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Speaker 1: Ridiculous crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth does Zaren Burnette. So good to see you, my friend.

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Speaker 2: How are you being so good?

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Speaker 3: To see me too? I am feeling so much better

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Speaker 3: than I have.

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Speaker 2: You sound good? Do you sound like you feel better?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I think I might have for the rest of

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Speaker 3: my life a slight graveliness. But hey, I can make

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Speaker 3: it work. I think I've recovered. I can breathe. So anyway,

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Speaker 3: enough about me.

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Speaker 2: Yes, how are you well? I'm find fine. Yeah, it

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Speaker 2: doesn't matter, you know, it's ridiculous, I do what?

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. Okay, so this We've heard a lot

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Speaker 3: about this one. This has been forwarded to me through

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Speaker 3: our various Oh no, no, no, I just have a really

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Speaker 3: quick question for you. I'll have you ever owned a

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Speaker 3: pair of Crocs?

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Speaker 2: No? No, no, I mean nothing against people who do,

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Speaker 2: or the shoes themselves. It's just not my bag.

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Speaker 3: It's just not your thing. My nephew has a sign

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Speaker 3: that he wrote for his door and that says no

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Speaker 3: shoes or crocs allowed, my boy. So they're not really

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Speaker 3: technically shoes the New Verse. Yeah, he's four rules anyway,

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Speaker 3: So crocs. This is a mash up, I know, And

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Speaker 3: like I said, the interns have been forwarded me from

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Speaker 3: every method of communication, so I can't nail it down

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Speaker 3: to who found this.

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Speaker 2: First they tell you about how I like mean mug

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Speaker 2: them in the break room. I'm like, yeah, huh, I

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Speaker 2: know what you do.

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Speaker 3: You're trying to log in and erase all that stuff.

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Speaker 3: So they told they told me about this. People are

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Speaker 3: losing it. It's Crocs have joined forces with Pringles, and

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Speaker 3: it says, I'll read the copy of come Together for

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Speaker 3: a fun collection that satisfies every flavor of fashion. So

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Speaker 3: they're the classic clog but they're like shiny, like glossy,

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Speaker 3: and they're mismatched. So one pair has read an orange

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Speaker 3: and the other has green and blue, like different colors.

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Speaker 3: And it says, so you don't have to choose between

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Speaker 3: your favorite flavors. That heel strap thing that you give

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Speaker 3: a converto strap that go back and forth backstrap action,

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Speaker 3: it's the shape of that the Pringles dude's mustache.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah right.

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Speaker 3: And then it also it comes with like the what

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Speaker 3: they call gibbets charms. That's stuff that people stick in

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Speaker 3: the shoes. I've seen ones where it's like looks like

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Speaker 3: toes coming out. That's the only thing I indoors and

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Speaker 3: so anyway, glossy surface. They're incredibly light and fun to wear.

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Speaker 3: They say seventy dollars on the Croc's website.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how much Crocks normally cost.

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Speaker 3: I don't know either, but I've fifty dollars I suppose, so,

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Speaker 3: I mean it's fifty bucks is what it looks like

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Speaker 3: for just a standard. But then it gets worse.

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Speaker 2: Sarin, Oh, really, I'm shocked.

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Speaker 3: Because they came up with something else promising before the website.

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Speaker 3: When I tried to look at on the Croc's website,

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Speaker 3: it doesn't It's not there anymore. I think it either

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Speaker 3: got banned or sold out.

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Speaker 2: They realized they made boots like croc boots. Yeah, how

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Speaker 2: does it even work? Do they have the backstrap?

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Speaker 3: No, they're just boots, and so it says with Pringles

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Speaker 3: and Crocs Classic Crush Boot purchase. I don't know if

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Speaker 3: these are supposed to be used in crush fetish videos.

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Speaker 3: Buyers will also be eligible to receive Crocktail Party Flavor,

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Speaker 3: which is a new Pringles flavor which is PS watermelon

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Speaker 3: chili lime flavor. I don't know what happened there, but

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Speaker 3: it's a boot, right, Like, it's a Crocs material boot

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Speaker 3: that must get so sweaty because it doesn't have the

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Speaker 3: boot doesn't have the airholes. And then it comes with

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Speaker 3: a holster in the side, like a koozie on the

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Speaker 3: side that you slip the Pringles cannon like.

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Speaker 2: An ankle holster on the outside of it looks.

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Speaker 3: It looks like a home arrest ankle monitor, but you

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Speaker 3: put a Pringles can in it. Anyway, I know this

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Speaker 3: is going on way too long, but they got like

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Speaker 3: some of the biggest names really celebrity hood.

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Speaker 2: Really name a big name Elizabeth.

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Speaker 3: Ashley Simpson who's apparently married to some dude named Evan Ross.

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Speaker 2: I don't know who he is, ross boy.

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Speaker 3: And you know, they did like a sponsored content on

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Speaker 3: their Instagram of them wearing these absolutely hideous.

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Speaker 2: Boots, Like, how are these okay?

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Speaker 3: Sarah?

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Speaker 2: It's ridiculous, Elizabeth. You want I'll flip it around. You

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Speaker 2: want to know what my favorite pringles mashup is?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: What's that?

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Speaker 2: The guy who invented it had them bury him in

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Speaker 2: a Pringles can. He's like, yeah, I turned that into

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Speaker 2: my cast yet, so he has cremated put in the can.

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Speaker 2: They're like, let's do it.

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Speaker 3: I like it.

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Speaker 2: That's a mashup. That is all right, Well, you know

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Speaker 2: what's also death and pringles. What I'm going to tell

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Speaker 2: you today involves your close personal friend Steve Harvey, but

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Speaker 2: also Donald Trump and Vanessa Williams.

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Speaker 2: Can you guess what all three of them happened? I

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Speaker 2: don't know the answer. Elizabeth beauty pageant scandals. Oh no,

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Speaker 2: some were criminal, all of them were ridiculous. This is

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Speaker 2: ridiculous crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers. Heice

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Speaker 2: and cons. It's always ninety nine percent orter free and ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: See signor Oh Elizabeth beauty pageants. Yeah they're wild right.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I kind of guess that, but I had

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Speaker 2: no idea. So what do you remember the twenty fifteen

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Speaker 2: Miss Universe pageant?

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Speaker 3: Is that the one when the wrong one got announced?

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Speaker 3: It was a La La Land situation.

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Speaker 2: I'll give you a hint.

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Speaker 3: Okay, black Steve Harvey.

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Speaker 2: Yes, your close personal friend Steve Harvey was the host

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Speaker 2: of the twenty fifteen Miss Universe pageant.

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Speaker 3: So the Steve Harvey thing with me is twofold. I

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Speaker 3: think I've mentioned on here that my trivia team is

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Speaker 3: Steve Harvey Oswald. Yes. And then also my brother does

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Speaker 3: a really good impression of Steve Harvey saying OK. And

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Speaker 3: then I do an impression of my brother doing the impression, and.

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Speaker 2: Then I do an impression of you doing an impression

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Speaker 2: of your brother doing an impression of Steve Harvey.

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Speaker 3: And then sometimes producer Dave does he.

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Speaker 2: Impression it's a game metallic phone.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's it's there are a lot of impressions

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Speaker 2: Well, your close personal friend Steve Harris, he was supposed

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Speaker 2: to announce the winner, right and you were right there

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Speaker 2: with a la la land mix up. He proclaimed it

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Speaker 2: was Miss Columbia Ariadna Gutierrez right now, it was not,

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Speaker 2: because it doesn't matter. He walks off the stage. Producers

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Speaker 2: come up to him tell him he flubbed the call.

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Speaker 2: So Steve Harvey right, what does he do? He marches

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Speaker 2: his mustache right back out on him in the giant suit,

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Speaker 2: and he says, I have to apologize, and then he

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Speaker 2: went silent for a long awkward moment. Standing there. People

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Speaker 2: are to look at Adham like, what's he apologize for?

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Speaker 2: What happened? Backstage, Steve, He's like, and then the first

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Speaker 2: runner up is Miss Columbia, Miss Philippines, take your first

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Speaker 2: walk as Miss You, And so he introduces the actual winner.

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Speaker 2: The actual winner was Miss Philippines, Pia Alonzo Wertzbock. Now

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Speaker 2: the reaction to Steve Harvey's primetime mistake, Elizabeth, you remember

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Speaker 2: it laughably outside right, Yeah, it was twenty fifteen, a

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Speaker 3: Oh man, it really was.

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Speaker 2: You can believe it now. One law firm in Colombia

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Speaker 2: went so far as to threaten to file a lawsuit

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Speaker 2: against the Miss Universe pageant. According to Miami Herald, they

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Speaker 2: claimed that, quote, the crown is an acquired right. They

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Speaker 2: cannot be taken away from us. It was like a flag.

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Speaker 3: Plantic I you know what, file the lawsuits for it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Now they took beauty pageants pretty seriously in Columbia, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 2: But more on that later. For now, back to your

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Speaker 2: close personal friend Steve Harvey. Yeah, Now here's how he

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Speaker 2: recalled how it went down. Here's the situation. Now, when

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Speaker 2: the mistakes was made, when I said the wrong woman's name,

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Speaker 2: I can only give information I had no one knows,

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Speaker 2: and that information is not in the teleprompter, because you've

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Speaker 2: the difference being on the card it said first runner up.

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Speaker 2: Now what happened? How how it got like that, how

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Speaker 2: it was done, how it was worked on? That's neither

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Speaker 2: here nor there. I said the name that was on

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Speaker 2: then after that all hell broke loose.

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Speaker 3: Wait, let me nobody knows. I think everybody knows. You

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Speaker 3: didn't read, he says, just on the card, I know.

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Speaker 2: Steve his thumb covered the answer.

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Speaker 3: Oh, you're kidding me.

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Speaker 2: There was two answers high and one answer low, and

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Speaker 2: he puts his dear one. Six years after the event,

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Speaker 2: Steve Harvey was still talking about it. He told a

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Speaker 2: podcast that it was the worst week of my life,

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Speaker 2: the worst week of This man used to be homeless,

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Speaker 2: living in a car before he made it big as

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Speaker 3: I'll take that as the worst week of a life.

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Speaker 3: If you can say that, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, host a family feud. He also said it was

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Speaker 2: a painful night there dog. Oh god, I don't know

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Speaker 2: how the pain I was in I didn't know how

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Speaker 2: and as he recalled, I took my stupid back out there.

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Speaker 2: I should have let them announce it the next day

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Speaker 2: in the newspaper. I wouldn't have caught none of that.

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Speaker 2: Hell I caught Wait what? Yeah, He's like, I shouldn't

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, what.

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Speaker 2: Kind of hell did he catch? Elizabeth? Great question, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 2: Steve Harvey received a deluge of harassment from people all

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Speaker 2: around the world because Miss Universe has contestants from all

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Speaker 2: the countries, right.

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Speaker 3: So did you get in on that?

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Speaker 2: No? And I just have his phone number, so I

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Speaker 2: just texted him. I don't bother.

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Speaker 3: You're like, I'm just disappointed, and come on, man, Reno,

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Speaker 3: what happened?

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Speaker 2: Now? People's getting emails, tweets, people posted on all the

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Speaker 2: social media's. They're also writing him in handwritten obscene letters

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Speaker 2: in any different languages.

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Speaker 3: Let's get into that. Let's sending people handwritten I.

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Speaker 2: Want to receive them, you want to send them, I

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Speaker 2: want to receive them. So the funniest part is how

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Speaker 2: the same thing happened to Steve Harvey twice. So he

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Speaker 2: goes back he's still the host. Twenty nineteen, he makes

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Speaker 2: the same blunder.

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Speaker 3: Again again, and then people were tired of it. That's

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Speaker 3: why we didn't hear about it.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, wait, it just wasn't as fresh. Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: again it involved the contestant, Miss Philippines. Don't know what

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Speaker 2: it is with her, but Steve Harvey's on stage a

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Speaker 2: photo Miss Philippines is shown as if prompted, Steve Harvey declares,

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Speaker 2: this is it right here now he announces the winner,

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Speaker 2: who was a contestant standing beside him, but was clearly

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Speaker 2: not the same woman who's just shown on the screen.

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Speaker 2: Steve Harvey tells the crowd at the Miss Universe pageant,

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Speaker 2: let me let me explain something to you. I was

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Speaker 2: just reading that in the teleprompter. Y'all gotta quit doing

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Speaker 2: this to me. I can read right now. They are

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Speaker 2: trying to fix it. Now. See this is what they

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Speaker 2: You can't keep a king of comedy down from Elizabeth.

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Speaker 2: big name in pageants, Donald Trump. From nineteen ninety six

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Speaker 3: When Steve Harvey messed up in twenty fifteen, that was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I know, like it's weird. You can go

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Speaker 2: oh we got Miss Love. Yeah, there you go. If

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Speaker 2: you win Miss Usa, you work as a beauty ambassador, right, that's.

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Speaker 2: you know who is the most famous Miss America of

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Speaker 2: Way to make her right, Miss America.

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Speaker 3: Yes, right, I couldn't name another Miss America exactly.

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Speaker 3: Even with Miss USA or whatever that I have no

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Speaker 2: They're not as big as they once were. No, but

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Speaker 2: So one big change beauty contestants for Miss America would

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: So now, I'm not here to make fun of beauty pageants, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: that'd be too easy. That's my job. I've researched them.

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Speaker 2: I've got all this, Ammo. But you stay hot, Let's

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Speaker 2: get into it, all right, Elizabeth zaren So. As I

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Speaker 3: All I know about beauty pageants is that Toddlers and

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, that was gonna mention.

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Speaker 3: Really, I mean, I'm saying, like, let's pretend I watched TV.

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Speaker 2: Of course, of course you don't watch TV, but.

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Speaker 3: You did, you would watch That would be my point

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Speaker 2: Do you know they like you? Probably well know or

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Speaker 2: maybe don't. They have three year olds competing on this show.

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Speaker 2: Yes, there was one episode there's a three year old

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Speaker 2: Now I've seen the images. At all I can say

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Speaker 2: is wow, parents, Wow, come on now, So you're familiar.

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Speaker 3: With this show, familiar with the show Cupcake hands, the

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Sarah, Sarah, okay show.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then we walked away from reality television. I

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Speaker 2: You guys are over. You guys should get into like

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not actually gonna make that case, but I will.

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Speaker 2: I will repeat what other people have said in a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, of course, but only by months.

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Speaker 2: You know, it wasn't like like a long time. It

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Speaker 3: Right, I could totally see it. And you know, like

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Speaker 2: Totally, No, for real, it would be some of these

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Speaker 3: It's like Susan B. Anthony and the gals are doing

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Speaker 2: It takes all kinds, Elizabeth two wings to flap a bird.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 2: So the next year, the first official Miss America event

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Speaker 2: This one was more reasonably taking place September twenty fifth,

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Speaker 2: So out from the very beginning, these pageants were seen

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Speaker 2: They couldn't have future mind didn't look back. So when

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Speaker 3: These ladies are allowed to walk alone.

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Speaker 2: This is how they hyped it. There's reasons too, the

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Speaker 2: Well, obviously it didn't take long for the pageants to

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Speaker 2: they were obviously sidelined very quickly. Over time, beauty gets

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Speaker 2: this topic is that beauty pageant contestants always point out

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Speaker 3: Being there, Let's join together to court the male gaze.

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Speaker 2: Well, just create, foster and protect a sisterhood. We'll say, right, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: I take you to the annual Your Highness Grandmother pageant.

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Speaker 4: Your Highness Grandmother, Okay, every senior women of the Russian

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Speaker 2: Now, starting in the nineteen seventies, immigants from the Soviet

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Speaker 2: the US. We'll just say right now, for this contest,

436
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Speaker 2: a dozen or so grandmothers they compete in the beauty pageant.

437
00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:02,080
Speaker 2: The judges are all grandfathers, so it's even stage appropriate. Yes, exactly.

438
00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:03,840
Speaker 2: That you have to be a grandfather to be a judge.

439
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 2: So what did these grandfather judges look for? Is one

440
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,639
Speaker 2: judge put it optimism, these pursuit of happiness and very

441
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,639
Speaker 2: important support from family. Okay, so yeah, Now when he

442
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,520
Speaker 2: says support from family, he's talking about an insane amount

443
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,760
Speaker 2: of love for the grandmothers. Like some families charter buses

444
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 2: so they can bring in everybody in.

445
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:21,399
Speaker 3: The family on.

446
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,200
Speaker 2: They shout and clap the gut homemade signs. Right. The

447
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 2: judges are like, oh, yes, we love this because, as

448
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 2: the guy said, and I quote, they're supposed to see

449
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,439
Speaker 2: that the babushka is not an old lady in a

450
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,959
Speaker 2: bathrobe preparing the lacas or kathlets that are bashka are

451
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,159
Speaker 2: colorful people, full of life. Right. Oh bah.

452
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Speaker 6: The contests are split into two groups right over and

453
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,880
Speaker 6: under seventy seven that's the divide with and so yeah,

454
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 6: if you're wonder Elizabeth, there's no swimsuit competition. Instead, the

455
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 6: beauty pageant is about, as the judge explained, the overall

456
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 6: beauty of the person inside the that. Yeah, so the

457
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 6: beauty pageant was started as a response to American culture.

458
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 6: So these Soviet Union people, well some of them bobbous,

459
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,240
Speaker 6: have predated the original ones to get in the seventies.

460
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,640
Speaker 6: They predated like you know, the revolution. So we got

461
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,920
Speaker 6: multiple views, some sor some Soviet, but some older women.

462
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 6: They arrive and as the founder of this group, Risa

463
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 6: Tcherannina said, quote, my mom would watch a lot of

464
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Speaker 6: American TV talent, showed competitions like America's Got Talent, and said,

465
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,719
Speaker 6: one day, what can we do for grandmothers? Right, so

466
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,159
Speaker 6: she obviously she starts this in the nineties or I

467
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 6: guess the early odds. So Raisa, she created a beauty

468
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,879
Speaker 6: contestant for women. Women spend about a month preparing for

469
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Speaker 6: this pageant. They perform three tasks in competition, just like

470
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 6: kind of like Miss America and the others. So one

471
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Speaker 6: is a performance we're in the women in the past

472
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Speaker 6: they've done usually like a song or dance from your youth.

473
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Speaker 3: Okay. When you first started telling me, I thought that

474
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Speaker 3: this was happening in like nineteen ten or whatever.

475
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Speaker 2: This is a recent yeah, okay. So now there's also

476
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 2: there's a costume contest where women create a traditional costume

477
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 2: and then finally there's an unexpected challenger test, because life's

478
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 2: gonna throw you unexpected challenges or tests. I guess.

479
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Speaker 3: Wow.

480
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 2: One example of a challenge was roller skating, So they

481
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 2: got always like older ladies out there, and that you've

482
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 2: kind of held dangerous for a population that's with broken Yeah,

483
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,439
Speaker 2: the risk of danger, yeah, but hey, I like the spirit,

484
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,360
Speaker 2: you know, ladies. Yeah, and you know I'm always gonna

485
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 2: be on team roller blades, so hey, get you some

486
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 2: skate babies. Anyway, My favorite part of all this was

487
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 2: when the founder Risa admitted that in past years, grandmas

488
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 2: have tried to bribe the judges. Yeah, like a grandma

489
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 2: allegedly passed some boudoir style photos to a judge to

490
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 2: kind of curry some favor, Like, hey, well, do you

491
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 2: think Alexis Risea put it laughingly? Of course they want

492
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 2: to bribe the judges since day first.

493
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Speaker 3: That's amazing, since stay first, that's what she said.

494
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 2: Boom. This brings us to the crime portion of today's episode. Bribery,

495
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 2: scandals and cheating right apparently mad common in the beauty

496
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Speaker 2: pageant world. I was looking around the world, Elizabeth, anywhere

497
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 2: I looked, I could find this from Spain to South Korea.

498
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 2: Was there Zimbabwe? Back to like Russia that was there,

499
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Speaker 2: South Korea will start. There was a ivory scandal for

500
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Speaker 2: Miss Korea. One of the contestants families allegedly bribed a

501
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 2: judge to give her daughter a leg up in the pageant. Right,

502
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 2: so like a mother, this mother, she gives money to

503
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 2: someone from the newspaper, the Korea Times. Like why the

504
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 2: Korea Times, Yeah, good question of Elizabeth. They are the host

505
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 2: of the pageant. So this newspaper puts it on investigation

506
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 2: is of course launched. A contestant from a prior year

507
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 2: confessed that one of the senior staff of the contests

508
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 2: told me to buy off two judges. He gave me

509
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,919
Speaker 2: a bank account and told me to wire the money

510
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 2: to that. Oh well there you go, past winner, right

511
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 2: so or past contestant. A TV program they go and

512
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 2: they investigate the scandal. They reported on the whole thing,

513
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:40,439
Speaker 2: and they came to the conclusion or this is what

514
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 2: they reported for a first place, when it was understood

515
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 2: that if a woman paid five hundred million wand which

516
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 2: is Korea's money, yeah, or about that's about four hundred

517
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 2: and seventy thousand US dollars. At the time, she would

518
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 2: be named Miss Korea oh for second place. The bribe

519
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 2: was about three hundred million one Why would you bribe

520
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 2: someone to get.

521
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 3: To set one place? Well, you don't have that much money.

522
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 2: You're like, we just want on the stand. You want

523
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 2: to give me a medal. Yeah. As a result, the

524
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 2: Korea Time had to apologize. The most recent Winter had

525
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 2: to make a statement that neither she nor her parents

526
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,959
Speaker 2: had bribed any judges, and of course doubt had surfaced

527
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 2: and would not easily be swept over. Yeah. Yeah, which

528
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 2: takes us to Colombia. Oh, oh, Colombia. Now remember I

529
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 2: said they take beauty pageants? Seriously? Oh boy, how did

530
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 2: do they? The La Times reported on this phenomenon back

531
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 2: in like the late nineties. They noted that quote girls

532
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,439
Speaker 2: in Colombia dream of growing up to be queen. They

533
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 2: imagine hearing their names being called and walking down the

534
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 2: runway to be crowned Queen of Rice, Queen of the sea,

535
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 2: Queen for a harvest or a day. So they have

536
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Speaker 2: Queen of.

537
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 3: The Sea, Queen seaweed, yes, not teeth.

538
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 2: That's where you go. No, like clamshell opens up and

539
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 2: you step out. Yeah, you're so sticking of seawater.

540
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

541
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 2: We got bowl kelp all over here.

542
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got like a crab hanging off one ear lobe.

543
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 2: It's my jewelry.

544
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 3: Exactly.

545
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 2: So anthropologist Maria Victoria Ribe, she said, there are more

546
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 2: beauty contests here. There are millions of queens. The queens

547
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 2: are a sort of oasis and opiate of the masses.

548
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 2: Now she should know because she was Miss Bogata in

549
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 2: nineteen sixteen.

550
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 3: Oh she got like a serious Miss Bogata.

551
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 2: Miss Bogota. Oh yeah, she got one of them real queens.

552
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 3: I guess she's not like, you know, Queen of the of.

553
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 2: The of the corn Dispatch, the corn distributor. I know.

554
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 3: I was like, what could she possibly.

555
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 2: Get, Queen of the Carnaves cornas Aria.

556
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

557
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 2: Excited mean that one. So now we also elizab because

558
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 2: it's Columbia. We have to factor in the role of

559
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 2: narco traffickers.

560
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah.

561
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 2: They start using beauty pageants as a form of competition

562
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 2: between them and a way to advertise their power. So

563
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 2: they get in on this game, and so now they're

564
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 2: starting to rig all these contests. Yeah, there's this author.

565
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 2: His name is etke Homo Setina, an amazing name. His

566
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 2: first name is eke Homo no way all one word wow.

567
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 2: So he wrote a book called Queen in Check, which

568
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 2: is about the drug barons and their influence on beauty pageants.

569
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 2: And so, for instance, my dude, Pablo Escobar, he kept

570
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 2: a signed photo of a beauty queen on his cell

571
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 2: like in his wall in prison.

572
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

573
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 2: The photo was a nineteen ninety one finalist for Miss Colombia,

574
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 2: not even the winner, apparently. I don't know how his

575
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 2: bribes were working out in ninety one. He's like kind

576
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 2: of on the run at that point. So she'd personally

577
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 2: written to him on the back of her photo. I

578
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 2: haven't her favorite girlfriend, thank you for the trip and

579
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 2: all the lovely things you gave me for carta Hana,

580
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 2: Oh heavens. So now when I say my man Publo

581
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 2: Escobar for our Colombian listeners, I want to be clear.

582
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 2: I don't like Pablo Escobar. I'm not like rooting for

583
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 2: Publo Escobar. I'm also not trying to excuse the crimes

584
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 2: against him. Yeah. I call him my man the same

585
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 2: way that people have favorite US presidents. Okay, I don't

586
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 2: think these are morally good queen men disgusting. Yeah, I'm

587
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 2: just saying there's a powerful person who's part of history, Like.

588
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 3: That's comical and disgusting exactly what he shows up here.

589
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 2: And he's a horrific person. So I want to make clear,

590
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 2: like if I say al Capone's my man, I'm not.

591
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 3: Like like, oh yeah.

592
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 2: I'm riding Shaka with al Capone.

593
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 7: Man.

594
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 2: What's up y'all? No, not like that anyway. The open

595
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 2: secret the Colombian beauty queens are backed by drug traffickers.

596
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 2: This ultimately hurts the beauty queens on the world stage.

597
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 2: There has not been a Miss Columbia named is Miss

598
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 2: Universe the ultimate winner on the national or the international

599
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 2: stage since nineteen fifty eight. Elizabeth, do you think.

600
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 3: That's why Steve Harvey do you think he had in

601
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 3: his pocket and then they caught him in it?

602
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 2: Like Steve, you've been brob Son, keep back out there,

603
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 2: no no money? Oh man? Yeah, He's like, I'm not

604
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 2: going to race the mustache. I'm going back out. Yeah.

605
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 2: So Miss Columbia was the runner up three years running,

606
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety two, nineteen ninety three, nineteen ninety four. They

607
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 2: just seemed to win. Now, remember in Steve Harvey, as

608
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 2: you pointed out, that was a Miss Columbia twenty fifteen.

609
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 2: And uh, anyway, poor Miss Columbia, I've been bad mouth

610
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 2: by the narco trafficker just.

611
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 3: The idea of the bridesmaid.

612
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 2: You know, you know what I'm saying, Elizabeth. Now let's

613
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 2: get back to the Miss USA competition for some more

614
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 2: domestic scandals and domestic crimes USA number one. So on

615
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 2: October third, twenty twenty two, very recent a woman named

616
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 2: our Bonnie Gabriel. She won the Miss USA contest. She's

617
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 2: a fashion designer from Texas. She was named Miss Texas

618
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: obviously first. Then she went on to win the whole shebang.

619
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 2: She was the first Filipino American to be named Miss Usa.

620
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 3: Okay, go ahead, boom right.

621
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 2: Soon after she won, number of former beauty contestants they

622
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 2: all come forward to say, the Miss USA beauty pageant

623
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 2: is rigged. Oh the sister pageant, Miss Universe. They step

624
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 2: in to tap down all this negative versity. They can't

625
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 2: have this right, so they said, and I quote, we

626
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 2: firmly believe everyone has a right to express their thoughts

627
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 2: and experiences without retaliation and bullying. There are existing systems

628
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 2: in place to ensure the fairness of our national competitions,

629
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 2: and as such, we have begun an active of review

630
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 2: into the situation. Now people are gonna get to the

631
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 2: bottom of things. Elizabeth.

632
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

633
00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 2: So as for her reputation, Gabrielle the MISSUS tech Miss USA,

634
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 2: she told the Washington Post the pageant was quote not rigged.

635
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, obviously she's rigged the heck up of it.

636
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 3: I finessed that brought the most delicious tray of lumpia.

637
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 2: Do you want to see the pictures? She added that quote.

638
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 2: Of course, the current allegations are based on perception and

639
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 2: not the truth. I would never want to enter a

640
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 2: competition that was rigged. I know all of the contestants

641
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 2: worked really hard to prepare, and I don't want these

642
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 2: allegations to overshadow the accomplishments of all the women who

643
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 2: participated in this year's Miss USA competition. She's not defending herself, Elizabeth,

644
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 2: She's defending all the potential. Miss USA's a banger. The

645
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 2: president of Miss USA pageant at the time was a

646
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 2: woman named Crystal Stewart. She was also a former Miss

647
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 2: Texas and a former Miss USA. Oh okay, and she

648
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 2: confirmed that as a former title holder, I learned firsthand

649
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 2: the importance of the fair and unbiased pageant competition, and

650
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 2: I respect the voices of the class of twenty twenty

651
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 2: two and every woman's right to have her voice heard.

652
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

653
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 2: So now there's that sense of sisterhood, right, you know

654
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 2: they're all just doing it no anyway, Okay, So she

655
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 2: promised Spin that she and the Miss USA organization would

656
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 2: cooperate in the Miss Universe investigation as transparently as possible,

657
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 2: and then she announced her own internal investigation. So what

658
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 2: were the allegations? Great question, thank you. Following our Bonnie

659
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 2: Gabriel's win, TikTok gets lit up by contestants Miss New York,

660
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: she she took to Instagram. So she goes on Instagram

661
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 2: stories and says she's humiliated. I am lost for words.

662
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 2: The way I entered this pageant, I gave it every

663
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 2: last bit of my heart and soul. We were humiliated.

664
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 2: Thenk can we enter something with a fair chance?

665
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 5: Right?

666
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 3: So what? Okay, you're gonna tell.

667
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 2: Me, But first I'm gonna let their voices, you know,

668
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 2: tell you the story of Elizabeth Miss New York. She

669
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 2: ended with The only reason I am speaking up is

670
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 2: to prevent future contestants from feeling the way that I do,

671
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 2: for all the little girls who watch Miss USA with

672
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 2: the same dreams I had of working hard to be

673
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 2: in that position. You deserve a fair.

674
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 3: Chance, So they all thought they were going to be.

675
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 2: They're doing it for the girls, Elizabeth, not her own

676
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 2: hurt ego. It's for the little girl, that's true, Miss

677
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 2: Missouri MICHAELA McGee. She told Business Insider, A lot of

678
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 2: the girls felt like it was the organization's plan from

679
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 2: the beginning for our Bonnie to win, no matter who

680
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 2: else was competing. Why would they feel this way? Well,

681
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 2: it was complicated, Elizabeth. But the women promised they had receipts.

682
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 2: When the winner was announced, typically the other fifty pageant

683
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 2: competitors they always crowd around. Then there you go. When

684
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 2: Gabrielle won, the other fifty women walked off stage.

685
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 3: Wait what yes, No, that.

686
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 2: Was hinky as all hell, Elizabeth, Yeah, but there was

687
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 2: more b bah. Wait it gets worse. Former Miss USA

688
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 2: contestant Jasmine Jones said, not one of them stays on

689
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 2: stage to congratulate her or to run and hugger. In

690
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 2: my ten years of pageantry. I've never seen contestants walk

691
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 2: off the stage and not congratulate the girl. That's one.

692
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 3: What did she do this?

693
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 2: So when e with the exclamation point, I caught up

694
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 2: with Gabrielle and asked her about the on stage embarrassment.

695
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 2: She downplayed it, saying our time was cut short so

696
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 2: the girls couldn't come out to the stage, apparently because

697
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 2: there wasn't time and they didn't want their girls to

698
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 2: go into that bubble and maybe fall. So at least

699
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 2: that's what she had heard from the folks in production backstage.

700
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 2: And she also added when I went back to the girls,

701
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 2: they all hugged me. You just didn't see you weren't there, so.

702
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 3: They were just too excited for me. So they had

703
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 3: to go take a moment.

704
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, they needed to, like you know, unfroclemped. So this

705
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 2: was more than just Caddy's social snub, Elizabeth, There's a

706
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 2: lot more to this. The real ring leader of all

707
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 2: the posting on social media and the whole protest was

708
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 2: is miss Montana m Yeah, Heather Le O'Keefe. She came

709
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 2: out hard and heavy against Gabrielle. She pointed out that

710
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 2: when the winner's name was announced, Gabrielle didn't even look shocked.

711
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 2: It's like she knew or expected the result before it

712
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: was called. So Keith was also like on it with

713
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 2: the fact that there was the Miss Texas connections. So

714
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 2: Christelle and her both had the Miss Texas I had

715
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 2: TikTok fit o'keif claimed most of the Miss USA contestants

716
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 2: feel very strongly that there was favoritism towards Miss Texas USA,

717
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 2: and we have the receipts to prove it. And when

718
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 2: she says we, it really was a collective. There was

719
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 2: Miss Georgia, Miss New Jersey, Miss Kentucky, Miss Kansas, Miss Massachusetts,

720
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 2: Miss Virginia, Miss New York, Miss Missouri, and then obviously

721
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 2: Miss Montana. So there was a lot wout right. And

722
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 2: they pointed out that the head of Miss USA, Christelle

723
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 2: Stewart from Texas, was a former Miss USA and that

724
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 2: she was caught in this candid shot behind the scenes

725
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 2: doing Gabrielle's hair. This was apparently alleged evidence of their collusion. Gabrielle,

726
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 2: she was on it. She's like Christelle was there of course,

727
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,479
Speaker 2: and she stepped in and actually did my hair because

728
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 2: she said, hey, I can do a snatch ponytail, and

729
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 2: I said I'd love to see it, and the photos

730
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 2: were posted because social media doesn't always reflect reality or

731
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 2: to the time as it passes, so boom, there you go. Right.

732
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 2: So o'keith had other receipts though, because Miss USA was

733
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,240
Speaker 2: also coached up by Miss Academy, a beauty pageant training

734
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 2: company run by Christelle Stewart President, one would think according

735
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 2: to the primary Cary whistleblower, Miss Montana Gabrielle aka fellow

736
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 2: Miss Texas to Christal, was the only one who was

737
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 2: really featured on their pages, being one of their clients.

738
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 3: So are other people their clients?

739
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 2: Of course, about a lot of them more Yeah, So

740
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 2: Miss Montana noted that not to mention the actual Miss

741
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 2: us A page reposting Texas on the official Miss USA page,

742
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 2: and no other state contestant got this kind of treatment,

743
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 2: So there's like a whole thing that there's a lot

744
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 2: of posting. So there's a lot of posting evidence, right,

745
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 2: So Miss Montana alleged that the favoritism was obvious. Y'all.

746
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 2: Don't tell me you can't see it. Nothing against Texas

747
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 2: as a person. I truly think she could have won

748
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: fair and square, but unfortunately all this drama has tadened

749
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 2: her win. But there's just too much evidence of favoritism.

750
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 2: Let this go unnoticed. I love the expression nothing against Texas, see.

751
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 3: That nothing about Texas as a person. But I'm just

752
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 3: not going to use her name.

753
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 2: You have one more syllable to make that makes sense today,

754
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 2: Miss Texas could just for me like idiots like me.

755
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 2: Otherwise I'm picturing the entire state of Texas squeeze into

756
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 2: a ball game.

757
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, like I understand her humanity. I just refuse

758
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 3: to use her name totally.

759
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 2: So this fire controversy, scandals spirals out of control. Even

760
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 2: Miss Montano Keef has to distance herself from some of

761
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 2: the allegations. She says, I'm open to talking to her

762
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,399
Speaker 2: about it. I would love to communicate with her because

763
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of allegations coming up that

764
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 2: aren't true. Yes, that Sisterhood's is strong see no. After

765
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 2: the investigation, Miss Universe's spended former Miss USA Miss Texas

766
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight, Christelle Stewart from the presidency. True

767
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 2: to a beauty queen, she was graceful and lost. She

768
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 2: was as she was deposed from power as a form

769
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 2: of titleholder. I learned firsthand the importance of a fair

770
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 2: and unbiased pageant competition, and I respect the voices of

771
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 2: the class of twenty two and every woman's right to

772
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 2: have her voice heard. Now see, I'm telling you real

773
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 2: feminists right there. Women.

774
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 3: Women's what she said before I.

775
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 2: Know, I'm taking notes on how to be graceful though. Meanwhile,

776
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 2: Miss USA, our Bonnie Gabrielle continued to compete and the

777
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 2: next year, in January, she went on to win Miss Universe.

778
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 2: No Way. Gabrielle said, the hardest part was I felt

779
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 2: like I didn't have a voice at times. As Miss USA.

780
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 2: I wanted to stand up for myself and say, hey,

781
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,919
Speaker 2: this is false. This is very frustrating. But I want

782
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 2: to compose myself and carry this with grace. Because I

783
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 2: was in the public eye, I wanted to show people

784
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 2: how you can push back from adversity and be resilient

785
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 2: go what you bad, So Miss Universe she called it

786
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 2: the sweetest victory, and she added, this is a strong

787
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 2: message that I want to share with the world. No

788
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 2: matter if people try to knock you down or there

789
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 2: are misconceptions about you, you can't let that get to you.

790
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 2: You just keep going and you'll get what you deserve. Finally,

791
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 2: in August, the third party investigation gets concluded. The Miss

792
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 2: Universe organization deems that the allegations were false, but Crystal

793
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 2: Stewart was not reinstated.

794
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 3: Eventually, she had a peaceful transmission of power.

795
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 2: Yes she did. So there you go, though, Let's take

796
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 2: a little while.

797
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 3: Hold on. You know, Miss Montana is in like a

798
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 3: silo bunker somewhere with red thread.

799
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 2: All over the wall. This goes all the way to

800
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 2: the top.

801
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 3: She gets universest to make her nuts.

802
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 2: Oh of course. I mean these are like real emotional

803
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 2: highs and lows. They're just racing through. Yeah, total expectation

804
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden losing. They've trained for years.

805
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 2: She using like a little Olympic athletes, I know, of

806
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 2: beauty and talents. Yeah. So take a little break. Yeah,

807
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 2: and then we get back. I got one more for you.

808
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 3: Oh you're kidding.

809
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's good.

810
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 8: Oh boy?

811
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 2: Oh right, Elizabeth, alright, Zaren, we're back. Yeah we are

812
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 2: want to talk feminisms more?

813
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 3: Sure?

814
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 2: Okay, So that last one I told you about the

815
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 2: Miss USA scandal. It led to a documentary a docuseries

816
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 2: called How to Fix a Pageant by The New York Times,

817
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 2: and it was written and done by Nicole Rittenmeyer.

818
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 5: Right.

819
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 2: So, Nicole Rittenmeyer she found some really interesting angles and

820
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 2: results of the Miss USA scandal. And she was talking

821
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 2: to Salon about this in an interview and she said,

822
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 2: you know, every single person we talked to, even if

823
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,720
Speaker 2: they felt they had been done dirty or they didn't

824
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 2: get a fair share, or they've been maligned, literally every

825
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 2: single woman who had ever participated in pageants in any respect,

826
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 2: was like, I do not want pageants to die. I

827
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 2: think pageants offer so much. Now, of course the beauty

828
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 2: queens would say this, rightestines hunters say this about hunting.

829
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 2: People are going to say this about the thing they love.

830
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 2: But they also she noted that the pageant contestants all

831
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 2: argued for the feminist nature of beauty pageants. Right, and

832
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 2: so Rittenmeyer was raised by feminists. She considers herself a feminist.

833
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 2: So she interrogates this from that angle. She said, quote,

834
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 2: the very first thing that everyone cited was the sisterhood,

835
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: the lifelong friends. It sounds kind of cliche, like a

836
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 2: thing you would say for the press, but in reality,

837
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 2: I had no reason not to believe these women. They

838
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 2: all said it and they're all still friends.

839
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 3: Okay.

840
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:45,240
Speaker 2: She even went further. She argued that for gen Z feminists,

841
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 2: a beauty pageant didn't even define all womanhood. It was

842
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 2: just one expression, is how they thought. This was her reasoning,

843
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 2: she said, and I quote one of the things we

844
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 2: see with the gen Z women is they're kind of like,

845
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 2: why are their rules about what we can do and

846
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 2: can't do? Who said? Who made that up? And I

847
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 2: think that is the right evolution to feminism. We shouldn't

848
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 2: be in a situation where I'm judging one of these

849
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 2: young women and saying, how dare you get up there

850
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 2: in a bathing suit or in an evening gown or

851
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 2: whatever it is. If that's your bliss, that's how you

852
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 2: find your fullest explanation and exploration of being a strong,

853
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 2: powerful woman. Go girl, now up to she said, go girl.

854
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 2: I was right there.

855
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 3: But at the same time, she's saying, Okay, so don't

856
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 3: judge them because they like to wear a swimsuit. But

857
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 3: what if someone gets on there and they don't want

858
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 3: to wear a swimsuit? Then they're judging. The whole thing

859
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 3: is judging. So they're saying, you know, for them, that works.

860
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the judge, I think she's deemphasizing the judging

861
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 2: as well.

862
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 3: Here her spirit, it's okay if they want to wear

863
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 3: a swimsuit, what if they don't.

864
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 2: She speaks to the male gaze point, she said, I quote.

865
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 2: Another thing that's really interesting about this is there's this

866
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,959
Speaker 2: automatic assumption that it's all about the male gaze. That's

867
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 2: not who watches these shows. It's certainly not who participates,

868
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 2: but the people who watch this are women. So women

869
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 2: are performing for women, and now with a new ownership,

870
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 2: they've made it more and more of a fully woman

871
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 2: led organization. So now, what do you think.

872
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 3: I don't think it has to be immediate male gaze,

873
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 3: but just in my personal opinion, and again I'm sure

874
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 3: that plenty of people will disagree with me, and I

875
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 3: don't want to hear it if they do. But if

876
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 3: you're servicing this whole notion that's come up in our

877
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 3: society of how women are supposed to present themselves in

878
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 3: order to be women and to be you know, an ideal,

879
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 3: because that's what they're saying, Yes, that's crap.

880
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 2: I don't think they're supposed to be an ever present ideal.

881
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 2: There's there's just like one example of there.

882
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 3: But who decides that ideal?

883
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,959
Speaker 2: Well, these judges for their show, right, and then.

884
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 3: But that if you look go back, that's not something

885
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 3: that women created for women. That was created by the

886
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 3: men for this contest for the So you know, yeah,

887
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 3: you can have women in charge, but like you.

888
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 2: Know, still operating under presumption of precisely. Okay, well, now

889
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 2: we've had some fun, we've had some laughter, we had

890
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 2: some serious consideration. You ready for things to go truly

891
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 2: go sideways. Yes, let's return to one of the big names,

892
00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 2: Donald Trump. He's a beauty pageant guy. Yeah, the fact

893
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 2: in the stories I read he was often called it

894
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 2: a pageant overlord. That was the press the time. Right now,

895
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 2: I'm not going to talk about any of the gross

896
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 2: stuff about him, like peering into the dressing rooms and stuff.

897
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 2: There's something really funny that I can go with that,

898
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 2: And no, I don't even really want to discuss it

899
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 2: because it's just so wrong, Sarah.

900
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 3: The older I get, the angrier I get, So I

901
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 3: just want to have that as Okay.

902
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 2: Now, this takes place back when he owned the Miss

903
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,240
Speaker 2: USA and Miss Teen USA and Miss Universe pageants.

904
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 3: Like I own the Miss teen USA pageant. Just okay.

905
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 2: So at the time Miss teen USA was Tara Connor,

906
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 2: poor thing gal from Kentucky. She looked to lose her

907
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 2: crown because she was young, She's been out partying, she

908
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 2: got messy. Most notably she kissed a girl and the

909
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 2: paparazzi captured it. Two thousand and six. This is occurring.

910
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 2: So this is like pre gay marriage passing in this

911
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,720
Speaker 2: or this is like still like very much an issue,

912
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 2: like even Democrats weren't coming around for like, oh I'm

913
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 2: gonna back there totally the rights of people who yes, okay,

914
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 2: So we have like an outrage like, oh, she's kissing

915
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:02,720
Speaker 2: the girl, she's Miss teen Usa.

916
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 5: Right.

917
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 2: Also she's drinking in bars in New York. She's he's

918
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 2: clearly she's you know, seemingly high drunk, what have you.

919
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 2: So people are getting upset, they start canceling public appearances

920
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 2: or canceling photo ops. She's got to avoid the press.

921
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 2: Talk was she's gonna be fired as Miss teen USA

922
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 2: because who's her boss, the celebrity apprentice guy and at

923
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 2: the time is his big You're fired right? Or what

924
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 2: was like, oh, he's gonna say it. When's he gonna

925
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 2: tell her you're fired?

926
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 5: Right?

927
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 2: She sounds like a whole thing anyway, Donald Trump. He

928
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 2: steps forward and defends her true advocate that he is Elizabeth.

929
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 2: Because if ever there were a man to step forward

930
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 2: to defend a blonde woman from a rather meaningless crisis,

931
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,720
Speaker 2: only to make it then all about him, it's gonna

932
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 2: be the former president. But you know that, Elizabeth, so right.

933
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: I didn't make lazy jokes about it. I'd rather close

934
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 2: stop stopping.

935
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 3: Oh my eyes are closed, Elizabeth.

936
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 2: You were standing outside a large, dark glass and steel

937
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,720
Speaker 2: building in Manhattan. You were there to cover press conference.

938
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,760
Speaker 2: You're working as a camera woman for the local TV

939
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 2: news WNJZ. Normally you're part of their Channel two Action

940
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 2: News team investigation team, but today they've sent you over

941
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 2: close to Central Park to Trump Towers, headquarters of the

942
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 2: Miss Universe, Miss USA, and Miss Teen USA pageants. The

943
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 2: weather's a little brisk this Tuesday. A breeze moves through

944
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 2: the color and the leaves and the trees. You sip

945
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 2: on your latte while you still have time. Your job

946
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 2: today is to point your camera at the two folks

947
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 2: who called the press conference. Miss teen USA, who the

948
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 2: former Miss Kentucky and her boss and benefactor, Donald Trump,

949
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 2: the billionaire has called the presser to calm the rough

950
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 2: seas of negative publicity about Miss teen USA and her

951
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 2: quasi lesbian kiss. You zoom in your camera and set

952
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 2: the focus on her. You pull back out to a

953
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 2: standard shop for the TV news. But then she doesn't

954
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 2: speak instead, of course it's Trump. You have to re

955
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 2: aim your camera at him. He starts to speak while

956
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 2: you and the gathered press listen to Donald Trump. She

957
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,959
Speaker 2: left a small town in Kentucky, and she was telling

958
00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 2: me that she got caught up in the whirlwind of

959
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 2: New York. Now you know what he means. All the

960
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 2: recent tabloid shots of her out partying, drunk, possibly high,

961
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 2: and there's the one shot where she's very clearly kissing

962
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 2: a woman outside a bar. But Miss teen USA just

963
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 2: turned twenty one yesterday, literally Monday. Wait, so she's not

964
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 2: even a teen the day before the press conference.

965
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 3: So she's still missed. So she was twenty when she

966
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 3: won Miss teen that's a bigger scan.

967
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,720
Speaker 2: What kind of role model is she for the American

968
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 2: Beauty pageant? Stands Elizabeth no Idea Now in response. You

969
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 2: have to watch Trump explain why he's decided not to

970
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 2: fire Miss teen USA after a bit of preening and posing.

971
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 2: After he delivers a good line that the press laughs at,

972
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 2: Trump says, I've always been a believer in second chances.

973
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 2: He's like the anti Fitzgerald. Now. Trump then outlines how

974
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 2: Miss teen USA will be going to rehabs. As a result,

975
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 2: her duties will be limited as she receives the help

976
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 2: she needs during this personal time. You think to yourself, hmm,

977
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 2: miss teen USA is going to rehab. It sounds like

978
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 2: Alana del Ray lyric. But she you know, she's already

979
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 2: one Miss America, so whatever. Meanwhile, the press conference grows

980
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,439
Speaker 2: tiresome as Miss teen Usa aka Miss Kentucky says, You'll

981
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,760
Speaker 2: never know how much I appreciate mister Trump for saved

982
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 2: me on this one. It truly takes someone with a

983
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 2: wonderful heart, a heart of gold, and a blessed soul.

984
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 2: He's a very, very compassionate person, and obviously I learned

985
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 2: that today. I'm so happy I'll be giving this opportunity

986
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 2: because I know that when I do my job, I'm

987
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 2: very passionate about it. You listen to a Cabby hank

988
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 2: At a pedestrian, thank the driver for the noise that

989
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 2: drowns out the press conference. You no longer have to

990
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 2: hear Miss ten USA say how passionate she is about

991
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 2: her job, being a spokesmodel, for having fun hair or whatever. Elizabeth,

992
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 2: I'm so surprised to you. Why would you be so

993
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 2: critical of Trump and Miss teen USA? No, you'd forget

994
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 2: how beauty pageants are a feminist exercise so quickly forgot

995
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 2: or whatever the claim is it way, Look, I'm not

996
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 2: saying they are or they aren't. I'm just raising the question.

997
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 2: What if Custer escaped from the Battle of Little Bighorn

998
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 2: and he became a famous beauty pageant contestant?

999
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 3: Okat? Okay's the thing that just one little quick pump. Okay.

1000
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 3: So she's Miss teen USA. She's twenty years old, so whatever,

1001
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 3: we're going to overlook that thing. And she's out just

1002
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,240
Speaker 3: having a night of carousing.

1003
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 2: Doing her thing. Yeah, being twenty that's what twenty year olds. Yeah,

1004
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 2: but it's two thousand and six.

1005
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 3: They weren't ready, they've been doing it.

1006
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, no, we all agree, And that's how

1007
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 2: Trump liked it. He normally paid extra for this cat. Sorry,

1008
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 2: I don't know, go to the island. That's what you

1009
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 2: expect exactly. So anyway, he was stoked at her address.

1010
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 2: You knew right where she could find her and her friends. Yeah,

1011
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 2: hold up in my apartment.

1012
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're like blink three times.

1013
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 2: Seriously before you become a Fox News No, I remember

1014
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 2: I told you about the Miss USA pageant that was

1015
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 2: alleged to be rigged. Well turns out that was not

1016
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 2: the first time. Okay, keeping it trump for a moment.

1017
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 2: He was involved in that story of the rigged Missus

1018
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 2: USA contest. And again his involvement may surprise you.

1019
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 3: Wait, Missus USA or miss Missus.

1020
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 2: I keep saying, miss I keep running complicated?

1021
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 3: Did they get married?

1022
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 2: Yeah? Sorry, I'm terrible Miss Usa. The year was twenty twelve,

1023
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 2: because I know you always like to know where am I? Anyway,

1024
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 2: So Miss Pennsylvania was a woman named Sheena Monan okay

1025
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 2: monin m O n n I n okay anyway, So

1026
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 2: she entered the Miss USA contest. She gets bounced out

1027
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 2: in the early rounds. Oops. Anyway, I guess she wasn't

1028
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 2: going down with a fight because she gets on the

1029
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 2: horn and she alleges that the beauty pageants rigged?

1030
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 3: Oh is that where he gets all those ideas?

1031
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 2: So what was her claim? Well, Monan said that she

1032
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 2: was backstage with Miss Florida, though, who told her that

1033
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 2: she'd seen a list of the finalists before the show,

1034
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 2: and then when the finalists were announced live, it was

1035
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 2: the exact same list she'd heard. Boom rigged. Elizabeth totally

1036
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 2: fixes in. Convinced of the truth of the rigged pageant,

1037
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 2: Miss Pennsylvania takes to Facebook and in a series of

1038
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 2: scathing posts, she resigned her crown in my.

1039
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 3: Heart, crown if Pennsylvania.

1040
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:02,280
Speaker 2: Pennsylvania in my heart. I believe in honesty, fair play,

1041
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 2: a fair opportunity, and high moral integrity, none of which,

1042
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 2: in my opinion, are part of this paget system any longer.

1043
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 2: Now seeing a story perfect for them, the morning shows

1044
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 2: came a call, right, so Miss Pennsylvania. She makes the

1045
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 2: round of appearances on programs like Today's show, Good Morning America.

1046
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 2: What have you? Yeah, she told the host, Well Anne

1047
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 2: Curry in particular, I know what I heard. There's no

1048
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 2: doubt in my mind that the contestant was serious when

1049
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 2: she laid out what she said she saw, and I

1050
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 2: believe her to be true. Yeah. She also added to

1051
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 2: Anne Curry, there are many reasons that a list can

1052
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 2: be laying around with the top five names, But when

1053
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 2: the names were called out in the order that she

1054
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 2: said she saw them on the list, that's just too

1055
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 2: coincidental to not be true. Now, to really make her

1056
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 2: case the beauty contestant, she cited her ability to analyze

1057
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 2: and interpret hidden psychology. Oh, I have many years of

1058
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 2: psychological training. I know when someone's telling a joke. I

1059
00:49:55,760 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 2: know when someone's scared and when someone's serious. And in

1060
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 2: my opinion, her body language was very serious. She looked

1061
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 2: a little bit scared because she had just seen something

1062
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 2: that could potentially drastically change the reputation of the Miss

1063
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 2: Universe organization. This is a big deal. Oh my god,

1064
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 2: she knows someone tells a joke versus when someone's serious.

1065
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 2: That was a joke. The tone after she did the

1066
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 2: rounds of the morning news shows and alledge that the

1067
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 2: Miss USA was rigged. The now former Miss Pennsylvania had

1068
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 2: made a real petty enemy Donald Trump, so he immediately

1069
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 2: goes on the attack. Right twenty twelve, Trump starts with

1070
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 2: the alleged eyewitness Miss Florida Trump.

1071
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 3: This is when he's gearing up with like all his want.

1072
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 2: First time, Yeah, the first time he's thinking about right.

1073
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:45,479
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1074
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 2: So Trump said, the person that supposedly saw the list

1075
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 2: totally denies that it took place, and Trump added that

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Speaker 2: she let him know that it was a throwaway comment

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Speaker 2: and that she had never meant it as fact. So

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Speaker 2: then she went on all the TV shows that Florida

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Speaker 2: like this. Florida personally told him Miss she never meant

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Speaker 2: it this fact, Elizabeth. So he went and did his

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Speaker 2: usual personal tax. He reasoned that it was just the

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00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 2: grousing of a bitter loser. Trump said, I never felt

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Speaker 2: that she had a chance. All this is buyer's remorse.

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Speaker 3: Eight grousings of a bitter loser.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So he told the morning shows that he'd given

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Speaker 2: the new now former Miss Pennsylvania twenty four hours to

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Speaker 2: respond and issue a public apology or he'd take her

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Speaker 2: to court. Right. So then old girl Miss Pa, she

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00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 2: did not back down. Now we got like a tri

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Speaker 2: state area beach. So she's like, what twenty four hours,

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Speaker 2: they come, they passed, Trump talks. He goes right back

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Speaker 2: to the talking heads on Good Morning America. I think

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Speaker 2: that frankly, she should apologize. We will be bringing a

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Speaker 2: lawsuit against her. She lost, and if you look at

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Speaker 2: her compared to the people who were in the top fifteen,

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Speaker 2: you would understand why she's not in the top fifteen.

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00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 2: It's a very, very sad situation. So this is where

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00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 2: Trump is at his best as an insult comic, Like

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Speaker 2: I don't want to talk about like politics, but the

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Speaker 2: man kills as an insult comic. He's like if Don

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Speaker 2: Rickles had a rich daddy, you know, like Trump later said,

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Speaker 2: we're going to be suing her now she had made

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00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 2: a very false charge and she knows it's a false charge. Now,

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Speaker 2: still their public squabbling's not done. The former Miss Pa

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Speaker 2: she's like tri state throwdown, Let's do this right. So

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Speaker 2: she's coming. She reappears on the Today Show and she says,

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Speaker 2: I feel disappointed that Trump has made some of the

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Speaker 2: statements that he said about me, and I feel prepared

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Speaker 2: to continue to pursue the truth. I know what I heard,

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Speaker 2: and I know what I in turn witnessed come true

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Speaker 2: based on what I heard the contestants said, she saw

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Speaker 2: the list, So I'm prepared to continue to march forward,

1113
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 2: like across the Edmund Pettis Bridge Elizabeth, this civil rights

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Speaker 2: worker for her own justice. And this was a mistake

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Speaker 2: on her part because in the meantime, the pageant organizers

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Speaker 2: they focused on why Miss Pia really quit the game.

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00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,399
Speaker 2: The Miss Universe folks later came forward with a full

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Speaker 2: accounting of their own, and they pushed out Olivia Culpo.

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Speaker 2: She was Miss Rhode Island. Shout out to producer Dave,

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Speaker 2: and she was named the winner of the Miss USA. Now,

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Speaker 2: as Colpo said, Miss Pia's original story sounded a little

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00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 2: iffy to me. She came forward because after all this hullabaloo,

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Speaker 2: and she said she knew Miss Pa pretty well because

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00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 2: they were typically lined up real close to each other

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Speaker 2: because the states go alphabetically, right, So she said that

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Speaker 2: Miss they kind of got to know each other. So

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00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,280
Speaker 2: she talked to her. She's like, yeah, Miss Pennsylvania resigned

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Speaker 2: not due to it being rigged, but because Trump had

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Speaker 2: allowed a transgender competitor into the Miss USA pageant.

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Speaker 3: Huh.

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00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 2: So after a transgender woman had wanted to compete in

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Speaker 2: the Miss Universe pageant representing Canada, she was first barred

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Speaker 2: from competition. Yeah, Trump then goes and changes the rules

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Speaker 2: for the Miss Universe Universe. When this was brought up

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Speaker 2: as her reasoning Trump changing the rules to allow a

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Speaker 2: transgender woman or transgender women rather to compete in the

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Speaker 2: Miss Universe contest Miss ten USA, Miss USA, he tried

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Speaker 2: to downplay it, and he said he doubted that that's

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00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 2: why Miss Pa stepped down. He preferred the narrative that

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Speaker 2: she was a jealous loser or whatever. Right, so as

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00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 2: he put it, and I quote, I think her primary

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00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 2: issue was that she low and she's angry about losing. Frankly,

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Speaker 2: in my opinion, I saw her for barely a second.

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Speaker 2: She didn't deserve to be in the top fifteen. He

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00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 2: goes right back to tech. She's she's an uggle woman.

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00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 2: I don't know what to tell you. So there he

1147
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 2: is our insult comic king, and he really should have

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00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 2: stuck to a comedy and posting like I think he

1149
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 2: would have been way happier as a person, right just

1150
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 2: I know you would be. I know a lot of

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00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,280
Speaker 2: other people would be. But there's a lesson there about ego,

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00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 2: about not letting like a cool black man knock you

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00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 2: off your game because he made people laugh at you.

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00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 2: That's what I do every week here. Look that's gonna happen.

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00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 2: And also it's like like teenagers, they're gonna make fun

1156
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Speaker 2: of what you wear, which happens when I leave the house. Right,

1157
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 2: this is just the death and taxes of life. But anyway,

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00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 2: the wildest part of all this talk of Miss teen

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00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 2: Usa being rigged is that Trump eventually wins in court.

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Speaker 2: And you don't hear that much anymore. No, she lost

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00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 2: on charges of defamation. The ruling wasn't Miss Pennsylvania. She

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00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 2: and Monan had to pay Trump and his beauty pageant

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00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 2: organization five million dollars for reputational damage because they lost,

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00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 2: like some contract with the person. Anyway, arbitrator uphold the ruling,

1165
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 2: then a federal judge upholds the arbitrator's decision. Ultimately, Trump

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00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:10,280
Speaker 2: wins in court when he supported a transgender woman against

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Speaker 2: a beauty queen. Who would have.

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Speaker 3: Thought, I've just I'm blown away by the Wow.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth, what's your favorite.

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Speaker 3: Ridiculous take away how things change?

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Speaker 7: Uh?

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Speaker 3: My ridiculous takeaway? I just want people to feel happy

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00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 3: with what they do, enjoy themselves. Yes always, you know,

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00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 3: and so I you know. I don't like when agendas

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Speaker 3: are pushed, even though I push it a lot of agendas.

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Speaker 3: But you know, if people like the pageants, is what

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to say, then like, go on, I don't

1178
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 3: think it's good to put kids in them because they

1179
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 3: don't have the agency really to decide. Yeah, totally, And

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Speaker 3: it's a lot of like.

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00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 2: And it defines their world before they yeah.

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00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I you know, and I just wish that

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00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 3: we as a culture had better ways of measuring all people.

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Speaker 3: But you know, yes, I'm a dreamers erin you are.

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00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 2: I like that about you. I've always liked that about you. No,

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00:55:58,400 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 2: you're not there. You've got a whole group with you,

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00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 2: and they're mostly dogs. But I like that about you and.

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00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,399
Speaker 3: You and we all when we're dreaming bark in our.

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Speaker 2: Sleep, Elizabeth, Oh my goodness, did you just I did?

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Speaker 2: Were you copying it?

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00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:12,760
Speaker 3: It's part of the sisterhood anyway.

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Speaker 2: Mine is I want there to be more competitions, not

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00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,240
Speaker 2: about like I think that the word beauty throws people

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00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 2: off where I think really what they mean is like

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00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 2: a pageant of what we all agree according to these ideals,

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00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 2: because like there's like, uh, you know, art contests that's

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00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 2: essentially a beauty contest, like the oscar Wards is essentially

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00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 2: a beauty contest, just so that the aesthetics right. So

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Speaker 2: I want once for like lumberjacks and like house painters.

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00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 2: I want house painter pageants like that. Dude, Look at

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00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 2: his colors. He works so hard. Did you see all

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00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 2: these colors on his out?

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00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 3: You want that when you painted houses?

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00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 2: Kidding? If we could have a pageant, I would be like, Yo,

1205
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 2: tell my boy Chris taking you down this year, son,

1206
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 2: bring your best white the overalls. I don't even care anyway,

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00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 2: that's mine.

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Speaker 3: So ridiculous. You don't, don't email or mess just with

1209
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 3: complaints about me. I feel like I'm setting myself up

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Speaker 3: for him today.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, send them all to me like, yeah, give

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Speaker 2: me the yes please I said it? Or just keep

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Speaker 2: it to yourself or yeah, I just act like you know,

1214
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 2: an adult and be like you know what. They may

1215
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Speaker 2: have said that and that's their opinion.

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Speaker 3: Yes, there it is.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, it's not the truth. It's just an opinion for

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Speaker 2: a talkback? What's for goodness?

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Speaker 3: Am I all right?

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Speaker 2: Producer? Dave hit it, Oh my god.

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Speaker 5: I love Jeet, Hey, y'all, Michelle and Phoenix.

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Speaker 7: I just paused the old man in the gun episode

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Speaker 7: when you guys were talking about the guards having their

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Speaker 7: families on Alcatraz.

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Speaker 5: True facts. There's this movie called Murder in the First

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Speaker 5: with Kevin.

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Speaker 7: Bacon from the nineties and they show that as an

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Speaker 7: aspect of the movie.

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Speaker 5: So check the movie out. Love the show. Former Bay

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Speaker 5: Area kid here, so keep it up, have a great day.

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Speaker 2: Yes it's former baby.

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Speaker 3: Watch that movie.

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Speaker 2: Man, dude. Respect to y'all right out the box just

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Speaker 2: for being a former Bay Area kid.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Now, thanks for also for the hookup on the information

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Speaker 2: on the prison. Oh yeah, but I still would be

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Speaker 2: so judgmental to my parents if they had me being

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Speaker 2: raised on Yeah, on alculatize You're like, I'm sorry, I'm

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Speaker 2: glad you have a job.

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Speaker 2: I understand it could be tough, but couldn't you sell shoes?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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