WEBVTT - It's a Numbers Game: Tom Cotton on Minneapolis ICE Attacks, Somali Fraud, and Ending America’s Immigration Crisis 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:05.720 Welcome back to a number's name of Brian Gressey. Thank 0:00:05.760 --> 0:00:09.479 you all for being here. I want to talk about 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:12.520 something that's going on online that a lot of people 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:15.080 are bringing up in the wake of the Minneapolis shooting. 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:17.840 We're seeing a narrative kind of come out among progresses 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:22.040 that I find truly baffling, and it's that Obama deported 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:26.600 more people with less resources than President Trump. I guess 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:29.200 to say that Obama was such a good president, look 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:34.440 how Trump is really ineffective even on immigration. First of all, 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:37.320 the left had berated Obama at the end of his 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:40.400 presidency for his deportation numbers. They called him the deporter 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:42.639 in chief. And that's why in the twenty twenty Democratic 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:46.920 primary as it went on, so many Democratic candidates running 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:50.040 for president really berated Obama and tried to hold Joe 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:55.000 Biden responsible during that primary for Obama's deportation numbers. Then 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:58.640 Senator Kamala Harris criticized Obama's Secure Communities program because it 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:02.120 led to arrests in calahorning have billegal aliens who Julian 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:08.240 Costro repeatedly criticized Biden, who was Vice president obviously under Obama, 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:10.959 saying asking him to admit that it was a mistake 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:13.440 to de poor people so to build a Blasio. So 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:16.679 did Corey Booker Bernie Sanders do his credit started criticizing 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:19.000 Obama back in twenty sixteen, so he just carried that 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:22.560 on throughout twenty twenty. So when did Democrats all of 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:25.160 a sudden come to the rush rushing back and sid 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:27.240 there and saying, oh, no, we didn't mean any of 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:31.640 those comments. Obama's deportation numbers were actually great. We love 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:33.240 that he kicked out some of the illegals. When did 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:36.920 that happen? It's truly insane. It's very baffling. And also 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:40.800 the thing that I deal I'm the most frustrated with 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:44.200 is that it's not true. So I think I've mentioned 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:46.399 this in passing on this podcast, but I really wanted 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:49.040 to dive into the numbers for everyone, because then this 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:51.639 narrative needs to die out. This narrative is not true. 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:55.400 Obama did not deport that many people. In fact, every 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:58.200 year that he was president, fewer and fewer people were 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:02.240 deported from the interior of our country. He slowly whittled 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:06.520 away our interior enforcement, all while flooding swing states with 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:09.440 hundreds of thousands of refugees that he hoped and many 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:13.040 Democratic strategists hope, would eventually vote for Democrats. This is 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:16.200 from the Los Angeles Times on April first, twenty fourteen. 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:18.359 It's by a writer named Brian Bennett. If you wanted 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:20.480 to look it up, he says, quote the portrait of 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:24.080 a steadily increasing number of deportations rest on statistics that 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:28.519 conceal almost as much as they disclose. A close examination 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:32.760 shows that immigrants living illegally most of the continental US 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:36.160 are less likely deported today than before Obama came into office. 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:40.600 According to immigration data, expulsions of people who are settled 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:43.080 and working in the US have fallen steadily since his 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:46.160 first year in office. They're down forty percent since two 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:48.639 thousand and nine. On the other side of the ledge 0:02:48.639 --> 0:02:51.240 of the number of people deported at or near the 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:54.320 border has gone up, primarily as a result of changing 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:58.040 who gets counted by US immigration and Customs enforcement agencies 0:02:58.040 --> 0:03:01.680 as a deportation statistic. The vast majority of those border 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:05.000 crossers would not have been treated as a formal deportation 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:09.639 under previous administrations. If all removals were tallied, the totals 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:12.799 sent back to Mexico each year would have been far 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:17.680 higher under previous administrations than is now. Obama changed the 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:22.440 way deportations were accounted in order to juice up the numbers, 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:27.320 the official numbers, the numbers everyone saw, all while refusing 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:31.040 to carry out immigration enforcement within the interior of the country, 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:33.639 All while making sure that illegal aliens who were here 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:36.800 were not being deported. They were allowed to say, here 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:39.600 are some numbers that I want you to pay attention to. 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:41.280 Know I'm going to throw a bunch of them out 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:43.760 of you, but just listen to what I'm saying. During 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:48.160 George W. Bush's presidency, the one right before Obama, about 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:51.640 two million people were deported. It started at one hundred 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:54.240 and eighty nine thousand removals in two thousand and one 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:56.680 and increased to three hundred and sixty thousand in two 0:03:56.680 --> 0:04:00.960 thousand and eight, about a one hundred percent increased Throughoutsh's presidency. 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:05.839 During Obama's presidency, according to official statistics, Obama deported three 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:08.520 million people, starting at three hundred and eighty thousand in 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:11.720 two thousand and nine, climbing to four hundred and thirty 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:14.600 eight thousand and twenty thirteen, and then falling to three 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:18.680 hundred and thirty twenty twenty sixteen. In Trump's first term, 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:21.360 he deported about one point two million, starting with two 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:24.120 hundred and eighty seven thousand, rising to three hundred and 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:27.360 sixty thousand about George W. Bush levels, before falling because 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:30.919 of COVID to two hundred thousand. During Biden's all four years, 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:35.599 he deported one million. In Trump's first year, he's deported 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:38.760 about six hundred and twenty two thousand illegal aliens. So 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:40.599 I know that I just gave you a lot of numbers, 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:42.040 and I'm sure some of you are swirling, you arise 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:43.640 and saying, what do you talk? What's the point that 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:46.960 I'm going to summarize it. According to DHS statistics, Obama 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:51.480 deported the most, followed by Bush, Trump term one, Biden, 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:53.840 and then Trump term two. Obviously it's the lowest only 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:56.000 been one year, so whatever. But when you look at 0:04:56.080 --> 0:05:01.440 interior deportations people who are actually living in the United 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:05.000 States illegally, the numbers tell an entirely different story. This 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:07.760 is not the people who were turned away at the border, 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:10.680 which is not what anyone thinks that when they think 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:14.839 of deportations, someone you know, coming into your house, knocking 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:16.920 on the door, and you refuse them entry. Is not 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:20.000 someone being kicked out of your home. They're being refused entry. 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:24.760 That is an entirely different thing. Every person knows that, right, okay. 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:29.880 According to Migration Policy Institute, over the course of Obama's administration, 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:33.960 there was a pronounced shift from focus of removal of 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:38.800 recent border crosses and criminals rather than ordinary status violators 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:42.240 apprehended in the US interior people who were living here illegally, 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:45.680 not people who were just crossing the border. The underlying 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:50.640 reasoning was to deter illegal border crossings and remove unauthorized 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:55.000 immigrants before they became integrated in US communities. But obviously 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:57.640 once they were quote unquote integrated, just mean they were 0:05:57.680 --> 0:06:00.560 living here. They were not spoken English, might have been 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:04.560 having jobs, whatever, they were basically safe. As shown in 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:06.320 figure one, and I'm going to put this graphic on 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:09.360 the YouTube page I showed him figure one. Interior removals 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:13.040 decreased from one hundred and eighty one thousand, seven hundred 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:15.320 and ninety eight in biscal year two thousand and nine 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:18.560 to sixty five thousand, three hundred and thirty two in 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:22.880 fiscal year twenty sixteen, while border removals stayed high. And 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:26.359 increased from two hundred and seven thousand to two hundred 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:30.160 and seventy nine thousand. During that period, all the deportation 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:33.520 numbers come from people who try to flood the border 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:35.120 because they knew it was safe to be in the 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:40.720 United States illegally. Obama was sending mixed messages to human smugglers. 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:43.320 He was saying, yes, we're going to try to apprehend 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:45.640 you at the border, but if you're through the border, 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:48.800 you're scot free. So it became even more of a 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:52.840 mad dash to get illegal aliens into the country, into 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:56.240 the interior, because they knew once they got inside it 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:58.919 was almost impossible to get them outside unless they were 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:01.120 arrested for a serious and then Obama did to port 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:03.839 al out of them. Not to mention that the fact 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:07.440 that under Obama's presidency, the immigration backlog of the people 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:11.320 who are waiting to hear from a judge increased substantially 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:13.920 from two hundred and twenty four thousand to four hundred 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:17.760 and forty nine thousand, and the percentage of removal cases 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:21.320 that resulted in people being allowed to stay went from 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:24.000 twenty three point eight percent of cases to fifty one 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:28.040 point six percent. Getting into the interior of the country 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:31.360 was basically as safe as you possibly could under Obama, 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:35.760 much more under George W. Bush. Obama's interior removals went 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:38.080 from one hundred and eighty one thousand at the beginning 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:40.200 of his presidency almost one hundred and eighty two thousand 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:42.960 to sixty five thousand at the end of his administration. 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:47.880 Here's the question, do you think President Trump has deported 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:51.080 more or less than one hundred and eighty one thousand 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:53.720 people this year? If it is less than one hundred 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:57.320 and eighty one thousand people, the top year for President Obama, 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:00.200 then what are we even talking about given that there's 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:02.760 ten to twelve million, Given there's so many, If he's 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:07.200 supporting this few from the interior of the United States, is 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:09.760 it this traconian, insane thing of why are we spending 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:14.080 all this money? President Trump can't count on people crossing 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:16.840 the border illegally? Why? Because he solved the border crisis. 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:18.800 He didn't need an Act from Congress like Joe Biden 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:21.720 said he did. He didn't need a bunch of new things. 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:24.680 He just needed to enforce existing law, and he fixed 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:27.400 the border crisis. We didn't need a new list of 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:30.640 laws like James Langford, Republican James Langford, Oklahoma did to 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:33.600 try to team up with Democrats. We just needed a 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:39.080 new president. According to Migration Policy Institute, as of September, 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:41.360 which was I believe when the fiscal year ended, right, 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:44.640 So not October, November, December when they really ramped up up, 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:50.720 but just January twentieth to September, President Trump deported two 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:54.720 hundred and thirty four thousand illegal aliens from the interior 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:59.040 of the United States. So, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:01.800 what's bigger two hundred and thirty four thousand or one 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:05.640 hundred and eighty one thousand. It's not even close. President 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:10.000 Trump is doing fifty percent more interior to deportations in 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:13.360 his first year than Obama during his first year, his 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:15.040 first year of the second term, I should say, than 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:18.920 Obama during his first year. It's not. It's so it's 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:23.040 laughably bad. ICE is doing a fantastic job of working 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:25.240 and doing what they can do to apprehend the illegal 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:28.640 aliens and get them deported self. Deportations have spike. We've 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:31.400 seen these numbers coming out of what many studies that 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:33.480 are sitting there and saying that our fore and worn 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:37.760 population is declining. Obviously, it's working. What President Trump's doing 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:40.000 is working. It needs to be carried out. And considering 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:43.960 how few times that the media, I mean, it's horrible 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:47.280 when it happens, but how few times that liberal activists 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:50.800 can point to this person of that person being injured 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:54.240 because ICE is being too aggressive. How few times it's 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:57.800 happening out of the hundreds of thousands of encounters are 0:09:57.920 --> 0:10:01.000 ICE is working with is pretty good. It's really honestly, 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:03.000 very very good. If they would get out of the 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:05.080 way and let ICE do its job, it would be 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:07.600 better for the President's in the national garden, so ICE 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:09.319 can make sure they could do their job one or 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:11.600 the other. But the ICE is doing a fantastic job 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:14.560 and we should be supporting him at this moment. Coming 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:16.880 up next on my podcast is a guy who knows 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:19.640 a lot I just head god as senator who knows 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:23.679 a lot about immigration law and in great immigration enforcement 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:26.800 and common sense immigration laws, Arkansas Senator Tom Cotton. That's 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:31.959 coming up next to Stay two. My guest for today's 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:34.720 episode is Senator Tom Cotton, who's represented the great state 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:37.080 of Arkansas in the United States Senateence is twenty fifteen 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:40.840 he chairs the Senate Republican Conference and Senate Intelligence Committee. 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:43.560 Senator Cotton, thank you for being here. Thanks for having me. 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:45.520 Back on Ryan, So, I wanted to talk to you 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:48.480 about the situation in Minneapolis. Obviously is of every tense situation. 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:52.440 Progressives are training their most dieheard activists to really try 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:55.360 to stop ICE agents from doing their jobs. And there 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:58.440 are a series of methods, but noticeably there's been a 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:00.920 massive spike in the number of people using vehicles to 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:03.800 ram ICE agents. In the New York City, we saw 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:07.400 thousands of activists and they're trying to stop ICE agents 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:09.520 from their job. In twenty twenty, you are at the 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:11.720 op ed and response to the Floyd ransaying sending the 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:15.040 troops to stop civil unrest. What kind of response would 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:17.720 be appropriate and effective to make sure ICE agents can 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:19.119 do their job now from the federal. 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:24.240 Government, well, we cannot allow local authorities to interfere with 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:28.320 the proper exercise of federal power. That's been a constitutional 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:32.439 guiding principle for over two hundred years, and I believe 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:36.040 that Donald Trump feels the same way. So if necessary, 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:38.280 as we've seen in some other cities, we may have 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:41.920 to use National Guard troops under federal authorities or potentially 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:46.200 even active duty troops to allow federal law enforcement authorities 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:49.800 to conduct their proper activities. And of course, it is 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:55.040 the proper jurisdiction and responsibility of Immigrations and Customs enforcement 0:11:55.040 --> 0:12:00.880 officers to find, apprehend, and deport illegal aliens, in particular 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:05.480 violent and criminal illegal aliens, of which there are apparently 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:08.440 quite a few in the Minneapolis area. If you look 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:11.440 at the widespread fraud that has been going on, and 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:14.000 I understand that there's a bunch of liberals in the 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:17.520 Twin Cities and elsewhere who don't like Donald Trump and 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:21.120 who don't like ICE. However, there are ways to register 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:25.840 their displeasure without putting their own lives at risk, without 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:29.240 interfering with federal authority, and unfortunately that's happened in this 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:32.360 terrible tragedy last week. I know the ICE officer and 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:36.120 the other officers involved there feel terribly that this woman 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:39.679 lost her life. But whenever federal for that matter, any police, 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:43.400 local police too are engaged in law enforcement activities, you 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:47.160 shouldn't interfere with them. It's not just unlawful, but it's 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:49.679 dangerous as well, as we saw last week. And if 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:52.800 we're going to have roving bands of liberal activists following 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:56.439 around ICE agents blowing whistles to alert illegal aliens of 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:59.520 their presence, trying to find out what hotels are staying in, 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:03.080 and then banging pots and pans outside of those hotels. 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:07.080 Then yes, we may need to use additional forces to 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:10.959 protect our ICE agents as they're conducting they're desperately needed 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:15.160 activities to get illegal, violent, criminal aliens out. 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:17.800 Of our country. Now, the number of raming attacks is 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:19.959 up thirty two hundred percent a year to year. If 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:24.959 NGOs are training activists to use cars as a way 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:27.920 to assault, is there a way to investigate NGOs or 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:30.079 go after NGOs and specific because they can't just all 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:32.520 be these rand people randomly. We're like, hey, let's use 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:34.520 our cars and figure out different ways to sit. They're 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:38.760 on stop by. Someone must be organizing someone somewhere, I. 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:42.719 Would think, so, Ryan, I'm not a prosecutor and I'm 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:45.839 not deeply steeping these laws. But again, like you, it's 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:48.600 my intuition that the Department of Justice should be able 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:51.960 to investigate and probably bring to justice anyone who is 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:54.800 coordinating such activities, who's funding them, And we know there's 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:58.920 a large network of very deep pocketed liberal NGOs that 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:03.400 are funding all of these big left wing protests and activities. 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:06.400 I think the No Kings movement just released their financial 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:09.200 disclosure forum and received that they've got tens of billions 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:12.160 of dollars from left wing foundations like the Ford Foundation 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:14.840 or Arabella or Warren Buffett or what have you. So, 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:18.600 just as we saw with Antifa riots on the streets 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:21.040 six years ago, it may be the fact that these 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:24.400 so called legal observers or ice Watch or whatever kind 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:27.320 of crazy names I have for themselves are just the 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:30.520 visible tip of the iceberg, and that there's a much 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:34.920 deeper network of training and coordination and funding that the 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:36.560 Department of Justice should pursue. 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:39.800 Now, the focus on Minneapolis is specifically about the Somali 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:42.040 fraud case, where billions of dollars of taxpayer money was 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:45.600 being used to basically be robbed, and a lot of 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:47.800 it in fact to Somalia. You've recently co authored a 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:50.120 bill in the Senate along with Senator's corn and Blackburn 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:53.960 and bud to denationalize those who are in the fraud scheme. 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:56.160 Can you tell my audience about the bill specifically? 0:14:57.400 --> 0:15:00.240 Yeah, it's part of a long standing traditional print full 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:03.160 of immigration laws. You can't come to our country, either 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:05.120 on a visa or a green car, to ultimately become 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:09.600 a citizen, committing fraud, lying about why you're here, who 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:12.440 you are, what you've done, and expect us just to 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:14.440 look the other way and say, well, you've got citizenship now, 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:16.800 so there's nothing we can do about it. Of course, we, 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:20.720 like any other nation state, reserves the prerogative to denaturalize 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:23.160 immigrants who have come here and lie to us to 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:25.920 get citizenships. So it would make it very clear that 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:28.920 we can do that in this case. And I feel 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:32.680 like something a bit of an expert on the Somali 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:36.280 community in Minnesota and the threats they pose there. My 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:40.040 wife's parents have lived outside the Twin Cities for the 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:42.120 last several years, so I've been there a lot. I've 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:45.080 gone to the local FBI office to get classified briefings. 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:47.520 And when we're on an extended break, say like in 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:49.520 the August recess, and I'm up there for a weekend 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:52.080 to visit my in laws and take the kids to 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:56.520 see them, and this is a long bonding trip. Well 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:01.280 it's a little bit cooler in Minnesota in August than 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:04.000 it was in Arkansas, I'll grant you that. But you know, 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:06.840 anytime I'm away from Washington for an extended period, especially 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:09.880 for August or the Christmas holidays, I'll try to use 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:12.840 the FBI office in Little Rock, and occasionally if I'm 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:15.960 in other places like Minnesota in particular, to get up 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:18.280 today on what's happening to do my work as a 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:20.520 member and now chairman of the Intelligence Committee and the FBI. 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:22.720 There has been worried for many years about the threats 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:26.680 posed by this large, unassimilated Somali community. If you call 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:30.720 Ryan Oh, maybe eight or ten years ago, there's this 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:33.720 spate of so called Minnesota men, as the Star Tribune 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:36.280 referred to them, who kept getting arrested for trying to 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:39.280 go to Syria and fight with ISIS. And of course 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:43.200 the so called Minnesota men were always Somali immigrants. It's 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:46.920 much like the illegal alien from Maryland was always referred 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:49.840 to as a Maryland man right year in the news, 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:52.000 you know, And I remember asking the FBI agents there, 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:54.200 It's like, well, why are they going to Syria to 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:56.760 fight when they could simply, you know, go to the 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:59.680 Mall of America or any other large public gathering in 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:02.320 the MINUTESDA area and commit an act of terrorism, as 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:05.240 we've seen sadly in places like Orlando and San Bernardino, 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:09.120 And the FBI office there said, well, what's happened here, Senator, 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:12.399 is that the Somali community has really recreated the clan 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:15.399 and tribal structure that they had in Somalia here in 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:17.760 the Twin Cities. So they have very strong tribal and 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:20.640 clan leadership, and the tribal and clan leaders basically tell 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:22.960 young men who are radicalized, if you want to fight 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:25.400 in the name of radical Islam, that's fine, But we've 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:27.320 got a pretty good gig going here. We're living in 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:29.639 the West, We're making lots of money. Apparently, what we 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:32.480 now know, a lot of these Somalis have defrauded the 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:34.440 taxpayer of mine. That's how they're making it. So if 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:37.760 you want to fight, go overseas, don't do it here 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:40.480 in the Twin Cities. So this has been something that's 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:43.119 been on our government's radar from a national security threat 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:45.000 for a long time. It just doesn't seem like it 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:48.399 was on Tim Waltz's radar as a fraud threat, or 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:50.239 maybe it wasn't as radar, and he simply didn't want 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:52.120 to do anything about it because it was an old 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:55.480 fashioned patron machine for the Minnesota Democratic Party. 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:57.720 Right well, Tim Walls also gave the Refugee of the 0:17:57.800 --> 0:17:59.520 Year award to one of the women who were scamming 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:02.800 taxpayer or so he was not really having his finger 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:04.840 on the pulls. You've been one of the most realistic 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:07.160 voices when it comes to immigration for a very long time, 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:11.080 and you don't have a wide eye emotional idea that 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:13.840 everyone in the world should come here and that they 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:16.040 all bring the same level of value, right, that every 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:18.240 immigrant is equal. As far as what they turn out, 0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:20.400 that is a fairy tale that the people who say 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:22.760 that we have a magic dirt theories tell themselves. Some 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:26.400 immigrant groups are very expensive for taxpayers. Somollians are one 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:28.920 of the most expensive immigrant groups there are, which is 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:30.719 true for people out a high school diploma, people who 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:34.480 don't speak English. During Trump's first term, you put together 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:36.760 something called the Rays Act to put a point system 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:40.760 in and it didn't, unfortunately pass. Why is there anyone 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:42.600 in Congress now who says there and says we should 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:44.479 have some kind of point system where people who have 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:48.399 degrees and speak English and have the ability to provide 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:51.679 for themselves, should get advanced placement as far as immigrants go, 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:54.520 as opposed to just being related to somebody, which is 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:56.159 how most immigration is currently. 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:58.720 Yeah, Ran, as you say, I've always had a kind 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:04.240 of hard nosed and clear eyed American centric view of immigration. 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:06.639 Of course, most people around the world would like to 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:09.440 come to America. It would benefit them, certainly, most people 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:11.159 from the third world. The question is does it benefit 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:14.639 the United States. I get that from our founder's views, 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:18.080 from the Declaration from the Constitution. That's where we should 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:20.960 look for guidance about immigration policy. A poem on the 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:24.520 Statute of Liberty is not a guiding policy document for immigration. 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:27.040 And as you said, and things have changed throughout time 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:29.000 as well. You know, there's times in the eighteenth and 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:31.040 nineteenth century when we needed a lot of immigrants, and 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:33.080 we got a lot of immigrants, and we basically had 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:35.159 no immigration law. I mean, if you got here and 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:38.280 you didn't have a communicable disease and you weren't going 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:40.359 to be a public charge was very relevant today, then 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:42.119 we would let you in. We had an entire continent 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:44.760 to settle. But it's not the it's not the case 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:47.520 that our history is just more and more immigration marching 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:50.280 throughout time. There have been ebbs and flows at various 0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:52.480 times for various reasons. And the simple fact is we 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:54.800 don't need as many immigrants today as we once needed 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:58.520 to populate an entire continent or run vast factories at 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:00.919 the dawn of the Industrial Revolution, and we should be 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:03.280 asking who are the best immigrants for us to bring here. 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:06.200 The Raise Act, as you mentioned, is not about immigrant visa. 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:08.440 It's you know they're in the news lot H one 0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:11.080 b H two ah two B. It's about the most 0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:13.960 fundamental question we have for immigrants, like who do we 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:15.640 want to come here to get a green card? Because 0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:18.840 a green card is one step away from citizenship. And 0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:21.720 I simply said we should bring the people here are 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:24.119 citizens who are going to contribute the most. So I 0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:27.360 cut away all these categories, like as you said, family reunion, 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:31.320 which is a vast, vast number of green cards, which 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:33.800 is the diversity lottery. Really, family reunion is just the 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:35.840 diversity lottery. Did you have someone lucky enough to get 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:38.040 here ten or twenty years ago and bring you here? 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:41.000 All kinds of set asides and quotas for random industries. 0:20:41.359 --> 0:20:44.200 I mean, we had set asides for green cards for lawyers, 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:46.639 no offense. I don't think we need more lawyers, especially 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:49.239 foreign lawyers, in the country. So I said, let's just 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:52.400 look at some factors here that lead to immigrant success 0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:55.920 in our country, for both the immigrant and our country. 0:20:55.960 --> 0:20:57.960