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Speaker 2: We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 3: What do we have, Crystal.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, we do a lot to get into this morning.

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Speaker 1: So first of all, the hunger war is becoming absolutely

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Speaker 1: unbearable in Gaza, and this comes as Lloyd Austin was

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Speaker 1: in Israel. Actually a whole parade of US officials are

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Speaker 4: So we'll get into all of that.

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Speaker 1: Also, this is a huge deal, not getting a lot

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Speaker 1: of attention yet, but I think that it will US

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Speaker 1: deal has sold to a Japanese company. Some politicians are

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Speaker 1: already speaking out against this, as well as the labor

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Speaker 1: union that represents those workers. So we will break all

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Speaker 1: of that down for you. We also have a new

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Speaker 1: bombshell report from pro Publica about once again Clarence Thomas,

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Speaker 1: all the money that he's taken and some of the

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Speaker 1: So very interesting report there that we should dig into.

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Speaker 1: There's also a new deep dive into the perplexing calm

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Speaker 4: They claim they're not worried.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how they could be not worried given

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Speaker 1: the polling that we have seen, So we'll get into that.

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Speaker 1: And also, most importantly, Sogren are going to tackle that

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Speaker 4: So lots to talk about today.

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Speaker 2: I've been doing a lot of war games in my head,

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Speaker 2: and you guys should get ready for some risk level analysis.

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Speaker 4: Yea, yes, then you've picked aside already.

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Speaker 1: All right, So let's go ahead and get to the

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Speaker 1: news out of Israel, starting with as I mentioned, Secretary

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Speaker 1: of Defense Lloyd Austin was there yesterday and among other comments,

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Speaker 5: Democracies are stronger and more secure when we uphold the

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Speaker 5: law of war. And as I've said, acting Palestinian civilians

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Speaker 5: in Gaza is both a moral duty and a strategic imperative.

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Speaker 5: So we will continue to stand up for Israel's bedrock

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Speaker 5: urge the protection of civilians during conflict and to increase

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Speaker 1: This, of course, very similar to what any number parade

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Speaker 3: So how these people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's absolutely right and sort of exposes the lie

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not whatsoever. There's another incident that has really shocked

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Speaker 4: Let us pray to the Lord for peace.

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Speaker 6: So I would reject the categorization of the words he

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Speaker 7: That's something we don't do. We don't shoot people who

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Speaker 7: To say that Israel is deliberately targeting Christian worship is

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Speaker 7: I did not know that to be true. Obviously, we're

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Speaker 1: Is corrected as a terrible accusation, and if he cares

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Speaker 2: Well, actually, what's come out since then is that quote.

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Speaker 2: They were shot in cold blood, as you said, inside

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Speaker 3: But Gaza is not a monolith, you know, we.

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Speaker 3: Because it's clear if once you've lost, when you lost

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Speaker 2: Know, in a war against Islamic jihad, I don't know

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well you're right to lay out you know, why

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Speaker 1: raid on this hospital the fact that they had been

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Speaker 1: completely cut off from any supplies. A nurse who asked

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Speaker 1: that her name not be used, didn't provide a specific number,

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Speaker 1: but said that a number who had non fatal injuries

442
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Speaker 1: died of dehydration. There were also a number of infants

443
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Speaker 1: who died when their incubators were shut off from a

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Speaker 1: lack of fuel.

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Speaker 4: What really extra.

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Speaker 1: Horrified people, I suppose, is some of the images that

447
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Speaker 1: came out afterwards. Let's go and put this up on

448
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Speaker 1: the screen of bulldozers from the IDF coming through and

449
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Speaker 1: plowing through the courtyard and buried under this rubble are

450
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Speaker 1: dead bodies.

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Speaker 4: Some reports I.

452
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Speaker 1: Had seen indicated that these bulldozers had actually mowed down

453
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Speaker 1: people who were alive. What the nurses and doctors on

454
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Speaker 1: the scene are saying is that they had been forced

455
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Speaker 1: to bury patients who had died in this courtyard, and

456
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Speaker 1: that the bulldozers plowed over these already dead bodies. Of course,

457
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Speaker 1: you know, one of the nurses there said they shoved

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Speaker 1: them over without any respect of human dignity, into what

459
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Speaker 1: looks like a pile of rubble. You can only imagine

460
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Speaker 1: if it was your loved one who was there receiving

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Speaker 1: this treatment after they had died. And just as a reminder,

462
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Speaker 1: you know the number of hospitals that have been targeted here.

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Speaker 1: According to euromen Monitor, twenty three different hospitals around the

464
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Speaker 1: Gaza Strip have been targeted and overall including those hospitals.

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Speaker 1: One hundred and twenty six health facilities that includes ambulances, clinics,

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Speaker 1: and hospitals have been targeted.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it's a tragic situation, obviously, And it's

468
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Speaker 2: so the more that these spread, this is connects back

469
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Speaker 2: to and why, you know, why are we structuring the

470
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Speaker 2: show this way is I think all of it traces

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Speaker 2: back to the level of animus against us. And this

472
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Speaker 2: is the difficulty and kind of like how I like

473
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Speaker 2: to look at things too. There's the Israel situation in

474
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Speaker 2: which we're trying to keep abreast of. There's a bit

475
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Speaker 2: broader geopolitical situation though, of which the powder keg. And

476
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Speaker 2: this is where I'm a little bit conflicted. On the

477
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Speaker 2: one hand, I'm deeply annoyed that the entire sphere around

478
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Speaker 2: it's like Israel right now is the sun and all

479
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Speaker 2: of us are just orbiting around it. All of American politics.

480
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Speaker 2: Our Defense secretary and National Security advisor are spending more

481
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Speaker 2: time in Tel Aviv than they are here in Washington.

482
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Speaker 2: So personally, I find that incredibly irksome because I'm like, hey,

483
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Speaker 2: you know, we actually have problems here. Have got a

484
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Speaker 2: whole thing, We got to talk about with US deal

485
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Speaker 2: At the same time, why do we and all these

486
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Speaker 2: policymakers have to dedicate so much time to it, because

487
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Speaker 2: a single instance can set the entire world on fire,

488
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Speaker 2: and we have to find a way here. I think

489
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Speaker 2: of trying at best to bring things to a way

490
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Speaker 2: where we don't ignite Middle East region against us and

491
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Speaker 2: just think about this purely in terms of interest. I

492
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Speaker 2: tried to make people think about this too, in terms

493
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Speaker 2: of Ukraine and now here. The amount of blood, capital,

494
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Speaker 2: treasure that we've already spent in this region and now

495
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Speaker 2: continue to dedicate this region, not to mention, polarizing all

496
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Speaker 2: of American politics on a third world ethnic conflict is insane.

497
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Speaker 2: And yet the consequence is just simply because of the

498
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Speaker 2: investment of so many of these global populations, means that

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Speaker 2: it also is one which could decide the fate of

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Speaker 2: our nation and Joe Biden's future too whenever it comes

501
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Speaker 2: to the twenty twenty four election.

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Speaker 1: And for me, it's not only that, but it's the

503
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Speaker 1: fact that you know, there are lots of horrors unfolding

504
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Speaker 1: around the world at any given point in time, so

505
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Speaker 1: people say, oh, why focus so much on this one like,

506
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Speaker 1: why do you care so much about this one? It

507
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Speaker 1: is unparalleled what Israel is doing right now in Gaza

508
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Speaker 1: in terms of the level of civilian death and in

509
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Speaker 1: terms of our direct complicity.

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Speaker 4: And you can just look.

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Speaker 1: At the comparisons to previous mass bombing campaigns. You can

512
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Speaker 1: look at the comparisons to civilian death ratios in this

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Speaker 1: war on Gaza versus previous conflicts. I mean, you made

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Speaker 1: this point earlier, and you've made it for a long time,

515
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Speaker 1: which is completely accurate.

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Speaker 4: They're making what we.

517
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Speaker 1: Did in Iraq and Afghanistan look like we were angels,

518
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Speaker 1: and there was plenty to criticize there as well, which

519
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Speaker 1: we did. This is on a whole other scale and level.

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Speaker 1: And so to watch all of this unfolding and the

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Speaker 1: number almost you know, very little dissent in Washington, even

522
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Speaker 1: though the public is crying out for a cease fire

523
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Speaker 1: and demanding an end to the hostilities and wanting to

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Speaker 1: see humanitarian relief, come in to watch the number of

525
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Speaker 1: people who can just justify things that I could never

526
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Speaker 1: imagine people being able to justify. That's the other reason

527
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Speaker 1: to care about what is happening here. So let's go

528
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Speaker 1: ahead and turn to you know what may happen next.

529
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Speaker 1: Israel has been very cagey about even whether they even

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Speaker 1: have a day after plan, insisting they're just focused on

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Speaker 1: the current mission of quote unquote targeting or hunting humas,

532
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Speaker 1: which they seem to have had relatively little success in

533
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Speaker 1: much more success plowing down civilians and bulldozing hospital courtyards.

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Speaker 1: Let's put this up on the screen. This was a

535
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Speaker 1: five step plan floated by this guy, Danny Dane, and

536
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Speaker 1: he's a senior Lakud Kanesset member. He's also the former

537
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Speaker 1: UN rep from Israel. And here's his Gaza the day

538
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Speaker 1: after plan for what it's worth, which I think is.

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Speaker 4: Worth digging into.

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Speaker 1: Number One, demilitarized Gaza ensure the removal of all terror elements,

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Speaker 1: including weapons, ammunition and rockets, and any other infrastructure connected

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Speaker 1: to terror during and after the demilitarization period. The IDF

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Speaker 1: will be granted full freedom of action, enabling Israel to

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Speaker 1: respond to all security threats. He says the sole weaponry

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Speaker 1: allowed into Gaz will be handguns for policing activities. So

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Speaker 1: I suppose Israel has the right to defend themselves, but

547
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Speaker 1: Palestinians not so much. Establishment of a security buffer zone.

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Speaker 1: This would be a three kilometer area. He says the

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Speaker 1: length of no less than three kilometers. Entry to the

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Speaker 1: buffer zone will be strictly prohibited to all parties. This

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Speaker 1: is something the US has been against, by the way,

552
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Speaker 1: because it constitutes a taking of additional Palestinian land, something

553
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Speaker 1: in the US at least claims to oppose. Number three

554
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Speaker 1: is really presence at the Rafa crossing. The crossing on

555
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Speaker 1: the Gazen side will be rebuilt with new technologies and capabilities,

556
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Speaker 1: and it will serve as a crossing between the Gaza

557
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Speaker 1: Strip and Egypt. It will be overseen by Israel and

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Speaker 1: international forces, so no longer will Egypt be solely responsible

559
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Speaker 1: for patrolling the Rafa Crossing. Israel will be involved as well.

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Speaker 1: This one really got a lot of people's attention. Quote

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Speaker 1: unquote voluntary immigration. Gazans who wish to immigrate voluntarily to

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Speaker 1: countries that are ready to receive them will be given

563
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Speaker 1: the opportunity to leave in an orderly manner to their

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Speaker 1: destiny nation countries of choice.

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Speaker 4: This very consistent with.

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Speaker 1: What Natna who has reportedly said, which is his desire

567
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Speaker 1: to quote unquote thin out the population of the Gaza

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Speaker 1: Strip So the basic idea here is, after we render

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Speaker 1: most of the Gaza strip completely unlivable, we will allow

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Speaker 1: you to leave your home, and you know whether or

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Speaker 1: not you return or not. We shall see number five

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Speaker 1: economic rehabilitation. This one, in some ways was the most

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Speaker 1: dystopian to me. An international framework will include countries in

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Speaker 1: the region to promote economic rehabilitation, management of all civilian aspects,

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Speaker 1: special emphasis on the creation of a new educational system.

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Speaker 1: So an international coalition to create a new re education

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Speaker 1: system in Gaza, each and every area of Gaza. They say,

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Speaker 1: the pace of investments we closely match the pace of

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Speaker 1: eradicating the culture of hate and incitement. So Saga, I

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Speaker 1: wonder what you make of this plan and how significant

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Speaker 1: it is.

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Speaker 2: Well, in terms of its significance, I think really what

583
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Speaker 2: it highlights is that the Israelis want the best of

584
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Speaker 2: both worlds. They want total freedom of maneuver and security

585
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Speaker 2: over Gaza, but then they don't want to govern Gaza

586
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Speaker 2: and they don't want to deal with the quote unquote

587
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Speaker 2: economic rehabilitation. This drives me insane because as you can see,

588
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Speaker 2: they're like the management of all civilian aspects, a new

589
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Speaker 2: educational system. It's like, Okay, you destroyed all of the infrastructure,

590
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Speaker 2: and then you basically want to kill the people that

591
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Speaker 2: you want and then leave and then just say hey,

592
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Speaker 2: you win, and everybody else you guys come in and

593
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Speaker 2: face it's like no, no, no, you're responsible for that,

594
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Speaker 2: and you're paying for this shit.

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Speaker 3: Nobody else is going to be paying for it.

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Speaker 2: Especially so if you have such objections to their educational curriculum,

597
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Speaker 2: go for it. You want to militarily occupy and compel

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Speaker 2: the population and to try and work against a thousand

599
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Speaker 2: years of hatred and all this other stuff. And if

600
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Speaker 2: you if you think you're so good as an imperial power,

601
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Speaker 2: be our guests.

602
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Speaker 3: There's no way they're going.

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Speaker 7: To do that.

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Speaker 2: They don't have the military capability, they don't have the

605
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Speaker 2: economic capability. That's one thing that we should we keep

606
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Speaker 2: highlighting here. But I don't think the audience may understand

607
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Speaker 2: the ration. This war costs one hundred to two hundred

608
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Speaker 2: million a day because of the reservists. The Israeli economy

609
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 2: is really suffering right now. Their prime age working population

610
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Speaker 2: is either in the IDF or in Gaza, and now

611
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Speaker 2: they've got to pay all these death and health benefits.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is this is serious business that you

613
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Speaker 2: can't really move away from. And the backbone of the

614
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Speaker 2: high tech economy and all that was built such that

615
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Speaker 2: the Palestinians could serve and the Arab population as kind

616
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Speaker 2: of the servant class would do, you know, a lot

617
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Speaker 2: of the more lowly work.

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Speaker 3: Now, what what are you gonna do?

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Speaker 2: You're gonna import, you know, a mass amount of population

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Speaker 2: at the same time you got these Palestinians here on

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Speaker 2: your border. I think this demonstrates and I think you know,

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Speaker 2: also in general, the misalignment of the israelis very rarely,

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Speaker 2: at least more recently, I have just been saying in

624
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Speaker 2: quiet part out loud, they're like, yeah, we'd prefer if

625
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Speaker 2: people just left the US, Egypt, the Jordan, Saudi Arabia,

626
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Speaker 2: UAE is Like, that's a non starter.

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Speaker 3: That's not going to happen.

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Speaker 2: Then the UN is obviously calling for a humanitarian thing,

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Speaker 2: and they're going to try and administer some of this

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Speaker 2: to the best of your ability. But look at Somalia,

631
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Speaker 2: look at and I could go on Kosovo, all these

632
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Speaker 2: other places that have been under semi UN administration has

633
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Speaker 2: failed miserably.

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Speaker 3: So this is the worst of all worlds. Yeah, and

635
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Speaker 3: we're going to end.

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Speaker 2: Up in that situation, some sort of gray zone, you know,

637
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Speaker 2: period where we'll see, you know, governance is up in

638
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Speaker 2: the air, and full blown collapse is probably the most

639
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Speaker 2: likely scenario for all of this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The thing that I see most consistently reiterated is framing

642
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Speaker 1: as humanitarian the desire to push Gozans out of the

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Speaker 1: Gaza strip. And you know, the US says they're opposed

644
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Speaker 1: to this. Egypt says they're opposed to this, they say

645
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Speaker 1: they're very opposed to this. Other countries and regions say

646
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Speaker 1: they're very opposed to this. But you know, they've already

647
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Speaker 1: rendered northern Gaza completely uninhabitable. They're working on doing the

648
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Speaker 1: same for much of southern Gaza. So then they say, oh, well,

649
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Speaker 1: you know, you can have a much better life after

650
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Speaker 1: we've completely destroyed your home and all the infrastructure and

651
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Speaker 1: all of the hospitals and all of the schools, et cetera,

652
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Speaker 1: if you just leave. And you know, there was this

653
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Speaker 1: bipartisan plan that we saw that's being floated here.

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Speaker 4: In Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: To use US AID dollars to compel various countries in

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Speaker 1: the region to take in Palestinian refugees. Joe Biden a

657
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Speaker 1: little noticed, asked for dollars for our country to resettle

658
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Speaker 1: both Ukrainian and Palestinian refugees here as well. So the

659
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Speaker 1: groundwork is being laid here both in terms of, you know,

660
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Speaker 1: money's being appropriated, but also in terms of the sort

661
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Speaker 1: of propaganda information war to try to get people to

662
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Speaker 1: see this as a humanitarian outcome. So the question remains, though,

663
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Speaker 1: of course, what it was rallies actually want, what are

664
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Speaker 1: their thoughts about the day after in Gaza? And you know,

665
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Speaker 1: we've talked to a number of people I've talked now to.

666
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Speaker 1: You know, we talked about poster. We I spoke with

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Speaker 1: another analyst who you know, had really analyzed sort of

668
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Speaker 1: Israeli public opinion. Both of them said, Israelis are mostly Jewish.

669
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Speaker 1: Israelis are mostly not thinking about the day after. They're

670
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Speaker 1: thinking about the here and now. They're thinking about what's

671
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Speaker 1: going on in Gaza right now today, the thing about

672
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Speaker 1: October seventh. But to the extent that people are thinking

673
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Speaker 1: about the day after, there's a new poll that just

674
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Speaker 1: came out. Put this up on the screen. It was

675
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Speaker 1: written out by the Times of Israel. So more than

676
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Speaker 1: half of Israelis actually oppose annexing the Gaza Strip and

677
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: re establishing settlements that there were used to be there,

678
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Speaker 1: which were uproaded during Israel's two thousand and five disengagement.

679
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: This is a poll from Hebrew University published on Sunday.

680
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: You can see here thirty three percent, so about a

681
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: third of the population supports annexing the Gaza Strip and

682
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: re establishing settlements, fifty six percent pose annexing Gaza, and

683
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: eleven percent are uncertain. I was also looking up, you know,

684
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Speaker 1: how do people feel about like a two state solution,

685
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Speaker 1: and the most recent poll finds majority opposition. Fifty two

686
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: percent of Jewish Israelis oppose a two state solution and

687
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: only thirty five percent support. So to me, Sager, it

688
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: seems like there's a lot of sense of what people

689
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: don't want, less of a consensus around what they do want.

690
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: And if you dig into these numbers further, they also

691
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: asked about, you know, some more specifics of what they

692
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,280
Speaker 1: would like to see in terms of governance of Gaza.

693
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: Twenty three percent, that's the largest number of Israeli support

694
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Speaker 1: a coalition of moderate Arab states overseeing affairs in Gaza.

695
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: Twenty two percent are in favor of Israeli military rules,

696
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Speaker 1: so those two solutions are basically tied. Eighteen percent would

697
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: like to see an international force and a further eighteen

698
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: percent lean toward that idea of Israel annexing Gaza outright.

699
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: The least popular option is the one that the US

700
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Speaker 1: has been pushing, which is the return of the Palestinian Authority.

701
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, and realistically, only two of these are going to happen.

702
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 2: You're either going to have the Israelis who are going

703
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,720
Speaker 2: to occupy it, or the Palestinian authority.

704
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 3: Most of them are very unrealistic. The Arab States will

705
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 3: never do this. A.

706
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Speaker 2: They don't have the military capability and they don't want

707
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Speaker 2: to deal with it.

708
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 3: Why would they. I wouldn't do it if I were them.

709
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 2: If I was the Jordanaian king and I watch how

710
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 2: my country basically became Palestine, No way I would deal

711
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 2: with that. Then you've got the eleven percent for return

712
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 2: of the PA, which shows you the least popular option

713
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 2: is the one that the general international consensus is around.

714
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 2: And as part of why I'm so pessimistic here about

715
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 2: the future, because you know, they even said, oh well,

716
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,879
Speaker 2: we're ready to turn over after twenty years of these

717
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: morbund PA forces. They're going to roll into Gaza and

718
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 2: administer good luck. Who's going to pay them, who's going

719
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 2: to give them weapons? Also, what authorities are they going

720
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 2: to have? What are their rules of engagement. It's more

721
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 2: likely they're going to turn into a full blown military

722
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 2: style dictatorship.

723
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Speaker 3: Which I don't know. I mean, is that necessarily beneficial

724
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 3: or not?

725
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 2: Will they even have the capability to oppress the population

726
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 2: if they want to, And then if the Israelis are

727
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 2: the ones who are paying them, then they're going to

728
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 2: be looked at as stooges by the population. Not a

729
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 2: single option or any of this looks good. But I

730
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 2: am at least heartened that they don't want to annex it.

731
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 2: And I think one of the reasons why is because

732
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 2: a lot of them lived through the you know, what

733
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 2: is it, the deoccupation or whatever of Gaza, and a

734
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 2: lot of them, you know, one of the things that's

735
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 2: highlighted is that inside Israel is a very small country.

736
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 2: And I just saw someone putting this out yesterday. Nearly

737
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 2: every day the obituaries of fallen soldiers are in the

738
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 2: newspapers and their photos are everywhere. This is going to

739
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 2: climb day after people know what this would it take

740
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 2: from annexation and military occupation. So I think that you know,

741
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 2: the reality of some of this is beginning to set in.

742
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 2: So they may be opposed to two state solution, but

743
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 2: the more that you move away and less support that

744
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 2: you have for full blown annexation, then it becomes pretty

745
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 2: obvious what the eventual next step is going to be.

746
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just so people are clear on what that

747
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: removal of Israeli forces from within Gaza men and this

748
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: is doctor Norman Finkelstein compares it to it's like taking

749
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: the prison wardens from out of the prison and placing

750
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: them outside of the prison. So there's a lot of

751
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: mythology around like, oh, we let them do whatever they want.

752
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: This is complete nonsense. There is a complete blockade. Israeli

753
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: Prime Minister has talked about quote unquote putting the Gaza

754
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: population on a diet. No control over their airspace, control

755
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: over the borders, no control even over the sea. There

756
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: are a lot of Gosms who made their living as fishermen.

757
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 4: That even was severely curtailed.

758
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Speaker 1: So that has been the reality now for more than

759
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Speaker 1: a decade in Gaza at this point, and even before

760
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: this war, that led to horrific conditions for the human

761
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: beings who lived there in terms of a lack of

762
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,280
Speaker 1: clean water, in terms of a lack of sufficient food,

763
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 1: massive unemployment, majority of the population unemployed. So even before

764
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: the destruction of the Gaza Strip, things were very difficult

765
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Speaker 1: for people there on the ground.

766
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, Okay, let's move on to US Steel.

767
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Speaker 3: This is a big in a major store.

768
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Speaker 2: US Steel, of course, probably one of the most important

769
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Speaker 2: companies in history of the United States, and I don't

770
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 2: really not exaggerating that has had.

771
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:52,280
Speaker 3: Its ups and downs.

772
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:53,959
Speaker 2: I think it's fair to say in this one hundred

773
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Speaker 2: and two year history, but one hundred and twenty twenty

774
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty two year history, but recently is

775
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 2: really in the center of what I think will become

776
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 2: a major political firestorm and highlights all of the perils

777
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 2: I think of the international financial system.

778
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 3: So first, let's start with the news. Let's put this

779
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,240
Speaker 3: up there on the screen.

780
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 2: A surprise announcement yesterday that Nipoon Steel, which is a

781
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 2: Japanese steel conglomerate, will acquire US Steel for fourteen to

782
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 2: one point fourteen point one billion dollars in cash. It's

783
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,959
Speaker 2: an all cash deal that is being floated here.

784
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 3: Now.

785
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 2: The reason why this is important, Crystal is a US

786
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 2: Steel has found itself in a couple of different problems

787
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 2: and over the last couple of years. Just recently, they

788
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 2: actually were offered a cash and a stock deal for

789
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 2: half of this amount of some seven billion. So why

790
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 2: does it make sense for this Japanese company to come

791
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 2: in and pay fourteen billion. There's a couple of really

792
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 2: interesting things about this number one Japanese Steel or Nipoon Steel.

793
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 2: I think Nipoon is the word for Japan in Japanese.

794
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 2: Nippon Steel is a Japanese government backed steel company. It's

795
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 2: basically a piece and a tool of Japanese industrial policy.

796
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 2: What they have looked at is that US steal is

797
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 2: set to benefit from Inflation Reduction Act infrastructure spending. So

798
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 2: what this Japanese company says is our steel production is

799
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 2: very low. We are competing against China, which is one

800
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 2: of the number one steel producers in the world. The

801
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,240
Speaker 2: US government is about to hand a bunch of money

802
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 2: to US steel, So what do we do?

803
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 3: We buy US steel at.

804
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 2: A premium, and we are going to reap all of

805
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 2: the benefits economic benefits to the Japanese shareholders and government

806
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 2: of US infrastructure spending. And at the same time, US steel,

807
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,959
Speaker 2: which is probably steel probably the single most critical national

808
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 2: security industry, will now be directly controlled by a foreign government. Now,

809
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 2: the the counter to what I'm saying is, what do

810
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 2: you care? Japan is one of our closest allies. I agree,

811
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 2: but just because you're a close ally doesn't mean that

812
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 2: you should be controlling the backbone of American steel industry

813
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 2: and of American industrial policy, on top of some of

814
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 2: the most important union jobs in the entire country. And

815
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 2: it's not just me who is saying this. Senator John Fetterman,

816
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 2: Senator Jdvance, and Senator Josh Holly have all now spoken

817
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 2: out against a deal. Fetterman in particular, actually put this

818
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 2: in very good terms. Here's what he had to say.

819
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 8: And I just have to say, it's absolutely outrageous that

820
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 8: they have sold themselves to a foreign nation and a company.

821
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 5: Can't do that.

822
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 8: Steel is always about security as well too, and I

823
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 8: am permitted to doing anything I can do from using

824
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 8: my platform or my position in order to block this,

825
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 8: and I'm going to fight for the steel workers and

826
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 8: their union way of life here as well too, and

827
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 8: we cannot ever allow them to be screwed over or

828
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:33,720
Speaker 8: left behind.

829
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 2: He is highlighting an important point which we'll get to,

830
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 2: is that the steel workers union was not consulted by

831
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 2: Nippon Steel Management before the sale. Senator Vance also put

832
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 2: out a statement, let's go and put this up on

833
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 2: the screen. He says, a critical piece of America's dead

834
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 2: defense industrial base was just opting off to foreigners for cash.

835
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 2: I warned of this outcome months ago, rest assured I

836
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 2: will interrogate the long term implications for the American people.

837
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 2: So this is going to go to President Biden and

838
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 2: to the Treasury Department for approval of this deal through

839
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 2: something of it's a review process where any company which

840
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 2: is critical to national security gets to either veto or

841
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 2: approve the sale to a foreign company. And last, but

842
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 2: not least, here just to highlight again the workers, let's

843
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 2: put this up there. The USW, the United steel Workers Union,

844
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 2: put out a statement slamming it. Say say we're disappointed

845
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,240
Speaker 2: in the deal is an understatement. It demonstrates the same greedy,

846
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 2: short sighted attitude that guided US deal for far too long.

847
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 2: We remain open throughout this process to working with US

848
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 2: Steal to keep this iconic American company domestically owned and operated,

849
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 2: and instead it chose to push aside the concerns of

850
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 2: its workforce and sell to a foreign owned company. Neither

851
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 2: US or Nippon reached out to our union regarding the deal,

852
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 2: which in itself is a violation of our partnership agreement

853
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 2: and requires US Steel to notify US of.

854
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 3: A change in control or business conditions.

855
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 2: And I think that highlights it really for me is

856
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 2: that they didn't consult the workers.

857
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,479
Speaker 3: Clearly, this is a major national secure threat.

858
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 2: And I have again nothing against Japan, but you need

859
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 2: to ask yourself why is the Japanese government willing to

860
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 2: pay double what a US company is for their own

861
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 2: national security implications? Because you know it's a small island

862
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 2: and they want as much control of supply as possible.

863
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 2: I don't blame them, I would do. I have to

864
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 2: do the same thing if I were them. But we

865
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 2: got to look out for our own interests. And I

866
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 2: hope that this becomes a major thing here in Washington

867
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 2: with these three senators who are speaking out. I would

868
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 2: expect people like Shared Brown and others, especially as union

869
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 2: workers themselves. I mean, this is what destroyed the union

870
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: wave of life is you know, Chinese, Mexican outsourcing and Japan.

871
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, turn the clock back to the

872
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 2: nineteen eighties. This was what they were doing.

873
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 3: Back then.

874
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 2: We had the infiltration of Toyota and all these other

875
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 2: companies that make great cars, but you know, nothing against

876
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 2: them on a production level. But just in terms of

877
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 2: US market share and US control, it's never been worse

878
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 2: than ever than right now.

879
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 1: It makes sense that Fetterman, who a few consult yesterday's

880
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: show you will see I have a lot of criticisms

881
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: of the days, but that he has a sort of

882
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: emotional connection to this company.

883
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 4: These workers, et cetera.

884
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: I used to live in the Greater Pittsburgh area and

885
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 1: the steel industry is huge, I mean in terms of

886
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: the sort of like cultural understanding of the place and

887
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: how people see themselves, US steal being the most iconic

888
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: of the American steel companies.

889
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 4: And now if this deal.

890
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: Goes through, which let's be clear, Biden should block this

891
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: deal one hundred percent.

892
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 4: He should block this deal.

893
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: In the fact that you have some bipartisan support for

894
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: blocking this deal, I would hope would encourage him to

895
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: move in this direction. The number one steel maker in

896
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: the world is China bao Wu Group. Number two is

897
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: Arsler Mattal which is Indian, and then number three would

898
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: be this Japanese steel company. So you know, it gets

899
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: to the core of some of the problems with just

900
00:44:55,640 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 1: the neoliberal view of shareholder value and and globalism over

901
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: and profits over literally anything else. That's the sort of

902
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: thinking that would lead you to say, yes, this is acceptable,

903
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: and it's fine for us to just you know, sell

904
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,760
Speaker 1: our defense industrial base off to the higher spider wherever

905
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: that comes from. I am hoping that there's been somewhat

906
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: of a shift within both of the parties where they

907
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: see the problems with that direction ultimately. But you know,

908
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: for me, it's also actually very personal because I did

909
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: used to live in this area, and you know, it

910
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: used to be Sagury you were talking about, like the

911
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: decline in the middle class and the end of the

912
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,720
Speaker 1: union way of life and all of those sorts of things.

913
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: It used to be in this town that I lived in,

914
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: there was a large steel mill. People could basically graduate

915
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: high school walk across the street, get a good job

916
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 1: at the steel mill. I mean, this is tough work.

917
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 1: Let's be clear, this was not like, you know, technic.

918
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 1: It's very difficult, it's dangerous, et cetera.

919
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 4: But you could afford a house, you could afford a vacation, you.

920
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: Could afford to support a family on one income. And

921
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: then you know, that basically went away, and that steel

922
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 1: mill is all but shuttered at this point. It also,

923
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 1: I believe was sold to a foreign buyer as well,

924
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: and that area of the country has been thoroughly decimated

925
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 1: by the outsourcing and destruction of those jobs. What also

926
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: makes this noteworthy at this point is that you've had

927
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: now two successive administrations trying to rebuild American steel. So

928
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: Trump imposed a twenty five percent tariff on most steel imports,

929
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: trying to you know, it's a bit of a protectionist

930
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: action to try to bolster American steel. Trump and Biden

931
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: later renegotiated many of those tariffs into quota arrangements, in

932
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: which foreign governments agreed to limit the amount of steel

933
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 1: they exported to the US. And as you pointed out, Sager,

934
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: the Infrastructure Law and the Inflation Reduction Act both were

935
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: meant to drive up steel demand and prices by limiting

936
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: competition from foreign markets. But they clearly did not do

937
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: enough to forestall this type of outcomefort from occurring.

938
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

939
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And look, I mean the main thing that we

940
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 2: need to prevent is that US steel doesn't go in

941
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 2: the way of Bethlehem Steel. I'm actually visited Bethlehem Steel.

942
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 2: My in laws are from the region. It's actually a

943
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 2: fascinating thing. I hope that everybody goes to get to

944
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 2: go and see the steel stacks. It was a huge

945
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 2: part of the US industrial base at that time, and

946
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 2: the story of it is really sad. I mean, this was,

947
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 2: you know, the ibeam that was very famous. I even

948
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 2: have a T shirt with the ibeam on it, and

949
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,879
Speaker 2: you know, it was critical for World War one, world

950
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 2: War two. It helped rebuild all of Europe. And then

951
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 2: what happens. We rebuild Europe and Japan so well that

952
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 2: by the nineteen seventies, US steel is actually too expensive.

953
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 2: Bethlehem Steel and US based product produce steel is too

954
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 2: expensive to the overall global market. And that's when the

955
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 2: era of neoliberalism and globalism comes in and we allow

956
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 2: Bethlehem Steel to basically go under and you guys want

957
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 2: to know when Bethlehem Steel is today, it's a freaking

958
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 2: casino and it's like a casino end and a wedding venue.

959
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 2: It's nice, by the way, it's actually really cool, especially

960
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 2: the party area and all that.

961
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 3: But they've got markets and there's no steel.

962
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 2: The steel production facility is a place to you go

963
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 2: and you take a photo of that's really sad that

964
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 2: we've basically turned it into a place of gambling and financialization. Yeah,

965
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 2: basically a museum as well as mac truck and some

966
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 2: of the other things in the area, as opposed to

967
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 2: a place would actually produce things. And the entire industry

968
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 2: of that region, the history of it was deeply linked

969
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 2: to production.

970
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 3: Production itself is so important.

971
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 2: And the original reason why Bethlehem Steel flourished in the

972
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 2: first place was because we had it here. We could

973
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 2: control it, we could use it whenever we got caught

974
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 2: flat footed and we had to rebuild for World War

975
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 2: two and we had to put all these tanks and

976
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: all of stuff.

977
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:32,240
Speaker 3: Where do you think it comes from?

978
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 2: We think too about the global supply chain, about what

979
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 2: are we been covering here? All of this craziness going

980
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 2: on in the Red Sea you and I were talking

981
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 2: privately yesterday about the Straits in Malacca, the Taiwan Strait.

982
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 2: I mean, the era of international conflict on the high

983
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 2: seas seems to be back, and the level of precarity

984
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 2: in it from conflict is something that people really don't appreciate.

985
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 2: Like if any one of those were to close or

986
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 2: to pop off, not only would global inflation spike. I

987
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 2: mean theoretically huge portions of the US economy would just

988
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 2: go under overnight. That's because of globalization that we've allowed

989
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 2: to occur. So whether the Japanese promised to keep the

990
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 2: jobs here or any of that, it's about control, and

991
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 2: it's about who actually is here in the US, and

992
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:20,240
Speaker 2: about critical decisions and relations with governments. And their government

993
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 2: wants to buy it for a reason. So we should

994
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 2: think about that, and we should say maybe we're the

995
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:25,919
Speaker 2: ones who should control it in the first place.

996
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's honestly about like the basics of statehood.

997
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 4: Yes, do you have control?

998
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 1: Do you have the capacity if you need to spin

999
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: up production? And you know, we've been thinking about statehood

1000
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 1: in the context of Palestinians, and it's made me think

1001
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: a lot about like what are the components of actually

1002
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: having a real legitimate state and you know, having control

1003
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: over your own defense industrial base seems like a pretty

1004
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: critical component of that, especially for a wealthy, advanced nation

1005
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: such of ours, and one that we've obviously lost sight

1006
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: of now for decades at this point. Yeah, Saga, I

1007
00:49:58,080 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: wonder if you have any insight into whether you think

1008
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: Biden will block this, because I actually think I actually

1009
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: think that there's a chance, just because you know, his

1010
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: own sort of personal self conception and the way that

1011
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: he has been framing his economic pitch, blocking it, to

1012
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: me would be consistent with some of the other elements

1013
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:17,240
Speaker 1: of Biden.

1014
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 2: I don't think he'll block it because it's an ally

1015
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,720
Speaker 2: and because in the so, it's not just about Biden.

1016
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 2: It's about Sciphius, which is the actual board inside of

1017
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 2: the Treasury Department. We'll review all of this. The framework

1018
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 2: that you and I are talking about does not exist.

1019
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 2: The only framework that they have is oh threat, okay,

1020
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 2: that will nix that, and that actually took a decade

1021
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 2: to get to the point where we would block anything

1022
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 2: that's coming in from China. If it was Saudi Arabia

1023
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 2: or any other country, we would probably block it. But

1024
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 2: Japan is just considered such a bedrock US ally, and

1025
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:49,959
Speaker 2: they're they're saying all the right things. They're like, don't worry,

1026
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 2: we'll keep the jobs here. Hey, we're doing this because

1027
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 2: you guys are spending money. It's all good. We'll work

1028
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 2: with this, you know, the union, et cetera. That within

1029
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 2: the like new neoliberal view where we acknowled is that

1030
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 2: China is like on the outs, but everything else is allowed.

1031
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 3: I don't see Jenny Yellen and others blocking this transaction.

1032
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: On the other hand, even just from naked like cynical

1033
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 1: political calculation. As I said, I mean, this is such

1034
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: an important part of the identity of western Pennsylvani is

1035
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: in and around the Pittsburgh area, which obviously critical swing state.

1036
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 1: That area is in particular critical for democratic performance.

1037
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 4: And you have, you know, the union that.

1038
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: Is adamantly opposed and speaking out as forcefully as they

1039
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: possibly can, a union which I'm not sure if the

1040
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: steel workers have backed Biden yet for his re election bid,

1041
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: but they were certainly behind him last time around, and

1042
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 1: he has close ties with union leaders there in other

1043
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: unions as well. So that's why I don't put it

1044
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: totally off the table that he could make the right

1045
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 1: decision here.

1046
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 3: It's possible, I would hope so.

1047
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 2: And look, the more that we see this type of action,

1048
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 2: we need, you know, bipartisan actual We need people like

1049
00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:00,720
Speaker 2: Shared Brown to come out. We need many others Casey

1050
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 2: and others like if that, if it becomes mobiles and

1051
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 2: a few people actually make this known that you care

1052
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,479
Speaker 2: about something like this, or you know somebody in the area,

1053
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 2: and the Union way of life, all these things depend

1054
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 2: on you not to mention, you know, the overall national security.

1055
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 3: And we could get it done.

1056
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 2: But I'm I am really not hopeful just because Capital

1057
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 2: wants this.

1058
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 3: If you're a US.

1059
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 2: Steel shareholder, this is the best thing that ever happened

1060
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 2: to You just got one hundred percent premium on your stock.

1061
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 2: And these people are about to make a lot of money.

1062
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 2: So if you think that they're going to allow seven

1063
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 2: billion in profits just to go idly buy because you know,

1064
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 2: some YouTubers and a couple of senators say something, they

1065
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 2: are going to fight, I think tooth and nail to

1066
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:36,439
Speaker 2: make sure this guys.

1067
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: Imagine if scrant and Joe is the one that allows

1068
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 1: the sale of US steel to a foreign country to

1069
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 1: go through all right, stranger.

1070
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 4: Things have happened.

1071
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about this new report from Pro

1072
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: Publica with regard to Justice Clarence Thomas. Let's put this

1073
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: up on the screen. Pro Publica has of course been

1074
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: doing a deep dive into the many luxury vacations that

1075
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: he has taken that have been footed by various wealthy

1076
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 1: individuals Harlan Crowe, in particular, the funding of his mother's house,

1077
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: the payment of private school tuition, the offering of a

1078
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: generous loan which he maybe never had to repay for

1079
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 1: this luxury RV etc. Well, now we are getting some

1080
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 1: insight into when all of these perks and all of

1081
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: this cash began to flow. They say, here a delicate matter.

1082
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: Put the tearshee back up the screen. A delicate matter.

1083
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: Clarence Thomas's private complaints about money sparked fears that he

1084
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: would resign. What they track here is a conversation that

1085
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: he had in the early two thousands in which he

1086
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 1: expressed concern to a Republican lawmaker that he didn't make

1087
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: enough money and then he might have to resign from

1088
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: the court so that he could go and earn sufficient cash.

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Speaker 1: Le me read to you this first quote that we pulled.

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Speaker 1: Put it up on the screen. After almost a decade

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Speaker 1: on the court, Thomas had grown frustrated with his financial situation.

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Speaker 1: According to friends, he'd recently started raising his young grandnephew,

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Speaker 1: and Thomas's wife was soliciting advice on how to handle

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Speaker 1: the new expenses. The month before, the justice had borrowed

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Speaker 1: two hundred and sixty seven thousand dollars from a friend

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Speaker 1: to buy a high end RV. That is a fancy RV.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, like we said, we don't know

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Speaker 1: if he ever actually paid back that money. Let's put

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Speaker 1: the next piece up on the screen. Thomas brought up

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Speaker 1: the prospect of justices resigning to Stearns, the Republican lawmaker. Worried,

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Speaker 1: Sterns wrote a letter to Thomas after the flight where

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Speaker 1: they were together, promising to look into a bill to

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Speaker 1: raise the salaries of members of the Supreme Court. Put

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Speaker 1: the next piece up. Congress never lifted the ban on

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Speaker 1: speaking fees or gave the justices a major race, but

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Speaker 1: in the years that followed, as republic As reported, Thomas

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00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: accepted a stream of gifts from friends and acquaintances that

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00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: appears to be unparalleled in the modern history of the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court. Some defrayed living expenses large and small, private

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00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 1: school tuition, vehicle batteries, tires. Other gifts from a co

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Speaker 1: of ultra rich men supplemented his lifestyle, such as free

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00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: international vacations on the private jet and super yacht of

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Speaker 1: Dallas real estate billionaire Harlan Crow. Just to give people

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Speaker 1: a sense of, you know, how tough were things for

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Speaker 1: Clarence Thomas and the other Supreme Court justices, which, in fairness,

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00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 1: many of the other Supreme Court justices either they were

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00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: already wealthy or their spouse with wealthy. So he was

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Speaker 1: legitimately one of the quote unquote poorest members of the court.

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Speaker 1: But even in two thousand he was pulling in the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court salary.

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Speaker 4: It's not like it was nothing.

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Speaker 1: It was the inflation adjusted equivalent of roughly three hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifteen thousand dollars. So those were the poverty wages

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00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: that were forcing him to potentially resign from the Court.

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Speaker 2: I see this with public officials all the time, and

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00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 2: I think to really explain the phenomenon, you have to

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00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 2: understand the water within they swim is on paper, they're important,

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Speaker 2: but they make an upper middle class salary. Let's be

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00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 2: real too, it's a pretty good salary compared to majority

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00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 2: of Americans. But the problem is is that they're dining

1131
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 2: and they're hanging out all the time with millionaires, multi

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00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 2: millionaires and billionaires, and so your peer group becomes much

1133
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 2: richer than you are, and you start to ask yourself

1134
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 2: things like, Hey, my buddy's got a lake house over here,

1135
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 2: my other friends got a private jet, my other friend

1136
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 2: drives a range drover. I'm such an important guy. Why

1137
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 2: don't I get those things? But what they don't get

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00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 2: is that you are welcome to any of that. You

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00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 2: just have to leave. But if you left, then you'd

1140
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 2: have to compete in the marketplace and buy your own business,

1141
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 2: or at the very least sell out and be corrupt,

1142
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 2: and you wouldn't have the same level of power.

1143
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:41,800
Speaker 3: The power so they want to have it both ways.

1144
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 2: He wants to both be a household name and to

1145
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 2: be a Supreme Court justice and have all the accouterment

1146
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 2: of the super rich, to which, again I say, Clarence resign.

1147
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:55,800
Speaker 3: You can live a great life man.

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00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 2: By all accounts, he loves his RVs and the motorcycles

1149
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 2: and all that. He could quit today and he'd make

1150
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 2: ten times more money, you know, just on the speaking circuit,

1151
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 2: but he doesn't want to do it because he loves

1152
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 2: being on the Supreme Court. And this is what really

1153
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,839
Speaker 2: annoys me about it is these guys just simply have

1154
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 2: to accept that being in public service means taking a

1155
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 2: huge cut to your lifestyle, so be it. I don't

1156
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 2: even necessarily think it should be that way. I think

1157
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 2: that we could have come up with all kinds of

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00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 2: different systems because my get you know, my want is

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00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 2: to remove corruption entirely from the system. But I also

1160
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 2: just have such a hard time, you know, even explaining

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00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 2: it this way, not sitting here and saying three hundred

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00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 2: and eighteen thousand dollars in adjusted income.

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Speaker 3: That's a ton of money.

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00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's enough.

1165
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 2: You could make a mortgage, you could buy a house,

1166
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 2: and you could make your dumb you know payment on

1167
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 2: a less higher end RV. You could afford one hundred

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00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 2: thousand dollars IV. Why do you need a two hundred

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00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 2: and six thousand dollars RV. This is where I just

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00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 2: think they want, like absolute limitless of the resources of

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00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 2: you know what they swim in. And I'm sorry, that's

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00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 2: just not how America works, or become rich first and

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00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 2: then do it. That sounds like a tried and true

1174
00:57:59,400 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 2: strategy too.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of middle class by blanc there

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Speaker 1: who are able to afford a reasonably priced RV and

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Speaker 1: Clarence Thomas three hundred and fifteen thousand dollars, surely you

1178
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: would have been able to, you know, pursue your passions

1179
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 1: in that regard. I thought some of the quotes in

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Speaker 1: this piece were remarkable. This congressman Florida Representative Cliff Sterns,

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00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: who they describe as a vocal conservative who at that

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00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: time in two thousand have been in Congress for eleven

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Speaker 1: years and occasionally socialized with Justice Thomas. He said that

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Speaker 1: in an interview with Pro Publica about this exchange where

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Speaker 1: Thomas is h might resigned from the Court because I'm

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00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: just not making enough cash, he said, quote, his importance

1187
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: as a conservative was paramount. We wanted to make sure

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00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: he felt comfortable in his job and was being paid properly.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's as much a direct acknowledgment of this

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00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: whole scheme as you could possibly get. At the same time,

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Speaker 1: they track, they say, during his second decade on the court,

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Speaker 1: after this conversation, Thomas's financial situation appears to have markedly

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Speaker 1: improved with the help of his wealthy benefactors. I added

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Speaker 1: that part in in two thousand and three, he received

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Speaker 1: the first payments of a one point five million dollar

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Speaker 1: advance for his memoir that was a record breaking sum

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Speaker 1: for justices at the time. This is interesting to me,

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Speaker 1: Jinny Thomas. His wife, who had been a Congressional staffer,

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Speaker 1: was by then working at the Heritage Foundation and was

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Speaker 1: paid a salary in the low six figures. So his

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00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 1: wife gets a nice gig as well, paying her well.

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00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 1: He's getting these dozens of expensive gifts, most of which

1203
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: were never reported.

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Speaker 4: To the public.

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Speaker 1: And so it seems like this circle of conservative donors

1206
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 1: in order to ensure that he and apparently the other

1207
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: justice they were concerned about at the time was Scalia,

1208
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 1: didn't resign and stayed on the court because Clarence Thomas

1209
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: indicated like, oh, it's not just me, you know, it

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00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: may be also at least one other justice who would resign,

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Speaker 1: and Scalia was the other quote unquote least wealthy of

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00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 1: the justices who were on the court, And so they

1213
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: ramped up their gifting, which all flew under the radar,

1214
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: and yeah, you know, it also exposes the distance between

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01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 1: public expectations for quote unquote public servants and the schemes

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01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 1: that they you know, the ethical schemes that they actually

1217
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 1: operate in. I mean, you still have the court really

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01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 1: blocking any sort of scrutiny, any sort of code of

1219
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 1: conduct that would have any teeth.

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Speaker 4: That's very different from the.

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Speaker 1: Entire rest of the Federal judiciary, and I do think

1222
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: at its court it reminds me of like Bob McDonald,

1223
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 1: very similar story where you know, he and his wife

1224
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 1: were accepting all of these luxury gifts from people who

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01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 1: had business with the States just to benefit from state

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01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 1: policy and lo and behome. That goes to something he's

1227
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 1: found guilty of corruption, goes to the Supreme Court, and

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01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court says, nah, we don't think that's corruption.

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01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 1: Interesting that they would side with him on that case.

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01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 3: It's a problem for them, it really is.

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01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 2: And my only hope is that these stories are setting

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01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 2: up standard at least in the federal judiciary, who are

1233
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 2: of those who are you know, future Supreme Court nominees

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01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 2: where you have to learn to at the very least,

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01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 2: even if none of this is illegal.

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Speaker 3: It's like, what, you don't want to deal with this?

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Speaker 2: In all these stories, this will be one of the

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Speaker 2: probably the most enduring things that people remember about Clarence

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01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 2: Thomas was Anita what is it?

1240
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Speaker 3: Anita Hill?

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Speaker 2: And now this, And I think, you know, why would

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01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 2: you want to tire your legacy that way? It's just

1243
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 2: not something that you would want to deal with. So,

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01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 2: you know, at least let shame be a part of

1245
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 2: the guiding thing. Although I generally think most of these

1246
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 2: people are too shameless to ever care.

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01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 3: We'll see.

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01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 2: Let's move on to Biden. There's some extraordinary things happening

1249
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 2: in the Biden campaign.

1250
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 3: Pole just came out this morning.

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01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 2: Crystal from New York Times Sanna Trump is actually winning

1252
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 2: with young voters. Every poll that we look at shows

1253
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 2: Trump leading in swing states, shows Biden losing, shows Biden

1254
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 2: at the lowest level for approval ever in the modern

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01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 2: American presidency, including Jimmy Carter, and yet his campaign is

1256
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 2: completely calm. Here is a journalist who embedded with the

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01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 2: Biden campaign describing their state of mind.

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Speaker 3: Right now, Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 9: This central article of faith that I heard over and

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01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 9: over for the last six months Really, as I've been

1261
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 9: asking this question, which is what is the plan here,

1262
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 9: is that voters just aren't really paying attention in the

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01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 9: way that they're going to a year from now when

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01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 9: it actually comes down to vote eleven months from now.

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01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 9: The point that they that I heard repeated over and

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01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 9: over again is that once real Americans, real people who

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01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 9: are currently not thinking about politics at all, once they

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01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 9: lock into the fact that this is going to be

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01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 9: another election where Donald Trump is on the ballot, everything

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01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 9: is going to change. That's going to change for young voters,

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01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 9: it's going to change, for voters of color, it's going

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01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 9: to change for really the Biden coalition, Now I heard

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01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 9: this over and over while Biden's numbers were tanking. To

1274
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 9: make a long story short and not to sugarcoat it,

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01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 9: but their argument is that if you look at poles,

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01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 9: if you look at focus groups, real people who you know,

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01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 9: are the people who vote in elections, simply aren't. It's

1278
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 9: not just that they're not paying attention yet, they don't

1279
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 9: even understand that Trump is going to come back in

1280
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 9: a year on the ballot and that the major threat

1281
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 9: is there. So that's why the Biden campaign has started

1282
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 9: keying in on Trump more talking about what a second

1283
01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 9: term would look like.

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01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 2: I questions about that. Real people don't realize Trump is

1285
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 2: going to come back. Really, I don't think that's true.

1286
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 2: It's like, have more faith in the American public. Maybe

1287
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 2: they know that they just don't care nearly as much

1288
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 2: as you do, and they're like, well, when they find

1289
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 2: out the stakes, it's maybe going to flip on a dime.

1290
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 2: That's a pretty big bet to make. It's certainly possible.

1291
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 2: Let's put this one, please up on the screen. This

1292
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 2: is the actual profile that he wrote, The alarming calm

1293
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 2: of the Biden campaign Inside Reelection HQ, the President's aids

1294
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 2: feel confident the twenty twenty four race is totally under control.

1295
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 3: What sticks out to me is just abortion. It is

1296
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:35,479
Speaker 3: very clear to me, they say.

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Speaker 2: Beyond the economy and Trump's lean into fascism he declined

1298
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 2: to give, it is abortion that is most likely to

1299
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 2: play a fundamental role in shaping the electorate. Democrats have

1300
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 2: made it a centerpiece of their argument, and Trump was

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Speaker 2: crowing about the end of row. Ron de Santis also

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Speaker 2: asked about it, and they point to consistently the underperformance

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01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 2: on the ballot of these abortion state measures. For the

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01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 2: reason why they remain hopeful. I think again, that is

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01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 2: a good case. I think it remains probably the only

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01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 2: case as to how Biden will get reelected. But then

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01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 2: at the same time, Crystal, I look at a New

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01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 2: York Times Siana pol which shows Donald J. Trump leading

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Speaker 2: with young voters from eighteen to thirty four, and I

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01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 2: see RFK Junior, who was sitting at this desk just

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01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 2: last week, and he's leading amongst young voters, And I

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01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 2: think about who he could take votes away from, and

1313
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 2: then level of chaos, and so I could see it

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01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 2: every single way. I could see a Trump blowout win,

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01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 2: a Trump blowout loss. I could see a Biden, you know,

1316
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 2: a marginal edge. I could see Biden winning but not

1317
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 2: getting the popular vote or at least the smallest share

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01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 2: because of someone like RFK. I just think this is

1319
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 2: a hell of a thing to gamble on. But it

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01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 2: fits with Biden's career. He's stoic, and he's an egomaniac.

1321
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 2: He believes most in himself, and he's like the American

1322
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 2: people will come to me and to see, you know,

1323
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 2: the benefits and why Trump is so so bad. But

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01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 2: there's not a lot of data to support that right now.

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01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 4: It's wild to me.

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Speaker 1: They start this piece with a presentation that Biden campaign

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01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 1: operatives were giving to some other political operatives who'd been

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01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 1: associated with the Obama campaign. And these Obama campaign people

1329
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 1: were like, wait, you don't have like, you're not pushing

1330
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 1: the panic button. You don't have any more of a

1331
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 1: plan than this. I mean, part of their plan is

1332
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 1: literally just an assumption that Biden's numbers.

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Speaker 4: Are going to get better.

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01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 1: They say in this piece, the Biden strategy assumes that

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01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 1: his poll numbers will get a cyclical improvement.

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01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 4: Why, like that just doesn't happen.

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01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:30,439
Speaker 1: I mean maybe typically or usually or whatever, but you're

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01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 1: not going to do anything to try to make that happen.

1339
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 1: And you're out here telling everybody like this is a

1340
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 1: profound threat to democracy and the whole reason Biden's running

1341
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 1: again is because of Trump and what a unique risky is,

1342
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. And then you're just like everybody, relax.

1343
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 1: All of these poll numbers one after another that show

1344
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 1: Biden losing in literally every single swing state and bleeding

1345
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 1: support by the way from his own base. You're just

1346
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 1: cool with that. You think it's just naturally gonna revert.

1347
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, maybe maybe the polls are wrong.

1348
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 1: Maybe once people dial in on Trump or whatever, they're

1349
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 1: reminded of how obnoxious and chaotic he is.

1350
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 4: Or maybe the criminal chart.

1351
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 1: Maybe, but you're not doing anything really to try to

1352
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 1: effectuate that outcome.

1353
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:15,520
Speaker 4: I do think one thing that they.

1354
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 1: Point to, which seems like a pretty obvious failure to me,

1355
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 1: is you know that Biden camp. I mean that Obama

1356
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 1: campaign back in twenty twelve against Mint Romney.

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01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 4: They actually ran a brilliant strategy. They got on extremely early.

1358
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 4: It was it.

1359
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 1: Was risky because they blew a lot of cash early,

1360
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 1: defining Mitt Romney for the public as this out of

1361
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 1: touch billionaire.

1362
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 4: And it worked.

1363
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 1: It stuck, It worked. Romney's personality sort of played into that.

1364
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 1: He made a number of horrific gaps on the campaign trail,

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01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 1: et cetera that really cemented that image. They've done very

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01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 1: little to even remind people of. If your whole thing

1367
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 1: is like I'm better than the other guy, and you

1368
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 1: may not love me, but Trump is horrific, Like, why

1369
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 1: aren't you amplifying some of the things about Donald Trump

1370
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:00,240
Speaker 1: that you think are horrific? Why aren't you talking more

1371
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 1: about the criminal charges, the fact that this dude could

1372
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 1: very well be found guilty and be put in prison.

1373
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 1: You know, if that's your angle, if you're running on,

1374
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 1: you know, the lesser of two evils, and that's your

1375
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 1: whole thing, which has always been their whole thing, rather

1376
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 1: than an affirmative agenda, you better start leaning into that

1377
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:17,320
Speaker 1: and making that case because people aren't feeling that in

1378
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 1: the way that they perhaps used to feel that. They

1379
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 1: say in this piece of that. The campaign has an

1380
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 1: unofficial motto it might be quote unquote calm the f down,

1381
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 1: trust the process, and vote for Joe Biden one more time.

1382
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:34,520
Speaker 1: Really inspiring stuff there, Guys really really dialed in on

1383
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 1: the American public.

1384
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 2: Right now that ought to do it, I think, and

1385
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 2: again to highlight this is please the mommoth polling that

1386
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 2: we have, can we put it up there on the screen.

1387
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 2: The job approval rating is at an all time low

1388
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 2: thirty four percent approved, sixty one percent disapprove.

1389
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 3: That's crazy.

1390
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 2: And you know, on the issues, I really think this

1391
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 2: highlights a big discussion we had yesterday about immigration.

1392
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 3: Can we put this up there please?

1393
01:07:56,240 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 2: About the overall ones on infrastructure, forty two percent actually

1394
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 2: approve fifty two percent disapprove, Jobs, forty two percent approve,

1395
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:08,560
Speaker 2: fifty three percent disapprove. Climate change thirty eight percent approve,

1396
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:10,800
Speaker 2: fifty four percent disapproved. Go to the next one, and

1397
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 2: these are arguably the most important. Inflation twenty eight percent approve,

1398
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 2: sixty eight percent disapprove. Immigration twenty six percent approve sixty

1399
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 2: nine percent. I mean, these are fatal numbers, inflation and immigration.

1400
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 2: Immigration is going to be the number one issue that

1401
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 2: Trump talks about that he's got the best ground on,

1402
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 2: and inflation's gonna be the number one thing that is

1403
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:31,759
Speaker 2: on American's minds. Now, will abortion, where he does certainly

1404
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,720
Speaker 2: hold a double digit lead, will that be able to

1405
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 2: trump everything else? It worked in twenty eighteen, Now will

1406
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:41,800
Speaker 2: it work in twenty and twenty or sorry, twenty twenty two?

1407
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 2: Will it work in twenty twenty four is just the

1408
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 2: most open question. And as you pointed out too on

1409
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 2: the Obama campaign, the reason the Obama people are a

1410
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:52,719
Speaker 2: gast is, you know, they would never take this for granted,

1411
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:55,519
Speaker 2: They would never believe it all on the line up

1412
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:58,639
Speaker 2: until some you know, magic thing will carry you across

1413
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:01,720
Speaker 2: the finish line the way that you really win and

1414
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 2: you do well. I think at really anything is that

1415
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 2: you attack it always as if the stakes are existential,

1416
01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:09,840
Speaker 2: especially when you're in a one on one context. Should

1417
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 2: be working as hard as you are today, as hard

1418
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 2: as you can today as you would the day before

1419
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 2: the election, because you could win somebody over here.

1420
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:18,599
Speaker 3: You can win somebody over here.

1421
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 5: You know.

1422
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 2: It's like death by a thousand or winning by a

1423
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 2: thousand cuts, I guess you would say. But they just

1424
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:26,680
Speaker 2: seem resigned to this, and that's just a tremendously risky strategy.

1425
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 2: It's just not the way that really high functioning and

1426
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 2: good people would operate anything a business, a campaign, or

1427
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 2: whatever that you're trying to do in life.

1428
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:38,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the big shift over the past two months

1429
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 1: has been among Democratic base voters, and in particular among

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01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 1: young voters, who you know, have a lot of issues

1431
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 1: they're concerned about, but their view on Israel is diametrically

1432
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 1: opposed to the Biden policy on Israel. And so that's

1433
01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 1: part of what is contributed to this New York Times

1434
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:01,679
Speaker 1: Siana pol that just came out, which I think counterpoints

1435
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 1: are probably covering depth tomorrow. But voters between eighteen and

1436
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:09,600
Speaker 1: twenty nine, nearly three quarters of them disapprove of the

1437
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:12,320
Speaker 1: way that Biden is handling the conflict tank Gaza. Among

1438
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 1: registered voters, they say they would vote for Trump by

1439
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 1: forty nine to forty three. That's young voters going for

1440
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 1: Trump by six points. And it's not like that's been

1441
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:26,839
Speaker 1: that way forever. Back in July. Just over this summer,

1442
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:32,560
Speaker 1: those same young voters were backing Biden by ten percentage points.

1443
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 1: So we went from a ten percentage point lead with

1444
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 1: young voters to a six point loss among young voters.

1445
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 1: And you know, they interview some of these young voters

1446
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 1: in this piece, A number of them say, listen, I'm

1447
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:47,040
Speaker 1: not going to vote for Trump, but I just may

1448
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 1: stay home. One of them was like, oh, which doesn't

1449
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:51,880
Speaker 1: make a lot of sense, but they were like, I'm

1450
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:54,799
Speaker 1: unhappy with Biden over Israel. I might vote for RFK Junior.

1451
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 1: Their positions are not actually apparently.

1452
01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 4: Different to promote.

1453
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a protest, so you know, people aren't always

1454
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:03,600
Speaker 1: paying attention to the ins and outs of what everybody's

1455
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:05,680
Speaker 1: position is. They just feel like, this is disgusting what's

1456
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 1: unfolding right now. I may as well try something different.

1457
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 1: Even if the profess views are not all that, you know,

1458
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 1: not all that different, because the truth of the matter is, Trump, Biden,

1459
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 1: and RFK Junior are more or less lockstep in terms

1460
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 1: of Israel, with different sort of like rhetorical flourishes.

1461
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:26,960
Speaker 2: Perhaps, Yeah, I just think that this is the most

1462
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 2: precarious and crazy situation proceeding into election that we have

1463
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 2: seen since ninety two, and the stakes are so much

1464
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 2: higher today than they were in nineteen ninety two. At

1465
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:41,559
Speaker 2: that time, Honestly, not all that much would have changed

1466
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:45,040
Speaker 2: regardless whether Bush or Clinton or would have won, although.

1467
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 4: Pro would have been Perau would have been different.

1468
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 3: Honestly, Yeah, he was man, man, what.

1469
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:51,720
Speaker 4: A missed opportunity. He's block NAFTA.

1470
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 2: He would have been a fantastic president, but it probably

1471
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 2: was never on the table. But I think that the

1472
01:11:57,000 --> 01:12:00,240
Speaker 2: stakes today have literally I mean, I know everybody says

1473
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:01,760
Speaker 2: it in terms of why you should vote for me,

1474
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:04,360
Speaker 2: when I say hi, just in terms of the tremendous

1475
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:07,599
Speaker 2: uncertainty in the global system and for the American future

1476
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 2: and the variety of directions that we could go. And

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01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 2: I just have no idea sitting here because of such

1478
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 2: a high number of like variable outcomes that actually.

1479
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 1: Cold, Yeah, we're at a very chaotic pivot point. And

1480
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 1: that's why it really matters who the next leader is,

1481
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 1: and you know the direction they take to that. And yeah,

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01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 1: it would be nice if we had some more aspiring

1483
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 1: choices than what we do.

1484
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 2: There's a new movie coming out from a twenty four

1485
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:37,240
Speaker 2: kind of an indie art house film called Civil War

1486
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 2: that will be hitting theaters ahead of the twenty twenty

1487
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 2: four election, with some troubling scenes trying to play on

1488
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:46,720
Speaker 2: the strife in the American political system. Let's take a

1489
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:48,840
Speaker 2: look at some of the trailer and then a particular

1490
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 2: map of how they think a civil war would play

1491
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:53,559
Speaker 2: out in this country.

1492
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:56,320
Speaker 3: Let's take a list. Nineteen states have succeeded in the

1493
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 3: United States. Army rams of actimity, White House.

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01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 6: Issue warning to the way certain warses as well as

1495
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:06,559
Speaker 6: the Florida Allian There's some kind of misunderstanding here, right, Well,

1496
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:12,400
Speaker 6: you're American? Okay, okay, what kind of American are you?

1497
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:24,520
Speaker 5: You don't know, God bless America.

1498
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 2: Civil war it's coming crystal according to them. And if

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01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:32,640
Speaker 2: you didn't catch that, that whole what kind of American?

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01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 2: Now just think in your head. Let's say there was

1501
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 2: a civil war how would things divide? Would it be

1502
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 2: north and would it be south? Would it be west

1503
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:42,720
Speaker 2: versus East? Here is how the foreign creator of this

1504
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 2: movie decided that a civil war in America would play out.

1505
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen. So here's

1506
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:48,679
Speaker 3: the map that he's got.

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01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:52,200
Speaker 2: According to him, the Second Republic of Texas and the

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01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 2: Republic of California would be in an alliance together. The

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01:13:56,600 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 2: loyalist states would basically include every but the old Confederacy

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01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 2: in something called the Florida Alliance, which includes Oklahoma to Florida,

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01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 2: the Deep South, and Tennessee. Then the western forces would

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01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 2: have Colorado looped in with Washington, Oregon, Montana, Idaho.

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01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:24,240
Speaker 7: And so.

1514
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:28,440
Speaker 3: Here's the thing, Crystal, just looking at all.

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Speaker 2: This, this map doesn't make any goddamn sense, literally zero.

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Speaker 2: It is hilarious that said, I'm declaring my allegiance to

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01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:38,800
Speaker 2: the Second Republic of Texas in the Republic of California.

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01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 3: So here's my case. I'm curious who you're sticking with.

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01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:45,720
Speaker 2: Just let's even put aside, like what, like why and

1520
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:49,600
Speaker 2: how this could happen politically obviously would be stupid. California

1521
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 2: and Texas are two of the only states in this country,

1522
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:57,040
Speaker 2: which are more akin to nation states. So for Texas

1523
01:14:57,240 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 2: on its own, would be the eighth largest economy in

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01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:03,639
Speaker 2: the world. California, I believe, would be larger than the

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01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:06,360
Speaker 2: almost every other country inside of the G seven except

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01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 2: for Japan. If you combine them together, and I actually

1527
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 2: checked into this, it would be the equivalent of some

1528
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 2: five point nine trillion dollars in GDP, So it would

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01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:19,400
Speaker 2: be the second largest economy or the second largest economy

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01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:22,559
Speaker 2: in the entire G seven, behind the US. And then

1531
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 2: if it would be US, China, and it would be

1532
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:27,400
Speaker 2: this whatever. This alliance is so a powerhouse. They've got

1533
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 2: huge populations one and two in terms of overall US density.

1534
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 2: Then you consider the fact that you have Pacific port access,

1535
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 2: you've got Atlantic port access, You've got easily they would

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01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:41,639
Speaker 2: gobble up Arizona, New Mexico.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why those two were included in the

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01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 3: loyal estates.

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01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:46,639
Speaker 2: So they would control the vast majority of the border

1540
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:47,599
Speaker 2: with Mexico.

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01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 3: So that's who I'm betting on in this so call.

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01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:53,600
Speaker 2: Also, they have a lot of military aged males, infrastructure

1543
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:55,880
Speaker 2: and bases and other things in this area.

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01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 3: But that's who I'm going to stick with in the

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01:15:58,160 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 3: so called Alliance.

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01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:03,720
Speaker 1: Well, my reasons are much less tactical and much more emotional.

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01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:07,000
Speaker 1: Every state I've ever lived in is in the Loyalist Alliance.

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01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 1: In the states where my parents are from is also

1549
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 1: in the Loyalist Alliance. So I've lived in Ohio, Virginia, Kentucky,

1550
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 1: and New York. So I got to stick with the

1551
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 1: And also, I'm an American Patriots, so I'm gonna stay

1552
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:22,920
Speaker 1: loyal to the American project. Here we do have, though,

1553
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:27,120
Speaker 1: you know, a tremendous industrial base in the Loyalist Alliance.

1554
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:31,200
Speaker 1: The old industrial Midwest can get a new burst of

1555
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:34,640
Speaker 1: energy with this with the Civil War apparently, you know,

1556
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:36,559
Speaker 1: when I initially saw the map, let's put the map

1557
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:38,760
Speaker 1: back up on the screen. When I initially saw it,

1558
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 1: I reacted negatively to the fact that it's so preposterous.

1559
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 1: But I'm actually kind of glad they made it preposterous,

1560
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 1: because otherwise you just turned the movie into some other

1561
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:54,640
Speaker 1: like proxy war in our endless culture battles. If you

1562
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 1: had it more of like a red state versus Blue

1563
01:16:57,439 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 1: state situation, it would be the move. It would make

1564
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:04,880
Speaker 1: the movie like insufferable. And you have you know, blue

1565
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 1: state Democrats cheering for one side in the movie and

1566
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:10,040
Speaker 1: red state Republicans cheering for another side. And even that

1567
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:12,479
Speaker 1: wouldn't make a lot of sense because you think about

1568
01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:16,719
Speaker 1: a state like Georgia, So Georgia overall it's a swing

1569
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:21,479
Speaker 1: state and there are incredibly conservative Trump loving Republicans and

1570
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:26,760
Speaker 1: there are extremely pro Joe Biden, you know, democrats in

1571
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:30,400
Speaker 1: the urban areas. So because so much of our cultural

1572
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 1: divides now are more based on education, based on urban rural,

1573
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:38,559
Speaker 1: it doesn't there wouldn't really be a map split that

1574
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 1: would make sense.

1575
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 4: So I'm kind of.

1576
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 1: Glad that they made it preposterous so that you don't

1577
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:45,000
Speaker 1: get into these like weird cultural devices.

1578
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:45,439
Speaker 4: This is the thing.

1579
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:47,840
Speaker 2: There's a big thing online people like to talk about

1580
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:50,800
Speaker 2: and play act and cosplay civil war. It just doesn't

1581
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:53,679
Speaker 2: make any sense because our problems are not geographic anymore,

1582
01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 2: and to the extent that they are, they are class based,

1583
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 2: and they are from a sorting of urban versus rural.

1584
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:02,040
Speaker 2: If you live in our area, far more likely to

1585
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:04,559
Speaker 2: be a liberal, to be college educated, to be hire income,

1586
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 2: to have separate cultural tastes, and you could be I

1587
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:11,600
Speaker 2: don't know, ten fifteen miles away from somebody who you

1588
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:13,839
Speaker 2: would never interact with ever.

1589
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 3: On a daily basis.

1590
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:17,920
Speaker 2: You know, the whole thing about the original North and

1591
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 2: South Civil War is that the dividing question of that

1592
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 2: time was slavery and the economic system of which it

1593
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:27,599
Speaker 2: helped to perpetrate, which was industrial North and the slave

1594
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 2: owning South, and agrarian versus industrial economies. And it happened

1595
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:34,200
Speaker 2: to divide amongst geography. But today that's not what our

1596
01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:36,360
Speaker 2: problems are. It's all based on education, it's all based

1597
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 2: on class, that's cultural taste, and it's just city versus urban.

1598
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:42,880
Speaker 2: So to that extent, it doesn't make any sense. Another reason,

1599
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 2: here's one reason though, to be doubtful of the loyal estates,

1600
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:48,519
Speaker 2: the Western Forces or Western Alliance or whatever it's called.

1601
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 2: Within the map, they have I think a decent portion

1602
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 2: of the nuclear weapons, and they would have control on that,

1603
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:57,120
Speaker 2: so I'm not so sure how much control there would be.

1604
01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:00,799
Speaker 2: The question too here about this so called like civil

1605
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:04,720
Speaker 2: war and Balkanization, is that any true Balkanization, if it

1606
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 2: were to ever come in America, would be rle versus urban.

1607
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:08,720
Speaker 2: And that's also why it's just not going to come

1608
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 2: because of the way that the governing authorities are. We

1609
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:13,960
Speaker 2: are not even close to the levels of what things

1610
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 2: look like in the eighteen sixties, and people should actually

1611
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 2: read a ton more about how the actual country came

1612
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:21,559
Speaker 2: apart between the eighteen thirties and all the way up

1613
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:24,760
Speaker 2: until eighteen sixty one, the dividing questions of slavery, the

1614
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:27,160
Speaker 2: way that it worked through the so called compromises.

1615
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 3: We're not even close to that. So I agree with you.

1616
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:31,640
Speaker 2: The fact that the map is so dumb is to

1617
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:34,800
Speaker 2: a benefit of the movie because it purely exists in

1618
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 2: the realm of fantasy and what it would look like.

1619
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 1: It sort of reminds me of when mister Beast did

1620
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:42,639
Speaker 1: the Olympics y and he just great world randomly solved all.

1621
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 4: These different territorial disputes.

1622
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:46,559
Speaker 1: But because he did it in a non ideological way

1623
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 1: that was just totally.

1624
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:49,800
Speaker 4: Happy, wholes random, it was fine.

1625
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:50,080
Speaker 2: Right.

1626
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:53,600
Speaker 1: It's sort of like that, like the idea that Kentucky

1627
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 1: and West Virginia and New York would be an alliance together,

1628
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 1: and that you know, Colorado and Idaho or the only

1629
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:02,680
Speaker 1: one that makes any sense is really the what are

1630
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:05,759
Speaker 1: they called the Florida for whatever Florida Alliance.

1631
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 2: But then why would Oklahoma not join Texas. Oklahoma's well

1632
01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 2: this is Oklahoma' are gonna get upset, But you guys

1633
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:13,559
Speaker 2: are basically Texas. So if you go and at least

1634
01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 2: the way I was taught, we have, actually do they

1635
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 2: have in Virginia of Texas history like Virginia history. We

1636
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:23,840
Speaker 2: have an entire year of curriculum dedicated to Texas history,

1637
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:26,000
Speaker 2: which I've always thought is amazing. And the first thing

1638
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:27,639
Speaker 2: they always teach you is that we were our own

1639
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:30,240
Speaker 2: country once and we can be, which.

1640
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:32,559
Speaker 3: Is why we are allowed to fly our flag as

1641
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:35,120
Speaker 3: high as the US flag, because we were once a republic.

1642
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 3: So so Texan.

1643
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:38,080
Speaker 4: I'm not sure. I'm not a big fan of Oklahoma.

1644
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:41,440
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I would really want to own Oklahoma.

1645
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:43,040
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean, I haven't spent much time there. It

1646
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:45,439
Speaker 2: seems okay. It looks like some decent farmland, you know,

1647
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:48,080
Speaker 2: some things out there. They can feed the capitol in Austin.

1648
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 2: That's what we'll get. A little Hunger Games action going.

1649
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 2: So anyway, Look, it's going to be a fun. It's

1650
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 2: going to be a fun.

1651
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 4: Do you think it's going to be good? The movie?

1652
01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:58,240
Speaker 3: If we were talking about this before. It's got high variants.

1653
01:20:58,240 --> 01:21:00,720
Speaker 2: It's even going to be horrible or it's going to

1654
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 2: be a fantastic and there's no in between. The guy

1655
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:05,760
Speaker 2: made X Makina, which is a great movie if I

1656
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:08,240
Speaker 2: were to I mean the cast. I love Jesse Planmon's

1657
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:10,519
Speaker 2: love him. His wife is Kirsten dun So they're both

1658
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:13,920
Speaker 2: playing in there. Nick Offerman is he's a great actor.

1659
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:17,040
Speaker 2: The other guy who played Pablo Escobar from Narcos, I've

1660
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:18,880
Speaker 2: only ever seen him as esco Ar. I don't know

1661
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 2: much about him, so it's a big lift for him

1662
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:23,920
Speaker 2: to play such a leading role. The African American gentleman

1663
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:25,880
Speaker 2: who is in there, I know him from the wire.

1664
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:28,759
Speaker 3: He's a very good actor. So we'll see.

1665
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:31,679
Speaker 2: I think it's probably going to code like capital L liberal,

1666
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:35,519
Speaker 2: which means will probably be bad, but we'll see it

1667
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:37,160
Speaker 2: is I will see, Sue, I.

1668
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:39,280
Speaker 1: Will watch I mean, you liked Barbie, which was the

1669
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:41,639
Speaker 1: most capital L liberal movie of all times.

1670
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 3: I watch a lot of movies. I love movies.

1671
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:46,519
Speaker 2: I'm an AMC A list member like I will basically

1672
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:49,040
Speaker 2: watch almost anything as long as it's got a decent

1673
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:50,880
Speaker 2: enough review just to go check it out.

1674
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm the wrong person to ask.

1675
01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:54,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna I want to see it, but I

1676
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:56,280
Speaker 1: will do what I always do, which is let other people.

1677
01:21:56,040 --> 01:21:57,599
Speaker 4: See it first and then if it's worth my time.

1678
01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:00,559
Speaker 3: Right now on my list is Wanka, big shot head.

1679
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:02,880
Speaker 2: I'm praying. I'm hoping for him. He's our only chance

1680
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 2: at a next generation movie star. I needed to bulk

1681
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 2: up a little bit though. That's what we need from him. Anyway, Guys,

1682
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:11,439
Speaker 2: you've heard enough of this commentary. We appreciate it. We're

1683
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:14,320
Speaker 2: actually filming, as you said, one of those segments that

1684
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:17,040
Speaker 2: will be releasing later, so that's why we're ending things

1685
01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:17,760
Speaker 2: a little bit earlier.

1686
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:18,040
Speaker 4: Today.

1687
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:20,679
Speaker 2: We're gonna have more that we'll be filming evergreen content

1688
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:24,120
Speaker 2: on Thursday. Those Norm Finkeles scene and Tucker Carlson interviews

1689
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:27,839
Speaker 2: exclusively released to our premium subscribers first before them being publicly,

1690
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:30,559
Speaker 2: so if you can support us Breakingpoints dot Com otherwise,

1691
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:32,760
Speaker 2: we will have a fantastic counterpoint show for all of

1692
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:44,600
Speaker 2: you tomorrow, and we'll see you on Thursday.