1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny, and welcome to stuff. 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 2: I never told you a production of ihearted you, and 3 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 2: yes I am by myself today because pretty much the 4 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 2: whole Spinty team is traveling currently. I am dog sitting 5 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 2: peaches for Samantha. But we were about to meet up 6 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 2: in Seattle, which is very exciting, so I decided to 7 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 2: bring back, I know, the last classic we did around 8 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:38,319 Speaker 2: the Last of Us. We weren't sure how far we're 9 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 2: going to continue in this mini series that we did 10 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 2: when season one of the show is coming out, but 11 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,279 Speaker 2: I decided to bring it back because I ended up 12 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 2: rewatching it here on Samantha Superior Television, and I just 13 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 2: it was so good. Of course, I was getting all 14 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 2: emotional and all these memories were coming back of the 15 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 2: times when we were here at Samantha's place, the group 16 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 2: of us enjoying this together and talking about it and 17 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 2: eating food and drinking drinks, and it was just really nice. 18 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 2: It was one of those things where I was watching 19 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 2: it and I was just like, oh, yeah, this one 20 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 2: was really good and this was really fun, and uh yeah, 21 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 2: the Last of Us Day is coming up, also Samantha's birthday, 22 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 2: and I'm going to go see some last of those sights, 23 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 2: so I'm very, very excited. But in the meantime, please 24 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 2: enjoy this classic episode. Hey, this is Annie and Samantha 25 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 2: and welcome to Stefan never told you a production of iHeartRadio, 26 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 2: and I am embarrassingly excited to continue doing this. Our 27 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 2: mini series are very special mini series about the Last 28 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 2: of Us, the TV show which currently not a sponsor 29 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 2: in any way, which is a shame and really dropped 30 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 2: the ball in my opinion. 31 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 1: But here we are anyway, so maybe they were smarter. 32 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 2: There will be spoilers for the first four episodes of 33 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 2: this show, but Samantha has been a really good guide 34 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 2: for me about not spoiling the game. Although I maintain 35 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 2: all of you who have listened to the show have 36 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 2: not been spoiled. 37 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: You are amazing, right. 38 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 3: They might just bypass not realizing what it was. 39 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,519 Speaker 1: Yes, it's true, but I have realized. 40 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 2: It's been a fun exercise for me because I've realized 41 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,679 Speaker 2: some of the things you talk about or I talk 42 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 2: about specifically, but can be spoilers, even though they don't. 43 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: Feel like they are. 44 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 2: So I have to be really careful. I have to 45 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 2: think about it a lot, but I'm looking out. I'm 46 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 2: looking out for you because I want all of you 47 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 2: who are watching it haven't been spoiled to enjoy the ride. 48 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 3: There you go, And yeah, there's a whole lot of flips, 49 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 3: and as we know, when it comes to made for 50 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 3: TV or translated to screen, it's a little different from 51 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 3: the game. But they've done a great job in keeping 52 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 3: at least the spirit by being the directors and writers 53 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 3: and the creators of the show. So you know, there's 54 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 3: not too many spoilers in the game. There's not too 55 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 3: many things. So we will let you know of some 56 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 3: of the changes because any knows them in depth. I 57 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 3: do in depth. 58 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: I'm very indeed. 59 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, because if it's not clear like the Last of Us, 60 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 2: if I had, you know, in inside Out, where she's 61 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 2: got like the here's her hockey world and here's that, 62 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 2: the Last of Us would be one of mine. 63 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: It's like one of my very favorite things, like. 64 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 3: There's four parts to your world, it'd be Star Wars 65 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 3: Last of Us fan fection and podcasting. 66 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 2: Yes, that's essentially sums me up. If you've noticed these 67 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 2: come out on Saturday, we are changing up the schedule 68 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 2: a little bit while this show runs, and it does 69 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 2: run for nine episodes. 70 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:18,559 Speaker 1: It will. 71 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 2: The finale is on the twelfth, so the final episode, 72 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 2: which might be a part two, should be the nineteenth. 73 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 2: And in the meantime, my Happy Hours, which come out 74 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 2: twice a week, are replaced by these. I know it's 75 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 2: kind of confusing, but essentially this is a special thing 76 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 2: we're doing on Saturdays until like March mid March ish, 77 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 2: and then we'll return maybe to our regularly scheduled programming maybe, 78 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 2: I mean, who knows. 79 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 3: You know, we're all about flexibility. Yes, that's the key, 80 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 3: and we love to switch it up for you. 81 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: That's true. We got to keep you on your toes. 82 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 2: I did want to throw a quick content warning in 83 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 2: for this one about gun violence and death. Nothing to 84 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 2: in depth, but we will be talking about that. And yes, 85 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 2: today we are talking about episode four, which was called 86 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 2: please Hold to My Hand, which was based on lyrics 87 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 2: played from the song and there. We'll talk about that 88 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 2: more in a minute, but they have been doing that 89 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 2: for the past couple of episodes, naming. 90 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: Them after your lyrics. 91 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 2: I also want to say again we Samitha and I 92 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 2: are watching this together and this was a fun one 93 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 2: because we made a decaf coffee Jack because it was 94 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 2: a coffee. 95 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 1: Coffee was featured throughout the episode. 96 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 3: Right, well, one of the things we find out in 97 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 3: the game. As you would expect there, there's not a 98 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 3: lot of coffee in zombie world yepost Apocalypse, I guess, 99 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 3: and so Joel misses it very much and when he 100 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 3: finds it, he's so happy about it and drinks the 101 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 3: worst type of coffee. Yes, essentially, so to us, the 102 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 3: worst type of coffee probably would be decaffed. It was tasty, though, 103 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 3: it was. 104 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 2: Tasty well, Ellie, yes, because we were watching at like 105 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 2: nine pm, we were not gonna I'm not going to 106 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 2: drink caffeine at ninety that would keep me up, no, 107 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 2: thank you. Yes. Also, this is coming out too late 108 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 2: for anybody to really care about this. But the next episode, 109 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 2: episode five, which I think is going to be one. 110 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 1: Of the best, the best of. 111 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 2: The series, was originally slated to play against the Super Bowl, 112 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 2: but oh no, what if I get introll for saying that? 113 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 2: Never mind, don't come at me. They moved this streaming 114 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 2: release date to this Friday, the friday before the Super Bowl. 115 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: So what is that the tenth I don't know, you 116 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: can figure. 117 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 2: It out, but because I keep trying to glean details 118 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 2: from the descriptions, so I'll look up like on TV guide, 119 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 2: like tell me how long it is and what the 120 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 2: title is. 121 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: And HBO is real cagy about it. 122 00:06:50,080 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 2: But they haven't released because it's only streaming on Friday. Ah, sneaky, sneaky, sneaky. 123 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 3: They can't give away everything any I know, but I 124 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 3: want to do all right? 125 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 2: Well, shall we start as we always do with these, 126 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 2: with your recapsman? 127 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 3: Yes, here we go. Are you all ready? So we 128 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 3: have left dear Frank and Bill's house. They are on 129 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 3: their trip. They camp because he's like, you know, we 130 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 3: need to pull over. We're gonna do a little camping. 131 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 3: We discover between all of this he's siphoning gas and 132 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 3: he doesn't know the science to it. No worries, No 133 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 3: one does. Ellie has found a pun book. What's the 134 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 3: name of it? 135 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: Annie, hold on, let me get it. 136 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 3: She actually has a copy. 137 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 2: I do, And I'm gonna read some puns at the end, 138 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 2: so please stay tuned for that. I know that I'll 139 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 2: see anyone away. It's called No Pun Intended, Volume two. 140 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: T Oh. These puns Cracked me up? By Will Livingston. 141 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 3: By Will Livingston. So here we see her start her pun, 142 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 3: which we find Joel reticent in this process, but you 143 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 3: know whatever, she's like, oh, get ready for more. We 144 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 3: know that Ellie has stolen a gun and Joel has 145 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 3: no idea about that, so that will come into play. 146 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 3: We get to their first campsite and they've eaten twenty 147 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 3: year old chef Boyardi Ravioli, which you know what, I'm 148 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 3: a fan, gonna lie, I still love it. A sponsor, 149 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 3: not a sponsor, but I will eat that crap, this crap, 150 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 3: we know this, but I will eat it. But they 151 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 3: have a conversation. She shovels it down and Pedro Pascal 152 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 3: does the thing that I hate and pretends to eat 153 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 3: it but just keeps chopping away at it and never 154 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 3: takes a bite. I really hate that, Like, at least 155 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 3: pretend to take a bite. Anyway, they go to sleep, 156 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 3: she tells a pun, which was. 157 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 2: She says, why did the scarecrow win an award? And 158 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 2: then silence. Joel says because he was outstanding in his field. 159 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:05,199 Speaker 3: So Joel is participating when she's like, you dick my 160 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 3: favorite phrase, and she was like, are we really okay? 161 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 3: Because he said that they can do a fire, and 162 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 3: she asked, are the I don't think we're too far 163 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 3: out to have any infected out here and he was like, 164 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 3: it's not the infect that you need to worry about. 165 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,839 Speaker 3: She goes, oh people, and he's like yes. She as 166 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 3: they're getting to sleep, she's like, are you sure we're safe, 167 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 3: and he's like, yes, we're safe. But then we turn 168 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,559 Speaker 3: around and see that he stays up all night even 169 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 3: though that plan was so he was going to sleep, 170 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 3: but to protect and keep watch. We wake up to 171 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 3: him making coffee and she hates it and says it 172 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 3: smells like and you know what, I can see that. 173 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 3: I can see that, but I love coffee. And they 174 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 3: move on and she's like, I can't believe you drank that. 175 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 3: I can't believe Starbucks served those people went to the 176 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 3: to get this. And he takes a big slurp as 177 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 3: he does to show it off. We find Hank William's 178 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 3: tape that's way back when and he puts it in 179 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 3: and yes, there is uh that is in the game. 180 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 3: Ye why, but I think it's a different song. Actually 181 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 3: I heard someone say that it's not the same song. 182 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 3: They played a different song than what you see in 183 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 3: the game, but it goes hand in hand with the episode. 184 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 3: We come up on Kansas City and we see all 185 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 3: these pilots of cars and we're like, oh no, what's happening. 186 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 3: There's a barricade, and so they have to take a detour. 187 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 3: And during this the tour, rot row comes a man 188 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 3: who is seemingly injured, and Joel is suspicious, and Elie's like, 189 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 3: aren't we going to help him? And he's like no, 190 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 3: and veers and almost runs him over, and yep, it 191 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 3: was an ambush. Gunshots are happening, all the chaos. He 192 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 3: quickly swerves into a gas station. Yeah, yeah, abandoned building. 193 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 3: We'll go with that abandoned building. And they hide and 194 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 3: he tells her to go crawl through the hole. I'll 195 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 3: cover you. And then he shoots somebody and one person dies, 196 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 3: and he shoots several other people and other people dies, 197 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, when he thought he 198 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 3: was okay, he gets jumped by a guy named Brian, 199 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 3: who was very angry because all of his friends has 200 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 3: just gotten killed by this man. And he gets the 201 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 3: jump on him and he's choking him, and oh my goodness, 202 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 3: Ellie sees what's happening. She comes out in her kind 203 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 3: of hesitation, but then she does shoot not a great aim, 204 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 3: not a great name, because I'm like why, because it 205 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 3: passed through him. It would have killed Joel, but luckily 206 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 3: it just stuck in his butt and causing Brian to 207 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 3: be paralyzed. Things changed. Brian's begging for his life even says, 208 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 3: let me just take me to my mom, Take me 209 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 3: to my mom. That was probably one of the saddest lines. 210 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 3: We're cool, We're cool, I'm not angry anymore. My name 211 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 3: is Brian. What's her name? I'm sorry, I'm sorry. At 212 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 3: this point, Joel's like, go back inside, and we see 213 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 3: Joel grab a knife, which was his knife, Brian's knife, 214 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 3: and then we hear a noise, so assuming that he 215 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 3: had been stabbed. This we see Ellie hiding back in 216 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 3: the hole, crying but trying to get herself together. Joel 217 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 3: comes in after she moves some items from the doorway 218 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 3: so he can get in. By the way, that happens 219 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 3: a lot in the game, where she has to crawl 220 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 3: up things and into things to move things to let 221 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 3: the adults in, essentially, and there we see them having 222 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 3: a conversation about life. Essentially, and the fact that Ellie 223 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 3: had to do that. He's trying to apologize, but he 224 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 3: can't really apologize, and he's trying to try to check 225 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 3: in on her, and she kind of says, that's not 226 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 3: the first time I've done that, So r row, I 227 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 3: feel like that might be a premonition, yeah, that we're 228 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:31,719 Speaker 3: we're gonna learn about. And then but she does ask 229 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 3: jol how did you know? How did you know this 230 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 3: that this was a bad thing, that this would happen, 231 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 3: And he was like, I've been on both sides. People 232 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 3: do whatever they can to survive. So she's like, oh, 233 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 3: so you've been the bad guy essentially, and he's like, again, 234 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 3: we did what we had to to survive. At this time, also, 235 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 3: going back, because I did forget, Joel does explain what 236 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 3: happens to Tommy about Tommy just joining things, including joining 237 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 3: the military and then joining the Fireflies, and that's why 238 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 3: Tommy and he had a disagreement essentially, and that's why 239 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 3: he's searching for them. And then we find a new character, Kathleen, 240 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 3: who was actually not in the game, so they brought 241 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 3: a new character on and she is the leader of 242 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 3: this militia because they have taken over this area which 243 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 3: was accusy by feder but they overtook them. They are angry, 244 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 3: they are taking people out. We see her interrogating a 245 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 3: doctor who had actually birthed her, and she's very angry 246 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 3: because not only has people died, but her brother had 247 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 3: been killed and she's looking for a person named Henry, 248 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 3: and yes, this is a big deal. Whereas Henry because 249 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 3: she is sure that he had rated her brother out 250 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 3: which caused his death, his murder essentially. Then they find 251 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 3: out this ambush had happened. All their people had died, 252 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 3: so she rushes out, looks at the dead, including Brian, 253 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 3: which they call back on and she was like does 254 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 3: a rally cry essentially with the group saying that Henry again, 255 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 3: this mysterious Henry was at fault and he has brought 256 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 3: in people he had called in for reinforcements. And this 257 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 3: is obviously that she turns back around. At the beginning, 258 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 3: she seemed hesitant to kill the doctor, but not any 259 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 3: longer and just immediately executes him. Comes back says, we 260 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 3: need to find Henry. And there's a dude named Perry 261 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 3: who is actually the voice of Tommy Yes on the 262 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 3: game and I love having people from the game in 263 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 3: this movie. But yes, he plays a man named Perry 264 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 3: who has been military and who is her second man 265 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 3: in charge essentially in between. And so they all go 266 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 3: searching because they're like, we need to find Henry. We 267 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 3: need to find Henry. Remember Henry is during this time, though, 268 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 3: Perry's like, oh, we got an issue. Takes her to 269 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 3: an empty room and all of a sudden we see 270 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 3: that the floor sinking in, crumbling, and it's like almost 271 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 3: like it's a volcano about to erupt. Role but she 272 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 3: doesn't want to tell but Row just so you know. 273 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 3: Later we come back and she has found a little 274 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 3: what seems to be a hideout for two people, a 275 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 3: boy and an older dude. We find that this is 276 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 3: Henry and Sam. She is sure that they are part 277 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 3: of the problem. She's trying to find them, that she's 278 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 3: trying to see they're stealing food, all these things. So 279 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 3: they're on the hunt, yes, for Henry and Sam. We 280 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 3: come back to Ellie, and we come back to Joel, 281 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 3: who has found a place to rest. They have a 282 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 3: conversation about more puns. Yes, I believe there's a diarrheal one. Yep. 283 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 3: At this point. I'm sure you'll share that in a minute. 284 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 3: You want to share it, now, go ahead, go ahead. 285 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: Did you know diarrhea is hereditary? It runs in your genes. 286 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 3: There it is, and he kind of smirks, and we 287 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 3: see them bonding. At this point. He teaches her how 288 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 3: to hold a gun, shows all these things, so they're bonding. 289 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 3: She had taken the gun back and actually put it 290 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 3: in her jacket. Continue probably need to remember that. Joel 291 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 3: lays out glass or at the doorway so he can 292 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 3: hear people they come in, you know, we just in 293 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 3: case they get surprised. We see them going to sleep, 294 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, we see Ellie saying, Joel, 295 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 3: wake up, and he turns to see that she's standing 296 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 3: up with a man who's holding a gun to her head. 297 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 3: And then he turns around and looks at a young 298 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 3: boy with what looks like a paint on his eyes. 299 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 3: I think he's a superhero at this point, pointing a gun, 300 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 3: correctly pointing a gun at him. 301 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 2: Endzing once again, fantastic Freaku. There it is paints a 302 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 2: picture does Okay? So I do have a lot of 303 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 2: things I want to talk about with this. 304 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 3: I find it was a forty five minute episode. 305 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: I know, but I okay, okay, okay, but it'll go quick. 306 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 3: I mean, I like it. Let's go okay, let's go 307 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 3: all right. 308 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 2: So one of the first things I saw after this 309 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 2: episode came out was a lot of discussion around and 310 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 2: not necessarily negative discussion at all, but like, what's the 311 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 2: difference between an adaptation and a remake because this was 312 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 2: very like the whole first part where they're in the 313 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 2: truck straight from the game, like exactly, like when she's 314 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 2: looking through. 315 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 1: That like gay magazine. Yep, those that's just got beat 316 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: by beat. 317 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 3: Line for line, which I don't. 318 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 2: It's so funny because I'm kind of like, I don't 319 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 2: have a problem with that at all, and I've I've 320 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 2: said a million times on the show, I think that 321 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 2: game is already pretty much a movie. 322 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 1: With just a bunch of like wandering in between. 323 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 3: But it is funny. 324 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 2: Supplies to supplies, read the notes, to hear people talk 325 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 2: about it. It was cool to see Tommy's voice actor 326 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 2: and if you like, if you're so inclined, if you 327 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 2: compare like Tommy his voice from the first episode to 328 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 2: this the voice actor's voice, you can hear it it's yeah, 329 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 2: it's the same. 330 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 3: They are like. It was pretty impressive when we were 331 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 3: watching the first episode because it really did feel like 332 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, he wasn't the voice actor, but that 333 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,360 Speaker 3: sounds just like him. And then we see Perry but here, 334 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 3: I feel like the character of Perry the actor, he 335 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 3: softened it a little bit to be different. I feel 336 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 3: like he did that on purpose. 337 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not the exact same, but it was cool 338 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 2: because we you know, well, I am like such a 339 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 2: huge herd and we always watch the like behind the 340 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 2: scenes thing at the end. 341 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 3: We love it. 342 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was cool to see the voice actors 343 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:50,239 Speaker 2: say like, this is one of the surprise joys of 344 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 2: my life playing this character, and I never knew I 345 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 2: would be here. Like that's really cool. I like that 346 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 2: a lot. I do think they are doing kind of 347 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 2: a here's your huge emotional episode, here's your builder to 348 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 2: the next huge emotional episode, and here's your builder to 349 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 2: the next one. I think the next episode is going 350 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 2: to be like really long and sad. 351 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: Well, I think so. 352 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 2: But this was definitely like a bonding. This was showing 353 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 2: the traveling scenes and bonding between Ellie and Joel. 354 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: In my opinion. I did. It did crack me up. 355 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 2: How many people, and I love you all, thank you 356 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 2: who contacted me. And we're just sending me headlines about 357 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 2: the pun book like this is the heart of the 358 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 2: last of us. This Dan jokes are saving the last 359 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 2: of us and it's great. And I was like yeah, 360 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 2: and even somebody said, I can see why you love this. 361 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 3: You are correct. 362 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 2: I love it and it is very sweet because it's 363 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 2: I had the look on Joel's face when she starts 364 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 2: reading him the Puns of Pure. 365 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 1: Panic is like joy to me, Oh God, what is 366 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: she doing. She's writing puns? 367 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 2: And I love like when he finally laughs at the 368 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:12,360 Speaker 2: end at the at the the punge he tells, which 369 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 2: she tells him so funny, where she's trying to pretend 370 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 2: like she's got a serious question and the pun and 371 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 2: he laughs at the end and he says, I'm losing it, 372 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 2: and she says, you're losing it, big tig, which I 373 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 2: think is a callback to the first episode, because that's 374 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 2: when Sarah had called out, your shirt is on inside 375 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 2: out and Tommy joked like, oh, he's losing it, and 376 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 2: she said, oh yeah, big time. This is also I 377 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 2: think when we're seeing the trope emerge fully of sad 378 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 2: murdered Dad, which I have talked about. Yeah, but that 379 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 2: is what Joel. That is the trope and fan fiction 380 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 2: that Joel would be called. Where you see like I've 381 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 2: also heard emotionally constipated man, which I like. 382 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 3: That's on point. 383 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, where you see him. 384 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 2: He's definitely got the protective instincts and it extends beyond 385 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 2: Ellie and tests but also to Tommy, Like this whole 386 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 2: mission is like I have to be there to protect him. 387 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 1: He can't protect himself. I have to do it. 388 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 2: That scene where he's like waiting at night, can't sleep 389 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 2: and guarding Ellie, like he has that with him, and 390 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 2: then like the whole idea of when he's trying to covert. 391 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: Eli and he says, you know, I'm not good at this. 392 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: I don't know what to do. 393 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 2: And then we kind of get the first hints I 394 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 2: think they're gonna give us some more background, but the 395 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 2: first hints of Joel's past of kind of this we 396 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 2: did what we have to do to survive and what 397 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:40,360 Speaker 2: does that mean? And I also will say I've said 398 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 2: it before on this podcast several times, but I've said 399 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 2: The Vandalorian is essentially the same story, and a lot 400 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 2: of people sent me messages about foot Well, but it's 401 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 2: a very popular It's a popular trope of kind of 402 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 2: the like closed off protective violence and man who sort 403 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:08,360 Speaker 2: of gets his shell broken by some usually like innocent 404 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 2: human or. 405 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: Creature in Broker's case, baby Otis case. 406 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 2: There's definitely some dad vibes, like when he panics at 407 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 2: the Puns, but also when he panics at the gay 408 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 2: magazine when she's asking him. 409 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: Why the pages are stuck together, and he's like, oh God, 410 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: what do I do? What do I do? That's pretty good, 411 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: It was pretty funny. 412 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 2: He also has some pretty dramatic lines, like saving the 413 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 2: world as a pipe dream. That's when he's talking about 414 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 2: Tommy and like why he thinks what Tommy is doing 415 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 2: is ridiculous? And then you have Ellie's response of sort 416 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 2: of why bother going on without hope? And Joel says, 417 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 2: you keep going for a family and Ellie says I'm 418 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 2: not family and he says, no, you're a cargo. I 419 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 2: want to keep that in mind, but he says he's 420 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 2: like doing it for tests. He's trying to get Ellie 421 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 2: where she needs to go because of tests, because test 422 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 2: was family and that was her like final wish was 423 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 2: that you'll you'll see if you can get Ellie to 424 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 2: the firefly so they can get this potential vaccine for 425 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 2: all of this terrible stuff. And then you do have 426 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 2: the teaching of gun stuff. But if you've been listening 427 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 2: to these, if you've been watching the show, you know 428 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 2: Ellie has been pushing for this for a long time 429 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 2: and he finally gives in. And this was a big 430 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 2: point in the game as well, where she has this 431 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,679 Speaker 2: moment where she saves his life and he's just angry 432 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 2: at her because he doesn't it's a multifaceted but because 433 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 2: he doesn't. 434 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: Want her to as a child, to try exactly. 435 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 2: And they even have that conversation in the show where 436 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 2: she's like, well, does it get easier when you're an 437 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 2: adult and he's like, nope, not really. 438 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: But he eventually is like, you know, you were right. 439 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 2: It was either him or me, and he teaches her 440 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 2: how how does she who? I did think this was 441 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 2: interesting because one of the first and kind of our 442 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 2: jumbled first episode I talked about this, but I read 443 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 2: an article about the difference between adapting like between a 444 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 2: video game and a show like this when it comes 445 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 2: to camera angles, because in the video game you can 446 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 2: control your camera angles, but in the show obviously you can't. 447 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 2: And I found it really interesting and I personally am 448 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 2: glad they did it this way that a lot of 449 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 2: the time the camera angles, Like when Joel kills Brian, 450 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 2: the camera is on Ellie and you're not watching the violence, 451 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 2: And when Kathleen kills the doctor, the camera is on 452 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 2: Kathleen and you're not seeing that. I just think that's 453 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 2: really interesting about choosing choosing the shot and choosing the POV. 454 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 2: You know, there are arguments we made about I just 455 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 2: feel like showing violence is you have to be careful 456 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 2: about it, and I do that's like in the final episode. 457 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 2: I've got like more thoughts on this, but I'm saving 458 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 2: them for the final episode. 459 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: But I do think that's interesting. 460 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 2: And also in the kind of the behind the scenes 461 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 2: thing after this episode, they talked about how like this 462 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 2: group in the game is sort of an obstacle, and 463 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 2: they were trying to make them more than an obstacle. 464 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 2: And I think that's interesting because I do think that 465 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 2: the conversation around violence and video games is much more 466 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 2: than we can unpact here. 467 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: But if you're that's one of the. 468 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,199 Speaker 2: Issues people have, is like if you're treating people as 469 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 2: obstacles you just have to get through, then what does 470 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 2: that look like? But the Last of Us pretty good, 471 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 2: not always, but pretty good about like oh, they do 472 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 2: give people in the game like the names, so like 473 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 2: you'll you'll shoot. 474 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 1: Someone and they'll be like, oh, Brian, now. 475 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 2: Like it's awful, y'all, real bad it is? It is, 476 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 2: So that's interesting. And then something else that Savannah saalb 477 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 2: freak out over that they said in the behind the 478 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 2: scenes is that you know, Ellie took this shot to 479 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 2: save Joel. 480 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 1: Ellie is just like Joel, which is. 481 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 2: A point I have made a million times. It's true 482 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 2: and I will continue to make. 483 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: But we'll say that put a pin in that one 484 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: for later. 485 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 2: Also, one of the interesting points of this, I think 486 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,199 Speaker 2: episode was this really hammering home of the people are 487 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 2: a bad idea, like there's infected, but the people are 488 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 2: the ones you. 489 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 1: Should be really afraid of. 490 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,959 Speaker 2: And they talked about that in the afterthing too, of 491 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 2: like you know, the history of people being as bad 492 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 2: as the ones they replaced when it comes to like 493 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 2: for this example, they were talking about Frederick Hughsey gets overthrown, 494 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 2: but then who comes over and takes over? 495 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: Is this militia? Are they better or not? And and sort. 496 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 2: Of that like the ugliness of violence, the cycle of violence. Again, 497 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 2: these are all things that I've like ranted Samantha zero 498 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 2: off about these games. 499 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: I love it, yeah, but that kind of idea of. 500 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 2: You know, in theory, Henry has hurt in some way 501 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 2: led to the death of Kathleen's brother, and now Kathleen 502 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 2: is killing all these other people in his name, and like, 503 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 2: who do they get vengeance on? That's a big line. 504 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 2: I always bring up and kill Bill in the beginning 505 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 2: when she's like, one day you can grow up and 506 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 2: get revenge against me, like right that cycle. Neil Jruckman, 507 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,880 Speaker 2: the creator, did say that one of his favorite things 508 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 2: is humanizing villains, which did. 509 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: Crack me up. Which is true, It is absolutely true. 510 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 2: But I am interested to see where Kathleen goes because 511 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 2: she's not in the game, or if she is, she's 512 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 2: an NPC, like she's barely in there, so I am 513 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 2: interested to see what happens with her. I did want 514 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 2: to end on a couple of things that we'll touch 515 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 2: on the past episode as well. One of them is 516 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 2: this idea I didn't bring up, but I do think 517 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 2: is really important in this game, and I think in 518 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 2: the next episode it will become more clear why. But 519 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 2: like the idea of loneliness versus love, like are you 520 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:33,439 Speaker 2: too afraid of being lonely so you find somebody and 521 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 2: it's not really love? Or are you truly love somebody 522 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 2: or in love with somebody? And then a line can 523 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 2: get really murky there. But certainly the idea of loneliness 524 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 2: is really important in these games and in this show, 525 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 2: I'm sure. And then I did have the wondrous delight 526 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,479 Speaker 2: of watching the first three episodes because the fourth one 527 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 2: hadn't come out with some of my friends who hadn't 528 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:11,479 Speaker 2: seen it and very much enjoyed, very much enjoyed, and 529 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 2: I was talking to them about because they were like, 530 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 2: the episode with the previous episode with Bill and Frank 531 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 2: is so tender and beautiful. And I had mentioned in 532 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 2: one of the previous episodes that was the one where 533 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 2: I was like, that's where I'm going to start to 534 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 2: see this kind of angry gamer emerge, which they had 535 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 2: already been there, Like we said, they kind of they 536 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 2: targeted Nico Parker, they targeted Bill A. 537 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: Ramsey. But this they. 538 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 2: Did come out to review bomb that episode on IMDb specifically. 539 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 2: But I was hardened to see a bunch of people, 540 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 2: I believe, like a Reddit group or something came out 541 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 2: kind of reversed. We're posting all these positive reviews to 542 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 2: sort of combat at and I am loving the videos 543 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 2: people are sending me of people really embracing that relationship, 544 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 2: Like I showed you one where they're like playing it 545 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 2: at a like Taylor Swift dances like a montage of 546 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 2: Billy Oh yeah yeah. And then somebody, a friend who 547 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 2: I had shown it to just this past weekend sent me. 548 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 2: I think it was a TikTok of somebody slowly being 549 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 2: like going from like don't let him into your house. No, 550 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 2: if that's ridiculous too, like don't let him go. 551 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: It's true love. I have loved it, so thanks to 552 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: everybody who sent me those. I do enjoy it. 553 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 2: Oh okay, well, so up next, I think, oh gosh, 554 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 2: I'm so excited. Henry and Sam obviously are gonna be 555 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 2: the big thing. Also, the much alluded to Bloater, I 556 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 2: think it's gonna be a sad one. But I think 557 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 2: it's gonna be really really good. But we'll see. 558 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be emotional. 559 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 2: It's gonna be emotional, and you will hear our take 560 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 2: on it a week from now. But I do want 561 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 2: to leave with a pun. I'm just gonna flip. I'm 562 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 2: just gonna flip tor random page. 563 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 3: And if y'all didn't know this is specifically to the game, 564 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 3: this actually doesn't exist. 565 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 2: No, but I'm this bunch of a nerd that I 566 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 2: bought it for my Oh I love puns. So basically 567 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 2: in the game, you can ask Ellie to keep telling 568 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 2: you puns until she runs out, but it's an optional thing, 569 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 2: like you have to go up to her press triangle 570 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 2: and she'll tell you a pun. And I of course 571 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 2: did every single pun because I love puns and I 572 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 2: was just curious. All right, A book just fell on 573 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,479 Speaker 2: my head. I only have my shelf to blame. 574 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 3: Only have my shelf to blame. 575 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 2: Yes, but people are this book is in high demand now. 576 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 2: Everybody's asked me to read it. 577 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 3: So you know, there you go. Maybe we can get 578 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 3: a pun an episode. 579 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, listeners, would you be into that? Know 580 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: that's too bad. 581 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 2: As Ellie says, you can never escape Will Livingston. 582 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: That's true story, true story. All right. 583 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 2: Well, I hope that you're enjoying these whether you watch 584 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 2: the show or care about it at all or not. 585 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 2: And there will be more puns, more recaps, more discussion 586 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 2: in the meantime. If you have any thoughts, if you 587 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 2: have any puns, oh my goodness, you can contact us 588 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 2: our emails Steffanie mom Stuff at iHeartMedia dot com. You 589 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 2: can find us on Twitter at mom Stuff podcast, or 590 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,959 Speaker 2: on Instagram and TikTok at Stuff I've Never Told You. 591 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 2: Thanks as always to our super producer Christina. 592 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 3: You're the best, Christina, Yes. 593 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 2: Indeed, and thanks to you for listening Stuff I've Never 594 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 2: Told You. The production by Heart Radio formal podcast from 595 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 2: my Heart Radio. You can check out the heart Radio app, 596 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 2: Apple podcast, or where you listen to your favorite shows.