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Speaker 2: Robert Hastings. As you know Senator Harry Reid of Nevada,
Speaker 2: the late Senator Reid was a friend of mine for
Speaker 2: the past thirty plus years. He co sponsored the largest
Speaker 2: acknowledged government UFO investigation in history that we know of,
Speaker 2: something called OSSAPP, which was managed by the Defense Intelligence Agency.
Speaker 2: A guy named doctor James Lakatski. Robert Bigelow Bigelo Aerospace
Speaker 2: Subsidiary got the contract. There were fifty full time investigators
Speaker 2: based here in Las Vegas. They built together this massive
Speaker 2: database and they went around the world collecting files. Most
Speaker 2: of that stuff has not been seen by the public.
Speaker 2: But one piece of information that helped persuade Senator Read
Speaker 2: to go ahead and risk his political career on sponsor
Speaker 2: a UFO investigation was the stuff that you put together
Speaker 2: over the decades. He read your book, and I know
Speaker 2: he read it because I gave him the copy of
Speaker 2: it and we talked about it. And it's got to
Speaker 2: feel good for you that you were able to get
Speaker 2: to someone in power and they finally paid attention and
Speaker 2: took some action after all your years of toil.
Speaker 1: On this well.
Speaker 3: I suspected that was the case for the last few
Speaker 3: years when I would read quotes from Harry in the media,
Speaker 3: I went, man, it's almost like he's read my book.
Speaker 3: And so now I know that that's true. Back in
Speaker 3: eight hal Putoff, who was a Tips scientific advisor, gave
Speaker 3: more copies of the book to people who he wouldn't
Speaker 3: identify at the time, And in twenty eighteen I discovered
Speaker 3: that one of them was Luele Astando, and I suspected
Speaker 3: that another one was Harry, but apparently he got the
Speaker 3: book from you later on. So there's three other people
Speaker 3: that were giving the book back in eight that I
Speaker 3: don't know yet, but I'm in touch with, as I said,
Speaker 3: Loueli Zondo, who's been very complimentary of my work. I'm
Speaker 3: in touch with Jim Summavan, who is a retired high
Speaker 3: level CIA officer, who told me within the last two
Speaker 3: weeks that the book has had quote great influence in
Speaker 3: the US government end quote great impact, I believe was
Speaker 3: the word he use. So yes, after this many years
Speaker 3: of working on this and trying to find out what's
Speaker 3: going on at the nuclear with the nuclear angle, and
Speaker 3: trying to publicize it, as much as possible. It feels
Speaker 3: good to know that it had some influence behind the
Speaker 3: scenes in the US government.
Speaker 2: I know that one part of these documents that have
Speaker 2: not been made public, but we've discussed it a little
Speaker 2: bit in public. Jim Lakatski, Colin kellaher and I had
Speaker 2: shared some of this is that the Northern Tier cases,
Speaker 2: these Northern Tier US missile bases along the US Canadian border,
Speaker 2: five of them, one way after another, were visited by UFOs,
Speaker 2: and these guys who were working for this asset program
Speaker 2: put the question to the highest levels of the UFS
Speaker 2: Air Force that they could find is that, Hey, were
Speaker 2: you guys messing around? Was this some sort of a
Speaker 2: a test of readiness at these missile silos to see
Speaker 2: how they would react if some unknowns came into the
Speaker 2: scene the situation. And the answer they got back is no.
Speaker 2: I mean, they did do some of those kind of tests,
Speaker 2: but most of these ones that happened that we're going
Speaker 2: to talk about now were not the Air Force. This
Speaker 2: was not a test. It was truly unknown. Can you
Speaker 2: give our listeners tonight, those who are new to the topic,
Speaker 2: a general sense of the kinds of things that happen
Speaker 2: in those Northern tiercases and others. The quality of witnesses
Speaker 2: that you've talked to over the years and what they
Speaker 2: say happened to convince them that this was from somewhere else.
Speaker 3: The Northern tiercases, as they've been publicized, occurred in the
Speaker 3: fall of nineteen seventy five, and as you said, at
Speaker 3: a number of Strategic Air Command bases, both missile and
Speaker 3: bomber bases. Suddenly there was a rash of UFO activity
Speaker 3: in October and November. But what I found in my
Speaker 3: research is that that kind of activity went on year
Speaker 3: after year, decade after decade, and the ones that occurred
Speaker 3: in seventy five that probably Congress knows about or the
Speaker 3: people who investigated this including a tip that's just a
Speaker 3: tip of the iceberg. I mean, this has gone on
Speaker 3: so frequently. I think the most dramatic case that I've
Speaker 3: heard was from nineteen sixty six or sixty seven. The
Speaker 3: gentleman couldn't remember. His name was Captain David Schure schu
Speaker 3: u Are, and he was a missile launch officer at
Speaker 3: Mina Air Force Base in the late sixties. And in
Speaker 3: two thousand and seven he told me and I've got
Speaker 3: tape recording of all the interviews I've done. He told
Speaker 3: me on the record that one night in nineteen sixty
Speaker 3: six or sixty seven, he was at a place called
Speaker 3: Echo Flight, which was a ten flight ten missile group
Speaker 3: of missiles called a flight designated Echo, and suddenly he's
Speaker 3: in the launch control capsule underground. He gets a call
Speaker 3: over the telephone from a top side guard who was
Speaker 3: just frantic, and there all the guards are watching this
Speaker 3: luminous object moving around from missile to missile among his
Speaker 3: ten missiles, and no center did David sure get this information.
Speaker 3: Then suddenly on his launch console, the missiles started going
Speaker 3: into launch mode. The lights launching progress lights they're called,
Speaker 3: suddenly were illuminated one by one. He thinks that seven
Speaker 3: or eight of his ten missiles were impacted, and they
Speaker 3: had to flip what's called an inhibit switch to prevent
Speaker 3: the actual launch of the missile. Now they were terrified.
Speaker 3: Obviously nothing like this had ever happened before, and he
Speaker 3: could hear on a communication system that linked his capsule
Speaker 3: with fourteen other capsules that this object moved from flight
Speaker 3: to flight to flight, and apparently all the other flights
Speaker 3: were impacted, at least as far as the object being
Speaker 3: in their vicinity. He couldn't remember in two thousand and
Speaker 3: seven whether those flights were had launching progress indicators. But
Speaker 3: you know that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: I've mentioned this before when we've talked you in the
Speaker 3: Soviet or you in Russia. I should say, I think
Speaker 3: in ninety four were able to secure some documents that
Speaker 3: described a virtually identical incident in Soviet Ukraine in nineteen
Speaker 3: eighty two. And so, you know, whatever, you know, a
Speaker 3: game is being played, whatever actions are being taken by
Speaker 3: those who pilot the UFOs, they're not playing favorites. They're
Speaker 3: doing it here in the States, and they did it
Speaker 3: in the Soviet Union. I really stopped investigating this in
Speaker 3: twenty ten, primarily because of health related issues. But the
Speaker 3: last case that I investigated at length occurred October twenty
Speaker 3: third and twenty fourth, twenty ten at FB Warren Air
Speaker 3: Force Base in South Dakota excuse me, Wyoming. They have
Speaker 3: missile sites in North Dakota and Colorado and in Wyoming.
Speaker 3: But on that two day period in twenty ten, suddenly
Speaker 3: FIE Warren Air Force Base could not communicate with five
Speaker 3: Launch control facilities. They call them missile alert facilities nowadays.
Speaker 3: So those if there had been a launch order from
Speaker 3: the President of the United States and E. Fie Warren
Speaker 3: had communicated to those five launch consoles, the capsules rather
Speaker 3: that they were to launch their missiles, those five capsules
Speaker 3: could not have gotten that order, I've learned. I've heard
Speaker 3: that there was a backup airborne system that could have
Speaker 3: conveyed the order. But the bottom line was I investigated
Speaker 3: that and found from two sources who were a missile
Speaker 3: maintenance personnel at the base who went out and addressed
Speaker 3: the problem. They were witnessing all that night and into
Speaker 3: the following morning, a huge cigar shaped object maneuvering above
Speaker 3: the fe war and missile field. And I'm sure there
Speaker 3: was a link between the siting of this unknown aerial
Speaker 3: object and these disruptions that they experienced. So that's pretty
Speaker 3: darn dramatic. The word leaked out. The Atlantic website actually
Speaker 3: published the story about these these issues, but there was
Speaker 3: no mention of UFO activity or a UFO presence, not surprisingly,
Speaker 3: and it was my subsequent investigation that discovered that that
Speaker 3: had gone on, and that eyewitnesses out in the field
Speaker 3: fixing the missile systems were reporting this huge object. So,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm sure that kind of thing has gone
Speaker 3: on since twenty ten, but I don't really investigate things anymore.
Speaker 2: I know you've you've spoken to so many witnesses and
Speaker 2: have seen so many documents squeezed out of the US
Speaker 2: government via FOYA, the Freedom of Information Act. Have you
Speaker 2: ever seen a document in which they discuss what the
Speaker 2: hell was that? Or you know, how do we react
Speaker 2: to that? Or these were UFOs from is there any
Speaker 2: reference to this was out of our control. We don't
Speaker 2: know who did it, We don't know why. They must
Speaker 2: be freaking out at some level when this happens.
Speaker 3: Oh, they're freaking out. And you know, my sources alsay
Speaker 3: everyone was terrified when these kinds of things were going on,
Speaker 3: and that the strictest secrecy was clamped down. You know,
Speaker 3: the event was clamped down with secrecy. In the early eighties.
Speaker 3: I attempted on multiple occasions to access documents through the FOIA.
Speaker 3: Virtually all of my witnesses in the Air Force said
Speaker 3: that they were debriefed by OSI agents, that's the Air
Speaker 3: Force Office of Special Investigations. So when they got back
Speaker 3: from the field, back to whatever base they were stationed at,
Speaker 3: and you know, asked to describe what occurred, what they witnessed.
Speaker 3: The person doing the debriefing was the interrogation was an
Speaker 3: FBI agent or excuse me, OSI agents. So I attempted
Speaker 3: in the early eighties to get documents from OSI and
Speaker 3: was told unequivocally time after time that no such documents existed.
Speaker 3: I knew that wasn't true, So I'm more or less
Speaker 3: focused over the years on just interviewing the witnesses. But
Speaker 3: people like Barry Greenwood, who's an excellent researcher, a document specialists,
Speaker 3: He and other persons have gotten documents that describe some
Speaker 3: of the cases that went on some of the incidents,
Speaker 3: and it's clear they what's being released. Primarily, the ones
Speaker 3: that I'm most familiar with are NORRAT blocks North American
Speaker 3: Aerospace Defense Command loogs describing sighting reports by security personnel
Speaker 3: at these missile sites, describing safcare shaped objects, cigar shaped objects,
Speaker 3: triangular shaped objects capable of hovering and high speed hovering
Speaker 3: around the missiles. And there's one document from that November
Speaker 3: seventy five timeframe from Monsterrom Air Force Base where it
Speaker 3: states in these NORAT will that jet fighters were sent
Speaker 3: out to the missile sites that were being impacted, and
Speaker 3: as soon as the jets arrived at the sites, the
Speaker 3: lights went out. The UFOs extinguished their illumination and were
Speaker 3: not visible, but as soon as the jets left the
Speaker 3: vicinity and went back to base, they re illuminated themselves
Speaker 3: and kept surveying the missile sites. So some pretty dramatic stuff.
Speaker 2: You have a guess on the agenda of these things
Speaker 2: that have happened over and over they fly over these sites.
Speaker 2: Are they gathering information? Are they trying to send a
Speaker 2: message to us, Hey, these might be your most powerful weapons.
Speaker 2: They don't impress us. Are they figuring out how they need,
Speaker 2: what they'd have to do to take them down in
Speaker 2: case Independence Day scenario over happens. What do you think?
Speaker 3: My opinion, and I've said this on the lecture circuit
Speaker 3: for decades that I think, first, these are non human intelligences.
Speaker 3: I think they're probably wagging a finger at humans US
Speaker 3: and the Russians and probably other nuclear powers that have
Speaker 3: these weapons and cases things going on that I've never
Speaker 3: heard about because it's so secret. But I think they're
Speaker 3: basically saying, you're playing with fire. You need to think
Speaker 3: twice about this nuclear weapons thing. But I've also said
Speaker 3: that if they have a presence here on Earth, an
Speaker 3: ongoing presence, if they have bases here, if they have
Speaker 3: projects here, if they're involved in certain activities in the
Speaker 3: earthly realm, then a major nuclear war would impact their
Speaker 3: projects and their plans, you know, as much as it
Speaker 3: would impact human civilization. So their reasons may not be
Speaker 3: entirely altruistic. They may be self serving in the sense
Speaker 3: that they're trying to protect what they've got going on here. Obviously,
Speaker 3: I don't know if anybody knows the answers. You know,
Speaker 3: they're at the Pentagon or the CIA, and they're not
Speaker 3: talking to me. Lue Alizondo has said, and I believe
Speaker 3: he may have said this in answer to one of
Speaker 3: the questions that the committee meets this past week, he
Speaker 3: thinks what he's describing, what he interprets these visits to
Speaker 3: sensitive military facilities quote unquote, he thinks it could be
Speaker 3: what I believe the term he used was initial preparation
Speaker 3: of the battlefield, whereby these entities who pilot the craft
Speaker 3: may be intending something nefarious, something ominous, and they're more
Speaker 3: or less checking out all of our sites, where do
Speaker 3: we have missiles, where do we produce you know, plutonium,
Speaker 3: and in Russia too, So who knows, Let's hope not.
Speaker 3: You know, I would want him, everyone should want him
Speaker 3: to think in those very cautious terms, because I don't
Speaker 3: think anyone has the answers, and we can't rule out
Speaker 3: that some of these entities aren't hostiles. So I'm glad
Speaker 3: that lou and the people in government are at least,
Speaker 3: you know, looking at things from that perspective. But I
Speaker 3: hope that that's not the case. I hope that my
Speaker 3: interpretation of the situation is more to the point it's
Speaker 3: really going on.
Speaker 2: You know. I guess it'd be foolhardy for us to
Speaker 2: hope that, in the event that humans were stupid enough
Speaker 2: to launch nuclear weapons at each other in World War
Speaker 2: three erupts, that somebody might intervene and stop it from
Speaker 2: blowing us all up. But I mean, I would hate
Speaker 2: to roll those dice and expect some other power to
Speaker 2: intervene just because they've been checking out our weapons. You know,
Speaker 2: we don't know who they are, where they're from, and
Speaker 2: we don't know what their long term objectives are. Do we.
Speaker 3: That's right, and so again, you know, I respect Lou
Speaker 3: for everything he's done. He's a hero of mine. He
Speaker 3: should be a hero for all of us, and Dave
Speaker 3: Grush and people like that. But you know, they do
Speaker 3: come from intelligence background, and it's really their job to
Speaker 3: thinking the worst case scenario terms, just in case things
Speaker 3: do take a bad turn. And so you know, again,
Speaker 3: I personally would want them to have that perspective, but
Speaker 3: I don't think that that's what's going on. In my view,
Speaker 3: They've been doing this now since the forties. I mean,
Speaker 3: I've had sources who were in the military in the
Speaker 3: nineteen forties talking about UFOs maneuvering around plutonium production sites
Speaker 3: and bomber bases, our first nuclear bomber bases. So if
Speaker 3: they were planning to strike and they were just checking
Speaker 3: out where the weapons were located and so on, they
Speaker 3: would have done it decades ago. So I just can't
Speaker 3: buy into this interpretation that it's some sort of initial
Speaker 3: preparation of the battlefield as Lou describes it.
Speaker 2: Well, Roswell five oh nine, the only active atomic bomber
Speaker 2: wing in the world was Roswell, New Mexico, and there
Speaker 2: were UFOs around there Los Alamos, San Dia, White Sands,
Speaker 2: all those facilities. In the forties, they had UFO incidents,
Speaker 2: the green fireballs over atomic facilities in those days, I mean,
Speaker 2: right to the beginning of our atomic age trendity included
Speaker 2: there were UFOs flying around that And as you discovered,
Speaker 2: there were a lot of UFO incidents here in Nevada,
Speaker 2: the Nevada Test Site, which is the most new place
Speaker 2: in the world, I guess, and there were a lot
Speaker 2: of sightings, even though the AEC and DOE have said nope,
Speaker 2: we don't have any records on any of them.
Speaker 3: That's right. It's just so widespread and so you know, ongoing.
Speaker 3: And you mentioned the Nevada Test Site. Quickly I interviewed
Speaker 3: a man named Walter Levine who was a military policeman
Speaker 3: and air policeman at the Nevada Test Site in nineteen
Speaker 3: fifty five during one series of nuclear tests, and he
Speaker 3: said that he and three other persons in his squadron
Speaker 3: were taped for special observer duty and they were ordered
Speaker 3: to show up at this little shack out in the desert,
Speaker 3: and when they got inside, it had this very elaborate
Speaker 3: ranging equipment where you had a window with a grid
Speaker 3: lines on the window with this device set up that
Speaker 3: they would look through like like a microscope or a telescope,
Speaker 3: and it would all allow them to determine the distance
Speaker 3: and the altitude of unknown areal objects UFOs that would
Speaker 3: appear upon a regular basis during these nuclear tests. And
Speaker 3: he went into great length about that. Gabe. You know,
Speaker 3: I've got all his credentials. I know he was in
Speaker 3: that squadron and did the work that he said it did,
Speaker 3: So that's pretty crazy.
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