1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:06,359 Speaker 1: Wine Down with Jane Kramer and I hear a radio podcast. 2 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: Hey guys, what's up. It's Jane Kramer and it's The 3 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:17,159 Speaker 1: Wine Down. Oh my goodness, I'm so excited. I've been 4 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: wanting to do a podcast for years. And UM, I 5 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: think for those of you that don't know who I am, Um, 6 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 1: I get ten minutes to tell you who that is. 7 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: I think I need a little bit more than ten minutes. 8 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: But UM, to start, I'm a mom. I have a 9 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: beautiful two year old daughter. Her name is Jolie, and 10 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: she's the love of my life and she's the reason 11 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: why I do everything. Um, I'm married, and I say 12 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: that with caution because, um, you know, my life is 13 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: extremely public and it's been it's been a crazy journey 14 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: because I have I've I've had a couple of marriages 15 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: under my belt. Um, but I wouldn't really call the marriages. 16 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: I would call them glimpses of things because one I 17 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: met when I was nineteen and then we went to Vegas. 18 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 1: The other one I was only married to for a 19 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: week and now he's my best friend. And um, you know, 20 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: now I'm married and we've been married for it'll be 21 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 1: three years. In may happily a couple of months. But um, 22 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: that's besides the point and we'll talk about that later. 23 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: But um, wait a minute, did you just say you 24 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: were married to somebody for a week? Yeah? How did 25 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,479 Speaker 1: you get divorced so fast? No? Okay, Well here's the deal. 26 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: We were. He's not my best friend, which is the 27 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: funniest part of all of it. His wife is like 28 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: truly my my best friend here in l A. Um 29 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 1: and I we have like weekly dinner family parties. Um, 30 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: but we were. We were dating for three years and 31 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: then he was fourteen years older than me. Um, in 32 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: the age wasn't an issue. But what the issue was 33 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: is we were just I was going right, he was 34 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: going left. And but as I'm such like a love 35 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: addict at the core, I just I always wanted to 36 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: please him. And um, but you know my dream I 37 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: was I was going to Nashville. He was here in 38 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: l A. And um, I was just finishing one tree hill. 39 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: Long story short, it was just one of those things 40 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: where I walked on the aisle and was like, I 41 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: don't want to be married to this man. Oh no, wait, 42 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: was it a full on wedding with the wedding the 43 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: wedding and everything. Yeah, it was the whole. I mean, 44 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: so what we say is we laugh and we say 45 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: we had a beautiful party. We were not married. Married 46 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: to me is like what I'm in now, Like we 47 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: are like in it, you know what I mean, Like 48 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:38,239 Speaker 1: we're fighting for it. We have a child, like we're 49 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: working on our marriage. To me, that's marriage, not just 50 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 1: like a wedding. And so I think I've only been 51 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: like for me, I've only been married once but on 52 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: paper three. But let's go back, let's go back to 53 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: the one week marriage, but one like marriage. You when 54 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 1: did you decide you needed to get a divorce the 55 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: day I married him? The day you married him? So 56 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: you guys didn't go on the honeymoon, you didn't, Well 57 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: we went up north after because we got married up 58 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: North Michigan. Um, but I just I knew. I actually 59 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: called the wedding off two weeks before. But then I 60 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: was like, well, we have like an okay exclusive and 61 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:17,679 Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to ruin people's plans. So 62 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: I was just like, you know, well maybe maybe like 63 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: maybe i'll feel something different, Like maybe I'll walk down 64 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: the aisle and I'll feel something different. But I knew 65 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: that if I stayed married him, we'd have kids and 66 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: then we'd end up divorce, and I was like, I 67 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: don't want, Like I grew up in a divorce family 68 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: and for me personally, like I just knew, like if 69 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: I knew walking down the aisles shouldn't be married to 70 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: this man, I should divorce him now absolutely, And it 71 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: was like the greatest thing that ever happened, because now 72 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: he's married to this amazing girl named Julie and they 73 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: have a beautiful son, and Camden and Jolie are like 74 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: besties and now we all hang out. I was just 75 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: texting with her there in Hawaii right now, and they're 76 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: coming back and then we're having dinner tomorrow night. That's 77 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: and he's an actor John with and Check, so he 78 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: um and he's he's like my acting coach too, so 79 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: whenever I have auditions he helps me. And yeah, did 80 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: you ever feel like you wanted to be the runaway 81 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: bride where you just didn't show up? Oh? Yeah, totally. 82 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: But I couldn't do it. I just felt so bad 83 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: for people like I wanted to, like because I wanted 84 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 1: to have that beautiful day. I wanted to be in 85 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: love with him. It's a thing I like every part 86 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: of me, like was just like because I did, I 87 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 1: do love like I still I love John. I think 88 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 1: he's a great guy. Would we have ever worked? No, 89 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: like not at all. Okay, So we're his parents, both 90 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 1: of his parents there? Yeah, and your parents ever? Everyone 91 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: was there, and girl, it was beau. It was a 92 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: beautiful wedding. Did your parents know? No? No? What about 93 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 1: his parents? His dad and I never really got along. 94 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: He's like real old school, like cop and I was 95 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: like this little young little like name to marry your son. 96 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: He's like, what is my He probably thought his son 97 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: was going through a midlife crisis, honestly because I was 98 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: like twenty six and he was in his forties. So 99 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: and what about the mom? Oh, she's like they're great, 100 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 1: They're awesome, and you know they still I mean I 101 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: have not seen them since the wedding. Every time I like, 102 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: I know they're in town right now. So I texted 103 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: Julie and I was like, Hey, does Jolie want to 104 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: play with Camden? But I don't think they want to 105 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: see me, so that we're not cool yet. But Julie, 106 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: John and I are great Okay, And how long has 107 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: it been? So it's been almost eight years? Wow? But 108 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: I mean like again, like we weren't like, yes, we 109 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 1: we were. We dated for three years and what was 110 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: it like then? So back and forth because he had 111 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: just gotten divorced from Christina appligate. Oh my god, he 112 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 1: called me Christina so many times? Do it in bed? 113 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 1: Not in bed? Not in bed? No? But maybe like 114 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: I don't, like I don't remember that, but no, he 115 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: would call me sometimes I would just be and I 116 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: think I always wanted to be better than her, like 117 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: I wanted to be like because he was so hurt 118 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: from that relationship. Did she end it with him? Yeah, 119 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 1: So that's tough when you were rebound for him. He 120 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: had plenty of rebounds before me. But and you was 121 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 1: like his first girlfriend after Christina, and you feel like 122 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: you two were codependent on each other. No, I he was. 123 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 1: He like didn't want me at all in the beginning, 124 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 1: but I like forced myself on him, like because we 125 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: did a movie together called prom Night, and I was like, 126 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: oh my god, that's the guy from that thing you do. 127 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: He's so hot and um, and then we hung out 128 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: and then he's just like, you're too young, and I 129 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: was like, no, I'm not immature, I swear, and and 130 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: then it was just one of those things where I 131 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: just I kept wanting his love and attention and affection. 132 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: And that's like what a love addict is, Okay, And 133 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 1: so what was the relationship? Like how much time did 134 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 1: you spend another like that? I mean three years? We 135 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: probably were together like a year, like two years? And 136 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: did you break up a lot? Yeah? We broke up 137 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: a lot because he would there really like oh him 138 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: all the time, and I beIN, please, why don't you 139 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 1: want to be with me? Um? He just didn't want 140 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 1: a girlfriend. He's like, I'm just I'm not ready. So 141 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: and I just waited and stayed and passed so many 142 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: like and every time I got in a good relationship 143 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: with someone, he'd always come back. And then I'd of 144 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: course break up with that person and date him and 145 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: date him. And then when he was ready to commit 146 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: to you, that was when you were like, I know, 147 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: but it was because we had different Um, we were 148 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: just so we were too different at that point. Okay, 149 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: but your best friends, but just too different so we 150 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: couldn't be married. Now I know, people are like, well, 151 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: you guys are best friends, like why wouldn't you guys work? 152 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,559 Speaker 1: Because him and Julie work, like she can handle his stuff. 153 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: There's certain things as a wife that I could not 154 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: handle that he does. That makes sense. I understand that. 155 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: Like he's you know, he's really really really actory. And 156 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: sometimes I'm like, can you just like stop and just 157 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: because he needs the attention? Does he? I mean, like, 158 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: I know, I like attention. I know, I mean all 159 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: actors like attention. But it's just it's yeah, and there 160 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: is a dark side too, and you know it's it's heavy, 161 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: and it's like I like more of the light with 162 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: the heavy and sometimes like and Julie can balance it 163 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: so well, like I support it supported and I would 164 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: be like, like he he would write a script and 165 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: I'd be like, that's awful, and that's not a supportive wife, 166 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: you know, but I didn't. It's an honest one, yeah, 167 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: but it's not a nice one. And Julie like supports 168 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: his like thoughts and ideas well. That makes sense? And 169 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: what about now? What about? Now? What about now? Me? 170 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: Do you like still consider yourself a love addict? I 171 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: can I have always be a love addict. I just 172 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: I love because and you have to be careful with 173 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: that because it's like, you know, there's times when you 174 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: know my husband and I are good, and it's like 175 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: you have to really hone in on that love addiction 176 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: because you don't want to find it somewhere else. You 177 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: gotta keep finding it in the relationship, right, And do 178 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: you think about that sometimes? If you guys are right, No, 179 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: I think I think everyone has like healthy fantasies. Yeah, 180 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: but I would I'd probably never admit that to him, 181 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: But now that he's probably hearing this, now he knows, 182 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: he knows. No. I mean, I think it's that's a 183 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: tough question because I would be mad at him for 184 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: having those fantasies, right, So I shouldn't either. But sometimes 185 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: I fantasize about being divorced and having the house to myself. 186 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: And that's why my fantasy not about being with someone else. 187 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 1: It's about being alone, having space, space, just being like 188 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: left alone for a day a Wednesday, every Wednesday, every Wednesday. 189 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: Does he does he demand a lot? Does he know 190 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: my husband is he's great? I mean, obviously it's very public. 191 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: Our our our separation was extremely public. And his stuff, 192 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: which you know, well, I'll talk about later in in podcast. History, 193 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: but um, we're working on it. And that's the thing. 194 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: Like marriage is, whether there's infidelity, whether there's um issues 195 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: in the marriage, you always have to work on it. Yes, 196 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: I think someone that has a perfect marriage I call 197 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 1: BS two right away absolutely because you have to grow. 198 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: That means that you're actually not working on your marriage 199 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: then to me personally, right because you're not growing, you 200 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: have to grow together and the people that don't grow together, like, 201 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: we're both willing to work. That's the thing. I'm willing 202 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: to work. He's willing to work. That's what's making this 203 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: relationship not end catastrophically. Yet you go to therapy so 204 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: much therapy, but I love therapy. I think it's great. 205 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: Do you do individual and marriage individual marriage And he's 206 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: got his whole in his own thing that he goes 207 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: to as well. So it's it's both of us. You know, 208 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,719 Speaker 1: you actively working in the marriage. You guys are in it. 209 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: You guys are really putting the work. It's tough. I 210 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: mean sometimes, like after couples therapy, it's really close to 211 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: our house, so a lot of the times I walk 212 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,719 Speaker 1: home just because I just need like a minute. It's 213 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: tough because you're talking about things. It's like, yeah, I 214 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: wish it was a complete fairy tale and perfect, but 215 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: it's not. But at the end of the day, like 216 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: it could be. If you really truly work on it 217 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 1: and both partners are willing to work on it, then 218 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: you could have a beautiful relationship. I love that. So 219 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: here's the deal. I need as much help as all 220 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: of you guys do, and I'm I'm constantly on my 221 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: comments looking at what you guys want and what I 222 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: need to is. So I'm gonna have not only celebrity 223 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: moms on here. I'm gonna have life coaches. I'm going 224 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:39,359 Speaker 1: to have sex experts. I'm gonna have a marriage therapist 225 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: because I know we all need some help. I know 226 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: I do. Caroline's wisen um. She is a life coach 227 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: um works with mom issues, relationship issues, or even just 228 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: life and you can find her at Caroline's Wicksen dot com. Caroline, Hi, Hi, 229 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: how are you. I'm good? How are you? I'm doing great? 230 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: Thank you? So can you tell our listeners, um, just 231 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:05,839 Speaker 1: a little bit about you your background? Yeah? Absolutely so. Um, 232 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 1: I'm a women's someone will help and life coach. Um. 233 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: I'm really passionate about you. Know, connecting, connecting to two um. 234 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: And my background is in psychology, so I have also 235 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: have a master's in counseling psychology, and I specifically now 236 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 1: work with mothers to really reclaim themselves, you know, their 237 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 1: identity after becoming a mom, which so many times get 238 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: so lost. Um, and then also reclaiming your health both 239 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: part of that's amazing. And I'm here with producer Jen too, 240 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: and we were just having that conversation about how it's 241 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 1: that's that's what I'm personally dealing with, is how to 242 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: be able to separate being a mom and then my 243 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: career because I have we have a lot of guilt 244 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: with that too. So what would be like your advice 245 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: for me and mom's out there that are having that problem, 246 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: but having that guilt problem specifically guilt, but then also 247 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: so I guess two things, guilt and then also how 248 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: to how to have my things, like how to have 249 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: my purpose and all of this. Mm hmm yeah, So 250 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: like really like how do you reclaim yourself as a woman? UM? 251 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: So I think a lot of times, you know, like 252 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: the most common thing that I really hear from from 253 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: moms in in my work, if I don't even know 254 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 1: who I am anymore? Right, that real sense of loss 255 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: that like I don't even know what happened to the 256 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: woman who I once was. And then there's this whole 257 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: idea in our society and culture of like bouncing back 258 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: and getting that woman back and getting that life back. 259 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: And what I always tell my clients and what I've 260 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 1: seen a lot of time talking about, is that it's 261 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: not about um, you know, getting back what who you 262 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: once were, but really needing that person that you are now, 263 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: and really needing the woman, the mother that you've evolved into, 264 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: because she has changed, like she's different physically, you know, 265 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: like her value system has changed dramatically, And so really 266 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 1: approaching this topic with a really open mind and open 267 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: heart and really finding out who are you now that 268 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: you've undergone this massive transition? Um? I think. And then 269 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,439 Speaker 1: another point to that is I think something that is 270 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: really important obviously is time. Like so many moms struggle 271 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: with time, and like not even moms right, like everybody 272 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: nowadays struggling with time, UM, and becoming really good at 273 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: delegating and understanding what are at the areas and subchecks 274 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: that you can actually take care of, UM, And what 275 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: do I think that you can really delegate to other people, 276 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: and how can you really structure a support system and 277 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: a tribe around you that is supporting you in you know, 278 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: integrating motherhood into your life. M you know what. I 279 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: love that. Here's my problem with it though, when because 280 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: I sat down with my therapist and I it's just 281 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: like I feel like I'm doing everything, and she goes, well, 282 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: start trying to ask people for help. So but when 283 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: I asked people for help, for example, like my daughter 284 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: had split up in our crib and it took me. 285 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: It was so hard for me to ask my nanny 286 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: to clean the sheets. But why didn't the nanny just 287 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: clean this cheats well? Because she didn't know that she 288 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: had like spit up in there. And so I had asked. 289 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: I asked, nanny, I said, and it was like I 290 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: was like, okay, I'm gonna practice like what my therapist 291 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: told me to do. So I was like, can you 292 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: please change the sheets in like the crib room, you know, 293 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: in her nursery. And I come home and she didn't 294 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: do it. So I'm like, this is why I don't 295 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: ask people to do something, because it doesn't get done 296 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: like I have to just I'm just gonna do it myself, right, 297 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: So that's like where it's like how do I how 298 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: do I delegate? But if I don't like the way 299 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: that it's done or if it's not done, how do 300 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: I deal with that? Well, if it's not done, then 301 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: you know, maybe we're not getting the right kind of support, 302 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: like you honestly like made people that you can trust 303 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: and rely on. Um, and who are you know like 304 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: also like obviously like willing to help you. UM. I 305 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: think that whole like hesitation to ask for help like 306 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: that is really unless so that we can train. I 307 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: think the more we can train ourselves to ask for help, 308 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: the easier it becomes, and the more trusting we also become. 309 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: As we were experiencing over time, but I asked the 310 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: person for help, and they did it, and it was 311 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: done in a way that it was accessible for me 312 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: and for everybody else and from like basically like having 313 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: positive experience, positive experience, positive experience that is current to 314 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: build your trust muscle. It's hard though, So it's really hard, 315 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: and it's really hard to find a team that like 316 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: really you know, puts into your life. Stuff Like a 317 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: friend of mine always as higher really slowly for anyone 318 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: who comes into your personal house. Yeah, hey, true or false. 319 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: If it ain't broke, don't fix it. M M agree. 320 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: I agree with that too. Why do people think that 321 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: that's true though, because it's the easy way out, you know. 322 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: But if you're really talking about creating lives that are 323 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: really fulfilling for ourselves, because a lot of people set 324 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: up for a mediocre life, right. I was texting your 325 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: coach and I was like that, she's gonna say true, 326 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna say b as to that. You are 327 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: a true life coach. People should definitely all right, here's 328 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: another one, true or false. Um, if you can beat them, 329 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 1: join them. If you can't beat them, join them. She's 330 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: passed again. But here's the problem. People think that's like 331 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 1: true stuff can beat them. Yeah yeah, but then you're 332 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: just sacrificing yourself and your own values and that's not 333 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: a good way of living. She's she is. And it starts, 334 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: doesn't it, Caroline. It starts with girls when they're like 335 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,880 Speaker 1: really young in their peer groups. Yeah, and boys too. 336 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 1: I mean, like develop developmentally. They go through like a 337 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: twinship face right where they are basically trying on what 338 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: it's like to be like the other people and they're 339 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 1: like copying everything that somebody else is doing. But I 340 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 1: think that's where, you know, like our parenting comes in 341 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: at some point where we also have to encourage them 342 00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: to be true individuals and a lot of that happens 343 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: of role modeling. Right, how can use it to your 344 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: own values? So how can use it to what's really 345 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 1: important to you? How can you actually speak with an 346 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: authentic voice? And that's what your children will learn? Right? 347 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: Question about that with relationships? What do you what's your 348 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: advice about an argument in front of your children? Is 349 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 1: it something where it? Because here's here's my problem. I 350 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: don't want to be like, oh, we're just like perfect 351 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: and people don't argue, And it's like what is what 352 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: is the line with with that and raising you know, 353 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: showing your children certain things? Yeah, I mean, you know, 354 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: like an argument like it can be like something where 355 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: you're feeling like, Okay, we're actually coming to a solution 356 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: and we're like having a people of conversation. We just 357 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: have different opinions, but we're coming to a compromise. I 358 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: think that's great for your children to be able to watch, 359 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: But if it's a really heated argument, and where like 360 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,400 Speaker 1: basically like the foundation of safety of the family feels 361 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,880 Speaker 1: at risk to a child, I think it's left would 362 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,199 Speaker 1: be taken into another room. So what's the word I 363 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 1: think table it or like like what's the like not 364 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 1: like you know what I mean? Like how do you 365 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: how do you stop something? Then like how do you 366 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: stop the argument? So I think you know one of 367 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 1: you or both ideally like you have to agree, like 368 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: if this happened. Confusually this kind of thing like it happened, 369 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: and then later on you're like, shoot, like this really 370 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: something that happened. You know. Um, then you basically say, 371 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: like the next time, I'm feeling the seats coming up again, 372 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: because usually work of us feel speech when anger rises 373 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: in the body. When I'm feeling the sensation in my body, 374 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: it's going to be my responsibility to say, let's stop 375 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: this conversation now, And that's resument when the kids are 376 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 1: in bed or when you know, when we're out of 377 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: out forever, because I want to like finish it. Also, 378 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: you're heated saying you're not really in the moment. You 379 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: are in the moment of the anger, so you're not 380 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: thinking about anything else around you. How do you how 381 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: do you deal with It's really hard moms wanting to 382 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: separate to there because sometimes I feel lost as not 383 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: only a mom, but as a wife too. Yeah. So 384 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, it's just like who Like like 385 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 1: you said, like who am I? Because I'm like, I'm 386 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: a I'm my wife, I'm a mom, But like what 387 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 1: other where's my Where's Janna? Like where did she go? 388 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:16,120 Speaker 1: Because I'm just trying to please everybody in the family. Yeah, 389 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: And I mean this is again like moms tell me 390 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: I'm losing myself, and dad, it's a husband tell me, 391 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm losing my wife. What happens a 392 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 1: lot because women have the tendency because they drive us crazy. 393 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: That's why they don't know that, you know what, pusnant 394 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: were just talking about that because he goes he's like, why, oh, 395 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: he made a comment about Mother's Day and it was like, 396 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: moms are magical And I go, why did you just 397 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: make that voice? And he goes, oh, sorry, I didn't 398 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: realize it was a Mother's Day ad And I'm like, 399 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: we are magical. We do everything. And he's like, you 400 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: don't do everything? And I was like, where's our daughter 401 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 1: going to preschool. He's like, I was like, you wouldn't 402 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: like you wouldn't think to like like, we just take 403 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: care of it. We don't ask you to help us, 404 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,239 Speaker 1: like I mean, like we we take care of all 405 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 1: of it all. Who's does he know where her dentist is? 406 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: She wouldn't even know when she has to go to 407 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: the dentist. So it's like, but like, but we put 408 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 1: all that pressure on us. But here's the problem. And again, 409 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: like I know how you say to delegate. So I 410 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:15,919 Speaker 1: could be like, honey, make an appointment, and I know 411 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 1: he would, but he wouldn't do it when I want 412 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 1: him to do it, right, it would be two days 413 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: from now, yeah, or like a month from now of course. 414 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: So it's like again, it's like that's where I feel 415 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,959 Speaker 1: like we we um almost like force us, not force ourselves, 416 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: but like we're the reason why we're losing ourselves. Yeah, 417 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: and we're not delegating. Like Caroline just said, we need 418 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: to delegate. We have to well, because I think in 419 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 1: order to delegate effectively in hisself, that goes back to 420 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: what we were talking about earlier. Um, we do have 421 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: to trust the other people and we also have to 422 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: allow other people to do it their way right. So 423 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: like if I'm, for example, like I'm usually a person 424 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: who cooks dinner because I'm also want to food and 425 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: kind of like with them in our family. And if 426 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 1: I now told my husband to make dinner and he's 427 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: starting to make something that you make, like he's not 428 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: going to make the dinner that I make. But I 429 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: have to be okay with that. It's strategic incompetence, and 430 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: I just got with the expectations, like he's he's purposely 431 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: screwing up something because he's like I don't want to 432 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 1: have to do that, like when they go to the 433 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: grocery store and forget to buy four or five things. Yeah, 434 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: and here's the deal. I know, I'm like giving my 435 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 1: husband hard time, but he is great because he does 436 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: he does, you know, help the laundry, although he's never 437 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 1: he's like, these pants don't fit her anymore. I was like, yeah, 438 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 1: because there's six months pants, Like you know what I mean, 439 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,919 Speaker 1: Like you could have put them like away, Why are 440 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 1: you putting those on our daughter? Like it's like, I 441 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: don't think he's ever like, you know, helped. I don't 442 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 1: know how those were still in her door because usually 443 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: I make sure that her clothes are put away that 444 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: don't fit her anymore. But somehow those got in there, 445 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 1: probably because he kept putting them on her like dot her. 446 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 1: But um, you know, I mean he does help, but 447 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: it is hard because again, like as moms like I 448 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: feel like we do put that pressure on ourselves. And 449 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 1: having a life coach help us, I think is would 450 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: be beneficial for me, Oh for sure. So what what 451 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: do you do? Like? How do you is it like 452 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 1: is it like a therapy session? Do I sit down 453 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: and talk to you? Is it something where you know, 454 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: is it like a weekly thing? Is it a monthly thing? 455 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 1: Or how does that work with a life coach? Yeah, 456 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: I mean it can look in different ways. The way 457 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: I work with my clients is UM basically how you 458 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: really greatly? Because we said is it like does it 459 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 1: like therapy? Um? That basically life coaching focus is much 460 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 1: more on the future and really connecting you with your 461 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: intuition and your desired outcomes going forward versus traditional therapy 462 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: really focuses more on your past and really overcoming things 463 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: that happened in your childhood or in your past that 464 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: you're you know, not able to move away from. UM 465 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: and So in coaching, I worked with my clients every 466 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: two weeks, so we speak on the phone every two 467 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 1: weeks UM, and we discussed in our lives what are 468 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 1: their block and then also what are we UM? What 469 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: do you want to achieve? Like what do you want 470 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: to get to UM? And then according to that we 471 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: plan very pretty strategic and set the big action stuff UM. 472 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:06,719 Speaker 1: And then they have two weeks to implement and they 473 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,400 Speaker 1: have unlimited email support. So I work with my clients 474 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: where you know, they can write me an email whenever 475 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: UM they need to in order to update me on 476 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: if something is working at something is not working, and 477 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: then we kind of problem solved from they're amazing. That's awesome. Well, Caroline, 478 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: thank you so much. 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It's a four week 506 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: trial and includes postage and a digital scale. So don't wait. 507 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 1: Go to stamps dot com before you do anything else. 508 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 1: Click on the radio microphone at the top of the 509 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,479 Speaker 1: homepage and type in Janna, that's stamps dot com and 510 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 1: enter Janna. Okay, um, should we talk about sex on 511 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,199 Speaker 1: the show? I think sex? What I mean? It's curious 512 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 1: because I think sex and marriage is a huge issue. Absolutely. 513 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,959 Speaker 1: I have found married and not having sex there is 514 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: a problem that is not being talked about. I mean 515 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: my ex we didn't even sleep in the same bedroom 516 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: for the last two and a half years. That's because 517 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: you guys didn't like each other. Yeah, yeah, because were 518 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 1: you not attracted to your husband? Were you ever? I 519 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 1: think so? I mean that was so long ago. We 520 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: had to have been attracted to him to get married. No, 521 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: I mean I was so young. I was so young? Really? Yeah, 522 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: well you probably yeah, I'm sure I was. There was 523 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 1: a there was a time. Did you ever think about so? 524 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 1: Then you how long? What was the longest you went 525 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: without sleeping with your husband? Probably about three years? Three years? 526 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: No sex? Did you master me? Can we talk about that? That? 527 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 1: Can talk about that much? It's too much because I 528 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: will talk about it. That's the problem. I am. So 529 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 1: we just go too far. What didn't you just go 530 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 1: to want to know if you guys think we're going 531 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: too far, I will stop. I will peg this right 532 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: on up. But here's the problem. If you guys want 533 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 1: to be open book with me, we can talk about 534 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: it all. If you want to send me in your 535 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,719 Speaker 1: questions or your comments, um, you can email me at 536 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 1: Jane Kramer at iHeart media dot com. And if you 537 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,239 Speaker 1: have any questions about sex or what you should do, 538 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: Like I have a friend she doesn't sleep with her husband, 539 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,719 Speaker 1: and I have a hard like they have to like 540 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 1: schedule sex. I'm like, well that's boring. How often do 541 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 1: they schedule it? I think it's like every other month, 542 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 1: like it's second or having sex that's like what like 543 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,719 Speaker 1: the therapist had recommended. So it's like and for me 544 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 1: it's like I actually want to have more sex than 545 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: a husband, which is an issue. So was it always 546 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: that way with him? With Michael? Yeah, well he has 547 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: he's got like intimacy issues, which is something that we 548 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: can talk on. Somebody like that. It's tough. Yeah, that's 549 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: like word really it's so tough. So that's something I 550 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,679 Speaker 1: think we need a marriage counselor on the show for 551 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: that talk. I think so too, because that's that's something 552 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 1: that like he is working on. But it's really hard 553 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 1: for me because I'm like, well, it doesn't have to 554 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: be intimate. Why can't we just like have sex? But 555 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: he connects, he connects to two and you're able to 556 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,120 Speaker 1: next like making love with intimacy, and I'm like, I don't. 557 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: I'm not. We don't have to make love right now. 558 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 1: We can just have sex like you can even yeah, 559 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: I mean like it's cool, but like I for some reason, 560 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: like I need that, like like I don't need the 561 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: fore play. Let's just get to it. I'm fine even 562 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: if I don't climb the hill. Yeah, yes I can. 563 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: It's still like I don't know. I sometimes I think 564 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: it's bad, but I do equate love with sex like 565 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: that he wants me because he's with me, right, But 566 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: that's part of the love addict. Yes, ding ding ding. 567 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: But it's like, man, I feel so rejected as a husband, right, 568 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: and that's not good. When men feel rejected, that's when 569 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: they start to look outside of the marriage. But here's here, 570 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: and here's the issue with me, which is what I 571 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: was like because I wanted sex. I'm like, why did 572 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: you cheat on me? Like I was willing to have 573 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: sex with you. So that's that's the part that stings 574 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: me because I'm like, I begged you for sex, right, 575 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: I wanted to have But that's a totally different issue, 576 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: I know. But that's what's like, there's that that rejection 577 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: piece that I have to work on. So it's like 578 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: when he doesn't want to sleep with me, because for me, personally, 579 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: i'd be happy with I'd be happy with like three 580 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: times a week, like full on three times a week, 581 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: like me actually trying like maybe like twice a week, okay. 582 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: And what about him? What do you think he wants? 583 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: I think he'd be okay with like ones or not 584 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: even once every other do you what do you think 585 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: people do in those situations? Like you guys have been 586 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: going to therapy, what what is the therapist saying, Well, 587 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: we haven't really gotten there because we have so many 588 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: other issues that we have to work on. I mean, 589 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: that's definitely an issue in therapy, but I think that 590 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: something we're still like working on and he's working on 591 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 1: because sometimes like it doesn't have to just be sex, 592 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: but I still want to be able to like I 593 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: want to make out, I want to do those things. 594 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 1: Do you people? I feel like don't make out what 595 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: does he kiss you when he sees you? Does he 596 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: is he affectionate? Y ask? But again I'm I'm more affectionate, 597 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: like again like he because he has that like intimacy issue, 598 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: Like I would be like I have way more p 599 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: d A. But now I've like gone back from that 600 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: because I know he doesn't like it as much. So 601 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 1: it's like, well, then I'm not being myself and that's 602 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: not doesn't feel good for me, and so like we're 603 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: trying to find that healthy balance. But that's the thing, 604 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: Like when I talk to my other girlfriends, it's like 605 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: I'm having sex, it's like whether you want to or not, 606 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 1: do you want your husband stepping out on you know, 607 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: like have sex with them whether you want it or not. 608 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: But then don't be a log because they're like, well, 609 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: of course I don't want to sleep with you because 610 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: you're just like laying there. But then if the person 611 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: really doesn't want to sleep with the guy, it's really 612 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 1: married exactly, I don't know. I mean some things, I 613 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 1: get it. You don't want to have sex, you're tired, 614 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: you've got baby puke all over you, Like I get that. 615 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: But then at the same time, you should. Also, you 616 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: have to have investment in your relationship, and part of 617 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: an investment is having sex. I think it is, But 618 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: I also have women that don't. They aren't just very 619 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: sexual and they don't they've never like masturbated before, and 620 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: I find that crazy. You have friends who have never 621 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: mastered ever, And I'm like, let me walk you into 622 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 1: a hustler store and buy you a rabbit, like it'll 623 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 1: just change your life? Is that? Like? Do you start 624 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: buying mom on Amazon and giving giving one in a while? 625 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 1: I have an old faithful let's just call her old faithful. 626 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: She's been a round. And how does your actually feel? 627 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: Like my husband? We don't really talk about that, really no, 628 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: because it's it's a very touchy subject in the household 629 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: because I don't want him doing that. But does he 630 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: he better not? He must, he can't, he must be 631 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: it's weird again, I can't. It's like it's a it's 632 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: a tough topic because you know it's again. Once there's 633 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: like infidelity, things just kind of go. It's there's different 634 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: boundaries that needs to be in place interest him, Okay, 635 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: boundaries and do you feel like you're on the other 636 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: side of that? Oh, no, No, there's still trust issues. 637 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: I think there's I am trusting him more, but I 638 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: think you always have to continue to work on the trust. 639 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: But I'm willing to talk more about sex if you 640 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 1: guys are so, if you have any questions. Jannekramer, I 641 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: heart media dot Com, Let's talk about it. What is 642 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: pan sexual? Pan Sexual is a term that a lot 643 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: of millennials are using. They're more on the spectrum of sexuality. 644 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: It does has nothing to do with gender, um race age, anything. 645 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 1: It's just they can fall in love with the human being, 646 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: so they don't even consider themselves that liquid. Isn't there 647 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: something another liquid thing? It's like, it's like fluid, fluid fluid, 648 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 1: I'm fluid, Like, isn't the same thing? It's pretty much 649 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: the same thing. It's like you're on a spectrum of you. 650 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: Just it doesn't matter the gender you're just if you 651 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: fall in love with Nikki, who's a girl, happens to 652 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: be a girl, You're in love with Nikki the human 653 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: beings you could ever fall in love with a girl. 654 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 1: I don't think so. I WoT love me well, I 655 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,479 Speaker 1: love you like I'm gonna make you fall in love 656 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 1: with me and I'm getting we're gonna make out with me? 657 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: But um, I feel totally connected to you. But I 658 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: am so right now so so so mand um, I 659 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 1: I think that I you know what, I've never told 660 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 1: this before. Ever. There was this waitress at Friday's. Um. 661 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: I was in high school and I don't remember her name, 662 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 1: but I had the biggest crush on her. She was 663 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 1: like short hair lesbian. Oh wow. But she was like 664 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: cool and like confident and like sexy, and I would 665 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 1: like catch myself flirting with her and I was like, 666 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: am I No, I just like I've never I've never 667 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 1: forgot about her. Wow, weird, right, But I would go 668 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 1: for like more of the like short hair girl, so 669 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: more boyish. Yeah, like I'm obsessed with like um oh 670 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: my gosh, I just read her name. She's married to 671 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,360 Speaker 1: the writer Glendalon Glennon Doyle. She's married. She's a soccer 672 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 1: player Abby, Abby wand box. I have a girl crush 673 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 1: on her? Did you ever have? Never? I don't think 674 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: I could actually go through with it. Yeah, So I've 675 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: never done that. I've never even kissed a girl, even 676 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 1: though I want to sing this song I kissed a girl. No, 677 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 1: but I've never kissed a girl like I mean, I've 678 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: like kissed on like but not like as in like 679 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 1: a lesbian way, lesbian way. He didn't make no no 680 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 1: no no. But I've I've never had that, but I've 681 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 1: I've never thought forgot about the Friday's girl And where 682 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: was she? Where did she? I was a waitress in 683 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 1: Michigan at Friday's. Wow, Yeah, that's never forgotten about her. 684 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 1: I've never what's her name? I don't remember. I had 685 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,840 Speaker 1: a hard time keeping a job when I was in Michigan. 686 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 1: I would just go from job to job. Where did you? Oh? 687 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:59,880 Speaker 1: I worked at Appleby's, Friday's Um American Grill. I worked 688 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: at Joe's Crabshack, Greek Island. I love Greek Island. Yeah. So, like, 689 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:07,920 Speaker 1: you know, my boyfriend would have like a soccer game 690 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 1: and I didn't want to show up for work. That 691 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: was the problem. And I was like good. Yeah, So 692 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: apparently I am really boring because everyone's like telling me 693 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 1: about like they're always like, what shows do you watch? 694 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,720 Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, the one show I did watch 695 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: was over Scandal, right, So I'm like, you know what 696 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 1: I watched? You want to hear what I watched. I 697 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 1: was like Puppy Dog Pals, Mickey Mouse in the Roadster Clubhouse, 698 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 1: Like that's the stuff that I watched. Transformer Like me, 699 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 1: Everyone's like, you don't watch Westworld or you know Handmaid's Tails, 700 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 1: Like I would love to, but by the time it's 701 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,799 Speaker 1: eight o'clock, I want a glass of wine, I want 702 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 1: my bed, and I want to go to sleep. That's it, right, Yeah. 703 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 1: Do you know how many times I've watched Bolt? That's 704 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 1: actually really good. I just watched it the other day. 705 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,479 Speaker 1: It was really cute. Just in the past three days. 706 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 1: Have you seen Up? Have I seen Up? It's so good. 707 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 1: It's so sad, though, I mean, this is like, but 708 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 1: I feel like we should. This is okay because you 709 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,799 Speaker 1: and I are so busy and we just watch like 710 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:12,880 Speaker 1: Up and um Tangled and all those shows. Let's challenge 711 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,279 Speaker 1: each other to watch a show. So it'll be like 712 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,359 Speaker 1: instead of a book club, it'll be a show club. 713 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 1: Which which show? Which show do you want to watch? Well? 714 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 1: I kind of want to watch Handmaids Tale. I've heard 715 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 1: that's really good. Okay, so let's do this because I 716 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 1: know it's challenging. Let's watch two a week. I feel 717 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 1: like that's pretty I can do that. I can do 718 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,800 Speaker 1: that Tuesday and Thursday night. Sure, get on this Sunday, 719 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 1: I'll do Wednesday. I'll do Tuesday Wednesday and when we'll 720 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,399 Speaker 1: talk about it and then we'll talk about it because 721 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,840 Speaker 1: I feel like if I'm not getting because if not, 722 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 1: then I'm just gonna sit down and watch like Kardashian 723 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: reruns until I like get tired enough and fall asleep 724 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:57,040 Speaker 1: and I'll watch, you know, season twelve begun. We need 725 00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 1: to like, we need to be we need we need 726 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,239 Speaker 1: to be cool moms. Okay, like we need to have 727 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,880 Speaker 1: some fun for ourselves. We need to be cool moms. Um, 728 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 1: and you guys feel free to join us and watching 729 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 1: Handmaid's Tale and we can like binge talk about it 730 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,919 Speaker 1: and um, yeah, we can talk all about it because 731 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 1: I feel like for the moms out there that are 732 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:21,279 Speaker 1: just have pop past in their brain, we can now 733 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: be like, yeah, have you watched handmaid Stale? And like 734 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,239 Speaker 1: you can like feel a part of the conversation. It's 735 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 1: a gradual bene. Okay, it's not a binge at all. 736 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:34,399 Speaker 1: It's just reasonable binge. It's a small binge to a week. 737 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,759 Speaker 1: We're going from zero to two huge. That's huge, that's 738 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,240 Speaker 1: two hours. I'm gonna have so much more like knowledge 739 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 1: in life and I'm just gonna walk around being like 740 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,200 Speaker 1: the Handmaids Tale and we're just no idea what it is. 741 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 1: It's so excited handmaidge. There's nuns in it. Oh cool 742 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,959 Speaker 1: there about the nuns. Do you have a thing for nuns? 743 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,200 Speaker 1: Is that your girl across a none? But oh, speaking 744 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:05,759 Speaker 1: of your blonde girl that you loved? Um, who are 745 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,840 Speaker 1: your girl crushes? Do you have them? Celebrity celebrity gerty 746 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 1: girl crush? Well, you know, Kate Hutson cut her hair. 747 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 1: I'm kind of digging on her now she's got cut Yeah, 748 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: Katie Perry too, I'm not into her. No, No, Kate Hudson. 749 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,840 Speaker 1: Kate Hutson, she's got great style. But honestly, you know, 750 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,319 Speaker 1: I would say Kate Hudson ill like cry style and 751 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 1: then um, oh man, that's kind of a tough one. 752 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 1: But you know whose Instagram? I look at a lot. 753 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:39,759 Speaker 1: Who is Um Chloe Kardashian. I love Chloe. She's not 754 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:44,480 Speaker 1: my girl crushed though, Um Drew Barrymore because she's so cute. 755 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,920 Speaker 1: She has everything going on and I want to drink 756 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,680 Speaker 1: rose with her because I just think i'd have her 757 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,960 Speaker 1: on a drink that is so fun um in Sandra Bullock, 758 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 1: I love her, love her. She's so classy. She is 759 00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,920 Speaker 1: She's always kept it classy, even when she was going 760 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,759 Speaker 1: through the worst time of her life. Just the one 761 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,919 Speaker 1: worst time I know he was that was he did 762 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,319 Speaker 1: her wrong. That was just she is great that she's 763 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,400 Speaker 1: just pure class. Yeah, and she's a mom, and yeah, 764 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,319 Speaker 1: I like her a lot. Speaking of Kate Hadson's about 765 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,000 Speaker 1: to have a baby, a baby girl. Yeah, we should 766 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,279 Speaker 1: have her on. I just would love to talk to 767 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,760 Speaker 1: her like how she bounced because she's been married three times. 768 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,280 Speaker 1: I know, well, you know, with three different kids from 769 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,879 Speaker 1: three different daddies. So I'm curious all musicians like her. 770 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 1: She's got a type. She's definitely definitely got a type. 771 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,840 Speaker 1: But I will, you know what. I love her mom 772 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 1: because when I got as soon as I started announcing 773 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,560 Speaker 1: that I was getting divorced, I was like, I'm never 774 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,880 Speaker 1: ever getting married again. I'm going to goldieh on it 775 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,719 Speaker 1: the rest of my life. I mean, it's working for 776 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,920 Speaker 1: right because they wake up every morning and they make 777 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 1: the choice to stay together. There's not a piece of paper. Yeah, well, 778 00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,359 Speaker 1: this is so much about it. I'm so excited. Thank 779 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,360 Speaker 1: you guys so much for listening. Um, this has just 780 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,840 Speaker 1: made my entire world. I hope you guys enjoy it 781 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 1: as much as I have. UM and Jen, you're so sweet. 782 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 1: Thank you for being here with me. Anything you guys 783 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,040 Speaker 1: want to talk about, please let me know any advice, 784 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,040 Speaker 1: what you just anything, I mean, let's talk about it all. 785 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,120 Speaker 1: Email me at Janne Kramer at iHeartMedia dot com and 786 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,000 Speaker 1: we'll be back next week and we'll wind down together 787 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:20,360 Speaker 1: again