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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the whitetail woods, presented by first Light, creating proven versatile

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Speaker 1: hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind. First Light

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Speaker 1: Go farther, stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on

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Speaker 2: the show, I'm joined by my longtime co host Dan

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Speaker 2: Johnson to discuss the epiphanes, the tactical changes in the

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Speaker 2: philosophical shifts that have occurred for the both of us

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Speaker 2: as we have unexpectedly become middle aged hunters. All right,

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Speaker 2: welcome back to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to

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Speaker 2: you by First Light and their Camel for Conservation initiative.

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Speaker 3: A portion of every.

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Speaker 2: Sale of our specter camel pattern, which is the white

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Speaker 2: tail pattern for first Light, goes back to support the

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Speaker 2: National Deer Association. So great stuff. I appreciate first Light

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Speaker 2: doing that. And today's podcast is a fun one. It's

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Speaker 2: a different one in some ways, it's like many others.

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Speaker 2: In some ways it's different. I guess it's like many

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Speaker 2: others because my guest coming up here soon is the

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Speaker 2: one and only Dan Johnson. He co hosted this podcast

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Speaker 2: with me back when I started it in it was

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Speaker 2: either late twenty thirteen or early twenty fourteen. We did many,

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Speaker 2: many episodes together, shared a whole lot of laughs, a

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Speaker 2: whole lot of stories and experiences. So it's always fun

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Speaker 2: to bring Dan back on the show to catch up

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Speaker 2: on our hunting lives and what's going on during our

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Speaker 2: seasons or leading up to the season. So we're gonna

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Speaker 2: do a little bit that We're gonna talk IOWA, our

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Speaker 2: plans this year, some of that catch up, but more importantly,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna talk about an epiphany that I had recently.

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Speaker 2: And I'll explain this to Dan when he gets on,

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Speaker 2: because I am going to surprise Dan with his topic.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't know what he's getting into here.

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Speaker 2: But I recently realized that I started Wired to Hunt

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Speaker 2: back in two thousand and eight, and that is nearly

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Speaker 2: twenty years ago. It's like seventeen years ago, nearly two

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Speaker 2: decades ago. I started this thing. When I started this thing,

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Speaker 2: thee for Wired to Hunt was deer hunting for the

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Speaker 2: next generation. And I recently realized that I am not

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Speaker 2: the next generation anymore. I'm nearly forty years old. I

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Speaker 2: am technically a middle aged man now, a middle aged hunter.

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Speaker 2: What does that mean? What does that mean for you?

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Speaker 4: Know?

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Speaker 2: How I hunt, why I hunt, where I hunt, the

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Speaker 2: many choices that go into my decisions about tactics. There's

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Speaker 2: a lot of things we can unpack here, and I

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Speaker 2: got to think that there is an interesting discussion to

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Speaker 2: be had about these different stages of your hunting life,

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Speaker 2: and where Dan and I are right now is in

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Speaker 2: this kind of middle.

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Speaker 3: Aged hunter phase. It's weird to say.

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Speaker 2: For a long time, you know, I kind of looked

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Speaker 2: at myself as like one of the young guns, one

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Speaker 2: podcast thing. But now here I am not so much

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Speaker 3: What does that mean? What have I learned along the way?

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Speaker 2: Is? What has Dan learned along the way? How are

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Speaker 2: decisions changing? How is our approach to hunting changing?

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Speaker 3: How are our goals.

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Speaker 2: And expectations around hunting changing? There's a lot here, And

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Speaker 2: I imagine I'm not the only one who's going through this,

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Speaker 2: because if you began this journey with me at some point,

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Speaker 2: if you've been on this kind of roller coaster as

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Speaker 2: Wired to Hunt has grown and changed over the years,

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Speaker 2: maybe you two find yourself in a new stage as

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Speaker 2: a hunter. So whether you're eighteen years old and wondering

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Speaker 2: you're in your thirties or forties and you're in this

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Speaker 2: as a hunter in which you're realizing you're not that

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Speaker 2: young gun anymore. You've been around the block of it,

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Speaker 2: You've seen some stuff, you've done some stuff, priorities might

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Speaker 2: be changing. All of that is what Dan and I

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Speaker 2: discussed today. I think it's I think it's a conversation

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Speaker 2: worth having and maybe wrestling with yourself. It was at

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Speaker 3: Hope you guys enjoyed this one.

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Speaker 2: If it's relevant, I hope it inspires you to do

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Speaker 2: similar vote. So that's the plan for today, and without

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Speaker 2: any further beating around the bush, let's get to my

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Speaker 2: chat with Dan as we discuss the unexpected realization that we.

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Speaker 3: Are now middle aged hunters and what the heck that means.

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Speaker 2: All right here with me on the line is the

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Speaker 2: been by my side since the beginning the OG mister

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Speaker 2: Daniel Johnson Dan Wells at the show.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 5: It's crazy being called an OG because in the streets,

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Speaker 5: OG means the original gangster. I don't know if I've

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Speaker 3: Oh oh no, man, I remember you telling me some

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Speaker 3: of your stories from college. I think the name it fits.

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Speaker 3: I think the name fits.

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Speaker 2: O G.

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Speaker 3: How how the heck are you?

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Speaker 4: I'm good, man, you, I'm doing really good.

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Speaker 2: It's it's that time of year where you know, we're

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Speaker 2: trying to pack in all sorts of fun summer activities

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Speaker 2: of the family. But at the same time, I'm realizing

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Speaker 3: So I've got two levels of anxiety.

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Speaker 2: One anxiety is like, Okay, get as much great family

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Speaker 2: time as possible, and then the other anxiety is like

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Speaker 2: hunting seasons coming closer, hunting seasons coming closer, Get working,

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Speaker 3: So that's my world right now.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm gonna say I'm gonna throw you under the

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Speaker 5: bus instantly on this episode. And so when we when

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Speaker 5: I'm like, hey, Mark, how's it going. He's just like, oh, man,

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Speaker 5: I'm doing okay, just like, just like a hint of

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Speaker 5: depression in his voice. I'm like, oh my god. He's like, yeah,

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Speaker 5: I'm out here in Idaho, just like, oh God.

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Speaker 5: Like I'm like, oh, you're an Idaho, dude, You're an Idaho.

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Speaker 5: Oh I'm just out here hiking beautiful mountain trails all

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Speaker 5: day long. It's so hard doing what I'm doing right now.

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Speaker 5: Now I'm over exaggerating just a little bit.

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Speaker 2: But well, I've only slept in my own bed once

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Speaker 3: Dan the rest were on the ground. Tough.

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Speaker 5: Is it because is it because an earthquake destroyed your home?

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Speaker 5: Nose because you chose to do that. You're living the

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Speaker 4: Mark.

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna argue that although I

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Speaker 2: I will just say that I am fortunate got to

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Speaker 4: I can't. My kids want to go backpacking.

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Speaker 5: They want to go on some overnight stuff, and I

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Speaker 5: this stuff once baseball is over. But uh, like my

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Speaker 5: oldest boy, he's like, like, when can we go sleep

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Speaker 5: some sleeping bags. We can go do something fun like that.

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Speaker 5: So it's on the it's on the agenda.

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Speaker 2: That's it's it's so much fun, and it's it's the

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Speaker 3: When you're out there, like you don't need to say

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh and that's pretty cool. So uh so yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm doing the Idaho Summer thing. Fishing camp and

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Speaker 3: But I want to do a couple of things with you.

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Speaker 2: Damn yes, I do want to hear a little bit

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Speaker 2: about your summer white tail prep so far, what things

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Speaker 2: are looking, how things are looking for the summer, kind

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Speaker 2: of catch up on all that I did draw tag

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Speaker 2: this year for your home state. As you know, I

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Speaker 3: Surprise topic after that.

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Speaker 4: Oh boy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's something that's been on my mind recently,

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Speaker 5: I'm I'm I'm I'm a I'm a very blunt person

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Speaker 4: Oh, you can do anything, you can do anything.

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Speaker 5: And then I'm that dad's like, buddy, you're never gonna

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Speaker 4: Right, that's I'm not Yeah, let's be realistic.

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Speaker 5: I like, I like to bring the truth followed by

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Speaker 5: but if you work hard enough, anything good way to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, anything can happen.

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Speaker 2: I feel like that's a great way to approach your

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Speaker 2: hunting season, Dan. In most years, yeah, you're probably not

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Speaker 2: going to kill that booner you've had your eyes on

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Speaker 2: for the last four years, but you know, if.

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Speaker 4: You show up, you might just get get an opportunity.

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Speaker 3: Might just happen.

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Speaker 2: So, so speaking of what you know, it's it's July,

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Speaker 2: it's that time of year we're really starting to you know,

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Speaker 2: think trail cameras or summer scoutings beginning all that kind

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Speaker 2: where you've been to dive into that at home yet?

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Speaker 5: No, you're already regretting having me on as a guest

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Speaker 5: today because because you're like, hey, we're going to talk

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Speaker 5: about summer prep. Dan what's your summer prep And I go,

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Speaker 5: I have zero trail cameras out. I've done zero summer scouting.

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Speaker 5: The last time I was in the woods was in

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Speaker 5: March when I picked up a shed antler.

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Speaker 4: And that's it.

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Speaker 3: This is perfect for the surprise topic.

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Speaker 2: By the way, You're segueing perfectly to what we're going

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Speaker 2: to get to eventually. So this is because family, is

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Speaker 2: that right? Just family life and all other obligations.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I see wrestling two base kids in baseball,

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Speaker 5: my daughter's wrestling practices as well, and then on top

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Speaker 5: The second thing on that property is there's you know,

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Speaker 5: So I rattled him in this past year and he

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Speaker 4: He hit a scrape.

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Speaker 5: I snort wheezed him back in, but he never came

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Speaker 5: And then if the guy that I share the property

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and my.

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Speaker 5: Guess is now we're looking at three four, five six,

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Speaker 4: And so all I gotta do is wait.

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Speaker 3: Well, even if he even if he just goes funky again.

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Speaker 2: A really big bodied, old funky buck like that would

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Actually I had a deer two seasons ago.

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Speaker 5: I'll tell you this, man, there's something about a no

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's awesome. To have encounters with those types

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Speaker 2: That's the thing now that that gets me the most excited.

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Speaker 5: Patients are greater like they don't they don't make mistakes

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Speaker 3: That's exciting. I've got, like I said, the Iowa tag myself.

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Speaker 2: And my plan there is doing the opposite of what

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Speaker 3: I haven't got to tag there in like four years

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Speaker 2: It's been a while, but last time around I was there,

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Speaker 2: And so I was like hunting my tail off NonStop hour,

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Speaker 3: And yeah, this time I'm not doing that.

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Speaker 2: This time I'm embracing the hunting, like the camaraderie side

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna come in sometimes and do lunch for the guys.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna stay out and go to dinner afterwards, have

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's my plan.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Mark, once you learn that deer do

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Speaker 4: That's just what I.

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Speaker 2: You know, I I know there's a lot of like

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Speaker 2: So I'm starting to see your way of looking at

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Speaker 4: It just tells me you're getting old. That's all it

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Speaker 2: So I think this is a perfect segue to what

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Speaker 4: Not anymore.

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Speaker 2: And that was a little bit of a slap in

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Speaker 2: How I do it, why I do it, when I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I was kind of thinking about that and

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Speaker 2: you or did you ever have an epiphany where you

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Speaker 2: You are not one of the kids anymore. You are

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Speaker 3: I ever have you thought about that?

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Speaker 5: It's crazy because I still talk to the majority of

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Speaker 5: was working in a like part of my time was

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00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,960
Speaker 5: in a factory in my late twenties. The other part

443
00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,880
Speaker 5: was I'm always a landscaper and maybe a bounced around

444
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 5: between a couple jobs at that point, and deer hunting

445
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:10,440
Speaker 5: was my priority. So I was hunting like forty days

446
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,360
Speaker 5: of the year, right, just I was in every afternoon.

447
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 5: I was trying to be in every morning. Every weekend

448
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 5: was morning and afternoon Sunday.

449
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:20,640
Speaker 4: Same thing.

450
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:25,120
Speaker 5: Like I was in the woods all the time. And

451
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:32,959
Speaker 5: now I just envisioned me doing that makes me tired,

452
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 5: and so I'm just like, uh, nope, Like it's too hot, Okay,

453
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna hunt up, it's too windy, Okay, well

454
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:48,399
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna hunt. I just I I have way

455
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 5: different priorities now than I did twenty years ago. Right, My,

456
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 5: My my priority now is family is coaching? Is like

457
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,959
Speaker 5: I the thing that I realize going through on this

458
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 5: middle aged journey that I'm in right now, there's positive

459
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 5: thoughts and there's negative thoughts that come with like being

460
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 5: going through your midlife crisis.

461
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 4: Do you feel like you're in the midlife crisis mode

462
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 4: right now?

463
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 2: I'm not in midlife crisis, but I'm in the oh

464
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 2: my gosh, Okay, it doesn't feel like a crisis, but

465
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,400
Speaker 2: it feels like, holy shit, how did I get here?

466
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 2: Like this went so fast? Right, So this is like

467
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 2: the realization phase.

468
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 5: Exactly exactly, And I think I hit that a couple

469
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 5: of years ago where I'm just like, like, I just

470
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 5: don't care as much as I used to, and I'm

471
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 5: talking about like, I still get fired up about deer hunting.

472
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 5: Now it's less about me going out and trying to

473
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,360
Speaker 5: kill a big buck and more about who I'm actually

474
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 5: with that I care about. And if my boy, let's

475
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 5: say it's late October, temp drop comes through and I'm like, dude,

476
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 5: this is the best day, and my son goes, hey, Dad,

477
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 5: can we go fishing. I'm going fishing, dude, Like I

478
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 5: just I love I love everything so much. And as

479
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 5: someone in my this in our space, I think we're

480
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 5: supposed to be really extremely fired up about it all

481
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 5: the time. But that is for that younger generation to

482
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 5: do now. For me, the focus is balance and expansion

483
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 5: of what it means to be an outdoorsman and my

484
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 5: job right now, and what I mean expanding is expanding

485
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 5: my kids passion for the outdoors through hunting and fishing,

486
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 5: and then also me doing things that I normally don't

487
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 5: get to do here in Iowa, and that would be

488
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 5: like additional species, like really focusing on mule deer and

489
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 5: elk and antelope as of right now, and then hopefully

490
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 5: in a handful of years I can expand into my

491
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 5: dream hunts like moose and caribou and things like that.

492
00:24:55,000 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 5: So it's just a different it's different ways of spending

493
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 5: the time that I have, yeah, has changed.

494
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 2: So I've wrestled with all those exact same things, and

495
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 2: and you know, changing priorities and wanting to balance more

496
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 2: with the family, and the growing obligations and desires that

497
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 2: you have on that side too, So all of that

498
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 2: might take you out of the field or have you

499
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,199
Speaker 2: doing less of like the extreme stuff, right, And so

500
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 2: I've felt that desire sometimes. But then also on the

501
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 2: flip side, I was talking with someone earlier this spring,

502
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 2: and they brought up an interesting thing that they keep

503
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 2: in mind a lot, and that I hadn't really thought about,

504
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 2: but all of a sudden like hit me. They said, like,

505
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 2: when it comes to some of these like extreme things,

506
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 2: or like the big lifeless trips, or like the more

507
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 2: physically challenging things like going up and doing a mountain,

508
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 2: you know, black tail hunt in Alaska, or a caribou hunt,

509
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 2: or el conn in Colorado or whatever.

510
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, they said that.

511
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 2: You know, if you have the physical ability and and

512
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 2: and the resources to do it right now, you should

513
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 2: feel obligated to do it because that might not be

514
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 2: available in ten years, that might not be possible in

515
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 2: fifteen years. So if you if you've been given the

516
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 2: grace of God to physically be able to do that

517
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 2: right now, to have that opportunity right now, it would

518
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 2: almost be a disservice to your kids if you didn't

519
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 2: do those some of those things when you could and

520
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 2: showcase that and have those experiences and bring those stories

521
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 2: back and you know, again kind of getting to the Yeah,

522
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 2: you never know what's going to come down the line,

523
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 2: and you know, one day you're forty and the next

524
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 2: day you're fifteen and you got a bad knee or

525
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 2: whatever it is.

526
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 3: So I thought about that too. Does that ever cross

527
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 3: your mind?

528
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 5: Man, I'll just I'll be completely honest with you about

529
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 5: where I'm at. Yes, I think about those things. But

530
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 5: if you're asking me as an average joe, right, and

531
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 5: I consider myself an average joe from maybe the amount

532
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 5: of money that I make in a given year, and

533
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 5: so if you're asking me to go do a once

534
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 5: in a lifetime trip where I am spending ten grand

535
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 5: on like a big hunt, like I don't know, and

536
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 5: some of these hunts are not even close to ten grand,

537
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 5: but a big hunt like that, and I have to

538
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 5: take money away from the family to do that because

539
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 5: ultimately that's what I'm doing and maybe which would open

540
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 5: up some different opportunities for them. Then I have to think,

541
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 5: like what is more important At that point, I have

542
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 5: to weigh some things. And I'm into the stage of

543
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 5: my life where the teeter totter is always tilted towards

544
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 5: my kids right now, Like literally, they are my favorite

545
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 5: people to hang out with. I just I mean, they

546
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 5: fight all the time, and they piss me off almost

547
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 5: on a daily basis. But when we can have when

548
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 5: we sit there and we go fishing or just hanging

549
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 5: out doing like throwing rocks in a river like that

550
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 5: is where I want to be right now. I don't

551
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 5: want to miss I mean, because what happens is you

552
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,360
Speaker 5: get these little Facebook memories that pop up and it's

553
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 5: you and your baby daughter and you're holding your and

554
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 5: you're just like, holy shit, I have three kids now

555
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 5: and she's twelve, Like I blinked, and I have grown

556
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 5: up kids. Now and well, I mean seven is my youngest,

557
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 5: but you know what I mean, They're not babies and

558
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 5: toddlers anymore, and so I feel like I just want

559
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 5: to stay with them and do this and then take

560
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 5: care of my body so that long term, when they're

561
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 5: out of the house or they don't want to be

562
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,719
Speaker 5: around dad anymore, then I can go and I can

563
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,239
Speaker 5: be like, yeah, I'm fifty five when I'm doing in

564
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 5: ten years, Let's say I'm fifty five years old. Now

565
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 5: I can focus on the checking the boxes, and yes,

566
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 5: it might be more money then, but also I'm spending

567
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 5: less money because I have three less kids.

568
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 4: In the house. So you know, like I don't know,

569
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 4: there's multiple ways to look at it.

570
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, oh for sure.

571
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 2: I camera if I had talked about this, this like

572
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 2: little statistic I discovered with you when we did our

573
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 2: last kind of like raising Outdoor Kids podcast a year

574
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 2: or two ago. But when I heard this, and I'll

575
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 2: just I'll stay it again just in case I didn't.

576
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 2: The average American supposedly eighty percent of the time they

577
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 2: get with their kids over the course of their entire

578
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 2: life happens before their child is eighteen. So for most

579
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 2: of us we have between now and when our kid

580
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 2: turns eighteen to have experienced eighty percent of all the

581
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 2: time we're going to get with them. Like when I

582
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 2: heard that, it just blew my mind and realized, like,

583
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 2: oh no, like so much of the life experience I'm

584
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 2: going to have with this child is going to happen,

585
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 2: you know, right now and over the next eight years

586
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 2: or next ten years. That just, for some reason made

587
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 2: it so much more concrete and so much more real

588
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 2: the importance of what you just just said, Like soak

589
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 2: in every moment of these short years, because they do

590
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 2: go so fast.

591
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 3: It it's so cliche.

592
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 2: And if I'm like a twenty I don't think a

593
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 2: twenty two year old is going to listen to this

594
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 2: podcast today because of the title.

595
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 3: I'm gonna put on it.

596
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: But if for some reason the twenty two year old,

597
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 2: it's very forward thinking, decided to listen to this podcast,

598
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 2: they're probably rolling their eyes about how cliche this is,

599
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 2: and YadA, YadA, YadA, because that's exactly what I.

600
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 3: Thought when I was twenty two.

601
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 2: Yep, but it's all true. All the stuff they told

602
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 2: us back then is true. It goes by so quick

603
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 2: it's a blink. I mean I remember coming on the podcast.

604
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 2: I was sitting in my truck next to the Yellowstone

605
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 2: River recording a podcast with you. I'm sitting in the

606
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 2: front seat, computers on like the center console, and I

607
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 2: was like, Dan, I gotta tell you something.

608
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 3: We're having a kid.

609
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now my son is is you know, approaching

610
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 2: eight years old?

611
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it seems like that was yesterday.

612
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, yeah, yep, yep.

613
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 5: Thank thank God for some of these memories, like the

614
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 5: pictures and the Facebook memories that pop up and things

615
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 5: like that.

616
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 4: It does allow me to slow down and just be like, ah,

617
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 4: lady man, it's like you don't get time only goes

618
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 4: in one direction, and you have to I just want

619
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 4: to be there. I want to be there with them

620
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 4: all the time for everything.

621
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 5: And I say that with an asterisk, because they got

622
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 5: to go experience some stuff on their own at some point.

623
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 5: But like for me selfishly, I want to be there

624
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 5: with them because Dad is only cool right now and

625
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 5: here in you know, five five years, for my youngest

626
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 5: then dad's not as cool. Right my daughter, she's already

627
00:31:53,600 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 5: branching out into this different life as a young Yair

628
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 5: she's not even a woman yet, but I mean she

629
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 5: acts like it, and so you see this, But she

630
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 5: still wants to go turkey hunting with me, and she

631
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 5: wants to go deer hunting with me. And so as

632
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 5: long as I have that, I am going to hang

633
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 5: on to that as long as I possibly can, and

634
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 5: I will sacrifice any once in a lifetime.

635
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 3: Trip for that.

636
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

637
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 2: So so so where I want to kind of spend

638
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: the rest of our time was exploring this kind of thing,

639
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 2: all the different ways that this like stage of our lives,

640
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 2: like becoming a middle aged hunter, how that impacts our

641
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 2: hunting life, our choices, the way we look at things,

642
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 2: the way we do things. And I think, you know,

643
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 2: one of the things for me is exactly what you've

644
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 2: been talking about and that I've been talking about, which

645
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 2: is like the people you're around matter so much more

646
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 2: than the other things used to be. Like you, you know,

647
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 2: back in twenty fourteen when we started the podcast, you

648
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 2: and I were just talking about this big buck and

649
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 2: that big buck and this booner and all that, and

650
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 2: and you know what do we talk about when we're

651
00:32:58,440 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 2: talking about our upcoming season?

652
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 3: It was much more this time.

653
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 2: Around or you know who we're going to be around,

654
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 2: and you know they're hunting buddies and you know, experience

655
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 2: versus antlers and ninches, right right, I want to make

656
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 2: sure I'm prioritizing more time, you know, hunting with my

657
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 2: dad or getting my sons with my dad. Those kinds

658
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 2: of things matter so much more now. Yeah, and I think,

659
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 2: you know, again back to cliches, but you go with

660
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: the standard stages that everyone talks about. Right there was

661
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 2: like the stage when you're just getting start and you're

662
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 2: trying to figure out, how do I get anything, how

663
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 2: do I hunt at all?

664
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 3: How do I kill anything?

665
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 2: And then you figure it out and then you want

666
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 2: to shoot a bunch of stuff, and then you then

667
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 2: move to the next one. We're like, okay, now I

668
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 2: want to get a big one maybe or a bigger one.

669
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 2: And then you got I'm gonna be like a trophy

670
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 2: on around only get like the big giant, the.

671
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 3: One single whatever.

672
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 2: And then you slowly start kind of coming down the

673
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 2: bell curve, which is I guess where we are now,

674
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 2: where it's much more about, Hey, I want to be

675
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 2: around people I care about, have you know, experiences that

676
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 2: matter for bigger reasons. Than just a tag of antlers

677
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,719
Speaker 2: on the wall. And then I think what also, I've

678
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,479
Speaker 2: been thinking a lot more about too, And this is

679
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 2: maybe a slight transition, but and maybe I'm not old

680
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 2: enough to be thinking about this, but I am.

681
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 3: I'm an old soul maybe.

682
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 2: But already thinking about like legacy, Like what am I

683
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 2: passing out to the kids? What am I teaching the

684
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 2: kids are what are my kids or people i'm around

685
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 2: going to remember about how we did things or you know,

686
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 2: stuff like that. Just thinking more about the future, Like

687
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 2: my I think kids force this, force you to do this.

688
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 3: Your Yeah, your.

689
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 2: View changes, like the aperture you looked at the world

690
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 2: that like when it was just me, it was just like,

691
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 2: well what am I doing tomorrow or next week or

692
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 2: next month? And now it's like I care about what's

693
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,919
Speaker 2: going to happen in forty years. Yeah, I'm not gonna

694
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 2: be around, probably, but I know my kids will be.

695
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,720
Speaker 2: And so you're thinking about like the future of hunting

696
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 2: or the future of deer or the future of public

697
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 2: lands so much more now. Yeah, that's been a big

698
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:50,280
Speaker 2: thing for me lately.

699
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

700
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's table that public land talk for just a second.

701
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,439
Speaker 4: Well, I sort of explore this one.

702
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 5: Like the outdoors to me, me is just a vessel

703
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 5: really for the kids, like my legacy, I want to

704
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 5: be like I want my kids to tell their kids,

705
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 5: or my grandkids to tell their kids who will probably

706
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 5: never meet, right and just be like, dude, my grandpa

707
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 5: was an awesome son of a gun, right, or or

708
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 5: I want my kids to tell their kids like the

709
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 5: way that I talk about my grandparents, like dude, I

710
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 5: loved them, they were awesome, Like my dad is a

711
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 5: great guy.

712
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 4: My mom is a big heart. She's very caring, Like

713
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 4: I want my.

714
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 5: Kids to talk about to other people about me, Like ultimately,

715
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 5: that's really what it is. And it's like, never lose

716
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:50,720
Speaker 5: the memory of Dad, or never lose the memory of grandpa, right.

717
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 4: Because that's true legacy. It's just that the outdoors is

718
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 4: a delivery for people to be the best versions of

719
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 4: themselves so that legacies can be made at that point.

720
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 4: And so that's where I spend a lot of time

721
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 4: with my kids, is the fishing and the hunting and

722
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 4: the outdoors and stuff. And even if it's.

723
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 5: Just outside, right, or just in the treehouse in the

724
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 5: backyard or whatever, it's just it's a place where the

725
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 5: true me gets to come out and the kids are

726
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 5: able to see, Like, dude, the outdoors is where it's that. Man,

727
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 5: my dad's so happy in outdoors. I'm so happy in

728
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 5: the outdoors. And once you like find a true happiness

729
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 5: in this state of nature whatever, that that's different for everybody.

730
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 5: I really do think that that's that's where legacies are made, dude.

731
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 4: And if you're able to accomplish.

732
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:50,240
Speaker 5: Some some extra things fighting for public land or teaching

733
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 5: someone who's maybe less fortunate than you or doesn't have

734
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 5: a dad or something like that to also hunt and fish, man,

735
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 5: that's the cherry on top.

736
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 2: Thank yeah, kind of expanding on something you brought up there.

737
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 2: You know, the outdoors is a vessel for many different things,

738
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 2: and it's also aus a tremendous u training ground for life.

739
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 2: And so now now now as a father, you know,

740
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 2: I'm seeing like so many opportunities for passing on really

741
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 2: important life lessons in this like microcosm of the world

742
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,720
Speaker 2: which is the outdoors. So going back to where we started,

743
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 2: we're backpacking this weekend, and I knew this was going

744
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 2: to be a challenge. It was like their most challenging

745
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 2: you know, outdoor expedition we've done with the two boys yet,

746
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 2: they're five and seven. They've backpacked for a number of

747
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 2: years now, but it's always relatively relatively you know, flat,

748
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 2: not too long. We've carried most of the weight for him.

749
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: This year, this weekend we did it was going to

750
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 2: be a three day, fifteen mile, two thousand plus feet

751
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 2: of elevation game trip, and both the boys got new backpacks.

752
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 2: So my seven year old has like a legit backpacking backpack.

753
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 3: That can carry some weight.

754
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 2: My five year old has a big day path that

755
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 2: he was going to carry some food and clothes and

756
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 2: the camel back and stuff. So like they were going

757
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 2: to be carrying more of the burdens. So coming into

758
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 2: I was like, hey, just so you know, this is

759
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 2: going to be challenging. This is going to be tough.

760
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 2: And so I was like mentally preparing them for like

761
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 2: this is going to be some type too fun and

762
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 2: we're going to work through it together and it's gonna

763
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 2: be amazing. But we're going to come into this knowing

764
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 2: like we're gonna have to we're gona have to push

765
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 2: through some hurdles and and what was so cool is

766
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 2: like all that absolutely happened, and at one point on

767
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 2: the last day that first off, they did amazing throughout

768
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 2: all that. We get to the last day and you know,

769
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 2: we've hiked fourteen miles so far, and everything's wearing on

770
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:41,280
Speaker 2: the kids and they're definitely exhausted. And I remember thinking

771
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 2: to myself, like, you just got to keep like their

772
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 2: mind on some other thing, right, So I brought this

773
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 2: idea of the pain cave.

774
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 3: Have you ever heard of the pain cave?

775
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 4: I have not.

776
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 2: It's it's like a thing in like the running world,

777
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 2: or like the ultra marathon or long distance hiking, all

778
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, like where you're you know, physically

779
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 2: exerting yourself for hours, an hour and hours, you know,

780
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 2: dozens and dozens of miles and eventually you can get

781
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 2: to a point where you enter the pain cave and

782
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 2: you are just like everything hurts, you know, It's like

783
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 2: where you're at your lowest point and you think you

784
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 2: want to quit. And the kind of one of the

785
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 2: secrets to making it through the pain cave is not

786
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 2: to like bemoan the pain cave. It's not to you know,

787
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 2: feel sorry about yourself because you're in the pain cave.

788
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 2: It's to embrace it and recognize, all right, man, like

789
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 2: we're here. This is the moment when you like prove

790
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 2: your metal. This is what you push through and you

791
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 2: can kind of like embrace it, talk some smack to it,

792
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 2: work through it, whatever. And so I explain all this

793
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 2: to the boys as we're hiking, and so I kind

794
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 2: of this is the idea of the pain cave. And

795
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 2: so we might be in the pain cave right now,

796
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 2: but you know what do we always talk about? Why

797
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 2: do we do hard things that make you stronger? They

798
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 2: help you in the longer and you're going to grow

799
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 2: from it. Were in the pain cave right now, but

800
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: let's start start talking smack to the pan cave. So

801
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 2: my boys as we're hiking down the trail, they're carrying

802
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 2: heavy packs. They've been hiking fifteen miles in the mountains,

803
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 2: and my boys are, you know, going back.

804
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:58,919
Speaker 3: Hey, you know what, pain cave.

805
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 2: You're not going to stop because we're the Kenyans and

806
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 2: we don't give up and we're going to keep on working.

807
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 2: And so like my five year old and seven year

808
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 2: old are saying all this stuff like having fun with it,

809
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 2: talking smack. You know, there's physically exhausted.

810
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 3: Problem as they've ever been.

811
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 2: But they learned a little something and then by the

812
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 2: time they got we finished the hike, they're having fun.

813
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: They're like, oh man, that really works dead And I

814
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 2: just thought to it was what a great thing for

815
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 2: a seven year old or yeah, great lesson, a great

816
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 2: moment to realize how much stronger you are, how much

817
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 2: more capable you are, how much more resilient you are.

818
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 2: And I could never replicate that at home. I can

819
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 2: never replicate that with a reading them a story or

820
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 2: anything they would get in school. Yeah, and so many

821
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 2: things like in hunting or fishing, you know, can do

822
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 2: that kind of thing too. Yeah, creating, like fostering those

823
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 2: kinds of moments now are what matters so much more

824
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 2: to me now, whether it is with my kids or

825
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 2: you know, as you mentioned, introducing other people to these

826
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 2: pursuits that they can someday experience that.

827
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's the stuff that I'm really more and

828
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 3: more interested in.

829
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 5: How How far are you going to take the pain

830
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 5: cave on your kids? Like are you gonna be like

831
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 5: you're gonna let them go with Clay on a dog

832
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 5: on a black bear hunt where they're chasing bears into

833
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 5: caves and then have your son go in with a

834
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 5: knife and try to kill a bear with a knife.

835
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 2: There's definitely a fine there's a fine line you gotta

836
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:28,720
Speaker 2: walk for sure.

837
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe we'll ease into that.

838
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 2: Yes, we will ease into the Yeah. But but yeah, man,

839
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's been. It's been such a wonderful thing,

840
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 2: wonderful thing for our family to be able to kind

841
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 2: of and when you see your kids grow like that,

842
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 2: like you grow too, and your kids teach you so

843
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 2: much about life in these moments, and so yeah, as

844
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 2: a middle aged hunter now, I'm seeking out opportunities like that. Yeah,

845
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 2: when I'm looking at my calendar for this coming year,

846
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 2: it's much less about killing a target buck and much

847
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 2: more about, Okay, how do I maximize time with the

848
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,439
Speaker 2: kids and the family. How do I if I'm doing

849
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 2: something outside of that, how do I make sure it's

850
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 2: like just a general experience that's really special or place

851
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 2: that's really special. Because in the end, you know, like

852
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 2: the moment, like if you're targeting some big giant buck,

853
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 2: the moments that you actually have with that big giant

854
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 2: buck are like fleeting, Yep, you kill this big giant buck.

855
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 2: You feel great for a couple of minutes, and then

856
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 2: he got to get this done, get this done, get

857
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 2: this done, get this done. And then before you know what,

858
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 2: the buck's cut up, and then the freezer and the

859
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 2: antlers are at the taxi ermist and you're sitting there thinking, Man,

860
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 2: this thing I obsessed about for twelve months or whatever happened, Like,

861
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 2: now what? And I'm not saying that that's not still

862
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 2: fun to pursue and cool to have tough goals, but

863
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 2: I am realizing now like there's so much more than that.

864
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 5: Well, I think the other way to look at that

865
00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 5: is the amount of work it takes for those types

866
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 5: of moments. Right, those moments are special because they are rare.

867
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 5: And I don't mean just moments with big bucks and

868
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 5: killing a deer. I'm talking about moments with the family,

869
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 5: the true moments where you've worked all year round. Now

870
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 5: it's time to go do something special with them. And

871
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 5: whether that's a vacation or maybe just a weekend fishing

872
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 5: trip or whatever it is.

873
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 4: Right, it's the moment.

874
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 5: The moments like that are so special because they're rare,

875
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 5: because if you lived your life like that, you'd be

876
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 5: extremely lucky and probably wealthy to be able to afford

877
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 5: to do those types of things. But it's all the

878
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 5: hard work that goes into the kill or the moment

879
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 5: where you're like the other day, I'm gonna try not

880
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 5: to get emotional here, but this is something my oldest

881
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 5: boy said to me. And he goes, we were fishing,

882
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:58,919
Speaker 5: we just got done fishing for the night, so it's

883
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 5: getting dark, or drive through the countryside coming back from

884
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 5: the pond of the house and he goes, Dad, do you.

885
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 4: Wish you were older or do you wish you were younger?

886
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 5: And I said, buddy, I just wish I'm just happy

887
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 5: that I'm this age right now.

888
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 4: I'm happy.

889
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 5: And he goes, Dad, I wish you were younger so

890
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 5: I could spend more time with you. And I'm just like,

891
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 5: holy shit, right like it it's those types of things,

892
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 5: and I'm just like blown away that my kid had

893
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,760
Speaker 5: the brain power to think of something like that first

894
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 5: and foremost. But then that also tells me that he

895
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 5: that he loves me and that he loves doing these

896
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 5: things with me. So when I get that dopamine hit

897
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 5: of my kid telling me that I don't want to

898
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 5: do that shit, as much as I possibly can with him,

899
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 5: you know what I mean? And so I don't know. Man,

900
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 5: that's that's that's kind of where I'm at.

901
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 3: That's the good stuff. That's the good, the good stuff.

902
00:44:58,680 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

903
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 2: So being a middle aged hunter I think has changed

904
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 2: our goals. I think it's changed the way we plan

905
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 2: our year. I think it's changed how we spend our time.

906
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 2: I'm curious though, kind of shifting gears a little bit here.

907
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 2: Has it changed how you hunt more like tactically or philosophically.

908
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 2: Has your approach to hunting changed if you were just

909
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 2: if you were to look at you know, Dan Johnson

910
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 2: at twenty six, twenty eight thirty, when you were balls

911
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 2: to the wall versus Dan Johnson, middle aged old man

912
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 2: hunter that we are today, how has that affect you strategically?

913
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 5: The most thing, I'll say this, and I don't mean

914
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 5: this to be arrogant, but because I've made you know,

915
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 5: I make mistakes every year, just like everybody does. But

916
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 5: if I find you and you're a big buck dude

917
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 5: like I'm, I am taking all of my experience, I'm

918
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 5: taking all of my knowledge and I'm pointing it in

919
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 5: one and that's your vitals right, And so I would

920
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 5: say that I am more dangerous now as a hunter

921
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 5: than I was ten years ago, you know, when I

922
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 5: was thirty five, and even more now than I was

923
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 5: at twenty five, and I was able to have as

924
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:24,240
Speaker 5: much freedom because knowledge is power, experiences power, and I'm

925
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 5: just doubling down on all of the things that have

926
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 5: worked for me throughout the course of my life. And

927
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 5: I'm telling you right now like I'm I don't want

928
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 5: to say like I'm not the best, because I don't

929
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 5: know how you quantify that, but I'm really good at

930
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 5: getting in close to big deer and that has taken

931
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 5: me several years to get to that point. But now

932
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 5: with an attitude where Okay, I'm weighing being here in

933
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 5: this tree stand against what all the things that we

934
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 5: just talked about. So I have to be much more

935
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 5: intentional in my drive, in my decision making on where

936
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 5: I'm going to be, how I'm going to get that

937
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 5: because I'm hunting less now than I ever have before.

938
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 5: And so now I'm kit when I go into kill mode,

939
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 5: it's kill mode, it's blinders on, it's I'm going in

940
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 5: to the best stands. I'm not waiting around I'm using

941
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,240
Speaker 5: all of the knowledge I have on terrain features, access routes,

942
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 5: wind direction, and I'm putting it to use immediately now

943
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 5: as opposed to you know, all those years ago.

944
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 2: What's like the most high impact lever you have to

945
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 2: allow you to do that? Like, like you mentioned, a

946
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 2: bunch of different things, a bunch of different types of

947
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 2: knowledge or approaches that allow you to be more effective

948
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:44,439
Speaker 2: with less time.

949
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 3: But like, what's that highest leverage point.

950
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 2: What's the thing that because you now understand like more

951
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 2: than you did fifteen twenty years ago, that allows you

952
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 2: to do that? Could you put your finger on the

953
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 2: the most important of those shifts?

954
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 5: I think that we and you all the old like

955
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 5: the older guys talk about it, we give them too

956
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 5: much credit.

957
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 4: Right, they are in there for a reason.

958
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 5: And unless you jump out of a bush and scare

959
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 5: the ship out of them and they run to the

960
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 5: next county, they're not gonna go. They're not disappearing, right,

961
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 5: They're gonna go somewhere else that's relatively close. And I

962
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 5: will I will go back to a quote that Jim

963
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,720
Speaker 5: Shockey it might have even been on this podcast several

964
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 5: years ago, where he talks about a body of water

965
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 5: like a pond, as.

966
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 3: Like did he did?

967
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 4: He did not rake the pond. He did not rake

968
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 4: the pond.

969
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 3: Sorry to derail.

970
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 4: You, oh man. That was a that was a good

971
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 4: episode anybody.

972
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 3: Speaking of a great wired un episodes.

973
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 5: But Jim Shockey goes, hey, I got this pond, and

974
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 5: when I throw a big rock into this pond, it

975
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 5: creates ripples. And sometimes the ripples get big and they

976
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 5: cry the shore and then over time those ripples go

977
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:08,919
Speaker 5: away and the pond comes back to calm again. Right,

978
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 5: And so that has kind of stuck with me about pressure.

979
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:17,399
Speaker 5: If you are a small pebble going into a farm

980
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 5: or a body of water, and you just have so

981
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 5: like you have your access routes planned out, you have

982
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,399
Speaker 5: your exit routes planned out. You know what you're doing

983
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,240
Speaker 5: on the wind directions, the thermals, how do you behave

984
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 5: in certain types of year, like how they traverse the landscape,

985
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 5: all that stuff, and you know these things, then your

986
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 5: impact on that farm is way less and you can

987
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 5: hunt specific stand locations way more times than you can

988
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 5: if you just walk straight line through a field, right

989
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 5: through a bedding area to get to a stand that's

990
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 5: in a good terrain feature like it has clicked for

991
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 5: me so long ago now that I'm able to know,

992
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 5: all right, well, it's cloudy outside, but I have a

993
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 5: south wind. It's cloudy outside, so my thermals aren't gonna rise,

994
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 5: They're gonna sink because of the clouds.

995
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 4: So I don't want to be in this stand. I

996
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 4: want to be in this stand. And so now all

997
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 4: of these things that I've learned throughout the years from

998
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 4: a strategic standpoint, it like I think, honestly, what it

999
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 4: comes down to, mark is the decision making process is

1000
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 4: so much faster now than it was then. I just

1001
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 4: skip to the I do way less thinking about it,

1002
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 4: and I skip to the yes or no. Yes I'm

1003
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 4: gonna hunt this, No I'm not.

1004
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 5: Gonna hunt this. Yes I am gonna hunt today. No

1005
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,240
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna hunt today. And when when it becomes.

1006
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 4: Binary, then it's so much easier to think and make

1007
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 4: decisions on on where you hunt and what strategies you

1008
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 4: should or should not implement.

1009
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 2: What comes to mind is you're saying that, and something

1010
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,720
Speaker 2: I think is true for me too, is that old

1011
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 2: line when it comes to like carpentry or something, is

1012
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 2: you know, measure twice, cut once. Yep, there's something to

1013
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 2: be said about you know, a lot of this is

1014
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 2: hunting smarter, not necessarily harder. You know, I used to

1015
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 2: take the brute force approach, and now it's much more

1016
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 2: of this. You know, you've we have so much experience

1017
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 2: in data points and you know, past experiences to look

1018
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 2: back on that will allow you to be you know,

1019
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 2: sometimes you know, don't give the deer too much credit,

1020
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 2: punch right in there, be aggressive, but you're doing it

1021
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 2: in a smart way. And then other times, just knowing

1022
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 2: it's this isn't the time to do it. I could

1023
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 2: hunt seven days straight and just make things worse. Maybe

1024
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 2: I should just hunt four days or three days on

1025
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 2: the right moments or in the right places or in

1026
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 2: the right ways or whatever. It is, so much more

1027
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 2: of that is how I approach hunting now too. And

1028
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 2: then and then all of that then balancing back to

1029
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 2: what we talked about, because because we're focusing on other

1030
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 2: things than just this is not only making us more

1031
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 2: effective as hunters, but it's making us better husbands or

1032
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 2: fathers or people, which is a big part of all

1033
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 2: that too. Now, the flip set of all that, a

1034
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:15,879
Speaker 2: lot of what you said resonates with me. But I've

1035
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 2: also had another kind of epiphany as I've gotten up

1036
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 2: there an age, which is I've also discovered.

1037
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 3: A new found humility.

1038
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 2: Maybe or I'm alleviating expectations I placed on myself a

1039
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 2: little bit, because I got to a point, maybe in

1040
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 2: my early thirties, where I thought, like, I know what

1041
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 2: I'm doing, Like I've got this shit figured out. I've

1042
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 2: got I know what I should be doing, I know

1043
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 2: the right move, I know what to do, when to

1044
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 2: do it, where to be, and then the deer don't cooperate,

1045
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 2: or something crazy happens, or you know, the neighbor does something,

1046
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 2: and then you you know, I would be beating myself

1047
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 2: up or upset about it or stressing about And what

1048
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 2: I've kind of gotten to now is realizing that you

1049
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 2: can do everything right all the time and it still

1050
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 2: doesn't happen right because there's so many outside so many

1051
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 2: outside variables. These are wild animals, we're in wild places

1052
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 2: or or not so wild places, with invariables like people

1053
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 2: and all.

1054
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:10,919
Speaker 3: Sorts of crazy things.

1055
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 2: So I've also gotten to a point now where I

1056
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 2: hunt smarter, maybe not harder, I have more confidence, but

1057
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 2: at the same time, I'm also much more quick or

1058
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 2: much faster to forgive myself or to say ah, oh

1059
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 2: well than I used to be, because I've kind of

1060
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:28,959
Speaker 2: gotten to the point now where I've I've i haven't

1061
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 2: seen it all, but I've seen a lot.

1062
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 3: I've seen things go sideways in so many.

1063
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 2: Different ways that I that I've had to learn to

1064
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 2: like this is you know, some of like the cheesy

1065
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 2: self help stuff these days they talk about self compassion.

1066
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 3: I don't.

1067
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 2: I don't this is I'm not talking about self compassion,

1068
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 2: but whatever. The hunting version of that would be just

1069
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 2: like a little bit of like cutting yourself a little

1070
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 2: bit of slack, because like stuff just goes wrong sometimes too.

1071
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 2: And and I've found that that sometimes mentally as a hunter,

1072
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 2: is really important is to is to get yourself like

1073
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 2: give yourself a get out of jail free card every

1074
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 2: once in a while, because like, stuff's not always going

1075
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 2: to go the way you write it up. Stuff's not

1076
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 2: always gonna they're not gonna follow the script most of

1077
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 2: the time.

1078
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 3: They don't follow the script ninety nine percent of the time.

1079
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,439
Speaker 2: Even for the absolute single best hunter in the world, whoever,

1080
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 2: that is ninety nine percent of the time. It's not

1081
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 2: going right for them, right, yeah, so why should it

1082
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 2: be different for us?

1083
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 4: Yeah? Here's what I think.

1084
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,839
Speaker 5: The stuff that I think about is, or a big

1085
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 5: realization that I've kind of had, is you're not in control.

1086
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,720
Speaker 4: And when you're talking with mother nature, you're never in control.

1087
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1088
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 4: Right.

1089
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 5: You can do all of these things like our friends

1090
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 5: who manage thousands of acres and plant the food plots

1091
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 5: and do the hinge cutting, and they basically are growing

1092
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 5: deer on their property. Then you start getting closer to

1093
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 5: this this where you are in control, and sometimes it works.

1094
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 5: Most of the time it works, but there's still some

1095
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 5: times where it doesn't work. But for me, knowing that

1096
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 5: I'm not in control is part of the allure of

1097
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 5: what makes hunting so awesome because you go into an

1098
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 5: environment that you don't live in, right, that you haven't like.

1099
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 5: For me, I don't do any I did some hinge

1100
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 5: cutting this year for the first time ever. I don't

1101
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 5: have any food plots planted, and so when I go

1102
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 5: into an environment like that, it's me versus them. So

1103
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 5: there is a little bit of this challenge where I

1104
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 5: need to beat them. I need to get within thirty

1105
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 5: yards or so of them twenty yards would be awesome

1106
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 5: and get as close to them as humanly possible and

1107
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 5: play a game. It's like it's a game, but when

1108
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 5: after the game is over, whether you win or lose,

1109
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 5: you can't go home and pout about it. You just

1110
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 5: get back out there the next time and you learn

1111
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 5: from whatever it is you did. Like I'm not like,

1112
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 5: I'm way past Like why didn't this dear come in?

1113
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 4: What happened these probably with the dough dude, Like he's

1114
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 4: probably eating acorns and laying on his fat belly somewhere.

1115
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 4: There are so many things that we we are not

1116
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 4: in control of, and because we're greedy humans, we want

1117
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 4: to be in control of everything.

1118
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, and like this is nature, dude, we're not. And

1119
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 5: so like it's the hardest, it's the hardest thing to

1120
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 5: give up.

1121
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1122
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 2: I think that's like a thing that I have always

1123
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 2: struggled with because of my like innate personality traits. But

1124
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 2: I think the more I lean into like embracing that

1125
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 2: very thing that you just mentioned, embracing the fact that

1126
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 2: most nights it's not going to go they want to go, Yeah,

1127
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 2: and most hunts aren't going to end the way you

1128
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 2: wanted to. But but it all goes back to something

1129
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 2: we've talked about for years and years, Dan, But I

1130
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 2: feel like every year we're relearning it in some way.

1131
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:48,399
Speaker 2: It's it's embracing the process, embracing the journey and being

1132
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 2: less worried about the end outcome. Like I can never

1133
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:53,760
Speaker 2: remind myself of that enough, and I feel like I'm

1134
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 2: slowly and slowly getting there. But that's like one of

1135
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 2: the most important things. And like, as I'm reaching this

1136
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 2: new stag, like that's becoming ever more clear that again,

1137
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 2: percent of the time you spent you spend as a

1138
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 2: hunter is in the process. It's not actually in that

1139
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 2: final amazing moment. And so that that kind of brings

1140
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 2: back to another thing that I have found has become

1141
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 2: more and more important for me at this middle aged stage,

1142
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 2: which is that the how or the way I do

1143
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 2: it or the how I do it is more important

1144
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 2: than having done it or like having filled the tag

1145
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 2: or killed. So I'm I'm much more interested now, and

1146
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 2: you know, not saying I wouldn't. You know, Sometimes you

1147
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 2: just get a gift, like day one, a big deer

1148
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 2: shows up on a trip and you get it and.

1149
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 4: It's awesome, it's cool.

1150
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, But like I'm much more interested in going on

1151
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 2: a trip that is going to involve me, like doing

1152
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 2: something in a specific way that's really cool. Like I

1153
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 2: want to go to this place because I'm gonna have

1154
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 2: to float this river and hunt deer along the way,

1155
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 2: or I know I'm going to camp out on this

1156
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 2: grassy bluff for seven days and get to glass and

1157
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 2: get to wash deer from a long distance and get

1158
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 2: to spot and stalk or whatever the thing is. Or yeah,

1159
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 2: I'm more interested in getting dear close, like like my

1160
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 2: archery journey has been example of this. Like, yeah, I

1161
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 2: used to be like I want more opportunities. I want

1162
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 2: to be able to shoot farther. I want to just

1163
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 2: gives many chances of big buck as I possibly could.

1164
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 2: And that led to you know, bad outcomes or less

1165
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 2: than a deal outcomes, and YadA, YadA, YadA. It's led

1166
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 2: to me now where I'm like, man, I want to

1167
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,439
Speaker 2: get close to animals. I want to have as few

1168
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 2: bad things happen as possible. So I've actually had my

1169
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 2: rain shrink.

1170
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 3: Every year because I would rather have a.

1171
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 2: Few great experiences, perfect shots at thirty yards and in

1172
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 2: and and have great views and see cool things happen

1173
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 2: that they don't get a shot at, yep, versus flinging

1174
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 2: arrows at a distance and on a wish in a

1175
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 2: prayer and then having.

1176
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 3: Horrible weeks or days because of it.

1177
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1178
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, Or I want to you know, I want to

1179
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,439
Speaker 2: bowl hunt more than I want to do like seven

1180
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 2: hundred yard long distance gun shots or yeah.

1181
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 3: Whatever.

1182
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 2: It is, like my my decisions around, like the gear

1183
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 2: I use and the ways I hunt or the wear

1184
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:05,439
Speaker 2: I hunt, all of that is becoming more important than

1185
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 2: like how many deer I kill it here.

1186
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm in a little bit different more

1187
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 5: of a different boat. Like I really do feel that

1188
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 5: the number of deer I kill is the what I

1189
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 5: am what I quantify success as now in a way,

1190
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 5: in a weird way though, because I was talking to

1191
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 5: this with another guy a while ago, and I think,

1192
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 5: I go, you know, what's badass is opening up your

1193
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 5: freezer door and having it be filled with animals that

1194
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 5: you shot with a bow and arrow that feed fame.

1195
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 5: So I'm not talking about antlers at all at this point.

1196
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 5: I'm talking about shooting a dough this fall for one

1197
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 5: reason only, and that's to turn her into breakfast sausage

1198
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 5: because my kids love breakfast sausage, right, and with it like.

1199
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so I am.

1200
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 5: I am looking for a little bit of quantity at

1201
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 5: this point, because filling tags is awesome, right, But there's

1202
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 5: also the other side of me that wants to be

1203
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 5: that calculated guy who's like, all right, big buck time, right,

1204
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 5: big buck time. But I think it's how you handle

1205
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 5: the big buck approach and when things go wrong that.

1206
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 4: Tell you where you're at.

1207
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 5: Because for me, I had this deer show up, or

1208
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 5: the two deer that we talked about at the beginning

1209
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 5: of the episode that didn't show up, they just disappeared.

1210
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 4: Then I had this other deer show up.

1211
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 5: It was the biggest buck on the farm at the time, right,

1212
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 5: And because of the trail cameras, I got to everything

1213
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 5: moving around from the tree stand the last four days.

1214
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 5: Finally shows up and I pass him because at this

1215
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 5: point it's not about the antlers anymore. It's about something else, right,

1216
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 5: And I didn't necessarily pass him because he was young.

1217
01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 4: I didn't pass him. I mean, he would have been

1218
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,479
Speaker 4: maybe the top three or four deer that I've ever

1219
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 4: shot from a score standpoint.

1220
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 5: That didn't matter to me. It was just the fact

1221
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 5: that I didn't feel it was the right time for.

1222
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 4: That buck to die for me anyway, and I was

1223
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 4: looking for something different and I couldn't. I can't tell

1224
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 4: you what it is.

1225
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 5: It's just I wasn't ready, and that deer got a

1226
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 5: pass because of that, and so that deer walked. Who

1227
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 5: knows if he's alive today or someone else shot him,

1228
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 5: I don't know. But I wasn't in the mood for

1229
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 5: that particular buck at that particular time, and so I

1230
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 5: don't know. That's a very hard thing to describe passing deer,

1231
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 5: not because of age, not because of antler size, because

1232
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 5: he had a decent body and he did have a

1233
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 5: decent rack, and if it was an out of state hunt,

1234
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 5: I definitely would have shot him.

1235
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 4: But at that point in Iowa, it was a no

1236
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 4: go for me.

1237
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 3: Dude. It goes back.

1238
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 2: It all comes back to what a wise man wants

1239
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 2: and said a long time ago. Now he's an old

1240
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 2: man now, but once long ago he.

1241
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 4: Was exactly what you're gonna say, you son of a bitch.

1242
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 3: He said. That buck made me go.

1243
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 4: So you know, there's a state park where I live

1244
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 4: and it's got some fancy quote by uh was Aldo Leopold. Yeah,

1245
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 4: it's like this beautiful quote.

1246
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 5: And then there's this statue of me with this like

1247
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 5: mangled face and mangled hand.

1248
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 4: It's like past him because he did make me go.

1249
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 4: Uh you know, it's just like the most like behemoth thing, just.

1250
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 3: Like cave man man.

1251
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, this cave man. So I'm glad you brought that up.

1252
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we'll never forget. But but it's true, right,

1253
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 2: I mean it comes I feel the exact same way.

1254
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 3: Uh. Number one on the love and have meat in

1255
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 3: the freezer.

1256
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, love hunting doze and making sure you

1257
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 2: get a full freezer. But then when it comes to

1258
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 2: like what you're gonna do with your buck tags, I

1259
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 2: feel much much less. I think there was a phase

1260
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 2: in my life where I felt a certain pressure, like

1261
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 2: outside pressure, like oh man, you shouldn't pass that buck.

1262
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 2: That's like all your buddies would be giving you a

1263
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:15,439
Speaker 2: hard time like that you got to shoot that buck,

1264
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 2: or or you felt you should be passing other bucks

1265
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 2: because you should be trying to shoot a big buck

1266
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 2: because everybody else was or whatever was yep, And I

1267
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 2: just I've gotten to the point finally that I just

1268
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 2: don't care anymore, and that when it comes down to

1269
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 2: is it's got to be the right moment and decision

1270
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 2: and thing for you, and no one else is gonna

1271
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 2: understand that nobody else will be going through the same

1272
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 2: things as you or or want the same experience that

1273
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 2: you do.

1274
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 3: But but you know, removing.

1275
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 2: All outside expectations, removing all outside opinions from that decision

1276
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 2: has really helped me just enjoy those, you know, experiences

1277
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:50,439
Speaker 2: and decisions more. Like I had a similar thing last

1278
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 2: year where, you know, on one of the places that

1279
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 2: I hunt, I was after two bucks, and like, those

1280
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 2: are the two oldest bucks, those are the bucks that

1281
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 2: I want to get after, and then they disappear. And

1282
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 2: then this new buck showed up in late October, I

1283
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:05,479
Speaker 2: guess it was, and he was like a really nice buck.

1284
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 2: In most years, I probably would have targeted him.

1285
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 3: I was like kind of on the fence, is he

1286
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 3: fully mature? Is he not fully mature?

1287
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 2: But man, he was a nice deer and I just

1288
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 2: kind of felt like, I just people would probably think

1289
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 2: I'm crazy not to try to kill this deer in Michigan,

1290
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 2: but I just he's not.

1291
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 3: He's just not the one I'm after right now. And

1292
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 3: I just didn't.

1293
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 2: Have the drive to go chase that deer, even though

1294
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 2: like really nice buck, but I wanted to hold out

1295
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 2: to see if one of these other deer would show

1296
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 2: up eventually. And I knew i'd feel bad that if

1297
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 2: I if I did, if I shot this deer, because

1298
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 2: I knew I should, I should shoot that deer, I

1299
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 2: would feel guilty about that forever, Like I feel like

1300
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 2: that would like be doing like that deer a disservice,

1301
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 2: that'd be doing it myself a disservice. So so yeah,

1302
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 2: I think a lot of this comes down to just

1303
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 2: we're doing things for different reasons.

1304
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:55,919
Speaker 4: Now.

1305
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 2: We're more comfortable in our own skin and our decisions

1306
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 2: and our values and the whys and hows of what

1307
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 2: we do and in a certain way that's not a certain way.

1308
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 2: In a lot of ways like that, that's pretty freeing.

1309
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 2: The more I think you remove other people from your

1310
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 2: hunting decisions and how you enjoy it, I think the better,

1311
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 2: because it's hard to do these days with like our

1312
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 2: internet world. I think that's one of the biggest things

1313
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 2: that it as an old man, as an old middle

1314
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 2: aged man speaking to the next generation, which is not

1315
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 2: me anymore. That's that's like one of the biggest things

1316
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 2: I gotta believe that these kids are growing up with

1317
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 2: now is like everything is media, Everything is broadcast to

1318
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 2: the world, everything is looking for likes and clicks and

1319
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 2: dms and whatevers. But the more you can remove yourself

1320
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 2: from that, I think the better. And I think we

1321
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 2: both probably learned that the hard way because we've both

1322
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 2: gone through that ourselves. Yeah, and now in this new phase,

1323
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 2: hopefully we're kind of finding a more sustainable middle ground.

1324
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:05:56,600 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 5: Absolutely, Man, I hate social media. It's you got it,

1326
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 5: Like I just have to be on it every once

1327
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 5: in a while and and do it and I don't know.

1328
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 2: It's It's amazing though, Like how like when I was

1329
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 2: gone for the last six seven days and I wasn't

1330
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 2: able to check in, It's amazing, Like how much bandwidth

1331
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 2: that opens up in your mind when you just never

1332
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 2: are thinking about that and you never feel like the

1333
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 2: instinctual like you just pull up your phone and pull

1334
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 2: up Instagram just without even thinking about just happens, and

1335
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden you're looking at some stupid

1336
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 2: thing you don't care about.

1337
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 3: It at all.

1338
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:30,439
Speaker 2: When that when that is not a possibility at all,

1339
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 2: it is so like rejuvenating for your mind and body. Yeah,

1340
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 2: so that's another thing that I that I'm not good at.

1341
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 3: Still. I've been preaching it for years.

1342
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 2: I try to do it, but I'm never as good

1343
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 2: as it I should be. But man, keeping the phone

1344
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 2: tucked away when you're hunting. The more I can keep

1345
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 2: that thing away and not get sucked into the phone

1346
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 2: when you're hunting, the better to enjoy the whole fact,

1347
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 2: to the enjoying the experience, you know.

1348
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, I forgot I forgot my phone in the

1349
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 5: truck this past year. And the first like thirty minutes

1350
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 5: of the hunt, after I got set up and I

1351
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 5: was sitting and just kind of chilling, I was like,

1352
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 5: oh my god, this sucks.

1353
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 4: I need my phone. I gotta check emails. I gotta

1354
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 4: do this.

1355
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 5: But then like after the the addiction part of it

1356
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 5: wore off, it was awesome.

1357
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 4: I was relaxed, I was watching birds. I was just

1358
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 4: like just like kind of remembering what it was like

1359
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:30,480
Speaker 4: to go back to a time before cell phones and

1360
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 4: just sitting in a tree for hours with nothing other

1361
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 4: than a bottle of water or some snacks or something

1362
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 4: like that, and that's it, dude. And it's like like,

1363
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 4: imagine a time where you don't know what time it is,

1364
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 4: Like remember going hunting. I can remember going hunting.

1365
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 5: When I first started hunting, there was no time unless

1366
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 5: I wore a watch, there's no time. And so you're

1367
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 5: sitting there, sons come up and you're like, oh my god,

1368
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 5: I've been here forever, and you get back to the

1369
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 5: truck it's like eight o'clock or you're like, god, you know,

1370
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 5: like I'm getting hungry, it can't be eight o'clock yet.

1371
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 5: And then you get back to the truck and it's eleven, right,

1372
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:14,920
Speaker 5: And so when you lose track of time, that's when

1373
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 5: you really, in my opinion, you kind of like experience,

1374
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 5: like the experience is purified and you just I don't know,

1375
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 5: but you don't get that anymore because you're like I'm in,

1376
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 5: I'm in at this time and I'm out at this time,

1377
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 5: or I got to be here because you know when

1378
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:32,680
Speaker 5: the wind is going to shift, and then you're not

1379
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:36,599
Speaker 5: actually experiencing the wind shift. You're preparing for the wind shift,

1380
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:39,760
Speaker 5: and it's just everything's different than what it used to be.

1381
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's the truth.

1382
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 2: I think so much of what we've talked about has

1383
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:50,639
Speaker 2: has come back to like fully embracing the here, the now,

1384
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 2: the people, the place, and worrying less and less about

1385
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 2: all the stuff that's not in your control.

1386
01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 3: Right.

1387
01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's you know, ultimately not that important. So

1388
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:03,719
Speaker 2: I think that might be a good place to wrap

1389
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 2: it up, Dan.

1390
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:08,600
Speaker 3: What's new? What's new in your world? With content?

1391
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 2: With podcasts, with projects, what some folks know about? Where

1392
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:14,840
Speaker 2: can they listen? Where can they connect with you?

1393
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1394
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 5: Same place as always, Man, I would say that the

1395
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:24,160
Speaker 5: best place to look for content is the Sportsman's Empire.

1396
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:25,760
Speaker 4: And that's just.

1397
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 5: Not my stuff, but that's the network that we've created

1398
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:33,120
Speaker 5: over here with just I mean, like whether you live

1399
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:36,720
Speaker 5: in the Northeast or you hunt the West, everything kind

1400
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 5: of in between, we have a podcast for you, you know,

1401
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 5: like whether it's hound hunting, whether it's fishing, whether it's

1402
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 5: turkey hunting, so forth and so on. I mean, we

1403
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:49,559
Speaker 5: cover a little bit of everything, and we have some

1404
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:52,760
Speaker 5: really good podcast hosts. And that's where I would I

1405
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 5: would send everybody is the Sportsman's Empire and you can

1406
01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:58,800
Speaker 5: have your pick of what you want to listen to.

1407
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:04,920
Speaker 2: What is one episode of the Nine Finger Chronicles that

1408
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:07,080
Speaker 2: you would send people to listen to if they haven't,

1409
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 2: if they haven't heard in recent weeks or months, what's

1410
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:11,760
Speaker 2: the one favorite of years that they should go listen

1411
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:12,320
Speaker 2: to right now?

1412
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:14,880
Speaker 4: Okay, so this is a great talk talking point.

1413
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 5: Right So, I do have to tell you that every

1414
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 5: time I have Tony Peterson on the podcast.

1415
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 4: He cheap shots you, dude, I believe it. He throws

1416
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:25,400
Speaker 4: some jabs at you.

1417
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:31,559
Speaker 5: Okay, and so yeah, and so I feel like, on

1418
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:34,719
Speaker 5: this podcast, or maybe you just come on my podcast

1419
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 5: and you talk shit on Tony Peterson for a whole hour,

1420
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 5: I would allow it just because he takes like, he

1421
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 5: takes advantage.

1422
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 4: Of your kindness. I feel like, and you might be right.

1423
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 5: So any any episode with Tony Peterson's a good one.

1424
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 5: But at the same time, you probably shouldn't listen to

1425
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 5: those because he takes a jab at you every once

1426
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 5: in a while.

1427
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 3: My feelings hurt.

1428
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:56,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1429
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 2: I love your idea. We we talked about this over text.

1430
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:00,760
Speaker 2: We just need to do it now. You need to

1431
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 2: have a podcast that's nothing but talking smack about Tony

1432
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 2: and uncovering all the skeletons in his closet for the

1433
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:09,799
Speaker 2: rest of the world. Yep, So let's just make that happen,

1434
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:12,800
Speaker 2: expose him for what exactly what he is. And I

1435
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:16,720
Speaker 2: don't know what he is, but he likes heavy metal music. Like,

1436
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 2: have you talked to Tony about the kind of music

1437
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:20,800
Speaker 2: that he likes?

1438
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, he likes uh dark yeah dark that Oh

1439
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:31,639
Speaker 3: the tea tool, Yes, loves tool, loves tool tool.

1440
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:32,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1441
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:37,719
Speaker 2: I mean he's got like a dark dark yeah, brooding mind.

1442
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll say this. Tony's a great guy.

1443
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 5: But I would not be surprised if I see him

1444
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 5: on an episode of Dateline where the FBI is like, hey,

1445
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 5: we found seventeen bodies under this dude's house. He's been

1446
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 5: collecting them for like ten years, and he takes it

1447
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 5: to that. But I just would be like, I can

1448
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:57,599
Speaker 5: see that.

1449
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:03,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, he's uh, there's a lot under the

1450
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 2: surface there, Dan, there's a lot out of the surface exactly. Well,

1451
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:10,639
Speaker 2: hey man, this has been fun. Yeah, glad we could

1452
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:14,080
Speaker 2: do it. I appreciate you and stood against him absolutely.

1453
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 4: Mark kill a big buck this year, you too.

1454
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:22,679
Speaker 3: All right, And that's going to do it for us today.

1455
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:25,519
Speaker 2: I appreciate you joining me and Dan as we kind

1456
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 2: of ramble and pontificate and self examine what this new

1457
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 2: stage of our hunting life is all about, what we've learned,

1458
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:38,680
Speaker 2: and what it means for the future. So thank you

1459
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 2: for being here. I appreciate you being a part of

1460
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 2: this community. And if you've been with us since the beginning,

1461
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 2: if you have been here since two thousand and eight,

1462
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 2: God bless you. Thank you for being on this ride.

1463
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 2: If you've been tuning into the podcast since we started

1464
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 2: in thirteen or fourteen, thank you.

1465
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:55,639
Speaker 3: We appreciate your support so much. I appreciate your.

1466
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:58,840
Speaker 2: Attention, your time, and being a part of this community.

1467
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:03,679
Speaker 2: So thank you, and until next time, stay wired to hunt.

1468
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.