you this, would you trade away from you? Would would
Speaker 1: you trade away from Edmonds or Smith if they were
Speaker 1: on the board, only if an offer blew me away
Speaker 1: like a future one. You know, a team trade I
Speaker 1: don't know, say Baker Mayfield's available, and a team you
Speaker 1: say the Jaguars or it's a Kansas City run up
Speaker 1: the board exactly. It would have to include a future
Speaker 1: one for me to make that move. And even they
Speaker 1: still want to pick in this draft? Oh absolutely, yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's plenty of death. There's plenty of good players. This
Speaker 1: draft does not have five top five players or ten
Speaker 1: top ten players those guys. Yeah, but there's still plenty
Speaker 1: of talent in this draft. There's plenty of Pro bowlers
Speaker 1: that will come out of this draft. You just have
Speaker 1: to go find them. And so I'm not going to
Speaker 1: completely trade out of this draft, but leave the flat
Speaker 1: phone lines open. Let me ask you this, would you
Speaker 1: be more nervous picking early in this draft or where
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are picking? I mean, there's whenever you're picking early,
Speaker 1: there's always bus potential. Sure, but I will always take
Speaker 1: the higher pick. I mean, I mean, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't mean yeah, I don't mean that in a
Speaker 1: stupid way, but yeah, I understand what you're But you're saying,
Speaker 1: there's not that. There's not those there's not a big
Speaker 1: it's not it's not okay, it's not uh, it's not
Speaker 1: Zeke and Ramsey and Bosa and that at the top
Speaker 1: of that board, right, there's not a huge drop off
Speaker 1: from who you're gonna get at eight and who you're
Speaker 1: gonna get at nineteen. Yeah, so by by saying that,
Speaker 1: I don't need to go get Vida Veya, that's if
Speaker 1: that's what you think. Potentially the only thing is is
Speaker 1: if you get wiped out with Edmunds and Smith and
Speaker 1: Ridley and yeah, you know whoever else chance you could
Speaker 1: get wiped absolutely And now I mean you could be
Speaker 1: looking at one of those quarterbacks, or you could be
Speaker 1: looking at you know, maybe a running back, because ideally
Speaker 1: you have there's probably five guys they're gonna really want, okay,
Speaker 1: and then you have to watch them okay by pick
Speaker 1: twelve only four or left by pick fourteen only two
Speaker 1: or left you know, yeah now now and then now
Speaker 1: you're yeah, you watch it and you kind of play
Speaker 1: the odds and say, Okay, what are the chances that
Speaker 1: one of these few players that we really want is
Speaker 1: gonna fall to us? They just had to get to
Speaker 1: the odds, calculate what they're what they're comfortable with, and
Speaker 1: so it's something that it's it's a little early, we're
Speaker 1: talking too much in depth about the trade up scenario,
Speaker 1: but it's something that we'll be talked about. But yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying, if you look at the depth of
Speaker 1: the draft, like you said, if I'm comfortable taking Vita
Speaker 1: Vea at fifteen, I should be comfortable to try and
Speaker 1: move up to get him. If I think if I
Speaker 1: feel like things are getting wiped out, agree, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: feel like I should. Yeah, Okay, I just want to
Speaker 1: make sure you're in the same page with me. I
Speaker 1: don't think you are. But I don't think Vey as
Speaker 1: much as you. But in theory, I understand. Would Veya
Speaker 1: help this team, Yeah, definitely would. Who would help this
Speaker 1: team more the line take the linebackers out of it. Okay,
Speaker 1: who would help the team more if they went drafted?
Speaker 1: Vita Vea, Connor Williams one of those guys. I would
Speaker 1: take Vita Vea in that scenario. Let me ask you
Speaker 1: who would help this team. I'm such as who would
Speaker 1: help this team better? Maurice Hurst as a three technique
Speaker 1: or Vita as a one technique? Who would have the
Speaker 1: bigger impact. See that's the thing about it is because
Speaker 1: I'm thinking who would have the bigger impact? I think
Speaker 1: I think hurstwood the three technique. Yeah. But the problem is, though,
Speaker 1: I got to make sure my guy, Mallie Collins is
Speaker 1: gonna play the one and he's healthy with the foot
Speaker 1: exact because that that that affects everything. So if if
Speaker 1: you say Hurst, then that means Collins is your one
Speaker 1: and is he gonna be a liability? There is he
Speaker 1: gonna be played. I'm gonna pull up Ben Rogers on
Speaker 1: you here. My buddy is for a buddy from one
Speaker 1: oh five three. Who's got the bigger bus potential? Between
Speaker 1: Hurst and Vita Veya, I think it's Vea. And that's
Speaker 1: what worries me about him because they're off the chart.
Speaker 1: Because you're thinking about the brownie us and who they
Speaker 1: took the Shelton Well, no, because I think he's better
Speaker 1: than Shelton. I just I think I don't when you
Speaker 1: watch the Washington tape, I just don't always see it.
Speaker 1: I don't always see the effort. I don't always see
Speaker 1: the discipline. I don't always see the technique. But you
Speaker 1: watch that Stanford game. Oh he's terrific stretch. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it looks like it looks like King Kong making his
Speaker 1: way through New York City. But when talking about full
Speaker 1: body of work, that's what worries me a little bit.
Speaker 1: There are some inconsistencies there. The first Hurst worry a
Speaker 1: little bit. No, I mean a little bit because he's
Speaker 1: undersized to eighty eight. Yeah, and we'll see what well,
Speaker 1: we'll see him at the Senior we'll see what he's
Speaker 1: the combine, right, but you're hoping he's two ninety five
Speaker 1: is what you're hoping closer at two ninety five. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just shows the ability to put on some weight and
Speaker 1: good weight. And it's kind of disappointed you didn't see him.
Speaker 1: You said it earlier. He's not the Senior Bowl. He
Speaker 1: won't be on that rod it is. You know, Like
Speaker 1: I said, I don't blame him, considering with Wilkins going
Speaker 1: back and I think he's the clear top three technique,
Speaker 1: but it would have been nice to see him go
Speaker 1: up against uh, you know your your guy quisin Berry
Speaker 1: from UCLA, the Center, and some of these other guard
Speaker 1: prospects that will be in mobile. Bill Snyder wants to know.
Speaker 1: Tell me a little bit about Justin Jackson, who is
Speaker 1: a running back from Northwestern. Yeah, Northwestern running back who
Speaker 1: this week is down in Tampa at the East West
Speaker 1: Shrine Game on the third edition of that Shrine game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: pos House, we got there. By the way, Ford, I
Speaker 1: need the top prospect. There's Poonaford uh Texas, who should
Speaker 1: get a call up to the Senior Bowl this week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he should be. Is that gonna be the first guy
Speaker 1: you recommend? Because yes, let me just give you guys
Speaker 1: a little hint out there. We're in the press box
Speaker 1: one day and and two years ago, two years ago,
Speaker 1: Phil Savage walks in and we're all the scouts are
Speaker 1: sitting there and Dane Dane recommends Savage. Savage. Savage is
Speaker 1: asking for me. I need a defensive line down de tackles.
Speaker 1: We have no one left. Yeah, give me a name.
Speaker 1: And I was at the Shrine game lat the previous
Speaker 1: week and Javon Hargrave Hargraves South Carolina State was outstanding. Yeah,
Speaker 1: first name I thought of, told Phil next thing. Everything know,
Speaker 1: the scouts all go yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a guy, Yeah,
Speaker 1: get him. Yeah. The next day Hartgrave was there and hey,
Speaker 1: he's been a good player for the Steelers. He has
Speaker 1: been a good player for the Sea. But I think
Speaker 1: Puta Ford he's ironically, that's reminds me a lot of
Speaker 1: Javon Hargraves. Yeah, I think he could get that call
Speaker 1: up to the Senior Bowl. But Justin Jackson, Justin Jackson, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a good player. I'm looking over my notes. He's
Speaker 1: the school's Alton Lean and Rusher ranks Top ten and
Speaker 1: Big ten history, so the resumes there, a production is there.
Speaker 1: From a skill set perspective, I just think he's very average,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of the DAMA doesn't skill set where
Speaker 1: nothing just yeah, he has decent burst, decent vision, the
Speaker 1: patience and decision making, it's all average and there's nothing
Speaker 1: that really stands out about him. Sometimes he's too patient. Uh,
Speaker 1: sometimes he will choose the wrong lane. So with Justin Jackson,
Speaker 1: I think when you're looking at the fifth, six, seventh rounds,
Speaker 1: he's one of the running backs that if you don't
Speaker 1: have one yet, you still need one. Not a bad option.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. This kind of sounds like
Speaker 1: my guy Freeman from Oregon. Am I wrong about him?
Speaker 1: Kind of a just a I don't diame A dozen
Speaker 1: is not a very good right thought. I think he's
Speaker 1: better than that Freeman. But man, he's not exciting. Yeah
Speaker 1: that's what I'm watching that. I'm watching him play. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm watching him play and I'm going come on, you know,
Speaker 1: light me up because all these running backs they'll light
Speaker 1: you up. Oh yeah, you watch all of you, watch
Speaker 1: these running backs, they will light you up. Okay, last
Speaker 1: question here for you on the Twitter on the twenty
Speaker 1: and thanks for everybody for firing these in. Matt wants
Speaker 1: to know Micah is it Kissinger? Kaiser Kaiser Michael Kay
Speaker 1: Michael Kaiser, Michael Kaiser from Virginia acc leading tackler. Why
Speaker 1: no talk on him? Yeah, this dude, he's one of
Speaker 1: the best tacklers in college football. He's led the ACC
Speaker 1: in tackles the last three years. He also won the
Speaker 1: Academic Kaisman Award. So he's a smart guy too, and
Speaker 1: that shows Yeah, Virginia. The biggest issue with Kaiser is
Speaker 1: just the athleticism. He's a two down player. He's not
Speaker 1: a guy that you're going to trust and coverage. But
Speaker 1: as a two down player, as a run defender, he's outstanding,
Speaker 1: very good blitzer downhill, uh the closing burst. His ability
Speaker 1: to his backfield vision to track the ball and be
Speaker 1: in the right place at the right time is no coincidence.
Speaker 1: He's just a very bright player and he's a decent athlete.
Speaker 1: But you can tell when he asked he's asked to
Speaker 1: cover a running back out of the backfield, it's just
Speaker 1: no contest. And so that's why for me, Kaisers, So
Speaker 1: you have him down because just the two down ability
Speaker 1: really is right exactly. I think I have a fourth
Speaker 1: fifth round. Yeah, I have a fourth fifth round on
Speaker 1: my board. So a good player. It's just you have
Speaker 1: to know what type of role that he is and
Speaker 1: he's not an every down player. Is Jewel a little
Speaker 1: bit that he is? I think Jewels a little that's
Speaker 1: a linebacker. Iowa right, who We've talked about it at
Speaker 1: length before. I think he's just a little bit better player.
Speaker 1: He's more in the second third round race for me. Again,
Speaker 1: not a great athlete. I think he can compensate better
Speaker 1: than Kaiser can with some of the things that he
Speaker 1: does on the field, So Kaiser's definitely a name to know.
Speaker 1: He'll be a guy the Senior Bowl Fund guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, there you go, thanks for that. That's all good. Okay.
Speaker 1: When we come back, Dane and I are going to
Speaker 1: get into some more conversations about his draft mock draft
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Speaker 1: On January sixteenth, Dame Burglar put out his very first
Speaker 1: mock draft. How many mock drafts you do during the
Speaker 1: year now, thankfully don't have to do as many as
Speaker 1: I used to do. I did one and before Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: That was my first one technically, but yeah, this is
Speaker 1: my first one of the draft season. The deadline fro
Speaker 1: under classman was Monday, so waited till we had an
Speaker 1: idea of who would be in this draft. And now
Speaker 1: we know, you know, the Clemson kids, that the events
Speaker 1: of linemen are out, some of the surprises are in,
Speaker 1: and so I'll probably end up doing four or five
Speaker 1: twenty mock drafts. Let me ask you this real quick
Speaker 1: on this too hardest. You had trouble, if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 1: you had trouble place in the running backs and the draft,
Speaker 1: in't you? And with mock drafts, you never predict trades
Speaker 1: because it's just impossible, you know, it's mock drafts are
Speaker 1: hard enough to trying to predict trades. By the way, folks,
Speaker 1: it's no fun to do a mock draft. No, I
Speaker 1: don't find it. It sounds fun, it starts fun, and
Speaker 1: then by the time you're almost done, it's a labor.
Speaker 1: It's a headache. Yeah. So because you go in with
Speaker 1: players that you want to get Darius guys from LSU.
Speaker 1: I want to get him in that first round because
Speaker 1: I think he's a first round player and I think
Speaker 1: he's a good chance he goes first round. But after
Speaker 1: the Lions that picked twenty twenty one, thirty two, there
Speaker 1: wasn't like a clear avenue to put him. You know,
Speaker 1: a lot of those playoff teams have their running backs
Speaker 1: or you know there's a more pressing need or you
Speaker 1: thought they you know, they make going in different directions.
Speaker 1: So the running backs, besides Barkley. We know Barkley's going
Speaker 1: top seven somewhere, right. Besides Barkley, it's gonna be interesting
Speaker 1: to see where these running backs fall, because we both
Speaker 1: agree Geis carry on Johnson, Ronald Jones. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: those three players are deserving of first round consideration. Taylor
Speaker 1: Stern asked the question, could we see four running backs
Speaker 1: in this draft? It happened in two thousand and two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight, right, and I think based on talent
Speaker 1: we could. But when you look at how things play
Speaker 1: out or the order, I just it was hard to
Speaker 1: I couldn't even fit two in there. Yeah, it's only
Speaker 1: one running back made the mock, but I'd be surprised
Speaker 1: if it ended up like that. Better chance we see
Speaker 1: a trade or something else happened in there where we
Speaker 1: see either at least one other running back. Probably guys
Speaker 1: going the first. Wait, this draft goes for Dane Burgley
Speaker 1: at least starts. Sam Darnold, the quarterback for USC goes
Speaker 1: to the Browns. Giant's take Josh Rosen quarterback UCLA. That's
Speaker 1: probably how we'll be all season long, right one two,
Speaker 1: unless what John Dorsey does, Unless someone makes a splash
Speaker 1: for Kirk Cousins exactly. He's keenum something that The interesting
Speaker 1: one here is Bradley Chubb, the defensive end from North
Speaker 1: Carolina State, goes to the Colts at three. I think
Speaker 1: if you're Chris Ballard GM of the Colts, you're hoping
Speaker 1: the first two picks or quarterbacks because you want somebody
Speaker 1: to come for that pick at three. Yeah. Um, maybe
Speaker 1: because it colds up. Plenty of needs, plenty of holes
Speaker 1: they need to fill. You think they bounce. I think
Speaker 1: that there's they're gonna have a chance to draft the
Speaker 1: best non quarterback in this draft because of quarterbacks go
Speaker 1: one two, Yeah, which very likely could happen. Then they
Speaker 1: have a chance the best draft the best non quarterback.
Speaker 1: We don't know about Andrew Luck, but regardless of Jacoby
Speaker 1: Bursett on the roster, good chance they're not going quarterback
Speaker 1: at three. Sure, So who's the best non quarterback for
Speaker 1: the Colts in their eyes? Could it be sae Quon Barkley.
Speaker 1: Could it be Quentin Nelson helped protect whoever's like quarterback
Speaker 1: Quinn Nelson. Both both those players are going to help
Speaker 1: out the quarterback, whether it's Barkley running the ball, his
Speaker 1: ability pass protecting as a pass catcher or could be
Speaker 1: the guard at another name for me in this mock,
Speaker 1: I want Bradley Chubb, who is arguably the top defensive
Speaker 1: player in this draft. He's not Miles Garrett in terms
Speaker 1: of that style of rusher, but he's very talented, those
Speaker 1: long strides off the edge. He's so good at dealing
Speaker 1: with counters, adjusting his plan mid rush, using power, using quickness. Uh,
Speaker 1: and he just finds ways to get to the pocket.
Speaker 1: He's much player. You've got the player nails, so I think,
Speaker 1: and we don't know, you know exactly what type of
Speaker 1: scheme they're gonna run on defense yet, But with Bradley Chubb,
Speaker 1: I think you're getting an impact pass rusher who whether
Speaker 1: you're running a three, four or fourth three, you're gonna
Speaker 1: make room for him and he instantly helps out defense.
Speaker 1: Browns with the fourth pick, which they got from the
Speaker 1: Houston Texans in the trade for Watson, by right, you're
Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna you're gonna put another corner in Cleveland. Huh,
Speaker 1: well he can, Fitzpatrick. They need a corner, They need
Speaker 1: a corner, But how many years have they drafted a
Speaker 1: corner that's been just heartbreak. Um, well, I mean justin Gilbert.
Speaker 1: You know Joe Hayden Say Hayden's worked out for Mean's
Speaker 1: probably the best draft first round draft pick they've had,
Speaker 1: not including this past draft. We'll see about Miles Garrett
Speaker 1: and the rest of those guys, but Joe Hayes's probably
Speaker 1: the best draft pick they've had in the last fifteen years.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, and it with all the picks that they've had,
Speaker 1: it is crazy. But I think when you look at
Speaker 1: that pick at four, so if if it plays out
Speaker 1: with two quarterbacks, then defensive En Browley Chubb at the
Speaker 1: first three picks. I've heard from a lot of Browns
Speaker 1: fans that want sa Quon Barkley. Yeah, that's why I
Speaker 1: was going to ask you. That's why I stopped. And
Speaker 1: I get it. Barkeley's an outstanding talent. I think there's
Speaker 1: no question he should be in that conversation. But what
Speaker 1: does that help Sam Darnold. Oh absolutely it does. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that that would be if I want sa Quon Barkley.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what I'm saying, Yeah, is how much he
Speaker 1: can help the quarterback, how much that he'll take pressure
Speaker 1: off the passing game. But if I'm the Browns and
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it. I'm John Dorsey. I got Kareem
Speaker 1: Hunt in the third round last year. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: a deep running back class. Oh, I have talked about that.
Speaker 1: Here you go, picks thirty three and thirty five, Here
Speaker 1: you go. I have a chance to pick up a
Speaker 1: carry On Johnson or Ronald Jones in the early second round.
Speaker 1: It might be just as good, exactly. I like Barkley
Speaker 1: a lot. I think he's the top running back, but
Speaker 1: I don't think there's that huge gap that a lot
Speaker 1: of people see Patrick a better player than Barkley. In
Speaker 1: your top ten, top five, would he be a better player, Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so. I like Barkley a lot, but I
Speaker 1: love Fitzpatrick. You have you have more questions about Barkley,
Speaker 1: could tell more questions about Bay than you do Fitzpatrick.
Speaker 1: I do. And with Barkley there's there's a few things
Speaker 1: that worry me about him, but I think a great player. Again,
Speaker 1: he should be in the conversation number four. But Fitzpatrick,
Speaker 1: whether he's playing outside, corner, inside Nickel, can play safety,
Speaker 1: can do it all. I'm drafting Fitzpatrick in that scenario,
Speaker 1: and I think you have two building blocks on defense
Speaker 1: in the Cleveland with Miles Garrett and then Mica Fitzpatrick.
Speaker 1: Plenty of other solid players are on them. It's solid,
Speaker 1: but those are two building block absolutely. Okay. Then you
Speaker 1: have the Broncos take Josh Allen wide receiver from a
Speaker 1: quarterback from Wyoming. Yeah who number one? He's so wrong
Speaker 1: about that quarterback from me and Lynch. God, I'm just seriously, folks,
Speaker 1: I apologize to you in my quarterback evaluations. I really do.
Speaker 1: You're you're Blake Bortles. Guys Blake Bortles in the championship game.
Speaker 1: But it's it's because it's because they took all the
Speaker 1: other guys that I wanted to you know, yeah, the
Speaker 1: Miles Jackson, those guys to the world. In fairness to you, Paxson.
Speaker 1: Lynch has literally played five games in the NFL, and
Speaker 1: they're about to take and you have you have them
Speaker 1: taken a quarterback at five and that's why they're picking
Speaker 1: at five. Yeah, no, you're not a quarterback. Play wasn't
Speaker 1: any good? Yeah, And but again he's played five games.
Speaker 1: And as Denver run out of patience, are they ready
Speaker 1: to move on? Probably? You seem like they have I
Speaker 1: think I think there's a good chance they make a
Speaker 1: run at Kirk Cousins or one of these other guys.
Speaker 1: But if they don't and they need a quarterback, I
Speaker 1: think the connections could be made. Does Josh Allen when
Speaker 1: you think about Elway and he's gonna fall in love?
Speaker 1: Oh sure with this quarterback spinet? Yeah, Denver Broncos they're
Speaker 1: coaching Josh Allen the senior ball. Oh, get ready, you
Speaker 1: can make those connections. Ready, Yeah, it's not a crazy
Speaker 1: connection to make. I could see it happen. But uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I understand those that are really bullish on Allan. The
Speaker 1: potential is so high, but the floor is so low. Yeah, all,
Speaker 1: here we go. We're gonna kind of get through these. Uh.
Speaker 1: In the last bit, here we got the Jets are
Speaker 1: taking Barkley where anywhere he goes. That's a great pick
Speaker 1: and maybe jessing the quarterback to look at Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 1: But at that pick, maybe they just go best best
Speaker 1: player that impacts their team. Barkley's a he's a big
Speaker 1: Jets fan growing up, so it's a nice fit. Quentin
Speaker 1: Nelson to the Buccaneers. I'm already liking the Bucks draft.
Speaker 1: I'm liking the Bucks drafted seven already. You're gonna say
Speaker 1: that about whoever drafts Quentin. Yeah, he's one of my
Speaker 1: favorite players, whether it's two to the Giants or seven
Speaker 1: to the Bucks. I'm telling you, man, it was one
Speaker 1: of my keeping eye on two of the Giants. Chicago
Speaker 1: Bears take Denzel Ward, quarterback Ohio State. I think he's
Speaker 1: the best corner in this draft. Verminica Overmica, Yeah, I do.
Speaker 1: I do. The size worries me a little bit, but
Speaker 1: besides that, Yeah, it's Ohio State. Kids have come in
Speaker 1: and played the new DBU. Yeah, that's what they do.
Speaker 1: Roquan Smith breaks everybody's heart, goes to the forty nine ers.
Speaker 1: At nine, flashes of Patrick Willis and Bowman again with
Speaker 1: Ruben Foster and Roquan Smith. Jeez, that'd be fun to watch.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. Roquan Smith's another really kid, but
Speaker 1: he might not be for everybody. We talked about that
Speaker 1: it's right. At ten, the Oakland Raiders take Vita Vea.
Speaker 1: Now you're really making Cowboy fans mad here. The Raiders
Speaker 1: need help on on the defensive line. They don't have
Speaker 1: anybody in the interior defensive line. That's really standing out
Speaker 1: Dave as a guy that could do that for him
Speaker 1: at it again, the traits, that's what's going to vault
Speaker 1: him up draft boards, possibly in a top ten. I
Speaker 1: wonder if John Gruden is gonna with his influence there
Speaker 1: with Reggie mackenzie, is he gonna want a draft some
Speaker 1: type of offensive player. You know, remember he's had that draft.
Speaker 1: Cadillac Williams, Auburn running back, went real role early one year.
Speaker 1: They're not paying him one hundred million just to stand there.
Speaker 1: And and Dane continues, he's he's a way of breaking
Speaker 1: Cowboys fans heart. The Miami Dolphins at eleven. Take Tremaine
Speaker 1: Edmonds linebacker, Virginia Tech fun linebacker. See now, under this scenario,
Speaker 1: I'm starting to get wiped out. Yeah, exactly. You've made
Speaker 1: me now a little nervous about what we've talked about.
Speaker 1: What we talked about. We have four or five players
Speaker 1: you really want, all of a sudden, gone gone gone,
Speaker 1: And here we are where we're down to only a
Speaker 1: few players that you have on your your a list
Speaker 1: of guys that you want. Yeah, well, I'll tell you what, man,
Speaker 1: I mean. You know, you're making me nervous right now,
Speaker 1: you're making me nervous and like, okay, and then now
Speaker 1: you really gut punched me because I've thought about Connor
Speaker 1: Williams right as a potential guard. He gockle, but you
Speaker 1: got to going to Cincinnati at twelve and he tackle
Speaker 1: help badly. They could go Orlando Brown, they could go
Speaker 1: Connor Williams, good chance. They look at the top tackle
Speaker 1: in this draft, whoever they think it is, at that pick.
Speaker 1: They need to tackle help in the worst way. And
Speaker 1: then we go down to the thirteenth pick, which be
Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers. Marcus Davenport, we talked plenty about him.
Speaker 1: That's new. That's a Goody's first pick there. Huh yeah, goodicus.
Speaker 1: The new general manager for the Green Bay Packers, Ted Thompson,
Speaker 1: longtime general manager player personnel guy guys started with in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two. No longer the GM. That's a new
Speaker 1: new era in Green Bay. So Marcus Davenport, the defenseman
Speaker 1: outside linebackers still gonna run a three four scheme two,
Speaker 1: aren't they with the Packers? Yeah? And with Mike Petton
Speaker 1: coming in, Yeah, it's I don't know. We'll see how
Speaker 1: they what variation the three four the Petton ran and
Speaker 1: Cleveland was a little different. So I'm eager to see
Speaker 1: what Petton's learned from Cleveland. I mean, he was an
Speaker 1: assistant kind of in Sultan. Yeah, but he learned about
Speaker 1: a little some four three stuff, right, It's I'm eager
Speaker 1: to see kind of what he breaks out in Green Bay.
Speaker 1: But regardless, Davenport three four four three, he's a pass rusher.
Speaker 1: Washington Redskins take Dron Payne, defensive tackle from Alabama. Boy,
Speaker 1: that's they got two Alabama back years in the first round. Wow,
Speaker 1: that'd be pretty impressive right there. Arizona Cardinals take a
Speaker 1: quarterback Baker Mayfield. This is kind of where you hope
Speaker 1: if you're a Cowboy fan and you're getting wiped out,
Speaker 1: that maybe the Baker Mayfield would have been there for you.
Speaker 1: I love Baker Mayfield, and I just it's hard to
Speaker 1: get a read on how NFL teams are gonna feel
Speaker 1: about him, because again, as a as a passer, he's accurate.
Speaker 1: He anticipates passing windows the way you can manipulate the pocket.
Speaker 1: Uh you know, alternate his throwing angles, throwing off platform.
Speaker 1: He's just so instinctive and natural. Added the mobility, the
Speaker 1: way he moves around in the pocket. You say, that's
Speaker 1: that's big time right there. But coming from the big twelve,
Speaker 1: you know, he played behind an offensive line that protected him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the size, not necessarily the height, but the fact that
Speaker 1: he likes to hold the ball and he's going to
Speaker 1: take some hits as we had the body armor to
Speaker 1: hold up. We talked about Jeff Garcia. Yeah, I'm proud
Speaker 1: of you for being a young scout and remembering Jeff
Speaker 1: Garcia because when I was, when I was like your age, right,
Speaker 1: you know, coming up, there were guys like Jeff Garcia
Speaker 1: in this league. Jeff garciaa playing the CFL for yeah,
Speaker 1: three four years he did. Yeah, that's good year. Baker
Speaker 1: Mayfield's gonna fascinating. He could go top ten, absolutely, But
Speaker 1: in this scenario, I've gone fifteen to Arizona. New coaching
Speaker 1: staff at Arizona two right, right, and new with Carson
Speaker 1: Palmer retiring, they need to do something at quarterback. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: they need to Baltimore Ravens at sixteen. Take Calvin Ridley.
Speaker 1: Now I've thrown my pin across the room. Just wait
Speaker 1: for the Twitter responses about how this should be the
Speaker 1: the Cowboys pick, right, they lost that final game to Philadelphia, Right,
Speaker 1: So Calvin Ridley goes to the Ravens at sixteenth. Bot, Hey,
Speaker 1: what you've got punched me in this draft? That was
Speaker 1: one of the last ones in your your five that
Speaker 1: you really wanted. Absolutely it was Derwin Ja. It is
Speaker 1: interesting to the Los Angeles Chargers at seventeen, the strong
Speaker 1: safety from Florida State. There's a guy that everybody kind
Speaker 1: of likes a little bit. He could go higher just
Speaker 1: because he's gonna test well, a very good athlete, and
Speaker 1: you are excited about the future. But because he's far
Speaker 1: from polished as a prior, he could slip out of
Speaker 1: the top fifteen to this point. Okay. And then Josh Jackson,
Speaker 1: the cornerback from Iowa. Boy, I like the kid from
Speaker 1: Central Florida better than Josh Jackson, but we'll see the
Speaker 1: Seahawks take him at eighteen. Now that's the Cowboys. And
Speaker 1: we've talked about this at nineteen Maurice Hurst. Well, and
Speaker 1: now now this is a this is a very legitimate
Speaker 1: mock draft, Cowboys. This is one that should usually your
Speaker 1: first mock draft is your best mock draft in my opinion.
Speaker 1: You know, now you'll figure out medical and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: For some of these guys criminal background. Some of these
Speaker 1: guys will fall somebody who knows Larmy Tunsel might show
Speaker 1: up with a gas mask on. Again, you never know.
Speaker 1: You never know what's going to happen in this draft.
Speaker 1: But to me, Dane, this is a very eye opening
Speaker 1: mock draft for the way it potentially could fall. And
Speaker 1: I'm gonna and what potentially could be there for you
Speaker 1: right at nineteen, I'm gonna give you. Okay, I gave
Speaker 1: them more rese Hurst obviously the Cowboys, but I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give you five players that are still available right in
Speaker 1: this mock I want you to tell me who you
Speaker 1: would take, all right, So there's more Reicehurst, right, there's
Speaker 1: Christian Kirk the wide receiver from Texas A and m
Speaker 1: Mike Hughes, cornerback from UCF. Love him. Ronnie Harrison the
Speaker 1: safety from Alabama, not so much. And let's say Mike McGlinchey,
Speaker 1: the tackle from Notre Dame. So those five players are
Speaker 1: available in this scenario. See the question, Yeah, who are
Speaker 1: you if you're if you're the general manager of the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: I have a feeling of who you're gonna take but
Speaker 1: who would you go with? The corner really interests me
Speaker 1: because it would help my you know, in this league,
Speaker 1: with the way everybody throws the foot ball, give me
Speaker 1: as many guys that can cover, and you know, I'm
Speaker 1: you know, give me those guys. But Glinchy is interesting
Speaker 1: because I think he played guard. He could play guard,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if he could do it as
Speaker 1: better as Connor Williams could play guard. Connor Williams just
Speaker 1: looks more like a guard to meet guard build. But
Speaker 1: but but yeah, yeah, I know, but you're protecting yourself
Speaker 1: if something happens to Tyren Smith. True at left tackle, boy,
Speaker 1: that position held them hostage last year. It gives you
Speaker 1: some flexibly. God, I'm not gonna be able to answer
Speaker 1: this question, Kirk, Christian Kirk. And that's what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: is Christian Kirk boy an explosive? Yeah? But can I can?
Speaker 1: I can? I look at fifty You know we were
Speaker 1: talking about we were talking about Dominic his ideal pairing.
Speaker 1: Did we have receiver at nineteen? I don't think we
Speaker 1: did unless it was Calvin Ridley. Yeah, unless it was
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley. That's right, man, Kirk. He's not gonna be
Speaker 1: there for you in the second Oh, he's not um any,
Speaker 1: But but what what DJ Moore that's gonna be? That's right?
Speaker 1: Are you gonna if you're gonna gamble, are you gambling
Speaker 1: on Kirk, which you don't think, or gambling that Moore
Speaker 1: would be there? Well? And I think that goes back
Speaker 1: to the original philosophy about taking the best player there
Speaker 1: or looking at position strength and maybe bypassing wide receiver
Speaker 1: here even though say Kirk's your best player on the board,
Speaker 1: because you feel good about the possible wide receiver you
Speaker 1: get in a second round because DJ Moore might be gone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you feel okay about Anthony Miller, you feel okay
Speaker 1: about some of these other receivers. So okay, you're on
Speaker 1: the clock, time's winding down. Who you're taking at nineteen
Speaker 1: Maurice Hurst, Ronnie Harrison, McGlinchey, Hughes Work. I've probably taken
Speaker 1: Hurst the d tackle yea three tackle yeah, or three Tichtie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would as much as I love as much as
Speaker 1: I love the corner. I understand about McGlinchey, but I
Speaker 1: think that he could could help you there. I don't
Speaker 1: have I don't have many questions, and I'd see why
Speaker 1: you did that too. Just to finish out the draft,
Speaker 1: Billy Price goes to the Lions at twenty. Buffalo takes
Speaker 1: Mike McGlinchey, who we talked about. Buffalo pick from Kansas
Speaker 1: City takes Christian Kirk. Oh, here we go. Now they're
Speaker 1: starting off, and now I'm about to panic. Here the
Speaker 1: Rams at