WEBVTT - Ep. 24: Marrow of American Ruggedness - Warner Glenn (Part 2) 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:07.760 M all the things that it takes to be a 0:00:07.760 --> 0:00:10.440 really good dirt lion hunter. Warner is all of those. 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:15.640 Everyone on this episode of the Bear Grease Podcasts, we're 0:00:15.720 --> 0:00:19.400 back in the open country of southeast Arizona. This is 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:21.920 part two in our series on the life of a 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:26.040 living legend, Warner Glenn. We're also going to learn more 0:00:26.079 --> 0:00:30.560 about Kelly Warner's daughter in her life in movies and modeling. 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:34.560 Will dive in deep into dry ground lion hunting, which 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:37.920 I believe will aid us in getting our pH ds 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:42.920 as knowledgeable American woodsman. You gotta know something about dry 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:47.400 ground lion hunting. 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We've again found ourselves on 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:59.040 the borderlands of the Southern United States in southeast Arizona. 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:03.440 On the lavelast episode, we were introduced to Warner Glenn. 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:07.280 He can see Old Mexico from his house. He's eighty 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:10.240 five years old and lives the life of an authentic 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:14.000 American cowboy with a heavy dose of mountain lion hunter. 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:18.760 Lion hunting and ranching, you see, go hand in hand 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:22.120 and have since this part of the country was settled 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:35.960 by cattle ranchers. Right this morning, Rosalie, that's the name 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:41.800 of the meal you're putting me on. Rosalie? How old 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:45.200 is this meal? That to any problem with her? She's 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:52.200 about seven. It's too bad you hate you do We 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:56.560 walk over to a bigger bay colored mule, a brown mule. 0:03:57.360 --> 0:03:59.600 So this is your go to meal. This is what 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:03.720 this name? Vivian, how old is she? Dan, you got 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:06.720 to be fifteen years old? This is your This is 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:09.400 the one you go to when you gotta Well, usually 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:13.080 I'm right differently, at least every other day. I've got 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:18.720 three on right, regular Bridger and Vivian in breyer So 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:23.719 and Kelly. She got Rosalie, even Pete and some of 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:27.360 the others. When when does a mule get just right? 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:32.600 And that depends depended long But but I'll tell you what. 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:36.159 As far as being demo and trustworthy and everything, I 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:40.360 would say like six or seven to where you could 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:45.520 trust him with anybody, right, and you can. You can 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:49.040 ride him two or three, but you better be ready 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:51.280 for a little wreck if it should have. You know, 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:55.760 they're just not used to everything. And he's mountains. I 0:04:55.839 --> 0:05:01.000 tell you they're hard. Yeah. Mr Warner threads of leather 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:05.000 pistol holster onto his belt. He carries a three fifty 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:09.000 seven revolver. So every day when you're just out riding, 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:12.719 you're carrying a side arm. I do and what do 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:16.120 you I tell you never know when you're gonna need 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:19.520 need one for it could be some kind of bombardment. 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:25.200 But most of these rancher's not Dave. The drug traffic 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:28.200 through here and all shoulder. What do you never know? 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:35.120 Sure it doesn't hurt that one. We're now out by 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:38.280 the dog kennels. In part one, Mr Warner told us 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:41.279 that he's got sixteen hounds, and he told us about 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:46.440 his best hound hook. What's what's this Dog's this? You tracker? 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:50.640 He's a young one. He's only year and acho being 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:54.800 in on about three three when he's gonna make I've 0:05:54.800 --> 0:06:01.440 it really got high hope for him. In the big 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:07.960 old athletic dog. He's only two. Oh, he's the number 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:12.360 two dogs. With sixteen dogs scattered in front of us, 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:15.560 we make a five mile loop, giving him some exercise. 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:19.839 On our ride, we can look into Old Mexico. We 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:22.760 can see the border wall, and I'm amazed that an 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:26.000 eighty five year old man is still going like he's 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:39.039 forty five. Warner's father, Marvin, started lyon hunting in the 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:42.240 nineteen thirties when their horse, colts, and cattle were being 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:45.719 killed by mountain lions. It wasn't their fault, the lions 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:48.640 were just being lions. And it really wasn't Marvin and 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:51.920 Warner's fault for becoming lion hunters. It's just what they 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:54.360 had to do to protect their way of life. In 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:58.440 nineteen seven, Marvin had become an expert at what we 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:02.400 say in the business catch in lions. The American economy 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:05.640 was booming after World War Two. People began to have 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:10.240 disposable income, and Marvin turned his craft into a business 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:15.720 and started outfitting the Glens became nationally renowned as dry 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:21.280 ground lion hunters. In Warner and his daughter Kelly still 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:24.000 hunt the same dirt as Marvin, with some of the 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:27.920 same lineage of dogs and with the same unique mix 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:33.080 of integrity, genuine hospitality, and toughness that defines this desert 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:36.240 and the people that make a living off the land. Here, 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:42.320 before we dive into lion dogs and fist fights, I 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:46.960 want to talk about Kelly Glenn, Kembro Warner's daughter. She 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:49.960 has lived a very interesting life. We heard about her 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:54.080 mule wreck and helicopter rescue, and about her getting bit 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:56.920 by a lion. Go check that out in part one 0:07:57.080 --> 0:07:59.600 if you hadn't listened to it. I'd like, though, to 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:02.440 hear her about two parts of her life that went 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:06.240 beyond ranching and hunting. I bet you won't be able 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:09.320 to guess what they are. If you're over thirty five 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:13.360 years old and a gun enthusiast, you've probably seen a 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:17.640 picture of Kelly. We were always a part of the hunting, 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:20.520 so my dad and my grandpa Marvin hunted all winter. 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:23.400 They hunted a lot of lions and deer. We guided 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:26.840 for custier, mule deer, Hamelina and Lyon and it was 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:29.800 a busy. It was just what I thought life was about. 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:33.960 It was either cooking, fixing lunches, feeding mules, guiding. I 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:37.480 guided from the time I was seventeen with them, I 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:39.880 did not want to go to college. I loved it. 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:44.840 I craved guiding. I loved guiding for Custier especially, and 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:49.440 hunting mountain lions and so and they embraced that. And 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:51.800 it was kind of a man's world, you know. I 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:54.400 was a little girl growing up wanting to learn how 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:57.640 to track the lion and wanting to go glass for deer. 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:00.319 I didn't have any reason to go to town when 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:02.880 I went up to go off to college. My grandpa 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:06.960 got me a new rifle, a parka, all these things 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:10.720 to make my life more comfortable as a guide here. 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:14.720 So he didn't want me to go. Yeah. Anyway, Mom 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:18.040 and Dad raised us and my grandparents to work really hard. 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:21.680 We always had guests. We either had hunters, or in 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:25.120 the summer we had kids. So I went to college 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:28.839 and then I came back and went into the movie industry, 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:31.840 and I did casting in locations for eight years out 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:35.320 of Tucson. And I loved it because I could go 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:38.800 work on a show for thirty one days, come home 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:42.120 and hunt. So I kind of you. They would tell 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:44.920 you what they were looking for for scenery and was. 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:49.160 It was always Western top films, not necessarily, Um, I 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:52.840 did thirty three films. It was we did Terminal Velocity, 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:57.520 was Jerry Lewis, Johnny Depp, Fate Donaway, Paulina Poroskova, and 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:00.480 then we would do young guns and young writers, and 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:03.720 sometimes it was scenery and then sometimes it was years. 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:09.880 Did you do that from eighty five to about ninety three? 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:13.480 I got married ninety two and I kept doing it 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:17.360 for a moment after that. That's so interesting your family's 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:21.520 connection to two movies. Yeah, Well, first started a long 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:24.640 time before with your dad in the movies. He was 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:28.960 in your Grandfather. I now asked Kelly about a very 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:32.640 interesting job she had for thirty one years and how 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:38.559 her presence in the position was groundbreaking. So in J. J. 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:40.840 Sarry came. He was a good friend, you know, and 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:43.320 he asked, He called me and he goes. Kelly Ruger 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:46.160 called and they want me to photograph a girl or 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:50.520 a woman that lives a western life, carries a gun 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:54.560 and uses it, you know. So I said, okay, you know, 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:57.360 and I had gone right out of college. I went 0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:01.440 to plase A three modeling in Tucson because a lot 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:04.320 of my family, distant family, said you've got to be 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:06.679 a model because I was six ft tall and skinny. 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:09.680 That was their basis. After a few weeks of that, 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:12.480 I figured out I didn't want to be a runway model. 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:15.960 But so we went down here and took a mule 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:19.959 and I had literally, my husband calls it my corrective 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:22.840 shoes because that's all I wear is ugly shoes. I 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:26.040 had on my brogans and a gun and braids, and 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:30.360 I was who I was and we took the picture. Well, 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:34.600 they loved it. Bill Ruger Sr. Was very skeptical because 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:38.240 he was a man's man and he really didn't want 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:45.520 his company represented by a girl that would have been 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:50.080 fairly Yes, it was new thinking. So it was a 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:54.000 trial run that first year, and there was a full 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:57.440 page in the Wall Street Journal there was. It just 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:01.360 blew up and went really good as Austin Nation, and 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:04.800 the Ruger followers loved it. So you were on. You 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:08.400 were on a lot of their advertising posters. They did 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:11.720 a poster every year. You stayed the Ruger Girl for 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:16.000 thirty one. Yeah, and just on on our way here, 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:18.400 my uncle told me that he had seen your picture 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:21.200 in a small town in Arkansas and a pawn shop 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:24.760 from a poster from years and years ago. Ye, So 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:26.640 I would do two shows a year, the n r 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:28.719 A Show and the Shot Show. The Shot Show was 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:32.840 more dealers international, national, you know guys in business suits. 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:36.959 The n r A Show was Americans. It was it 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:41.560 was coon hunters, farmers, guns store owners that would come 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:45.880 with their family because they could. So my job at 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:49.000 those shows was to sit in the ruger booth and 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:51.200 they would put a stack of posters in front of 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:54.480 me and I'd sign and they tell me who signed to. 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:57.600 The man would stand there and say my store is 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:00.520 you know B and B Guns or what? And I 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:03.600 signed to that store. When they all figured out, all 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:06.840 those people figured out I was a hunter for real, 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:10.280 they loved it. And then they would like flock around 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:13.840 and we'd talked about trailing dry ground hunting lions. But 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:17.000 it was great. I have. I kept a lot of 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:19.760 things that I got a lot of letters. You could 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:24.040 tell a person, a woman who wanted to become a 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:27.880 shooter and a hunter. She would timidly stand over there 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:31.079 and listen, and when finally they kind of broke up, 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:33.840 then she'd step up and she said, is there any 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:37.439 way you could we could talk about this again? And 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:41.600 so I share my address and and or nowadays it lately, 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:43.559 you know, the last twenty years it was an email, 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:46.920 but and we'd visit back and forth and I'd recommend 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:52.320 what firearms she should buy. So I coached unplanned. I 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:58.800 coached a lot of women and kids. Kelly was a 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:02.800 pioneer for women in the hunting and shooting industry. Today, 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:06.400 women are the fastest growing group in the hunting space. 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:12.840 Fist bumped Kelly. Dry ground lion hunting. We've said it 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:15.760 over and over, and I plan to devote some time 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:18.160 to try and to understand what this means, and I 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:22.320 hope you'll join me. Despite your perceived interest in the topic. 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:26.000 It's a nuanced and important cog in the wheel of 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:30.520 North American hunting. I believe that the characteristics that it 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:33.680 takes to be a darned good dry ground lion hunter 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:37.960 are the marrow of American ruggedness. I'm not saying it's 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:41.280 the only thing that carries that, but I'm quite certain 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:45.360 that it does. Gary Nuclem instilled in me the desire 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:48.000 to be a well rounded woodsman and to get a 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:51.920 PhD in woodsmanship. I believe that to be a true 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:56.560 contosseur of North American hunting. You need to understand something 0:14:56.720 --> 0:14:59.520 about dry ground lion hunting. You don't have to do 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:02.920 it most probably never will. You don't have to like it. 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:07.080 You probably wouldn't. But I feel like my insides are 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:10.800 expanded when I talk to people who dedicated their lives 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:15.520 to a craft, and being a successful lion hunter requires 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:20.760 the dedication of a lifetime. Shorty Gorham is one of 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:25.880 the world's best bullfighters. He's worked for the PBR Professional 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:29.800 Bull Riders for seventeen years and his dedicated his life 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:33.240 to his craft. His job is to protect bull riders 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:35.440 once they've come off of the bull's back and are 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:39.520 on the ground. They basically run interference, distracting the bull 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:42.200 while the rider gets away. They used to call these 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:45.600 guys rodeo clowns. I find that people who are among 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:48.520 the best at what they do are good at spotting 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:52.960 others in other fields who are like them. Shorty is 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:57.080 also a dry ground lion hunter. I wanted to see 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:04.160 what he had to say about Warner Glenn being from 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:08.520 the Southwest and and hunting lions on dry ground. If 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:10.760 you ask around, ask very many questions, you're gonna hear 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:13.600 Warner's name and so that's that's how I had heard 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:15.480 of him, just trying to learn as much as I 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:17.960 could and read as much as I could. And when 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:20.640 that topic comes up, warners one of the one of 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:22.320 the big names. You know, he's he's one of the 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:24.960 best dry ground lion hunters in the in the world. 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:27.600 And you could say, of all times, you know, they 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:31.640 all the well known, big time dry ground lion hunters, 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:36.280 no respect and love Warner lends. So it's just a 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:39.320 household name, you know. So when I got to go 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:42.240 to his house, it was it was quite the experience, 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:44.400 you know, I'll never forget it. I pulled in, I 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:47.560 had flown there to Arizona from a straight from a 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:50.040 bull ride and drove a couple of hours to the house, 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:53.400 pulled in in a rental car, and and Warner comes, well, 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:55.880 Warner was out feeding his mules, comes over and shakes 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:58.400 my hand, and he's a very tall man. So I'm 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:01.360 looking up at him, and and the from that point 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:03.800 till I felt like I had known Warner all my 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:06.720 life was you know, ten to fifteen minutes. Maybe it's 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:09.200 just a just a great guy, just a genuine man. 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:13.480 And it's interesting to me how there's some people that 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:17.680 have that quality, and in your experience with him was 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:21.000 very similar to my first meeting him. What is it 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:23.400 that makes a person be able to have that kind 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:26.080 of connection with people? I don't, you know, I don't know. 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:28.560 I really don't. You know. The thing is, I've met 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:31.080 a lot of his clients that have hunted with him, 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:34.919 and Warner's return clientele is just massive. Like I know, 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:37.320 guys that have hunted with him for twenty years, every 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:39.639 single year just because they want to go spend time 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:43.600 with Warrener Glenn. But they just want that connection with Warners, 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:46.160 so they keep going back year after year after year, 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:49.320 you know, and there's a real rough and tough lion hunter. 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:52.760 He he once said. He said, when I when my 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:54.639 time comes to an end and I and I go 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:57.159 off to the other side, he said, if if I 0:17:57.200 --> 0:17:59.680 look around and in my second life and I don't 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:01.719 see Warner Glenn, I'm gonna know I really screwed up. 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:04.159 Because we all know Oraners going to heaven. That just 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:10.800 describes Warner. John Blosier has known Mr Warner for twenty 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:14.560 plus years and as professionally hunted lions on dry ground 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:18.199 for over thirty by professionally. I mean he worked for 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:22.360 the state of Oregon managing livestock killing and nuisance lions. 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:26.960 In eighteen John was called to ply his craft in 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:30.520 a tragic situation. He and his dogs tracked down the 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:34.040 first wild mountain lion in modern times in Oregon that 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:38.560 killed a human wild stuff. But his hunting wasn't just 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:41.560 a career. He loves what he does and is a 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:44.920 lifelong student of it. He's one of these guys that's 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:47.919 done whatever it took to put himself in relationship with 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:50.919 the best in the world in his field, one of 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:54.919 which is Warner Glenn. I asked John to define for 0:18:55.119 --> 0:19:00.480 us what dry ground lion hunting is. Hunting lions dry 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:03.600 ground would be without the aid of snow for cutting 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:06.960 tracks and tracking conditions. The reason that makes that easier 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:09.320 is if you have country that's got roads in it 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:12.000 that you can go and cut a lion track in 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:14.000 the snow at a you know the age of it 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:16.119 because you know when it quits snow one and be 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:19.600 you know the direction it's traveling. So those two things 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:21.800 are two of the more difficult things in lion hunting. 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:23.560 And you have both of those taken care for, you 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:26.160 a lot of the dry ground lion hunting that goes 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:30.720 on in the United States is in the Southwest United States, Arizona, 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:36.360 New Mexico, southern Utah, southern Nevada, places like that, And uh, 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:39.399 I guess one or many reasons that would be harder 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:42.680 as a when you dry ground lion hunt. Most of 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:45.320 the time, many of the mountain ranges in the Southwest 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:48.960 that lions live in are only accessible by horse back 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:51.800 or afoot, so your dogs have to be freecasted and 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:54.080 be able to start a lion track on their own. 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:57.399 Anybody that's hunted with hounds very much, or even dealt 0:19:57.400 --> 0:19:59.560 with dogs very much, would know that it would take 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:01.800 a little more or worked to be put into your 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:04.080 dogs to have them where they would only start a 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:06.920 lion track, because hound dogs, by their very nature, kind 0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:09.240 of like to trail things, and many times there's a 0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:12.200 lot more smells out there than just a lion track. John, 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:15.560 tell me about Tell me about Warner glenn Um. That's 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:20.720 a big question. Yeah, So I've known Warner for over 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:24.120 two decades. I met him in my quest to kind 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:26.080 of learn how to be a dry ground lion hunter. 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:30.400 That was what originally sparked Warner and Ice connection and 0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:34.679 has kept that, you know, the Glenser. I consider him family. 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:37.080 They're very close. There's certainly not a lot of people 0:20:37.160 --> 0:20:39.760 like that. You know, Warner as a cowboy and a 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:43.240 lion hunter and a family person. I don't really think. 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:45.680 I mean, I've spent quite a little time around him 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:48.920 and got the opportunity to hunt with him numerous numerous days, 0:20:48.960 --> 0:20:51.280 and uh, you know, there's just not a lot of 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:55.359 people like that that have dedicated their whole life to something. 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:58.399 And I might be a little bit off, but I 0:20:58.440 --> 0:21:02.600 think I believe the time Warner started lion and he 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:05.600 was around seven or eight years old, and he's now 0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:08.639 closing in on eighty five, and that's a that's a 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:11.120 pretty long career as a dirt lion hunter, and there's 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:13.800 not been any gaps to speak of, and that he 0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:15.879 was in the military for a very short time, but 0:21:16.320 --> 0:21:19.040 he's pretty well spent his whole life in those mountains, 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:22.480 you know, in the desert Southwest mountains, chasing those things. 0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:25.080 You've had it with a lot of people. What what 0:21:25.280 --> 0:21:29.000 stands out to you? What have you learned from Warner? Oh? Boy, 0:21:29.400 --> 0:21:31.800 that would be Uh, I've learned a lot from Warner. 0:21:32.359 --> 0:21:35.159 I think Clay maybe one of the big things about 0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:39.199 that is that when you go with someone that is 0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:42.440 truly at the top of their of their game, which 0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:44.159 it's not hard to tell when you go do that 0:21:44.200 --> 0:21:46.359 if you you know, you have a little background in it, 0:21:46.359 --> 0:21:49.840 and stuff is uh, you know, Warners, Warners just one 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:52.400 of those rare people that you know, dry ground lion 0:21:52.480 --> 0:21:54.000 hunt doing the stuff that we do is a lot 0:21:54.080 --> 0:21:57.040 of work. And in Warner it he still goes out 0:21:57.080 --> 0:22:00.119 that like he's hunting snakes, and that's pretty impressive the 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:02.639 amount of work it is and stuff that is just 0:22:02.760 --> 0:22:07.600 an extremely good track reader and is just really good 0:22:07.600 --> 0:22:10.120 at reading his dogs and telling you exactly what they're 0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:13.000 up to. And he's a cowboy deluxe, I mean, to 0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:15.080 travel in bad country. I mean, you just don't get 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:17.639 any better than that. And he just uh, but you know, 0:22:17.760 --> 0:22:21.720 Warner just all of the things that embody somebody to 0:22:21.760 --> 0:22:24.399 be a lion hunter. You know, he's tall and athletic 0:22:24.440 --> 0:22:27.480 and tough and and can get around and and just 0:22:27.920 --> 0:22:30.359 all the things that it takes to be a really 0:22:30.359 --> 0:22:33.320 good lion hunter, a really good dirt lion hunter. Warner 0:22:33.400 --> 0:22:41.160 is all of those. Everyone there are two overarching factors 0:22:41.160 --> 0:22:44.399 that make this hunting difficult. Number One, it takes place 0:22:44.400 --> 0:22:48.920 in rugged regions without many roads. Lions can travel incredible 0:22:48.960 --> 0:22:52.120 distances on a daily basis, so it's got to be 0:22:52.160 --> 0:22:55.200 an extremely mobile hunt. A hunter has to become an 0:22:55.240 --> 0:23:00.760 expert at wilderness travel, and it's typically done with Equin's. Secondly, 0:23:01.000 --> 0:23:05.200 the arid nature of the land makes for difficult conditions 0:23:05.240 --> 0:23:09.440 for holding scent. It's really that simple. Dry ground lion 0:23:09.520 --> 0:23:14.040 hunting is all about scent. Scent on dirt doesn't hold 0:23:14.080 --> 0:23:16.639 well and it makes for some of the most difficult 0:23:16.680 --> 0:23:20.639 trailing conditions for dogs. A good dry ground lion dog 0:23:20.840 --> 0:23:23.480 is a phenomenal creature. It may just look like a 0:23:23.520 --> 0:23:27.080 scraggly old hound to somebody, but in my opinion, they're 0:23:27.119 --> 0:23:30.960 the Olympians of the hound world. In humans are ola 0:23:30.960 --> 0:23:34.280 factory strength is minimal compared to many other animals, so 0:23:34.320 --> 0:23:37.240 it's hard for us to understand how a dog interprets 0:23:37.240 --> 0:23:39.879 the world. I think we've got to nerd out for 0:23:39.920 --> 0:23:43.159 a minute to really understand the currency of the hound, 0:23:43.400 --> 0:23:46.760 which is sent I asked my buddy Chris pal for 0:23:46.880 --> 0:23:51.280 his insight. He's a lifelong houndsman, a former law enforcement 0:23:51.359 --> 0:23:55.320 canine handler and the host of the Houndsman XP podcast. 0:23:55.800 --> 0:24:01.520 Here's what he had to say about scent. So sin 0:24:01.760 --> 0:24:04.960 is one of the things that is key for Houndsman, 0:24:05.119 --> 0:24:08.479 but it's also one of the most misunderstood parts of 0:24:08.680 --> 0:24:11.280 how our hounds work and sent You know, it's a 0:24:11.280 --> 0:24:15.080 living thing. When an animal walks through the landscape, it 0:24:15.200 --> 0:24:18.520 is shedding cells at the rate of about fifty thousand 0:24:18.680 --> 0:24:21.480 per minute. And as those cells are shed it's coming 0:24:21.480 --> 0:24:24.879 out through being there exhaling, and they're losing it that way. 0:24:25.359 --> 0:24:29.120 When they brush up against plants and vegetation, they're shedding 0:24:29.160 --> 0:24:31.680 cells in that instance too. And when you look at 0:24:31.720 --> 0:24:34.640 the composition of a cell, it's eighty percent water. As 0:24:34.640 --> 0:24:37.400