WEBVTT - Who’s Leading the Blacks? | MiniPod 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:02.840 Natively in Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:04.279 with Reason Choice Media. 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:07.040 Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:11.520 Welcome, Welcome, Hey, Angela, Tiffany, and Andrew. My name is 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:13.040 Dev Myers, and I have a question. 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:15.320 This question has. 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:19.840 Been on my mind for some time now, but you know, 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:22.720 it's definitely come to the forefront due to this new 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:28.680 administration and just continued reminders that this the system that 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:31.080 we built was not made for us, even though we 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:34.600 put in the work. My question is, should we as 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:39.520 black people come together and make a collective effort to 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:44.440 try and establish a majority in a state. I think 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:46.840 that the reason why this question is even coming up 0:00:47.200 --> 0:00:50.680 for me is that, you know, we did really well 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:56.000 in are you know, local spaces, whether it's city council, 0:00:56.160 --> 0:01:00.160 mayor but those powers are pretty limited. While it it's 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:02.720 a good thing that we're doing that, right, I think 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:06.800 we should really think about us as black people securing 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:09.120 a majority in a state because it does come with 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:14.240 a lot of power, right, even more even so dwindling 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:19.360 or limiting the harmful effects of oppressive policies from the 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:22.959 federal government. So I just want to ask you, it's 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:25.800 just something that you guys think we should discuss as leaders? 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:27.840 Should this be on the table? 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:31.559 Thank you, Welcome home y'all to the mini pod. 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:35.080 We had Dev Meyers, our viewer, kick us off with 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:37.960 a poigt question. So if you heard this week's podcast, 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:41.120 you heard us talk about who exactly are our leaders? 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:43.160 It came up organically and Angela said we should do 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:46.559 our minipod on that. So I thought no better time 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:49.320 than to do this now and to have one of 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:52.640 our viewer questions kick off the conversation. I got to say, 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:57.600 Angela Andrew, I love this question. The interesting thing is 0:01:57.960 --> 0:02:03.000 we we there is no states where black people are 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:06.240 the majority, but there are states where people of color 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:13.680 make up the majority. They call them majority minority states. 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:16.120 But it does speak to because let's say, okay, we 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:19.600 build a little Wakanda right here in America. Who are 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:23.639 we electing president as this Wakanda? Who is our Wakandan cabinet? 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:26.120 So I don't really have an answer. I have thoughts 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:29.120 about us being a leaderless community, but I want to 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:32.200 hear from the president and the chief staff of the Blacks, 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:35.280 Angela Raie, and what she got to say about it. 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:37.640 A nice try. Negro This was on you because in 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:41.720 the last podcast you said who are our leaders? So 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:43.399 I was like, oh, Tip, I want to know who 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:44.360 you say the leaders are. 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:44.799 I don't. 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:47.359 I cannot think of somebody who I would say this 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:50.440 is the leader for black people. And I think the 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:54.480 reason why Angela and I'm Andrews because when we look 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:57.760 at the civil rights movement, right we could name, you know, there, 0:02:57.760 --> 0:02:59.840 I would say probably twenty leaders that we could say 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:01.920 were the people who were leading movements. 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:06.120 I think as our. 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:10.640 Rights expanded and now they're shrinking as we built wealth 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:15.120 amongst ourselves that later was stolen the cycle we go on, 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:21.240 our interests disaggregated, and social media democratized who has a voice. 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:26.400 So then everyone became leaders in their own right, and 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:30.440 some people became so seduced by the idea of being 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:34.280 a leader but not actually building change. 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:37.040 So I think we're at this moment. 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:41.840 I don't know if there's a single person who should 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:45.560 wear the crown and take on that responsibility. I think 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:48.360 there are people who lead different things. I think Latasha 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:52.520 Brown who runs Black Voters Matter. If there were a 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:55.280 cabinet position of you got to go out and mobilize 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:59.360 people or you're the chief administrator of love. Then I 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:03.640 would say, Tasha, is that just because the mainstream outlets don't, 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:07.280 you know, profile her on sixty minutes, you all should know, 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:10.160 like the work that she has done tirelessly for decades, 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:13.000 she is a You cannot tell the story of America 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:15.320 without telling without involving Natasha Brown in that. 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:17.880 So I say she's a leader. I think you guys 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:19.000 are leaders. 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:21.560 We talked in the main podcast about Andrew founding Yeo 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:24.960 Young elected officials that you know. I think that cast 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:28.880 a wide net of influence across our local politics. Angela, 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:31.680 I've written about you. I have the pleasure of being 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:34.080 your friend for a couple of decades. But I think 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:37.400 you changed the way I know you've done a lot more. 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:40.200 I'm just talking about in media. You changed the way 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:42.960 that people consume media because for so long people didn't 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:47.279 see themselves reflected. I think you added significant ratings to 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:47.919 CNN and. 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:48.719 Brought people in. 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.440 That was the cake that you gave them so they 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:54.320 could eat the broccoli later. But people started paying attention 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:59.080 to politics because you made the message so so digestible 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:01.760 and so plain, and because you weren't for the bullshit 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:03.880 when you were sitting across from people, so that positioned 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:05.960 you to be a leader. You use that platform and 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:08.920 then do other things you had already. You were already 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:13.280 a leader on Capitol Hill, not just in the professional positions, 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:15.960 but you came to make change. You know, you build 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:20.400 impact strategies, so you're you're a leader. I've certainly tried 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:23.720 to be a leader and lead things in my capacity 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:27.120 in journalism by starting products, building newsrooms. 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:30.240 So I don't know that we can have one one leader. 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:31.400 But maybe I'm wrong. 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:33.480 I like that. I mean I was actually going to 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:39.279 challenge the assertion that we needed a personality individual to follow. 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:43.559 I think the model of leadership has evolved over over time, 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:49.360 and as the mediums have expanded, people are getting information 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:54.440 in different ways through different platforms. We got to cover 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:57.360 all the turf. But before I before I go there 0:05:57.400 --> 0:06:00.839 to make a point on the leader or not a leader, 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:04.760 I just want to respectfully say to the brother, this 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:07.240 is the list of states in this order that we 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:10.279 need to go take over. District of Columbia, where we 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:14.400 are already forty four percent of the population, Mississippi, where 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:19.159 we're thirty eight percent of the population, losing Anna thirty 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:24.159 three percent, Georgia thirty three percent, the state of Maryland 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:28.040 thirty two percent. That's a plurality when you're talking about 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:32.760 elections and trying to move the direction. And the crazy 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:34.880 thing about this, y'all, With the exception of the District 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:40.640 of Columbia and Maryland, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Georgia are all 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:46.280 states led by deep, deep red conservative elected officials at 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:50.479 every at the various levels, from the courts to the 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:54.680 governor's mansion to the legislative arms. If we were able 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:58.239 to not only show up in these states but also 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:03.120 be registered and then active the vote, man change change 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:07.480 the political map, it totally shifts it. Right. So there's 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:10.800 some strategy that should and could go into whether or 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:13.520 not there were places right here in this land here 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:17.880 that we cultivated where we can actually take on a state, 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:21.080 and those three states Mississippi, Louisiana, and Georgia would be 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:25.320 perfect when you consider that we would shift, we would 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:28.640 turn over the table on the political map and the 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:35.720 electoral college map that right now increasingly is cutting black 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:38.200 people out of it, cutting impact out of it. 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:39.960 That's what I have someone to say about pioneering, But 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:42.760 I want to hear. Sorry, I'm sorry, Andrew, I was rude. 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:44.920 I arge you, but I don't want to. I want 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:46.520 to say something about pioneering, but I want and a 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:48.880 little way in on this leadership question. But Andrew, don't 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:50.960 let me forget because what you just lay down with 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:52.760 that list I got thoughts. We'll go ahead, and Angel 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:55.400 I'm sorry. 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:56.480 I hope we go all the way there. And then 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:00.760 finally I'll just say I love the fact that maybe 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:03.920 we can't name just one leader. I would just love 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:08.440 for the leaders, wherever they are in their respective places 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:12.080 and whatever they're leading, that they actually step up, speak 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:16.640 truth to power and take us somewhere. Because if you're 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:19.840 not bringing some folks along, you're a man or a 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:20.640 woman taking a walk. 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:25.760 As they say, come on Chinese proverb. I you know first, 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:27.440 I want to just add I would love to know 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:29.960 what Alabama's numbers are too, because you didn't name them. 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:32.880 So I'm just curious how far behind they are in 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:36.000 our overall demographic and is it the demographic of voting 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:40.160 age people or is it the black demographic period Curious 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:40.920 about those. 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:46.080 Those percentages were black percentage of the population in those days, 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:47.679 five percent, not necessarily. 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:50.440 According to the US SenSys, the black population is twenty 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:53.440 six point six percent in Alabama. 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:56.600 Interesting. I would wouldn't have thought it would be that different. 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:00.760 But I guess you know what is fascinating to me 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:03.920 about this moment, Like I agree with you guys obviously, 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:05.760 Like even when you go back and look at the 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:08.360 Civil rights era, sure, doctor King was the face of 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:10.600 the movement, but I think that if he were alive today, 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:13.360 he would tell us there was a whole group of 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:16.480 folks who were actively engaged, and even if they weren't 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:20.520 all under the same umbrella, they were marching literally towards 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:24.080 the same goal I am. I wonder though, like if 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:27.120 we were put in a position where they said, you know, 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:29.959 if it's the Trump administration, since they're in power now, 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:33.400 they're like, hey, we need one spokesperson for black people, 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:37.880 who's going I think that would turn into battle Royale. 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:40.120 But I would love to know, Like, if you had 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:42.320 to give me your top five list, who you send it. 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:46.440 And I'm also curious about if you only had one 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:49.960 call to make to you know, like a black leader, 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:53.240 like to represent your national interests, who are you calling? 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:56.320 Why does that matter? I think that we have to 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:59.120 get to a point where not only were we just 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:02.960 picked one, but if groups of us are picking one person, 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:06.280 then we have a table. We have a kitchen cabinet, 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:09.160 a board of advisors of folks who are authorized to 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:12.120 make moves on our behalf. When you consider, I mean, 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:13.880 I don't even know if they were deputized or not, 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:15.600 if they just kind of took charge. But when you 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:22.600 consider what happened in eighteen sixty five when the Secretary 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:26.400 of War and General Stanton went into Savannah, Georgia to 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:30.880 talk to Garrison Fraser nineteen ministers. So at that point, 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:34.319 the church is where leadership existed for the black community. 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:37.640 They negotiated what the terms of our freedom would be 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:41.400 on the other side of emancipation, the Emancipation Proclamation. And 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:44.400 it wasn't because there was, you know, this edict that 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:47.440 came down from President Lincoln at the time. It's because 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:50.160 there was just a massacre that they were like, oh, 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:52.480 we got it was so consider George Floyd of eighteen 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:54.199 sixty five, but it was a bunch of black folks 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:56.679 that got killed at a river, right Like when you 0:10:56.760 --> 0:10:59.439 consider that there were nineteen of them. Even then at 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:02.320 the table, we are a communal people, so it's not 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:04.560 like we really need to pick a singular leader. But 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:06.839 if we had to have our starting five or the 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:09.240 folks who were going to beat the other team at 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:11.600 the All Star Game, Tiff, I know you appreciate those 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:13.760 analogies of our residents first expert. 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:18.000 What who who. 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:23.600 We put in a game like this. 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:26.480 Is an ongoing conversation. I love that question. I would 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:28.480 love to hear from the audience too. 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:36.840 Well. 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:38.200 I want to make sure we're asking correctly. 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:43.480 You're saying you're top five leaders, Like if you send it, 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:44.800 but who's that? 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:45.040 Like? 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:47.559 If the president says, send me the top five leaders, 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:50.040 you don't have to be this president, any leader of 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:50.480 the nation. 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:53.319 No, I think I think it should be this predident, Okay, 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:56.920 especially because it's ultra inflammatory, because then then if you 0:11:56.960 --> 0:11:59.160 think about all of his rhetoric, he's definitely the one 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:02.040 that would be like, I need the one black. Who's 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:04.800 the one black? I'm not talking to all you one black? 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:07.360 So if you if everybody had one black and we 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:09.080 knew we were gonna have to narrow down from this 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:11.760 top five, who's on your top five? I like that 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:14.000 once you got your your one if you got your one, 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:16.640 sending your one, But like right now, you know a 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:19.120 lot of people. I think, especially when when I was 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:23.439 the CBC executive director, Russia Black Hacke's executive director, we 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:26.960 caught so much heat anytime we push back against President Obama, 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:28.680 I think there are a lot of people would say 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:32.199 President Obama. To Andrew's point from the last podcast we 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:35.080 were teasing this, a lot of people might say, Michelle Obama, 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:37.400 what are your whys? Like, what are the things that 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:40.319 they're leading where you're saying this makes them the authority 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:42.040 on black America. I'm not just talking about them time. 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:45.400 If you say Reverend Sharpton or Jesse Jackson Senior, or 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:49.280 you say resurrect doctor King, or if you'd say, actually 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:52.400 like Revend Bernice King or Corey Booker's my guy, or 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:55.360 you know, I like Hakeem Jeffers, Jeffers, he seems to 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:59.040 represent my interests, or you know doctor Umar, I want. 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:00.240 To know about. 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:04.280 I like the question I would probably answer, I'm not 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:08.040 gonna I'm not going to no. No, this is this 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:10.680 is what I would say. I would say. I have 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:15.160 said there are characteristics that I wanted a negotiating room 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:17.760 if what we're doing is sending a group of people 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:21.160 to negotiate with the president. I can tell you two 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:24.480 individuals that I want to two characteristics. I want one. 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:28.800 I want the person who speaks the language of the 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:33.160 person we're negotiating with, right they they know the subtext 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:38.640 and somebody call it also the diplomat. And I also 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:42.520 want the hail raiser in the room. And because I 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:45.439 need the I need the person who we are negotiating 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:49.440 with to know that you can deal with this, you 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:52.480 can deal with that. 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:56.280 That just saying with Engineine. 0:13:57.080 --> 0:14:00.520 Some other things that would come he would be would 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:02.319 be how I would make that. 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:07.960 I honestly I pick it up, pick it up. I'm 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:09.040 actually not kidding. 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:11.120 I really Angela would definitely be on my top five, 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:14.400 but I need more thought into a more comprehensive list. 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:16.439 And especially if you. 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:18.839 Got one call to make, like me and my friend 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:22.280 are our friend Albert, we always joke I. 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:24.520 Was like, something happened to me calling Angela Rye. Yeah, 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:26.360 I would say that, so I you. 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:28.000 Would definitely be in my top five, but I need 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:29.640 more time to think. I have to we have to 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:31.440 revisit the conversation because I need more time. 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:33.640 I would let me tell you. Let me tell you, guys, 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:36.000 I think I agree with Andrew. Like Andrew for me 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:38.040 is my resident diplomat. 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:39.440 Want Andrew? You got your top five? Randy? 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:42.440 Sure? No, I well maybe, but I will, I say, 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:45.160 I definitely want Andrew. I don't know which one, but 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:48.400 I would want a faith leader who comes to mind 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:52.360 for me right now is Reverend Haines Freddy Haynes. I 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:56.600 love Reverend Barber too. 0:14:56.520 --> 0:15:00.560 Dang, we all have places. No, no, no, no, I. 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:04.400 Know Reverend Barber is a good one though too. I 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:06.240 appreciate this too. But I think if we were going 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:09.320 to have a meeting about the needs of the whole, 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:11.360 like all of America, I would have Reverend Barbara on 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:14.000 that one. I think for Black America, I'm picking pretty hang, okay, 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:18.880 I think I would want like a black intellectual. So 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:21.280 somebody that record represents academia. 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:26.520 You say, you're not saying who or do you not? 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:28.320 I know, but I'm trying. I tried to give you 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:29.800 a name, and then you threw another name, and I 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:30.920 was like, oh, that's a good one. But then I 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:34.160 had to retrack. If I had to pick a black academician, 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:42.280 I would pick see I'd be trying to make a point. 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:45.160 So the person I'm thinking about is the Harvard president 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:48.720 they got rid of day day. Yeah, I would want 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:50.720 I want to do that just because it would be like, yeah, 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:52.040 you thought you was gonna take her out of Harvard, 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:54.280 but she's in the most important room, you know that 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:57.200 kind of a thing. And then I want, like, if 0:15:57.240 --> 0:15:58.880 there was a way to I don't even know she 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:00.920 well she would have to like violate some rule to 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:03.680 do this, probably, But if there was a way to 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:07.680 have someone go and make the constitutional arguments that we 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:09.640 need to be made, I would want it to be 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:11.440 the good sister Katanji Brown Jackson. 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:14.920 I know you're gonna say her win her Cowie with 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:18.080 the calorie shells our requirement in fact, can you wear 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:18.960 a Cowie suit? 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:23.840 And then I would want a business leader at the 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:27.080 table that can make the economic arguments. And so my 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:29.760 business leader that I would pick because I trust him 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:31.480 and I know he's always had our back when we're 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:33.160 looking we don't is Robert Smith? 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:39.240 Well, how many do I have life? 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:41.440 I don't have enough women? 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:44.320 Oh I had to Well, you reserve a right to 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:47.320 come back with a more comprehensive list because. 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:50.200 Well, I feel like civil rights also needs to be represented. 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:53.080 And I'll tell you that my battle on that right 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:57.880 now is that it feels like a lot of the organizations. 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:01.520 Oh you know who I would pick. He's not over 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:06.040 the organization anymore, but one of my favorite people to 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:09.960 learn from, to listen to on strategy. Oh, I gotta 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:13.040 have two. It's two of them. Actually, I call them 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:16.399 my siblings. That's for Shot Robinson and Alicia Garza. And 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:18.639 damn it, I have not even left out Latasha. I 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:19.680 need to get to combine with you. 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:24.440 We still need to squad just outside the room. 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:28.520 I need you to be in there. So you go 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:33.520 a report out exact, come back to read out. We 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:34.440 have to read out. 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:36.320 We'll give this some thought, mate. I hope we can 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:37.120 do this next week. 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:39.760 This is really hard, and then a week to figure 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:41.919 it out. This this is my last thing, I promise. 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:43.480 I just want to think. I want us to think 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:47.000 about how historically people who didn't always get the national 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:53.359 recognition had some tremendous impact. People always go to Maynard 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:56.960 Jackson about what he did for Atlanta in terms of 0:17:57.080 --> 0:18:00.960 creating black wealth. That yeah, multi generation, and so I 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:03.680 also think it's important for us to stop making it 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:07.920 seem like the platform on which you stand determines the 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:10.320 impact and the quality of your leadership. That is not 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:12.920 always true. And it also is not true that just 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:15.680 because you have a platform that you are also a leader. 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:18.159 So I love that. I mean, at least in my opinion. 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:20.200 That doesn't mean I'm not meaning to influence with the 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:22.920 audience fills. But from my perspective, I think it's important. 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:26.440 I think the price of leadership is responsibility, and everything 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:28.080 with the platform is not responsible. 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:32.840 Okay, y'all are seeing this on Monday, drop your top 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:36.840 five to answer Angela's question and we will have our 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:39.320 that's our homework. We'll get our top five and then 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:41.040 we'll come back and neither discuss this on the main 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:43.080 you're going to answer this question. 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:55.800 From a single leader leader, Well, we have always looked. 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:58.000 In fact, you can go any church any Sunday and folks, 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:00.399 well where the leader at? Where is our And I 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:04.680 just want us to resist this Eurocentric model of leadership 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:08.320 that it has to be, you know, this sort of 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:10.760 the survival of the fittest type. This is the Donald 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:16.159 Trump mold, the strong man you know, parody really that 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:22.120 he parodies. We as a community are so complex, diverse, incredible, 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:23.159 whatever it is. 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:23.879 You know. 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:28.560 I love the fact that we are thinking about this 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:30.879 in the way of how the community shows up in 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:35.000 this space. Yeah, and not how one person shows up 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:38.320 in the space. That weight. That weight is just too 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:39.120 heavy for one. 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:39.560 Yeah. 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:42.919 I just want to close this out really quickly by 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:46.320 saying something about pioneering, because that is what it will 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:49.680 take to the viewers question. It will take us being 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:54.200 willing to uproot and go establish community in some of 0:19:54.280 --> 0:19:56.200 these places. And if we did that all across the 0:19:56.280 --> 0:19:58.240 Bible Belt and in the South, we could literally change 0:19:58.240 --> 0:19:59.679 the electoral map of this country. 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:03.440 I want to shout out Michael Harriet, who is doing 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:03.840 just that. 0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:07.840 Michael Harriet, And I'm saying this because he's talked about 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:09.520 it and he's going to be writing about it. 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:12.360 You all know he's a brilliant writer. But he bought. 0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:16.280 Acres of land in the Deep South and when I 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:20.520 tell you, looking at his property, he could build fifty houses, 0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:25.560 a school, and a hospital on the He bought a plantation. 0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:29.480 It was a former plantation and he bought it and 0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:33.840 it is like it is the blackest place I've ever 0:20:34.000 --> 0:20:36.399 been and it is beautiful and you can literally the 0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:40.280 slave quarters are still intact on the ground. I mean, 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:42.639 it's like going back in time and he's turned it 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:45.320 into this beautiful safe space. So it just got me 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:47.399 thinking when I was down there, like, yes, that's what 0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:50.159 it would take. And if the acres of land are 0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:54.320 not expensive in the Bible Belt, and imagine if a 0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:57.320 hundred of us said, yeah, we're going to go to 0:20:57.440 --> 0:21:01.119 Mississippi and buy land and we can't trust the infrastructure here, 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:03.520 so we're gonna build our own schools, We're gonna establish 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:06.119 our own community. I hate to be a Debbie Downer, 0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:07.919