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Speaker 1: National Hockey League Commissioner Gary Betman, Atlanta Braves president Derk Schiller,

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Speaker 1: Patriots President Jonathan Kraft. Bloomberg Business of Sports from Bloomberg Radio. Hello,

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Speaker 1: I'm Michael Block, I'm Evan, Novie Williams, and I'm Scott.

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Speaker 1: Every week at this time, plus Mondays and Wednesdays, we

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Speaker 1: Today we sit down for a conversation with Christine lelate,

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Speaker 1: retired US soccer player and member of the U S

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Speaker 1: women's national team for twenty three years. Anyways that we

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Speaker 1: of seeing someone like, oh my gosh, these girls played

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Speaker 1: with Christine really coming up at first, let's look at

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Speaker 1: some of the top stories of the week. First, we

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Speaker 1: have word that United Airlines is offering NonStop flights catering

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Speaker 1: to the college football schedule. Bar you know, I like smart, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you just wonder why no airline has done whatever promoted this.

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Speaker 1: and the school should do this, right, shouldn't the Ohio

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Speaker 1: what's funny? Um? United. After I tweeted, I said, hey,

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Speaker 1: these flights. And I went back. I scanned the game.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, no, Syracuse game is not gonna happen. But

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Speaker 1: should be There should be programming on these planes too. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: the video montage you can get, you know, maybe a

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Speaker 1: You don't have to take a bus, you can fly.

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Speaker 1: to grow the game in its totality in essence respect Yes,

429
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Speaker 1: and along those are another quick story. Back in the

430
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Speaker 1: day when we have flights just to fly wherever, you

431
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,119
Speaker 1: would see the US women's team in middle seats, like

432
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Speaker 1: you look down the road and you see all like

433
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Speaker 1: red sweatshirts and We're like, can we just get an aisle?

434
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Speaker 1: And we laugh because like really, and I'm not sure

435
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,680
Speaker 1: what the men were flying. I'm sure it wasn't Middle

436
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,439
Speaker 1: or maybe economy at the time. I've been surprised at

437
00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,879
Speaker 1: how global, as specifically in soccer, this movement has become.

438
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Speaker 1: For for for women's equality, I mean, the best, arguably

439
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,120
Speaker 1: the best player in the world chose not to play

440
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 1: in the World Cup this year. For for Norway, Martha,

441
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 1: who is another one of the most famous, always outspoken,

442
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,639
Speaker 1: but has been very vocal. I feel like there's been

443
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Speaker 1: a lot of conversation, especially around this World Cup, about

444
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 1: what specific countries are doing, how other countries can do better,

445
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 1: looking at you know, models, whether it's the American model

446
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 1: or elsewhere, about about what can be replicated in other places.

447
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 1: That that feels like something that is a bigger asset

448
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,640
Speaker 1: for soccer than say the w n b A, which

449
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:36,479
Speaker 1: doesn't really have kind of the same global appeal and

450
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Speaker 1: and family relationships that that that soccer has. Yeah, I mean,

451
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Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know what the you know,

452
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 1: the world of women's basketball is like overall, but I think,

453
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Speaker 1: you know, the World Cup is such a big event

454
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:50,919
Speaker 1: in Soccer's the biggest sport in the world, so I

455
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 1: think it gets that attention in in itself. And I think, um,

456
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Speaker 1: with the platform we have now for just women's speaking

457
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Speaker 1: speaking up um and you know, sharing things that are

458
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,479
Speaker 1: aren't right in the world for them and giving us

459
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Speaker 1: respect and and opportunity to have these same things that

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Speaker 1: men have. And I'm not and everyone's like this and this.

461
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 1: It's just I think we just need to keep moving

462
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 1: in the right direction and looking at women and men

463
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Speaker 1: as people instead of just as is a female. And

464
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Speaker 1: that's a mail. I'm wondering in your book, what part

465
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Speaker 1: does gender dynamics play in teamwork? I was always told

466
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Speaker 1: growing up that women work better together in groups than men.

467
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Speaker 1: Ego gets in the way. What did you address that

468
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Speaker 1: at all? Did you uncover any of that? You know,

469
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Speaker 1: we didn't. The book Powerhouse is based on the success

470
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Speaker 1: of the U S team and sharing tactics that that

471
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Speaker 1: we used to help us be successful. That any organization

472
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 1: is which ones would be applicable to business? Oh well,

473
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Speaker 1: everything everything in the book. I mean, you talk about leadership,

474
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,120
Speaker 1: you're talking about chemistry, you're talking about ethos, setting your foundation.

475
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 1: What does leadership but leadership, what does that mean? I

476
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 1: always go to Sons to remember that. That's Phil Jackson

477
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 1: gave Kobe Bryant sun Sus the Art of War and

478
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 1: he didn't tell him why. He wanted him to come

479
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 1: up with it himself. And in essence the message, if

480
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 1: you're the general and it's a rainstorm outside, you can't

481
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 1: have a tent while everybody else sleeps in the rain.

482
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: They will not follow you. So what does leadership give me?

483
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Speaker 1: The concrete in the soccer term, Yeah, well I think, um,

484
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: I think you look at Anson Dorriant who started it,

485
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,679
Speaker 1: was the second coach on the national team set the

486
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,719
Speaker 1: said it for our team, um, the foundation the very beginning.

487
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 1: You know, we play for each other and that was

488
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Speaker 1: a common thing. And Carla Overback, our captain of the team,

489
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 1: she was the perfect leader in essence, just what you're

490
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Speaker 1: talking about. If we're going to go to practice and

491
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Speaker 1: there's a ball bag, she didn't walk by it and

492
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Speaker 1: wait for someone else to pick it up. She picked

493
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Speaker 1: it up. So our leader was doing the things that

494
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Speaker 1: she was expecting of all of us. So when when

495
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: you had a choice of whether all I'm not going

496
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Speaker 1: to get that cote, but then you see your your

497
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: captain doing that, You're like, you better do it. So

498
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Speaker 1: the example set by someone you're looking up to and

499
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Speaker 1: earning the respect of um is huge, and then that

500
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Speaker 1: builds a co marauderie around informal leaders for say, underneath

501
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 1: Carla to really reiterate what we're trying to do together

502
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Speaker 1: as a team. The book also includes interviews with non

503
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Speaker 1: athletes Ray Marissa Mayor, the former CEO of Yeah, Who

504
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 1: are the things that you saw? I mean big, big

505
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,719
Speaker 1: differences between kind of how the corporate leadership structure work

506
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: versus how leadership in soccer works. Well, when I was

507
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 1: listening to that conversation with her, it was basically it

508
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 1: was she had they're always had time for open communication,

509
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 1: so you can share your your thoughts and then present them.

510
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: You know, they weren't always gonna take them, but they

511
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Speaker 1: wanted to hear him. In that long line of twenty Chico,

512
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 1: we used to have leadership meetings and the leadership would

513
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Speaker 1: come in five of us and we'd share some information.

514
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: He's like, I hear you, but I don't agree with you.

515
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 1: So and there are times where it's like, Okay, that

516
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: makes sense, So I think I didn't definitely parallel to

517
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Speaker 1: the business world than anything to do. But communication is

518
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: one of the most important things. Have to have it

519
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: going on good dialogue, And we can see in the

520
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Speaker 1: US game, um uh last game when our goalkeeper listener

521
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Speaker 1: and Becky said our and had a little miscommunication and

522
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,439
Speaker 1: a goal. But they came through and they reorganized and

523
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: they both stepped up. So there can be some sides

524
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Speaker 1: where it goes down, but then also helps you be

525
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Speaker 1: more successful. Does US just have more talent? Right now?

526
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: US is very talented, very talented, plus the intangibles we're

527
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Speaker 1: talking about, which is what makes them better or I'm

528
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 1: really wonderful. Is it just the talent difference that even

529
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: if they hated each other, they could still win, well,

530
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 1: they could possibly win, but when they continue to win.

531
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Speaker 1: And I think that's what our book was so important

532
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 1: using the US team because it wasn't just one time.

533
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Speaker 1: I mean from seven to two thousand ten when I played,

534
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Speaker 1: we played. I played in five World Cups, three Olympics,

535
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Speaker 1: and the lowest I we the US team came was

536
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Speaker 1: in third place. So we constantly we were in the

537
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: top three world and all eight big events. So yeah,

538
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 1: you could probably win maybe once, but do you want

539
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 1: if you want to continue to win, you have to

540
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 1: build that ethos, that chemistry, that connectiveness together um and

541
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Speaker 1: that mentality and to do what's right in the same process.

542
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: It seems like the byproduct also of you have your

543
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Speaker 1: team leaders generally the older players, and they're indoctrinating the

544
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: younger players, and that's that system of how to is

545
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: one that just continues to pass itself down because now

546
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 1: now you've got Alex Morgan and now you have your

547
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: even younger players after that, most definitely, and it's important.

548
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Speaker 1: I remember being a young player on the team and

549
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: I'm I remember first five years. I was just like okay, yes, okay.

550
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: I didn't say anything. I listened to everything. I did

551
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 1: what I needed to do, picked up things for the

552
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: older people, and I was like, okay, I'm gonna make

553
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 1: sure I take it, take it all in. And then

554
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: you become the veteran or the growing person in the

555
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: business world and the green and I'm familiar with it.

556
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: We all are, and you got to give back and

557
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: you got to show them what it takes. And I

558
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: think at the highest level of the U S team,

559
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: you're competing all the time you're competing for your position.

560
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: You're never said I had twenty three years, but every

561
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: year I knew I could lose my job like that.

562
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: So you're competing for a position then also bringing success

563
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:00,959
Speaker 1: to a team, and that's a really did you ever

564
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: get to the point where you were helping a younger

565
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: person who might take your job? Um? Yeah, and that

566
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: someone did it for me, then I did take her job,

567
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: and so in the book. But that's what it was about.

568
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 1: It was about success of the team. It wasn't necessary

569
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: about individual. Obviously you wanted to be on that team

570
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: or in the starting lineup, but if you weren't, okay,

571
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 1: Now your choice is to be grumpy and or like, Okay,

572
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: this is my new position. I'm going to support it.

573
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,199
Speaker 1: I'm gonna support my team and find the role that's

574
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Speaker 1: going to help this team and be successful. I want

575
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Speaker 1: to talk a bit about professional soccer in the US,

576
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: specifically for for women. UM. First question, do you feel

577
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: as though, I mean, there's a lot of European clubs,

578
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: big rich clubs are now investing more and more money

579
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: in the in their in their women's clubs. Is there

580
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: a risk right now for the US being this dominant

581
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: power on the international stage, but but suddenly missing out

582
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: on the push to to to really become the best

583
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: US professional country as well. I think so, and um,

584
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Speaker 1: I think it's just come a where and when all

585
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: these real Madrid's going to have a women's team, the

586
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,479
Speaker 1: Spanish league, UM, the French have had it, um, Sweden

587
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: has had a league. England's really getting the support financial dollars,

588
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: and I think, um, I'm afraid that's what's going to

589
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: happen here in the States. And I think when I

590
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: when you think of soccer, it's such a global game,

591
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: and obviously in the States it's here, but it's still

592
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: bigger everywhere else. And I think this is what's happening

593
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: in the rest of the world with the the success

594
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: of these um, these other countries like England and their

595
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: backing them and being like, okay, let's make this the

596
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: best league. And and all some of our players have

597
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: already gone and played in France a bit, um, but

598
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: we need them here to help this leap. But then

599
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: we also need that financial mess. So so what if

600
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: you if they ask you kind of what your advice

601
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: was in terms of how to how to kind of

602
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: help fix what we have right now? Is it investment

603
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: from corporations? Is it media buy in? Is it is it?

604
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: Does it have to come from fans to more? People

605
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: just have to buy tickets? I mean, what's the all

606
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: of it? Unfortunately, yeah, And I think the tickets to choose.

607
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: And and it's the season's March to September October. Um,

608
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: it's the summer months where people are unstable in their homes,

609
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: everyone's vacation here and there, So I think that plays

610
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: a role. But I think visible being visible, you gotta

611
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: get the spots on TV. You gotta get where it's

612
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: constantly seen over and again. Um. And it's got to grow.

613
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: I mean it's like do the chickens eggs confers chickens, Like,

614
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: we need all these components, but we need them together

615
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: to help the sport grow. And and we're seven years

616
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: in so we're still young, and it's growing pains more

617
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: so than the failures. I think. I feel. I feel

618
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: as if you see the young girls out there and

619
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: young boys, it's it's more than a simmer, not quite

620
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: a boil, but it's there. It is. So you would

621
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: think that when you have the potential for that many

622
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: eyeballs and if I just bring it down to dollars

623
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: and cents future consumers, somebody more than somebody would rush

624
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: in to fill that void. But nobody's rushing. It's it's this,

625
00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: it's this march. I guess I I agree, and I think, um,

626
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: we're all kind of feeling that and trying to figel

627
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: out what's what's the niche here where? What do we

628
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: need to when do we need to break here to

629
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: get to that boiling state of everything? Because a lot

630
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: of kids are playing the game, Um, it's there, they

631
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: are watching it on TV, um, the Premier League. I

632
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: mean the fact that there's so much soccer on in

633
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: the US on Tuesday, Wednesday and Saturday Sunday. It's incredible

634
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: from when I was growing up and now, like I said,

635
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: it's the visibility. And if we keep the women's game

636
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: still visible out there for people to see instead of

637
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: just the World Cup every four years or the Olympics, UM,

638
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: then that helps. Have you had enough support from the

639
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: top male players there? I think I think so. I think, um,

640
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: ay banging the drums here, no, but I think that

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Speaker 1: the man on there are side are just trying to

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Speaker 1: their focus is there? I mean I I don't know

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Speaker 1: what there their words will do. I mean the support

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Speaker 1: obviously would be great to hear more so that you

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Speaker 1: know the women. Um, but I UM, but I don't

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Speaker 1: know how consistent that can be. We have always the

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Speaker 1: list of top paid athletes and what's what is the

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Speaker 1: ceiling if there is one? For Alex Morgan? I mean

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Speaker 1: she has she had what one? Why has she? That

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Speaker 1: opens up I think another conversation, But why has she

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Speaker 1: and where can she go? Oh? I think it's just well,

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Speaker 1: I think first off, the game has given her this opportunity,

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Speaker 1: So her playing as long as she can, I think

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Speaker 1: well will help. Um, I don't think it's necessarily think

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Speaker 1: she's branched off in so many different avenues with books,

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Speaker 1: a movie, um, different sponsorships that she she has and

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Speaker 1: businesses that she's and hopefully she's were advised well to

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Speaker 1: be That's what everyone's trying to do. One you don't

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Speaker 1: just stick to one teen pole. One begets the next

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Speaker 1: gets the next. Yeah, everybody should have a podcast, a

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Speaker 1: little mini docuseries, a book, a cooking show. And I

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Speaker 1: mean that that's what it's And I think on for

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Speaker 1: if if a man wants two World Cups and two

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Speaker 1: ends meet? You know? So I think it's different so

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Speaker 1: that we're looking to make a living. So and then

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Speaker 1: the window you have on the national team, it could

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Speaker 1: sense their brands A lot of the top players now,

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Speaker 1: their brands have staying power. I think they do. And

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Speaker 1: I think that due to social media and I think

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Speaker 1: where society is with everything, and I think it's wonderful.

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, some of them are starting a

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Speaker 1: clothing business. You know, there's all different avenues that there

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Speaker 1: are reaching and and that's looking at the bigger picture

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Speaker 1: for them. And but I think what they have to

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Speaker 1: remember right now, they gotta win against friends. But because

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Speaker 1: I think that's what they want, like they the other stuff.

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Speaker 1: They of course it's going to continue, but in their

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Speaker 1: heart to heart, they want to win this world because

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Speaker 1: it's all predicated on that. Youve got to be the

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Speaker 1: best in the world. And that's that, per say, is

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Speaker 1: not necessarily in the men's world. You don't have to

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Speaker 1: You know. Messi hasn't won a World Cup in his life,

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Speaker 1: and I mean, obviously the pro leagues are different, but

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Speaker 1: on the women's side, it's like, we gotta win in

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Speaker 1: order to make money. I took my son to see

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Speaker 1: Even the best miss sometimes? Well, I explained that, but

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Speaker 1: do you want a good time? Just keep keep an

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Speaker 1: eye on that conversation. I actually want to go back

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Speaker 1: to something you just said about the popularity and in

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Speaker 1: retirement if you had had the same success. I don't factually,

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Speaker 1: but I feel anecdotally I think women soccer players are

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Speaker 1: so much more famous in the US than men's soccer players.

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Speaker 1: If you were to ask an average nobody, I can

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Speaker 1: name so and not just because the World Cup is

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Speaker 1: happening right now, but even going back, I can. I

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Speaker 1: can name so many more female US soccer players, and

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Speaker 1: I can mail US soccer players, um. But it is

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Speaker 1: interesting to me that that the I guess, the commercial

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Speaker 1: opportunities really aren't there. I mean, I think is more

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Speaker 1: And I would say the same about Mia Hamm and

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Speaker 1: a number of There's just so many brand household names

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Speaker 1: in women's soccer that don't exist in the men's game

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Speaker 1: at all. Oh yeah, I agree, And I think partly

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Speaker 1: I think the success helps that you know that we've won.

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Speaker 1: But I also think we spent a lot of our

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Speaker 1: career promoting not ourselves with the team like we're out

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Speaker 1: like in the beginning the night and our World Cup,

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Speaker 1: we spent fourteen months promoting that World Cup. We were

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Speaker 1: doing autographs, we were doing sneak attacks, you know. So

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Speaker 1: we're out there selling the game of soccer, not just

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Speaker 1: ourselves with the game. And when we became household names

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Speaker 1: after the ninety nine and then obviously this team is

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Speaker 1: everyone knows the majority of this team and and the

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Speaker 1: success has has a huge driven part of it. I think,

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Speaker 1: what could there be a barn storming tour? But who

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Speaker 1: do you play? You need somebody to play all the time. Well,

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Speaker 1: funny even then that when we won in ninety nine,

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Speaker 1: um US Soccer wasn't gonna They wanted to take us

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Speaker 1: to Africa and play us. There were like we just

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Speaker 1: wont how are we not growing the game? And we

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Speaker 1: did a tour indoor tour with Discovery Channel and Toys

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Speaker 1: r US sponsored it and we went around and we

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Speaker 1: getting local people to play against or some guys and

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Speaker 1: we played a game and tons of people came and

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Speaker 1: that's how we made money. So we had to organized

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Speaker 1: that size venue was it was indoor rink, indoor like

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Speaker 1: ice drink. And now when you see the women, when

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Speaker 1: the women win and they have a victory tour and

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Speaker 1: they go around, that's because US Soccer fund is like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's do this. How big is that window? I mean

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Speaker 1: we saw it four years ago after the women beat Pan.

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Speaker 1: How if if the if the US women win again

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Speaker 1: in France this year? How how big is kind of

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Speaker 1: the honeymoon window where the iron is so hot? For

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Speaker 1: I think it's would be a nice window this time.

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Speaker 1: I definitely do. I think there's there is just so

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Speaker 1: much more support from the businesses and organizations and companies

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Speaker 1: that want to get behind this group. And I mean

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Speaker 1: look in in fifteen when they had the parade here

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Speaker 1: in New York. You know, I think society's we're ready

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Speaker 1: for this. Last question for I know you've been watching

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Speaker 1: all the US games obviously, I know you're heading to

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Speaker 1: France at the end of the week. When you watched

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Speaker 1: the Thailand game in the beginning, thirteen goals and and

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Speaker 1: the way the celebrations unfolded, was there any controversy in

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Speaker 1: your mind or do you think that that was that

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Speaker 1: was that That's not how I taught you, ladies. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know the start of it. The goal differential makes

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Speaker 1: a difference. So goal number itself, I understand. Um, if

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Speaker 1: it's your first goal and ever in the world Cup.

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Speaker 1: I totally understand the World Cup feeling, sclets everything. Maybe

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Speaker 1: a couple of just a little bit a little high five,

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Speaker 1: been there, done it, you know, have that. But in

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Speaker 1: the end, but they also this is where they've lived,

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Speaker 1: this is how they are, That's how their personalities are,

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Speaker 1: and how they celebrate with with not just their team,

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Speaker 1: with the fans. Awesome, Christine, Lily, thank you for coming in.

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Speaker 1: I'm struck by and been just how little the players

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Speaker 1: knew when they started playing soccer. Christine was like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they said, signed this contract. I said, sure, no problem.

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Speaker 1: And then she said I didn't realize I was signing

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Speaker 1: why she didn't have an agent. She doesn't think any

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Speaker 1: entity like US Soccer throwing a contract in front of

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Speaker 1: a player, let me sign it. I don't know. Ten

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Speaker 1: dollars a day, no bagels after practice, even though the

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Speaker 1: men had food after practice. And then there's the anecdote

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Speaker 1: that you and I both loved. Yeah, the that idea

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Speaker 1: of sitting in on a plane looking down the center

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Speaker 1: the aisle and the window and seeing just red red

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Speaker 1: hooded sweatshirts and every single one because as you know,

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Speaker 1: and I know because you know I live it, the

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Speaker 1: the plane. I think that's a that's a great visual.

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Speaker 1: Another thing I took away I'm really interested by as

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Speaker 1: the women's game grows more commercially. You know, these women's

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Speaker 1: here in the US, they're tremendously famous. You know, they

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Speaker 1: are more famous than even I would think, you know,

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Speaker 1: Alex Morgan is more famous than Christian policy MEA, hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm still resonates that that's what you need. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's what you need to know, absolutely. But but even

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Speaker 1: you know, looking forward to seeing how this World Cup

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Speaker 1: the women's national team is going to have more more

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Speaker 1: How fast that goes around? I was Drew Brees, I'd

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