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Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, a production of I Heart

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Speaker 1: Radio Together Everything. So don yo, what's up? No, No,

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Speaker 1: what's up? It's a podcast that's good so much. We're

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Speaker 1: sure ever in the house. Where's Robert? Yeah, I know

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Speaker 1: we need we need Robert to come in strong right now.

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Speaker 1: Oh wait, he's not here. He's not here. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to the Worst Year Ever. Folks. We are here today

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Speaker 1: without Robert Evans, but we have me, Katie Stole. It's

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Speaker 1: true as ever and always. And Cody Johnson is the

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Speaker 1: name of the second person on the podcast. And who else?

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Speaker 1: Who else is here today? Whoa whoa? Whoa? Hi? I

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Speaker 1: am and this is Garrison. I'm filling in for Robert,

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Speaker 1: who is otherwise predisposed at the moment. Otherwise predisposed makes

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Speaker 1: him sound like he's on the toilet. Yeah he is.

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Speaker 1: It's a very polite bathroom excuse yep. He's just got

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Speaker 1: so so much food poisoned in the past month. It's

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Speaker 1: just been a real issue. He's been pounding iver meton

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Speaker 1: so he's shotting out his own heart. What do you expect?

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Speaker 1: What are you gonna do? Oh my goodness. The job

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Speaker 1: requires a lot of extensive research. Sometimes and it has

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Speaker 1: it has consequences, Yeah, exactly if you know, taking it

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Speaker 1: for the sea. America. So today speaking of America, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the nation, the nation, the state, the nation state. UM,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna, we are correct going to speak of America,

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Speaker 1: the nation and the state. We do indeed speak of America.

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Speaker 1: We speak of um today. Towards the end of the episode,

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Speaker 1: we have a really great interview for you, guys, um

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Speaker 1: Ah with a very lovely young woman named Olga, who

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Speaker 1: is here to talk to us about the potential strike

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Speaker 1: in uh Ayatsi, which is the you know, overarching union

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Speaker 1: for UH I mean everybody in the entertainment industry outside

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Speaker 1: of actors and writers, the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees.

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Speaker 1: Perfect yayeah perfect yeah zoom and not at that acronym.

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Speaker 1: But it's it's a great interview. Stick around for that.

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Speaker 1: Before we get there, we're gonna shoot the ship and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about some some goddamn news. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: splatter the ship on the walls. That sounds like you

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Speaker 1: want to start by talking about what Sophie you said

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Speaker 1: newsom Yeah, Garrison, do you want to talk to us

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Speaker 1: about all this voter uh going on with California recall,

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Speaker 1: which bothers no results sho we probably we probably won't

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Speaker 1: know results yet. I mean there's there's a decent chance,

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Speaker 1: but I mean hasn't cast his vote. Yeah, I have.

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Speaker 1: The counters are waiting on Cody still, so as soon

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Speaker 1: as this gets wrapped up then they'll be able to know.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, as we're recording this, this is the election

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Speaker 1: deadline with the California recall. And I've just spent the

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Speaker 1: past week watching old Larry Elder stuff and doing research

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Speaker 1: into the recall. It's a nightmare. Um. And you know

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Speaker 1: the thing that we all suspected is going to happen,

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Speaker 1: and what is happening? Is there? Fox News the past month,

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Speaker 1: ever since mid August has been prepping election fraud, uh

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Speaker 1: claims if Elder loses because and and it's so big.

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Speaker 1: Elder was that kind of ahead of the ahead of

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Speaker 1: the polls in the beginning of August, and then you know,

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Speaker 1: everyone mobilized to create ads saying that he's a bad dude.

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Speaker 1: So then polls have flipped and nowhere it's looking like

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Speaker 1: you know, the new symbol price stay in office. Um.

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Speaker 1: Probably well we'll see, um. But what they're what they're

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Speaker 1: doing in response is that now they're now trying to

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Speaker 1: this election fraud, the mailand ballots, blah blah blah blah,

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Speaker 1: all the same stuff from last year. There's doing it again,

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Speaker 1: and they're setting the stage for just having this same

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Speaker 1: claim be used now in every election whenever the Republicans lose,

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Speaker 1: right that, that's what's what they're preparing for. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: do this same circle again and again. Um. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: not great, just real quick there. This is gonna happen

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Speaker 1: over and over and over again, like you said, until

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Speaker 1: the end of time. That's great, we love it. Um.

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Speaker 1: One thing that we could not do is have like

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Speaker 1: reporters constantly ask these people like it seems like a

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Speaker 1: going to say? Why are you asking this person? You know,

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Speaker 1: Like there's no good solution to this. Like it's not

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Speaker 1: was hoping that you're going to come on this show

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Speaker 1: for later. But but this, this can start. And I

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Speaker 1: know last last weekend, Elder set up this whole website online. Cody,

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Speaker 1: talk about the website? Um, it's it's just fine, shirt.

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Speaker 1: I love it. It's amazing. I can't believe it exists already.

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Speaker 1: It seems like a thing that they had planned and

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Speaker 1: if you go, it's like a report uh fraud uh

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Speaker 1: claim it had already detected fraud, already detected detected fraud

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Speaker 1: in the results of the California recall election, resulting in

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Speaker 1: Governor Gavin Newsom being reinstated as governor. And I don't

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Speaker 1: know if anyone else was listening to Garrison earlier, uh,

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Speaker 1: because it was mentioned that the election is not over. Um,

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Speaker 1: not voted yet, Um, so how do they have these results?

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Speaker 1: They really stated you have to be removed first. Also

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Speaker 1: that's weird. Yeah, Like they literally can't start counting votes

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Speaker 1: way to detect fraud already because there's no one's counted

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Speaker 1: it incompetent? It is do it early because they know

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Speaker 1: that they're setting this up, like Elder has been on

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Speaker 1: Fox News the lot the past week plugging this site.

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Speaker 1: Like he's talked about it like he's wanting people to

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Speaker 1: Well that should get them out of their houses and

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Speaker 1: voting on election day. Yeah, it's not great. You know,

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Speaker 1: Tucker is talking about it every day on Fox News.

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Speaker 1: this forever. This is just how things are now because

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Speaker 1: they because of what happened in January six. Like, I

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Speaker 1: guess we can do that again if we just keep trying.

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Speaker 1: So now, if we're just doing this so yep, I

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Speaker 1: love elections. Look elections, Um, what else we want to

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Speaker 1: discuss here right now? Sells, we're talking about the dress.

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Speaker 1: You wanna talk about the Met? You want to talk

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Speaker 1: about the most torturous. What is the MET Gala? A gala?

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Speaker 1: All I know is Vogue Magazines involved in and it's

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Speaker 1: a fundraiser. I believe UM speak our best guest. While

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Speaker 1: what is the I've only been to the Met once.

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Speaker 1: got it. I've got the snow. They had fake snow

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Speaker 1: I've got something you have. So the Met is, as

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Speaker 1: MET Gala? Affectionately referred to as Fashion's biggest night out,

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Speaker 1: the ridiculous dresses that nobody should be wearing but are. Um. Also,

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Speaker 1: Do we do this every year now? Well, I mean

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Speaker 1: Just a beautiful, beautiful sculpted man in that black tux. Amazing. Um.

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Speaker 1: Uh So clearly the message worked. And it's like, I

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Speaker 1: the people were acting like she she didn't spends on

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Speaker 1: for interview, which is coming up next. Okay, So, as

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Speaker 1: we probably set up in the intro that we haven't

423
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Speaker 1: recorded yet, today we have the pleasure of sitting down

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Speaker 1: and chatting with Olga Lexel you. I'm going to redo that.

425
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: Did I pronounce your last name? Right, the only person

426
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 1: who's ever pronounced it correctly. I just got on in

427
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 1: my head. Okay, keep keep all of this in, Daniel,

428
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: I did it. I did it well. Um Olga, who

429
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: is a writer's assistant and a script coordinator, and she's

430
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Speaker 1: here today to talk to us about what is going

431
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: on with the I A T s e uh and

432
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: the potential strike that's coming up. UM. First, thank you

433
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: so much for joining us. Yeah, pleasure, Thank you for

434
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 1: wanting to know more. Oh absolutely, I mean well we

435
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 1: we we live in Los Angeles. UM, so perhaps my

436
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: feet is abnormally filled with conversations about this, but I'm

437
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 1: pretty sure that our listeners have caught wind of it

438
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: at some point, and if they haven't, they should and

439
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 1: they will definitely care about what we have to talk

440
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: about today. So to start, why don't you just tell

441
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 1: us what I A T S C is, what it

442
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: stands for and and and yeah, we'll start there. Yeah. Absolutely,

443
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 1: so is the YAZZI I like that. I know some

444
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 1: people pronounce it yatsi though, and that's weird, but is

445
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: essentially the largest union in entertainment, and um it represents

446
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: basically almost all rank and file in the production world. Um,

447
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: I think most people usually when they think of unions

448
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: think of like the w g A. The d g

449
00:27:53,960 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 1: AATs is like the less glamorous, younger brother of those unions. Um,

450
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: we have like the fewest I think multi millionaires of

451
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 1: any union instry, but we do have, you know, the

452
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 1: folks making minimum wage. Basically, anybody you meet on a set,

453
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 1: especially in l A, is going to be a member

454
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: of ayotsy. Yeah, it's pretty vital, you know. Obviously l

455
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: A is known to be as being the attend entertainment

456
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: industry and talks about the w g A or SAG

457
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 1: negotiations are always pretty front and center in the mainstream media.

458
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 1: But this is vital. This these are the people that

459
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: actually do the really hard intensive labor, the truly back

460
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: breaking labor of which there is a lot that goes

461
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: into making the stuff that we consume. UM And just

462
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: as an example, not every iotsy, local and craft would strike.

463
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: It's only folks who are part of the basic Agreement,

464
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: which is a contract that was created, but that I

465
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: includes props, grips, crafty, first aid cinematographers, sound, um, some

466
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: assistant editors, costumes, makeup hair, electricians, writer's assistant script suprisors.

467
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: It's like everybody. Yeah, so to be clear, everybody, almost everybody.

468
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: We do you within that, do you have like the union,

469
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: So IOTSY is like, oh, there's individual unions within that

470
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: kind of so IOTSY is known as the International is

471
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: kind of the big body that represents different locals, and

472
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: there's different locals operating in different regions. For example, I'm

473
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: a member of IoTs eight seventy one, which represents writers

474
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: assistants in Los Angeles. Um but if you're a writer

475
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: assistant in New York, you're not represented by eight seventy one.

476
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: At the same time, you know, here in Atlanta, people

477
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: who in l A would have been in eight seventy

478
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: one are in one sixty one. So there's tons of

479
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 1: different locals, Like there's there's some that have strong her

480
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: affiliations with the Greater International, and there's some that don't.

481
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,479
Speaker 1: Um uh, there's It really depends on state laws wherever.

482
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: But from what I'm reading this, if this strike were

483
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: to take place, and we're going to get into the

484
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: specifics of it, this would be the first industry wide

485
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: strike in the union's history. Yeah, I have pretty massive

486
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: never gone on strike, which is wild to think about Um. Yeah,

487
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: you know, the w g A has obviously gone on

488
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: strike multiple times and it's a much smaller union and

489
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: again more high profile, so they get away with that.

490
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: This is these are the people that get taken advantage of. Yeah.

491
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: I mean it's kind of cool because I feel like

492
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: when the w g A want on strike, my memories

493
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: are of like celebrity writers being yeah, whereas I don't

494
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: think anybody in AOTSI is really a huge celebrity. I

495
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: guess not yet maybe wait wait till this this this

496
00:30:55,040 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: podcast drops. Oh okay, um, all right, So where we're

497
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,959
Speaker 1: at right now is that the current contract deal expired

498
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: on September ten, um, and so now it's expired. People

499
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: are working under expired contracts. But according to what I

500
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: understand is the most recent communications, the two sides are

501
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: still very far apart. And I know that you're not

502
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: allowed to talk about everything that's happening right now, um,

503
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: but I would love to hear about what's happening, what

504
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: what you ever you can share, and then let's talk

505
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: about what you guys are asking for. Yeah, totally. I

506
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: think this has been a really unique process. Um. I

507
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: only joined DIOTSY a couple of years ago, and I

508
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: haven't been through a negotiation, but from what I've heard,

509
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: this is the first time that multiple locals have all

510
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: come together to negotiate like this, which gives us bigger leverage,

511
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: you know. So instead of like, oh, we're the writer's

512
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: assistance and we're going to go on strike if you

513
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: don't give us a raise, we're like, no, we're going

514
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: to go on strike with the grips and everybody else

515
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: to know. Um, So, I think it's really cool. It's

516
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: been it's been great to see other people have our backs.

517
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: It's every every local and Nazi kind of has its

518
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: own things that we deal with. Like you know, grips

519
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: tend to make more money in the union, like forty

520
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: bucks an hour or more, whereas writer's assistants make sixteen

521
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: bucks an hour. Oh yeah, but writer's assistance, for example,

522
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: don't necessarily work twelve hour days on set. They aren't

523
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: necessarily doing like hard labor on set, which a lot

524
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: of other locals might be. So there's uh, it's been

525
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: really interesting to see all the different components of um

526
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: these negotiations, and the stuff that is kind of more

527
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: publicly discussed is a need for reasonable rest um is

528
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: a big one. So let's break some of these down

529
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: as we go, because I think that's really important and

530
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: to that blow through reasonable rest. And I think what

531
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: most people don't understand when you're watching your TV shows

532
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: is what a day on set looks like. And under

533
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: the current rules, I mean, we're talking twelve hour days

534
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: plus overtime of people being on their feet. If you

535
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: are a camera operator, you're carrying a heavy, heavy piece

536
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: of equipment that does long term damage to your body,

537
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: you know, saying with the grips everybody, you're not having

538
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: and then if you go there's just a standard, and

539
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: it's it's it's so it's accepted that you you pack

540
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: as much as you can into these days, and if

541
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: you don't make your page count, you go into overtime.

542
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: And what that does is that that doesn't give you

543
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: enough of a turnaround. For a lot of people, they

544
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: go home, they don't have time to properly rest before

545
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: coming back to work. And the crazy thing is the

546
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: twelve hour work day in the industry has been a

547
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: standard for so long that now people basically factor in

548
00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: the penalties for violating it into their budget. So the

549
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: for example, we have meal penalties. If you don't get

550
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: the meal break when you're supposed to, the production has

551
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: to pay a penalty. UM. Now you have a lot

552
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: of producers who set up their budget assuming we're not

553
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: going to have meals and we're just going to eat that.

554
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: And when you have studios with infinite money, they can

555
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: do that. But yeah, it's just it's just a monitor

556
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: a small price, but they're not factoring in the human

557
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,280
Speaker 1: cost totally. I know in my union, for example, UM

558
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: script supervisors, who track continuity between shots one of the

559
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: most essential jobs on a set for UM. I know,

560
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: one big issue we've been having is there's a new

561
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: type of schedule called the French hour, where you only

562
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: shoot for ten hours, and instead of having a big

563
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: break in the middle of the day for lunch, UM

564
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: people take rolling breaks. So we'll have a group of

565
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: people eat at eleven and then at twelve and then

566
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: at one. But the script supervisors are stuck in their

567
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: chair as long as the cameras rolling, so when there's

568
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: no break, they don't get to eat because they have

569
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: to be constantly tracking what's happening in the shot. UM.

570
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,720
Speaker 1: So reasonable rest and meal breaks have been a big

571
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: thing for those folks in Yeah, I'm sure that this

572
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: is complicated, keeping in mind, you know, negotiating something that's

573
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: beneficial to this group of people, and then also you know,

574
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: scripts are the gaffers and the script supervisors coming to

575
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: the table at the same time and trying to negotiate

576
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: on everybody's behalfe complicated little things that we don't think about. Um.

577
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: There's a great Instagram account called I a Underscore Stories

578
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: that's all people in IOTSI talking about what they've experienced

579
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: on set. And I was reading something from a sound

580
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: person who talked about developing like a chronic bladder failure

581
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: condition from holding it in and not being able to

582
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: go to the bathroom because you know nobody's going to

583
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: stop and wait for you to take a break. Humane.

584
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: It's totally inhumane. It's I mean, people have horrible physical

585
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: problems because of this stuff. Yeah, it's I I just know,

586
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: like I think, I feel like there's such a there's

587
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: a cultural aspect to this industry, specifically with regards to

588
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 1: that because in a lot of people's mind, like you know,

589
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: you're making something, you're making a movie or a show,

590
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: and like that's the important thing, and that's the thing

591
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 1: that people before they even get into the industry, they do,

592
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 1: uh suffer for it. They do like go without meals,

593
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: they do like work twelve to fourteen sixty hours a

594
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: day because they're passionate about the project and then bringing

595
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: all of that energy in and just sort of assuming like, well,

596
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: surely you're going to continue to work like that and

597
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: exactly exploring exploiting the this sort of idea of just

598
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: like the project is an important thing. We're creating this,

599
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 1: and you have to suffer in order for that to this.

600
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: I feel like she gets away with it more when

601
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: I went to film school that you just like taught

602
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: us that. They're like, yeah, you're good, You're good. You're

603
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: gonna stand for fourteen hours. That's just part of the thing.

604
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: So they would like have us just like practice standing

605
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: an hour still holding holding like a boom mic, just like, yeah,

606
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna do this, Like that's just part of the therison.

607
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: That's wild. That's like film school pe. Yeah, So like

608
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: they're just training you to do it right, because yeah,

609
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 1: because you're you're when you want to do that kind

610
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: of stuff, you do that anyway. If you're passionate about it,

611
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: then you have to get it in. Yeah, because that's

612
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 1: that's that that's your dream. We're laughing, but that's horrible. Yeah, yeah, no,

613
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: it's yeah, that's not funny. I think. I think it's

614
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: internalized capitalism to this idea how hard you have to work.

615
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: I want to get back to Yatzi, but this whole

616
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: conversation makes me think about the broader conversation culturally that

617
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: we're having um and we'll be having more of, I

618
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: think and hope in the near future, is of the

619
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: four day work week and how actually when you provide

620
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: enough time for people to live their lives and be

621
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: healthy human beings, you get more work done, more efficiently

622
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: and a better product. And you're seeing that around the world.

623
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: And the battle is fighting against this narrative that we

624
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: have to work work, work, work work. We have to

625
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: push it and like that is to be celebrated, that

626
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: this is to the glorification of the overworking anyway, well,

627
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: and so much of it is about squeezing as much

628
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: labor as you can out of every worker without you know,

629
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,479
Speaker 1: giving them paid for that. Like, one thing I've really

630
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: learned throughout just my time in the industry is that

631
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 1: a lot of these jobs in these negotiations are treated

632
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: as totally replaceable. Um. You know, you're like, if you're

633
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: a grip, uh and you want to take a day off,

634
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: we'll find another grip. But the reality is that like

635
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: I don't know how to be a grip like I do,

636
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: any of you know how to be a grip? Like

637
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: they're going to find someone off the street who's going

638
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: to be a grip um Like I can't. I can

639
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: barely lift myself out of my chair, um, let alone

640
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: sixty pound lights. But there's this idea that you're so

641
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 1: replaceable and if you ask for anything above the bare minimum,

642
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: they'll find somebody else to take your job because everybody

643
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: wants to work in Hollywood. Reality is I know more

644
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: people leaving the industry than coming here. Absolutely, absolutely because

645
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: of the way we treat people and and to your point,

646
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: these aren't just replaceable people. That's a skilled trade. It's

647
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: a talent and it takes a lot of time and

648
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: effort in training to be good at it. You can't

649
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: be a g without like two years of training. I

650
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: really love to see a production where they just hire

651
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 1: scab makeup, hair grips, dps the whole work and see

652
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: how it goes truly, because at the end of the

653
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 1: day too, if I ask he goes on strike, I

654
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: think the studios would lose more money than they would

655
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 1: if they just gave us everything we wanted, which is

656
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: like a couple of bucks an hour and bathroom breaks. Yeah,

657
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, So some of the other things that

658
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: you guys are talking about, Yeah, living wages, that seems reasonable.

659
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 1: I know that that's tricky for negotiating because you've got

660
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of different UM types of jobs here. UM.

661
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: I would love to talk about new media as well. Yeah,

662
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: that's been really interesting. New media obviously has been around

663
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: for decades. Not really new, is it, but we still

664
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: call it new media. Yeah, it's become mostly an excuse

665
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 1: to just underpay people for something that's paid just does

666
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: like a scrappy little startup when you know most of

667
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: these companies have more money than god. UM. Netflix is

668
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: part of the basic agreement, but there's a lot of

669
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: other new media places that aren't UM. And I think

670
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: the argument that we've been hearing a lot is that

671
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: UM new media is an experiments and we don't know

672
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: if it will pay off. But it makes my blood

673
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: boil when I hear that sentence a little bit like sorry,

674
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: go ahead, yea, But I mean it's like Beta max

675
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: is an experiment and that lasted like fifteen years, So

676
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: should we just exploit people the whole fifteen years that

677
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: we have? Also, at what point does new media stopping

678
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: an experiment? All we Cody and I, separate from this show,

679
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: have an entire company based around a YouTube show that

680
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: you know, people watch on their televisions. One of the

681
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: biggest production houses is like Netflix and Hulu, Amazon Prime.

682
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: They're massive. It's They're not some scrappy little upstart. And

683
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: as for other places that are making low budget internet content,

684
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure that that is another part of the negotiations.

685
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 1: That's own separate thing. In fact, we have ultra low

686
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: budget agreements um for different types of projects. So there's

687
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 1: absolutely no reason why you should be looking at new

688
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: media and trying to fit it under a one stop deal, right,

689
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just really honestly, the only thing

690
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: that I the thing I've been thinking a lot about

691
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: is how most of the new media places, they are

692
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 1: hesitant to embrace these things, see themselves as like disruptors

693
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 1: in the industry, and what that means is that they're

694
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: backed by like tech companies, they're backed by VC funding,

695
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: and more often than not, they're totally not generating the

696
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: profits that they thought they would, and they want to

697
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: stay in this business, you know, continuing to squeeze as

698
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: much content as they can to recoup their losses. We've

699
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 1: seen so much. You know, Quimby, they were like too

700
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: short for us to pay you union wages look like that.

701
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: That's basically what that was. There's a lot of that

702
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: going on in new media, UM and I think that's

703
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: going to be the biggest sticking point this time around,

704
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 1: because if if the corporations lose that, that's that's really

705
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,439
Speaker 1: the easiest way for them to be exploiting us. There's

706
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: so many places that have new media arms that are

707
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 1: traditional places to like any of these companies are owned

708
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: by just bigger companies too, and all of them will

709
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 1: be soon if they aren't. Yeah, they Yeah, they're finding

710
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: loopholes to make things like that that are like, well,

711
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: it's just a it's a TV show you're making and

712
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: you're calling it new media. Yeah. All the while that

713
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: this is happening, I feel like I'm just constantly inundated

714
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: with headlines about how well the companies are doing, Like

715
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,720
Speaker 1: everybody's home because it's COVID. Everybody is getting an Utflix

716
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: subscription we have, we're getting record profits. And that's such

717
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,439
Speaker 1: a good point because what you're actually you're making all

718
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: that money and you're they're producing things again, we're shooting

719
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: things again, and every person that we've discussed today is

720
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: showing up to set and they're putting themselves at at

721
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: risk to make a TV show so you can watch

722
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: it at home. And I have shot a couple of

723
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:25,280
Speaker 1: things during COVID and it's not fun. It is hard,

724
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 1: like it is fifty times harder, and uh, it's hard

725
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 1: to test, it's hard to coordinate where people go. It's

726
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: hard to be lifting things and moving around with masks.

727
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 1: Everybody's stressed. Um, it's where do you sit to have

728
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: your own space where it's incredibly complicated. And so while

729
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: they're making all of this money, you're putting your workers

730
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: at risk and keeping them in absurdly long hours and

731
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: not paying them enough. That's the thing, you know. I

732
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: have a friends who works at a studio who mentioned

733
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: to me, you that's something that they were talking about

734
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: on a business Affairs called recently about this was that

735
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: IATs he is using COVID as an excuse to make

736
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: it seem like this is a problem when it's not.

737
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 1: And it's because I'm on set right now. Like we

738
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:22,280
Speaker 1: wear masks every day, we test every other day. It's grueling. Um.

739
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 1: We haven't had a single COVID outbreak and it's really hard. Um.

740
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: But at the same time, if you look at like

741
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: the l A County list of office outbreaks, it's like

742
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: all TV shows Young Pelton had like twenty nine COVID

743
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: outbreaks last year. That's because kims are filled with germs. Completely,

744
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 1: it's totally Yeah. I mean it's crazy. And the least

745
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 1: we're asking for his protections during this time. Um. And

746
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: even that, it's like, you know, but we need to

747
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: make TV uh. And I think one thing that's really

748
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: unique about IoTs is that when the w g A

749
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: went on strike, there was kind of a backlog of

750
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: content that people could still shoot. You know, scripts that

751
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: were written can be shot and edited and aired. Um.

752
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: Now basically everybody involved in the process is gone. Um.

753
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: If we go on strike, I truly think that the

754
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: entire industry would grind to a halt. UM, I don't

755
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: see how it wouldn't write. It's almost everybody you would

756
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:35,720
Speaker 1: think that that's uh, incredible leverage right now. So it

757
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: is disappointing. I will say that, you know, you're currently

758
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: at a situation where they seem very far away from

759
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: where you guys are. Yeah, I honestly have no idea.

760
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: You know, they they're not legally allowed to talk to

761
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: members about, um, what's happening in negotiations. UM. So it's

762
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: really you're putting a lot of faith in your union leadership.

763
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: But it's nice for me at least. It's reassuring to

764
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: know that there are like twelve different union leaders all

765
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: there in that room. Um, because they're all standing together.

766
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: I like to imagine that there's like one studio guy

767
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: who's just really scared. I think there's more than one. UM. Yeah.

768
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:29,760
Speaker 1: I mean the picture you're painting is pretty inspiring too,

769
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: of of how everybody is coming together and you know

770
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: the magnitude of what this would be as the first

771
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: you know, industry right wide strike from my ATSI, UM,

772
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: do you know have any timeline as to when they

773
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: think that they might start coming to some decisions? You know,

774
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: I don't know now that the contract has expired. It's

775
00:47:54,280 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: anybody's guests. They can keep extending negotiations. Um. But obviously

776
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 1: a strike authorization is also a big deal. So and

777
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of unions involved, so it might take

778
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: some time for that to even them. I don't think

779
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: we're going to strike like tomorrow, but um, maybe by

780
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: the time this airs will be on strike. Who knows. Yeah, Well,

781
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 1: do you have anything else to add that we should

782
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: know about this right now? Some other hot details, salacious tidbits,

783
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: trying there's there's just not that much goss um. Uh m,

784
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: you don't have to. This has also been wonderful. Um.

785
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 1: I'm personally looking forward to uh getting a scabby of

786
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: the rat costume and standing fox for twelve hours a day.

787
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: If this happens, I'll come help, I'll come. He have

788
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: bathroom breaks, yeah, at least you'll have something breaks, um, Olga,

789
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 1: it was really nice chatting with you. We are going

790
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 1: to be following this closely and maybe UM invite you

791
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: back in the future as this develops, and if you

792
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: felt comfortable and wanted to talk about it, um, and

793
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: go ahead and plug yourself online if you want for

794
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: our listeners. If they wanted to follow you for sure. Yeah,

795
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 1: you can find me on Twitter at at Ronaldo run

796
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:36,919
Speaker 1: dot com. No at want to read you that. Um, yeah,

797
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: you can find me on Twitter and at RONALDA. Runs.

798
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: Should you want any hot goss. I know by the way,

799
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,439
Speaker 1: you're just the negotiations and we're we're allowed to spit

800
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: out all the goths. So we'll circle back just for that,

801
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:59,720
Speaker 1: just for that. Um, alright, cool, thank you, thank you,

802
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 1: welcome at together everything, So don't don't can you olga

803
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: again for joining us? Keep keep on keeping on, keep

804
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: on holding back your labor hopefully. Actually, well are we

805
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 1: just running with that all right? Yeah? I mean, like

806
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: speaking of labor stuff, actually, um, uh in Portland starting

807
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: in like August ten was the uh was the Nibisco

808
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 1: strike that is still ongoing and it's spread to other cities.

809
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: Such a good point. That's that's still happening. Um. We

810
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: definitely should have talked about that by now. Yeah. It's

811
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,800
Speaker 1: it's I'm not sure if you have on the schorlarity,

812
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's the it's the it's the first major

813
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: strike since nineteen sixty nine for UM, specifically Nibbisco. UM.

814
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 1: It's spread to like four like five other major cities

815
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: started here in Portland. Um, you know, we got so cool.

816
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 1: The whole Danny, the whole Danny DeVito thing happened last

817
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: month with Twitter unverifying him after he's tweeted at support.

818
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: We've had you know, senators like Bernie Sanders, um, and

819
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:11,760
Speaker 1: you know a lot a lot of other people including

820
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: including Organs ones you know, support the strikers. Uh. Portland

821
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: police have come out and you know, taken away strikers.

822
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: Nibisco has hired like an armed security force to harass

823
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: and they've actually sort of attacking people who are striking. Um.

824
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 1: But this is a still ongoing thing, right, It's been

825
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: going on for almost Yeah, it's been going on for

826
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,240
Speaker 1: over a month now, UM, and we'll see what happened,

827
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: I think. Yeah, so very good to keep in mind.

828
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: I don't have it in front of me, but you

829
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: guys should look this up, uh, and just check out

830
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: all the different brands and companies owned Oreos a lot

831
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: Oreo chips, Ahoy, Ritz crackers, UM, A lot of a

832
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: lot of these snack foods are just like the just

833
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 1: like the Freed de Las thing from you know earlier

834
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 1: this year. A lot of these companies are the same company. Yeah,

835
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:08,240
Speaker 1: so do your due diligence. I'm really hungry and listing

836
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 1: off all these foods Katie. Also, don't eat, don't eat Newton's,

837
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: don't eat wheat. Things, don't eat tiskets, don't eat rice. Things,

838
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: don't eat bovida, don't eat time. You're making me, You're

839
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 1: making me so hungry. I have to saltine crack they own.

840
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: So it's a lot. Maybe this is maybe this is

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Speaker 1: part of all the same problems, just like supply chains,

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Speaker 1: of making all of these same things reliant on so

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Speaker 1: many different parts because all the same company and the

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Speaker 1: same problem. Anyways, walls come tumbling down, and walls come

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Speaker 1: tumbling and tumbling. I want Katie's energy today. It's infections. Anyways.

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Speaker 1: all right, okay, just kidding at Why Underscore, Sophie Underscore Why,

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Speaker 1: and Katie, you have a final song for us. Where's Katie?

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Speaker 1: What happened to Katie? You just put me on the spot. Um,

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Speaker 1: you put yourself in the spot for myself. Good Day Sunshine,

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Speaker 1: Good day Sunshine, Good day sunshine, Good day Sunshine. No,

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Speaker 1: you don't do it like that. You just say the

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Speaker 1: words okay, good day, okay, good day sunshine, good day Sunshine,

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