1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: I'm Matt Miller, I'm Phil Tolodano, and. 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 2: I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is hot pursuit. 3 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: All right, Phil, that's actually great. Yeah, no, that's very good. 4 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: We should introduce him keeping for those for the few 5 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: people who don't know, which is everyone, Well, no, because 6 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: mister enthusiast people will know. 7 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 2: That's the truth. And also, the thing is, Phil has 8 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 2: large pockets of where he's known, but the pockets don't 9 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 2: necessarily connect. It's kind of like a Venn diagram. He's 10 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 2: got the watch people, he's got the art and photograph people, 11 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 2: he's got the car people, and there is some overlap, right. 12 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 3: Phil, and then there's the new recently growing medieval uma people. 13 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:47,919 Speaker 1: Yeah. I would say it's like a ven diagram where 14 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: the circles don't meet each other. 15 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 3: That's right, they just disassociated. Bubble is floating. 16 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. Really? 17 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 2: Phil is a conceptual artist, yes, in general for sure? 18 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: Yes, But would we is photography? That's your main gig, right, 19 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: that's what's made you. 20 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 3: Wealthy beyond measure. Well, to Hannah's point, I'm more of 21 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 3: a conceptual artist. So everything I do, the idea determines 22 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 3: the executioners. So sometimes often it's never photography at all. Sometimes, 23 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 3: if I'm going to get old in the weeds, which 24 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 3: I'm happy to do immediately, sometimes at the moment, is 25 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 3: Ai is what I'm working with, all right. 26 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: I was familiar with him before as a photographer, and 27 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: then I saw him work as a priest. I've done 28 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 1: very strong work as a priest. He Hannah. I mean, 29 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 1: can we say, is it fair to say that he 30 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: married you? 31 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 2: Yes? 32 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: Yes, that kind of works. 33 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he is a dow unordained minister. 34 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 3: I think we can say, actually, to be honest about 35 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 3: my main gig now is priest. I mean I'm when 36 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 3: I mean, that's why I was late, to be honest, 37 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 3: I was actually doing a brisk because it's pre slash moil. 38 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: I got a lot of things. I'm a lot I 39 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: wear a lot of hats, So I'm just I'm excited 40 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: to have you here. And I wanted to kick off 41 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: with like a concept because I was thinking, you're like 42 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: a conceptual guy. And I heard you or I read 43 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: you mentioned the idea of a forever car, and this 44 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: is something that I think our listeners will have thought 45 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: about a lot. You can you buy a car or 46 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 1: a motorcycle or a watch or any of these things 47 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: that people collect. Can you buy one to satisfy your 48 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: needs kind of forever and like the one ring, yes, 49 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: to rule them all. And we got a great email 50 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: from a listener, and I wanted to just quickly read 51 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: the the excerpt, and then I thought we could. Was 52 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:36,519 Speaker 1: it asking me not to be on the show? No, 53 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: not about you, dude about cars? So we got a 54 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 1: cool email from a guy named Dan. He says, I 55 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: recently bought my dream car, a manual nine nine seven 56 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: two C four s, and I've been loving the experience. 57 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: I've been a gearhead for as long as I could 58 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 1: remember and a huge Porsche fanboy. The dream was always 59 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 1: a nine to eleven, so I didn't even really consider 60 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 1: any other option. Act The first time I drove any 61 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: nine to eleven was mine after winning the auction. Since 62 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: I bought the nine ninety seven, part of me feels 63 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: like I have my forever car. 64 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 3: I mean, it's kind of amazing because really he was 65 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 3: basically a virgin until marriage. 66 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I think it's pretty cool though it's 67 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: not being a virgin until marriage, but this because look, 68 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: I also when I first got into cars, it was 69 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: a picture of a nine to eleven that got me 70 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: into it, and then I had always been in love 71 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: until that point. I guess I am. 72 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 3: So I'm such a like I have such a pathologically 73 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 3: small attention span. I think for me that I have 74 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 3: it's forever curiosity, as miserable as that sounds. So there's 75 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 3: not one thing that I would be happy with forever, 76 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 3: other than of course my wife and child. 77 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: In case she's listening, well, didn't you say when you 78 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: first started dating your wife, like this is forever? That's 79 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: what she says. Man, I don't remember saying those words. 80 00:03:58,080 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 2: Uh. 81 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 3: I mean, I've always been so into the experience of everything, 82 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 3: Like I've bought, I've been lucky enough to have so 83 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 3: many different cars, and none of those cars I've ever 84 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 3: driven before. Like it's they just show up and then 85 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 3: and then you get in it, You're like, oh this 86 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 3: is fun. Oh this is really miserable. But so I 87 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 3: really love the experience of everything. So I don't think. 88 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: Dude, that's unusual, Hannah, that's unusual, right You've never No, 89 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: it is unusual. 90 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 3: Hang, sorry to right handed, but it is unusually only 91 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 3: because I like super weird stuff. So all the kind 92 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 3: of stuff I like like a lot of the time, 93 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 3: Like if you like Porsche's or BMW's, you know someone, 94 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 3: you see someone, there's a good chance maybe you'll get 95 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 3: a chance to drive one. But the stuff I like 96 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 3: is so was or is often so obscure that no 97 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 3: one has one. Like I've just seen it in a 98 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 3: video on YouTube. 99 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 2: It seems like the driving is not your primary motivating factor. 100 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 2: Ah is it, like you've bought car, There's something else 101 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: that's attracting you to the vehicle, not how it's going 102 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 2: to drive. 103 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 3: I guess I was very into the sort of group 104 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 3: B rally stuff, and I loved the history of those cars. 105 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 3: I loved how kind of strange and awkward they looked, 106 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 3: and I really loved how they drove. So that I 107 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 3: mean I did. I do love driving. I will say 108 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 3: that driving is I'm somehow less interested in driving now 109 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 3: as I approach my dotage, oh as I enter my dotage. 110 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: But you still so. I had noticed looking at some 111 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 1: of the cars that you have, and some of the. 112 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 2: Cars specific list, some of the cars people know what 113 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 2: we're talking about. 114 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: So I was thinking about the M one. He has 115 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: a you have a BMW N one M one, right, 116 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: and you have a LAUNCHA three seven. Yes, that thing, 117 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 1: and you also recently posted a pick and I want 118 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: to go through later on go through your some of 119 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: the picks you posted of a Guyardo, and all of 120 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: these happened this wedge shape. I actually I don't have that. Well, 121 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 1: you're right, I do. I do love. 122 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 3: That seventies Gandini Giojaro kind of you have to say 123 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 3: his name like that by law, that kind of folded paper, 124 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 3: you know, concept car thing, the citren Afromeo Caribou, the 125 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 3: Citoine Karen who's unfortunate name. Now, all those things are 126 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 3: amazing shape. So it's true. 127 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: I kind of love that. 128 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 3: For the Guyado, I just I just post I don't 129 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 3: have one, but I just saw it a picture of 130 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 3: one at the first gen Gayado, and I thought, wow, 131 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 3: that has really a beautiful design. Particularly it's so much 132 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 3: nicer than contemporary Lamborghinis. And maybe it's because I'm just 133 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 3: a geezer and like old stuff, but it just it 134 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 3: just aged beautifully, I think in like a silver color. 135 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: It's amazing. 136 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 2: And in the contrast to that is the Jag. 137 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: The Jag, Yes, I have a Jag. 138 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 3: I have a Jag X j two twenty Wow, which 139 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 3: is which is a trousis animal? 140 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: It's also again to your point, that's one you would 141 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: normally never have the chance to drive, Like you don't 142 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 1: even see them around? 143 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, most time they're not being driven because they're 144 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 3: stuffed away in like you know, lusern or Lausanne or somebody. 145 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:06,679 Speaker 1: How many are there? There can't be that many. 146 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 3: Two hundred and seventy nine there you go. But all 147 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 3: the cars I've bought have been very, very low production. 148 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: It's shame with the M one, like you wouldn't have 149 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: a chance to drive your neighbors M one. Where are they? 150 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 3: The only reason I bought the M one, and when 151 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 3: I bought that M one that changed my entire collecting 152 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 3: life was because I went down to Florida. 153 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: There was a dealer there had I. 154 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 3: Was going down to look at a de Tomasu Mangusta 155 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 3: and which is a really beautiful juji I love? Yeah, 156 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 3: and it could not And then I got in the car, 157 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 3: and I have to say, it could not be a 158 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 3: worse car to drive. You know where the headliner kind 159 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 3: of meets the wind screen, that's where your cranium is, 160 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 3: like your head is the front of my head was 161 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 3: basically touching the glass of the wind screen, and I 162 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 3: was like, this can't be right. 163 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: Is this normal? 164 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 3: It was like, yeah, this is how it is. So 165 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 3: I drove about five minutes. I said, this is I can't. 166 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 3: I can't buy this car, even though it's amazing to 167 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 3: look at. And he had an m one in the showroom, 168 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 3: and even though I was I never had had any 169 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 3: interest in And then when I thought, well while I'm here, 170 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 3: you know, oh maybe I could have a quick go 171 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 3: on this one, and I drove it and it blew 172 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 3: my mind. And then and I until then, I had 173 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 3: previously collected Italian stuff from the sixties, late sixties and 174 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 3: early seventies, and I sold everything and I bought, like, 175 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 3: you know, I went through this kind of crazy frenzy 176 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 3: of like Lancia Stratos, Lancia Delta S four, Pergio T sixteen, 177 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 3: Mercedes Evo two, Lancio three seven. 178 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: It's just this crazy like and I kept, you. 179 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 3: Know, and I'd have them for a few years, Lancia Stratos, 180 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 3: and then I'd sell them and try and buy the 181 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 3: next one. I mean, that's how I kind of afforded 182 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 3: to get Then there. 183 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: Is no forever car for you as essentially the answer 184 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:46,839 Speaker 1: I did. 185 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 2: The one. The N one is sounding to me like 186 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 2: your forever car. 187 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 1: It has survived the purchase, it survived, it has That's 188 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:55,959 Speaker 1: the only. 189 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 2: I the one time I ever saw you get I 190 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 2: don't want to say upset, touchy. We had we drove 191 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 2: the M one over to Dumbo in Brooklyn and from 192 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 2: New Jersey, and we're shooting a bunch of photos and 193 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 2: video of it. And at one point I asked if 194 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 2: I could get into the trunk and you just said 195 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 2: flat out no, like there was no joking or humor 196 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 2: for the first time ever, and you. 197 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: Wanted to get in the trunk of an M one. 198 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you? Mat Yeah, why I would just have. 199 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 2: I was cars should be fun, you know, let's explore 200 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 2: the space. And it was a flat out. 201 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: Just you know what, You're so right, I had. 202 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 2: It's funny. It was funny to me. 203 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:46,839 Speaker 3: It's totally true. It's weird, like I had a total 204 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 3: sense of humor shutdown. I remember I had used to 205 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 3: have an ISO grifo and I drove up to like 206 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 3: the Hampton's or something for a weekend with the missus 207 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,959 Speaker 3: once and we stopped and she bought some flowers and 208 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 3: they were like dripping water, and she put them in 209 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:00,080 Speaker 3: back seat and I went. 210 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 1: All apoplectic, like how what are you doing when? 211 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 3: All mental? And she just looked at me like she 212 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 3: never met me before. 213 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: And it was true. I don't know what happened to me, 214 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: Like I going all crazy. 215 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 2: It's something switches because it's so funny, because Phil, that 216 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 2: is so not a side of yourself that you show 217 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 2: very often. 218 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: I guess you're protective of the m one all because 219 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: because it's true, Like, you know what, that's a very 220 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: good question, Hannah. 221 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 3: I guess because I feel like these things are so 222 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 3: kind of I have no sense of humor about cars. 223 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 3: It could be possible. 224 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: Dode you care? That's okay, you care? Is it wrong 225 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: to care? 226 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 2: Ma? 227 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 3: No? Thank you, Hannah? Why mocking? Why shaming men? Men 228 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 3: can care? 229 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: Yeah? Why feelings? Yeah? 230 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 2: Noted, it was noted. What I'm saying so is that 231 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 2: the one I found it very interesting is. 232 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: That the one that I mean, uh, is that the 233 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: car that is your forever car and everything else is 234 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: just kind of like N plus one. You always need 235 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: to get something different, but YEA one is always going 236 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: to stay with you. 237 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 3: Maybe, Yeah, you could be right, because it's such a 238 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 3: lovely car to drive. 239 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: Is it a V eight? I don't know much about it? 240 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: Is an inline six? Y's a straight six. 241 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 3: Look, I know nothing about how cars work. I mean 242 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 3: the fact that the fact that I even know how 243 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 3: many cylinders is miraculous. Well, you're in the right crowd, 244 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 3: I mean, ask Hanna, like you know, Magnus is always 245 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 3: mocking me for like knowing nothing. 246 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I remember I had a. 247 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 3: Two forty six years ago, a Ferrari that I kept 248 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 3: in the public garage down the street from under a cover, 249 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 3: just you know, casually. This is when they weren't worth 250 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 3: very much. 251 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: I iced to drive it. 252 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 3: A nice to drive it around Yeah, well no, but 253 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 3: no one cared. Then A nice to drive it around 254 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 3: the city all the time. And then it stopped, like 255 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 3: in midtown, just came to coasted, took stuff. So my 256 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 3: friend so I push it over the side of the 257 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 3: road with some help of New York beause. Then I 258 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 3: call my friend and he says, if you checked the 259 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 3: spark plugs? I go, what do I want to check 260 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 3: those for? Aren't those just for like starting the car? 261 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 3: And then and then and then there was this long silence. 262 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, classic, Well, but you know what I think, it's 263 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: it's all. It's further to Hannah's point that it's not 264 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: solely about driving these cars. Obviously you're not gonna buy 265 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 1: one that you can't drive because your head's on the windscreen. 266 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: But you're more interested in the shape, the feel, the character, 267 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: the design. Uh No, it is. I mean the driving is. 268 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 3: The driving is super super important. 269 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: It is. 270 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 3: I mean I've sold like the Mercedes Evo too. I 271 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 3: sold because I found the driving experience, like if you 272 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 3: know that car? 273 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: Do you know that? 274 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 3: But no, it's like a Mercedes. I'm gonna google it, right, 275 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 3: it's like a Mercedes from the nineties. It looks like 276 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 3: an Eastern European taxi but it's got flat arches and 277 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 3: a big, massive wing and it's kind of it looks 278 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 3: of course, yes, so I was like, oh my god, 279 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 3: this car looks mental. It's gonna be insane. And then 280 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 3: it was just like it was like driving an Eastern 281 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 3: European taxi, Like it wasn't really fun to drive. So 282 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,199 Speaker 3: I sold it. So I don't keep things that aren't 283 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 3: fun to drive. 284 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,239 Speaker 1: So it's an E class. It's the it was the 285 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: sort of class on steroids that was so big, and 286 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: I want to say the eighties, but I guess it's 287 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: a nineties. 288 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 3: Because it was they made it for DTM racing. 289 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: Nice. It was a homoligation cut that's a Deutsche Tour 290 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: and meister Shaft I didn't even know what that meant 291 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: to be, amyah down to much. Well, well, Phil, that 292 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: that's that's that's interesting. So you do care a lot 293 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: about the driving, but like many of us, you just 294 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: don't know a lot about the mechanics. I right, you 295 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 1: know love the M one and I wasn't sure if 296 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: it was a V eight. 297 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 3: I mean, because I've had so many weird cars that 298 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 3: often don't work, I've kind of by default learnt like, okay, 299 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 3: maybe this weird noise is why this? 300 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: You know, this could be this. You have an XGA 301 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: two twenty, which a lot of people, which is famous 302 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: for not being a V twelve, right, that's right, Yeah, 303 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 1: it's famous. 304 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,319 Speaker 3: I mean it's kind of ironic because if it had 305 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 3: been a V twelve, it wouldn't have been as. 306 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: Fast, yeah, because it would have been heavier, Yeah, way heavier. 307 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 3: I mean the whole point of the two twenty was 308 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 3: to go to twenty miles an hour, and with a 309 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 3: V twelve it was apparently like just a lead balloon. 310 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: But it also I don't think it went to hundred 311 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: twenty miles. No, it did. 312 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, well, I think it went like two seventeen, Hannah. 313 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 2: It's a rounding error. 314 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's. 315 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 2: I I actually don't know. I have to google it myself, 316 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,079 Speaker 2: and I'm sure that Matt Matt's already on the case. 317 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 3: You're right, you know, I'm in a cool I'm gonna 318 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 3: say two seventeen and I I'm going to look at it. 319 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: You can continue to converse while I here's something. 320 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 2: Here's something I want to know of Phil, which I 321 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 2: think you know speaks to just what you do and 322 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 2: watches and with your artwork too. What informs your and 323 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 2: has developed your taste and your sensibility for the odd 324 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 2: the oddities of the world, and just it's not it's 325 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 2: not quirky for quirk's sake. There's there's there's real authenticity 326 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 2: behind it. But you're you gravitate toward something that people 327 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 2: can see in your watches, in the cars, and in 328 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 2: the art. What is that and what has informed that? 329 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 3: That's a very good question. I guess, well, there's a 330 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 3: few things. One is, as my old ad boss used 331 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 3: to say, I'm a pathological contrarian. So I have this 332 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 3: this urge to not have the same things other people have. 333 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 3: It's a it's like a specific form of snobbery. But 334 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 3: the other thing is, I feel like there are so 335 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 3: many beautiful things in the world that are orphans that 336 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 3: people just don't pay attention to because they're busy being 337 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 3: sucked into the gravitational pull of I must have a Porsche, 338 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 3: I must have an M three or whatever it happens 339 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 3: to be. And not that those things aren't lovely, but 340 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 3: that gravitational pull is incredibly strong and so but my 341 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 3: entire life, who I am, all my reflexes always geared 342 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 3: towards well, if that's what everyone else is looking at, 343 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 3: let me look at this other direction. See what else 344 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 3: is in the corner. Kind of abandoned but interesting, because 345 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 3: there is so much amazing stuff, just you know, cars, watches, 346 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 3: history that people just forget about because we. 347 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: Move so quickly. 348 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 3: I'm much happier to go to a Carson coffee and 349 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 3: see like a Toyota Siena from Japan with the golden 350 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 3: doors than I am to see like a two fifty 351 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 3: short wheelbase, only because I've seen dozens of two fifty 352 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 3: short wheelbases. But at Siena, that's cool. Like that means 353 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 3: that person has really rooted around and like thought about 354 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 3: things and said, you know, this is interesting to me 355 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 3: and gone against the grain, and I find that really interesting. 356 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I totally agree. By the way, As an aside, 357 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: did you work for an agency? Yeah, I worked for 358 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: a bunch of agencies. Oh I did not know that. Yeah, 359 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: I want to just do a little fact checking. Phil 360 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: is correct. With the catalytic converter remove, the XJ two 361 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: twenty reached a tosspeed of two hundred and seventeen miles 362 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: an hour. Oh during testing at the Nardo test track 363 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: in Italy. This made it the fastest production car from 364 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two to nineteen ninety three. 365 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 3: I mean, the thing about the two twenty is that 366 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 3: it's just astronomically amazing to look at. Like, but of 367 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 3: all its contemporaries, I will, I will go, I will 368 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 3: die on the hill for this. That phrases for this. 369 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: You'll lay your hand in fire. 370 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, I will, I will just say between, Like, 371 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 3: if you think about the two twenty, the McLaren F one, 372 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 3: the nine, five, nine, the F forty, all those kinds 373 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 3: of cars. For me, the two twenty, if they all 374 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 3: rolled up and you knew nothing about cars, you knew 375 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 3: nothing about brands, the two twenty is the most extraordinary 376 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 3: one to look at because it's quite it's so radical 377 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 3: in its proportions, in its shape, and all the other 378 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 3: things are beautiful, but they're kind of incremental, evolutionary designs, 379 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 3: I think. 380 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: But you also have you have, but I'm also super biased. Yeah, 381 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: well no, not just that, but you have a specific taste, 382 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 1: and I notice it more in your watches, or at 383 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: least the watches that I see on Instagram. You like 384 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: a really elegant You like a kind of minimalist approach 385 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: to things. Is that fair to say? Well, because no, 386 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 1: because the this doesn't have all the kind of wings 387 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: and creases and but. 388 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:07,360 Speaker 3: A lot of the nineties and a lot of the nineties. 389 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:09,120 Speaker 3: I mean, look, I think actually I think the EB 390 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 3: one ten. 391 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: Is really cool. Is a super in silver Bugati. 392 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a super cool car, the super sport where 393 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 3: those little round circles on the Yeah, I mean, that's 394 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 3: just it's just really and it's also got such a 395 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 3: kind of it's you know what's interesting about the EB 396 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 3: one ten When you look at it, it's incredibly aggressive 397 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,400 Speaker 3: in a way that no one does now because there's 398 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,439 Speaker 3: not much in a way of like vents and strakes 399 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 3: and intakes. It just looks like it means business. Like 400 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 3: it's it's like it's the velvet fist in a way 401 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 3: that like, I feel like car design now when they 402 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 3: want to mean business, they just go to the shopping, 403 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:43,880 Speaker 3: they go to the supermarket and add like a bunch 404 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 3: of intakes, you know, and wings and strakes and canards velvet. 405 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 2: I feel like this fist, I feel I'm not. 406 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: Sure if velvet fist is even allowed. You know, kids, 407 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:56,880 Speaker 1: listen to this. 408 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 3: This is just it's a great way to desire. If 409 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 3: you think of like beautiful design that has a brutal 410 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 3: that is it's kind of cloaked brutality. 411 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 2: Would you call it the Tolla down on Chan watch 412 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 2: a brutal. 413 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 3: Oh yeah absolutely, because it was inspired directly from a 414 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 3: brutless building, the mussel Broyer building on fifty seventh. I 415 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 3: think it is the window in particular, so absolutely. I mean, 416 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 3: I'm a huge fan of brute. 417 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: Oh well, well look. 418 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 2: You had, well look you here I've had Honestly, within 419 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 2: the last week, multiple people have said to me, do 420 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 2: you know Phil's watch? And can I get one? And 421 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 2: I slept on it and now I'm regretting it. 422 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 1: I think it's fascinating that your taste in watches, and 423 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: I can see from the design of this carries through 424 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: to your tasting cars in a way, because this I 425 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: wouldn't think of it when I just look at the watch, 426 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: but then I look at your carkull and I'm like, oh, 427 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 1: I totally get that. You love the launching like that. 428 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 3: It's it's It's interesting though, because if all the things 429 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 3: I collected before the car stuff was totally different, like 430 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 3: a two forty sixteen h nineteen sixty Lance Flaminia Sports Zagato, 431 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 3: what else is so griefer? Like those are all beautiful 432 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 3: curves and rounded shapes, and I mean, really amazing. 433 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: I guess you're not. 434 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 3: The thing I find really lovely about collecting is with 435 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 3: watches and cars, is that things that I previously thought 436 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 3: were horrifying, like seventies watches, there's something like it's almost 437 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 3: like a tumbler or a cog that kind of clicks 438 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 3: within me. And then suddenly I look at them and go, oh, 439 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 3: that thing's amazing. How could I not have seen that before? 440 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,719 Speaker 3: Like with seventies watches, That's what happened. Like I was 441 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 3: always kind of, you know, not interested in them or 442 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 3: gerald Gentis stuff from the nineties, like it all just 443 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 3: seemed too much, and then suddenly it's like I understood 444 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:55,959 Speaker 3: it spontaneously. 445 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 2: Bill. What do you think of the cubitus. 446 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 3: Oh, here's the thing. I blathered something about the cubatus 447 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 3: this morning on Instagram. 448 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 2: Can I Can I read something back to you? 449 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 1: Yes? 450 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 2: Yes, When I look at the cubittis I see fear. 451 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 2: Does that sound familiar? 452 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, because that's what I said this morning, because look 453 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 3: everyone's I mean, here's the thing. Patek has not really 454 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 3: done much of interest from a design standpoint from my perspective, 455 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 3: for decades. But the thing about the cubatis is it's 456 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 3: such a it's such an act of fear because it's 457 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 3: the when you look at it, they've done the kind 458 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 3: of superhero Marvel movie franchise model. So they've said, okay, 459 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 3: the nautoius was super popular very successful. We're gonna We're 460 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 3: going to create a new watch that takes that dismembers 461 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 3: parts of the Nautilius, glues them onto a vaguely new 462 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 3: case shape. We're going to have a name that sounds 463 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 3: like Nautous but is now Cubatus, So it's just like 464 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 3: another It's like return of them, you know, return of 465 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,159 Speaker 3: the Nautilus, enter the Cubatus, you. 466 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: Know what I mean. 467 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 3: Like, it's just it's just a it's just a sequel. 468 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 3: And I feel like for a company like Patek to 469 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 3: do sequels that in the the fear internally that the 470 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 3: weight the burden of success internally must be utterly paralyzing, 471 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 3: like they must be, they must be unable to come 472 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 3: up with an original thought because they're so oppressed by 473 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 3: the weight of their own history and success. And it's sad. 474 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: We are talking for those who aren't aware about a 475 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: watch by Patek Philip we transition. But it's a recent 476 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: very thin for sure, No, no, for sure. I just 477 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: want to I mean, maybe a lot of people will know, 478 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: but I think it's also so new that a lot 479 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 1: of people won't. Like I thought you were saying something 480 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: about Cubatists, like like an art movement. 481 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,120 Speaker 3: You know, it was a spinoff from Picasso bus Cubists 482 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 3: and the Cubatists who are like they were, Yeah, but you're. 483 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: Saying Cuba tuss And I only know about this watch 484 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:00,360 Speaker 1: because Chris Rouser posted it on Instagram like a couple ago. 485 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: As we look. 486 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 3: It's not an unattractive watch, you know, it's fun. 487 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: I think it's a beautiful watch. Frankly, And if you 488 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: don't know the history or anything about watches, you might 489 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 1: be like, that's sweet. Yeah. 490 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,919 Speaker 3: I mean, I mean it is massive, it's gullivarian in 491 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 3: bloody size. But but yeah, it's a very nice watch, 492 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 3: I'm sure. But it's just sad that, like, you know. 493 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: What do you think about watch carmaker collaborations. I mean 494 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: we were just sort of panning the Bentley Brightling partnership recently, 495 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: but they do a lot of them, do that, right, IWC. 496 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,239 Speaker 1: And I mean I feel like you don't have any 497 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: you don't have any cars that have a watch clock 498 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: in them. 499 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 3: No, No, the watches the clocks definitively don't work in 500 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 3: whatever cars I have. I find them generally their crimes 501 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 3: against humanity, not to not to overstate things, let. 502 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 2: Me ask you this what you just described happening with 503 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 2: the cubitus. Do you see something similar happening in the 504 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:10,199 Speaker 2: car world where brands are producing vehicles and designs that 505 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 2: are created more out of a fear, a place of fear, 506 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 2: rather than a bold originality. 507 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 3: Well, actually i'd say Hyundai are not. They are doing 508 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 3: amazing stuff. Yes, they simon loseby the designer head design 509 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 3: gizer over there is just cranking out the genius. 510 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: Like what was that the five what's that? That? 511 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 3: That that concept card that now might be real. It 512 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 3: was based on a ponycuff Jiujaro caff in the seventies 513 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 3: that they did a concept of and now it's it 514 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 3: was a high there it is there it is. 515 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: It's oh so cool man this one. Yeah, yeah, that's 516 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: the business. 517 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 3: I mean, here's here's an example. Right, Remember when Lamborghini 518 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 3: excreeted out the Kuntash reissue. 519 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: Yes you mean the the like from a couple of 520 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: years ago, years ago. 521 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 3: Like to me, what they could have done was said, okay, 522 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 3: let's think about what the Kuntash meant, that what it represented, 523 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,919 Speaker 3: like it was such a radical, extraordinary alien from out 524 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 3: of space. Let's do that again, but not reference to 525 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 3: the Kuntash at all, just on the spirit of how 526 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 3: audacious that that car was in nineteen seventy two, and 527 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 3: instead they just kind of like, you know, pooed out 528 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 3: some gas station body panels. 529 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna have to defend Lamborghini a little 530 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: bit here. First of all, you know what kuntash means. Yeah, 531 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: I mean it's like wow or something, yes, yes, and 532 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: like some sort of rural Yeah, not so silly because 533 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: they're a way up in Bologna, but okay. And I also, yeah, 534 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: I guess I tend to like almost everything that Lamborghini makes, 535 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: just because I love the design language. I love the 536 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: big motor. 537 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 3: Actually, know what I do love is the Strato if 538 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 3: I'm saying that correctly, Yes, that's which is a hurricane 539 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 3: with a two inch lift. Yeah, not be tired, but 540 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 3: I love that. Don't you think how that that's like 541 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 3: the coolest thing. 542 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 2: I loved it. I had so much fun driving it. 543 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 2: I thought they were it was fun. They didn't. I 544 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 2: felt like they didn't overthink it, like they made it 545 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 2: because it was fun. It doesn't make sense. You know, 546 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 2: it was cool and they made it look good. 547 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing looking, and it's serendipitous because it ends 548 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: up working very well. Because guess what I realized when 549 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: I drove that car. You don't need a four hundred, 550 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 1: five hundred, six hundred and seven hundred horsepower race car 551 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: on the streets of America. Like, so, how horsepower is that? 552 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 1: I don't I can't remember, but it's a it's a 553 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: big V ten engine, which is an amazing thing to 554 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: have sitting behind you. And then you just don't need 555 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: championship levels of grip on these streets. In fact, you 556 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 1: need less to make it more fun. So when I'm 557 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: sliding into an exit ramp in that thing and the 558 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: knobby tires are slipping all over the place super into 559 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: exit rounds, well in. 560 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 3: That car I did on accident clearance, I actually did 561 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 3: a three sixty. This is early on in my cor 562 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 3: collecting create like the mid nineties. I had a Portion 563 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 3: nine six ' four C two and this was a 564 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 3: club sandwich of buffoonery. I downshifted on an off ramp. 565 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: In the rain. 566 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, so all the weight just all of a sudden, 567 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 3: I'm doing this like borishiv Piro wet off the off ramp, 568 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 3: just like through a field, spinning like endlessly in slow motion. 569 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 3: I see this pope telephone pole coming towards I'm thinking, 570 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 3: oh my god, I can't plase. I hit the pole 571 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 3: and I stopped like a foot from the pole. I 572 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,199 Speaker 3: mean was and I just sat there like listening to 573 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 3: the ticking engine and the rain on the roof. God, Okay, 574 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 3: note your self, like, learn how to drive properly. 575 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 1: Yes, hilarious. Down shifting can take you by surprise, especially 576 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: when the motors in the back. Yeah, on a curve. 577 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: Do you have something specific you want to do right now? 578 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 2: Hannah, I was just going to have to say, I 579 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 2: don't know what car you're talking about from Hyundai, but 580 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 2: probably the worst car I've ever seen on the street 581 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,679 Speaker 2: is the I on a six. Oh you know what, No, 582 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 2: I come around what you guys are talking about. That 583 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 2: is the ugliest car ever. 584 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 1: No, no, no, it's weird. 585 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 3: I know it's weird, but in that battleship Gray it's 586 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 3: grotesque it is. But it's like, I don't know, obviously 587 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 3: something is wrong with me. 588 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 1: I yeah, I agree with Hannah on this. 589 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 2: It's like it's purpose, It's like barrel leg jeans it's 590 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 2: purposefully and Phil we've talked about this. It's purposefully ugly, 591 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 2: but not in a cool way. 592 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: I'm barrel jeans right now. I don't know. 593 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 3: I feel like it's like this super high tech, like 594 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 3: it's a futuristic banana in the best possible Yeah. 595 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: It reminds me of It's like somebody took the Mercedes 596 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: CLS and made it even uglier. I don't know. I 597 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: was horrified by it. 598 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 3: Then weirdly I've come around, so I may have had 599 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 3: like a I may have had like a like a 600 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 3: mental incident. 601 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 2: I mean, I think in your Dota you are losing 602 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 2: it because in that that car will never fit into 603 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,959 Speaker 2: your garage of beautiful eccentric oddities. And then you have 604 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 2: that rotten banana. 605 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 3: You know what actually would be maybe more one car. 606 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 3: If I lived in the right place, this could be 607 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 3: my Yeah, the back ends of it. 608 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: The back is the worst part I can see. Appreciating 609 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: it from the front three quarter view is not bad, 610 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: but the back and not accept that car. It has 611 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: been rejected by Hannah. It's rejected. 612 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 3: You know what I would say, could be my frev 613 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 3: car if I lived like in south of France, would 614 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 3: be a citoentle Donde which has the best, the Dandy, 615 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 3: which has I mean, hello, if that's not the best 616 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 3: name in history, it's a convertible. 617 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: Also, yeah, I'm not a huge fan of those. 618 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 2: Why are you not talking about the. 619 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: I'm not a c Okay, yeah, you know I don't. 620 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: I don't like them. I know. It makes me like 621 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: a weird car person, because if you're a true car guy, 622 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: apparently you have to appreciate I. 623 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 3: Mean this, So, this is what's so amazing about the French. 624 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 3: They are so by the rules, like everything in France 625 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 3: is like not possible, but then simultaneously they're deeply eccentric. 626 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: I don't like me. Do you reject that car? Yes, 627 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,719 Speaker 1: get out. I reject almost every French car. To be 628 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: honest with you, it's like, yes, I do the the 629 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: only what do you say, chime in? 630 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 3: I saw a bunch of seat twent I mean when 631 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 3: I was in France last night, and they're amazing perfect. 632 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 2: I have no problem with it. 633 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 4: It's not a car, it's it's like it has It's 634 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 4: like a motorcyclist giving the you know, the hand signal 635 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 4: to somebody who's riding a piaggio. 636 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: Scooter. You just can't do that. This is an interesting 637 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: mode of transportation. You know what this is. It's a 638 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: mobility solution. 639 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 3: It's like a it's like a it's like a it's 640 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 3: a pin my ride rascal. 641 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: Imagine if you got hit with that thing, you well, 642 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: I just think if you got hit by it, it 643 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: would be fine, But if you got hit in it, 644 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: it would be a problem. The only French car that 645 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: I like is Renault TwinGo. I love the TwinGo, but 646 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: I like the new one like the old ones because 647 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 1: the old ones had the engine in the front like 648 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: every other car in the world, and the new generation, 649 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: not the concept, but the you know, the ones they've 650 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 1: been making since the twenty teens have an engine in 651 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: the rear. What about the push of T sixteen. You 652 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: can say no to that. I don't know. I don't 653 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: know that one, but I think they're cute. 654 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 2: I'm all for especially. I mean, if the thing is, 655 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 2: imagine it like this, If everybody had that car, would 656 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 2: the world be a better place? And I think the 657 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 2: answer is yes. 658 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: You talking about the. 659 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 3: Sure, Yeah, you're right, because think how you couldn't really 660 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 3: have road rage if you're driving seat trontomy because you 661 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 3: just look like a buffoon, like who's gonna Who's gonna 662 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 3: Who's what are you gonna like? 663 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: Hunk it? You like it? 664 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 3: You know, like you're gonna cut something off in your 665 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 3: am me. I mean I guess you could, but then 666 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 3: you know you could push you over like it's like 667 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 3: a porter cabin, but in the best possible way. 668 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, I wanted to go through a 669 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: number of the cars that you have posted. 670 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 2: About talk about. 671 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: Ye, you're right, by the way. Is this the same car? 672 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: I think the other day I saw Magnus talking about 673 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: how he might want one. He's like, am I crazy? 674 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: Or do I want one? And I'm like, you're crazy, dude. 675 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 3: Okay, this enrages because I've been singing the joys and 676 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 3: praise of Legnda for years and I was actually funny enough, Hannah. 677 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 3: I was talking to someone who about the Lagonda just 678 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 3: the other day, and he was talking about how it's 679 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 3: really fun to drive, like it's not so floaty, like 680 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 3: the engines really invigorating. I think it's I saw one 681 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 3: in period across It was popped cross the street from 682 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 3: me as a kid, and I never forgot it. A 683 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 3: white one and it's just the most bonkous bit of design. 684 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 3: The one thing that's a problem this guy was saying 685 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 3: he did. They did an article, I guess in Australia 686 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 3: about them and they had like the finest Lagonda available 687 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 3: to humanity that had been to England had its dash 688 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 3: rebuilt because they've got these crazy capacitive touch dashes or 689 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 3: whatever it is, and it's still kept breaking down, even 690 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 3: though you know it was like the best example you 691 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 3: could find. 692 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this tracks with your. 693 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, because here's what I'm thinking. I have this fantasy 694 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 3: in my head that I would sell all my cars 695 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 3: and then I'd buy like a Bentley a Nage or 696 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 3: a Bentley Continental Tea. It's like a version of you guys, 697 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 3: but less cool. 698 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 1: I thought you had bought that. I saw it on Instagram. 699 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: I thought you'd finally reach that stage. 700 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 3: I have reached that stage, but I haven't. Like, not 701 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 3: everything you see on Instagram is true, Matt. I know 702 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 3: this is gonna be shocked. 703 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: It is a beautiful, beautiful car that's like my one 704 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 1: of my ultimate dream cars. Yeah. No, no, no, no, the 705 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 1: Continental Team. Oh, I know it's amazing, but I think 706 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 1: you need to have your own mechanic, because that's one 707 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: that takes many, many hours. If you guys, they get lucky, 708 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: they're touched by God somehow, and normal people can't. 709 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,479 Speaker 3: But you drive around these vintage rollas like on the rag, 710 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 3: on the rag, and and nothing happens. 711 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 2: Right, well, you know, I say, nothing happens. 712 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 1: But nothing apocalyptic. 713 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 2: We take it in our stride, we take it at 714 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:22,879 Speaker 2: our Yeah, nothing apocalyptic. 715 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: Yes see. I feel like just the is. 716 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 2: To drive it. Just keep driving it, just keep driving it. 717 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 2: That's the thing. 718 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,359 Speaker 1: I hear that, and I tell people that, Hannah says that. 719 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: But then when I hear about other people who buy them, 720 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: you know, like there's a YouTuber Hoovi's garage that guy 721 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 1: bought one, and Matt Farrah bought one, and they all 722 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: come with like twenty thousand dollars repair bills straight out 723 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 1: of the gate, you know. And then apparently the way 724 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,800 Speaker 1: the motor is set up, it's just assuming labor is cheap, 725 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 1: you know, right, because it was then well, you. 726 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 3: Know, I mean I think the lagondat should be I 727 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 3: was saying talking to the Skin Australia about it. I 728 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 3: feel like it would be amazing electrical conversion cut. But 729 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 3: he said that, and then he but then he went 730 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 3: off on this round about how great the V eight is. So, 731 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 3: I guess I could be wrong, but it's so cool. 732 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:11,720 Speaker 3: I think this is a gentoo. 733 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 2: I mean, there's only one way to find out, Phil. 734 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 2: Why don't you buy it, Phil and then report back 735 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:18,919 Speaker 2: to us how it goes? 736 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: Yeah? Thanks? 737 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 3: And then well, yeah, thanks, Hannah, that's a tempting offer. Listen, 738 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,319 Speaker 3: I never drive anywhere because I live in New York. 739 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 3: Why don't you guys buy it? 740 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:29,839 Speaker 1: And then here's. 741 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 2: Here's an idea. Why don't you buy it but stored 742 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 2: in LA, and then you can come to LA and 743 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,879 Speaker 2: we'll take care of it for you. It's dog come 744 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 2: to LA and drive it. 745 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 3: Huh, it's gonna be full of dog hair. 746 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 2: We'll keep her out. 747 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 1: That is not true, and you know it. Yeah, that 748 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 1: will never happen. It's a four door, so Willow could 749 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: sit in the back seat. It's such a cool The 750 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 1: interior is so weird and cool. 751 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 2: Right. 752 00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 3: They spent more money when they were developing the car 753 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 3: on the dash than they did on the rest of 754 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 3: the car, like they spent well, that's obvious, yeah, because 755 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 3: they spent zillions on that dash. 756 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 2: I have never driven a Laganda, but I have to 757 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 2: say it, it's it's memorably the most uncomfortable car I 758 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:19,319 Speaker 2: have ever sat in, really by by far. Yes, I 759 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 2: mean I've sat in a few, like on you know, 760 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:27,759 Speaker 2: golf courses and stuff. They're just they're the position of 761 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 2: the seat and the steering wheel and the and the dashboard. 762 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 3: Have you because I think you have to be like 763 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,959 Speaker 3: a frail, octogeneire and English gentleman. Yes, and then yeah, 764 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,439 Speaker 3: no feeling in any of your limbs. If you've lost 765 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,239 Speaker 3: or feeling your limbs, it's perfect for you. 766 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 2: I think, Matt, you would just feel like you're in 767 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 2: a ten can. 768 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,400 Speaker 1: Matt's look. I'm trying to decide if I would rather 769 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: have an Ionic six or a Laganda, And it comes 770 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 1: down to color. The Ionic six I think looks really 771 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 1: good and red for some reason, Matt. 772 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 3: And no, No, the Gray, that battle ship Gray looks 773 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,279 Speaker 3: super cool. I saw any other on the street, I 774 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 3: was like, Okay, it's so weird. 775 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. 776 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,280 Speaker 3: I find it kind of audacious because it's they're really 777 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 3: just not playing by everyone else's rules. 778 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,280 Speaker 1: It's for sure. They definitely when they designed this Ionic six, 779 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,479 Speaker 1: I don't know what they were thinking, but it's nice. 780 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 2: I think it comes from a place of pessimism. 781 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 1: It's nice to have. Why, Well, that's crazy. 782 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,880 Speaker 2: Obviously given up. They've obviously just given up on beauty 783 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:32,919 Speaker 2: and they're trying and they don't care about beauty. Pessimism. 784 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 1: Interesting. I appreciate it when a carmaker, especially a mass 785 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 1: market manufacturer, does something that is clear, clearly different than 786 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: anything else. 787 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 3: See, this is what's happening. Matt is coming around the 788 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,280 Speaker 3: Onyx six. You are hearing it live. It's happening. 789 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 1: It's happening live. It really is happening. 790 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:53,880 Speaker 3: He's coming around to it, and next thing you know, 791 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,840 Speaker 3: he's He's to be texting and order. 792 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:57,800 Speaker 1: By the end of the show. I don't know because 793 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,399 Speaker 1: it's an electric car, so I'm really not interested. Why 794 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: is it electric? Yeah? Yeah, no, no thanks. 795 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 3: I would also like I mean, i'd also like a 796 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,239 Speaker 3: two door range drove. For some reason, I love a 797 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 3: two door. That would never work. 798 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,440 Speaker 1: I like any two door the two door SUVs so 799 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 1: like a wagon. Well, the g Wagon's a little too 800 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,360 Speaker 1: short for me. When it's a two door in Tudor. 801 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 3: Form, pook, Yeah, that's right. 802 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 1: The Austrian pod. Yes, yes, yeah, no, I don't. I 803 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 1: think that they're too short in Tudor form, but I like, 804 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 1: you know, a Blazer or Tudor Bronco's too short? 805 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,720 Speaker 3: Is the new Landrove defended? Two door looks super weird? 806 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:45,360 Speaker 1: Yeah? 807 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,760 Speaker 2: Can we talk about your show in France? 808 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 1: Yes? 809 00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 2: Phil, please completely devolve into two short cars. Now, this 810 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,359 Speaker 2: was an exhibition in conjunction with your book that you did. 811 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 2: Can you tell us a little bit about that? And 812 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,799 Speaker 2: also is there a place we can all see it 813 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 2: in the US. 814 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 3: That's a good question. No, you're not yet, Okay, so 815 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,120 Speaker 3: I guess the law. I've published two books this year, 816 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,880 Speaker 3: both of them with AI, and that the thing I 817 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,440 Speaker 3: find really interesting about AI is that the very existence 818 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 3: of AI now means that everything is true and nothing 819 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,480 Speaker 3: is true simultaneously. So it's totally redefined our relationship with 820 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 3: the image. And I've been working for a long time 821 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,239 Speaker 3: on this project about conspiracy theories in America, and I 822 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:36,720 Speaker 3: find interesting that now history and facts are infinitely elastic. Yeah, 823 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,399 Speaker 3: like we can just make up our own history, make 824 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 3: our own facts. 825 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:39,319 Speaker 1: We can. 826 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,279 Speaker 3: And the thing about AI is that now we have 827 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,799 Speaker 3: the technology to provide evidence for any lie that we 828 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,880 Speaker 3: can imagine. But the book, what is the book? Well, 829 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,320 Speaker 3: there's two books. The first book was called Another America, 830 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 3: and that was basically a reimagined history of New York 831 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:54,759 Speaker 3: City in the forties and fifties. And I worked with 832 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,360 Speaker 3: this incredible writer called John Kenny who wrote who wrote 833 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 3: these imagined histories to companies imagined historical images. But the 834 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,440 Speaker 3: second book, this is and this is super like photo 835 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 3: nerd level. There's a very famous war photographer called Robert Kapper, 836 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 3: and he's most famous. One of things the most famous 837 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 3: for is on D Day at Omaha Beach, he gets 838 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 3: off the boat, he shoots a bunch of photographs and 839 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,200 Speaker 3: so when you see D Day images from Omaha Beach, 840 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 3: they're always hit. But the story went he shot four 841 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 3: ros of film, sent that film back to England. They 842 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 3: kind of buggeed it up in the lab, so only 843 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:32,239 Speaker 3: eleven images from those roles survived. So I thought, this 844 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,239 Speaker 3: is interesting. He's created an empty pocket of history that 845 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,160 Speaker 3: I can fill with AI, I can reimagine a lost 846 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 3: role of Robert Kapper's film. 847 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:41,440 Speaker 1: So I did that. 848 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 3: So I made this And the point of making this 849 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,680 Speaker 3: work is not really I mean, Robert Kappa is a vehicle. 850 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,680 Speaker 3: His story is a vehicle. But the point is to say, 851 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,239 Speaker 3: if I can reimagine history so convincingly, if I can 852 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 3: imagine the past so emotionally, imagine what we can do 853 00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,200 Speaker 3: with the present. Because when you look at those images 854 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,480 Speaker 3: from that I've made with AI, they are really powerful, 855 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:07,520 Speaker 3: moving emotional images. But none of it's real, Not a 856 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,759 Speaker 3: single pixel of that is real, which is fascinating. Like 857 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,399 Speaker 3: you see these, you know, a soldier holding a dead 858 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,480 Speaker 3: soldier in his arms and he looks heartbroken, and it's 859 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,040 Speaker 3: not real. None of that it was ever real, and 860 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,920 Speaker 3: it's fascinating to me. And then the show in France, 861 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,239 Speaker 3: people would walk through the show and they'd be like, 862 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,800 Speaker 3: he's amazing war photographs and at the end they'd realize 863 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:31,040 Speaker 3: they were not real, that they'd been bamboozled. And that's 864 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,839 Speaker 3: the experience we're going to have going forward with imagery. Yep, 865 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:36,600 Speaker 3: We're going to see pictures all the time and then 866 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,719 Speaker 3: and some of them will be convincing, a lot of 867 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,680 Speaker 3: them will be, and then we're gonna be like and 868 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 3: then we'll realize, oh, that was. 869 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 1: Fake, convincing and spur just massive emotional response, that's right, 870 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:52,960 Speaker 1: You're normally used to only triggering by reality, right, Well. 871 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,560 Speaker 3: We live in the outrage economy, so everyone is a 872 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,080 Speaker 3: willing participant in that. And so what we have is 873 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 3: we have this perfect storm of the outrage economy. We 874 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,200 Speaker 3: have the perfect dissemination system, which is the phone. We 875 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:08,239 Speaker 3: have the perfect content creation tool, which is AI. And 876 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,680 Speaker 3: so it's kind of interesting, like I wonder, what's you know, truth, 877 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:13,640 Speaker 3: it's sort of gone in. 878 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,720 Speaker 1: A way, the death of truth. 879 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:21,480 Speaker 2: Hannah, Well, is that a work of deep pessimism to 880 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:22,480 Speaker 2: you about the future. 881 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,280 Speaker 3: No, it's actually weirdly not. It's it's a good question. 882 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,239 Speaker 3: It's it's a work for me of observation. Like I 883 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,960 Speaker 3: find it very interesting that we are now in this 884 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 3: kind of post truth era, and I'm really curious to know, 885 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:36,839 Speaker 3: like how is it going to work? Like how will 886 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,040 Speaker 3: we talk to each other and find out what's real 887 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,960 Speaker 3: what's not? Like it's so interesting to me when I 888 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,000 Speaker 3: hear you know, I'm not going to devolve into politic 889 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:45,719 Speaker 3: When I hear Trump talk about America. When I hear 890 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,759 Speaker 3: people on the right talk about America, they see a 891 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,200 Speaker 3: very different country from the what I see. And it's 892 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,239 Speaker 3: just as real for them as the one I happen 893 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:57,319 Speaker 3: to live in. And I wonder if, in some weird way, 894 00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,360 Speaker 3: we're going to go back to like how do people 895 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,160 Speaker 3: discuss current events in let's say, the seventeenth century before 896 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:03,760 Speaker 3: the image? 897 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:05,960 Speaker 1: Like how did that work? Is that what we're going 898 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,319 Speaker 1: to go back to, you know? Or maybe when we're 899 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,600 Speaker 1: something yeah, completely different, because. 900 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, but maybe we're matter. I mean, remember, I don't 901 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,080 Speaker 3: know if you guys remember that, remember the Y two 902 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,040 Speaker 3: K frenzy of course, yeah, and like, oh, you know, 903 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,560 Speaker 3: the computers are gonna come. It was pretty exciting, to 904 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,760 Speaker 3: be honest, and it didn't happen. It was a nothing burger. 905 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,360 Speaker 3: And I wonder if truth will be a nothing burger, 906 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,919 Speaker 3: like people like, okay, truth is, you know, nothing's really 907 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,000 Speaker 3: really who cares? I wonder if that's how it's going 908 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:30,239 Speaker 3: to go. 909 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:36,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I actually in this job, not a car's podcast, 910 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:41,920 Speaker 1: but financial markets news, we experience them so often waiting 911 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,080 Speaker 1: for economic data points that we think are going to 912 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,799 Speaker 1: completely change the narrative and shift the FED sinking, and 913 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,319 Speaker 1: then they turn out not to it. All right. It's 914 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:50,840 Speaker 1: kind of interesting though. Yeah. 915 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,960 Speaker 3: Also I was this. I don't know if that's what 916 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,719 Speaker 3: this has to do with anything. But I was given 917 00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,320 Speaker 3: a demonstration of the Apple Vision pro thing. Have you 918 00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:58,040 Speaker 3: guys tried that? 919 00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,280 Speaker 1: I haven't, so have you, Hannah. 920 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:00,799 Speaker 2: Oh? 921 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,680 Speaker 3: So here's what was interesting to me. They let me 922 00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,360 Speaker 3: watch a couple like fifteen minute movies. One was in 923 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,440 Speaker 3: a submarine set in World War Two. And what was 924 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,440 Speaker 3: really amazing about it was that in the movies, like 925 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,880 Speaker 3: the people are right up to your face and I 926 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,719 Speaker 3: and it's and it was really weirdly, like emotionally uncomfortable 927 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,000 Speaker 3: because normally that kind of proximity is only like you know, 928 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,400 Speaker 3: your parents or girlfriend or boyfriend, whatever happens to be 929 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,280 Speaker 3: your baby, you know, like people aren't normally that close. 930 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,360 Speaker 3: But it was a stranger like inches from my face, 931 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,680 Speaker 3: And I wonder, like how that's all going to work 932 00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:32,560 Speaker 3: with AI and that kind of technology. 933 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:37,120 Speaker 1: Like I don't know why talking about that. Oh, we 934 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,960 Speaker 1: really drifted away from cars here. Yeah. 935 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's all related. It's all related, you know. 936 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,680 Speaker 2: I just think it's so fascinating to talk about these 937 00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,880 Speaker 2: types of things. And it's also great to hear that 938 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:55,160 Speaker 2: perhaps you are you might have some optimism in your work. 939 00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,360 Speaker 1: You mean, after decades of depressing work. 940 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,160 Speaker 2: Well, you know when you described that it's a show 941 00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,880 Speaker 2: and we're you know, about World War two, and you 942 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,480 Speaker 2: know you would think, oh, wow, that's really heavy. But 943 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,080 Speaker 2: also the way that you talk about it and what 944 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,960 Speaker 2: the message is, and the reason why I asked about 945 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,840 Speaker 2: the pessimism thing is because I don't think you're actually 946 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,080 Speaker 2: completely pessimistic about it. 947 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,799 Speaker 3: No, you're you're You're exactly right, Hannah. I'm I'm just 948 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,480 Speaker 3: interested in showing people how powerfully they can be moved 949 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:28,839 Speaker 3: by a complete lie, because I think that's I mean, 950 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,000 Speaker 3: I know that sounds weird to say it's not pessimistic, 951 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,040 Speaker 3: but I just think it's interesting because that's that will 952 00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,160 Speaker 3: be what we experience often going forwards. 953 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,080 Speaker 1: Well, you also have to experience the bad as well 954 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,920 Speaker 1: as the good. I was just we were just talking 955 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:47,480 Speaker 1: with somebody on the news desk about Phil's work confronting 956 00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,880 Speaker 1: death and confronting age and obesity and homelessness and stuff. 957 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,960 Speaker 1: Another very cheerful project. Well, and I read I think 958 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,719 Speaker 1: it was in the New York Times where they were 959 00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,280 Speaker 1: interviewing your wife and she was like, I was worried 960 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,719 Speaker 1: that Philip be sure depressed but actually changed him in 961 00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:03,279 Speaker 1: a good way, you know. 962 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,440 Speaker 3: Well, so that was there was a documentary that was 963 00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,600 Speaker 3: a documentary that was on the New York Time, done 964 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,080 Speaker 3: on the New York Times website. That project is called 965 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:16,040 Speaker 3: Maybe and the premise after my parents died quite suddenly, 966 00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,160 Speaker 3: and I became really obsessed with this idea of how 967 00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,200 Speaker 3: radically your life can change with with a phone call. 968 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,200 Speaker 3: You know, you don't, you know, I have no idea 969 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,319 Speaker 3: what's around the corner. So I became obsessed with this. 970 00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:29,480 Speaker 3: So then as one would, as any normal person would, Yes, 971 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:30,920 Speaker 3: I thought, you know what, I'm gonna spend the next 972 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,080 Speaker 3: three years envisioning all the terrible waste of my life 973 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,080 Speaker 3: is going to go based on the on the conversation 974 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,600 Speaker 3: with the fortune tellers and terror cord readers. And I 975 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,759 Speaker 3: worked a prosthetics expert to become these future versions of 976 00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,319 Speaker 3: my miserable self and. 977 00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:44,600 Speaker 1: Did that for three years. 978 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,920 Speaker 3: As anyone would. I mean, surely that's how I do it. 979 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:50,560 Speaker 3: And is that what you guys are up to right now? 980 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,560 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not actually bald. The makeup people do 981 00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:54,160 Speaker 3: this for me. 982 00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I don't know. I find. 983 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,920 Speaker 3: I guess a lot of work is quite confrontational of 984 00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,279 Speaker 3: the things I'm experiencing or the things I feel it 985 00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:09,479 Speaker 3: the world is experiencing for bad. Yes, I will say 986 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,960 Speaker 3: that often my work is it's not been described as 987 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:13,919 Speaker 3: the most cheeriout of stuff, which is weird because I'm 988 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:15,840 Speaker 3: generally a pretty cheery person. 989 00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,839 Speaker 1: Well, I guess you know you can draw parallel back 990 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,839 Speaker 1: to cars and say, like, you wouldn't have so much 991 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,080 Speaker 1: appreciation for the m one if you hadn't like bumped 992 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:27,040 Speaker 1: your head in the mangousta. 993 00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,760 Speaker 3: Right, that's true, so true. Yeah, thank you for bringing 994 00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,600 Speaker 3: it back. That was very definitely done, Matt. 995 00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,399 Speaker 1: Well, that was skillfully. Look at this guy, he's he's 996 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:36,160 Speaker 1: like he's a. 997 00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,120 Speaker 2: Chef, total pro, total pro. 998 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,879 Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, one of the things I wanted to talk about. So, 999 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,279 Speaker 1: I grew up in Ohio and I live out in 1000 00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,759 Speaker 1: west Chester, and yes, I've lived in cities before, but 1001 00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:50,920 Speaker 1: I've never really liked it because I can't have cars 1002 00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,760 Speaker 1: and motorcycles here, right, right, How does a car collector 1003 00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,000 Speaker 1: like you, and I guess Magnus and Hannah too, like, 1004 00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:01,040 Speaker 1: how do you adapt to city life and also like 1005 00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,240 Speaker 1: have cars because traffic sucks and parking is bad? 1006 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,479 Speaker 3: And well, okay, so I will say, weirdly, I really 1007 00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,720 Speaker 3: enjoyed driving a lot of my cars in New York City. 1008 00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,279 Speaker 3: So when I had a lot more cars, like when 1009 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,160 Speaker 3: I had the Lancier Delta or the Maserati. 1010 00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:15,919 Speaker 1: Uh, what was the name. 1011 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:20,200 Speaker 3: Shama, That's right, the Shama Shama those and then when 1012 00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,480 Speaker 3: I had the the a couple of other things, I 1013 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,200 Speaker 3: would keep them in the city and then I would 1014 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,000 Speaker 3: take well, I would just keep one of them in 1015 00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,040 Speaker 3: the city at the time, and then I would take 1016 00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,920 Speaker 3: I would take my daughter to school in them, because 1017 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,440 Speaker 3: I really enjoyed just using those cars for like a 1018 00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,080 Speaker 3: regular thing. And that's actually I met a couple of people. 1019 00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,160 Speaker 3: They'd be like, what is that car? Then we start talking, 1020 00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,120 Speaker 3: So you have to be super committed, Like basically I 1021 00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,040 Speaker 3: keep cars in some lock up, some mankey lock up 1022 00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,920 Speaker 3: in New Jersey, and then I have to drive to 1023 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,000 Speaker 3: New Jersey and get the car, and then you know, 1024 00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,080 Speaker 3: I would want to kill myself now I know. And 1025 00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,440 Speaker 3: that's kind of what's making killing my love for cars. 1026 00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,799 Speaker 3: Like I feel like you guys in California, you've got 1027 00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:58,719 Speaker 3: it easy, Like you can keep your cars where you live. 1028 00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:00,680 Speaker 3: You can get in the car and when like fifteen 1029 00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:04,200 Speaker 3: minutes on some genius road, whereas an hour after an 1030 00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,399 Speaker 3: hour's drive, I'm just stuck behind a minivan and I'm 1031 00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,799 Speaker 3: being radar gunned, you know what I mean. It's a 1032 00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:11,520 Speaker 3: different experience, just. 1033 00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,440 Speaker 1: Getting just getting experience on the Taconic. 1034 00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:19,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's much better for you, right, Hannah. 1035 00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:23,520 Speaker 2: It's just different. I I think that you can live 1036 00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,880 Speaker 2: in New York City and still experience cars in a 1037 00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,600 Speaker 2: really full way. You just have to. It just takes 1038 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,960 Speaker 2: a little bit more focus, and it's it is harder, 1039 00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:36,160 Speaker 2: but it's not impossible. I mean, you do it. It's 1040 00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,880 Speaker 2: it's harder. But also, you know, California isn't like some 1041 00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,000 Speaker 2: chagre La. We also have problems here car wise. 1042 00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:47,520 Speaker 1: Oh it's shangri La. But no, because Hannah doesn't I 1043 00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,840 Speaker 1: think it's different. You don't commute to work on the 1044 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:51,480 Speaker 1: Angela's Crest, right. 1045 00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,480 Speaker 2: No, No, I commute to work on Sunset Boulevard, which 1046 00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:56,040 Speaker 2: is also cool. 1047 00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,360 Speaker 3: Actually yeah, but road your roads are made of velvet, 1048 00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,160 Speaker 3: like the roads, and they like it's like the moon. 1049 00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,840 Speaker 2: Here, not not all the roads, not on all the 1050 00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,840 Speaker 2: roads we have our own. You know, traffic here is horrible. 1051 00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,719 Speaker 2: There are many things that are are also difficult. I 1052 00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,080 Speaker 2: think it's just a different it's a horse of a 1053 00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:16,560 Speaker 2: different color, but it's still a horse. 1054 00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,720 Speaker 1: Why do you have to be sensible like that, Hannah, 1055 00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:21,719 Speaker 1: she's so money and she doesn't even know I know 1056 00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:26,000 Speaker 1: it's true. Awesome, Well, dude, thank you so much for 1057 00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:27,719 Speaker 1: coming in. Thank you so much for having me. It's 1058 00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:29,640 Speaker 1: been a lot of fun. I've learned so much. 1059 00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:34,520 Speaker 3: One hundred what was it, two hundred and if I 1060 00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:36,920 Speaker 3: remembered that, thank you, honestly, guys, thank you so much 1061 00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:38,200 Speaker 3: having me. It's such a good love. 1062 00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:40,640 Speaker 1: Cool. All right, Well, that does it for this week's 1063 00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,360 Speaker 1: edition of Hot Pursuit. You can shoot us an email 1064 00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,200 Speaker 1: at hot Pursuit at Bloomberg dot. 1065 00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,040 Speaker 2: Net, and yeah, we'd love to hear from you, and 1066 00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:48,359 Speaker 2: we do. 1067 00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:52,720 Speaker 1: Respond, yes, like we did with Dan. I'm Matt Miller, 1068 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:53,560 Speaker 1: I'm Philip 1069 00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:57,000 Speaker 2: Toldona, and I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is Bloomberg.