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Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much everybody for joining us on

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Speaker 1: this amazing park Opper episode. I say it every week,

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Speaker 1: and I say it every week, and I say it

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Speaker 1: every week. Magical, amazing, incredible episode. But we keep getting

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Speaker 1: these guests that are just the best, whether they're in

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Speaker 1: front of the camera, They've written the script, they directed,

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Speaker 1: in this case, created two of the most popular shows

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Speaker 2: That changed the channel. They ibserved the channel into being

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Speaker 2: what we all love the Channel as it is today

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Speaker 2: like this with these were two big, big, big, big projects.

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Speaker 1: I would argue one of them helped to change the

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Speaker 1: channel and the other one changed all of pop culture. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's huge, huge, what this man is responsible for.

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Speaker 1: And we're so honored to have him here. We're not

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Speaker 1: just awesome and I'm so glad it's here. So can

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Speaker 1: you please help us welcome the creator of not only

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Speaker 1: that So Raven, but a little show called Hannah Montana

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Speaker 1: Michael Porrez. Hello, Hello, are you. I'm fine? Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for joining us.

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Speaker 3: Wow, my pleasure. I even wore my Hannah hat.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 3: I dove off a little bit and all of that.

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Speaker 1: I love that. Well, don't put on a different color.

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Speaker 1: We might not recognize you.

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Speaker 3: That's true.

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Speaker 1: So we just reviewed the Hand of Montana movie, and

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Speaker 1: how this juggernaut not only changed the channel but changed

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Speaker 1: all of pop culture. Really, I mean it became a job,

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Speaker 1: but it really did. I mean, it became It's put

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Speaker 1: it this way. I had I'd never seen the show.

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Speaker 1: start with our guests of how did you find Hollywood?

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Speaker 3: You know, it was always a part of me. My

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Speaker 3: And even before that, I'm related to my mother's name

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Speaker 3: In fact, Michael Tilson Thomas, the famous conductor, is a

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Speaker 3: remember something called the Bowery Boys.

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Speaker 3: it was always in me. I thought, you know, good

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the first and I was doing that. It

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Speaker 3: Literally twenty six people left with him, and I was

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Speaker 1: Oh man, maybe this isn't for me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe God is finally saying, do you get the message?

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Speaker 3: Barney Miller. I did, oh great show, which I adored

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Speaker 2: Telling me you had the like iconic Hollywood dream when

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Speaker 3: and six years later, you know, I got my first opportunity.

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Speaker 1: Now, do you mind if I asked not to? You said,

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Speaker 2: And I remember them. There was always a big picture

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Speaker 1: I'm a television fanatic, So.

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Speaker 3: My my my first actual credits were like different strokes

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Speaker 3: call a show called Love Sydney.

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Speaker 3: I had Tony Randall in it. Alice did one there,

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Speaker 2: Yeah? And you and you get a chance to implement

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean and what I mean, what what a

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Speaker 3: can we talk to you guys for a minute, and

436
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 3: Billy Ray wants to come in audition, and it was

437
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 3: like a lot of us were kind of going like.

438
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:43,199
Speaker 1: Oh, he's way too old to play Hannah Montana.

439
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly him. We were going like, oh, come on,

440
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 3: we don't want Achy breaking Heart to be the dad

441
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 3: we're going to be able to act, you know, And

442
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 3: and we said sure, shared delighted, and he came in

443
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 3: and to our surprise, absolutely nailed it.

444
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 2: Wow.

445
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 3: But even more than that, he got Miley from Here

446
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 3: to hear Oh right, because you can't buy that chemistry?

447
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: No, you can't. Is it?

448
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 3: Was it?

449
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 1: Daniella Monet? Yes, Okay, there we go. I was looking

450
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: back at my notes. There was a number of people

451
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: that audition for Hannah Montana that were have gone on

452
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: to do huge things.

453
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,199
Speaker 2: Jojo is one of them, and she was a like

454
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 2: she had a mega hit at that point.

455
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

456
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: Wasn't Ali from Ali and Aj one of them as well?

457
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: I thought I thought Ali might have been one, or

458
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: I'm not quite she.

459
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 2: Would have been perfect age at that time.

460
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 3: Hundreds, Yeah, I know.

461
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 2: I can't even imagine how many you guys auditioned because

462
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 2: I was around with the Cheetah Girls as this was

463
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 2: I was at the upfront when Hannah Montana got introduced

464
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 2: to you know, the world industry, in the world, and

465
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 2: I mean it was the energy of everyone, Gary Marsh,

466
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 2: every single person that was there from everyone was so amped,

467
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 2: like they had this like heavy hitter into the game.

468
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 2: This was like gonna blow up the world, and it did,

469
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 2: so I know, even just the audition process had to

470
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 2: have been grueling. You guys saw probably everyone that had

471
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 2: an agent at that point.

472
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was an exciting time. But you know, and

473
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 3: I kind of missed that, this is when the ideas

474
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 3: that were generated over there were It was about the idea.

475
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 3: It was about discovering new talent. Wasn't about redoing anything

476
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 3: or playing anything safe. Everything they had took a chance,

477
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 3: right High School Musical took a big chance that was

478
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 3: incredibly courageous, and all the stars lined up because we

479
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 3: premiered right after they did. It wasn't by design. You know,

480
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 3: you had these two things that came out of a

481
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 3: box and what like that, and that set the stage

482
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 3: for Hannah that just it just picked that up and

483
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 3: what like that. Yeah, it was really quite exciting.

484
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 2: Well it was also Hannah itself was really courageous too,

485
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 2: in the sense that Disney had not done to think

486
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 2: of an episodic type show and having a music, big

487
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 2: performance type aspect was I know, something that they were

488
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 2: really concerned on how they were going to pull that off,

489
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 2: you know, with budget and how to how to do that.

490
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 2: And I remember that being a thing as it was

491
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 2: going around, and the end result was great. I mean

492
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 2: it was it made sense. It was like you know,

493
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 2: but that was a big thing because they hadn't done

494
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 2: a big musical production outside of that point from the movies.

495
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 2: It was not done on a show at that point.

496
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 3: The thing that I wanted to bring to it is,

497
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 3: you know, hey, let's do something about a music star

498
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 3: and isn't it great to be famous and out in

499
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 3: the world. And as I said, where I come from

500
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 3: is I think that's that's fine, but it's not relatable.

501
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,479
Speaker 3: It's not a human condition, you know, And so was

502
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 3: born Well, what if that's a secret and she wants

503
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 3: to be treated like a regular girl, And what if

504
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 3: that was because when she was starting to get famous,

505
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 3: she had a best friend at the time that started

506
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 3: to treat her differently, right, and that friendship went confluently

507
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 3: when and so that's why Hannah the whole split personality

508
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 3: was born. That's far more interesting. You know. Right now,

509
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 3: I'm going to a lot of colleges and stuff and

510
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 3: guesting talking about Hannah, and you know, these you know,

511
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 3: really smart people come up to me and go, you

512
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 3: don't know what it meant to me? Yeah, thisisode. I

513
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 3: was going through this and this and this, and then

514
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 3: I saw that episode and she can get through that.

515
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 3: I can get through that, you know, was like, oh

516
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 3: my god, it's at all the work developing stories the

517
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 3: way we did paid off. Yeah.

518
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: Well, I mean here's a perfect example. So I'm obviously

519
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: I am a forty eight year old man. I had

520
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: not watched Hannah Montana growing up. I did not. I

521
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: knew I knew what it was because again it was

522
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: in the zeitgeist, but I'd never seen it before. So

523
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: we had just watched the movie, and I, being the

524
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: curmudgeon that I am, I have had a difficult time

525
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: getting over the fact that no one recognized her when

526
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: she just put on a wig. Okay, Superman right exactly. So,

527
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,239
Speaker 1: as I'm saying this on the podcast, we have a

528
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: chat going next to us of all the producers. I

529
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: had five or six producers that were all all women

530
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: and all the right age, writing in how could you

531
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: be thinking this? This is what we I mean, just

532
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: jumping to the defense of Hannah Montana. This meant so

533
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: much to people, it did. It meant so much to people.

534
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 2: It really did change Ada.

535
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 3: I'll tell you and well maybe it's a known story,

536
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 3: but it might be an unknown story, but I'm going

537
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 3: to tell it anyway. Please at the end without mentioning names,

538
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 3: Disney wanted us to wrap up the end by saying

539
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 3: that Miley Cyrus wakes up and there's Billy and her

540
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 3: real mom, and she says, I just had this crazy dream, okay,

541
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 3: and that was Hannah Montana, right okay? And I said, no.

542
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: No, what.

543
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 3: You can't do that. You know, the fans and everybody

544
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,239
Speaker 3: that it meant so much to to tell them it

545
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 3: was all a dream is wrong. I want to send

546
00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 3: the message that there's start of end, there's college, and

547
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 3: you know which one do you pick? And I wanted

548
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 3: her to pick college because you can always go back

549
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 3: start him or whatever. And I will say to you

550
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 3: that it came down to one person which way that

551
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 3: was going to go right, because Disney really wanted their

552
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 3: way right and I really wanted my way. The deciding

553
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 3: factor was Miley. Yeah, Miley said, I'll go either way,

554
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 3: but I I I whatever Michael wants right. And it

555
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 3: was really quite something.

556
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 4: You know.

557
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 3: You had this girl stand up and and really take

558
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 3: a thing, and so she gave me what I wanted

559
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,719
Speaker 3: and what it was in my head and that's why

560
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 3: it ended that way.

561
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: That's wonderful. Now, was there ever pushback by Disney or

562
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: anybody at the beginning about the wig, like you got

563
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: to change her look more than just the wig or

564
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: the way. If you saw the pilot I did.

565
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 3: The pilot had the worst wig in it. It was

566
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 3: so bad they cheaped out. So I was crazy because

567
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 3: that wig looked like she was like what a like?

568
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 3: You know, all she needed was she was a fifty

569
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 3: year old chorus girl doing in Vegas, you know, but.

570
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 2: We appreciate that about the movie. The wig in the

571
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 2: movie was so good.

572
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: It was a good wig.

573
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 2: It was a good and the.

574
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 3: Wig in the series, for the most part, was a

575
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 3: really good wig. They went from spending one hundred and

576
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 3: fifty dollars, right, who I think the wig in the series,

577
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 3: and so they had to get a couple of them.

578
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 3: Might have been at the time fifteen hundred, yeah, something

579
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 3: like that. Yeah, and so they finally had a good wig,

580
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 3: but the wig and they got almighty. The wig in

581
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 3: the pilot was awesome.

582
00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 2: Did you guys when you shot that first season? The

583
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 2: performances were obviously all shot in one or two days

584
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 2: or whatever whatever, but they were together, right, she did

585
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 2: one routine after another. Was that that that was later

586
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 2: on because that wig was even better than the actual

587
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 2: pilot pilot wig, the one that's in the opening credits

588
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 2: and then when she comes out and doesn't quickly that

589
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 2: was later on in the season, right, Yeah, just the

590
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 2: episode with the wig, the one wig.

591
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we actually got the first four or five

592
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 3: episodes not in front of an audience.

593
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 2: Oh, really want the.

594
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 3: Kids to get used to each other. And so then

595
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 3: when we were super in front of the audience, and

596
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 3: that was like the fifth or sixth episode, everything just.

597
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right, there's nothing like the energy of an

598
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: audience show.

599
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 3: No. But the one thing that we you know, I

600
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 3: had a whole lot of fun teaching Miley was had

601
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 3: a hold, you know, and how to listen and how

602
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 3: to wait for that laugh. She was so eager. She

603
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 3: knew everybody's lines, and so when somebody was talking to her,

604
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 3: she wasn't listening to what they were saying. She was going,

605
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 3: when they're done, I get to talk.

606
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so she wasn't putting expression on her face

607
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 4: and reacting and knowing, you know, you've got your line,

608
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 4: the camera's on you.

609
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 3: You're in control, right. It's like getting ready to make

610
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 3: the punch, you know, but you've got to really feel it.

611
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 3: I had this thing with her where I would go

612
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 3: out and I would say, Okay, I'm going to make

613
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 3: it simple. I want you to listen to the person talking.

614
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 3: I want to see your expression, your attitude on your

615
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 3: face about what you think about what they're saying, right,

616
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 3: and then I want you to say your line, because

617
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 3: if you do all those things, your line's crazy. You're

618
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 3: going to get the laugh. It's crazy. This is the

619
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 3: important stuff. It's like, you know, building a house on

620
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 3: a really bad foundation, or building it on a good foundation.

621
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 3: So listening expression, that's a great foundation. So when you

622
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 3: say that line, you done nail it right. And she

623
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 3: finally got it to a point where I would go,

624
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 3: I'd be starting getting out of my chair to go

625
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 3: on to the set, and she'd say, I know, and

626
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 3: I would come back and sit down. That's it.

627
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 2: Wow. It seems like she was just really ready to

628
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 2: be a sponge and absorb everything that she could, learn,

629
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 2: everything that she could to keep going. She had such

630
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 2: huge dreams, but she knew that she had to get

631
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 2: steps to get there.

632
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 3: You know. She seems she was living the life of

633
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 3: the character. Yeah, where she was living. You know, as

634
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 3: it got more popular and more popular, you have more

635
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 3: false friends, Yeah, coming out of the woodwork treatingly.

636
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 5: You know.

637
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 3: And you know, it was smart of her because what

638
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 3: her parents were saying, what I was saying to her

639
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 3: was hold onto the people that knew you before.

640
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: Yep, right, hugely important, right.

641
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 3: That treat you like like, go, okay, you're a star.

642
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 3: That's nice. Yeah, I'm exec producing the biggest show in

643
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 3: kids television, and I have friends of mine that are

644
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 3: still saying, oh shut.

645
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: Up, yeah, yeah, really those are and those are the

646
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: friends that are always going to be there, and there's

647
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: still ones that matter. Well, you said, as you were

648
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: getting more popular, when did you realize what the show was.

649
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,919
Speaker 3: I realized that in the first reason, Oh did you when?

650
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 3: And it wasn't the show. It was going to the

651
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 3: first concert, okay. And when you walked out and you

652
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 3: heard the screams, I've never heard something that loud and

653
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 3: that high pitched and that and you look and you

654
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 3: went like, oh my god.

655
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 2: And you look around and every single kid has seven

656
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 2: pieces of.

657
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 6: Merchandise, like not one shirt, like an adults like the bandana,

658
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 6: the lantern, the book, the everything, until.

659
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 3: You've heard that sound and when that is when I

660
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 3: really realized what it was. Yeah, before that.

661
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: But I mean the number the numbers for the channel

662
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: were monster, weren't they They were right out of the

663
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: gate massive.

664
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 2: But it felt like everyone at the channel knew this

665
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 2: was going to happen. I mean, yes, there was a gamble,

666
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 2: but it just seemed like everyone was behind it and

667
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 2: believed in this brand that they were about to kick off.

668
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: They all just felt it was right and it was

669
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 2: the right timing and it was just set up so well.

670
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 2: And I mean, now that you've explained why, it's like, wow, yeah,

671
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, you guys, And then continued to

672
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 2: have a ton of guest stars.

673
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I wanted to ask you about it.

674
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: I'd like to name a couple guest stars for you,

675
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: if that's okay, and I'd like you to tell me

676
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: if you remember what it was like to work with them.

677
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: So we've got to start with one of the greatest

678
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: of all time, Dolly Parton.

679
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 3: Fabulous. You know a lot of people are are different

680
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 3: when you there, and they're not their personas sure everything

681
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 3: you expect Dolly Parton would be. She wash, that's wonderful.

682
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 3: It was the sweetest person all she said whenever it

683
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 3: was saying, So what can we get you? Can we

684
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 3: have anything in your dressing room? Can we get you flowers?

685
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 3: Can we better? You want some makeup, you want to

686
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 3: work anything? You want? Anything you want, right, darling, all

687
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 3: I need is a dressing room in a toilet. Yes,

688
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 3: that was it. She got everything else. She was delightful,

689
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 3: not a bad thing to say. She is everything you

690
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 3: think she would be, not to disappointing at all. She

691
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 3: was great.

692
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,240
Speaker 1: So how about Selena Gomez.

693
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 3: Selena Gomez was then pretty darn shy.

694
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: Really, I don't believe that.

695
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 2: I can believe that.

696
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know you would give her notes and

697
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 3: would be very quiet and what have you. And she

698
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 3: went and she did her thing. She she didn't have

699
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 3: any I don't know if she was a star really

700
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 3: when she was on. Her show was just starting, but

701
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 3: there was no attitude or anything. She was Again, my

702
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 3: memory was she was just very very quiet and the

703
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 3: opposite of my I think she was a little nervous

704
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 3: because her show was just starting and she's on this show. Yeah,

705
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 3: but I don't have anything. I didn't really get to

706
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 3: know her all that well. But she seemed like a

707
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 3: sweet kid.

708
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: How about the Jonahs brothers.

709
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 3: Jonah's brothers were all nice, you know, they were all

710
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 3: nice guys. Yeah, you know, quite honestly acting.

711
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: You know, but they they're rock stars.

712
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, they didn't come with any attitude, you know, if

713
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 3: you had a note, why don't you try this? Or that.

714
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 3: They were very nice to do it, but acting wise,

715
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 3: you know, not the not the best ones. And I

716
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 3: think they all knew it right.

717
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. They I feel like they were so realistic of

718
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 2: again wanting to wanting to learn, how taking notes, how

719
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 2: can I be better? Absolutely?

720
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 3: And also a very very solid family.

721
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 1: Yeah that's hugely important, which is very very important. Am

722
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: I getting this right, was Larry David on the show?

723
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 3: Yeah?

724
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: What was that? Like?

725
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 3: That was great? You know, he's he called Steve Peterman,

726
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 3: who I was co running the show with, and they

727
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 3: he wanted tickets, you know, to come with his daughter

728
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 3: see the show. And maybe it sent up down on

729
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 3: stet and all this.

730
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it.

731
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 3: Was just I think Curb was in the first year,

732
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 3: two three years, something like that. And then Steve says,

733
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 3: what you want to be on the show? You know,

734
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:20,919
Speaker 3: and by the recounting was what you know, wait a minute, wait,

735
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 3: wait wait yeah, well, well can you be on the

736
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 3: show here? We can write you in something. Well, I

737
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 3: have Curb, I have Curb, I have Curb. Give me

738
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 3: a minute, give me, I'll call you back. Right. He

739
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 3: changed his whole schedule for right to come with his

740
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 3: two daughters to guest star on the show. And you

741
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 3: know the bit was, you know, he's waiting and I

742
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 3: think a Chinese restaurant with his two daughters in embarrassing right.

743
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know it was a kick.

744
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 3: I mean, you have this guy who's fricking genius, yeah

745
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 3: to your show asking you do you have a line

746
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 3: here for you?

747
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: That would be great?

748
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 2: Wow?

749
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: And what about finally the rock.

750
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 3: Oh my god, the sweetest Oh thank you God, you

751
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 3: just saved Sabrina right there, he would have ripped up

752
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 3: like a girl. We had makeup, we had nails, and

753
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 3: he did anything we wanted.

754
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: Oh that's great, anything you want.

755
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 2: I can't. Oh man, you.

756
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: Would have risen. You would have just crushed Sabrina.

757
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 2: Oh no, I love him so much.

758
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 3: He was nowhere. I mean, I can tell you some

759
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 3: people that were poles. Now there's one, right, I gotta

760
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 3: know doctor Phil really absolutely.

761
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's a shame.

762
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 3: You can talk to anybody in the car with my

763
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 3: doing the scene. Miley tried to make small talk with him.

764
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 3: He didn't engage. Oh wow, why are you here? Yeah,

765
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 3: this was not a nice man, and maybe there was

766
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 3: something else going on. But you're you're around kids. This

767
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 3: should be fun.

768
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 2: This is a kid, Yeah, like bring the kid with

769
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 2: This list also has Austin Butler. So it had to

770
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 2: have been when he was on the like very beginning

771
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 2: of his career, right.

772
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 3: I don't remember what did he I don't know, I

773
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 3: don't know.

774
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 2: It had to have been when he was really young.

775
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 3: I'll tell you another jet. Well, Vicky Lawrence terrific on Prior.

776
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 3: What a sweetheart, brilliant, just a total sweetheart. But I'll

777
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 3: give you one of my favorite stories. And he wasn't

778
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 3: on the show, but he brought his kid, Sylvester Stallone.

779
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 5: You're kidding, Oh my gosh, the show and he said

780
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 5: to me, you know, well, I gotta, I gotta, I

781
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 5: gotta tell you, he said.

782
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 3: Finally, finally I did something that impresses my kids. Oh

783
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 3: my god, this is.

784
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:16,720
Speaker 1: Twice.

785
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 3: Come on, I'm finally doing something.

786
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 1: My whole life I was Cobra.

787
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 2: So I do have to ask, because I remember, you know,

788
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 2: the energy and things that were going on during this time.

789
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,720
Speaker 2: But what was it like during the Vanity Fair controversy

790
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 2: and it was such a big deal. Was that stressful

791
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 2: for you guys, you know, for the shows, like the

792
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 2: writers and keeping like the integrity of what you guys

793
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 2: had built at that point for the brand.

794
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 3: It wasn't. We just kept doing what we did. Did

795
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 3: I like it? Not? Really? Yeah, because it kind of

796
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 3: flew in the face of the brand that was going on.

797
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 3: But that's the kind of thing I stayed out of

798
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 3: and I let them Disney and the parents handle that.

799
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 3: Did I agree with it? Not No, not really. Did

800
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 3: I let that invade and infect and you know, did

801
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 3: I project that I was disappointed in Miley or anything

802
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 3: like that? No? Did I lay more more of the

803
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 3: responsibility on her parents?

804
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 2: Yeah?

805
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you have to.

806
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 3: I had to move on and do my job and

807
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 3: be there for her and all that. Like I said,

808
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,959
Speaker 3: on my side, I got what I wanted. I can't

809
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 3: control what happens when I'm not on my.

810
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 2: Set, right, Yeah, I think there is a point of allowing.

811
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 2: You know, I'm sure you became a parental figure for

812
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 2: a mentor, and there is a part of of that

813
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 2: age that she's just in. When you're working with kids

814
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,760
Speaker 2: that are becoming teenagers into their adulthood, right, it probably

815
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 2: felt like you had to let her go and make choices,

816
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,479
Speaker 2: and whether they were mistakes or not.

817
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 3: You know, and look at the big effect that had nothing.

818
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: That's the thing. If anything, it did exactly one thing

819
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: you wanted to do.

820
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 6: Yeah.

821
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: I mean sure, there's a lot of those quote unquote

822
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: Disney kids that want to break away from the Disney

823
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: image and they'll do it in a big, splashy way,

824
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 1: and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I know,

825
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: other Disney kids that have done nudity or that kind

826
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: of thing, and it does it backfires, It just doesn't.

827
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 3: You know. It's an interesting thing. You know. Miley is

828
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 3: really instinctively smart, right, and so when you look at

829
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 3: what she's doing, there's thought behind it.

830
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 6: Yeah.

831
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, And she's really smart and she makes her moves

832
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 3: and you can see by how she has led her

833
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 3: career up and up and up and up in the

834
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 3: songs that she's doing and the choices she's making, and

835
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 3: it's like, wow, way good for you, because so few

836
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 3: that that hit that kind of stardom don't keep their

837
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 3: heads on straight. Yeah she is. She is completely in

838
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:19,240
Speaker 3: charge of her career.

839
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, she definitely is. So I have a question

840
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: for you. Wait, love that you've been spending this much

841
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: time with us. So one of the things we like

842
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: we like to ask is it's your series you've got

843
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: you did four seasons. Is there a favorite episode that

844
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 1: you have is the one that sticks out for you

845
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: as that's my favorite one?

846
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:47,240
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you know, there's an episode that sticks sticks

847
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 3: out to me because it's so I'm most proud of it. Okay,

848
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 3: in the last season and we did an episode about

849
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 3: the military and about military families and Miley going out

850
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 3: with a guy who kept I think not Jake, it

851
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 3: was the other one going out with a guy that

852
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 3: kept canceling on her right, and she got in a

853
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 3: little bit of a snitty fit about it. And then

854
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,439
Speaker 3: we find out the reason he kept canceling on her

855
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,919
Speaker 3: is his dad is in the military overseas and when

856
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 3: he calls, he has to drop everything and take the call. Yeah. Right,

857
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 3: And it was the about an appreciation, that appreciation of

858
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 3: military families and the next time you see a kid

859
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 3: who has a parent overseas serving, maybe you'll have a

860
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:51,240
Speaker 3: little bit more appreciation for it. Miley sang my favorite

861
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 3: song was written by chen Nieman called bin Here. All along,

862
00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:01,760
Speaker 3: we had real families on the set. We had real

863
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 3: soldiers talking to the family and delivering messages, and it

864
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 3: hit me that, you know, we're doing an episode. We're

865
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 3: doing a children's program, a kids and family program. What

866
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 3: other program could have done that story? Yeah, where you're

867
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 3: doing something it's about something so serious and we can

868
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 3: still be funny, but we're in the we're at a

869
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:36,399
Speaker 3: level where when our audience watched that show and they

870
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 3: now have this kid who seems military or that or

871
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:44,439
Speaker 3: what have you, that they have a far larger appreciation

872
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 3: for the sacrifice not only of the parent that's in

873
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 3: the military, but of what the family goes through. That's

874
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 3: the I'm most proud of.

875
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: That amazing by the way, the care we just found

876
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: out again from one of our mega fans producers that

877
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:01,919
Speaker 1: the character's name was Jesse.

878
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 3: That's it. I will also tell you that where I'm

879
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 3: most proud of Miley the performance she made that I

880
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 3: just thought was like Lucille ball time, right, it was

881
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 3: so good. We did an episode I forget what it

882
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 3: was in second or third season about her getting paid

883
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 3: a lot of money to advertise a product she hates. Oh,

884
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 3: and we also established that when Miley lies, the character

885
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 3: Miley Stewart lies, she just sweats just a little bit,

886
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 3: just a little bit, right. And now she's on this

887
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,280
Speaker 3: Larry King kind of show and Larry King is asking

888
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 3: about this product and she's starting to say how oh

889
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 3: I love it and this and the other thing, and

890
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 3: she starts to sweat from under the wig, right, And

891
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 3: we said to her, smells like teens sellout that you know.

892
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 3: He said to her, no matter what happens, until you

893
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 3: hear the director, you'll cut you keep going right, and

894
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 3: so we turned it up right. He was coming down,

895
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 3: she was, you know, with a going and stayed in character.

896
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 3: I was falling off my chair so much because very

897
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 3: few could just stay, stay there, stay there. This was

898
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 3: Lucy oldball and.

899
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: And rather chocolate chocolates, and it's why.

900
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 3: It's I just adored that. That just sort of said, Okay,

901
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 3: she's there, she's got it. Yeah, nothing we can do.

902
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Well, before we say goodbye to you, because

903
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 1: this has been amazing again, I could hear television history

904
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 1: stories for my entire life. I love this one of

905
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 1: my favorite things. Ever, what do you hope new fans,

906
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:18,280
Speaker 1: because of streaming it comes around, it's never gone anymore.

907
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,280
Speaker 1: What do you hope new fans take away from Annah Montana?

908
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 3: Well, you know, the exciting things about new fans for

909
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 3: me is that they like it as much as the

910
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 3: old fans liked them, and they're getting the same messages.

911
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 3: Because one of the things that I was really a

912
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 3: stickler on is I didn't want to do anything that

913
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 3: was dated. I didn't want to do anything that was

914
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 3: of the time politically or socially. I just wanted to

915
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 3: do universal truths that were true when I was growing

916
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 3: up and today and tomorrow, and just stayed with things

917
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 3: that were incredibly solid and relatable. So I think the

918
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 3: reason fans today really like it is it's it speaks

919
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 3: to those fundamentals that are in all twelve year olds, yeah,

920
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 3: and eight year olds and nine year olds and ten

921
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 3: year olds. So you know, I'm just I love the

922
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 3: fact that it's finding another audience. I think it's so cool.

923
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 2: Yeah it is. And now the new audience, a lot

924
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 2: of them probably have parents that were pans of it,

925
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 2: and this is another like it's just like a two

926
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 2: generational home happening. And they also have the stories of

927
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 2: the grandparents telling them how they went and took their

928
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 2: parents to a Miley Cyrus concert, you know what I mean.

929
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 3: It's like, I mean all of those I mean I

930
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 3: still get comments from just my time on say by

931
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 3: the Bell, which was a big show for a lot

932
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:48,399
Speaker 3: of people.

933
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:54,919
Speaker 2: Short absolutely yeah, wow, well, thank you yes so much

934
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 2: for joining us.

935
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 1: This has been really really cool. I've enjoyed it a lot,

936
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: learning the kind of behind the scenes, and I just

937
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 1: have to get out of my own way when it

938
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: comes to the wig. That's just me in my own way.

939
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 1: That's all it is.

940
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 3: I get it. Just a pilot, well, that's all that was.

941
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 3: And then they spent a little money on a.

942
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: Bed and then you're fine, Well, thank you so much

943
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: for joining.

944
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:25,720
Speaker 2: Us, Congratulations for doing I mean, yeah, that's a raven.

945
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 2: Hannah Montana, like we said, d legend, they let they

946
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 2: change the channel. They like groundbreaking with with you know

947
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 2: everything with that's a raven and then Hannah Montana it

948
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 2: translated into pop culture of itself and it just was.

949
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 3: You know, what's it's you know, it's a writer creators

950
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 3: dream to get aboard something like that. It was really

951
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:48,800
Speaker 3: the highlight of my career. Really.

952
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 1: Well, well, thank you so much. We'd love to have

953
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: you back sometime. Yes, we want because I feel like

954
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:56,359
Speaker 1: there's a lot more stories we want to is okay, good,

955
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Thank you, Aye.

956
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 2: Man.

957
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,839
Speaker 1: I was literally texting with producer Jensen before about how

958
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 1: I could listen to stories like that all day, all day,

959
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: all day, from all the from Barney Miller, all the

960
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: way on different strokes. I could just sit there and

961
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: listen to the stories the other of my favorite Hollywood

962
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: television stories ever, so I mean.

963
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 2: What an evolution of him having you know, however much

964
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 2: power and say when it came to certain things. So

965
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 2: then what he got to do when it got to

966
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 2: his time on hand in Montana and how much control

967
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 2: and how much I mean, think about that mentor aspect

968
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 2: of it getting put on Miley and Miley looking at

969
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 2: him and going what do you want?

970
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: What do you want to do? This was what do

971
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: you want to do? Yeah, yeah, I'm here because of you.

972
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:44,919
Speaker 1: What do you want?

973
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 3: Right?

974
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 2: And she by the time the show ended, think of

975
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 2: the explosive like fandom she had. I mean, the star

976
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 2: that she could have was. She could have just taken

977
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 2: it and said this is what I want? Yeah, and

978
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 2: instead she gave it to him.

979
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,040
Speaker 1: She could have said the most ridiculous thing in the

980
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 1: world and they would have been like, you got it, Okay.

981
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: She's like, no, no, this is he did this. What

982
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 1: do you want to know? Yeah? Thank you so much

983
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 1: for joining us, Michael, and thank you all for joining

984
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: us to get a little bit of a behind the

985
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: scenes to look at just how it's done. You know,

986
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: you get me. This is from from the actual creator

987
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: point of view, not a write, not just a writer,

988
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 1: but somebody who created the entire thing.

989
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 2: And the Hollywood dream does come true. Guys get water

990
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 2: job do it for six years? And Sealer.

991
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and originally about a Jewish girl from from New Jersey.

992
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: The original Hannah Montana about a Jewish girl from New Jersey. Wow,

993
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: so cool. Well, thank you everybody so much for joining us.

994
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: And don't forget because I think if I'm not mistaken,

995
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 1: which I probably am because I normally am, but actually

996
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: I think this time I'm not. The next movie we're

997
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: going to be doing is what can be considered kind

998
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: of the first d com ever. But there's a big

999
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: there's a big check mark next to it because uh,

1000
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: there there are some some questionable people. There's some people

1001
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: out there wondering if this is true or not. But

1002
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 1: it is kind of to some people considered the first

1003
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: ever dcom. We're doing next, which is nineteen ninety seven's

1004
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 1: Northern Lights starring Diane Keaton, So make sure to check

1005
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: out that review as well, And thank you so much

1006
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: for joining us. And when I take off my headphones,

1007
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: Jack again for just after talking to him, I h

1008
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: it's it wasn't a bad movie just by the premise anyway,

1009
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 1: Thank you everybody so much, and we will see you

1010
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: next time.

1011
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 3: Bye.