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Speaker 1: Welcome back to a number's name of Brian Gressey. Thank

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Speaker 1: you all for being here. I want to talk about

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Speaker 1: something that's going on online that a lot of people

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Speaker 1: We're seeing a narrative kind of come out among progresses

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Speaker 1: that I find truly baffling, and it's that Obama deported

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Speaker 1: more people with less resources than President Trump. I guess

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Speaker 1: to say that Obama was such a good president, look

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Speaker 1: how Trump is really ineffective even on immigration. First of all,

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Speaker 1: the left had berated Obama at the end of his

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Speaker 1: in chief. And that's why in the twenty twenty Democratic

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Speaker 1: Biden responsible during that primary for Obama's deportation numbers. Then

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Speaker 1: Senator Kamala Harris criticized Obama's Secure Communities program because it

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Speaker 1: led to arrests in calahorning have billegal aliens who Julian

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Speaker 1: Costro repeatedly criticized Biden, who was Vice president obviously under Obama,

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Speaker 1: there and saying, oh, no, we didn't mean any of

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Speaker 1: those comments. Obama's deportation numbers were actually great. We love

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Speaker 1: that he kicked out some of the illegals. When did

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Speaker 1: this in passing on this podcast, but I really wanted

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Speaker 1: to dive into the numbers for everyone, because then this

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Speaker 1: narrative needs to die out. This narrative is not true.

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Speaker 1: Obama did not deport that many people. In fact, every

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Speaker 1: year that he was president, fewer and fewer people were

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Speaker 1: deported from the interior of our country. He slowly whittled

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Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of refugees that he hoped and many

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Speaker 1: Democratic strategists hope, would eventually vote for Democrats. This is

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Speaker 1: from the Los Angeles Times on April first, twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 1: It's by a writer named Brian Bennett. If you wanted

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Speaker 1: to look it up, he says, quote the portrait of

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Speaker 1: a steadily increasing number of deportations rest on statistics that

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Speaker 1: conceal almost as much as they disclose. A close examination

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Speaker 1: shows that immigrants living illegally most of the continental US

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Speaker 1: are less likely deported today than before Obama came into office.

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Speaker 1: According to immigration data, expulsions of people who are settled

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Speaker 1: thousand and nine. On the other side of the ledge

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Speaker 1: of the number of people deported at or near the

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Speaker 1: border has gone up, primarily as a result of changing

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Speaker 1: who gets counted by US immigration and Customs enforcement agencies

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Speaker 1: as a deportation statistic. The vast majority of those border

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Speaker 1: crossers would not have been treated as a formal deportation

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Speaker 1: under previous administrations. If all removals were tallied, the totals

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Speaker 1: higher under previous administrations than is now. Obama changed the

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Speaker 1: the official numbers, the numbers everyone saw, all while refusing

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Speaker 1: All while making sure that illegal aliens who were here

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Speaker 1: are some numbers that I want you to pay attention to.

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Speaker 1: Know I'm going to throw a bunch of them out

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Speaker 1: of you, but just listen to what I'm saying. During

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Speaker 1: George W. Bush's presidency, the one right before Obama, about

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Speaker 1: two million people were deported. It started at one hundred

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Speaker 1: During Obama's presidency, according to official statistics, Obama deported three

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Speaker 1: I know that I just gave you a lot of numbers,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to summarize it. According to DHS statistics, Obama

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Speaker 1: which is not what anyone thinks that when they think

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Speaker 1: That is an entirely different thing. Every person knows that, right, okay.

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Speaker 1: According to Migration Policy Institute, over the course of Obama's administration,

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Speaker 1: not people who were just crossing the border. The underlying

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Speaker 1: reasoning was to deter illegal border crossings and remove unauthorized

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Speaker 1: immigrants before they became integrated in US communities. But obviously

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Speaker 1: the YouTube page I showed him figure one. Interior removals

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Speaker 1: He was saying, yes, we're going to try to apprehend

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Speaker 1: Here's the question, do you think President Trump has deported

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Speaker 1: it this traconian, insane thing of why are we spending

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Speaker 1: new president. According to Migration Policy Institute, as of September,

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Speaker 1: So not October, November, December when they really ramped up up,

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Speaker 1: Trump is doing fifty percent more interior to deportations in

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Speaker 1: coming up next to Stay two. My guest for today's

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Speaker 1: Senator Cotton, thank you for being here. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Back on Ryan, So, I wanted to talk to you

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Speaker 1: Progressives are training their most dieheard activists to really try

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Speaker 2: Government, well, we cannot allow local authorities to interfere with

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Speaker 2: guiding principle for over two hundred years, and I believe

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Speaker 1: Now, the focus on Minneapolis is specifically about the Somali

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Speaker 1: Right well, Tim Walls also gave the Refugee of the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Ran, as you say, I've always had a kind

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Speaker 2: Three is education level. What kind of education do you

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Speaker 2: You run a simple formula. You give people points, and

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Speaker 1: English proficiency and high school diplomba would save them two

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Speaker 1: point four trillion, and deporting ten million illegal aliens would

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Speaker 1: save one point six trillion. You know, you've been in

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Speaker 1: Congress before you were in the Senate, but you've been

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Speaker 1: down there for a while. I'm sure it was much

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Speaker 1: different back like around twenty thirteen. What was how Republican

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Speaker 1: leadership like there were you pushed to support amnesty at

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Speaker 1: any point, like from Paul Ryan or anybody.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, very much so Ryan. You know, I was

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Speaker 2: not a big letter writer when I was a private

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Speaker 2: citizen to my elected officials. I was busy first with

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Speaker 2: school and the army. I think the only time I

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Speaker 2: ever wrote a letter to my senators and congressman was

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Speaker 2: in two thousand and seven or eight, maybe when John

446
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Speaker 2: McCain and Ted Kennedy were pushing a big amnesty bill.

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Speaker 2: I think remember the z visa. They were going to

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Speaker 2: be a visa in twenty four hours. Fortunately un failed.

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Speaker 2: But after the twenty twelve election, in particular, there was

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Speaker 2: a sense among a lot of Republicans in the establishment that,

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Speaker 2: you know, we lost because of this emerging democratic majority.

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Speaker 2: As the thesis went at the time, we have to

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Speaker 2: do more to appeal to minority voters, special Latinos. And

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Speaker 2: the way to do that is have a massive amnesty

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Speaker 2: and have huge new influxes of unskilled and low skilled immigrants.

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Speaker 2: And that led to the so called Gang of Eight bill,

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Speaker 2: if you recall, done in the Senate, jammed through I

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Speaker 2: think right before one of the summer recesses and then

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Speaker 2: coming our way in the House. I was in the

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Speaker 2: House only six or seven months at that point. It

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Speaker 2: was very clear that you know, we're coming back. I

462
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Speaker 2: think it's probably fourth in July recess. Get the House

463
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Speaker 2: back in July up against the August recess and compel

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Speaker 2: us to pass it. And Paul Ryan has always been

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Speaker 2: a lot more of what you might call the kind

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Speaker 2: of traditional old establishment Republican view on immigration. More immigration,

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Speaker 2: let's get more low skilled workers here. It's going to

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Speaker 2: help American workers up the ladder, suffice to say, with

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Speaker 2: very different views.

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Speaker 1: I remember him.

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Speaker 2: Telling me once that this was and you know, he

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Speaker 2: had a lot of influence, and everybody liked Paul, and

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Speaker 2: I like Paul. He was coming off his time as

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Speaker 2: Vice president. He wasn't yet chairman of the Ways and

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Speaker 2: Means Committee, if I remember, certainly, not speaker yet. But

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Speaker 2: he said, you know, Tom, you know Americans won't do

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Speaker 2: these jobs. I said, Paul, you've got a period at

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Speaker 2: the end of that sentence. You need a comma at

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Speaker 2: the end of the sentence, and after the comma it

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Speaker 2: should say at current wages, they won't do somebody out

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Speaker 2: bit of that. He just I think he rolled his

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Speaker 2: eyes at me. You know, he has a very libertarian

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Speaker 2: economic point of view, as a lot of Republicans do.

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Speaker 2: And I'd seen that mass migration, both legal and the illegal,

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Speaker 2: had suppressed working class wages for so long, and I

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Speaker 2: think that's proven out in the first Trump term when

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Speaker 2: you saw working class wages rising at their fastest rates ever.

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Speaker 2: So there's a big push right as we got back

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Speaker 2: from from that July fourth recess in twenty thirteen, and

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Speaker 2: John Bayner, I think, had asked Paul to speak at

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Speaker 2: one of our conferences about why thist bill was flawed, imperfect,

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Speaker 2: but something we needed to move forward with. And even

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Speaker 2: though I'd only been there for about six months, I

494
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Speaker 2: jumped up and responded quickly, and fortunately we were able

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Speaker 2: to stop the momentum it had that summer. Are you

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Speaker 2: the first one to say, now what Paul spoke first

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Speaker 2: in favor of it? I spoke first opposed to our conferences.

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Speaker 2: So we, in our goal from a tactical just standpoint,

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Speaker 2: think about how to stop this what I perceived to

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Speaker 2: be a very bad bill was get beyond the July

501
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Speaker 2: work period up in Washington, get in the August recess

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Speaker 2: more of our members would hear back home that they

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Speaker 2: were opposed this kind of massive amnesty bill and then

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Speaker 2: get in the election year, and probably the Republican leadership

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Speaker 2: at the time, I probably think it was too hot

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Speaker 2: to bring back up. I think they might have brought

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Speaker 2: it back up. Actually, But if your call in the

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Speaker 2: spring of twenty fourteen is when Dave Bratt beat Eric

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Speaker 2: Canner and immigration was a defining issue in that campaign,

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Speaker 2: it was really the bill was really done after that point,

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Speaker 2: and then you had Donald Trump running for office. He

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Speaker 2: got elected, and he got elected in twenty sixteen, and

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Speaker 2: then again in twenty twenty tenty four even more so

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Speaker 2: on the strength of very very high Latino turnout and support,

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Speaker 2: especially like just take some test cases in South Texas

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Speaker 2: Get County's area that had been you know, ninety ten

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Speaker 2: Democratic counties for a century, and Donald Trump won them

518
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Speaker 2: in near Landslide territory by twenty twenty four And I

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Speaker 2: think it proved out an argument I was making back

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Speaker 2: in twenty thirteen, and that I think you've been making

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Speaker 2: for some time too. The way to appeal to working

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Speaker 2: class Latino voters is to appeal to working class voters.

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Speaker 2: Don't treat them as Latinos who care about this one

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Speaker 2: unique issue. Treat them as voters who need their government

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Speaker 2: to look out for their interests, not to import massive

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Speaker 2: numbers of people to compete with them. And especially if

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Speaker 2: you're working class Latino voter, and by definition, you were

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Speaker 2: a legal immigrant who came here, who got the right

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Speaker 2: to vote, and now you're voting, and there's a good

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Speaker 2: chance that illegal Latino immigration is probably going to settle

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Speaker 2: in your community and compete with you. It's not going

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Speaker 2: to go to communities that are ninety eight percent white

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Speaker 2: somewhere else in the country. And I think that's born

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Speaker 2: out in the election result when Donald Trump performed so

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Speaker 2: well with working class Latino voters, is that they're voting

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Speaker 2: like any American would do on a broad array of issues,

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Speaker 2: most notably oftentimes on their pocketbook issues. Are probably even

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Speaker 2: more turned off by the Democrats cultural fads and craziness

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Speaker 2: than a lot of the rest.

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Speaker 1: Of our contra identify as latin X at all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, I mean, yeah, only some white liberal in

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Speaker 2: Washington would come up with the idea that we need

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Speaker 2: to call them latin X because Latina or Latino would

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Speaker 2: be offensive to them. So I think again that having

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Speaker 2: stopped that bill in twenty thirteen and then seeing President

546
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Speaker 2: Trump's rise to the White House in fifteen and sixteen,

547
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Speaker 2: we've kind of, at least it for the time being,

548
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Speaker 2: stopped any kind of momentum in the Republican Party for

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Speaker 2: that kind of massive amnesty, mass immigration bill.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure Lindsay Graham's still saws that night the just

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Speaker 1: kidding these are, colleague, But I want to ask you

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Speaker 1: one of the quick questions about Venezuela specifically you're on

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Speaker 1: the Intelligence Committee. What part of the thing that no

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Speaker 1: one every time about the oil, which I understand why

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Speaker 1: they would, but part of the thing that no one's

556
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Speaker 1: talked about so far in Venezuela is the amount of

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Speaker 1: human smugglers that operate out of Venezuela and have brought

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Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of people here. Is there any conversation

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Speaker 1: about bringing those people to justice. They've made billions off

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Speaker 1: of human smuggling at the detriment of our country, sometimes

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Speaker 1: with criminisms. That seems like it should be a part

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Speaker 1: of the component of bringing certain criminal structures in Venezuela

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Speaker 1: down because it would end the illegal immigration in a

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Speaker 1: large part, no matter who's the next president.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, absolutely, Ryan, We've heard a lot about drug traffiing.

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Speaker 2: Nicholas Maduro was a dited drug trafficker in the US court,

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Speaker 2: so it's one of the reasons why he's sitting in

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Speaker 2: a jail now in New York City and not sitting

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Speaker 2: in a palace in Venezuela. But that wasn't the only

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Speaker 2: kind of trafficking out of Venezuela. You had weapons trafficking

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Speaker 2: as well, and you had human trafficking. As you said,

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Speaker 2: Venezuela is really the epicenter in the Western hemisphere for

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Speaker 2: so many of the threats that we face, most notably drugs,

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Speaker 2: but not just drugs, the weapons trafficking and human trafficking.

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Speaker 2: It's a playground and a crossroads for every American enemy

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Speaker 2: around the world, Iran, Cuba, China, Russia, even Islamic terrists

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Speaker 2: like Hesbela, and they're doing a lot of that trafficking.

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Speaker 2: And Maduro himself in part viewed it as a way

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Speaker 2: to put pressure on the United States, especially under the

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Speaker 2: Biden administration, to send these flows of what Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: might cause some bad ombrace in the direction of the

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Speaker 2: United States, like tdaight cartel members, and you saw in

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Speaker 2: the first year of President Trump's second term some small

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Speaker 2: glimmers of cooperation from Maduro to accept flights of illegal

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Speaker 2: Venezuelan aliens back into the country. That was really, I

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Speaker 2: think just to placate the president. I don't think he

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Speaker 2: was serious about doing it in large scale. I know

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Speaker 2: the administration is putting a lot of pressure on Delsi Rodriguez,

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Speaker 2: who's in charge of the interim authorities in Venezuela, not

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Speaker 2: just to stop the drug trafficking and cut off the

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Speaker 2: Cubans and the Iranians at Hesbela and the least political prisoners,

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Speaker 2: but to start taking at large number illegal Venezuelan aliens

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Speaker 2: back into their country. Moreover, and it's not just illegal aliens.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Venezuela has produced seven or eight million refugees

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Speaker 2: in the Western Hemisphere or some of though they're here

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Speaker 2: in the United States, many others or in other countries

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Speaker 2: that our friends, if we're successful, if President Trump is

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Speaker 2: successful in returning Venezuela to a normal, stable, pro American country,

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Speaker 2: that pressure on our country and our friends in our

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Speaker 2: backyard will be diminished as well. Those Venezuelans can go

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Speaker 2: back to their homes and they don't have to live

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Speaker 2: in other countries. And finally, you still have a lot

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Speaker 2: of Venezuelans in the United States on's so called temporary

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Speaker 2: protective status. It's often just referred to as TBS because

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Speaker 2: the media and the Democrats don't want you to know

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Speaker 2: the T stands for temporary and just has to go home.

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Speaker 2: There's a major, of course, major disasters over the last

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Speaker 2: twenty five years under Hugoshabez and Nicholas Maduro, and that's

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Speaker 2: an example of why we give TPS status an addition

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Speaker 2: to thing like natural disasters. But the goal of the

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Speaker 2: program is to get people back to their home to

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Speaker 2: contribute to their own country. So there's three different ways

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Speaker 2: in which apprehending Maduro and applying the pressure we are

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Speaker 2: right now to the interim authorities in Venezuela should reduce

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Speaker 2: the pressure on our own country from Venezuelan migration to America,

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Speaker 2: but also help But his way, look at it back

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Speaker 2: on his feet, all right.

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Speaker 1: Senator contin Where people go to read what you're working

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Speaker 1: on in the Senen, what you're coming out with, what

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Speaker 1: bills you're supporting.

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Speaker 2: By the simplest place, it was like a clearinghouse would

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Speaker 2: be on my website, Cotton dot send It dot GUV.

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Speaker 2: We obviously put a lot down on social media, but

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Speaker 2: we have all the links there, whether it's X or

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Speaker 2: Facebook or YouTube or what have you. Just go to

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Speaker 2: Cotton dot send it dot gov. You can see what

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Speaker 2: we're up to in the Senate.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on this podcast. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Ryan. Now it's time for Ask Me Anything.

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Speaker 1: If you want to be part of the Ask Me

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Speaker 1: Anything segment, email me Ryan at Numbers Game Podcast dot com,

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Speaker 1: Ryan at Numbers Plural Numbers gamepodcast dot com. I answer

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Speaker 1: all these emails either privately or on the show. I

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Speaker 1: look forward and they make such a great part of

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Speaker 1: the show. This question comes from Holly. She writes, Hi,

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Speaker 1: Ryan loved the show. I'm excited that you're on three

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Speaker 1: times a week. In twenty twenty two or twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 1: Clay and Buck had a guest on their show. I'm

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Speaker 1: almost sure it was you, and I'm embarrassed if it wasn't.

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Speaker 1: I've done that so many times, Holly, where I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you did so and so and it's completely wrong. Person

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Speaker 1: who talked about physical health of Red states versus Blue states,

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Speaker 1: and Red staters were dying at a faster rate like

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Speaker 1: heart disease, diabetes, and obesity related issues and blue states.

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Speaker 1: Is there any indication that Red state governments are addressing

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Speaker 1: this or that the MAHA movement is having an effect

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Speaker 1: in these states. So we're going to have to wait

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Speaker 1: a little longer on official data. It takes a year

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Speaker 1: to compile, so twenty twenty five data really won't be

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Speaker 1: ready until the end of twenty twenty six. It takes

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Speaker 1: a long time for the CDC to really compile a

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Speaker 1: lot of information. It was definitely, by the way who

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Speaker 1: said this, because I've been obsessed with for a while,

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Speaker 1: and it's not even red state or blue state. Red

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Speaker 1: counties like in West Texas die a lot faster than

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Speaker 1: places like Austin. So it's like red County, blue County,

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Speaker 1: I mean. And there's a number of reasons for it, right,

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Speaker 1: There's the jobs they do, it's a lifestyle of food

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Speaker 1: they eat, how much cigarettes they smoke, and it's obesity

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Speaker 1: is a lot of it. Obesity is a major major

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Speaker 1: factor in rural America. So the good news is that

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Speaker 1: life expectancy has trended up in the last year, overdoses

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Speaker 1: from fetnah and other drugs is down, and I think

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Speaker 1: it's down honestly because narcans over the counter. But most importantly,

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Speaker 1: obesity is down. And I would love to say that

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Speaker 1: it's because people like to, you know, go and jogs

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Speaker 1: and eat kale, but that's not it. It's because of

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Speaker 1: ozembic and the GLP one drugs, and a lot of

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Speaker 1: people have a lot of feelings on those drugs, but

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Speaker 1: they are doing the job of reducing obesity. According to Gallup,

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Speaker 1: obese in the US is down from forty percent in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two to thirty seven percent twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: That is not a small feat. Even though it's a

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Speaker 1: small percentage, a total of sixteen states. This is where

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go into government policy. A total of

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Speaker 1: sixteen states have decided to make GLP one for OBEs

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Speaker 1: covered by Medicaid, allowing poorer states to poorer people to

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Speaker 1: get hold of it. Poor people in this country tend

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Speaker 1: to be the ones who have the largest obesity problems,

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Speaker 1: among also Latinos and Blacks who have enormously high OBC levels,

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Speaker 1: but even poor whites have large OBC levels. Those states

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Speaker 1: include Mississippi, which is the fattest state in the Union.

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Speaker 1: It is a Republican run governorship and legislature. They were

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Speaker 1: the only red state to sit there and do the words.

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Speaker 1: A full red state government Republican government. They made GLP

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Speaker 1: one drugs available for medicaid to reduce obesity in that state.

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Speaker 1: Kansas and North Carolina have Democratic governors but Republican legislators.

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Speaker 1: They've also agree to it. South Carolina did it for

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Speaker 1: two years they have an all Republican legislator and governor,

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Speaker 1: but they had to repeal it because of the costs

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Speaker 1: were too high. So yeah, some states are do They

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Speaker 1: still do it for diabetes. By the way, Texas and

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Speaker 1: a few other states do it for diabetes at Trump

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Speaker 1: won Wisconsin, Pennsylvania. Sorry, actually, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin do it

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Speaker 1: for obesity too. Texas, Louisiana, and North Dakota and South

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Speaker 1: Carolina do it for diabetes. States that Trump won include Mississippi, Kansas,

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Speaker 1: North Carolina, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan all do it for

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Speaker 1: obesity as well. So yeah, I mean GLP one is

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Speaker 1: if you could choose, I guess which way you'd rather

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Speaker 1: have weight loss happen. I'm sure you'd rather people just

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Speaker 1: run and or the gym and eat well, but I

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Speaker 1: kind of at this point OBC is so bad that

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Speaker 1: any which way you can do it, do it. And

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Speaker 1: according to the Gal Gallop data, the OBC rate has

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Speaker 1: declined largest for people between the ages of forty to

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Speaker 1: forty nine percent, it is down by four point three percent.

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Speaker 1: It was at almost at fifty percent, it's at forty

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Speaker 1: three percent now, and among people fifty to sixty four

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Speaker 1: it's down five percent to forty two point eight from

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Speaker 1: forty seven point eight, So almost fifty percent of the

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Speaker 1: country was obese in those demographics. That is wild. It's

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Speaker 1: also down one percent for eighteen to twenty nine year

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Speaker 1: olds and two point two percent for thirty to thirty

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Speaker 1: nine year olds. Sixty five and over it's up by

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Speaker 1: point eight percent to thirty three point four. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that if there's any government policy that is

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Speaker 1: the fastest answer to this specific thing of why people

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Speaker 1: are dying young, OBEC has to do a lot with it.

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Speaker 1: Heart disease and a mirroad of other issues chronic health

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Speaker 1: issues and GLP one is the fastest solution. A lot

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Speaker 1: of Republicans are still just you know, like we can't

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Speaker 1: touch people's liberty to make bad choices, which I get.

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Speaker 1: I understand that concept. So making GLP one drugs affordable

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Speaker 1: and easy for poor people to get, I think is

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Speaker 1: their solution, and so far it's port favor. Anyway, thank

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Speaker 1: you for listening to this podcast episode. I appreciate every

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Speaker 1: single one of you. If you like this podcast, please

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