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Speaker 1: as a money making venture. If there can be a

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00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: Belk Bowl, if there can be a Manscaped Bowl, there

432
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: can be a Jimmy Kimmelbull. And I'm an issue with that,

433
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 1: especially somebody who went to a s U and went

434
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: to U n LB. So he's actually, you know, represented

435
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: both conferences. There's people who think that he's too political

436
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 1: therefore shouldn't have his name on anything as it relates

437
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: to college sports. You know, if you pay for it,

438
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 1: you can have it. Yeah, you should just be happy

439
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 1: that check clears if cares about his politics, if that

440
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 1: money goes in your pocket. Come on, now, yep, you

441
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 1: are right, bro. Um. There have been oh, now, there

442
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: was the n C Double, the Austin versus the n

443
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: C Double, a case which has dominated headlines as well.

444
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: You have had the Um and that's the case that

445
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court just weighed in on that said that

446
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: was well, that it was an antitrust lawsuit where the

447
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: Austin was saying that the value of the scholarship should

448
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: not be kept at the cost of attendance, and that

449
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: means that they sold that. The lower courts ruled that

450
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: they that Austin won, and the Supreme Court just upheld it.

451
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: The n C double A spent seventy three million dollars

452
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: in the last year on legal fees fighting this, and

453
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: it was stupid. I mean, like, this is literally a

454
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: out schools being able to pay for laptops, telescopes, freaking

455
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: uh anything as it relates to schooling and the education

456
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: of the athletes. And people say, oh, it will be abused. Well,

457
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: if they're taking a class on geology and they need

458
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: a microscope or it would help them, then yeah, it

459
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: could it be something that is it something they need?

460
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: Maybe not necessarily, but whatever, right, And I'm just like,

461
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: they fought this tooth and nail, but this is educational stuff.

462
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: This is not named image and likeness. This should have

463
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: been a no brainer, Ralph, but they spent seventy three

464
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: million dollars fighting it. That's because all they care about

465
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: is the status quo. They don't want to give up

466
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: an inch because they're afraid it will all fall apart.

467
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: They're trying to hang on to the grift of amateurism

468
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: as long as possible. And I don't blame them for

469
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: doing that. You know, they've they've got a good gig

470
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: going where their entire job, especially guys like you know

471
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: Mark Emmert. He used to walk around in a suit

472
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: every day collect and checks by telling people who drive

473
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: earnings that they don't get any of them. That's his

474
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: entire job is spending the money that other people generate.

475
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: It's a great gig if you can get it, and

476
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: he's working on making sure that he can hold onto

477
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: parts of it as long as possible, and so can

478
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: all of his cronies. Um. It is absurd to spend

479
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: that level of money, which again was paid for by

480
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: the student athletes, in order to try to defend the

481
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: student athletes from accidentally, um being able to have all

482
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: their school supplies. Now, I mean, there's probably gonna be

483
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: some latitude is to like, what's what things are used

484
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: for school, um, and what aren't. But at the same time,

485
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: if you need something to be successful in school and

486
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: you have been told that you can't have a job,

487
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: that's the other thing that we forget about the n

488
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: C double A is if you are a scholarship athlete

489
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: in season, you can't be working like you cannot do that,

490
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: so you can't even really be working out of season

491
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: because there's so much practice right right, And so I

492
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: mean there's people who do it. There's people who find

493
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: workarounds all the time for for stuff like that. Um,

494
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: you know, I've I've had a Division one athlete, football

495
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: player within the Pack twelve during the offseason hit me

496
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: up once a week just to see if he can

497
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: wash my car for gas money. This is a real thing.

498
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: Like I have a current Division one football player that

499
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: has asked me if he can do odd jobs no

500
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: less than a dozen times, just so that they can

501
00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: have gas to get from Yeah. Yeah, And that's like

502
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: a super common thing. And I've never given anybody any

503
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: money that's not allowed. And I always try to refer

504
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: them to uh people that would be better because that's

505
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: not necessarily the most appropriate um situation for me to

506
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: be in. But absolutely absolutely I talked with student athletes

507
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: all the time about just like how tough it is

508
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: when they're in that situation. You know, they see their classmates,

509
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: um going to Cabo for spring break and they have

510
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: spring practice, and they would love to be able to

511
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: do college student things because supposedly they're just college students.

512
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: They're amateurs, they're not actual money making athletes, but they

513
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: can't go and participate in a lot of those things.

514
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: I have a cousin who was asked to join the

515
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: Colorado State football team, but he would not have been

516
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: able to study abroad in Patagonia because he would no

517
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,719
Speaker 1: longer have been a real student, even as a walk on.

518
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: They would not have real student anymore. So the entire

519
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: idea that these are student athletes and the student comes first.

520
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: But when you make sure they can't student correctly, and

521
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: you know that they can't participate in all the offerings

522
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: that exist to students on campus, it is absurd that

523
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: you would not at least try to find ways to

524
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: fund the part of the student lower case s that

525
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: they actually get to be. Dude, you are one hundred

526
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: percent right, Bro, you are one right. This is silliness.

527
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: This is absolute silliness that we're even in this situation

528
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: to where student athletes like if you go take a

529
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: graduate paid graduate internship that you can't now that you're

530
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: ineligible what every other student on campus is eligible to do.

531
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Speaker 1: This I hate it so much, Like this is one

532
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: of those I I hated here that this is worse

533
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: than peanut butter and fucking chocolate together. Well uh no, uh,

534
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: I mean yes, it's definitely is worse than something that

535
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: is good. Um, but I do I do want to

536
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: point out that, like, it is really funny that that

537
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: as the college athletic budgets expand and expand and expanded obviously,

538
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: and everything that happened in an anomaly. For the most part,

539
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: these budgets inflate and expand on a yearly basis, with

540
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: the increased ticket prices, with increased merged sales, with increased

541
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: TV money and more bowl opportunities and everything like that,

542
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: all this money is going into a pot and colleges

543
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: have to spend it somehow, so they'll go out and

544
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: they'll get fifty different grad assistance and uh part time

545
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 1: employees who were also students at the college to work

546
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: within the program, when all along, they could have been

547
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: paying the players that come to practice to be the

548
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: ones to move the cones and pads around and set

549
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: practice up themselves, and they could have been paying them

550
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 1: ten bucks an hour this entire time. But instead they

551
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: have to find other students at the college who aren't

552
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: on the team that are then eligible for that money.

553
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: That the student athletes brought in and that will never

554
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: not be insane to me that if you go to

555
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: any college football practice in America, there's gonna be a

556
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: bunch of dudes. They are making ten bucks an hour

557
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: to help out with little things here and there um

558
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: to build around these players who enabled that wage but

559
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: can't partake in it. So I don't know, man, I

560
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: just think that everything is a step in the right direction,

561
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: and you and I have talked about it on Rice

562
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 1: stor wrong. Everything is a step in the right direction,

563
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: but there will be gnashing of teeth and over corrections

564
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: because you drug your feet and if you leave it

565
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: in the hands of judges, they're gonna come back and

566
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: they're gonna do what Brett Kavanaugh did. They're gonna tell

567
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: you your whole situations bullshit, yep, yep. And I love

568
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: thee I love the fact that they are keeping it

569
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: one hundred about this right that they are, that Brett

570
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: Kavanaugh and other people have actually have the courage to

571
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: tell the truth, you know what I mean, and that

572
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,760
Speaker 1: they're instead of bullshit and about it and just keeping

573
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: things as the status quo. I love it. I think

574
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: that it's the right thing to do. And now though

575
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: the n C Double A is in trouble and they're

576
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: trying to save themselves because the UM. They put out

577
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: a statement today Mark Emritt did. He sent it out

578
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: via email too, and it was about name, image and likeness,

579
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: and m Nicole our Back tweeted it out. You're you're

580
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: you're better at reading and summarizing these things than that

581
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: I am. But so what we have that has happened

582
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: right is that July one, you're gonna have bills that

583
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: have that are gonna go in place in different states

584
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: about name, image and likeness. All of them are completely different.

585
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: In the state of Georgia, they said that schools can

586
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: take up to sev of what a kid makes in

587
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: distribute distributed to other players. Some of them talk about

588
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: health care, and some of them talk about guaranteed scholarships,

589
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: actual payments from the school. There's all sorts of things,

590
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: but name, image and likeness in general is simply about

591
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:43,280
Speaker 1: each individual student athlete being able to monetize their brand,

592
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: their own personal brand, whether it's via YouTube, podcast, car dealership, endorsements,

593
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: UM headphones, any draw of their artwork, music, career, anything,

594
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: any thing that they want to do that, they can

595
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 1: make money off of it, just like any other student

596
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: on campus. That's the crux of it. It is not

597
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: even about the school like taking money out of the

598
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: school's pocket to pay the student athletes. That's not what

599
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: it's about. And that's why it doesn't fall under a

600
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: Title nine provision because female athletes have the exact capability

601
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: to make money as men do. Look at like, imagine

602
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: how much money Katie Ladecki couldn't make being able to

603
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: compete in college and being able to beat make money

604
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: Caitlin oh Ohashi U c l A when she was there,

605
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 1: or uh Sabrina iron as q it Oregon, or Agia

606
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: Wilson when she was at where she at South Carolina

607
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: or Mississippi State South Carolina, so many others like the

608
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: same way, Like it's not a and then volleyball players

609
00:38:58,440 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: will be able to make money. Some of them are

610
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: super popular on their campus, softball, all of these things.

611
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 1: So it's a fairness scale because you are literally able

612
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: to make money based upon your popularity and that's the

613
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: way it works in life, and any other iteration of

614
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: that is crazy to me. Ralph. Yeah, let me let

615
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: me paint you a situation, and everyone's like, well, how

616
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: how are these female athletes gonna make any money? Like,

617
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: let me give you a really specific scenario. Okay, Let's

618
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: say that your club basketball team or high school basketball

619
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: team is getting ready to play a big game, right

620
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: and your school's booster club or the slush fund for

621
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: the a AU team decides that one of the ways

622
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 1: to get the girls on your team jacked up for

623
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: this big game would be to reach out to Sabrina

624
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: i An ask you who is on cameo at the

625
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: time while in Oregon, as it would be allowed by

626
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: current rules, and pay her a hundred bucks to give

627
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 1: a thirty second pet talk to all of the girls

628
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 1: in that locker room who want to be just like her?

629
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 1: Are you telling me that they wouldn't take advantage of

630
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: something like that if they had the opportunity to, of

631
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 1: course they would. There's a I can think of literally

632
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: a million different and maybe it's just a lack of

633
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 1: imagination on people's parts, but there is um There was

634
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: a girl who ran track for University of Utah and

635
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: her name escapes me right now, but she's from Chaparral

636
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: High School in Scottsdale, Arizona. While she was running track

637
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: for University of or for University of Utah. While she

638
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: was running track there, she was also making art and

639
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: she was posting all of her art on her Instagram.

640
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 1: If somebody wanted to purchase some art that she made,

641
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: they are not able to do so at this time.

642
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: But under the name, image and likeness update and hopefully

643
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: there there is one nationally really and we'll get into

644
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: what Mark Emverrett said here in a second, But if

645
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Speaker 1: there was an update, then maybe she would be able

646
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: to do those things which any normal human being should

647
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: be able to participate in the economy period, like you

648
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: should be Nicomanion, who went to University of Arizona for

649
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: one year out of Pinnacle High School in North Phoenix,

650
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: went into college with over a hundred thousand followers on Instagram.

651
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: He should have been able to wear somebody's T shirt. Uh,

652
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: he should have been able to wear somebody's Niche Clothing

653
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: brand T shirt and charge seventy bucks to post a

654
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: picture with it, because that's how normal society works. But

655
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: it can't yet. And here is what Mark Emmett said. Um,

656
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: he said a lot, but I'm a stick to just this.

657
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: Although permanent name image and likeness rule changes by July

658
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: one are unlikely due to the current legal environment. We're

659
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: working with divisional governance bodies to develop interiom solutions that

660
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: will fairly allow student athletes to take advantage of name,

661
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: image likeness opportunities regardless of the state in which they

662
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,720
Speaker 1: are enrolled. Our intent is to have these innerim measures

663
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: in place by July one, which is like a week

664
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: from now. Equally important, we remain committed to working with

665
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: Congress to chart a path forward, which is the point

666
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: of the Supreme Court expressly stated in the Austin ruling.

667
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 1: Now here's the thing. The n C double A has

668
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 1: done nothing but dragged their feet. They're not committed to anything.

669
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: Mark Emmert's not committed to make them sure that an

670
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: n I L works for everybody equally. And he is

671
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,760
Speaker 1: right that the current legislative environment is an absolute mess.

672
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 1: But you aren't forced to do things against your will

673
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: if you're willing the end, And so now they're gonna

674
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: put out temporary guidelines that might run a foul of

675
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: state law. What do you do, George, What do you

676
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: do if you're in that position? What do you do

677
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: if you're in that position? George. Where your state law

678
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 1: says one thing, in the n C double A guidelines

679
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: say another, I'm going with my state laws. Because you

680
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: violate state laws, you end up with state problems. The

681
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 1: the n C double A can't even like, can't even

682
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: stop people from violating their own rules. So I would

683
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: more likely operate under my state guidelines than the n

684
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: C double A because they supersede the n C double A,

685
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: you would think. So it's it's like it's like listening

686
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: to the crossing guard or listening to your mom. Who

687
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: are you gonna listen to? So the point that you

688
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: just made is the reason that I asked Larry Scott

689
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: while he was still Commissioner a year and a half ago,

690
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: now almost two years ago, now what he was going

691
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: to do about the fact that most of his states

692
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: existed in uh or most of his schools existed in

693
00:43:54,360 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 1: states where marijuana use was legal, both medicinally and recreational e.

694
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: But guess what. The n C double A supersedes state law,

695
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: and they can kick you off the team, kick you

696
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:10,240
Speaker 1: out of school, take away your scholarship, and for participating

697
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: in legal activities within your state for somebody in your

698
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: age range. So Here's what I'm worried about. George. You

699
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: say you're gonna go with state law, but the n

700
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: C double A comes along and revokes your scholarship because

701
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: your state said you could do something, but the temporary

702
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: guidelines of the n C double A don't want to

703
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: let you go that far. That's how it exist, That's

704
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: how it it functions with marijuana laws right now, why

705
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: wouldn't it be that way with the name, image and lightness.

706
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: They're not going to let these states do because see

707
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: the see the difference is is that marijuana is illegal federally.

708
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: That's where it That's where I mean, like, that's why

709
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: you have dispensaries in different states that are operating. But

710
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: then if they ship something across the state from state

711
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: to s eight, now they are in violation of federal law.

712
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: So but there's no federal that like, there is no

713
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: federal law. That's that's why the Congress has to get

714
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,720
Speaker 1: involved with this because there has to be some uniform resolution.

715
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: And I guarantee you the n C double A will

716
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: not come up with something that is going to be

717
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: tenable for the athletes because they're the reason that it

718
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: doesn't exist in the first place. Why would we ever

719
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: expect the n C Double A to be a leader

720
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: when they've been the one blocking the path? Right? Like

721
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: this is like asking, you know, asking Rudy Gobert to

722
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 1: be the best offensive player on the Jazz Like That's

723
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: not his job. His job is defense, right. The n

724
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 1: C Double a's job is to uphold the guidelines that

725
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: they believe are in the best interests of the student

726
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: athletes a k A. The best interests of him so else.

727
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: Their job is to uphold those guidelines, that is it.

728
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: Their job is not to make a new path forward

729
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: that would be potentially dangerous for their product and the

730
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: way that they are structured, and it would be you

731
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 1: will have people, George, you will have people cash in

732
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: on n I L in a way that makes playing

733
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: the sport that they didn't love to play in the

734
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: first place unnecessary. You're going to have people cash in

735
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 1: on n I L in a way that makes them

736
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: playing the sport unnecessary, and they will walk away to

737
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: pursue whatever that career path or opportunity is that opened

738
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: up for them. And the n C Double A is

739
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: afraid of that because as it currently stands, if you

740
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: want to do something like that they can paint you

741
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: as a malcontent or someone who is morally reprehensible um

742
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: or or anything of that nature. And so you know

743
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: they're just never going to be the ones to do it.

744
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 1: It has to come from Congress. And then you look

745
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: at Congress and they're like mean median age of like

746
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: sixty five, and you don't even know if they know

747
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: what TikTok is or how somebody could monetize it. And

748
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: so we're in a really brutal situation right now where

749
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,240
Speaker 1: it might have to be your girl Cassandra who writes

750
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,439
Speaker 1: about all the n i LL stuff at Unafraid show

751
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: dot com. She might have to be the one to

752
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: come up with the rule in the first place, because

753
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: I think she understands it a lot better than the

754
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: n C double A and and some of these congress

755
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: men and women do in the first place. Yeah, because

756
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: they have so much other stuff going on that I mean,

757
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: they're they're literally one hour listening to something on critical

758
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: race theory. Next thing, they're listening on voting rights, next thing, oh,

759
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: college college sports. You can't be a master of all

760
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: of these things. They don't have magic knowledge. You need

761
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: an actual expert in that field to develop the rules

762
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: in it, and the n c double A has that expertise,

763
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 1: but they want to keep the same antiquated rules and

764
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: that's not gonna work. UM. The next thing up is

765
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 1: there are some new transfers in the back twelve. You've

766
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 1: had kids to leave one school to go to another school,

767
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: and a school that I think had the biggest impact

768
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: is Colorado, right probably. I mean Sam Noyer was the

769
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: starting quarterback last year. It's a lot like the University

770
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: of Oregon situation. Starting quarterback basically told in camp that like, ay,

771
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: this job looks like it's going to go to somebody else. Uh,

772
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: and then you see, um some movement because you gotta

773
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: you gotta go where you're wanted. UM. Unfortunately in in

774
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 1: this college football economy. UM. I don't know how you

775
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: feel about that, George. I feel like if you were

776
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 1: the if you were the starting quarterback, UM, and I

777
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: know that he had a voyage from quarterback to safety,

778
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: back to quarterback. UM, I feel like you should be

779
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: given every opportunity to retain that gig, especially if you

780
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: you played well. And I'm not sure that Sam Nouler

781
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 1: was afforded those opportunities. I don't. I don't believe. So.

782
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: I believe that you should get that everything should be

783
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: a competition. That if you are a player and you

784
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: start a season right and you're the starter the previous year,

785
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean you're going to be the starter the

786
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: next year. It should be always be a competition. The

787
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: best person should be able to win. It doesn't matter

788
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: if Sam Noyer was the starting quarterback for three years.

789
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: If a better quarterback comes along, that's not my problem.

790
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: This is a meritocracy, this is sports. I'm sorry for

791
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: your loss. I'm sorry that it worked out that way

792
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: for you. And if that's the case, then you need

793
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 1: to move on to somebody's to somewhere else. But he's

794
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 1: doing going to do the same thing to somebody else,

795
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 1: potentially Ingeba up at Oregon State. So how how am

796
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: I supposed to feel some kind of bad about this?

797
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: At least he stayed in the Pact twelve within basketball,

798
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: let's get and bad for our league right now, which

799
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: we had all that good news and the deep tournament run,

800
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: and look at this. This is something that I'm taking

801
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: from uh Matt Wadley who wrote this for Trojan wire

802
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 1: um which I know a couple of people who contribute

803
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: for Trojan Wire and they do good work. But I'm

804
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 1: gonna read this to you and I want I want

805
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: your reaction. UM CBS Sports compile the list of transfer

806
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: rankings in the Pack twelve had four of the top

807
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: seven players in those rankings. Matt Bradley left cal to

808
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: play at San Diego State, Timmy Allen departed Utah for Texas,

809
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: Remy Barton dashed from Arizona State to join Kansas, and

810
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: James A. Kin Joe left Arizona to head to Baylor,

811
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: the team that won the whole thing this past season.

812
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: All four of those should play big roles on their

813
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: new teams, with Bradley arguably playing the biggest after the

814
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: Aztecs lost Matt Mitchell and Jordan's shake Old to the

815
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: pro ranks. So you have um, you know, Boogie Ellis

816
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: did go from Memphis to to USC There were some

817
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:59,399
Speaker 1: transfers into the Pack twelve, but you have probably four

818
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: of the top of teen players within the Pact twelve

819
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: moving out of the conference. Is that something that we

820
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: should be alarmed by or is that just the way

821
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: things are? That's just the way things are. I mean,

822
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 1: you you you've had Dana Altman be on the I

823
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: would say the you know, they've had a bunch of

824
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: transfers out, but then they get them right back again too,

825
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: so you know, you this is the landscape of college athletics.

826
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: You have to be able to govern your own roster

827
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: and be scouting other people's rosters at the same time,

828
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: which means you probably need a bigger scouting department in college.

829
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,879
Speaker 1: So I'm not mad at it. I get it. It's

830
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 1: just the landscape that we live in now. Yeah, I

831
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: think I'm Probably one of my favorite things about college

832
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: sports was the development of athletes over time. Um. The

833
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:00,320
Speaker 1: transfer portal is taking a lot of what my favorite

834
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: thing was about the game, which is progression. Um Yeah,

835
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: and seeing a guy grow from one where you're where

836
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,280
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, he wasn't that great as a freshman,

837
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: and now you're like, oh, snap, he's much better. One

838
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: of the funnest things to do is take like the

839
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: guys that I followed in the nineties and early two

840
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: thousands in the NBA and go back to their college stats,

841
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: and you always see that huge jump from sophomore to

842
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: junior year, Like that's not how things are anymore. And

843
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 1: and you know if if if you're not gonna do

844
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 1: for me, um right away, h, then you know that

845
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 1: might affect my ability to keep my job. So I'm

846
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: gonna have to recruit over you. Player development is what's suffering.

847
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 1: And the funny thing is you watch you watch Gonzaga

848
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: have all this success year over year, and they do

849
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 1: it that way, and so there's still a home for it. Um.

850
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's just with so many

851
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: people moving, so many people needing a fresh start to

852
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: be temporarily satisfied in what is more and more an

853
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: immediate gratification culture. Um, this is just gonna be the

854
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:10,439
Speaker 1: way that it is. And I'm trying to find things

855
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: I like about it, but I don't know. I don't

856
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 1: want to be one of those old crotchety like the

857
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: things are changing and I don't want to go along

858
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: with them, and I'm finding less enjoyment in it. But

859
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: that's just the truth. Man. My favorite thing about college

860
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: sports was player development, and uh, that's just gone by

861
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 1: the way. So and now you're our old man screaming

862
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: at the clouds. Um. The last thing up is well, okay,

863
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: so look we have talked extensively about the Arizona State scandal,

864
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 1: and I'll put a link in in this episode if

865
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: you want to go back and listen to the other episodes.

866
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: But so we've covered this, Uh, I thought we're gonna

867
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: go over it today, but it it kind of feels redundant,

868
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: like there's more information that is being unearthed as as

869
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: we speak. We could just take ourselves out of it

870
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: completely and just acknowledge what's happening at this point in time. Yes, yes,

871
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 1: that that if the if these things in the dossier

872
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 1: become public, it could be very difficult for her Edwards

873
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: and Antonio Pierce and some other guys on that staff

874
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:36,879
Speaker 1: to keep their jobs. That's the bottom line. So there

875
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: are powers that be that don't want it to come

876
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 1: to light, and we will ultimately see who wins that battle. Yeah,

877
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: so quick quick refresher uh. Doug Holler of The Athletic

878
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: made it public that there was an investigation into Arizona

879
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 1: State at the n C Double A level. And the

880
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: reason that the n C Double A was able to

881
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: kick off in an investigation is because the n C

882
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: Double A and A s U both received essentially dossier's

883
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: and or email packets full of UM text message exchanges,

884
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: possibly photo audio. We don't know because Pete Famil of

885
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 1: Yahoo Sports, who was after it, I don't believe ever

886
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 1: ended up getting his hands on it, which is what

887
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 1: delayed his ability to break the story because he had

888
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: been working on it for a while. Bruce Feldman jumps

889
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: in and they bring some additional details on the side

890
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,439
Speaker 1: of of the athletic that that basically states that Herm

891
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: Edwards is directly implicated. And what it comes down to

892
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 1: is what can be proven. There are a lot of

893
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 1: allegations out there, but the allegations that have been made

894
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: public through credible media sources are that Arizona State was

895
00:55:50,880 --> 00:56:00,879
Speaker 1: bringing kids into the facility during a COVID caused dead period, yes,

896
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: and turning off cameras in all sorts of other things,

897
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: and potentially punishing employees who were not okay with the

898
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 1: idea that the team that lost more games to COVID

899
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: than anyone else in the Pack twelve was potentially flying

900
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: people in the tour the facility and hang out with

901
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:28,280
Speaker 1: the head coach who had also had COVID um during

902
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: and after the season. So um, and there are other things.

903
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: You know, there's uh An accusation that they paid for

904
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: somebody to come out to the UM Bowl game in

905
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,760
Speaker 1: El Paso and was hanging out at the team facility,

906
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 1: and that people had issues with it. Then there's obviously

907
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: whistleblowers who currently work within the program and who used

908
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 1: to work with the program. And the thing that makes

909
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: this Arizona State scandal unique amongst all college football recruiting

910
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 1: scandals because it's just guidelines. They're just minor biolations that

911
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: when pile up, can can can be a really big deal.

912
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:06,959
Speaker 1: The thing that makes this different is that you seem

913
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: to have a lot of people who are discontent with

914
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: the way that things are going, who are willing to

915
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: speak with media and investigators and things like that, which

916
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: doesn't typically happen. Usually everybody closes up ranks when n

917
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: C double A comes sniffing. They aren't happy to talk.

918
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: And so Arizona State is going to have to find

919
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: some way to either wriggle their way out of this

920
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: or explain why they did what they did, or explain

921
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: why what they're being accused of isn't actually a real thing,

922
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: but it at this point in time seems to be

923
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: something that could affect herm Edwards and and most of

924
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: the attention right now UM is focused upon the the

925
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: defensive coaching staff UM under Antonio Pierce, as well as

926
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: some of the younger hires that replaced some people. UM

927
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: that we're at Arizona State. So those are just the facts. UM.

928
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 1: We have people mad at us for knowing about them

929
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: before they were going to happen. UM. We have people

930
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: that are upset at you for what they believe is

931
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: overhiving it. And again not everything that we were privy

932
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: too has been has been uh publicly UM released through

933
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 1: credible sources. So you know, it's a waiting game. And

934
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 1: if I wouldn't mind if you ended up being incorrect

935
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: and that stuff never comes out because it's pretty dumb

936
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: and damaging. So that's where we're at as far as

937
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: what Arizona State is gonna be able to do from here.

938
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 1: The model is dragged your feet, but the model doesn't

939
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 1: usually include whistleblowers. Correct that. And that's the difference is

940
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 1: that I don't think that people have fully understood that that.

941
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: That's the difference in this and a lot of the

942
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 1: other things that we've seen is that there are people

943
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: who are willing to talk and that's the part that's

944
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 1: not typical, Like people aren't usually willing to talk about

945
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: these things, so to force them to get them to

946
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 1: talk about it is is of note. It's very very notable. Um.

947
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: The last thing though, is that there are three new

948
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 1: Pack twelve podcasts Ralph Ralph has unearthed them. We have competitors.

949
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: But I am excited about it. And the reason why

950
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: I'm excited about it is because I believe that the

951
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 1: conference needs more coverage. Some of the Pack twelve podcasts

952
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: have started gone gone away, so yes, they're still more,

953
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 1: but not all of them are active. So I like

954
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: it for the conference. But I also at the same

955
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 1: time realized what the situation is. I think at one

956
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 1: point we were competition. Even though we do this because

957
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 1: we want to, I didn't even know what else was

958
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: out there. Um when we first started out, I listened

959
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 1: to most of what what else is out there? And

960
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: I think everybody has their own uh niche. I know

961
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: that podcast of champions Um with David Woods and Ryan

962
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: Abraham is extremely popular part of the Seven Sports Network.

963
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: Those guys are plugged into recruiting. UM. I I enjoyed

964
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: the show. Um, it doesn't seem like David Woods likes

965
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 1: UH football or college UM for some reason, but for

966
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 1: some reason it works and and it's an entertaining show.

967
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: Twelve Pack Radio is probably UM is probably one of

968
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 1: my favorites because it's super analysis heavy, which gives another

969
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: side UM to to you know, things that that we do.

970
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 1: And and if I could recommend one of the ones

971
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 1: that just came out, and you know, you can jump

972
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 1: on Apple and search Pack twelve and see everything else

973
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: that's that's out there. Make sure to subscribe and and

974
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 1: and review ours and you know, we always do a

975
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 1: good job I think of of having people that that

976
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 1: are our listeners participate in in the show UM. But

977
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 1: if if I could recommend any of the ones that

978
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 1: have been started up. We got a guy named Andrew

979
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: Hobner out in UH Oregon who started Pack twelve this

980
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 1: week and he has been one by one interviewing every

981
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:06,919
Speaker 1: single athletic director and some of that information has been really,

982
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 1: really good. I'm the one that stands out right now

983
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 1: is Ray Anderson talking about how he expects to get

984
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 1: an apology from everybody when they bust. Everybody's asked this

985
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 1: season UM for some of the nastiness that that went

986
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 1: his way when he hired his friend Herm Edwards. Now

987
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 1: that was before the news that dropped ultimately dropped. But um,

988
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 1: he's gotten some really good stuff out of some of

989
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 1: these A D s and uh and and I really

990
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 1: really like it. It's called Pack twelve this week with

991
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 1: Andrew Hobner. Um, so we're we're out here, we're giving

992
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: plugs to to some of the people who are are

993
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 1: are competitors in this space. Um, but you're right, the more,

994
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 1: the more, the merrier room for everybody, and the more

995
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 1: people out there doing this means the more interest exists.

996
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 1: And you know, I continue to hope that that that uh,

997
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 1: when people think of the Pack twelve, they think of

998
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 1: us and definitely want to be the best. And and

999
01:01:54,520 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 1: when you think of exactly and and that was me

1000
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 1: being as competitive as I'll ever get there, you go

1001
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 1: is that I would prefer that people who listen to

1002
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 1: pactwelve podcasts gave us a chance to how you're you're

1003
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 1: you're funny and we know you're extremely competitive. But that's fine. Um,

1004
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 1: you guys, that's the Pac twelve apostles for this week.

1005
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 1: We will be back every week now through football season. Um,

1006
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 1: we're super well almost every week, starting in what's What's that?

1007
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 1: We are in June, so we'll be off next week

1008
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 1: and then back the week after so yeah, so then

1009
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 1: after that you got us every week with football season,

1010
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,919
Speaker 1: all right, you guys, peace out, Catch you guys next week.