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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're never done building draft boards.

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Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal here in the garage, ready to talk

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Speaker 1: some football with one of my.

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Speaker 2: Favorite people to talk football with in the whole world.

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Speaker 1: It's Nick Shook. Its ranking season Shook. Are you ready?

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Speaker 3: I was born for this, Greg, and it happens to

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Speaker 3: be my birthday, so I'm just.

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Speaker 4: Twice as ready to again.

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Speaker 1: WHOA, I didn't know this that Happy birthday to Nick Schuck.

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Speaker 2: What are you gonna do to celebrate?

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Speaker 4: Go watch my nephew play baseball?

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's cool, family good stuff. Yeah, coach, I almost

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Speaker 1: feel bad making you work on your birthday, but this

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Speaker 1: is fun. I guess I did somewhat get into blogging

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Speaker 1: and writing about football and into the sport because I

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Speaker 1: like stupid stuff like offseason rankings. And so we're gonna

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Speaker 1: do this semi regularly in the off season. Maybe might

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Speaker 1: even be a Monday Morning drop every week doing some rankings.

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Speaker 1: And I thought we would start with an esoteric one.

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Speaker 1: We're going to do best position groups in the entire NFL.

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Speaker 1: We're just going to go back and forth picking who

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Speaker 1: we think best position group one to twenty, you know,

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Speaker 1: not too formal some rules here. We split up the

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Speaker 1: guards and tackles, like we decided offensive line that's not

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Speaker 1: a group.

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Speaker 2: Guards, that's a group.

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Speaker 1: Same with the edges and defensive tackles, cornerback safeties that

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Speaker 1: is a position group.

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Speaker 2: And we're just going back and forth.

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Speaker 1: Gives us a chance to talk about like where teams

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Speaker 1: are the strongest in the entire league.

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Speaker 2: I'll just get us going.

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Speaker 1: How about that, Nick, Let's do it, and this would

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Speaker 1: be in my mind because I am going top to

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Speaker 1: bottom the best position group in the entire NFL at

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Speaker 1: any position.

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Speaker 3: I got a note, Greg before we start. I got

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Speaker 3: to stop you right there because those who are not

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Speaker 3: watching on YouTube need to watch because Greg has his best.

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Speaker 3: Less Sneed Look right now, he's got a little tan,

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Speaker 3: He's got a little.

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Speaker 4: Color in the skin.

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Speaker 3: So if anybody's built to do this and crush it,

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Speaker 3: it's Greg less Sneed Rosenthal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I wish, I wish I had the hair that

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Speaker 2: less Sneed had.

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Speaker 4: You get pretty much?

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm hanging out. Let's go with some guys. Do

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Speaker 2: they have good hair? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: The Eagles tackles position that is my number one position

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Speaker 1: group in the entire NFL. I just think if you

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Speaker 1: start with a surefire in my mind, first ballot Hall

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Speaker 1: of Famer Lane Johnson, still playing close to his very peak,

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Speaker 1: and then on the other side you have one of

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Speaker 1: the scariest individuals in the entire league, Jordan Milatta, who

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Speaker 1: has great pipes in addition to great hair. That was

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Speaker 1: a tough one to be like. I kept going through

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Speaker 1: other position groups. I was like, I think I would

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Speaker 1: take the Eagles tackles ahead of them, and then a

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Speaker 1: little extra sauce on the back end. They signed Kendall

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Speaker 1: Lamb in the offseason from the Dolphins, who quietly was

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Speaker 1: pretty decent for the Miami Dolphins, and I'm like, that's

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Speaker 1: a pretty good swing tackle. They drafted a couple guys

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Speaker 1: in the sixth seventh round this year, Miles Hinton and

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Speaker 1: Cam Williams, just for depth. In general, I lean more

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Speaker 1: towards the starters when I'm talking about the position groups,

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Speaker 1: but that gave them just a little bit of edge.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you get any better at the top

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Speaker 1: end in terms of starting positions at any position group

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Speaker 1: in the NFL than Jordan Mailatta and Lane Johnson.

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Speaker 3: I like the inclusion of Kendall Lamb because I think

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Speaker 3: the depth of the position, you're going to see that

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Speaker 3: come up in quarterback later. I mean, we lean towards starters,

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Speaker 3: but if we're talking about groups, we're talking about strength

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Speaker 3: of the whole unit, right. And I also like the

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Speaker 3: nod to Kendall Lamb because that's one of my guys

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Speaker 3: that I got to know when he was with the Browns,

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Speaker 3: when I was with the Browns.

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Speaker 1: Good dude, all right, you got the second overall pick.

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Speaker 1: This is a lot of pressure.

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Speaker 3: Sure, it is a lot of pressure, and you just

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Speaker 3: took the best group off the board. And I don't

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Speaker 3: want to follow suits so closely, so I'm going to

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Speaker 3: go in a different direction.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna go with the Buccaneers receivers.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that is number two, because if you look at

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Speaker 3: you know what you have in Chris Godwin, even though

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Speaker 3: he's coming back from injury. But not only did they

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Speaker 3: get a great rookie year at a Jalen McMillan, but

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Speaker 3: then they went in and got the most polished receiver

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Speaker 3: in the draft in a Mecca Abuka. It is an

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Speaker 3: embarrassment of They even spent a seventh round pick on

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Speaker 3: a very small but explosive receiver in Tesz Johnson. You

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Speaker 3: got Stirlie Shepherd in there, who stepped in in a

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Speaker 3: big spot when they were heard at the position. I

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Speaker 3: love the depth, I love the top end potential with

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Speaker 3: this group, and of course Baker Mayfield throwing it to them.

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Speaker 3: That's the best receiver group in my opinion. It's not

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Speaker 3: the Bengals, it's the Buccaneers.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I disagree. I'm going to have the Bengals coming up.

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Speaker 1: I did have the Bucks on my list a little

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Speaker 1: lower because it gets into what we're looking for in

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Speaker 1: this exercise, and there's no right way to do it.

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Speaker 2: Do you want depth? Do you want like the best

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Speaker 2: three the best four?

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Speaker 1: Are you leaning towards the top where the Bengals, for instance,

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Speaker 1: would be a little heavier. But it is outrageous that Agbuka,

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Speaker 1: who felt like one of the safest picks in the draft.

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Speaker 1: We were just talking about the Cowboys picking up George

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Speaker 1: Pickens last week and we were thinking what a good

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Speaker 1: fit they could have taken Agbuca there at the twelfth

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Speaker 1: overall pick, and he immediately as a rookie to me

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Speaker 1: would have been exactly what they need.

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Speaker 2: What any NFL team kind of needs.

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Speaker 1: A guy who can block, who can play close to

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Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, who can catch balls over the middle,

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Speaker 2: And that's their third guy. They don't really need him

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Speaker 1: He might have a bigger role early in the season

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Speaker 1: because Chris Godwin is coming off that injury, but I'm

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Speaker 1: not factoring that injury into these rankings. The only reason

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Speaker 1: I put them just like slightly lower is, you know,

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Speaker 1: Godwin and Evans are their best days behind them. It

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Speaker 1: is a really deep group. It is clearly one of

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Speaker 1: the best receiver groups in the NFL. It's if it's

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Speaker 1: are their best days behind them. I think that Jalen

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Speaker 1: McMillan shout out is a good one, because man, that

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Speaker 1: last year. If he's their fourth receiver, he is the

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Speaker 1: best fourth receiver in the NFL right Either.

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Speaker 3: If you swat McMillan or Abuca back and forth in

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Speaker 3: that top four, you're getting great production out of both

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Speaker 3: Evans and what he brings to the table and what

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Speaker 3: Godwin looks like when he comes back. So I'm going

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Speaker 3: with with peak potential here with this, and I just

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Speaker 1: I like that, and I guess I did lean a

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Speaker 1: little bit into positional value. And that's why with the

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Speaker 1: next pick, this is third overall, I'm taking the Steelers

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Speaker 1: edge group.

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Speaker 2: Okay, TJ.

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Speaker 1: Watt last year, on a per snap, per pressure basis,

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Speaker 1: by some metrics, was the third best pass rusher on

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Speaker 1: this team. They should maybe be unhappy they even felt

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Speaker 1: there's two guys on your own team at your own

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Speaker 1: position that on a per snap basis are actually beating

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Speaker 2: Two three.

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Speaker 1: We'll see about Jack Sawyer, who fell to the fourth

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Speaker 1: extra here because of their history, just like they've always

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Speaker 1: been an elite edge group and they're still an elite

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Speaker 1: edge group. But yes, like Milatta in lane, Johnson at tackle,

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Speaker 1: I feel like every team in an ideal world has

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Speaker 1: three difference making edges has two difference making tackles that

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Speaker 1: that good about high Smith and her book. I think

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Speaker 1: they want to sign TJ. Watt long term because he's

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Speaker 1: a younger player.

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Speaker 2: Either way, it is just a loaded position for them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there were some games late in the season where

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Speaker 3: Watt went without a sack and didn't really register a

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Speaker 3: difference because that's who he is. He's a difference maker

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Speaker 3: in terms of pressures and everything else, and that is

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Speaker 3: loved Alex high Smith since I saw him at the Combine.

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Speaker 3: Great to see him have a very productive NFL career.

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Speaker 3: Playing opposite TJ. Watt helps, of course, but he's a

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Speaker 3: beast as well, so very much on board with that pick.

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Speaker 4: But I'm now going to.

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Speaker 3: Follow you in any way you start this draft, which

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go back to tackles, and I'm gonna go

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Speaker 3: with the Detroit Lions who had the guts to go

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Speaker 3: draft Pinae Seol and say, you know, we're not gonna

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Speaker 3: make him a left tackle.

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Speaker 4: We're actually gonna keep him.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna put him on the right side because we

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Speaker 3: trust our left tackle in Taylor Decker that much. Now

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Speaker 3: you want to talk about depth here a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Dance Skipper often comes in as the sixth lineman. We've

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Speaker 3: seen him get interest, you know, involved in some creative plays.

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Speaker 3: Ben Johnson is gone, but I like the idea of

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Speaker 3: having a swing tackle is there. This is a proven group,

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Speaker 3: one of the best offensive lines in the NFL.

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Speaker 4: Last season.

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Speaker 3: They've had some changes more on the interior, but the

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Speaker 3: Taylor Decker, our Pine Sewol, and even a dance Skipper.

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Speaker 3: And that's why I love this group so much. I'm

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Speaker 3: but now you know, and as I've said many times, Greg,

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Speaker 3: it starts and ends in the trenches.

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Speaker 4: And I'm going with this tackle group if I can't

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Speaker 4: have the Eagles.

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Speaker 2: Just look how much money they're making.

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Speaker 1: That I think is a solid barometer for these position groups.

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Speaker 1: I'm with you. They were in the top ten of

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Speaker 1: my big board. The fact that I had other tackles

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Speaker 1: ahead at that was probably I even had them down.

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Speaker 1: Dan Skipper just adding so much entertainment to our life.

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Speaker 1: The vindication that he got after you know, that rough

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Speaker 1: touchdown that Dan Skipper got. But I kind of keep

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Speaker 1: waiting for Taylor Decker to decline year after year, and

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Speaker 1: he doesn't. He's rock solid and sewell might be the

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Speaker 1: best right tackle in the entire league. They did spend

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Speaker 1: That made me think about, like the Steelers, I'm not

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Speaker 1: Bengals wide receivers with my next pick. Okay, smart pick,

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Speaker 1: Jamar Chase and t Higgins. You look at the salaries

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Speaker 1: Andre Yoshivas, a late round pick in his second year

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Speaker 1: OK three, he's not a plus three. He'll get you

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Speaker 1: I feel like you're Bengals fans, especially will back on

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Speaker 2: They're kind of the defining part of this team.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Mutual are beneficial. We're all on the same page here.

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Speaker 3: Everybody eats right in Cincinnati, and they kept everybody accordingly

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it's definitely the power of their team. It's

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Speaker 4: But you know, we're gonna stay in the passing game.

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Speaker 3: this is a fantasy football draft, I would save this

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Speaker 3: But I can't contain myself. I can't prevent myself from

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Speaker 3: just going after it right now. I'm going to tight Ends,

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Speaker 2: Wo wow.

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Speaker 4: The leader.

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Speaker 3: The leader is the Baltimore Ravens, and it's Mark Andrews

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Speaker 3: And even though it's a rookie and you don't really

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Speaker 3: And Isaiah Likely, who compliments him perfectly as well. They're

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Speaker 3: the stats don't bear it out.

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Speaker 4: In the last year.

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Speaker 3: So this is a group that I just love to

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, they fit where the NFL is right now. You know,

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Speaker 1: we just talked Bengals. The fact that they pay their

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Speaker 2: I think other teams are trying to get the only

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Speaker 1: You know, Mark Andrews was available potentially this offseason, is

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Speaker 1: Kohler Kolar I don't even know how to say his name,

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Speaker 1: the only tight end group I wrote down at all,

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Speaker 1: you could you definitely could have waited. I'm loading up

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Speaker 1: on defense. The Houston Texans cornerbacks are next on my list.

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Speaker 4: That was my next pick.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Defensive Player of the Year candidate last year, Derek

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Speaker 1: Definitely the All Pro cornerback, so recognized as the second

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Speaker 1: And then I'm including Jalen Petrie in this group because

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Speaker 1: Some people are saying, this is a fantastic value that

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Speaker 3: Well, we love to hear that right after the draft,

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Speaker 4: Can they get the most out of this. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: It pains me that I can't go there because I

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Speaker 3: I think they are recent picks in the Zach Fraser

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Speaker 3: That was not a problem for them anymore. It was

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Speaker 3: Suddenly the Steelers offensive line went from being their biggest

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Speaker 1: That is a sign of the times how things have

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Speaker 1: And look, they have high draft picks on at tackle.

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Speaker 1: But your batt and two for two, Kirby Joseph just

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Speaker 1: So to pair him with an All Pro, there's not

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Speaker 3: You know, I think it's kind of hard to find

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Speaker 3: That's a lot of projection. But one thing I never

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Speaker 3: Now, in this era, we have kind of this dichotomy

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Speaker 3: of sorts. When you look at the way teams are constructed.

440
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Speaker 3: You have teams that have a clear bell cow or

441
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Speaker 3: you have teams that are clearly a committee backfield. And

442
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Speaker 3: the Lions are doing the perfect job of walking the

443
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Speaker 3: line between the two because they got a two headed

444
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Speaker 3: monster and David Montgomery and Jamior Gibbs. So that's my

445
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Speaker 3: next pick, Lions running backs. First running backs group off

446
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Speaker 3: the board might be the only one off the board,

447
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Speaker 3: but you cannot argue with production. You've got Montgomery, who's

448
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Speaker 3: the old school hammerback who also has big play potential.

449
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Speaker 3: You've got Gibbs who could be a three down back

450
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Speaker 3: who's incredibly explosive and can catch passes out of the

451
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Speaker 3: backfield and.

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Speaker 4: Make a huge difference as well.

453
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Speaker 3: No group, I think, and the top two is better rounded,

454
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Speaker 3: just more complete than the Lions running backs.

455
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Speaker 4: And we saw the product of that last year.

456
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Speaker 1: Plus they have that guy their third running back, who's

457
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Speaker 1: like a special teamer. And if you need like a

458
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Speaker 1: couple carries near the goal line or your first guys

459
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Speaker 1: are hurt, is going to work out for you. Craig

460
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Speaker 1: Reynolds like, that's just a classic, classic third I guess

461
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Speaker 1: every team or almost every team has one. But I

462
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Speaker 1: love that I sort of overlooked them. I love that pick,

463
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Speaker 1: and that's a reminder. We have three Lions position groups

464
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Speaker 1: in the ten overall best position groups in the entire NFL,

465
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Speaker 1: and it's not like any of the other positions really

466
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Speaker 1: on the team look like that big of a weakness.

467
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Speaker 1: I'm still buying linstock. I don't think their windows passed.

468
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Speaker 1: I don't think they should be anything but the highest

469
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Speaker 1: of favorites in the NFC. We're going to take a

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Speaker 1: quick break. That was our top ten position groups in

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Speaker 1: the NFL.

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Speaker 2: We'll wrap up the rankings right after this.

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Speaker 1: Hey, it's Nick Shook's birthday. What else would he want

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Speaker 1: to do other than rank the best position groups in

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Speaker 1: the NFL.

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Speaker 3: I'm really bad at accepting compliments and praise, so I

477
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Speaker 3: always get a little uncomfortable when somebody celebrates my birthday.

478
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Speaker 4: But this works. You do it.

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Speaker 2: How old are you, Shook? How old?

480
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Speaker 4: Thirty three?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Larry Bird, that's Larry Bird year. I think it's

482
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Speaker 1: got to be a big year for Shook. We're turning

483
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Speaker 1: the page, we're making things happen. The first year of

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Speaker 1: NFL Daily. We're almost at that anniversary, and Shook was

485
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Speaker 1: one of the very first people I texted and talked

486
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Speaker 1: to about it, and he's been just a huge part

487
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Speaker 1: of this podcast, but more importantly, just an awesome dude.

488
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Speaker 1: So I hope you have an awesome day and you

489
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Speaker 1: don't feel too bad that I'm drafting much better position

490
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Speaker 1: groups than you today.

491
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Speaker 3: Oh see, that's where you bring it back, because I

492
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Speaker 3: was getting a little uncomfortable with all the praise.

493
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Speaker 4: Then you just get a little jab in there, and

494
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Speaker 4: now we're back to.

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Speaker 1: I do like my picks so far, and I'm going

496
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Speaker 1: to go a little off the board here. I don't

497
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Speaker 1: think we've had any defensive tackles. I'm going rams defensive tackles.

498
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Speaker 1: And this one snuck up on me going through the

499
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Speaker 1: interior defensive lineman list in the league. And I guess

500
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Speaker 1: it depends how you want to look at Braden Fist,

501
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Speaker 1: but to me, he's an interior player. Ultimately, so Kobe Turner,

502
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:08,639
Speaker 1: who on pure production is one of the best defensive

503
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Speaker 1: tackles in NFL history in the first two years of

504
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Speaker 1: his career, just on pressures and production and consistently winning

505
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Speaker 1: his first two years, stack up with not quite the

506
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Speaker 1: very best of the best, like all type, but pretty close.

507
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Speaker 2: It's crazy. You have Bradon Fisk who came in and

508
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Speaker 2: he does one thing really well, which is run through

509
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Speaker 2: your face. And you don't need a ton of moves

510
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Speaker 2: when you have that much power at the size he has.

511
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Speaker 2: It's just surprising.

512
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Speaker 1: And then you add Punaford to the mix. I'm a

513
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Speaker 1: little worried they're counting on too much. I mean, this

514
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Speaker 1: is the guy who's bounced around and usually he's coming

515
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Speaker 1: in at a lower price, but is a underrated run

516
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Speaker 1: stopper and not a ton of crazy depth behind those three.

517
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Speaker 1: But man, that is a really good top three and

518
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Speaker 1: they all have very different skill sets. Nick, and so

519
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Speaker 1: I really like this Rams defensive tackle.

520
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Speaker 3: And you know, he came into perfect time because as

521
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Speaker 3: soon as Aaron Donald retired, it was like, well, what

522
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Speaker 3: are they going to do now? They just lost their

523
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Speaker 3: best player, and yet they've kind of taken the old

524
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Speaker 3: moneyball as approach. We're just going to replace you with

525
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Speaker 3: guys who will combine to produce just about as much

526
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Speaker 3: in different ways. And that's what the Rams have been

527
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Speaker 3: since Aaron Donald retired. They haven't missed a beat there.

528
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Speaker 3: They end up making a deep playoff run. They get

529
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Speaker 3: to the divisional round of the playoffs, and a lot

530
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Speaker 3: of it is because of roster construction, and again starts

531
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Speaker 3: in the interior. Is this time it's on the defensive side.

532
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Speaker 3: But you love what they've gotten since Aaron Donald retired.

533
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Speaker 3: It's been a great job.

534
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Speaker 2: All you have to do is like hit on four

535
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Speaker 2: straight day one and two.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, just nothing, no big deal, right, and have.

537
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Speaker 1: A huge home run with like an all Pro receiver

538
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Speaker 1: on Day three, like it's very tough to do. But

539
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Speaker 1: they have invested on the defensive edge positions too. That

540
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Speaker 1: would have been an option, but they are not on

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Speaker 1: my list. The defensive tackles are all right, you're up

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Speaker 1: pick number twelve.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 3: I'm a little torn between this because some of it

545
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Speaker 3: is projection and another part of it is how many

546
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Speaker 3: guys can you collect? So we're going to start with

547
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Speaker 3: the Giants, and we're going to go with their edge

548
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Speaker 3: rushing group because look, a year ago around this time,

549
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Speaker 3: they were welcoming in Brian Burns and it was like, oh,

550
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Speaker 3: now they got the guy to mix with Cavon Thibodeau

551
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Speaker 3: and everything's going to be dandy on the edge for them.

552
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Speaker 3: Oh and then they just go and spend the third

553
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Speaker 3: overall pick on another edge rusher and Abdul Carter, a

554
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Speaker 3: guy that many thought would be the first overall pick

555
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Speaker 3: in this draft. And I think DJ for a long time,

556
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Speaker 3: if not by the final position rankings, had him ranked

557
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Speaker 3: as his best player in the entire draft, and they

558
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Speaker 3: got him at three. And then that mixes in with

559
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Speaker 3: what you already have in Thibodeau. And Brian Burns. Now,

560
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Speaker 3: the depth kind of falls off after that, but that's

561
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Speaker 3: a hell of a top three. And you want to

562
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Speaker 3: get rotational, you want to go Nascar package and move

563
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Speaker 3: one of those guys close to the interior to get

564
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Speaker 3: ultimate rushing capabilities on third down. You can do it now,

565
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Speaker 3: so it creates It's just interesting to me that I'm like,

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Speaker 3: all right, Joe Shane, how many guys are you going

567
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Speaker 3: to collect the position? But then again, you can never

568
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Speaker 3: have too many at such a valuable spot in the

569
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Speaker 3: NFL these days, which is getting after the passers. So

570
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Speaker 3: I love that group and I can't wait to see

571
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Speaker 3: them play because the Giants are in this weird position

572
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Speaker 3: now where they've thrown all the spaghetti at the wall

573
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Speaker 3: at quarterback to try to figure that out. And we

574
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Speaker 3: kind of know what we're going to get from their defense,

575
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Speaker 3: at least from their front seven. And the strength of

576
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 3: that is this edge Russian group plus Dexter Lawrence in

577
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Speaker 3: the interior.

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Speaker 2: It's so good because you mentioned it.

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Speaker 1: On passing situations, all those guys have have flexibility to

580
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Speaker 1: move inside. Burns is probably maybe the least likely, but

581
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Speaker 1: either way, Thibodeau can move inside like you can do

582
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Speaker 1: a lot. It's a stunt world that we're living in

583
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Speaker 1: and the flexibility that they're going to have. And I

584
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Speaker 1: kind of like Chauncey Golston as a D four. He

585
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Speaker 1: is a good player from the Cowboys who's a run stopper,

586
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Speaker 1: and so that's that's like a solid edge too.

587
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Speaker 2: I'm with you. They were pretty much coming up right

588
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Speaker 2: away in.

589
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Speaker 1: My list, and initially what I made it, they were

590
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Speaker 1: actually up there in like the top five, and then

591
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Speaker 1: I thought, I feel like, in the if you've got

592
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Speaker 1: to have a be in the top five, you got

593
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Speaker 1: to have like a true all pro or like no

594
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Speaker 1: doubt or multiple time pro bowler. And I think Carter

595
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Speaker 1: can get there, but that's a bit of a production.

596
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Speaker 1: Burns isn't quite at that level as an educat, so

597
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Speaker 1: I knocked him down just a little bit. But in

598
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Speaker 1: terms of just overall depth, that defensive line is absolutely awesome.

599
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Speaker 1: I'm going back to the defensive side of the ball.

600
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Speaker 1: I'm doing another cornerback room the Broncos. It's silly how

601
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Speaker 1: many players they're gonna throw out there. Patrick Sartan is

602
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Speaker 1: your defensive player of the Year. Kind of a surprising one.

603
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Speaker 1: In a way, but it was just a weird year

604
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,239
Speaker 1: but was absolutely excellent. It was almost reminded me of

605
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Speaker 1: like how coaches of really good teams never win Coach

606
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Speaker 1: of the Year because they get ignored. And that's how

607
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: really good cornerbacks that don't have huge ball production tend

608
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Speaker 1: to get ignored. And by this time it didn't. Patrick

609
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: Shtan got it done. And then you look at the

610
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Speaker 1: guys after him, Riley Moss. I know the season didn't

611
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: end great for him after an injury, but he showed

612
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Speaker 1: he can be a good solid starter in the NFL

613
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Speaker 1: opposite him at cornerback too. But I wouldn't have put

614
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Speaker 1: them here if they hadn't drafted today Baron in the

615
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Speaker 1: first round because ja Kawan McMillan to me was a

616
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Speaker 1: plus nickel defender. The flexibility that they're going to have

617
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Speaker 1: now because Barron is essentially going to replace him, but

618
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Speaker 1: I think they're gonna end up moving these pieces around.

619
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: They play a lot of dime defense that they could

620
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Speaker 1: have four cornerbacks and one safety on the field when

621
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Speaker 1: it's a nickel defense and move them all around, like

622
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Speaker 1: this is what you want. Vance Joseph is going to cook.

623
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Speaker 1: I love this cornerback room.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, if you kind of look at the

625
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 3: way that they approached safety, they went and got Talanoa Hufunga,

626
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 3: but they have Brandon Jones in strong safety. I thought

627
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 3: that they might actually be in the market for another

628
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 3: one outside of Hufunga. And the way that you describe

629
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Speaker 3: them going nickel and throwing a bunch of corners on

630
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 3: the field kind of explains how they could they could

631
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Speaker 3: approach that without needing to necessarily rely too much on

632
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Speaker 3: the safeties. The Broncos quarterbacks were actually gonna be my

633
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 3: next pick, but now I'm gonna go deep into that.

634
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Speaker 3: I think it was the first quarterback group I had

635
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 3: because I went by a position group listed there. But

636
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go deep into the projection zone now, and

637
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,719
Speaker 3: I think this is picking up some steam. I think

638
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 3: maybe Mina was talking about it among some other people

639
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 3: in recent weeks since the draft. But I love what

640
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 3: the Ravens have in safety right now. And of course

641
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 3: you know what you have in Kyle Hamilton, who you

642
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 3: know that everybody pays attention to, Derek Henry and Lamar

643
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 3: Jackson and even Rokwan Smith on the Ravens. But Kyle

644
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 3: Hamilton is a game changing safety. He is the athletic

645
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 3: freak that everybody thought you were getting out of Notre

646
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 3: Dame and then some playing in the perfect defense for him.

647
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,959
Speaker 3: Then they're going to get Malachai Starks and add him

648
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 3: to this and create this tandem that I don't think

649
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 3: that everybody's quite prepared to understand what this could look

650
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 3: like because their biggest weakness, the reason they lost games

651
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 3: in the early and mid portion of the season last year,

652
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 3: was because they couldn't count on what they had at safety.

653
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 3: Opposite of Kyle Hamilton had Marcus Williams who was having

654
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 3: a rough go of things, and he wasn't the only

655
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 3: one back there in terms of veterans that they had

656
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 3: who didn't perform. Now you answer that hopefully with Starks

657
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 3: at safety, who you hope is going to work perfectly

658
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 3: with him. I think they're going to be a fantastic

659
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 3: duo and it's going to elevate this defense to an

660
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 3: even higher level. And we're just going to be spending

661
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 3: months talking about the Ravens again, and not just because

662
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 3: of Lamar and Derrick Henry.

663
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, the defense was the problem last year and we'll

664
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: see Starks is absolutely one of the most important rookies

665
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: in the league because of the position that he plays

666
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: for a really good team. Darius Washington had some moments

667
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: last year and is a nice depth bias, a guy

668
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: that was a college free agent but has gotten better

669
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: and better and adds dep I'd like that if I

670
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: was going to add another safety group, it probably would

671
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: have been the Texans man the Texans, like I could

672
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: have just done there. If we're just doing full secondaries,

673
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: that's the best secondary in the league. Their secondary might

674
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: be the best position group. But yeah, Cayden Bullock counting

675
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: Chauncey Gardner Johnson is there now in Jimmy Ward is

676
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: still with the Texans, So that's a great three man group.

677
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: That is not my next pick. All Right, it's time

678
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: to take a quarterback off the board.

679
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 4: I think ah, I was gonna fall in the sword,

680
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 4: but I'm glad you are.

681
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: I mean, any room with Patrick Mahomes, I feel like

682
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: it should be included in the best position group in

683
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: the league, as long as it's not the backups that

684
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: he's had the last few years, where it really like

685
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: you just thought they weren't going to have much of

686
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: a chance it was Carson Wentz or Buckley or whatever.

687
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 2: It was a guy a couple of years ago, getting

688
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 2: see guy.

689
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 4: But now it's.

690
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: Cardner Minshew, who I know was terrible with the Raiders,

691
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: but that was a rough situation. For the most part,

692
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: Gardner Minshew has been exactly what you would want out

693
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: of a backup quarterback. And you feel like if he

694
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: is in the right situation and Andy Reid and the

695
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: Chiefs is absolutely the right situation that he's going to

696
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: give you good production. And then just for laughs, Bailey

697
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: Zappy is there in the back. So you have, you know,

698
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: maybe the best quarterback.

699
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 2: Of all time.

700
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: He's on that path, Patrick Mahomes, and you've got an

701
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: upper tier backup. I think Gardner Minshew is an upper

702
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: tier backup. His contract is not one. I mean they're

703
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: paying him like one or two million dollars this year.

704
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: It's crazy, but I mean look at his production as

705
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: a pro. I love my pick. I got, I got

706
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes this late.

707
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 4: I love my pick. Just taer pat herself on the

708
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 4: back of both hands.

709
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 2: I've been doing it. It's been happening throughout all right.

710
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: Do you have another quarterback room that's gonna make the

711
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: top twenty. You don't have to pick him in the

712
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: top twenty. It doesn't matter.

713
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 2: We're like, no, no, I was.

714
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 3: Actually going to but I think that Kansas City is

715
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 3: kind of like what Alabama Ndernick Saban was for coaches

716
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 3: who'd been fired, which is like a safe space to

717
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 3: like rehabilitate your reputation with while knowing that you're probably

718
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 3: not going to have to see the field very much.

719
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 3: San Francisco was kind of like that in the last

720
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 3: couple of years. It worked for Sam Darnold, but I

721
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 3: think there's just a rare few clubs in the NFL

722
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 3: that have that privilege to give a guy who's got

723
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 3: NFL experience but kind of needs to spend a year

724
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 3: forgotten about by the rest of the league so he

725
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 3: can kind of, you know, reset, And I think that's

726
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 3: a perfect place for Gardner Minshew. I'm going to keep

727
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 3: it a quarterback. You know, I was tempted to go

728
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 3: Bengals here because what we saw from Jake Browning as

729
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 3: they made their playoff push a couple of years ago,

730
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 3: you know, essentially burnished his reputation as somebody who could

731
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 3: be a quality backup. Now, we didn't see him really

732
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 3: last year. But I like that group, but I'm going

733
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 3: to go somewhere else. And that's the same reason because

734
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 3: when you think about position groups, you think about depth.

735
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 3: We know what Jaden Daniels did as a rookie offensive

736
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 3: Rookie of the Year instantly transformed that franchise to the

737
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 3: point that now they're talking about building a new stadium

738
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 3: and everything else. But it's the presence of Marcus Mariota

739
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 3: back there as well. It's the perfect little complimentary piece

740
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 3: there where in case Jayden can't play, you have a

741
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 3: veteran who was a former top pick, who's bit in

742
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 3: the fire, who can get the job done, who could

743
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 3: throw you to a win in the last seconds against

744
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 3: the Cowboys in a game that doesn't even really mean

745
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 3: much to you. He can handle it all. He's a pro.

746
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 3: He's the perfect backup for a young guy like Jaden

747
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 3: who he understands what it's like to be in the spotlight.

748
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 3: I love that they just aren't relying on Jaden. They're

749
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 3: not a team that goes into the season he goes. God,

750
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,959
Speaker 3: if we lose him, we're screwed. Well, no Marcus can

751
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 3: keep the ship afloat until Jayden can come back or

752
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,959
Speaker 3: whatever if that were the case. Strength in numbers at

753
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 3: quarterback it's rare. You have a lot of superstars that

754
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 3: you think about, Hey, how are you missing Josh Allen

755
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 3: Will Mitch Trubisky's behind him and I don't have the

756
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 3: same confidence in him. It's a strength in depth and

757
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 3: that's why I like their situation.

758
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: It was a limited sample size, but it was the

759
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: best I think Marcus Mariot has ever looked in his career.

760
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 2: I mean, it was forty four. I try not to

761
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 2: get that's something.

762
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: He did have a stretch in Tennessee where he did

763
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: he looked pretty good. It was only forty four terms,

764
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: so it's really not fair. But he did have four

765
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: touchdowns in those four forty four attempts, and he had

766
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: ten point nine adjusted yards per attempt, which would easily

767
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: lead the NFL. Didn't take sacks, you know, didn't make

768
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: too many mistakes, had a game winning drive, and it

769
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: wasn't just the numbers. If you go back and watch

770
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: like he had some dimes, some difficult throws down the field.

771
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, Marcus Marietta, but what puts it

772
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: over the top for me?

773
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 4: There?

774
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: I think you had a good pick, you might have

775
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: had the better room overall is we got Josh Johnson

776
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: still in the league. Is on the Washington Commanders.

777
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 4: Right now, forty years old, Josh McCown man.

778
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: Literally, no one has ever had a career in NFL

779
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: history like Josh Johnson, having to play in these other

780
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: leagues and never playing and bouncing around and keeping it

781
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: going until forty. You know, Props to Josh Johnson. I

782
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: hope he makes their final roster. All right, I've messed

783
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: around enough. I actually had the Eagles wide receivers in

784
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: my top five or six overall, but we've just gotten

785
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: wide receiver heavy and so I didn't want to go

786
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: back to him. But I mean, aj Brown and Devanta

787
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: Smith are on the same team, and Johan Dotson is

788
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: definitely the weak spot here, and the number four receiver,

789
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: whoever you want to call it, is the weak spot here.

790
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,479
Speaker 1: But Johan Donson made some big plays during a Super

791
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: Bowl run. That alone is enough to be like, Okay,

792
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: I guess that third round pick that we traded for

793
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: him was worth it, because if you make like three

794
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: important plays for us on the way to winning a

795
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, that's the whole point. Of playing the sport,

796
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: and he helped to do that. And I do think

797
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: with a full offseason there he can get a little better.

798
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: But to me, Aj and Devanta are arguably as good

799
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: as Chasing Higgins because I think the falloff from one

800
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: to two is not as severe. Devanta Smith is just

801
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: that good and aj Brown to me, is a top

802
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: five receiver.

803
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 2: In the NFL. He would probably be number five if

804
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 2: I'm doing it.

805
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think style wise, they compliment each other

806
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 3: so well, which is a true test of the strength

807
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 3: of a position group is how well do you fit together.

808
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 3: So I love that pick as well. They were up

809
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 3: there for me. Now I feel like I'm just following

810
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,919
Speaker 3: you in every direction, but I'm oh, oh, I also

811
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 3: want to note one more thing before I move on

812
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 3: to that down their depth chart. Hopefully he makes the roster.

813
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 3: One of my former favorites during the dark days in Carolina,

814
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 3: Terris Marshall. He's a guy that I felt never got

815
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 3: the opportunities when Carolina was going through guys. I just

816
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 3: want to see if he maybe sees the field that

817
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 3: if he's gonna make anything of his career, it could

818
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 3: be with them.

819
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 4: If in you know, he gets called on.

820
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 2: They do have a couple of guys.

821
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 1: By the way, they took a Nia Smith and Johnny Wilson,

822
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: who's like the tallest wide receiver in the league.

823
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 2: Johnny Wilson that is in the Day three. Last year.

824
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: You wouldn't have expected them to contribute as rookies, but

825
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: you know, just some guys to watch that they might.

826
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 3: Be in the cast this year. Johnny Wilson is like

827
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 3: a pillar in the red zone. Okay, let's go receiver again.

828
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 3: And like you said, we've been kind of screwing around

829
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 3: because come on down, Minnesota Vikings. Yeah, I mean, how

830
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 3: do we get to this point because of course we're trying.

831
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 4: To not just pile on at receiver throughout this entire draft.

832
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 3: But I mean, you know what you have in Justin Jefferson,

833
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,399
Speaker 3: who's given up JJ the nickname to his quarterback. Now,

834
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 3: you know what you have in Jordan Adison, who I

835
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 3: think is one of the best number two receivers in

836
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 3: the NFL and has only proven that over the last year.

837
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 4: You have Jalen Naylor.

838
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,720
Speaker 3: Like I think that this group in itself just works

839
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 3: so well together. And then you mix in the involvement

840
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 3: of the tight ends. Like I thought that they were

841
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 3: gonna miss kJ Osborne a little bit last year. They

842
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 3: it was fine without him. I just think it's one

843
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 3: of the better passing games in the NFL, and a

844
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 3: lot of that is dependent on those top two receivers

845
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 3: who just continue to make plays. They made so many

846
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 3: plays with Sam Darnold last year and looking forward to

847
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 3: see how they fit with JJ McCarthy.

848
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, they take a third round pick two in ty Felton,

849
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 1: who's maybe a yat guy with some speed who might

850
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: be replacing Naylor at least in the long run. They

851
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: brought in Rondell Moore, Like, that's a that's a deep group.

852
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 1: That's great value.

853
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 2: This deep.

854
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: I think we underrated the and if it is what

855
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: it is, if the best rooms are wide receiver rooms,

856
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: so be it. Jordan Addison, I don't know. I don't

857
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: know why he fell so far. I guess it was

858
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: the the like workout numbers and stuff. But he's just

859
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 1: a natural receiver. I'm going and we'll speed it up

860
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: to finish it out. I think we're at pick seventeen.

861
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: We're gonna go top twenty. I don't think I'm being

862
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 1: a homer putting the Patriots cornerbacks up here. Carlton Davis

863
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: is a big time free agent signing. He's obviously a

864
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: plus cornerback, a physical cornerback who, if he stays healthy,

865
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: would be the best cornerback on some teams, not most teams.

866
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: He's not a guy you probably want to be your

867
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: best cornerback, but you really love him as the number two.

868
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: And Christian Gonzalez is right there for me with Patrick

869
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 1: certan Ann Stingley as the best cornerback in the league.

870
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 1: I think he's that talented and he's that good. He's

871
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: just been stuck on the Patriots and it's a big

872
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,959
Speaker 1: drop off after that, and that's why they go this late.

873
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 1: But to me that they might have the best top

874
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: two in terms of cornerbacks in the entire NFL. Marcus

875
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: Jones is a tryhard, undersized slot corner who probably right

876
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: now is the number three. I wouldn't be surprised if

877
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: they add like a veteran at some point. So it's

878
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: a big drop off after the top two, but I'm

879
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: gonna take him here.

880
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 4: Yeah. Vermo de agree.

881
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 3: I think that the addition of Davis takes some of

882
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 3: the pressure off of Gonzales as well, and ultimately he

883
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 3: just needs to stay healthy. That's what's most important for

884
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 3: his trajectory. Because he's an excellent cornerback. He just needs

885
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 3: to be on the field.

886
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 4: So I like that pick. There's a little bit of

887
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 4: Homerism with saying they might have the best two corners

888
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 4: in the NFL. A little bit, just a little bit.

889
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 4: I'm gonna push you back.

890
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 2: I stand by it. So it did sting me. Lassiter.

891
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: It's certain And whoever you want to say is their

892
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: number two, Baron or Moss, you know, I think it's

893
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: in that mix.

894
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 3: Come on, yeah, I might, yeah, yeah. This is why

895
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 3: we play the games on the field, not on paper. Right, Okay,

896
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 3: we're going to go back to Detroit again. MotorCity, Detroit

897
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 3: Rock City. I'm Geene Simmons, lead singer a Kiss here

898
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 3: and I'm just gonna keep talking about the Motor City.

899
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 4: Okay.

900
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 3: This is a group that I think is going to

901
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 3: fly under the radar because it might lack name recognition

902
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 3: because Aiden Hutchinson is the name that you recognize on

903
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 3: the edge. But for me, they're defensive tackles are among

904
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 3: some of the deepest in the NFL. And we talked

905
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 3: about this after the draft. I love their selection of

906
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 3: Tyler Williams, so I think is going to rise to

907
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 3: prominence and be a good player in the NFL.

908
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 4: But you continue to go down this group.

909
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 3: You've got DJ Reader, You've got Alee McNeil, you keep

910
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 3: Levi on Wuzourique. That's a great four, And I think

911
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 3: when it comes to constructing your defensive front, there are

912
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 3: so many injuries and things that happens on the defensive

913
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 3: interior that if you lose one or two guys and

914
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 3: you're not deep enough, suddenly it's a massive liability. I've

915
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 3: actually watched it with the Browns over the last couple

916
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 3: of years as they've tried to plug their gaps. The

917
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 3: Lions are setting themselves up for success and for stopping

918
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 3: the run with the death that they have and the

919
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 3: upside the potential of a guy like Tyler Williams to

920
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 3: make difference making plays in his rookie season. So that's

921
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 3: why I just feel so confident in this group among

922
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 3: many others.

923
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:42,439
Speaker 4: As we've already discussed.

924
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 2: It's a slow developing position, but Alee McNeil has another

925
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 2: level to go. He can be an all pro type

926
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 2: player at leading the way it's extremely deep. I mean

927
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 2: to have Reader and Tyleek Williams on Rozouriki and then

928
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 2: they sign Roy Lopez was a guy from Arizona I

929
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 2: always liked just as a rotational guy. That is really deep.

930
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 2: That's a good pick.

931
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,879
Speaker 1: I'll stay at defensive tackle the Seahawks, and I guess

932
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: this will be my last pick. I think this is

933
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: nineteen Leonard Williams, John Reid, and Byron Murphy. I like

934
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: that group of interior players, the way that Leonard Williams

935
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 1: played last year. John Reid like he's only good when

936
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: he's on the Seahawks, but he is very good. And

937
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: then Byron Murphy is a young, improving player. I like

938
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: that group for Seattle. You wrap it up the twentieth

939
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: pick final.

940
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 3: I'm really really conflicted here because do we talked, do

941
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 3: we talk textan safeties or no?

942
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: I said they weren't going to make my list. Now

943
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 1: because we didn't, that's a possibility you could go there.

944
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 3: I'm split between two and I think I'm going to

945
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 3: go in that direction just because I don't like the

946
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 3: vibes coming out of Buffalo regarding James Cook. I think

947
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 3: that they're undervaluing him. Unfit, So you're going to go

948
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 3: running running backs. I was because I love Ray Davis,

949
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 3: love me some Ray Davis. But we're gonna go safeties

950
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 3: because the top tier, you know, potential with these guys

951
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 3: and who they have at safety in Houston, I think

952
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 3: it's just they got They got a ton of production.

953
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,720
Speaker 3: I think in spots from Kaylyn Bullock last yet strong safety.

954
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 3: They get cjdj at free safety. Like you mentioned before,

955
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 3: Jimmy Ward is also still on this roster. M J.

956
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 4: Stewart seems like he's been there for years.

957
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 2: I don't know why.

958
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 3: They were collecting old browns like years ago, and a

959
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 3: lot of them just managed to stay on the roster.

960
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:13,959
Speaker 4: I just love this group.

961
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 3: I love this group overall because of the potential to

962
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 3: make a difference and their depth now that they've added CJ.

963
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 3: Gardner Johnson as well, and it's in the back end

964
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 3: of a secondary that we've already discussed is incredibly strong.

965
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 4: Alan like this is. It's a pass first league. You

966
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 4: want to shut it down, you do it like this.

967
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: So the Texans get both their secondary groups in there.

968
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: The Lions get four groups total. If your team did

969
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: not get a position group on this list try harder,

970
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: you know, be better, or let us know. Let us

971
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: know if we overlooked you. Some honorall mentions. The Eagles

972
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 1: interior offensive line I think definitely could have been there.

973
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 1: Kim Jurgen's, Landon Dickerson a new starter, and Tyler Stein,

974
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: but they're good. The Bills running backs you mentioned because

975
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: James Cook. I love Ray Davis too, and ty Johnson's

976
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: a really good third down back man.

977
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 2: I actually kind of feel bad we didn't mention them.

978
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: Uh, if we were looking for another tight end group

979
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: like the Raiders Michael Mayer and Brock Bauers, you got

980
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: Ian Thomas.

981
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 3: Maybe there's there's like unfulfilled potential with mayor there's unfulfilled

982
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 3: potential a couple of these groups. Or it's just like

983
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 3: as some changes, like the Eagles interior offensive line, like

984
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 3: is Tyler Stein going to be able to replace what

985
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 3: Mkai Beckton did?

986
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: I love Keanu Bettan and Cam Hayward in Pittsburgh. I

987
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: kind of mentioned them a little earlier. I like the

988
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: Bucks tackles, Tristan Wurf's maybe the best in the game,

989
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 1: and Luke Getticky improved a lot so that that would

990
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: have been possible. I tell you, if the Jags, if

991
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: Travis Center is as good as I think he's going

992
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: to be, that wide receiver group, watch out that could be.

993
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 3: Hell.

994
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 2: It's a little bit.

995
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: It's a little early, but I love Brian Thomas that much.

996
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: Love you too, Buddy Shook. Enjoy the rest of your birthday.

997
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 2: We did it.

998
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: We determined on an off season day in May, the

999
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: best twenty position groups in the NFL.

1000
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 3: I'm so proud of us. Now I'm gonna go have

1001
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 3: cake or something I don't know, go to the gym.

1002
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:55,720
Speaker 3: How else would I celebrate my birthday.

1003
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 1: Our next show, we'll be with Jordan rod Rieg, Colleen

1004
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 1: will Well back in the studio.

1005
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to it.

1006
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: Look, when we're just ranking random things in the middle

1007
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: of the off season, it's actually an argument that football

1008
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: is not back. It's pretty quiet these days, but it'll

1009
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 1: be back soon enough.