WEBVTT - Ep. 585: A Masterclass on Patterning Bucks with Mark Drury 0:00:01.360 --> 0:00:05.240 Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:10.639 modern white tail hunter and now your host, Mark Kenyon. 0:00:11.360 --> 0:00:15.400 Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your host, 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:18.439 Mark Kenyon, and today in the show, I am joined 0:00:18.680 --> 0:00:22.560 by the mad scientist, the greatest of all times, some say, 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:27.800 Mark Drury, for an absolute masterclass on the art of 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:40.920 patterning bucks. All right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:44.160 brought to you by First Light. It's good to be here. 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:48.599 I'm very very excited. We have got a great episode 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:51.120 for you today and it is kicking off a series. 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:53.320 This has been the year of series. It's been a 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:56.480 fun way to organize our months as we've gone throughout 0:00:56.520 --> 0:01:00.440 the year. And after killing my buck last week in Chigan, 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:03.360 I spent some time thinking about what, you know, what 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:06.120 led to that success? What was I doing? What was 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:08.880 I geeking out about? And it was really patterning. I 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:11.640 was having so much fun looking at all the data, 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:13.880 thinking through what are these deer doing and why are 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:15.200 they doing it? And where are they going to do 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:17.040 it again? And when are they going to do it again? 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:20.120 And all that was part of what led me to 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:22.839 you know, hunting where I did and killing that buck 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:24.920 the way that I did, and I got to think 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:27.440 there's a whole lot more we could be discussing on 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:30.000 this idea of patterning bucks, and the month of October 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:34.800 is a great month to pattern a buck. So October 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:39.240 is the month of the pattern and we're going to 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:42.360 kick that off. If we don't include last week's which 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:45.480 was kind of like a soft kickoff today, the real 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:50.720 kickoff of this month is this masterclass with Mark Drewy. 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:53.640 You should all know Mark. He's been the podcast many times. 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:56.480 He's one of the co founders of Drewy Outdoors, host 0:01:56.520 --> 0:01:59.480 of many different deer hunting TV shows. You can find 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:02.480 him on the deer Cast app, the Dury Outdoors YouTube channel, 0:02:02.600 --> 0:02:05.880 all over the place, and he is an absolute wealth 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:08.440 of information. And there's two things that I think he 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:12.680 specializes in, maybe three, but one of them is really 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:18.639 dissecting and deep dive understanding how environmental and weather factors 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:22.200 impact dear movement. We've talked to him several times deep 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:24.919 on that topic. But another one that we haven't gone 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:28.160 quite deep on in the past is patterning deer. How 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:32.680 he kind of collects and analyzes data about specific deer 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:35.560 and then helps develop a pattern of what they're gonna 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:37.560 do and when they're gonna do it, so he can 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:40.040 be there to get a shot when they do. And 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:44.920 that is our topic today. We go into all facets 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:48.000 of patterning deer, everything from how he collects the data 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:52.480 to how he correlates different factors with his observations and pictures, 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:54.680 all the way to how he chooses when to actually 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:57.000 act on that stuff and try to take a shot 0:02:57.040 --> 0:02:59.720 at these deer. We talk early season patterning, we talked 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:03.240 learning during the rut, we talk late season, all sorts 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:06.519 of stuff in between. This is a banger episode. And 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:08.400 if you want to kill a deer this month in October, 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:11.000 shoot even if you want to kill in November or December, 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:13.240 you're gonna learn something today that will help you do it. 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:16.400 I loved it. I think you will too. I want 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:18.920 to give you a couple of quick updates before I 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:23.840 let you go. H one. The final episode of my 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:28.120 show Deer Country drops this week, so if you haven't yet, 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:31.079 headed over to the Meteor YouTube channel and check out. 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:35.200 Deer Country is the six episode series that documented my 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:38.080 hunts last year as I traveled the country, met with 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:41.840 different regional experts, sent spent one day learning from them 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:43.320 in their neck of the woods, and then I spent 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:45.400 the next three days to seeing if I could replicate 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:49.360 their style in their general area and pull it off myself. 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:53.200 This last episode was all about looking behind the curtain 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:56.200 of how you know folks in the Midwest managed for 0:03:56.240 --> 0:04:00.000 Big Deer and actually in this case run an outfitting situation. 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:03.400 Very interesting, very new kind of situation for me. I 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:04.840 would love it if you could check it out. So 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:07.160 that's number one. Number two. This is a big one 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:10.400 this week. If you're listening to this when we dropped 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:16.240 this episode, this episode is coming out October. If you're 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:19.919 listening on October two or the next couple of days afterwards, 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:22.240 I want you to know that this week is meat 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:25.279 Eaters white Tail Week. We got a whole lot of 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:28.640 exciting stuff happening when it comes to white tails at Metator. 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:33.840 One of them his first Lights white Tail Sale, all 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:38.920 of first Lights white Tail gear. Inspector is off off 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:41.160 any of that first Light white Tail stuff you might need, 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:44.680 the Catalyst, the Solitude, whatever. Check it out if you're 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:48.640 in need of some last minute stuff. Twenty off Number 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:52.799 two Phelps game Calls. It is the game call company 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:55.440 that's part of metator right. They've done duck calls, they've 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:59.040 done elk calls, they've done turkey calls. This week they're 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:03.200 launching year calls. We've got a bunch of new grunt 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:09.000 tubes Fond Distress call bleats uh I personally have really 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:13.520 been liking and using the Beta Pro and the Alpha 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:15.840 I believe in the names of these two grunt tubes. 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:18.359 I've gotten to test them so far this year. I 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:21.320 really like the sound. There's some really good things with them. 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:23.520 I'll get into more detail in these calls in the future, 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:25.880 but just a heads up. Phelps has got new grunt tubes. 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:28.080 If you need a grunt tube, this is worth checking out. 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:30.840 More to come later. If you have been thinking about 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:33.000 this kind of stuff, this is probably going to be 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:34.680 one of the best opportunities. You've got to do it 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:38.120 to get it for cheap, so heads up on those 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:40.360 type of things. There's several of the Deer's deals from 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:43.640 timber Ninja, there's discounts on our white tail logo where 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:47.520 there's uh she, some deals from f HF. There's a 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:49.800 lot going on. I don't want to drag us out anymore, 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:52.960 but Mediator Whitetail Week is going on to October six. 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:56.200 Heading over to the mediator dot com, go to the 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:58.320 Mediator store, go to first let dot com. You're gonna 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:01.320 find it all their good stuff. And that's it for me. 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:04.960 That's my only other update. We got a master class 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:07.880 to get too, folks. So enough of me jabbering on 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:12.800 h I love patterning bocks. I love this stuff. I 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:15.800 love nording out on the data on what these deer 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:18.080 we're doing and what they might do, on where I 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:20.599 should be to maybe take advantage of it. It's so 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:23.200 much fun. And Mark Jury is just one of my favorites. 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:28.200 I love this guy. I love his approach. Uh, I 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:30.320 have nothing else to say. Let's get to it. Mark 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:33.360 Jury on the podcast master Class Patterning Box one. Dud. 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:37.120 They go all right back with me. We have the 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:41.440 great privilege of having Mr Mark Drury on this show. Mark, 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:45.520 thank you for coming back on the show. It's my pleasure. 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:47.480 Thank you for having me. How are you doing this morning, Mark? 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:51.839 I'm really good. I'm really good. I fill the bucktagon 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:54.359 Michigan opening night. I went to Ohio and did some 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:57.520 scouting yesterday, so I'm I'm just basking in the glory 0:06:57.520 --> 0:07:00.880 of deer season, man, pick here you in the family. 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:03.679 I mean that that really put a smile on my face. 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:06.080 And I know your smile is probably still there from 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:08.720 that moment. That was pretty awesome, dude. It was it 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:11.560 was the first time that the whole family could be 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:15.080 together for that and um my, my the first track 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:16.800 job for my youngest So I'm a two year old, 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:19.680 so so yeah, super cool. And it was funny after 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:21.960 we recovered that. Buck, We're all sitting there together, and 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:25.640 my oldest son ever, he's four, he kind of turns 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:27.440 and looks at the family and he like shouts, like 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:32.840 really loud. He says, it's our first family Buck. I 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:36.640 loved it. I just loved you. That's a true statement, 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:41.520 those bucks. You know, the family allows you the time 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:45.240 and allows you to have the passion you allow right 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:47.680 that you have. So that's a cool thing when they 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:50.480 get who you are and embrace it. Uh, it's a 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:53.000 beautiful thing. When they don't, it's it's a rough, rough 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:56.720 time for most others. Because I've known guys like that 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:59.480 and I'm sure you do too, where the bouse or 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:02.600 the children and probably maybe get a little jealous over 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:04.880 the time and the selfishness that we all have when 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:07.000 it comes to this time of the year. So you're 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:10.400 blessed to have a family that is aware of your 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:14.520 passion and embraces it. Yeah, very very very true. Uh, 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:18.640 speaking of things worth celebrating, I saw that you had 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:22.240 a pretty exciting night last night too, and probably late night. 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:25.320 So I gotta thank you again for for hopping on 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:27.400 the phone here this morning after what seemed like a 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:31.280 pretty uh eventful night. Can you uh, can you fill 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:34.120 us in on what happened? Dude? It was such a 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:37.360 cool day yesterday. I did an interview in the Blind 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:41.440 and I had intel on a really nice dear that 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:44.560 I was in on last night, Wade, which is the 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:48.760 one you're referring to. I had intel on him, and 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:51.360 Terry had intel on a giant. So all three of 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:55.720 these deer like one plus type deer, and all three 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:58.120 of them were on them. And I did this interview 0:08:58.160 --> 0:08:59.920 and I told Harry, I said, I don't ever recall 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:03.280 all where we had intel and all three of us 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:06.120 are on giants the same night, And I said, I 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:08.320 feel really good. Somebody's gonna kill And I said, I 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:11.560 think it's gonna be weighed because that buck. We had 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:13.880 a self picture of his going to bed that morning 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:16.640 at eight oh nine something like that, and he was 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:18.880 he was heading south out of the field or a 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:22.600 south wind, and the access to that spot is very good. 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:25.080 In fact, I don't know if you recall the deer 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:27.280 that I killed Leicester December twentieth. We called him the 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:31.079 fork buck, and he grows a little over one ninety. Well, 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:33.439 the last time that blind was sat was that night 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:36.760 December twenty, and then last night and then Wade killed 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:40.840 eight out of it. So the hit was just a 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:44.720 little bit back but quartering away. So I got opinions 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:46.960 from tracker John and Bobby Coverts in the same two 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:49.360 guys that are in deer cast track, you know, giving 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:52.160 me advice in there on track jobs. And we waited 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:54.880 the appropriate time and then took up the trail. And 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:57.560 you're right. It was a late night. The deer travel 0:09:57.640 --> 0:10:00.000 about five or six hundred yards, but we found him 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:03.040 dead in this first bed on a really good blood trail. 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:07.280 It went stomach, liver, lung, and uh, the celebration began 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:09.480 and then all the of course, all the work begins. 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:13.640 So I went to bed about about two thirty and 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:17.160 I was I still saw three o'clock UM last night, 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:19.080 and then I woke up this morning about six thirty 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:22.199 the normal times, so it was it was a sharp night. 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:25.280 But you know what, that's what, that's what we do, 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:27.280 and we love it. We live for those nights, you know, 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:30.400 we live for those because no sleep nights. You know, 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:32.880 who cares about a night where you get seven or 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:35.360 eight hours? I'll take those two our rights every time. 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:37.839 That's what. That's the good problem to have right there. 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:39.840 You you want to have reason to miss sleep this 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:43.199 time of year, big time, big time. And it was 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:46.240 Wade's biggest deer. It was a main frame eight point 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:49.600 and it had ten kickers, so it had eight team 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:51.240 total score for points. It was a six and a 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:54.160 half year old deer. And the cool thing about this deer, 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:57.160 and it really really kind of blends into what we're 0:10:57.160 --> 0:10:59.880 talking about today. When this deer was four and a 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:04.720 half in two thousand and twenty, I had a few 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:08.720 pictures of him scattered throughout the fall on this tractor ground. 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:11.400 This farm is about four acres. It's right on a 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:16.200 major highway. I lose deer to the highway and um 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:20.440 I had a sprinkling of pictures, So I didn't consider 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:22.160 him like one of those dear you know how it is. 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:23.760 You could get him every day and you're like, hey, 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:27.360 it's a homeboy. And I never considered homeboy. Last year 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:31.120 and that year he was probably a hundred high thirties 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:33.079 type eight point, but he wore it well. He had 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:37.640 that white friend. Last year he was probably high forties, 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:41.600 low fifties. Had him all summer. I got one hard 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:46.120 hearted pick and he vanished, I mean gone. And all 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:48.240 year I kept waiting to get a picture of him, 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:51.800 had more cameras out, couldn't get him. And all of 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:55.000 a sudden, late December, he shows back up, and I 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:57.000 was like that son of a gun, he left the 0:11:57.160 --> 0:12:00.080 entire fall, at least presumably left. I didn't have I 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:02.640 didn't have photography of him. We hunted the farm a 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:05.640 good bit that was where the four buck lived lived, 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:08.840 and I never saw the buck, never encountered him. I 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:12.360 just assumed he was dead from the highway or another hunter. 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:14.959 There's a lot of pressure around that farm. And then 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:19.560 he shows back up late December. So this summer, when 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:23.160 he showed up in Velvet, we knew he was a giant, 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:25.120 you know, right away I guess the deer in the 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:28.480 one eighties somewhere and I'm like, oh, that's that's the 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:33.240 deer that disappeared last year. And uh, you know, this 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:35.880 year he shed his velvet. I got more pictures and 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:40.120 I'm like, he's sticking around. But in my heart, I 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:44.120 was like, this year is gonna again transferred to a 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:48.440 fall range in my opinion, which I I eventually talked 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:51.200 to a gentleman that that had the buck off all 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:55.240 and they passed him, uh because because he was an 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:57.680 eight point and they were on another different target deer. 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:00.760 That farm is probably a mile all mile and a 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:03.520 half east of mind. So my assumption was he was 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:07.040 again going to switch home ranges this year or fall ranges, 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:10.880 and that's why when he stuck around, we made an 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:16.160 extra effort to get on with cell cams and and 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:19.040 the food plots that he was using went back to 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:22.240 when he was for researched where he was the most, 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:25.400 and ended up killing him in one of those two 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:27.880 fields where he was at the most what he was 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:31.880 there during this period. So it really speaks to exactly 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:36.440 what we're talking about, how patentable they can be when 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:40.079 their home range overlays from one year to the next, 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:43.439 they really do a lot of the same things. So yeah, 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:45.319 so this is a this is a great example, and 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:47.600 maybe we can kind of dial in on a few 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:51.200 things with this story. You know, the focus I really 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:54.600 am hoping to dive into is just everything on how 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:56.920 you pattern these bucks mark And the first thing I'm 0:13:56.920 --> 0:13:59.600 wondering with with a buck like this or any deer, 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:03.520 when do you start the patterning process? Like when does 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:06.559 a buck show up on your radar and you say, okay, 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:09.120 this is what we have to you know, we're gonna 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:12.160 label him as X, or we're gonna create a folder, 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:14.280 or we're gonna you know, when does that start? Are 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:16.600 these two year old bucks a three year old bucks? Like? 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:22.040 When does the the file start getting developed? You know? 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:24.000 I have a lot of trail cameras, as you know, 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:30.120 and I run probably nine cells and another hundred and 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:35.720 fifty normal reconics cameras annually. Now that's across three states, 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:38.200 has crossed a lot of different farms and leases and 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:41.560 so and so forth. And I will answer that question 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:45.160 by this. I have a a file of photos that 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:49.560 starts in two thousand and seven that includes every racked 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:52.520 buck I've ever taken a photo of and every photo 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:55.000 of that rack buck from the time that they are 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:58.320 two and a half until they disappear or we kill 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:01.120 them or whatever. So I try to start putting a 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:04.280 pattern on them the moment they have a decent rap 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:06.080 and if it's a year and a half old, that 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:08.520 that shows real promise. You know, you know, I don't 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:11.440 keep spikes in four corns and six points and that stuff. 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:13.400 But if it's a year and a half, that shows 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:15.800 real promise. I keep files on them as well. So 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:19.640 you know, my my entire fall is just swallowed up 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:23.320 looking at photography. I don't know how many pictures I'm 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:25.600 at now. I mean, I used to always feel like 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:27.400 I was at a million, but I'll bet you i'm 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:30.560 one point five to two million photos annually. Of that, 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:35.120 I'll keep maybe a hunter thousand. And I've got those 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:38.800 all stored in in my computer and in hard drives 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:42.880 from OS seven through present day. Oh that's a lot 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:46.040 I've got. I've got like nine different directions we could 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:49.040 go with this, and I'm not sure where where I 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:55.880 want to. I'm like, I'm like the child that's addicted 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:58.880 to candy that goes to Willy Wonka's candy shop, you know, 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:01.080 and just sees every thing all around him that he 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:03.480 wants to that he wants to have. I wanted this 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:05.840 is like the thing I nerd out about the most too, 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:09.640 So I guess, I guess let's just jump into something 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:12.440 you just said right there, which was you have a 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:15.320 hundred thousand pictures that you might be keeping, and you 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:19.200 are keeping photos of bucks from the time they're noticeably 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:21.880 you know, unique, So maybe oftentimes that's two and a 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:24.800 half years old. When you get a deer like this 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:27.880 one that Wade was on, and you realize, okay, this 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:30.640 was a buck that you know, we noticed last year, 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:32.920 we passed him. Now this year he's back and he's 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:37.840 he's definitely want to shoot. How do you go about 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:40.560 sorting through everything you had, Like, how do you make 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:43.080 how do you find all the past pictures of his? 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:46.480 How do you have it organized so you can then see, Okay, 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:49.480 here's all the photos of this buck. Here's the way 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:52.480 I'm going to think through pictures from last year versus 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:57.560 this year. How are you able to find it, compile 0:16:57.600 --> 0:16:59.640 it in a way you can actually analyze and then 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:01.760 make the scissions from Given the fact that you have 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:05.080 just so much out there already to sort through. I 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:07.320 guess my big big questions, how do you sort through 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:12.160 and find the most important pieces within a haypile. It's 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:15.000 it's it is a haypop because it's a time consuming 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:18.720 deal to go through and and and find him again. 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:23.119 Because I have in Iowa, I probably have you know, 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:27.920 fifty different locations within reconics buckfew. And that's the program 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:30.080 I've used in so seven and it it has served 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:33.840 me quite well. Um, and you know, so I will 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:38.119 I would designate a farm, call it the the this farm, 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:41.240 for instance, call it the two seven, all right, because 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:44.239 this track was two fifty seven. I eventually I bought it, 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:48.040 uh and attached it to a one sixties that I owned, 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:50.520 So now it's four seventeen. But this particular pieces two 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:52.919 seven acres, So I have it in there as the 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:57.520 two seven. I have a long bottom file. I have 0:17:57.760 --> 0:18:00.200 to fifty seven ridge. I've got every different can camera 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:05.040 on that farm label accordingly. And then as I look 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:07.080 at the cards and as I look at the pictures, 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:11.119 I am shuffling them into all those different files so 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:14.760 I can go back, you know, to thirteen, fourteen, fifteen 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:19.399 whatever year it is, and and look at that particular 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:23.879 camera area and see how the how the deer deer moved, 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:26.919 and then I can start finding that buck once he 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:30.359 appeared within that farm and find out what days he 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:33.440 daylight and when he was there, so and so forth. 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:36.960 So I don't then peel him out and create a 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:40.040 following him. Sometimes I do, but that's not the file 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:43.520 I'm looking at. I'm looking at all the other aspects 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:48.400 that might affect a deer's movement during daylight, So I'm 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:52.840 looking for other deer um. I have notes within deer 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:57.560 cast our app as to what the uh crop rotation 0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:00.879 was on that field or in that area, not only 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:04.840 on my farm, but on the outlying farms. I have 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:09.240 files of the weather data from those years, so that 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:13.199 if I find a daylight picture, call it when he 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:15.439 was four and a half years old and two thousand 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:18.160 and twenty, and I find two or three in a row, 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:22.040 I can go back and research what was the weather like, 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:25.240 what was the food like, what was the mass crop like, 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:28.640 what was the rainfall like, and then start to put 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:32.240 together why he did what he did. So it's it's 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:35.200 data at a fairly high level, but that's how we're 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:38.080 killing them. And I do these deep guys. When we 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:40.480 get a target buck, I go backwards in my file. 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:44.359 So that's why it's important that I keep every single 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:48.240 rack Buck photo because you're building that buck's history and 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:51.919 that buck's life. And then when he if he stays 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:53.840 around and if he gets the five or six, and 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:57.120 if he becomes a target, which by and large most 0:19:57.160 --> 0:20:00.000 do not. They fall off the map at age three 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:03.000 h four eag. You know, through time, you lose a 0:20:03.000 --> 0:20:06.080 lot or they they're there here today, gone tomorrow. They're 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:08.320 on a walk about outside of their home range. You 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:11.159 get pictures and I keep them just in case they 0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:13.520 walk about again. But a deer that is a semi 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:16.919 homeboy like this, I had some pretty good data points 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:19.440 that I could go back on and and and figure 0:20:19.520 --> 0:20:22.320 him out. So and he really wasn't that hard to 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:26.359 figure out because he was so so confined. Two spots 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:33.920 that were in both years, uh we're bean fields. Actually 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:36.080 in two thousand and twenty, he who was on a 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:39.800 bean field that I did a green to green transfer, 0:20:39.880 --> 0:20:41.280 and then he did it again this year and that's 0:20:41.320 --> 0:20:43.960 where he killed him. The other field where Wade and 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:45.760 counteredy mat the end of the night, which is only 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:48.239 about two yards from where he killed him, is a 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:50.879 big ridge field that they love to go bed on 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:53.080 this north face on hot days. That's the other thing 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:56.239 I learned about the farm. And then this bug. And 0:20:56.359 --> 0:20:59.520 right below that there was a big giant bean field 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:02.199 and twenty and its beans again this year, so you know, 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:04.560 perhaps the crop rotation had something to do. And it 0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:06.840 was also a good acrn near in twenty and two. 0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:10.760 So all of those things come into play um when 0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:13.120 it when it comes time to kill a deer, So 0:21:13.440 --> 0:21:17.560 it's not about the deer always, it's also about the 0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:20.119 environment and that's one of the reasons we did the 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:23.080 things we did within deer cast. You know, we we've 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:26.159 always had the predictive bottle. We extended that to fourteen 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:28.600 days this year. But this year we came up with 0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:32.159 our mapping solutions. Well within that, we have the wind, 0:21:32.240 --> 0:21:35.560 and we have mass crop, and we have overall rain 0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:39.560 with our rain stations, all the things that people really 0:21:39.600 --> 0:21:42.160 need to focus in on, I think to help them 0:21:42.160 --> 0:21:44.800 take their game to the next level. So you know, 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:47.600 there's there's better mapping solutions out there. In my opinion, 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:49.960 I think there's absolute better mass. But I don't think 0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:52.679 there's any out there with better tools to help you 0:21:52.760 --> 0:21:54.760 kill a white tail than than what deer cast is. 0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:57.720 We stayed in our lane and focus directly on the 0:21:57.720 --> 0:22:00.439 white tail deer and the hunter and the armor that 0:22:00.480 --> 0:22:02.840 they lived in. Yeah, that's some pretty cool stuff. I 0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:06.040 love that rain gage feature. That is that one just 0:22:06.119 --> 0:22:08.240 jumped out to me as gosh, I would die to 0:22:08.280 --> 0:22:10.879 have that kind of information for over over the years 0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:14.880 of food plots and whatnot, exactly like it's it's so 0:22:14.920 --> 0:22:20.000 important to not only like our success. Like okay, basics. 0:22:20.320 --> 0:22:22.320 I put the sea in the ground, I don't get rain, 0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:24.200 it doesn't grow. I put the seed in the ground, 0:22:24.520 --> 0:22:27.680 I get two tents of inch of rain. The seed swells, 0:22:27.720 --> 0:22:30.960 it doesn't grow. I get a two inch rain. Holy cow, 0:22:31.040 --> 0:22:33.080 I've got the best looking food plot I've ever had. 0:22:33.119 --> 0:22:36.239 So that in it's the way we look at it, 0:22:36.480 --> 0:22:40.040 you know, on the surfaces, like that's important to my success. Well, 0:22:40.520 --> 0:22:44.879 what happened in April, May and June that this deer 0:22:45.160 --> 0:22:49.120 grew forty five inches versus the last two years when 0:22:49.119 --> 0:22:51.080 he was a one forty one fifty and all of 0:22:51.080 --> 0:22:55.120 a sudden this year he's you know, well, guess what, 0:22:55.160 --> 0:22:58.240 we had a wet spring. What happened five years ago? 0:22:58.720 --> 0:23:01.720 We had a wet spring, and when he was a fawn, 0:23:02.160 --> 0:23:03.639 he was off to a good start because we had 0:23:03.680 --> 0:23:07.400 a tremendous acorn crop that year. So rainfall is so 0:23:07.440 --> 0:23:09.879 important to the overall health of the herd. You know 0:23:09.920 --> 0:23:12.000 what happens when we don't get the right amount of 0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:14.159 rainfall here at the right times of the year, All 0:23:14.200 --> 0:23:16.399 of a sudden you have the h D and that 0:23:16.560 --> 0:23:20.400 affects overall daylight pictures and overall daylight movement. So I 0:23:20.440 --> 0:23:24.639 think outside of just the um, the trail photos that 0:23:24.720 --> 0:23:28.479 you keep, the notes you keep about your environment also 0:23:28.640 --> 0:23:33.160 help you put patterns together through the decades because as 0:23:33.320 --> 0:23:35.920 things occur. Now, Terry and I have been hunting long enough. 0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:38.640 I'm fifty five. I started hunting when I was fifteen. 0:23:39.200 --> 0:23:42.560 Terry sixty five. Well, we've seen many falls come and go. 0:23:43.080 --> 0:23:46.200 We've seen great acorn crops, we've seen terrible ones. We've 0:23:46.200 --> 0:23:50.280 seen crops fail, we've seen them succeed to the point 0:23:50.320 --> 0:23:53.040 that they're two hundred bushel corn and you know, seventy 0:23:53.040 --> 0:23:56.480 bushel beams. We've you know, we've seen it all before, 0:23:56.640 --> 0:23:59.879 so therefore when it repeats, we have a better understanding 0:24:00.119 --> 0:24:02.800 how to succeed. And and a lot of this is 0:24:02.840 --> 0:24:05.240 mental notes, but a lot of it is written notes 0:24:05.280 --> 0:24:07.760 and stuff that I've I've journaled through the years about 0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:11.720 what happened when the weather was like this, and that's 0:24:11.720 --> 0:24:13.880 how we came up with the algorithm for deercast. So 0:24:14.520 --> 0:24:17.200 it's just really paying attention to every detail. But it's 0:24:17.200 --> 0:24:18.960 gonna be a time stuck for you if you want 0:24:18.960 --> 0:24:21.280 to take it to that level, like it's it's almost 0:24:21.880 --> 0:24:24.840 seven throughout the entire fall to really hone in on 0:24:24.880 --> 0:24:27.840 all these different things I'm talking about, because the environment 0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:30.679 and the food sources are just as important to the 0:24:30.760 --> 0:24:34.760 deer ultimately his health and how he's going to move, 0:24:35.040 --> 0:24:37.760 you know, daylight versus nighttime that year, there's a lot 0:24:37.760 --> 0:24:40.879 of different factors that to plug in on. Yeah, you 0:24:41.000 --> 0:24:45.360 really gotta love it. I was for now, I don't 0:24:45.359 --> 0:24:47.479 know what's two nights before opening day here in Michigan. 0:24:47.520 --> 0:24:49.320 I was sitting at like eleven o'clock at night at 0:24:49.320 --> 0:24:52.159 my computer, had both monitors up, and I had a 0:24:52.200 --> 0:24:55.920 spreadsheet with all of my daylight trail camera photos of 0:24:56.000 --> 0:25:00.000 my main target buck and all the different weather factors, YadA, YadA, YadA, 0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:02.080 all the different data points there that I had a 0:25:02.080 --> 0:25:05.359 note document open where I had listed out everything this 0:25:05.480 --> 0:25:09.040 buck had done in within like a ten day window 0:25:09.080 --> 0:25:11.680 of opening day. And then I had everything he'd done 0:25:11.720 --> 0:25:14.359 this year so far for the last three weeks, and 0:25:14.359 --> 0:25:17.399 then I had notes on the two locations I was 0:25:17.440 --> 0:25:19.960 considering and what other deer had been in there last 0:25:20.040 --> 0:25:21.760 year and this year. And was looking at all this 0:25:21.800 --> 0:25:23.800 stuff and I'm having the time of my life. And 0:25:23.840 --> 0:25:25.920 I texted some of my buddies in my group chat 0:25:26.160 --> 0:25:28.240 and they're like, oh my god, that looks miserable. You're 0:25:28.240 --> 0:25:30.320 a nut job. And in my head, I thought, this 0:25:30.359 --> 0:25:32.960 is the best part of it. This is the best 0:25:33.480 --> 0:25:36.560 You really got to love that. I agree. I love data, 0:25:36.800 --> 0:25:39.760 you know, and I love stats, you know, and it's 0:25:39.800 --> 0:25:43.200 it's pretty cool because they are potable, but you've got 0:25:43.200 --> 0:25:45.879 to have the pieces of the pie to pattern them. Yeah. 0:25:46.160 --> 0:25:49.080 So you mentioned, you know, keeping track of the environmental 0:25:49.240 --> 0:25:52.240 factors and all the other things outside of just pictures. 0:25:52.760 --> 0:25:55.760 And this is one thing that I have struggled with 0:25:55.800 --> 0:25:58.000 actually over the years and not done a good enough 0:25:58.119 --> 0:26:00.359 job of that. Is like keeping track of all of 0:26:00.400 --> 0:26:06.280 those outside things. Um, I've I've started and stopped multiple 0:26:06.359 --> 0:26:08.600 hunting journals where I'm every year I'm like, okay, I'm 0:26:08.600 --> 0:26:10.280 gonna keep track of everything. And I do it for 0:26:10.320 --> 0:26:12.640 a few days or a few weeks, and then I 0:26:12.640 --> 0:26:16.000 lose I lose it. Uh what does that look like 0:26:16.080 --> 0:26:20.280 for you? Do you keep a consistent journal? Do you, 0:26:20.280 --> 0:26:22.200 you know, do track stuff just during the hunting season 0:26:22.320 --> 0:26:24.960 or are you writing something down online or in a 0:26:25.040 --> 0:26:28.000 book or you know, how do you personally do that? 0:26:29.280 --> 0:26:31.720 I keep a lot of notes within deercast because we 0:26:31.800 --> 0:26:34.600 allow for it, you know, within the different way points 0:26:34.640 --> 0:26:37.439 and whatnot. But a lot of it is honestly in 0:26:37.480 --> 0:26:39.320 my mind. Like I don't know. I think I was 0:26:39.800 --> 0:26:42.240 lucky that I have a mind that Like I think 0:26:42.240 --> 0:26:45.120 it's because I'm so hyper focused on killing them, Like 0:26:45.480 --> 0:26:47.879 I know how important it is, so therefore I remember it, 0:26:48.080 --> 0:26:52.040 if that makes sense. Like I can't remember. My wife 0:26:52.080 --> 0:26:54.040 can bring up ten subjects in a row and I'll 0:26:54.040 --> 0:26:58.040 have barely a memory of any of them. But when 0:26:58.040 --> 0:27:00.960 it comes but it comes to a d R the 0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:04.400 barametric pressure, the wind speed, the wind direction, I mean, 0:27:04.680 --> 0:27:06.320 there's not a deer I've ever killed that. I couldn't 0:27:06.320 --> 0:27:08.240 spit it out if you ask me, you know, I mean, 0:27:08.280 --> 0:27:11.440 I just I've been very lucky to have it. And again, 0:27:11.480 --> 0:27:14.359 I think that's probably a selfishness on my part because 0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:18.439 I'm so obsessed with them. Uh, you know, so a 0:27:18.480 --> 0:27:22.359 lot of it is just memory. Now, yeah, I can't, 0:27:22.920 --> 0:27:25.240 I can't say I have that same memory. So jealous 0:27:25.240 --> 0:27:27.080 of that, I've got to figure out a better way 0:27:27.119 --> 0:27:30.520 to lock the stuff down on paper. Um, we'll see 0:27:30.520 --> 0:27:31.760 if this is the year I can finally do a 0:27:31.800 --> 0:27:35.080 better job of it. Here. Here's something I'm curious about, 0:27:36.720 --> 0:27:40.280 historical weather data. Right, that's something that, of course you've 0:27:40.320 --> 0:27:43.120 mentioned as being something you'd like to take a look 0:27:43.160 --> 0:27:45.640 at and see, you know, how it correlates with daylight 0:27:45.880 --> 0:27:49.040 pictures in the past or daylight observations. This is a 0:27:49.040 --> 0:27:51.320 two part question, and one part maybe you don't want 0:27:51.320 --> 0:27:52.720 to answer, and if you don't want to answer, you 0:27:52.720 --> 0:27:55.679 don't need to. Second part you can tell me. But 0:27:55.920 --> 0:28:00.600 part A is can we get historical other data in 0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:03.159 deer cast someday? Because I would love it if I 0:28:03.160 --> 0:28:06.040 could see that right in my dear cast app firsts 0:28:06.080 --> 0:28:08.040 having to go to a different website. That's part day, 0:28:08.040 --> 0:28:10.679 and then part two is where do you personally go 0:28:10.840 --> 0:28:15.160 to get your historical weather data. I've created my own okay, 0:28:15.200 --> 0:28:20.080 so two answers. Deer Cast looks at the future and 0:28:20.160 --> 0:28:24.080 the past. Okay, So on a on a daily basis, 0:28:24.359 --> 0:28:27.320 if it's giving you a prediction, it's looking backwards and 0:28:27.359 --> 0:28:31.199 it's looking forward. So say you wanted to rewind the 0:28:31.240 --> 0:28:36.000 clock five years, it would have to look backwards several 0:28:36.080 --> 0:28:41.040 days and look forward several days to recreate the prediction 0:28:41.160 --> 0:28:44.640 for that day. That was an algorithm and the cost 0:28:44.680 --> 0:28:47.680 of an API that was cost prohibitive by not by 0:28:47.720 --> 0:28:51.200 a little, but by a lot, like put puts got 0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:53.400 a business, you know, when we asked the question, can 0:28:53.440 --> 0:28:55.800 we do this because we have an ap I like 0:28:56.000 --> 0:28:59.720 weather is for the most part, a predictive model in 0:28:59.760 --> 0:29:03.280 an itself. So the API comes in, we pipe that 0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:06.560 into our algorithm and it all works right because it's 0:29:06.560 --> 0:29:09.200 all recent, it's all right there in their computers to 0:29:09.320 --> 0:29:12.720 go back and dig it up. Was they're They're like, well, 0:29:12.720 --> 0:29:14.880 no one's ever asked for that before, you know, and 0:29:14.880 --> 0:29:17.920 and other words, it was impossible and the quote was 0:29:18.240 --> 0:29:21.520 cost prohibitive. So I do it myself. I screenshot my 0:29:21.560 --> 0:29:23.320 dear cast every day and I keep a file and 0:29:23.360 --> 0:29:25.520 I have since it came out, so I've got every 0:29:25.600 --> 0:29:28.840 day's weather data for where I hunt since the start 0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:34.040 of it. So that's the best way to do it, Okay, Well, 0:29:34.080 --> 0:29:38.200 I uh, because then it's is all there. If you 0:29:38.200 --> 0:29:40.480 look at our screen, everything you want to know is 0:29:40.520 --> 0:29:44.320 all on on that hourly forecast. Put it at you know, noon, 0:29:44.440 --> 0:29:47.680 or put it at eight am or six pm, and 0:29:47.760 --> 0:29:50.600 screenshot it, and you've got every single readout you want. 0:29:51.000 --> 0:29:55.120 But going back and doing it is just absolutely cost prohibitive. Yeah, 0:29:55.160 --> 0:29:58.840 I can see that. Uh, well, I can dream, I guess, 0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:04.280 and it's cost prohibitive because of how many days equal 0:30:04.360 --> 0:30:07.200 into the prediction for that moment. Right, We're giving you 0:30:07.400 --> 0:30:10.320 an hour by our forecast, but in reality, it's looking 0:30:10.320 --> 0:30:12.760 forward and looking backwards to give you that hour, and 0:30:12.880 --> 0:30:14.840 then if you wanted to rewind the clock five years, 0:30:14.840 --> 0:30:18.280 it's it's almost it's so tangled up you can't do it. Yeah, 0:30:18.360 --> 0:30:22.960 that's a doozy. Well back to back to pictures then, Um, 0:30:23.120 --> 0:30:25.240 one of the things I don't want to spend a 0:30:25.240 --> 0:30:26.800 ton of time on, but I do want to just 0:30:27.080 --> 0:30:30.360 run by you real quick. We've had previous conversations over 0:30:30.360 --> 0:30:32.719 the years about how you use trail cameras, how you 0:30:32.760 --> 0:30:36.200 place them, Um, you know, when you're checking them, when 0:30:36.200 --> 0:30:38.840 they're when you're moving them, stuff like that. But when 0:30:38.840 --> 0:30:41.560 it comes specifically to patterning bucks, like not just getting 0:30:41.560 --> 0:30:44.360 a basic inventory in the summer, uh, not just trying 0:30:44.400 --> 0:30:47.080 to get you know, what's around, but when you are 0:30:47.160 --> 0:30:50.400 actively trying to pattern a specific buck like this deer 0:30:51.000 --> 0:30:53.200 for example, that way just killed when he showed back 0:30:53.280 --> 0:30:54.960 up and you realized, oh wow, we've got a chance 0:30:55.000 --> 0:30:56.800 of this dear, but we gotta figure him out asap 0:30:57.160 --> 0:31:02.600 before he disappears. How does your camera placement change, if 0:31:02.640 --> 0:31:04.720 at all, in that kind of situation when you're like, 0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:07.760 we need to learn this deer and put together a pattern. Now, 0:31:08.560 --> 0:31:10.479 just do things change or do you always have your 0:31:10.480 --> 0:31:12.400 cameras in the same places and they just stay there. 0:31:13.360 --> 0:31:16.520 They are historical cameras everywhere that stay there, that are 0:31:16.600 --> 0:31:20.280 on great travel routes or hubscrapes or places. You know, 0:31:20.320 --> 0:31:23.040 when you watch a farm or watch a field and 0:31:23.040 --> 0:31:25.480 you're hunting it, you go, I need a camera right there, 0:31:25.560 --> 0:31:27.600 and then it always produces for you you know, and 0:31:27.920 --> 0:31:31.000 you watch a certain food plot and that's got the movement. 0:31:31.000 --> 0:31:33.600 The rest of the plot's got twenty right, so you know, 0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:36.560 but then when we find a target, then we might 0:31:36.640 --> 0:31:42.120 go from three broad looking cameras in that area to ten. 0:31:42.520 --> 0:31:45.480 I call it the blitz creeg with with cams. So 0:31:45.920 --> 0:31:48.239 you know you're going you're trying to win the war, right, 0:31:48.320 --> 0:31:51.040 everybody knows from history that the term blitz grieg. Well, 0:31:51.040 --> 0:31:52.840 you're going there. You gotta be wise about it. You 0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:55.000 can't run him out of there. Got to be smart 0:31:55.160 --> 0:31:57.480 and get as much intel as you can. And you know, 0:31:58.160 --> 0:32:00.400 you know, six seven years ago, before the advent of 0:32:00.440 --> 0:32:02.719 the cell cams, you didn't have real time information. Now 0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:08.120 you do. So my my methods have changed from strictly 0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:11.680 looking at historical patterns and trying to predict the future 0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:16.680 to that coupled with real time in the now um 0:32:16.880 --> 0:32:20.040 information through cell cams, and it's uh. I can tell 0:32:20.080 --> 0:32:23.560 you those subcams are are a deadly deadly tool. When 0:32:23.680 --> 0:32:27.480 coupled with historical infusion from a file that you've you've 0:32:27.560 --> 0:32:29.840 kept on a deer, it is a one to punch 0:32:29.920 --> 0:32:34.160 that is unbeatable for mature bucks, particularly particularly in phases 0:32:34.240 --> 0:32:36.720 like this one on on Greener Pastors were in phase 0:32:36.800 --> 0:32:39.760 two from our show start team, and they're just not 0:32:39.880 --> 0:32:41.640 moving very far. If you put a buck to bed 0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:45.640 and you've got a decent deercast prediction that afternoon, chances 0:32:45.640 --> 0:32:48.320 are you going to see when you do this blitz 0:32:48.360 --> 0:32:51.480 creek and you go and you increase the concentration of cameras. 0:32:53.000 --> 0:32:55.000 What are what are the kinds of places you're going 0:32:55.040 --> 0:32:57.760 to place those extra cameras, and how are you doing 0:32:57.880 --> 0:33:01.360 it so that you don't mess up you know, your 0:33:01.400 --> 0:33:03.720 chances of still seeing him. What's what's the best way 0:33:03.760 --> 0:33:05.560 to do that in a low impact way where you 0:33:05.680 --> 0:33:10.000 get enough information that's relevant but not so much so 0:33:10.240 --> 0:33:14.840 that you never see him again. It changes throughout the year. 0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:17.280 This time of the year, they're not moving very far 0:33:17.400 --> 0:33:20.320 because they're on food source. They haven't started expanding their 0:33:20.360 --> 0:33:23.680 home range hardly at all. And I'm on entry and 0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:25.520 exit trails in and around a food source that I'm 0:33:25.560 --> 0:33:28.120 trying to take the deer, or I'm on an acorn 0:33:28.200 --> 0:33:31.280 flat that has a bunch of you know, acorns falling, 0:33:31.920 --> 0:33:33.800 and I'm trying to figure out where he's coming from, 0:33:33.840 --> 0:33:36.160 where he's been, and I probably have an idea based 0:33:36.240 --> 0:33:39.720 on historical you know, hunting of the farm, and I'm 0:33:39.880 --> 0:33:42.360 I'm trying to kill him in and around that food 0:33:42.440 --> 0:33:46.200 source of an afternoon, unless by chance I get a 0:33:46.240 --> 0:33:48.200 strong north wind, then I'll try him of the morning. 0:33:48.560 --> 0:33:51.360 First north is always gold, and we've talked about that 0:33:51.440 --> 0:33:54.280 before on your podcast. I love the first morning the 0:33:54.320 --> 0:33:56.160 winds out of the north Tomorrow morning? Is that for 0:33:56.320 --> 0:33:59.080 us here? So, um, if we don't have too many 0:33:59.120 --> 0:34:01.520 cocktails when Matt us here tonight, we might have to mark. 0:34:01.640 --> 0:34:04.680 If not that we'll be out there tomorrow afternoon. But um, 0:34:05.280 --> 0:34:08.160 I love that. Now that will change as you get 0:34:08.239 --> 0:34:11.640 into late October. Then I'm I'm on scrapes, man. I've 0:34:11.680 --> 0:34:15.440 got every scrape covered that I can find in what 0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:19.240 I anticipate to be his home core. And then suddenly, 0:34:19.320 --> 0:34:22.480 instead of the blitz Creek being very concentrated on a 0:34:22.560 --> 0:34:27.080 small area, it expands as I anticipate the home range 0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:29.920 is going to expand. In other words, Wade's deer was 0:34:30.000 --> 0:34:33.840 fairly fairly consistent two hundred yards apart two major fields. 0:34:34.120 --> 0:34:36.280 He was daylighting on both of them in the evenings. 0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:38.319 Very rare for a six and af year old deer 0:34:38.760 --> 0:34:42.719 to do. But you get into late October, all of 0:34:42.760 --> 0:34:45.520 a sudden, home range is gonna expand, and you've got 0:34:45.640 --> 0:34:47.520 to have a lot more scrapes covered to figure out 0:34:47.560 --> 0:34:49.680 where he's gonna because that's what he's hitting at that time. 0:34:50.080 --> 0:34:53.640 Right now, he's hitting food source. Late October, early November, 0:34:53.760 --> 0:34:57.160 he's hitting scrapes. Get back through the rut, then I'm 0:34:57.239 --> 0:34:59.920 on just where the heck is he gonna be at 0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:02.560 a lot of randomness, so I'm on trails oftentimes then 0:35:03.000 --> 0:35:05.960 and then late November I'm back into scrapes and food sources. 0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:08.960 So you know, as we transition through the season, these 0:35:09.040 --> 0:35:11.600 light switch events that we talked about in thirteen and 0:35:11.840 --> 0:35:14.839 in Deer Season twenty two, then you know you can 0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:17.680 you can adjust your tactics and all of this is 0:35:17.760 --> 0:35:19.839 laid out in Deercast, like we talked, we break these 0:35:19.880 --> 0:35:23.200 phases down, um, you know, as as deeply as we 0:35:23.320 --> 0:35:25.920 can to help people understand what the deer doing at 0:35:25.960 --> 0:35:28.080 different times of the year. Well, if you adjust your 0:35:28.120 --> 0:35:31.400 camera strategy to what they're doing, you're gonna be so 0:35:31.560 --> 0:35:33.719 much more effective. If you find a target buck, put 0:35:33.719 --> 0:35:35.839 a lot of cameras on him, you're gonna up your 0:35:35.880 --> 0:35:41.200 eyes for killing definitely seeing possibly killing him. Where does 0:35:41.600 --> 0:35:46.399 where does glassing or observation fit into your data kind 0:35:46.440 --> 0:35:49.520 of mix these days? Is that something you do much 0:35:49.600 --> 0:35:52.000 still or with the advent of sell Kam's, do not 0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:54.320 need to do that as much? I still do a 0:35:54.400 --> 0:35:57.680 lot of it, a lot because a camera only shows 0:35:57.719 --> 0:36:00.879 you one little spot right like they tell you a lot. 0:36:01.440 --> 0:36:04.359 But they also don't tell you a lot if you will. 0:36:04.880 --> 0:36:11.239 And that gets especially true in terrain and country that 0:36:11.600 --> 0:36:15.760 is more difficult to anticipate and interpret. In other words, 0:36:15.880 --> 0:36:19.680 like big open country throws hunters for a curve because 0:36:20.360 --> 0:36:24.080 there they can be anywhere everywhere. You know tall grass, 0:36:24.200 --> 0:36:28.040 big swampy areas that's all the same, all flat river bottoms, 0:36:28.400 --> 0:36:32.919 big crp expanses, big tillable, those types of examples where 0:36:32.960 --> 0:36:38.040 the it's really really big cover, they oftentimes are much 0:36:38.080 --> 0:36:41.840 more random within and they're far much more difficult to pattern. 0:36:42.200 --> 0:36:46.280 Contrast that with where we were last night, brushy, brushy, 0:36:47.000 --> 0:36:50.279 heavy security cover, food right next to it. He's not 0:36:50.360 --> 0:36:52.920 moving very far, he's got bet, he's got food, he's 0:36:52.920 --> 0:36:56.800 got water. When that gets big, it's much more difficult 0:36:56.840 --> 0:37:00.920 to pattern them. So I spread out and I watched that. Oftentimes, 0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:04.440 as opposed to depend on cell cams, sometimes cell cams 0:37:04.840 --> 0:37:08.800 or cameras in general will almost lock you into a 0:37:09.080 --> 0:37:11.359 pattern and handcuff you or put you in a straight 0:37:11.440 --> 0:37:13.920 jacket to where you can't make a good decision. And 0:37:14.040 --> 0:37:16.399 sometimes you've got to get back out there, put eyes 0:37:16.400 --> 0:37:18.200 on the ground, boots on the ground, and figured out 0:37:18.280 --> 0:37:20.279 that way. So it really depends on the environment that 0:37:20.320 --> 0:37:23.200 I'm dealing with. Yeah, and like when would you do 0:37:23.360 --> 0:37:25.880 that kind of thing? Is that like, let's say you're 0:37:25.880 --> 0:37:28.600 an environment or situation where you realize that I need 0:37:28.680 --> 0:37:30.839 this additional intel, I need to go out and watch. 0:37:31.640 --> 0:37:33.239 Are you just doing that on the nights and the 0:37:33.280 --> 0:37:35.800 conditions aren't right to actually go in for a strike 0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:37.400 and for a kill And you're like, well, there's not 0:37:37.520 --> 0:37:39.560 a great opportunity to kill something right now, so I'm 0:37:39.600 --> 0:37:41.960 going to sit back and watch. Or are you doing 0:37:42.080 --> 0:37:44.640 this every morning in October when you're not hunting? Or 0:37:45.000 --> 0:37:48.480 what does that actually look like? You hit two nails 0:37:48.520 --> 0:37:50.920 on the head. Both of those examples are exactly when 0:37:50.960 --> 0:37:54.640 I do it, and then I do it when the 0:37:55.360 --> 0:37:58.879 camera reports and the cell cams have me scratching my head. 0:37:59.360 --> 0:38:02.839 In other words, is like this buck was here last year, 0:38:03.200 --> 0:38:06.120 but I'm not getting him this year. Did he switch 0:38:06.239 --> 0:38:08.760 to one part of the field, you know as buck's age. 0:38:08.840 --> 0:38:11.400 That's another part of the equation and another part of 0:38:11.920 --> 0:38:14.960 of pattering a deer. What they do at age three 0:38:15.520 --> 0:38:18.040 varies differently from four or five, and then when they 0:38:18.080 --> 0:38:21.520 get to six or seven, suddenly things start to shrink. 0:38:21.560 --> 0:38:24.120 If you took a circle, and it would be very 0:38:24.239 --> 0:38:27.239 large at age three, it's slowly but truly shrinks. As 0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:29.239 a deer age is you get into six, seven or eight, 0:38:29.560 --> 0:38:31.279 if you could find where he's at, you could kill 0:38:31.320 --> 0:38:33.880 it because he's not moving very far. They get slow. 0:38:33.960 --> 0:38:36.759 Their metabolism slows way down. They get almost a little 0:38:36.760 --> 0:38:40.640 bit lazy. I oftentimes use an analogy of an older 0:38:40.760 --> 0:38:43.840 pet and older dog as you watch them age through life. 0:38:44.160 --> 0:38:47.040 Take a cat, you know that's you know, age one 0:38:47.160 --> 0:38:49.920 or two. That thing's bouncing off the walls half today. 0:38:50.000 --> 0:38:53.000 You know, by this time that's ten or twelve, it's 0:38:53.120 --> 0:38:55.920 laying around, sleeping all day. And dogs are are very 0:38:56.000 --> 0:38:59.399 much the same. Puppy versus you know a dog that's ten, 0:38:59.440 --> 0:39:02.759 eleven or two, well and deer are this exact same way, 0:39:03.160 --> 0:39:05.520 So you have to always keep in mind what age 0:39:05.600 --> 0:39:08.279 is he and water His mannerism is gonna be like, 0:39:08.520 --> 0:39:10.560 and am I off of him just a little bit? 0:39:11.120 --> 0:39:13.759 Is he here but my cameras aren't seeing him? I 0:39:13.880 --> 0:39:17.000 need to go watch from afar if it's possible, and 0:39:17.160 --> 0:39:19.200 perhaps try to find him, and that that has worked 0:39:19.400 --> 0:39:22.480 many times for me. So it's it really comes down 0:39:22.560 --> 0:39:25.200 to the environment and the age of the deer now 0:39:25.400 --> 0:39:29.400 and and the weather right like we're in this terrible 0:39:29.440 --> 0:39:32.120 pattern two years in a row of these every day 0:39:32.200 --> 0:39:34.680 it's ten degrees above normal temperatures. I don't know if 0:39:34.680 --> 0:39:36.440 it's like that three oup in Michigan, but it has 0:39:36.520 --> 0:39:39.560 been for us here. And it's like the Law Ninia 0:39:39.640 --> 0:39:42.040 force that's out in the Pacific has set a new 0:39:42.160 --> 0:39:45.080 normal to the to the deer movement. What used to 0:39:45.120 --> 0:39:47.560 be a poor on deer cast is now really and 0:39:47.680 --> 0:39:51.160 okay because the deer have adjusted to these warmer temperatures. 0:39:51.280 --> 0:39:53.439 That's gonna switch in March or April when it turns 0:39:53.480 --> 0:39:56.160 over to to an l Nno. But the Law Union 0:39:56.239 --> 0:39:58.920 has really smoked us here in the Midwest, both in 0:39:59.160 --> 0:40:02.480 overall rainfall an overall average temperature the last couple of seasons. 0:40:02.520 --> 0:40:05.520 And we've gone through these before, um you know, in 0:40:05.680 --> 0:40:07.480 years past, so we kind of know how to adjust 0:40:07.480 --> 0:40:09.319 to it. I don't have you been above norm there 0:40:09.600 --> 0:40:12.520 where you live. It's been pretty warm throughout the summer. Yeah, 0:40:12.880 --> 0:40:15.000 we're in a little bit of a better place the 0:40:15.120 --> 0:40:19.120 last like seven eight, nine, ten days. It's finally can't 0:40:19.160 --> 0:40:23.799 drop down. Finally got two normal, right exactly, So now 0:40:24.239 --> 0:40:26.360 normal is the new coal front. It hasn't get for 0:40:26.400 --> 0:40:29.600 the last seasons. It's it's crazy. And that's all through 0:40:29.680 --> 0:40:32.160 that Londini's effect on us out there in the Pacific. 0:40:32.239 --> 0:40:37.320 It's it has a huge effect on overall environment rainfall 0:40:37.600 --> 0:40:55.719 and thus, dear moment. That's interesting, this this situation in 0:40:55.800 --> 0:40:58.160 which we realize that we need to get more intel 0:40:58.280 --> 0:41:01.400 and we need to go out and actually watch. The 0:41:01.480 --> 0:41:04.840 perfect situation, I think is is where you can drive 0:41:05.239 --> 0:41:07.440 to somewhere and sit in your truck and glass from 0:41:07.440 --> 0:41:10.560 a hill, let's say, a super safe, great view. You've 0:41:10.600 --> 0:41:12.920 got an opening you can looking down down into. That 0:41:13.080 --> 0:41:16.200 sounds easy, like that's an easy option. But what about 0:41:16.239 --> 0:41:19.759 a situation where you don't have that hill that you 0:41:19.840 --> 0:41:22.399 can safely get up on top of and you if 0:41:22.440 --> 0:41:24.279 you wanted to learn more about what this deer is 0:41:24.600 --> 0:41:27.480 is doing, you would have to get in there and 0:41:27.560 --> 0:41:29.759 climb up into a tree or something. Do you ever 0:41:29.920 --> 0:41:32.320 do that kind of thing anymore, like an actual observation 0:41:32.480 --> 0:41:35.880 sit And if so, how do you do that in 0:41:35.920 --> 0:41:37.759 a way that you feel confident you can get the 0:41:37.840 --> 0:41:41.120 intel you need without damaging things? Is that you know? 0:41:41.400 --> 0:41:44.920 What's your thoughts on that? I actually absolutely do it, 0:41:45.320 --> 0:41:48.719 and um I did it on the nine of October two. 0:41:48.920 --> 0:41:51.680 I was sharing that story with you before we started recording. 0:41:51.880 --> 0:41:53.680 There was a buck that I had pictures of them 0:41:53.719 --> 0:41:57.120 in brand new spot, and you know, I went in there. 0:41:57.239 --> 0:42:00.040 We have a blind kind of set up where we 0:42:00.200 --> 0:42:02.480 think we can kill him, but we're also like, we're 0:42:02.560 --> 0:42:04.200 probably gonna have to move this or go to a 0:42:04.239 --> 0:42:06.680 different tree or whatever, so let's go have to sit 0:42:06.760 --> 0:42:08.279 there and see if we see him. And what do 0:42:08.360 --> 0:42:10.120 you know, he walks in twenty five yards and I 0:42:10.560 --> 0:42:12.440 goofed the whole situation up and I don't even get 0:42:12.480 --> 0:42:14.440 my bow draw because I was in a bad position. 0:42:14.560 --> 0:42:16.239 I kind of had my head out of the game, 0:42:16.320 --> 0:42:19.160 and I got very excited, very quickly, and I really 0:42:19.480 --> 0:42:22.800 really botched it up and and just screwed up on 0:42:23.160 --> 0:42:25.480 a really big deer. But I was doing it that night. 0:42:25.719 --> 0:42:28.840 So I do a lot of observation sits. And I 0:42:28.960 --> 0:42:31.920 think one of those situations would be, you know, like 0:42:32.160 --> 0:42:34.960 say it's a big timber track and it's just lots 0:42:35.000 --> 0:42:36.680 of timber, and you know the deer in there, but 0:42:37.160 --> 0:42:40.160 you know outside of camera photos, or you're not gonna 0:42:40.160 --> 0:42:42.480 observe that timber because you can't see him there. You've 0:42:42.560 --> 0:42:45.120 just got to be very wise about the days you'll 0:42:45.160 --> 0:42:47.480 go in there and where you're gonna sit and how 0:42:47.520 --> 0:42:51.239 you're gonna set up. Like I love. I love high 0:42:51.320 --> 0:42:54.920 pressure days thirty point give me thirty point one and rising, 0:42:55.360 --> 0:42:58.120 and I feel much more confident going into a timber 0:42:58.320 --> 0:43:03.320 and affecting less then on a point eight with cloud 0:43:03.440 --> 0:43:06.640 cover and swirly winds, where you're gonna affect a lot 0:43:06.719 --> 0:43:09.879 of stuff. So be wise about the weather conditions when 0:43:09.920 --> 0:43:12.760 you choose to go do it, and be wise about 0:43:12.800 --> 0:43:16.480 your access and then affect less. I don't walk and 0:43:16.600 --> 0:43:20.160 scout a tremendous a lot tremendous amount during the season. 0:43:20.520 --> 0:43:22.520 I do all of that in the off season, I 0:43:22.640 --> 0:43:25.600 walk the you know, leather off the bottom of the 0:43:25.680 --> 0:43:29.760 shoes shed hunting and the off season, but come season, 0:43:30.160 --> 0:43:33.840 I am really cautious about getting in there and scouting 0:43:34.040 --> 0:43:37.240 an area unless the weather is just absolutely pristine and perfect, 0:43:37.280 --> 0:43:41.160 because I think the worst thing you can do as 0:43:41.200 --> 0:43:44.200 a hunter is bounce a deer out of where you're 0:43:44.200 --> 0:43:46.520 trying to kill him. I mean, unless you just don't care, 0:43:46.719 --> 0:43:48.960 you know, unless you're you know, like you know, I'm 0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:50.840 not in it trying to pattern the bucket. I'm in 0:43:50.920 --> 0:43:53.160 it to go and enjoy myself, and I want to 0:43:53.239 --> 0:43:55.680 go cover some ground on this track of ground today 0:43:55.719 --> 0:43:57.879 and see what the deer sign looks like and jump 0:43:57.960 --> 0:44:00.600 into tree saddle and see if I kill one that's okay. 0:44:01.000 --> 0:44:02.880 The great thing about deer hunting, there's a lot of 0:44:02.960 --> 0:44:06.360 different techniques where you can kill them. My personal technique 0:44:06.400 --> 0:44:10.719 and my personal desire is to never affect the deer 0:44:10.840 --> 0:44:12.720 and try not to let them know they're being haunted. 0:44:12.800 --> 0:44:15.040 That's because that's worked for me in the past. So 0:44:15.160 --> 0:44:18.239 therefore I'm very cautious about those days that I'll go 0:44:18.440 --> 0:44:21.399 do that that technique where I'm actually trying to gain 0:44:21.480 --> 0:44:24.600 intel by going into their world, if you will. Yeah, 0:44:25.320 --> 0:44:29.320 So when you're doing an observation sit or you're glassing, 0:44:30.600 --> 0:44:35.800 what specifically, And I'm sure the answer is everything, but 0:44:36.320 --> 0:44:38.760 I guess I'm looking for a little bit more nuanced 0:44:38.760 --> 0:44:41.040 as far as what specifically are you looking for? Like 0:44:41.160 --> 0:44:43.680 what are the things like you sit, you see the 0:44:43.719 --> 0:44:47.080 buck pop out in your mind? What are the key 0:44:47.239 --> 0:44:51.480 data points that you need to preserve from that observation? Uh? 0:44:51.880 --> 0:44:53.880 And how do you then do that? So you you 0:44:54.080 --> 0:44:56.560 you see the buck, let's say, do you go home? 0:44:56.680 --> 0:44:58.160 Do you go pull up deer cast and put in 0:44:58.200 --> 0:44:59.759 the notes like Okay, I saw him and he came 0:44:59.800 --> 0:45:01.759 from here and he did X and and all that, 0:45:02.000 --> 0:45:05.160 or how do you take advantage of a sighting and 0:45:06.040 --> 0:45:08.279 squeeze that for as much as possible? Maybe That's what 0:45:08.360 --> 0:45:12.240 I'm getting at. It definitely goes back into that overall 0:45:13.200 --> 0:45:17.160 data bank, if you will, of what's the crop rotation, 0:45:17.560 --> 0:45:19.279 what phase are we in, what time of the year 0:45:19.360 --> 0:45:23.200 is it, what is the weather like today? What made 0:45:23.320 --> 0:45:27.399 him move during daylight? Where did he come from? Where 0:45:27.480 --> 0:45:30.279 is he going? It's really as simple as what I 0:45:30.360 --> 0:45:33.719 just said right there, Where did he bed? Where is 0:45:33.719 --> 0:45:36.719 he heading to feed? Or if it's a later and 0:45:36.880 --> 0:45:39.120 I'm speaking in terms of where I'm at right now 0:45:39.160 --> 0:45:41.719 in the season, which is you know, early October, and 0:45:41.760 --> 0:45:44.560 they're they're on food patterns. That's going to change drastically 0:45:44.640 --> 0:45:47.720 coming up here because the home ranges are going to expand. 0:45:47.760 --> 0:45:50.520 And then in November it's you know, bar the door there, 0:45:50.640 --> 0:45:53.560 they're all over the Dad Come place. So all of 0:45:53.640 --> 0:45:57.920 those different factors have to be either journals are remembered, 0:45:58.280 --> 0:46:01.560 are put into that overall data bag of of your 0:46:02.000 --> 0:46:06.680 personal dear memory slash history, slash predictive model, whatever that 0:46:06.840 --> 0:46:08.960 is for you as a person. It has to be 0:46:09.080 --> 0:46:12.359 documented some way so that you can and eight years, 0:46:12.440 --> 0:46:17.520 ten years, seven years, go back, not necessarily to reflect 0:46:17.640 --> 0:46:20.920 on that dear, but reflect on what the dear in 0:46:21.040 --> 0:46:25.120 general do with those conditions when they repeat, because when 0:46:25.200 --> 0:46:30.000 weather conditions repeat and mass crop repeats and crop rotation repeats, 0:46:30.560 --> 0:46:33.439 the dear in general will most likely act and bed 0:46:33.600 --> 0:46:36.319 the same way that they are when you made that observation. 0:46:37.880 --> 0:46:42.320 So something you said there made me. It triggered a 0:46:42.440 --> 0:46:47.120 situation that I've oftentimes found myself in wondering about UH, 0:46:47.239 --> 0:46:49.839 and I think it has it's tied to this kind 0:46:49.840 --> 0:46:52.480 of observation type situation where you see a deer do 0:46:52.680 --> 0:46:55.279 something and then you think about, Okay, what was the 0:46:55.320 --> 0:46:58.719 wind doing on at that particular time, and why did 0:46:58.800 --> 0:47:00.520 he come from where he came from, and why was 0:47:00.560 --> 0:47:03.840 he going where he was going. One of the dilemmas 0:47:03.880 --> 0:47:07.920 I oftentimes find myself is that I'm looking at a 0:47:08.080 --> 0:47:11.479 daylight photo or I'm looking at some piece of data 0:47:11.520 --> 0:47:14.440 that says, okay, that buck was in here on this day. 0:47:14.520 --> 0:47:17.640 What was the wind you know that day? And I'll say, okay, 0:47:17.680 --> 0:47:21.320 it's a northwest or whatever. But then maybe it was 0:47:21.360 --> 0:47:24.880 different in the morning versus the evening. And I guess 0:47:25.480 --> 0:47:29.239 I'm curious, what do you think matters more when it 0:47:29.320 --> 0:47:31.360 comes to predicting what a buck's going to do? Is 0:47:31.520 --> 0:47:33.799 is the wind in the morning when he went back 0:47:33.840 --> 0:47:36.960 to bed the most important thing to predict what he's 0:47:36.960 --> 0:47:39.680 gonna do? Or is it the wind in the evening 0:47:40.120 --> 0:47:43.040 when he comes out to his food source, like which 0:47:43.120 --> 0:47:47.160 is influencing his behavior more? Um, I don't know if 0:47:47.160 --> 0:47:49.120 I'm explaining this question, what does that make sense? Mark? 0:47:49.760 --> 0:47:52.400 Are you? Are you talking in terms of speed or direction? 0:47:52.680 --> 0:47:56.680 I was thinking direction, but both of the interesting um, 0:47:58.040 --> 0:48:02.560 wind speed is what I pay most attention to. I 0:48:02.719 --> 0:48:08.120 pay almost no attention to win direction as it pertains 0:48:08.200 --> 0:48:12.000 to a bucks paninable and predictive movements as much as 0:48:12.040 --> 0:48:18.279 I do speed. Um, I am not one that conforms 0:48:18.360 --> 0:48:23.520 to the thought that the direction of wind will dictate 0:48:25.560 --> 0:48:28.400 a lot for a deer. I'm sure it does, but 0:48:28.560 --> 0:48:33.160 I don't think it's as important as as I as 0:48:33.239 --> 0:48:36.359 I think some people think it is. If that makes sense, 0:48:36.440 --> 0:48:39.120 just that's just based on my observations. I'm much more 0:48:39.239 --> 0:48:43.440 interested in the speed and his overall demeanor, which I 0:48:43.520 --> 0:48:46.319 think speed has a great deal to do with. Then 0:48:46.400 --> 0:48:49.520 I am the direction of the wind, So tell me 0:48:49.520 --> 0:48:51.440 a little bit more about that then. So if if 0:48:51.760 --> 0:48:55.080 the speed is really what might be influencing, I mean, 0:48:55.120 --> 0:48:56.960 are you saying my influence whether or not a buck 0:48:57.000 --> 0:48:59.520 were to come out in daylight again, or if you 0:48:59.560 --> 0:49:03.719 know he's will be more active? Absolutely? Yeah. And that's 0:49:04.360 --> 0:49:07.200 combined with a lot of other weather factors, and when 0:49:07.400 --> 0:49:10.479 when a lot of them optimize, that's when you see 0:49:10.920 --> 0:49:14.359 those magical days. It's like, holy shoot. So three shooters tonight, 0:49:14.440 --> 0:49:17.840 you know, or I saw thirty deer, But you know, 0:49:18.360 --> 0:49:20.520 the other night I set the same place, and I 0:49:20.600 --> 0:49:23.239 saw three deer, and you know, a lot of things 0:49:23.280 --> 0:49:26.680 were similar, but all of a sudden when several things optimized, 0:49:26.719 --> 0:49:29.279 like we're about to do that tomorrow and the next 0:49:29.360 --> 0:49:32.399 day at least here in the Midwest, there's a bunch 0:49:32.440 --> 0:49:37.120 of weather factors that are optimizing, and we're we're very 0:49:37.200 --> 0:49:40.000 anxious for this this next three or four day period here, 0:49:40.600 --> 0:49:43.200 can you can you in a way that won't you know, 0:49:43.280 --> 0:49:45.920 give away too much information? Would you be willing to 0:49:46.120 --> 0:49:50.279 walk me through you know what you're how you're gonna 0:49:50.320 --> 0:49:52.680 take advantage of this optimal set of conditions, and how 0:49:52.840 --> 0:49:56.160 you are going to you know, pattern or try to 0:49:56.280 --> 0:49:58.320 take advantage of a pattern that you've been developing with 0:49:58.440 --> 0:49:59.920 with the buck of your own. Is there in the 0:50:00.000 --> 0:50:02.600 example you could share of like this is what he's 0:50:02.640 --> 0:50:04.960 done in the history, this is what the pictures tell me. Now, 0:50:05.160 --> 0:50:08.080 this is how this lines up with the current weather pattern. 0:50:08.200 --> 0:50:10.440 And is there a case study that we have here 0:50:10.480 --> 0:50:17.440 that might work to discuss Uh? No, because of the 0:50:17.920 --> 0:50:20.399 three of the I shouldn't answer it that way. Yes 0:50:20.440 --> 0:50:24.560 there is, but in this year this instance, three of 0:50:24.680 --> 0:50:27.680 the bucks that I'm hunting are bucks that don't home 0:50:27.800 --> 0:50:30.239 core on my farms, like I'm waiting for them to 0:50:30.280 --> 0:50:31.920 show and then I'm gonna go hunt them, and none 0:50:31.960 --> 0:50:36.000 of them are on there right now, so because I 0:50:36.400 --> 0:50:40.360 hunt a lot of small parcels and therefore I'm just 0:50:40.560 --> 0:50:43.239 off oftentimes, so i gotta wait for them to come in. 0:50:44.080 --> 0:50:48.319 Um So, in direct answer to your question, and then 0:50:48.400 --> 0:50:50.719 the other one that I'm hunting, I've really got four 0:50:50.920 --> 0:50:53.440 targets that I'm hunting this year, and the other one 0:50:53.680 --> 0:50:56.279 I think does live there a lot. However, the wind 0:50:56.360 --> 0:50:59.080 direction is completely wrong to hunting over the next few days. 0:50:59.320 --> 0:51:02.400 So um So, that's why my simple answer was no. 0:51:02.800 --> 0:51:07.080 In terms of who I'm hunting right now. However, Mattson 0:51:07.440 --> 0:51:10.200 Perry's got a tag. So there are other bucks that 0:51:10.320 --> 0:51:13.680 I think are going to play quite well through these conditions, 0:51:14.000 --> 0:51:17.120 and that's looking at historical data. They're bucks that have 0:51:17.239 --> 0:51:20.560 been there at their lives and the conditions are lining up. 0:51:20.960 --> 0:51:23.439 If we can put them to bed, we should see 0:51:23.480 --> 0:51:25.600 them and possibly kill them. It's exactly what we did 0:51:25.719 --> 0:51:29.359 last night with Wades. So and the reason I say 0:51:29.400 --> 0:51:33.440 that is because I've had many days over the past 0:51:33.680 --> 0:51:36.719 ten days where I've had a buck early morning on 0:51:36.760 --> 0:51:40.360 a sub cam and go he's not coming out tonight. 0:51:40.400 --> 0:51:43.600 The weather conditions aren't right. I don't think he's gonna 0:51:43.640 --> 0:51:45.759 daylight tonight, and therefore we choose not to go in there, 0:51:45.760 --> 0:51:48.600 and more often than not, he did not. That's going 0:51:48.640 --> 0:51:52.000 to change um here with this weather front, we're gonna 0:51:52.040 --> 0:51:55.880 be below normal temperatures. We've got cold north winds, and 0:51:56.600 --> 0:52:00.439 these weather fronts, I will say that through an union, 0:52:00.480 --> 0:52:03.640 when you get them, they're that much more important because 0:52:04.280 --> 0:52:07.560 we get so few. When you get one, Holy cow, man, 0:52:07.680 --> 0:52:10.200 they're all on the feet, and they're moving a little 0:52:10.200 --> 0:52:12.600 bit further than moving earlier than moving a little farther, 0:52:12.920 --> 0:52:15.239 it's pretty cool. What's about to happen here in the 0:52:15.280 --> 0:52:18.520 middle of So that raises another question. Then we've got 0:52:18.719 --> 0:52:22.040 maybe three main categories of data. I guess you could 0:52:22.080 --> 0:52:24.640 say that might help us make a decision. One of 0:52:24.680 --> 0:52:29.280 those categories is historical data, so past sightings, past pictures. 0:52:30.080 --> 0:52:32.640 This The next thing is like our recent intel. So 0:52:32.800 --> 0:52:34.839 what are our cell cameras are telling us right now? 0:52:35.360 --> 0:52:37.399 Or what is the regular camera that we checked within 0:52:37.480 --> 0:52:39.560 the last few days tell us right now? That's the 0:52:39.600 --> 0:52:42.360 second category, and the third category is all of the 0:52:42.520 --> 0:52:48.440 weather conditioned environment type stuff that might impact something. Now 0:52:48.560 --> 0:52:50.919 that we have that recent you know, now that cell 0:52:51.000 --> 0:52:55.040 cameras have entered the picture, how is that? You know, 0:52:55.360 --> 0:52:58.000 how has that changed the value of one of the 0:52:58.880 --> 0:53:02.480 those different categories. Is historical patterns? Is that less important 0:53:02.520 --> 0:53:06.360 now because you've got this recent intel or is it? 0:53:06.520 --> 0:53:08.640 Is it still on equal plant Is it in equal 0:53:08.680 --> 0:53:13.800 playing field? It just makes it that much more effective 0:53:13.840 --> 0:53:18.440 and validates what your assumptions are much quicker for you, right, 0:53:19.560 --> 0:53:23.239 are invalidates right? So Raconics has a saying, see what 0:53:23.320 --> 0:53:26.080 you've been missing? Well, South Camp's also you have what 0:53:26.280 --> 0:53:30.560 you haven't been missing, Like I've got suitors that we 0:53:30.719 --> 0:53:33.800 had summer to intel on that I have anticipated to 0:53:33.840 --> 0:53:35.920 show up on certain forms that they just haven't yet. 0:53:36.440 --> 0:53:38.480 So it tells you not to go there until they do. 0:53:39.320 --> 0:53:42.920 So the fourth piece of that, you name three very 0:53:42.960 --> 0:53:45.680 important ones. I would divide the weather in the environment 0:53:46.120 --> 0:53:50.239 literally into those two categories. So weather data guess and 0:53:50.360 --> 0:53:53.920 then environment which I always look at prop rotation and mascots, 0:53:53.960 --> 0:53:56.640 so food source. You know, weather is going to affect 0:53:56.680 --> 0:53:59.560 how they feed, what's planted where, and what the mass 0:53:59.600 --> 0:54:04.399 crop is going to affect where they feed. So those 0:54:04.440 --> 0:54:08.160 two things in combination can help you get ahead of 0:54:08.239 --> 0:54:11.600 where he's going to be as as opposed to behind. Yeah, 0:54:12.560 --> 0:54:16.000 what about when some of these things conflict? So what 0:54:16.239 --> 0:54:25.240 if you have a uh, what if the weather is lousy, 0:54:25.800 --> 0:54:27.200 if it's not as good as it should be, but 0:54:27.360 --> 0:54:29.520 you have a two year in a row kind of 0:54:29.560 --> 0:54:32.880 annual pattern that this buck always starts cruising through here 0:54:32.920 --> 0:54:36.759 the last week of October and he's been rock solid here, 0:54:37.239 --> 0:54:41.319 you know, going crazy the last two years, and now 0:54:41.440 --> 0:54:43.919 that arrives this year and you're just not loving the weather. 0:54:44.080 --> 0:54:46.240 But you know the historically he's been moving in daylight 0:54:46.360 --> 0:54:49.120 during that time period. In that kind of example or 0:54:49.200 --> 0:54:52.279 some other example where two or or three of these 0:54:52.320 --> 0:54:56.000 different things don't all line up, do you, dude, which 0:54:56.040 --> 0:54:58.000 do you trust? Like do you always fall back and say, well, 0:54:58.160 --> 0:54:59.759 history says he's going to start moving through here, so 0:54:59.800 --> 0:55:01.839 I to give it a shot, or do you now 0:55:02.040 --> 0:55:05.399 wait until the cell cameras confirm it? You know, irrefutably, 0:55:06.600 --> 0:55:08.320 it's it depends on the time of the year. So 0:55:08.560 --> 0:55:12.160 in answer to that question, at I'm hunting him whether 0:55:12.239 --> 0:55:16.239 it's great weather or not, because his testosterones at a 0:55:16.320 --> 0:55:19.400 level it's gonna kind of trump the weather a little bit. 0:55:19.480 --> 0:55:22.759 You don't need nearly as great a weather to kill 0:55:22.840 --> 0:55:25.040 them then as you do now. When they're in a 0:55:25.120 --> 0:55:27.560 food pattern and moving the hundred yards from their bed 0:55:27.600 --> 0:55:30.160 to their feed each day, even though it's less of 0:55:30.200 --> 0:55:33.440 a distance, it takes much better conditions for them to daylight. 0:55:33.560 --> 0:55:36.080 And I'm I'm speaking in terms of older deer. That 0:55:36.360 --> 0:55:38.560 doesn't mean that a year and a half or two 0:55:38.600 --> 0:55:40.279 and a half won't do it. But if you're hunting 0:55:40.360 --> 0:55:42.600 five or six year old deer, man, things better be 0:55:42.840 --> 0:55:45.920 awfully perfect to get that sucker up and seem during daylight, 0:55:45.960 --> 0:55:49.719 because they're walking slow, they stand up, they stretch, they 0:55:49.800 --> 0:55:53.840 browse around. They're just late moving during daylight, you know. 0:55:53.920 --> 0:55:57.680 And it's it's very difficult to get close enough to 0:55:57.840 --> 0:56:02.200 see a deer of age six of an evening or 0:56:02.280 --> 0:56:05.880 of a morning. It's extremely difficult to get in that 0:56:06.160 --> 0:56:09.440 short period are a short distance that they're going to 0:56:09.520 --> 0:56:12.279 move during daylight. It's much easier to do so in 0:56:12.400 --> 0:56:16.719 late October earlier November, when the distance increases and when 0:56:16.840 --> 0:56:21.400 testosterone is higher and they're actually moving moving better. You know, 0:56:21.520 --> 0:56:24.399 they just move better this time of the year. They're finicky. Man, 0:56:24.520 --> 0:56:26.719 it's got to be all the all systems have to 0:56:26.800 --> 0:56:29.600 be green light to really expect to see a deer 0:56:29.640 --> 0:56:33.560 of that age class. So I answered that a little long, 0:56:33.800 --> 0:56:38.960 but I believe that's the correct answer to your question. Yeah, yeah, 0:56:38.960 --> 0:56:42.520 I follow you kind of back to the annual pattern thing. 0:56:42.880 --> 0:56:45.400 One other thing, I'm curious about how cell cameras have 0:56:47.120 --> 0:56:49.080 I guess you kind of said it. Sometimes they confirm 0:56:49.160 --> 0:56:51.800 what you what you believe, or you confirm your assumptions. 0:56:51.880 --> 0:56:56.680 But how has your thoughts on annual patterns evolved over 0:56:56.719 --> 0:56:59.320 the years, especially now that you maybe we can confirm 0:56:59.400 --> 0:57:03.440 them or or disprove them more accurately. Do you do 0:57:03.520 --> 0:57:06.520 you still see this to be a a pretty consistent 0:57:06.680 --> 0:57:11.719 thing that you can plan on. And how how tight 0:57:12.320 --> 0:57:15.399 of a repeat have you, you know, now seen things 0:57:15.480 --> 0:57:17.080 to be. Do you look at this and think, ma'am, 0:57:17.560 --> 0:57:19.800 if they did it the last year, they're likely to 0:57:19.840 --> 0:57:22.400 do it again on the same day, the same week, 0:57:22.760 --> 0:57:28.040 the same condition. Like what, I guess give me more 0:57:28.040 --> 0:57:31.280 on any better? I hear you and I get where 0:57:31.320 --> 0:57:35.720 you're going. And yes, I still believe that with every 0:57:35.840 --> 0:57:40.400 fiber of my being. However, there are factors that affected slightly. 0:57:40.920 --> 0:57:43.440 And I've mentioned in a few times in our conversation 0:57:44.240 --> 0:57:48.840 the environment with mass crop and and overall. You know, 0:57:49.040 --> 0:57:53.000 crop rotation affects it, cover affects it. You know, a 0:57:53.080 --> 0:57:56.600 farmer cutting a field one year, here's a great example, 0:57:57.480 --> 0:58:00.400 um brush got out of control on the CRP farm 0:58:01.160 --> 0:58:03.720 and that's where the buck was betting. And ff A 0:58:03.840 --> 0:58:06.440 got on that farmer's tail and said, you've got to 0:58:06.480 --> 0:58:09.560 clean that brusho off of their Last year it was 0:58:09.600 --> 0:58:12.919 all six but tall. This year it is seven inches tall. 0:58:13.360 --> 0:58:17.720 Those types of factors affect deer's bed and behavior greatly. 0:58:17.840 --> 0:58:22.200 So your overall awareness to your environment is just as 0:58:22.240 --> 0:58:24.920 important to the patterning of a deer as it is 0:58:25.080 --> 0:58:27.720 sitting in a computer and writing down all your notes 0:58:27.760 --> 0:58:30.560 and then looking at the notes and then looking backwards, 0:58:30.920 --> 0:58:34.840 like I always say, why, no matter whether it's a 0:58:34.920 --> 0:58:38.400 picture or a siting or anything else, why is he 0:58:38.560 --> 0:58:41.080 doing what he's doing today, whether that be direction of travel, 0:58:41.120 --> 0:58:45.360 whether that be moving, whether that be not moving, whether 0:58:45.520 --> 0:58:47.320 that be a neighbor saying, hey, I just saw this 0:58:47.400 --> 0:58:49.120 certain deer and you go, wait a minute, that's the 0:58:49.160 --> 0:58:51.240 deer I'm hunting over here. You know, I always go 0:58:51.440 --> 0:58:56.000 why what made things happen, whether that be something that 0:58:56.160 --> 0:59:00.960 happened consistently or whether it's something that changed. So, yes, 0:59:01.080 --> 0:59:03.120 I believe it with every fiber of my being, but 0:59:03.680 --> 0:59:06.240 you also have to be very nimble in the moment 0:59:06.480 --> 0:59:10.560 to accept change and go, dang it, my plan that 0:59:10.640 --> 0:59:13.520 I made in July in August is not coming to fruition. 0:59:14.240 --> 0:59:16.520 Why is it not coming to fruition? I had all 0:59:16.600 --> 0:59:18.240 this laid out, Man, I was gonna kill him on 0:59:18.320 --> 0:59:21.720 October the five. Well, why aren't you killing him? Um? 0:59:22.760 --> 0:59:26.960 There there's reasons because they it's the chess match that 0:59:27.400 --> 0:59:32.480 I think people get so addicted to. UM. So if 0:59:32.560 --> 0:59:34.520 you figure out the wise, and the more of the 0:59:34.600 --> 0:59:37.160 wise that you figure out, the more dear and the 0:59:37.200 --> 0:59:41.800 more mature dear you're you're gonna kill. So so let's 0:59:41.840 --> 0:59:45.560 go back to a little bit of the um, you know, 0:59:45.680 --> 0:59:51.240 the analyzing of all this data. So there's these different 0:59:51.320 --> 0:59:54.600 categories of data we've we've been discussing, and then there's 0:59:54.640 --> 0:59:57.280 what's gonna happen tomorrow or what's gonna happen next week, 0:59:57.320 --> 0:59:59.280 and we're trying to decide, okay, based on all this 0:59:59.400 --> 1:00:01.840 data we have of what's he gonna do tomorrow? And 1:00:01.880 --> 1:00:06.480 where stead I hunt? There's these different pieces of data 1:00:06.480 --> 1:00:09.520 that we can connect back to, back to history. So 1:00:09.680 --> 1:00:12.440 back to the picture we got yesterday, or back to 1:00:12.520 --> 1:00:16.040 the pattern he had last year. How tight of a 1:00:16.400 --> 1:00:18.680 connection or how many of these things have to line 1:00:18.760 --> 1:00:20.760 up before you were to go in there. And so 1:00:20.960 --> 1:00:24.680 my example would be, let's say you're trying to decide 1:00:24.680 --> 1:00:26.800 where to hunt the first week in October. Let's let's 1:00:26.800 --> 1:00:29.600 say later we'll say that, you know, last week of October, 1:00:30.240 --> 1:00:33.920 and you have daylight pictures of him, you know, yesterday 1:00:33.960 --> 1:00:37.000 and the day before with a certain wind speed and 1:00:37.760 --> 1:00:41.440 you know, good cold front kind of conditions that came 1:00:41.480 --> 1:00:43.840 passing through. Now you're saying, what should I do the 1:00:43.920 --> 1:00:45.880 next day? If the next day, if if you don't 1:00:45.960 --> 1:00:49.760 have that same condition, the same set of conditions in place, 1:00:50.360 --> 1:00:52.400 do you still move on it? Or do you want 1:00:52.440 --> 1:00:55.600 to have like Okay, I want the same location matched 1:00:55.640 --> 1:00:58.160 up with the same conditions before I jump in there 1:00:58.200 --> 1:01:02.640 and try to kill him again. I generally it's more 1:01:02.720 --> 1:01:05.880 often than not, you know, it's it's really about the weather. 1:01:06.000 --> 1:01:08.480 For me, Like, as you know, I am a slave 1:01:08.600 --> 1:01:10.160 to it. And I mean it's why we create a 1:01:10.240 --> 1:01:13.600 deer cast. Like I firmly believe that there are windows 1:01:13.640 --> 1:01:17.320 of opportunity each year that you're given with a daylight opportunity, 1:01:17.480 --> 1:01:21.439 and that all revolves around the weather and how close 1:01:21.520 --> 1:01:24.480 you can get to that dear's bed depending on the 1:01:24.600 --> 1:01:27.400 time of the year and and how far they're moving 1:01:27.440 --> 1:01:31.920 at that time of the year. So I'm pretty pretty 1:01:31.960 --> 1:01:34.600 discipline when it comes to making sure it's the right 1:01:34.640 --> 1:01:38.480 opportunity because I go back to my statement earlier saying 1:01:39.040 --> 1:01:41.240 I never want them to know that they're being hunted 1:01:41.280 --> 1:01:44.200 like that's I just I don't want them to kill 1:01:44.280 --> 1:01:47.200 me right like I'm trying to kill them. So in 1:01:47.360 --> 1:01:51.520 my mind, it's this me against them game of chess, 1:01:52.280 --> 1:01:55.000 and I want to be the one saying checkmate. I 1:01:55.120 --> 1:01:58.280 want to be the one. I don't want him to 1:01:58.320 --> 1:02:01.560 smell me, because to me, if a deer smells me 1:02:01.640 --> 1:02:04.480 and figures me out like it's it's just dangner over 1:02:04.560 --> 1:02:06.680 every time. I don't know if you've noticed that through time, 1:02:06.720 --> 1:02:09.560 but when they when they get you, they got you, 1:02:10.040 --> 1:02:13.440 So don't let them get you. Said, that's that should 1:02:13.440 --> 1:02:17.720 be a tee shirt when they get the gut because man, 1:02:17.800 --> 1:02:20.200 when they figured you out. Buddy, they're a lot better. 1:02:20.480 --> 1:02:22.160 They're a lot better at this than we are. And 1:02:22.200 --> 1:02:24.760 they're good at living. I said all the time. They 1:02:24.800 --> 1:02:27.560 are good at living, and they're terrible at dying. I mean, 1:02:27.640 --> 1:02:30.240 it is hard to kill a mature dear. And if 1:02:30.320 --> 1:02:34.400 you mess up and goof him up man alive, does 1:02:34.440 --> 1:02:36.920 it make him tougher that year and years years in 1:02:36.960 --> 1:02:40.920 the future. So I'm always I'm always betting on the 1:02:41.000 --> 1:02:45.360 come and betting terms. So I'm waiting, I'm waiting, I'm waiting, 1:02:45.400 --> 1:02:47.960 and I try to strike when when things line up, 1:02:48.000 --> 1:02:50.280 I want optimized everything to go in there and try 1:02:50.320 --> 1:02:55.280 and kill that deer. That's just me um. So you know, 1:02:55.920 --> 1:02:59.160 other days I'm out shooting those other days I'm filming someone. 1:02:59.280 --> 1:03:02.040 But if it's a specific target that I'm trying to hunt, 1:03:02.720 --> 1:03:05.959 I actually hunt him very few days, if that makes sense. 1:03:06.040 --> 1:03:08.280 I think back to the deer I've killed over the 1:03:08.360 --> 1:03:12.640 last few years. I've spent very few days actually where 1:03:12.800 --> 1:03:16.920 I thought I was going to kill him. You got 1:03:17.000 --> 1:03:20.560 a target buck that shows up, you get sell picture 1:03:20.600 --> 1:03:23.120 of him. Let's say two days in a row with 1:03:24.120 --> 1:03:29.040 north wind, nice good weather, and for whatever reason, you 1:03:29.200 --> 1:03:32.160 you couldn't be out hunting in this location because you 1:03:32.320 --> 1:03:34.800 went to Texas or you were somewhere else. But he's 1:03:34.880 --> 1:03:39.160 day letting twice in a row, day three totally different 1:03:39.200 --> 1:03:42.920 conditions though not as good, but he was daylight two 1:03:43.000 --> 1:03:47.400 days in a row. Are you Are you saying drop wind, speed, 1:03:47.520 --> 1:03:52.280 dropped clouds, rolled in, Yeah, or I may not go 1:03:52.440 --> 1:03:54.640 try him, but you're already behind a little bit like 1:03:55.320 --> 1:03:58.640 that's have you ever noticed about a mature buck? They 1:03:58.880 --> 1:04:03.760 seldom almost never daylight every single day for a week, right, 1:04:04.320 --> 1:04:07.000 If you you know you'll get a day here and 1:04:07.080 --> 1:04:09.600 a day there, there's some randomness to win their daylight. 1:04:09.960 --> 1:04:12.800 And that again, it's another reason we did our predicted model. 1:04:13.200 --> 1:04:15.760 It's like, why why did you day Oh? There, it 1:04:15.920 --> 1:04:17.240 is there, it is there, it is You put it 1:04:17.320 --> 1:04:20.400 all together in an algorithm with thirteen different variables, and 1:04:21.000 --> 1:04:23.640 we try to help people predict when the best movement's 1:04:23.680 --> 1:04:26.160 going to be when the optimized conditions are there. So 1:04:26.560 --> 1:04:29.480 I'm trying to pick those days for me personally, and 1:04:29.520 --> 1:04:33.400 I'm using historical data that I've compiled on that deer, 1:04:33.640 --> 1:04:36.840 on that farm, on the crops, everything all combined together 1:04:37.280 --> 1:04:39.840 to go there it is. There's the day. Here's where 1:04:39.840 --> 1:04:43.280 I'm gonna try and just try to be right more 1:04:43.360 --> 1:04:45.760 than you are wrong. But I'm still wrong a heck 1:04:45.840 --> 1:04:47.600 of a lot more than I'm right. I still I 1:04:47.720 --> 1:04:50.800 make a lot of bad judgments. We all are right, 1:04:50.880 --> 1:04:53.520 you know, like in in baseball they say you're very 1:04:53.560 --> 1:04:55.880 successful if you get you know, you're about two fifty. 1:04:55.920 --> 1:04:59.000 Your your successful one fourth at the time. Well, and 1:04:59.240 --> 1:05:01.560 in hunting, what would it be it was one hundreds 1:05:01.560 --> 1:05:05.480 of a time. You know, it's you're batting, you're batting 1:05:05.560 --> 1:05:07.760 under a hundred. I know that for a mature buck, 1:05:07.920 --> 1:05:11.960 you're batting way under average, very low. If you just 1:05:12.400 --> 1:05:16.360 what do you get the whole season? Maybe a chance 1:05:16.480 --> 1:05:20.680 to a chance to two or three and that's you know, 1:05:20.800 --> 1:05:23.200 that's hunting a lot. You don't get many chances. So 1:05:24.080 --> 1:05:26.480 when you take your shot, you know you need to 1:05:26.520 --> 1:05:28.360 try and have everything in your favor that you can. 1:05:29.000 --> 1:05:32.000 And that's one side of the equation. The other side 1:05:32.040 --> 1:05:36.480 of the equation is persistence and the numbers game does 1:05:36.560 --> 1:05:39.560 come up, there's a d factor and everything. In fact 1:05:39.840 --> 1:05:41.960 that night that I sat there and I saw that target. 1:05:42.000 --> 1:05:45.280 In my pre hunt interview, I talked about I haven't 1:05:45.280 --> 1:05:47.520 had a daylight photo of this deer. I've had one 1:05:47.600 --> 1:05:50.040 in the last month since he shut his velvet. I 1:05:50.080 --> 1:05:52.720 had had one daylight photo of him. And I said, 1:05:53.280 --> 1:05:55.640 but I believe he's here because I'm getting nighttime photos 1:05:56.040 --> 1:05:58.120 and there is a dow factor in hunting, and he's 1:05:58.120 --> 1:06:01.440 gonna daylight again soon. Sure enough, he daylighted that night 1:06:01.520 --> 1:06:03.680 and I goofed it up. I jacked it up terribly. 1:06:04.080 --> 1:06:06.560 But the two factor does come into play. But I 1:06:06.680 --> 1:06:10.040 have a locked in, freaking access. I had a perfect 1:06:10.120 --> 1:06:13.320 wind speed, I had a perfect wind direction to access it, 1:06:13.600 --> 1:06:15.840 so I felt safely that I could get there and 1:06:15.880 --> 1:06:18.840 then leave into that what is kind of a quasi 1:06:19.280 --> 1:06:22.520 observation set. Yet I might still kill him here. Well, 1:06:22.880 --> 1:06:25.840 it worked, but I goofed it up. So there's one 1:06:25.880 --> 1:06:28.240 of my chances this year. I know that I knew 1:06:28.400 --> 1:06:31.240 when it happened, got out there, I'm like, that's one 1:06:31.320 --> 1:06:33.960 of my few opportunities I'll have. And he's he's a 1:06:34.200 --> 1:06:36.280 he's a whopper man. This steer is really really big, 1:06:36.400 --> 1:06:40.240 and I jacked it up. I left there that night 1:06:40.480 --> 1:06:43.080 thinking I'll probably not have that chance again this year. 1:06:43.240 --> 1:06:47.160 That was my exact thoughts. So when you have this 1:06:47.320 --> 1:06:49.240 is this is off topic, but I can't help it. 1:06:49.320 --> 1:06:53.680 Ask like, when you have something like that happened, even 1:06:54.080 --> 1:06:56.960 someone has experienced and who has had as much success 1:06:57.000 --> 1:07:01.160 as you have, how do you, like says, deal with 1:07:01.360 --> 1:07:03.240 that and move on from it? Like, how how did 1:07:03.280 --> 1:07:05.480 you handle that night sitting and sitting in bed at 1:07:05.520 --> 1:07:07.880 home after you had this monster within range and you 1:07:08.000 --> 1:07:13.040 couldn't pull it together? What what do you do? Closer? 1:07:13.080 --> 1:07:15.720 In baseball's mentality, I have a lot of baseball analogies 1:07:15.760 --> 1:07:18.280 because I I watched every single pitch of every Cardinal 1:07:18.360 --> 1:07:21.120 game since I was like Ted right, I'd love baseball. 1:07:21.440 --> 1:07:25.520 So closer's mentality really terrible memory. Get over it quickly 1:07:25.680 --> 1:07:27.920 and move on. That's the best thing you can do 1:07:28.720 --> 1:07:31.720 um when it happens, because if you if you wear it, 1:07:31.840 --> 1:07:33.560 if it's in your mind and it's working on you, 1:07:33.840 --> 1:07:35.520 you're gonna goose the next one up and the next 1:07:35.560 --> 1:07:37.760 one up. Like you have to get over it within 1:07:37.880 --> 1:07:41.000 seconds and move on. That's all you can do. It happened, 1:07:41.360 --> 1:07:44.240 It's ancient history. Now use it to better yourself in 1:07:44.280 --> 1:07:50.320 the next situation. But get eliminate emotion from making mistakes. 1:07:50.880 --> 1:07:52.880 You have to or it will eat you up the 1:07:52.960 --> 1:07:56.120 full season. You're gonna goof it up. Trust me on experience, 1:07:56.120 --> 1:07:58.640 because when I was younger, I was I was the 1:07:58.880 --> 1:08:01.640 dumbest hunter man. I get so mad at situations because 1:08:02.080 --> 1:08:04.520 those bucks met so much to me. Right well, as 1:08:04.560 --> 1:08:06.800 I've aged, I've learned that you've got to get over 1:08:06.880 --> 1:08:09.400 and move on to the next, the next opportunity, because 1:08:09.440 --> 1:08:11.520 if you're not thinking with a clear head, you're not 1:08:11.600 --> 1:08:13.760 gonna put yourself in the right position the next time. 1:08:13.960 --> 1:08:16.080 And that's that's kind of mental side of the game. 1:08:16.320 --> 1:08:18.040 We're getting off topic here a little bit, but I 1:08:18.160 --> 1:08:20.639 think it is a very important part of the game, 1:08:21.160 --> 1:08:24.760 is keeping a clear head and keeping a positive attitude. 1:08:25.240 --> 1:08:28.880 I can't tell you I'm like a very optimistic person 1:08:28.920 --> 1:08:32.800 in general. And like I've learned a long time ago 1:08:33.000 --> 1:08:37.240 from a legend in our county, Paul sex Are. I 1:08:37.439 --> 1:08:40.920 was like maybe fourteen or fifteen, and he took the 1:08:41.000 --> 1:08:43.599 time to sit down and talk to me about turkey 1:08:43.680 --> 1:08:45.880 hunting and turkey hunting tactics, and the one thing that 1:08:45.960 --> 1:08:50.280 he said in that moment that night I had with him, 1:08:50.360 --> 1:08:53.000 he said, and it was really Joe, his brother that 1:08:53.080 --> 1:08:55.400 pointed it out. He said, Paul hunts like he's about 1:08:55.439 --> 1:08:58.840 to kill a turkey every single second of every single hunt, 1:08:59.280 --> 1:09:03.280 and that's kill so many and that type of focus 1:09:03.360 --> 1:09:06.559 and so it's reality you're talking about focus that will 1:09:06.640 --> 1:09:10.599 help you kill more game, especially with a positive attitude. 1:09:10.880 --> 1:09:12.800 I'm gonna kill him. I know I'm gonna kill him. 1:09:12.840 --> 1:09:15.439 He's here tonight. And you know what, Mark, I didn't 1:09:15.520 --> 1:09:18.080 have that on October the second I mentioned before we 1:09:18.160 --> 1:09:20.320 got on the phone. I went in a little rusty. 1:09:20.400 --> 1:09:23.160 This was my only second set of the season, and 1:09:23.800 --> 1:09:26.960 I was a little nonchalant about things that night, and 1:09:27.080 --> 1:09:29.360 it cost me a giant I should have been ready, 1:09:29.479 --> 1:09:32.040 I should have lived by the advice that I've lived 1:09:32.080 --> 1:09:34.800 by for all these years. And I didn't, and it 1:09:35.000 --> 1:09:37.160 cost me a deer. I didn't even get my bow drawn. 1:09:37.200 --> 1:09:40.120 I was so little prepared, and you know, and I've 1:09:40.160 --> 1:09:43.160 been in that situation a lot of times, but my 1:09:43.320 --> 1:09:45.720 mental games sucked that night and it cost me a deer. 1:09:46.120 --> 1:09:48.200 So it's not meat. But you know what, by the 1:09:48.280 --> 1:09:50.080 time I got to the truck was over it and 1:09:50.200 --> 1:09:52.360 I was thinking about the weather for the next night's time. 1:09:52.640 --> 1:09:55.559 I have learned that, like you gotta have a closer mentality, 1:09:55.840 --> 1:10:12.320 get over it quickly. Yeah, that's that's great advice. So, 1:10:12.800 --> 1:10:15.120 speaking of your target Bucks, I did want to return 1:10:15.200 --> 1:10:17.960 to a question I had related to your other target bucks. 1:10:18.040 --> 1:10:20.680 You mentioned how most of these deer are all like, 1:10:20.880 --> 1:10:23.880 not homebodies. They live somewhere else and they just occasionally 1:10:23.960 --> 1:10:27.040 come into your neck of the woods. How does your 1:10:27.080 --> 1:10:30.599 approach to patterning a deer change in that scenario when 1:10:30.640 --> 1:10:32.599 you when you have a deer that you know it's 1:10:32.640 --> 1:10:35.719 just an infrequent visitor. Does does anything we've talked about 1:10:36.040 --> 1:10:40.720 Is it different because of that circumstance in anyway? Deeper dive, man, 1:10:40.920 --> 1:10:43.960 deeper dive find every That's why I keep every picture. 1:10:44.800 --> 1:10:47.599 They're on their seldom. So every piece of every piece 1:10:47.640 --> 1:10:50.519 of the puzzle you get is so much more important 1:10:50.600 --> 1:10:52.680 than a homeboy who you get all the time. Right, 1:10:52.760 --> 1:10:56.560 It's like, um, you know, it's like that friend that 1:10:56.720 --> 1:10:58.400 you can see every day at the bar and go 1:10:58.600 --> 1:11:01.800 have a beer with him. You know what he's gonna do, right, 1:11:01.840 --> 1:11:03.280 you know when he's gonna be there. You know what 1:11:03.360 --> 1:11:04.880 he's gonna say when you sit down and have the 1:11:05.439 --> 1:11:07.680 beer with him. You know what stories he's gonna tell 1:11:07.720 --> 1:11:11.400 when he's had too many beers. Okay, the guy that 1:11:11.520 --> 1:11:14.840 you only see once a year, you can't wait to 1:11:14.880 --> 1:11:17.040 have that conversation. What are you gonna learn new? And 1:11:17.400 --> 1:11:19.479 you you're a little bit more in tune with that 1:11:19.640 --> 1:11:23.400 guy because it's it's it's something that occurs seldom. So 1:11:23.560 --> 1:11:26.200 there far, I have files on all of these deer. 1:11:26.560 --> 1:11:29.000 I know exactly when I've had pictures of them in 1:11:29.040 --> 1:11:31.120 the past. I know what the conditions were, I know 1:11:31.200 --> 1:11:35.320 what the crop rotation was. And in fact, the deer 1:11:35.640 --> 1:11:38.280 that I'm what I would consider my number one targets, 1:11:38.360 --> 1:11:41.720 he's really really large, but he was he was only 1:11:41.800 --> 1:11:43.840 on me I think, based on what I can tell 1:11:44.120 --> 1:11:47.960 a few hours last season. However, when the crop rotation 1:11:48.080 --> 1:11:50.920 was the same in two thousand and twenty, he was 1:11:51.000 --> 1:11:54.599 on me several days. So therefore my confidence is much 1:11:54.680 --> 1:11:58.439 higher about him this year. Who he is aged, he 1:11:58.600 --> 1:12:02.000 is aged, he was five six, he's seven and a 1:12:02.040 --> 1:12:04.920 half this year. My confidence is fairly high that when 1:12:04.920 --> 1:12:07.679 he gets to my farm, he if he's still alive, 1:12:07.840 --> 1:12:09.920 is if he hasn't been killed by another hunter or 1:12:09.960 --> 1:12:11.800 a car or e h D or something like that. 1:12:12.320 --> 1:12:15.559 If I get him I think he may stay enough 1:12:15.680 --> 1:12:19.080 days that I'll possibly have a shot at him. So 1:12:19.840 --> 1:12:22.880 that goes back to that environment. Cross rotation is exactly 1:12:22.960 --> 1:12:24.960 what it was in two thousand and twenty, not only 1:12:25.040 --> 1:12:27.479 on my farm but all of the surrounding area because 1:12:27.520 --> 1:12:31.120 I look at everything when it comes to deer hunting. Okay, 1:12:31.200 --> 1:12:33.360 so I know this is going to be situation dependent. 1:12:33.600 --> 1:12:36.760 But if we had to generalize, if you have a 1:12:36.800 --> 1:12:41.240 buck like this, do you in this kind of case 1:12:41.360 --> 1:12:43.280 in the world of cell cameras, are you always going 1:12:43.360 --> 1:12:45.960 to wait until you get the camera pictures say always back? 1:12:46.320 --> 1:12:48.680 Or is that sometimes too late? I want to be 1:12:48.800 --> 1:12:52.719 the camera, so I'm gonna be sitting there waiting because 1:12:52.760 --> 1:12:55.360 I've never taken very many pictures of him, so I 1:12:55.479 --> 1:12:57.840 damn well better be there the day I do. So 1:12:57.880 --> 1:13:00.519 I'm gonna use historical data to be there and try 1:13:00.560 --> 1:13:03.040 and be the camera. If that makes sense. So is 1:13:03.080 --> 1:13:06.720 it different different type buck, different type personality? Man? If 1:13:06.760 --> 1:13:09.680 you miss your opportunity, you're out. I've got great locations, 1:13:09.760 --> 1:13:12.559 I've got great access in and out. I'm gonna use them. 1:13:12.560 --> 1:13:14.920 I'm gonna hut them, and I'm gonna hunt on much. 1:13:16.000 --> 1:13:19.240 I will take my shots on lesser weather than what 1:13:19.360 --> 1:13:22.120 I normally would on a homeboy. On a homeboy that's 1:13:22.160 --> 1:13:24.880 not leaving, I don't want to run him out on 1:13:24.960 --> 1:13:27.439 a deer that seldom there. I better be there when 1:13:27.479 --> 1:13:32.400 he's there. So I'm gonna hunt a little more often. Okay, Um, 1:13:33.320 --> 1:13:35.519 what about you know, we've we've talked a lot about 1:13:35.840 --> 1:13:39.080 how patterning, you know, can be a pretty important thing 1:13:39.160 --> 1:13:41.640 in these earlier parts of the year, but when we 1:13:41.680 --> 1:13:43.960 get into the rut, things are a little bit different. 1:13:44.320 --> 1:13:48.160 How how does your approach to patterning deer change once 1:13:48.200 --> 1:13:50.040 we get into those rut phases? And and do you 1:13:50.120 --> 1:13:51.960 even think you can pattern a deer during the rut? 1:13:53.000 --> 1:13:59.360 My pattern changes ahead to texas well? There it is, there, 1:13:59.400 --> 1:14:02.640 it is. I am one of those guys that I 1:14:03.360 --> 1:14:06.720 don't want to say I hate the rut, but I 1:14:07.320 --> 1:14:10.880 much prefer hunting October and December O October and deer 1:14:10.920 --> 1:14:15.360 scemmer than I do November because the way that I 1:14:15.560 --> 1:14:20.120 hunt me personally. I hunt based on expectation and data 1:14:20.520 --> 1:14:24.360 and data points rather than hope. And when it comes 1:14:24.439 --> 1:14:28.439 to so it's expectation rather than hope. We're real good 1:14:28.560 --> 1:14:30.400 in and around the food source I mean, we kill 1:14:30.439 --> 1:14:33.840 a lot of deer, you know, food source, tuck close 1:14:33.920 --> 1:14:36.240 to cover. That's a that's an equation that has worked 1:14:36.280 --> 1:14:38.840 well for Terry and I for for quite a while. Now. 1:14:39.320 --> 1:14:42.040 When you get to November and they start spreading out 1:14:42.400 --> 1:14:46.759 and suddenly home core ranges get just go like shotgun approach, 1:14:47.160 --> 1:14:49.519 it's much more difficult to run into a deer. They're 1:14:49.560 --> 1:14:52.920 chasing those and and uh, we still kill them during 1:14:52.960 --> 1:14:56.599 that period and I still hunt them, but it gets 1:14:56.760 --> 1:15:00.560 much tougher to kill a specific deer, which is what 1:15:00.680 --> 1:15:04.280 I'm typically trying to do in November than it is, 1:15:04.520 --> 1:15:10.080 say in October and December. Yeah, does does any does 1:15:10.120 --> 1:15:12.280 any of this stuff still applied during the rut? Like 1:15:12.360 --> 1:15:16.240 are you gonna get you know, annual pattern type data 1:15:16.360 --> 1:15:18.200 and say, well, I'm hunting here the second week in 1:15:18.240 --> 1:15:20.160 November and he did this thing last year. Do you 1:15:20.400 --> 1:15:22.479 ever expect that kind of stuff to repeat during that 1:15:22.560 --> 1:15:24.040 part of the year or do those things it's just 1:15:24.120 --> 1:15:29.120 two random Yeah, they still repeat, like different things repeat though, 1:15:29.240 --> 1:15:32.679 Like let's fast forward out of October. Let's fast forward 1:15:32.800 --> 1:15:36.800 thirty days and go into early November. Fifth, seven, three 1:15:36.880 --> 1:15:39.360 or four of the best Dad Gum days, they're still 1:15:39.479 --> 1:15:42.040 hitting scrapes, they're still checking food sources for the first 1:15:42.080 --> 1:15:44.800 available dough. They're covering a lot more ground, so you 1:15:44.920 --> 1:15:46.680 can go back and look at that data and kill 1:15:46.760 --> 1:15:49.960 that deer doing those exact same things. When I speak 1:15:50.000 --> 1:15:52.320 of my disdain for the rut, it's really in and 1:15:52.360 --> 1:15:56.200 around once they start locking down. So twelve Levet's twelve 1:15:56.280 --> 1:16:02.040 and November through about the tenth eighteenth, that period right 1:16:02.120 --> 1:16:05.160 there is a very frustrating time for me. Um. I 1:16:05.200 --> 1:16:07.280 would much rather be in Missouri with a rifle in 1:16:07.320 --> 1:16:09.519 my hand, or where my range is extended, or in 1:16:09.600 --> 1:16:12.200 Texas where I feel like the bucks are still doing 1:16:12.320 --> 1:16:15.000 things like they were doing here in late October, because 1:16:15.040 --> 1:16:17.280 the run is later down there, so I kind of 1:16:17.600 --> 1:16:20.519 I kind of go south to get on a more 1:16:20.920 --> 1:16:23.720 palatable period, or I go to Missouri where we can 1:16:23.800 --> 1:16:25.880 have a good time and it's rifle season and you 1:16:25.960 --> 1:16:27.400 can stretch it out a little bit if you see 1:16:27.439 --> 1:16:29.799 a buck tending a dough, those types of things. However, 1:16:30.280 --> 1:16:33.439 just prior to lockdown and just after, absolutely you can 1:16:33.479 --> 1:16:35.560 go back and look at pictures and figure out a 1:16:35.600 --> 1:16:38.720 buck's pattern. It's just that they're covering more ground. And 1:16:38.920 --> 1:16:43.160 and and walking more during daylight. So therefore you you 1:16:43.360 --> 1:16:45.439 change where you're sitting. You're no longer sitting on a 1:16:45.439 --> 1:16:47.679 food plot, right, You're not. One of the dumbest places 1:16:47.760 --> 1:16:49.760 you can be is on a greenfield. You know, I 1:16:49.840 --> 1:16:52.880 get into transition, I get into the bedroom. I start 1:16:53.000 --> 1:16:55.960 hunting mornings, I start hunting full day sits. So the 1:16:56.160 --> 1:17:00.679 tactics changed drastically. But yes, you can absolutely kill buck 1:17:00.720 --> 1:17:03.720 in his bedroom. Uh, during that period of the year, 1:17:03.840 --> 1:17:06.680 especially when he ages. You take a deer, say you've 1:17:06.720 --> 1:17:09.880 been you know, fooled by this deer when he's three, 1:17:10.000 --> 1:17:13.720 four or five, and suddenly six, he may not move 1:17:13.760 --> 1:17:17.280 as much. Uh when he's seven, when he's eight, all 1:17:17.280 --> 1:17:19.320 of a sudden, he's gonna daylight a little bit more. 1:17:19.720 --> 1:17:22.120 It gets hungry a little bit more often, and you 1:17:22.240 --> 1:17:25.519 can start taking advantage of his weaknesses. One of the 1:17:25.600 --> 1:17:28.320 toughest did dear to kill is like a price, a 1:17:28.360 --> 1:17:30.160 deer in his prime at age four and five, They 1:17:30.240 --> 1:17:33.040 just they don't daylight quite as much. So six is 1:17:33.080 --> 1:17:36.680 also another another challenging year. So you always keep in 1:17:36.760 --> 1:17:40.120 mind the age of the deer, the overall environment. But yeah, 1:17:40.200 --> 1:17:42.360 you can you can smoke him during the run, you know, 1:17:42.479 --> 1:17:44.439 before they get with the does. Once they're with the does, 1:17:44.560 --> 1:17:47.559 that's when it gets a little real challenging. And I think, 1:17:48.000 --> 1:17:51.120 if you kill a deer that's tending a dough, you 1:17:51.160 --> 1:17:53.439 should really go buy a lottery ticket that day because 1:17:53.439 --> 1:17:57.400 you probably got fairly fortunate on that day. And that's 1:17:57.439 --> 1:18:00.800 the truth. But that's where that's where DO factor comes in. 1:18:01.040 --> 1:18:04.120 That's where I'm in good country. I know he's here. 1:18:04.520 --> 1:18:08.240 I Am going to spend every single solid daylight hour 1:18:08.400 --> 1:18:12.080 in a stand every single day to increase my odds. 1:18:12.280 --> 1:18:14.720 That's how you kill them once they're locked down, just 1:18:14.960 --> 1:18:18.400 absolute seat time in the stand. Yeah, let's say we're 1:18:18.439 --> 1:18:21.320 after one specific buck in a scenarre like you're describing. 1:18:21.479 --> 1:18:23.880 There's there's just the one guy that I really want 1:18:23.920 --> 1:18:28.120 to get and we do all the things you describe 1:18:28.200 --> 1:18:30.600 that do factor get out there, spend a lot of 1:18:30.680 --> 1:18:33.560 time being the general area. Is it a waste of 1:18:33.640 --> 1:18:38.080 time to chase cell camera pictures or to chase um? 1:18:38.280 --> 1:18:40.240 You know, well he did this two days ago. I 1:18:40.360 --> 1:18:42.559 think I got to be in this little corner um 1:18:42.840 --> 1:18:46.240 during that particular time of year, you know, November three 1:18:46.360 --> 1:18:52.519 th or something like that. Um, specifically, it's not a 1:18:52.600 --> 1:18:54.679 waste of time because you know he's there, and that's 1:18:54.800 --> 1:18:57.559 part of the equation that time of the year. Um, 1:18:58.640 --> 1:19:01.200 you know, you get in the rut, you go, oh, uh, 1:19:01.680 --> 1:19:03.640 where's my target. I haven't had a picture of him 1:19:03.640 --> 1:19:06.120 in six seven days. Well he's standing there looking at 1:19:06.160 --> 1:19:08.160 a girlfriend, you know. So when you get a self 1:19:08.200 --> 1:19:11.479 picture and you're like, I'm still here. So that's important. 1:19:11.680 --> 1:19:15.640 Just just having the deer in your hunting area is 1:19:15.680 --> 1:19:18.439 half the battle. So therefore get in there and hunt 1:19:18.479 --> 1:19:21.880 his butt, you know. Uh. Not having him changes that 1:19:21.960 --> 1:19:25.280 a little bit. Uh So the rut brings about like 1:19:25.479 --> 1:19:28.120 if we were having this conversation, I think a lot 1:19:28.200 --> 1:19:31.080 of what I would be talking about might switch up 1:19:31.080 --> 1:19:33.360 a little bit because right now my mind is so 1:19:33.600 --> 1:19:38.720 center focused on greener pastors early October, you know, food bad, 1:19:38.840 --> 1:19:41.439 that type of stuff. If we're having this conversation November five, 1:19:41.840 --> 1:19:44.360 I might answer some of these things differently, But my 1:19:44.439 --> 1:19:46.800 mind's wrapped around this right now, So I'm trying to 1:19:46.880 --> 1:19:49.559 fast forward and think how I will be thinking that time, 1:19:49.720 --> 1:19:52.760 you know. So it's it's different, you know, But I 1:19:53.240 --> 1:19:56.160 love fifth, six, seventh, eighth, and ninth absolutely love it. 1:19:56.320 --> 1:19:59.320 Mornings are great, does crisp cool mornings, you get good weather, 1:19:59.360 --> 1:20:01.840 You've got buck walk until nine ten o'clock in the morning. 1:20:02.240 --> 1:20:05.160 It's pretty exciting. I mean it can be a buck 1:20:05.240 --> 1:20:07.160 factory in certain days. When you get the right weather 1:20:07.240 --> 1:20:09.639 and and uh the right hot dough in the area, 1:20:09.680 --> 1:20:11.800 you you find the magic circle and you're gonna kill 1:20:11.800 --> 1:20:15.040 a deer. So it's it's an exciting time of the year. Yeah. 1:20:15.479 --> 1:20:18.519 So you mentioned that you you really prefer for your 1:20:18.560 --> 1:20:20.439 style of hunting the early part of the year and 1:20:20.479 --> 1:20:23.040 the later part of the year. Uh So, let's talk 1:20:23.040 --> 1:20:26.720 about the later part real quick. Is anything different in 1:20:26.800 --> 1:20:29.400 the late season when it comes to patterning deer compared 1:20:29.439 --> 1:20:32.479 to what we just described for that early, earlier stuff, 1:20:32.840 --> 1:20:34.439 or do you go right back to the same plane 1:20:35.439 --> 1:20:39.639 the vastly different that similar plan, but vastly different strategy 1:20:39.680 --> 1:20:42.000 in terms of food source, your keying in on, and 1:20:42.200 --> 1:20:45.439 most importantly, the thermal cover you're king in on where 1:20:45.520 --> 1:20:48.559 those bucks bed right now is going to be different 1:20:48.800 --> 1:20:51.800 than where they're bedding in December. Right now, they're trying 1:20:51.840 --> 1:20:54.439 to stay cool and they've got cover everywhere because there's 1:20:54.520 --> 1:20:56.719 leaves on all the trees. Get rid of all the leaves, 1:20:57.000 --> 1:20:59.759 change the temperature by thirty or forty degrees for daytime, 1:21:00.439 --> 1:21:03.360 and you've got a different system in place in terms 1:21:03.400 --> 1:21:05.840 of what the white tails trying to do. Uh, he's 1:21:05.840 --> 1:21:09.080 also in recovery mode as opposed to the mode he's 1:21:09.120 --> 1:21:11.800 in right now, which is eating everything he can because 1:21:12.400 --> 1:21:14.600 he's about to go crazy during the rut. So a 1:21:14.720 --> 1:21:18.040 lot of dynamics change there. Does that change it? Although 1:21:18.360 --> 1:21:22.280 how you actually try to pattern him like is the 1:21:22.439 --> 1:21:25.960 same kind of data. I understand that the the environmental 1:21:26.040 --> 1:21:28.559 factors are different. But when you sit down at night 1:21:28.600 --> 1:21:30.240 and try to say, Okay, what's this buck going to 1:21:30.320 --> 1:21:33.559 do tomorrow? Where should I hunt tomorrow? Are you are 1:21:33.640 --> 1:21:39.040 you weighing things differently? Are you more confident in behaviors, repeating, 1:21:39.240 --> 1:21:41.080 or anything else when you're actually trying to develop that 1:21:41.160 --> 1:21:45.000 pattern In December, I'm a little less confident, and in 1:21:45.360 --> 1:21:50.160 in December, I think December requires a much more optimized 1:21:51.040 --> 1:21:56.280 win or not win. But whether um occurrence then does 1:21:56.360 --> 1:22:00.680 October October, they seem a little more patterned bowl and 1:22:00.800 --> 1:22:05.639 a little more likely todaylight with perhaps a little less 1:22:05.680 --> 1:22:08.360 weather than in December. Man, it's got to be perfect 1:22:08.520 --> 1:22:11.479 and again I'm speaking in terms of not deer in general, 1:22:11.880 --> 1:22:14.559 but a target buck like a five six seven year 1:22:14.560 --> 1:22:17.880 old deer. Uh, they just act different in December. They're 1:22:18.040 --> 1:22:21.120 very tired. They may all of a sudden, if there's 1:22:21.120 --> 1:22:24.519 a little secondary estros, all of a sudden, you'll go 1:22:24.680 --> 1:22:27.720 do that. So you know, right now, in October you 1:22:27.800 --> 1:22:29.519 don't have much of that. December you do get a 1:22:29.560 --> 1:22:32.519 lot of it, especially if you're your herds out of balance, 1:22:32.600 --> 1:22:35.880 so that comes into play. Uh, December can be tricky, 1:22:36.760 --> 1:22:39.719 But I look back at historical patterns and I honestly 1:22:39.840 --> 1:22:43.519 like I almost preferred to Christmas and later. Like you 1:22:43.680 --> 1:22:48.519 take December third, somewhere and there all the way through 1:22:48.560 --> 1:22:50.840 the end of the season January ten, with the right 1:22:50.920 --> 1:22:53.680 weather conditions on a major thermal block, with the right 1:22:53.760 --> 1:22:55.840 food source, you're gonna go in there and see a 1:22:56.000 --> 1:22:59.559 pole of deer and possibly kill your number one target. Yeah, 1:23:00.200 --> 1:23:04.519 that does sound pretty pretty good to me. It sounds 1:23:04.560 --> 1:23:09.120 good right now. On the hot side, we can dream, 1:23:09.200 --> 1:23:10.800 we know what's in front of us, but you know, 1:23:10.880 --> 1:23:12.920 you gotta take each each day as it comes. And 1:23:13.280 --> 1:23:15.759 it's it's exactly why we did the show thirteam because 1:23:15.840 --> 1:23:19.040 so many things changed throughout the season, and as they change, 1:23:19.280 --> 1:23:22.679 our tactics have to change. Yeah, so let's let's zoom 1:23:22.680 --> 1:23:24.519 out a little bit. Let's talk a little bit more 1:23:24.600 --> 1:23:30.439 generally here again, thinking patterning deer, what is the most 1:23:30.640 --> 1:23:34.840 common or the most egregious mistake that you see other 1:23:34.960 --> 1:23:37.920 folks making when trying to pattern deer. You talked to 1:23:38.000 --> 1:23:40.760 a million deer hunters, You've been exposed to the whole 1:23:40.800 --> 1:23:44.000 community for decades. Now, what's that thing that you see 1:23:44.120 --> 1:23:47.200 keep on popping up that just makes you scratch your 1:23:47.200 --> 1:23:49.639 head or makes you want to, you know, shake somebody 1:23:49.680 --> 1:23:53.720 by the shoulders and say, don't do that anymore. I 1:23:53.840 --> 1:23:57.000 get asked this question a lot, and I answered consistently. 1:23:57.080 --> 1:23:59.479 But I'll add to this answer in this question because 1:23:59.520 --> 1:24:06.560 of the sub matter. Today, people underestimate the quarry. I 1:24:06.680 --> 1:24:11.599 think white tails are so good at living that they're 1:24:11.640 --> 1:24:14.880 almost impossible to go kill. They are so tough, and 1:24:14.960 --> 1:24:18.200 again I'm speaking of mature bucks that have been around 1:24:18.240 --> 1:24:20.799 the block. You take a six year old buck, and Buddy, 1:24:20.880 --> 1:24:23.479 he's a tough, tough son of a gun to even 1:24:23.920 --> 1:24:26.120 see during daylight. He's tough to take a picture of. 1:24:26.240 --> 1:24:28.360 He's even tougher to see, and then you got to 1:24:28.400 --> 1:24:31.640 have the capacity and the ability to kill him and 1:24:31.720 --> 1:24:33.280 then make a good shot and all the things that 1:24:33.280 --> 1:24:36.560 it's it's so hard to kill a giant. Okay, So 1:24:38.120 --> 1:24:42.000 you couple that with what all they've been through and 1:24:42.040 --> 1:24:45.640 the overall you know, health of the deer, and I 1:24:45.760 --> 1:24:50.320 think people just group deer as a deer. A buck 1:24:50.439 --> 1:24:53.400 is a buck is a buck. A deer is as 1:24:53.439 --> 1:24:56.160 good as gonna be just as healthy this year as 1:24:56.200 --> 1:25:00.040 he is next year. And I think they just the 1:25:00.200 --> 1:25:03.080 side of the fact of all the things that are 1:25:03.120 --> 1:25:06.520 affecting a white tailed deer on a daily basis. Imagine 1:25:06.600 --> 1:25:08.599 what they go through on a daily basis. First of all, 1:25:08.640 --> 1:25:11.519 we're trying to kill them. Second of all, you know, 1:25:11.640 --> 1:25:14.840 they're dealing with all these different changes, all of a sudden, 1:25:14.840 --> 1:25:17.880 as acorns everywhere one year, next year there's none. Uh, 1:25:17.960 --> 1:25:19.800 we're going through a drought. This year. You've got the 1:25:19.960 --> 1:25:23.280 h D hitting them, Kyle populations up. Holy cow, I 1:25:23.360 --> 1:25:25.679 got harned in the side. I've got an infection starting. 1:25:26.720 --> 1:25:30.360 I'm older. Oh I broke a leg. Oh oh, Trulie 1:25:30.400 --> 1:25:33.000 got hit by a car. I mean, there's a lot 1:25:33.160 --> 1:25:36.640 of different things that affect white tail behavior. And I 1:25:36.800 --> 1:25:40.320 think people gloss over that, and they look at every 1:25:40.400 --> 1:25:41.960 deer as a deer as a deer, and I think 1:25:42.000 --> 1:25:46.479 there are as different as people are um and and 1:25:47.080 --> 1:25:50.439 I will I will extend this answer into a general 1:25:51.120 --> 1:25:54.599 lack of organization. If you're trying to pattern a deer. 1:25:54.640 --> 1:25:57.000 There's nothing wrong with not being organized, because I know 1:25:57.160 --> 1:25:59.559 guys that aren't, and they go out and there they 1:25:59.680 --> 1:26:02.360 kill dandies every year because they they're just good and 1:26:02.400 --> 1:26:05.240 their prowess is good, and they're they're skillful. But I 1:26:05.360 --> 1:26:09.160 think people can help themselves if they're having an organizational 1:26:10.160 --> 1:26:13.240 trade and they keep good notes and they keep all 1:26:13.280 --> 1:26:16.360 their pictures. We all know this guy that's got a 1:26:16.439 --> 1:26:19.200 handful of SD cards and he just went through all 1:26:19.240 --> 1:26:21.120 of them and then he goes and puts them back 1:26:21.160 --> 1:26:23.519 in his cameras and he never kept one picture off. 1:26:23.560 --> 1:26:28.080 On one car cringe, there's duck, there's dust on them, 1:26:28.080 --> 1:26:31.000 they're sitting in the truck, there's soda and coffee spilt 1:26:31.080 --> 1:26:34.320 on them. You put him in the camera, they don't work. 1:26:34.439 --> 1:26:36.160 You go to the camera the next time. You didn't 1:26:36.200 --> 1:26:40.439 get any information. We all know that guy, right, And 1:26:40.520 --> 1:26:43.320 I'm not knocking that guy, because he's got every right 1:26:43.400 --> 1:26:46.320 to do that, as I have to be anal and 1:26:46.920 --> 1:26:51.920 obsessive over it. But I do think a general approach 1:26:52.080 --> 1:26:56.400 with more organization would help put people in better positions 1:26:56.560 --> 1:27:02.160 more often. Yeah, he you know that, Mark, I do 1:27:02.320 --> 1:27:05.280 know that guy taking by the shoulders. Next time you 1:27:05.360 --> 1:27:09.920 see I will. Oh. I'm curious and I don't know 1:27:09.960 --> 1:27:14.240 if there's many opportunities for you to have this happen anymore, Mark, 1:27:14.400 --> 1:27:18.640 But can you think back to the last time that 1:27:18.920 --> 1:27:23.639 you learned something from another really good deer hunter about 1:27:23.720 --> 1:27:26.960 patterning deer, so specifically about this idea of patterning deer. 1:27:27.479 --> 1:27:29.880 Is there someone you can think of who's really really 1:27:29.920 --> 1:27:32.040 good at it. Do you have that buddy that is 1:27:32.160 --> 1:27:33.960 as good or better than you at this and that 1:27:34.080 --> 1:27:36.240 you said, oh, wow, you know that's a good idea, 1:27:36.439 --> 1:27:38.679 or wow, I never thought of that. Is there anything 1:27:38.760 --> 1:27:45.040 that comes to mind? Brother Terry? Um, we talk almost 1:27:45.280 --> 1:27:50.439 daily during the deer season, and um, we just compare notes. 1:27:50.520 --> 1:27:52.640 What are your deer doing? What are you seeing? I mean, 1:27:52.680 --> 1:27:55.320 it's almost like coaches meeting or something, you know what 1:27:55.360 --> 1:27:59.000 I mean. We just talk and we pick up stuff 1:27:59.080 --> 1:28:02.880 from each other every day and I I love collective 1:28:04.360 --> 1:28:10.400 UM strategizing, so myself, Wade, Perry, it is ad nauseam 1:28:10.800 --> 1:28:16.080 for our wives Tracy Marista style like I. I think 1:28:16.160 --> 1:28:18.760 if they had shock callers with controls, they would buzz 1:28:18.840 --> 1:28:20.960 us every single dinner we have together during the deer 1:28:21.320 --> 1:28:24.160 because it is all we talk about from the moment 1:28:24.240 --> 1:28:27.000 we see each other in the morning. We're together usually 1:28:27.120 --> 1:28:29.320 ten two hours a day, every day, seven days a 1:28:29.360 --> 1:28:34.719 week deer hunt, deer season. But that collective thought comes 1:28:34.760 --> 1:28:39.360 to really good UM decision making. I do it with Terry, 1:28:39.400 --> 1:28:41.280 I do it with Wayne and Perry. I do it 1:28:41.360 --> 1:28:44.880 with Josh and Carson. I do it with matt Um. 1:28:45.720 --> 1:28:48.600 You know, Grant Woods, He's the all time goat as 1:28:48.640 --> 1:28:51.559 far as I'm concerned when it comes to dear behavior 1:28:51.680 --> 1:28:54.640 in the science of white tail deer, like Bobby Culvertson 1:28:54.800 --> 1:28:57.720 Tracker John. There's certain people in my circle that I 1:28:57.840 --> 1:29:00.200 talked to a lot, and I talked to him Um 1:29:00.320 --> 1:29:03.799 as much as I can so that I can pull information. 1:29:03.880 --> 1:29:07.280 I'm selfish, man. If there's something that somebody's gotten his mind, 1:29:07.320 --> 1:29:09.920 I want it, you know, because it's it's going to 1:29:10.040 --> 1:29:12.439 help you, and I'm happy to share it too. Like 1:29:12.680 --> 1:29:15.920 I think the more we talk and the more communication 1:29:16.000 --> 1:29:18.800 we have, the better we all get. It's why I 1:29:19.000 --> 1:29:24.880 think your podcast is so popular. Uh, you're constantly trying 1:29:24.920 --> 1:29:27.840 to teach. I think it's why, by and large, we've 1:29:27.880 --> 1:29:30.519 survived thirty three years in the outdoor industry. I say 1:29:30.520 --> 1:29:32.040 it all the time. We're not very good looking, we're 1:29:32.040 --> 1:29:35.840 not very funny. We better be informational. So um, I'm 1:29:35.880 --> 1:29:40.960 not saying you fit in that category. You know. I 1:29:41.320 --> 1:29:44.800 think if you're trying to teach and your teachers learn right, 1:29:44.880 --> 1:29:47.760 they're they're hungry for information. So I do it all 1:29:47.800 --> 1:29:50.200 the time every day. I think that what just what 1:29:50.400 --> 1:29:55.240 makes us better. And also I'm at a very interesting 1:29:55.360 --> 1:29:58.120 time in my life because I'm fifty five, and I 1:29:58.240 --> 1:30:01.839 think I forget as much every day as as I remember. 1:30:02.200 --> 1:30:04.360 So therefar there are things that Wade and Perry will 1:30:04.680 --> 1:30:07.320 tell me, you know, last year you were saying this, 1:30:07.400 --> 1:30:09.759 and I'll be like, oh, yeah, that's right. I've forgotten 1:30:09.840 --> 1:30:12.160 some of what I knew. And if people out there 1:30:12.240 --> 1:30:14.719 that are in their fifties will relate to that comment. 1:30:14.920 --> 1:30:18.439 So it's it's a little tongue in cheek, but it's honestly, 1:30:18.520 --> 1:30:21.200 there's a little truth to that. So I use these guys, 1:30:21.280 --> 1:30:23.240 I use their eyes and ears when we're in the blind, 1:30:23.560 --> 1:30:26.200 and I'm starting to use their mind to remind me, hey, 1:30:26.439 --> 1:30:30.439 what did we do in this situation when this occurred 1:30:30.560 --> 1:30:32.680 last time? And they they have better memories than I do, 1:30:32.920 --> 1:30:36.920 so uh, it's I think collective organization and collective thought 1:30:37.320 --> 1:30:39.760 is a beautiful thing and it's gonna lead you down 1:30:39.920 --> 1:30:42.600 really good paths in life, whether that be you know, 1:30:42.680 --> 1:30:44.479 in terms of deer hunting, or whether that be in 1:30:44.640 --> 1:30:47.679 terms of your business, or whether that is in terms 1:30:47.720 --> 1:30:54.960 of relationship. I love communication on all facets, sports, life, religion, politics, 1:30:55.240 --> 1:30:57.640 deer hunting, you name it. I'll sit and talk with 1:30:57.720 --> 1:31:01.160 anybody for for hours, because man, just just be the 1:31:01.200 --> 1:31:03.880 sponge out there and learn all you can. Yeah. Yeah, 1:31:03.960 --> 1:31:06.680 I love that idea of collective decision making and it's 1:31:06.800 --> 1:31:08.760 it's a lot of fun doing it that way. But 1:31:08.840 --> 1:31:11.120 then also I do think, you know, like when you're 1:31:11.160 --> 1:31:13.439 trying to figure out what this buck's pattern is, you 1:31:13.520 --> 1:31:15.960 can sometimes get stuck in your own head or stuck 1:31:16.000 --> 1:31:18.479 in your own assumptions. But if you just get one 1:31:18.520 --> 1:31:20.160 other set of eyes on it all of a sudden, 1:31:20.160 --> 1:31:22.120 they might notice the one thing that you never saw 1:31:22.200 --> 1:31:24.280 there in the corner, but actually is the key to 1:31:24.400 --> 1:31:27.080 the whole thing. So talking these things out, you know, 1:31:27.240 --> 1:31:30.320 getting other perspectives on it can help you see the 1:31:30.479 --> 1:31:32.960 larger pattern within the data sometimes. So that's such a 1:31:33.000 --> 1:31:37.400 great point. Um, absolutely open mind. Right. We also know 1:31:37.640 --> 1:31:39.960 that guy, we know that guy knows everything. You're not 1:31:40.000 --> 1:31:42.840 gonna tell him anything. You've met him, you know, And 1:31:43.680 --> 1:31:47.200 don't be that guy, you know, don't be the guy 1:31:47.400 --> 1:31:51.080 that already knows it all, because that's the me I'm 1:31:51.200 --> 1:31:53.800 learning every day I try to figure something out new. 1:31:54.400 --> 1:31:56.720 I love that collective thought because you hit the nail 1:31:56.760 --> 1:31:58.800 on the head man. You never know when somebody's gonna 1:31:58.800 --> 1:32:01.360 bring something to the party that helps the collective group. 1:32:01.800 --> 1:32:05.439 Last night, Wade shot the deer, but we all as 1:32:05.479 --> 1:32:08.040 a group killed the deer. There were a lot of 1:32:08.120 --> 1:32:11.960 different people that were involved in that moment, and we 1:32:12.080 --> 1:32:16.200 were all there when we recovered him. And that's every 1:32:16.360 --> 1:32:19.880 hunt in this camp. It takes a village and one 1:32:19.920 --> 1:32:22.800 guy shoots it, but the whole village killed it. And 1:32:23.160 --> 1:32:25.760 and and that's why it's so important to enjoy the 1:32:25.880 --> 1:32:29.040 process going through it as you lead into the hunt, 1:32:29.360 --> 1:32:32.080 and then after the hunt enjoy it together. That's what 1:32:32.200 --> 1:32:34.800 makes this sport so cool. You get emotions and and 1:32:34.960 --> 1:32:40.000 this unbelievable range of emotions and gratitude and happiness that 1:32:40.160 --> 1:32:42.400 I can't find anywhere else in life. I've been looking, 1:32:42.640 --> 1:32:44.600 but it doesn't exist. It's right out there in the 1:32:44.640 --> 1:32:48.240 great outdoors. Man. It's so cool. There's some really, really 1:32:48.280 --> 1:32:51.200 good stuff, that's for sure. I want to tie a 1:32:51.240 --> 1:32:54.599 bow on this mark with one last question, and feel 1:32:54.640 --> 1:32:56.599 free to take a second to kind of collect your 1:32:56.640 --> 1:32:58.560 thoughts on this. But if, but if we had to 1:32:58.680 --> 1:33:05.840 create right now, Mark Druries three rules to successfully patterning bucks. 1:33:05.920 --> 1:33:10.120 If you had to have three statements, three things that 1:33:10.240 --> 1:33:12.400 everyone's got to keep in mind, or that the three 1:33:12.520 --> 1:33:15.040 rules they have to follow to become as good as 1:33:15.120 --> 1:33:18.679 you are at patterning bucks, What would those three final 1:33:18.880 --> 1:33:20.719 things be that we need to keep in our heads 1:33:20.840 --> 1:33:25.920 this season. First and foremost, keep every single solid picture 1:33:26.720 --> 1:33:31.439 you can um and then study them often. So pictures 1:33:31.479 --> 1:33:34.920 are one part of the equation. Make sure that you 1:33:35.080 --> 1:33:38.280 keep them all and then every single picture you look at, 1:33:38.400 --> 1:33:42.200 ask why and then figure out why Even that two 1:33:42.280 --> 1:33:44.559 year old did what he did, and that will help 1:33:44.600 --> 1:33:48.080 you become better in the future. That's step one. Step two, 1:33:48.680 --> 1:33:51.560 be a slave to the weather and everything you do 1:33:51.800 --> 1:33:54.360 deer hunting. And I don't care if it's July one, 1:33:55.080 --> 1:33:58.719 November one, or February one. Pay attention to the weather, 1:33:59.080 --> 1:34:01.519 and pay attention to what you're doing, how it affects 1:34:01.680 --> 1:34:04.840 the deer movement, how it affects your personality, your movement, 1:34:05.320 --> 1:34:08.519 and be a slave to the weather. Uh. Number three, 1:34:09.160 --> 1:34:12.400 when it comes to patterning, bucks, start taking really detailed 1:34:12.439 --> 1:34:18.719 notes about mass crops, about um overall crop rotation, about 1:34:19.360 --> 1:34:22.760 hunters habits. That's another thing you can pattern, not necessarily 1:34:22.840 --> 1:34:27.080 the dear, when's your neighbor hunting? Uh? When am I 1:34:27.240 --> 1:34:29.760 in your hunting? Am I being too patternable for this? Dear? 1:34:30.120 --> 1:34:33.840 So analyze yourself and your environment and everyone around you 1:34:34.280 --> 1:34:36.479 as much as you analyze the deer. If you do 1:34:36.640 --> 1:34:40.760 those three things and then collectively add them all up 1:34:41.240 --> 1:34:44.559 and try to create plans for the future, you're gonna 1:34:44.560 --> 1:34:46.800 be a much better deer hunter and and and find 1:34:46.880 --> 1:34:49.880 some rewards out there that you aren't finding now. Yeah, great, 1:34:50.080 --> 1:34:53.080 great advice. I love this stuff. This is my favorite 1:34:53.120 --> 1:34:55.960 thing to talk about. So so thanks for humoring me, 1:34:56.120 --> 1:34:58.280 Mark and getting on here to talk through these things. 1:34:58.880 --> 1:35:01.080 And I want to give a one last chance to 1:35:01.400 --> 1:35:05.280 uh tell folks where they can connect with you, where 1:35:05.360 --> 1:35:06.880 they can see all the great stuff you guys are 1:35:06.920 --> 1:35:09.360 putting out. How can they find deer Cast? What do 1:35:09.400 --> 1:35:12.400 we need to know about all those things? Absolutely deer 1:35:12.439 --> 1:35:14.280 cast dot com. Best way to get it. We've got 1:35:14.320 --> 1:35:16.679 a free version. We've got a version that's just prediction, 1:35:16.800 --> 1:35:18.880 that's either nine or ten dollars. 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Our staff is 1:35:43.640 --> 1:35:46.839 doing an amazing job bringing the stories out within sometimes 1:35:46.880 --> 1:35:49.960 within hours of when the deer goes down, or of 1:35:50.080 --> 1:35:53.519 course Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, where wherever you can find there 1:35:53.600 --> 1:35:56.880 outdoors we're there and happy to happy to talk to people. 1:35:56.920 --> 1:35:59.360 We've got a team of people that are that are 1:35:59.400 --> 1:36:02.080 just the best to the industry. In in my you know, 1:36:02.320 --> 1:36:04.960 biased opinion, I just think our team is just amazing. 1:36:05.040 --> 1:36:08.760 We you take what Matt and Taylor and Josh and 1:36:08.920 --> 1:36:12.040 Carson and all our guys in St. Louis are doing, 1:36:12.120 --> 1:36:14.559 and Wade and Perry and Forest and Ben, I mean, 1:36:14.880 --> 1:36:17.960 they are really putting some unbelievable content out there for 1:36:18.080 --> 1:36:20.559 people right now to and we stay in our lane. 1:36:20.600 --> 1:36:22.639 We try to. We just stayed in our deer hunting 1:36:22.680 --> 1:36:24.280 and turkey hunting lane and we try not to get 1:36:24.320 --> 1:36:26.840 out of that. And you know, we try to love 1:36:26.960 --> 1:36:29.640 up on people as much as they've loved on us. Yeah. Well, 1:36:29.680 --> 1:36:33.120 you guys, UH continue to do world class work. I 1:36:33.360 --> 1:36:36.000 love it. I've loved it for decades. I appreciate you, Mark, 1:36:36.200 --> 1:36:39.800 and Uh. I personally appreciate you, you know, always being 1:36:39.920 --> 1:36:42.599 willing to hop on here and chat and to answer 1:36:42.640 --> 1:36:45.200 my questions and to help sew so many people out. 1:36:45.280 --> 1:36:49.360 So thank you, thank you, Thank you absolutely. Mark. You're 1:36:49.439 --> 1:36:50.800 You're not the guy at the bar that I get 1:36:50.840 --> 1:36:52.080 to see every day. You're that guy I get to 1:36:52.120 --> 1:36:55.320 talk to once or twice a year, and well, I 1:36:55.479 --> 1:36:58.479 can't wait to hear some some more stories from me 1:36:58.520 --> 1:37:01.080 down the road once you close the distance again on 1:37:01.160 --> 1:37:03.040 that big guy who evaded you the other night, or 1:37:03.160 --> 1:37:04.800 one of these other guys. So it's a good luck, 1:37:04.880 --> 1:37:07.559 my friend. I appreciate you, Mark, good luck out there. 1:37:07.600 --> 1:37:12.400 Be safe and that's a rap. Thank you for listening. 1:37:12.880 --> 1:37:15.280 I hope you enjoyed that one. I hope that you, 1:37:15.720 --> 1:37:18.040 just like me, are going to be studying some trail 1:37:18.120 --> 1:37:20.719 camera photos tonight or maybe looking back on your journal 1:37:20.760 --> 1:37:24.360 of observations and thinking, m, what is this son of 1:37:24.400 --> 1:37:27.600 a buck gonna do? I am looking forward to it. 1:37:28.040 --> 1:37:31.840 I appreciate you, dear. Season is here. This is the 1:37:31.920 --> 1:37:35.240 good stuff, my friends. I'm having a blast. I hope 1:37:35.280 --> 1:37:39.519 you are as well. And until next time, stay wired 1:37:40.320 --> 1:37:40.720 to hunt.