Speaker 1: All right, welcome to episode five of the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 1: Thank you all here as we broadcast by my house star.
Speaker 1: I guest this week is Caitlin Smith. Hello, Caitlin, Hello, Bobby. Hey,
Speaker 1: what do your friends call you? Do? They call you Caitlin, Kate?
Speaker 1: Cait The people closest in your life call you what
Speaker 1: they call me Kate Kate? Yeah, totally, but on stage
Speaker 1: and my grandma's the only one that calls me Katie.
Speaker 1: I don't know. She gets she gets to do that.
Speaker 1: When people ask you what you do for a living?
Speaker 1: What do you say, um, songwriter? You say a songwriter? First,
Speaker 1: I don't know, So you're a song yeah, because I
Speaker 1: feel like artist is like I'm an artist, I don't know,
Speaker 1: But a songwriter it's easier. Do you ever say singer? Songwriter?
Speaker 1: But sometimes? Yeah, I brought you in because I heard
Speaker 1: you sing and I was like, I was blown away
Speaker 1: and I was like, wow, she is so good. And
Speaker 1: for those that I didn't hear Caitlin on the show,
Speaker 1: she came in and this is live on our show,
Speaker 1: and she played a song called Tacoma, which is on Starfire,
Speaker 1: which I guess I just kind of fell in love
Speaker 1: with the whole ep that you put hot and we didn't.
Speaker 1: We didn't know each other, like this isn't something where
Speaker 1: we met. And I was like, hey, buddy, coming in,
Speaker 1: Like I was really just so moved by the music,
Speaker 1: which my job and my company allowed me to do.
Speaker 1: Just go, hey, come in, let's do this. And so
Speaker 1: here is from our show. This is some of Tacoma
Speaker 1: Caitlin playing in the studio mouth and on the floor.
Speaker 1: I am needed back up my bags and walk around
Speaker 1: out of the door. This is goodbye. I rolled the
Speaker 1: windows down on my Green show. I don't know I'm good.
Speaker 1: I'll just know it can't stay my maid get to Momphis.
Speaker 1: What is that? Ain't favingen ah sweed on the hall.
Speaker 1: It's sosa Zula so fast that the who can catch
Speaker 1: Like I was like I had chilled bumps on my arms.
Speaker 1: And I'm lucky enough and I don't understand pomish you.
Speaker 1: I don't just say this. I'm lucky enough that I
Speaker 1: get to bring people in all the time, Like if
Speaker 1: I find something that I like, I get to bring
Speaker 1: it in and kind of show it off to We
Speaker 1: have about five million listeners all over the country and
Speaker 1: so for me. I was like, man, this is so good,
Speaker 1: and a little bit I was nervous because when I
Speaker 1: bring in someone that's not known, the bosses are like
Speaker 1: all right. And our biggest boss was sitting in the
Speaker 1: studio when you were playing, like the head of the format,
Speaker 1: and when you left, he was like, holy crap. And
Speaker 1: so I do want to talk about this song first
Speaker 1: speed on the zula so fast that the hood can
Speaker 1: catch up. Because the first time I heard it, because
Speaker 1: I'm such a big Garth Brooks fan. Yeah, the first
Speaker 1: time I heard it was on Garth Brooks last album,
Speaker 1: right yeah, against totally, and so I heard the song
Speaker 1: and I was like, man, that's a really good song.
Speaker 1: And then I heard you do it and I thought,
Speaker 1: is she taking a Garth Brooks song or was that
Speaker 1: a Garth Brooks song. I didn't know what had happened.
Speaker 1: So he wrote the song, yeah totally. Me and Bob
Speaker 1: Dapiro wrote it a few years ago, and and then
Speaker 1: my publisher pitched it to Garth um He when he
Speaker 1: was looking for songs for that record. He actually like
Speaker 1: set up an email account was like g B pitch
Speaker 1: at yahoo dot com and then gave it to all
Speaker 1: the publishers, and so they got a direct line. He
Speaker 1: listened to like all of the songs that he got
Speaker 1: pitched to him. Um, so yeah, and then he so
Speaker 1: tell me how it works. So you send Garth Brooks
Speaker 1: this song called Tacoma, and did you ever find on
Speaker 1: keeping it for yourself? I did. It was hard to
Speaker 1: go here's here it is somebody else, not not because
Speaker 1: because my publisher called me was like, hey, I know
Speaker 1: that you this is your song, but Garth Brooks really
Speaker 1: wants to sing it. You're not gonna say no. I
Speaker 1: mean it's like to me that that was like, it's
Speaker 1: the highest honor as a songwriter when somebody else wants
Speaker 1: to record your song. And I grew up on Garth
Speaker 1: and Tricia and like you know, nineties country, and so
Speaker 1: it was like, yeah, he can sink. So he puts
Speaker 1: it on hold. I'm assuming yeah, okay. And so when
Speaker 1: when a song goes on hold, We've had this conversation
Speaker 1: before with artists, it means maybe maybe maybe it's like
Speaker 1: I like this, let me just hold it just in case.
Speaker 1: So was there a long period of him holding it,
Speaker 1: You're not knowing if he was going to cut it,
Speaker 1: or was he like this. It was pretty quickly after,
Speaker 1: like he said he wanted to do it, and then
Speaker 1: he went into the studio. I mean maybe a month
Speaker 1: or so, so it wasn't very long. When you hear
Speaker 1: Garth sing a song that you wrote the first time,
Speaker 1: it's crazy, right, it's crazy. I can't even there's like
Speaker 1: I do words for my job, and there aren't words
Speaker 1: to explain what that feels like. It's unreal. So the
Speaker 1: record again is called Starfire, her latest I'll tell you
Speaker 1: my quick Garth Brooks story. So he's my favorite too. Ever,
Speaker 1: like he's my favorite, like watching him live, I just weep.
Speaker 1: When you watch him live, you understand why he's the
Speaker 1: greatest of all time. Like it's not just the amazing
Speaker 1: songs and the his ability to pick the right songs,
Speaker 1: but when he performs, you're just like, if you watch
Speaker 1: this and you don't get it, then you're just not
Speaker 1: going to get anything ever, because it's that good. And
Speaker 1: so we did a comedy record um our band, the
Speaker 1: Raging Gidiots, and we're not that good, but we wrote
Speaker 1: a comedy record and I wrote this song and it
Speaker 1: was called Fishing with my Dad. And so I wrote
Speaker 1: this and it was never I was never ever gonna.
Speaker 1: I don't consider myself a songwriter. I'm a comedy writer.
Speaker 1: There's so many good songwriters in this town that if
Speaker 1: I consider myself a songwriter, then I'm doing the songwriters
Speaker 1: and injustice and that's how I feel. So I'm a
Speaker 1: comedy writer. So I wrote this song and it wasn't funny,
Speaker 1: and it was called Fishing with my Dad and it
Speaker 1: was about me not having a dad growing up and
Speaker 1: my stepdad coming into my life later and I finally
Speaker 1: got to go fishing with my dad and that was
Speaker 1: the whole story. And so the head of my label says,
Speaker 1: I would like for you to record this song. I say,
Speaker 1: it's a comedy record. I don't want to put the
Speaker 1: song on Like you can have it, you can throw
Speaker 1: it away, you can pitch it whatever, but I don't
Speaker 1: want it. And so he says, well, what would it
Speaker 1: take to cut? I said, well, if Garth Brooks would
Speaker 1: sing it, I would do it. I mean, Garth Brooks
Speaker 1: is never gonna sing a song with me. Well, like
Speaker 1: a month later I come in and it was Garth.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm gonna sing this song, so on the record,
Speaker 1: on the record, it's Garth Brooks. We're singing in this
Speaker 1: song together and it's it was so insane to hear
Speaker 1: it once it was recording our voices together. I was
Speaker 1: just like, this isn't even the real world. What is
Speaker 1: going on? Yeah? He was singing words that I wrote
Speaker 1: and I'm not I'm not even you like I'm far
Speaker 1: from you. So it's just a real whenever our e
Speaker 1: rose do something and just involve us period like So
Speaker 1: that's that's Tacoma, do you know? And here is the
Speaker 1: thing of all of your songs and I kind of
Speaker 1: want to go through um a lot of the songs
Speaker 1: that you've written before we talk about your your record.
Speaker 1: Now there's one song of yours that I didn't know
Speaker 1: you wrote until recently, and it's like one of the
Speaker 1: best songs that I and I went on the air
Speaker 1: and was yelling and like I normally do at the
Speaker 1: c m AE years ago to open the c m
Speaker 1: as with this song, I was like, you have to
Speaker 1: play this song at the beginning. It would be such
Speaker 1: a great open. I had no idea you wrote this
Speaker 1: song and it was the Dolly and Kenny Roger song
Speaker 1: you Can't Make Old Friends. This song is so good
Speaker 1: your care Free. That song makes me feel so like emotional,
Speaker 1: and I still cried when I hear Dolly Parton, Like,
Speaker 1: are you kidding me? You've ever written songs for Garth
Speaker 1: to sing, and you have Kenny and Dolly singing a
Speaker 1: song together. I love this song so much, Free and
Speaker 1: would you lend me since way back your care again?
Speaker 1: I get like the little hair standing up? That's so good?
Speaker 1: What st Peter the game? Eddy you come, I'll be
Speaker 1: just ringing for you cool. You can't make cold like
Speaker 1: a little bit. I'm geaking out that you're sitting here
Speaker 1: with me right now. This is this is so crazy, okay,
Speaker 1: so tell me about this. You can't make all friends.
Speaker 1: Who'd you write this with? I wrote this with Don Schlitz,
Speaker 1: who is one of my songwriting heroes. When I moved
Speaker 1: to town. Um, my publisher set us up and then
Speaker 1: Don kind of took me under his wing and taught
Speaker 1: me a ton about songwriting. We've written dozens of songs together. Um,
Speaker 1: and so this song. Um. He had just been inducted
Speaker 1: into a songwriter Hall of Fame like the week before,
Speaker 1: and Kenny was there, and so Kenny approached him and
Speaker 1: said Hey, Don, I have a title for you. I'd
Speaker 1: like you to write. Um, it's you Can't make Old
Speaker 1: Friends and um. And so I happened to be the
Speaker 1: lucky Lady on the books with Don that next week,
Speaker 1: and so Don comes to me and was like, hey,
Speaker 1: I've got this title. Would you like to write a
Speaker 1: few you know, ideas for Kenny Rogers today? And it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: so good. Crazy, and so we just, I mean, we
Speaker 1: really did our best. And um, and Don is such
Speaker 1: a I call him my Yoda. He's just like he's
Speaker 1: a lyrical genius. Um. So Don just you know, sat
Speaker 1: behind his desk and and worked the genius lyrics and
Speaker 1: and you know, I did melody stuff and and uh
Speaker 1: we sent it to Kenny like that day. We emailed
Speaker 1: it to him. We didn't hear anything for like six
Speaker 1: months or something. Six months months. It was crazy and
Speaker 1: we were like, oops, I guess he didn't like that.
Speaker 1: Oh well, and then you know I heard I heard
Speaker 1: that Kenny had cut it, um, you know about that time.
Speaker 1: And then but I didn't really hear much. And then
Speaker 1: I remember I was sitting with my publisher at breakfast
Speaker 1: on April Fool's Day and he told me, hey, April, no,
Speaker 1: but she told me that Kenny did a duet and
Speaker 1: it's with Dolly Parton and I just freaked out, and
Speaker 1: um I called him like multiple times that day. I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is an apile fools joke. I'm going to kill you.
Speaker 1: And it ended up not being a joke. And they
Speaker 1: saying the duet to celebrate their thirty years of duetting together,
Speaker 1: which is beyond me. I can't believe it. It's so
Speaker 1: so crazy. So have you met them. I've gotten to
Speaker 1: meet Kenny, but not Dolly yet. You can't make on that.
Speaker 1: And I was playing that on our show and I
Speaker 1: was just playing it over and over. I was like, guys,
Speaker 1: this is like next level songwriting stuff. When when it
Speaker 1: came out to Year two two years ago, years ago, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And when I read again, because I know a lot
Speaker 1: of the newer stuff and I know your stuff, I
Speaker 1: didn't know you wrote that song until and I was
Speaker 1: just blown away. I was like, whoa, I can't believe
Speaker 1: kind of wrote that song. So you've had Kenny and
Speaker 1: Dolly sing a song you wrote. You've had Garth Brooks
Speaker 1: sing a song on your wrote. Let's go back to
Speaker 1: the beginning. So you moved to town when I went
Speaker 1: to town about seven years ago. Um, and yeah, I
Speaker 1: got married and my husband is a writer as well,
Speaker 1: and we both packed up our bags from Minnesota and
Speaker 1: moved down here. Um and I uh um to do?
Speaker 1: What did you move down to? Sing? Or did? So?
Speaker 1: I had a publishing deal and that's what that's what
Speaker 1: moved us down here. So a publishing deal is for
Speaker 1: those listening, it means they give you X amount of
Speaker 1: dollars and you turn an X amount of songs, right exactly.
Speaker 1: And the weird thing about a publishing deal is, let's
Speaker 1: say they want ten songs a year. If you write
Speaker 1: a song with a co writer and you turn a song,
Speaker 1: and that's only half a song. If you write it
Speaker 1: with two people, that's only one third of a song.
Speaker 1: So really ten songs, it was like twenty five songs totally.
Speaker 1: But if you're if you're a staff songwriter, you're really
Speaker 1: writing three to five days a week, and so you
Speaker 1: can get to a hundred songs pretty easily. I would say.
Speaker 1: So you were a staff songwriter, meaning when you went
Speaker 1: to work quote unquote work makeup stuff. You go in
Speaker 1: every day to write songs yeah, totally amazing. So you
Speaker 1: moved from Minnesota, your your husband and yourself. Of the
Speaker 1: two of you, who's a better songwriter? So you're both
Speaker 1: song right? Is there ever that competitive? No? I don't think.
Speaker 1: You don't think. So now it's up. We're just tearing
Speaker 1: each other on and it's exciting, like same team, same dream.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess if you share a bank account
Speaker 1: and kind of a yeah, it really is awesome. So
Speaker 1: you moved to town. Was your aspiration to be an artist?
Speaker 1: Who like a singer? Yeah? And so I actually started,
Speaker 1: you know, singing when I was a little girl, and
Speaker 1: you know, I always wanted to be the performer. Um,
Speaker 1: but when I started coming to Nashville, you know, I
Speaker 1: was about sixteen years old, and I kind of got
Speaker 1: to see that writing good songs is the real, really
Speaker 1: only way that you're going to have like a long
Speaker 1: career as an artist. Like and so you know, my
Speaker 1: trips back and forth, like I kind of worked on writing,
Speaker 1: and um, I don't know. It's also the Ben Affleck
Speaker 1: Matt Damon way of making it. You can create your
Speaker 1: own success if you write great songs, whereas if you're
Speaker 1: not a writer, you really have to rely on having
Speaker 1: a great ear and hoping you get to the great
Speaker 1: songs first, right where if you can create them yourself.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the longevity of it. Yeah, totally. There
Speaker 1: aren't a lot of Garth Brooks As a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: there are no other Garth brooks Is or George Straits.
Speaker 1: It's rare that people can just pick great songs over
Speaker 1: and over again. So you moved to down and you
Speaker 1: start writing. How long from when you moved and said, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm committing to this until you got like a real
Speaker 1: artist to cut a song of yours. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I had. I had done the trip back and forth
Speaker 1: from Minnesota to Nashville from sixteen to twenty three. So
Speaker 1: that was a lot of years of just you know,
Speaker 1: trying seven years, flying back and forth, Yeah, flying back
Speaker 1: and forth. But then once I got my publishing deal, Um,
Speaker 1: I got my first cut within a year. Okay, is
Speaker 1: that quick? I would say, it is quick? Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So what if you think about the seven years before
Speaker 1: I build it? I mean, really that's seven kind though,
Speaker 1: that's kind of school. Yeah, totally, that's the Yeah. So
Speaker 1: your first cut, which means someone puts it on their
Speaker 1: record and who is that Jason alde and what was
Speaker 1: the song? It ain't easy? So al Deane at this
Speaker 1: point probably wasn't Al Dean that we know now, right,
Speaker 1: I think this record really so you didn't even know,
Speaker 1: not really because I wasn't because he wasn't. He was
Speaker 1: just this new artist. Yeah, totally. So you get a
Speaker 1: call and this guy named Jason Aldan funny name, it
Speaker 1: looks a little different than everybody else, wants to cut
Speaker 1: your song, and you think what I was like, yay,
Speaker 1: I gotta cut. That's what you're supposed to do the job. So,
Speaker 1: I mean I was stoked. I didn't care who it was.
Speaker 1: I wanted to sing my song. That rules. Okay, So
Speaker 1: you hear it for the first time, and it's gotta
Speaker 1: be weird to hear somebody else sing your song because
Speaker 1: you wrote it with your voice and how you feel
Speaker 1: it should sound, because you don't sound like Jason Aldean, right,
Speaker 1: And this demo actually was a guy. It was like
Speaker 1: one of the one songs that the dude in the
Speaker 1: room saying the demo. So, so what that means is
Speaker 1: so you you wrote this with someone else and he
Speaker 1: sang and that's the song that Jason heard, Yeah totally.
Speaker 1: So when you heard this back, what did you think?
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought it sounded awesome. I don't know,
Speaker 1: you're just like this, this is awesome. So the first
Speaker 1: song you had was it Ain't Easy from Jason Aldana.
Speaker 1: So that's cool. Then Jason blows up, now it is
Speaker 1: that wasn't a single that was on the record. So
Speaker 1: when you're on the record and it's not a single,
Speaker 1: do you make much money off of just having an
Speaker 1: album cut? No? You make like it's nine cents per
Speaker 1: units old, and if you you've just split that up
Speaker 1: with half of half ghost your publisher, and then split
Speaker 1: up with the writer. So that's like a penny but
Speaker 1: at least but now you have a Jason al Dean
Speaker 1: song though, yeah like that as far as currency goes, Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe you didn't make a lot of money, but your
Speaker 1: currency is now I have a Jason Aldine cut. I
Speaker 1: can work with better writers. Now, would you say that's fair?
Speaker 1: That's absolutely what happens. Yeah, So you get that song,
Speaker 1: continue writing, what's the what's the second song you wrote
Speaker 1: that was picked up by another artist? So because of
Speaker 1: that Aldane song getting cut, you know, you get in
Speaker 1: the room with better people, and so I was able
Speaker 1: to get in the room with one of the Rascal Flats,
Speaker 1: which one with Jada Marcus is those guys are so
Speaker 1: fun amazing. Yeah, yeah, I still so um. Gary and
Speaker 1: I lived very close to each other and different part
Speaker 1: of I don't even say where Gary list, but Gary
Speaker 1: I lived very close to each other. So we would
Speaker 1: see each other all the time. We would hit golf
Speaker 1: balls together, we'd work out together, and Gary the box
Speaker 1: the late sing of the Rascal Flats would work out
Speaker 1: in full camouflage, in full camouflage like he was in
Speaker 1: a tree stand and I'd walk up to him, like, Gary,
Speaker 1: this is all you have to work out in and
Speaker 1: he was like that's what I was wearing. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: And so you write a song and Rascal Flats they
Speaker 1: put it on hold, they cut it and what was
Speaker 1: it called called let it hurt, Let it hurt, let it,
Speaker 1: let it take it, let it degree may not be
Speaker 1: about that's what you need sometimes turn the world and
Speaker 1: let it. So look at these stars that are that
Speaker 1: are singing your song. It's like for about two years,
Speaker 1: really Rascal Flats were one of not just country, one
Speaker 1: of like the top three biggest acts in music period,
Speaker 1: Like we forget because in our society we move on
Speaker 1: from thing to things, like we don't even care about
Speaker 1: Ryan Locktey anymore. That's how fast we move, like we
Speaker 1: don't we don't care about Ryan Do that just happen?
Speaker 1: That was cool for a minute, But Rascal Flats was
Speaker 1: the biggest thing for a long time. So they sing
Speaker 1: your song, and here's a question for you as they
Speaker 1: put it on their record, are you in your heart
Speaker 1: hoping please be a single? Please please go on the radio? Yes,
Speaker 1: every time. And this one also did not go on
Speaker 1: the radio exactly. Okay, so you've got two cuts, which
Speaker 1: is you've got us on the outing cuts and the Flats.
Speaker 1: You're still waiting on that radio song. Are you making
Speaker 1: enough money though writing between your husband to get by
Speaker 1: writing just right? Yeah? Totally. I mean it was my husband.
Speaker 1: We decided I was going to have a writer deal.
Speaker 1: He's going to own his publishing, and so you know,
Speaker 1: we made it work on like it's like a teacher's salary.
Speaker 1: But you loved what you were doing, and that's I mean, really,
Speaker 1: that's all that matters, because if you love what you do,
Speaker 1: you work harder at it. And when you work really
Speaker 1: hard at something you love, you're going to be successful
Speaker 1: because you're not going to give up. And it just
Speaker 1: sounds and just listening to your story, Okay, you have
Speaker 1: to Okay, you got out and you have the flats.
Speaker 1: What the next song you wrote? So the next song
Speaker 1: the artist picks up. Yeah. So and at this point, um,
Speaker 1: in being a town, I've been in town for a
Speaker 1: couple of years now, and I was kind of ready
Speaker 1: to like, okay, is this cool? People are recording my songs?
Speaker 1: But I really want to sing something my songs. So
Speaker 1: I ended up making going in and making a record
Speaker 1: and started pitching my music around town. Um, I made
Speaker 1: like a ten song record, so I have a record.
Speaker 1: How So I didn't get a record deal. I met
Speaker 1: with all of these labels and and instead of getting
Speaker 1: a record deal, I end up getting two top tens
Speaker 1: off of that record that other artists. So the record
Speaker 1: that you went in with had songs on it that
Speaker 1: I'm going to play in a second that ended up
Speaker 1: being top ten songs for other artists. Yeah, totally. The
Speaker 1: weird thing to me is and it's weird how the
Speaker 1: world works itself out. And now the universe falls into place?
Speaker 1: Is that as you sing and I hear you sing,
Speaker 1: I think I don't know many people that can do that,
Speaker 1: they can say that that songwriting aside, because when I
Speaker 1: brought you in, it was because I heard your record
Speaker 1: and was just moved by your record, like simply that
Speaker 1: was it. Didn't know any history, didn't really want to
Speaker 1: know because I like to discover it myself. I like
Speaker 1: to like pull the question I'd like to learn. It's
Speaker 1: crazy to think that these labels, but here are you sing,
Speaker 1: have these great songs and say no, we're gonna pass.
Speaker 1: Why do you think that was? I don't know. Part
Speaker 1: of me thinks now being where I'm at now with
Speaker 1: the record that I've made now, like part of me
Speaker 1: thinks I was kind of almost trying to fit inside
Speaker 1: of something like I was like, I'm going to try
Speaker 1: to write country music for radio, and I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people get into that ship. And people come
Speaker 1: to me yesterday and I won't mention who, but yesterday
Speaker 1: I hadn't a list artist call me on the phone.
Speaker 1: And I try to stay away from telling people what's
Speaker 1: good and what's not and what will work, because I
Speaker 1: think if you chase radio, you will never catch it totally.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what I was doing and trying,
Speaker 1: especially as a new artist. If you chase radio, you
Speaker 1: will never catch it. As a someone that has a
Speaker 1: name like an Aldine or a Luke, you're fine because
Speaker 1: the format is always gonna come back to you. But
Speaker 1: as a new art. But this was an A list
Speaker 1: artist and he called it was a and he said, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: I gotta pick a single. I don't know what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do, like would you please listen to? And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I hate doing that because one I don't want any
Speaker 1: investment in it. I don't make any money. I don't
Speaker 1: want to tell you the wrong thing to do. I
Speaker 1: can give you an opinion of what I think will work.
Speaker 1: But with anything creative, there is not a right answer.
Speaker 1: There's never a right answer, even when some and the
Speaker 1: people that irritate me the most are people that like,
Speaker 1: this is for sure the answer, because in creative there
Speaker 1: is never If anyone's ever telling you this is right
Speaker 1: or this is wrong, they're just wrong. They're just wrong
Speaker 1: because there's no such thing. And so you put this,
Speaker 1: you have this record, you make, get you spend your
Speaker 1: own money. I took some more publishing draw for it, yeah,
Speaker 1: which which ends up being your money at the end
Speaker 1: of this day. But yeah, so everybody says, no, we
Speaker 1: don't want you to make a record, So you tell
Speaker 1: between your legs, you start pitching these songs that you
Speaker 1: put on a record totally. Which what's the first song
Speaker 1: that you wrote that you put on your record that
Speaker 1: someone said I like that it was wasting all these tears,
Speaker 1: Cassidy Pope, So you that was on your record? Wow,
Speaker 1: and wasted the second And I know Cassidy well, and
Speaker 1: she's open for us at shows and I've just been
Speaker 1: able to be our friend. She's played with us in
Speaker 1: places there aren't a lot of people that can sing
Speaker 1: like you sing, and she's one of them that can't. Like,
Speaker 1: that's one of those that's like, Okay, I get how
Speaker 1: Cassidy would cut a Caitlin Semith song. So she cuts it.
Speaker 1: Now you don't know what's gonna be a single yet, right, Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they had talked about like, yeah, we'll cut it and
Speaker 1: we'll make it the single, you know that kind of thing,
Speaker 1: which is always a curse. By the way, I know,
Speaker 1: I have so many songwriter friends that are like when
Speaker 1: they tell you it's a single before it's a single,
Speaker 1: it's rarely this single exactly. And we I had written
Speaker 1: with it my with my husband, and I kind of
Speaker 1: wanted to keep that from myself. That was one we
Speaker 1: wrote that together. Yeah, and which is awesome because it
Speaker 1: was both of our first big cut, first top ten
Speaker 1: we had it together, which is which was like, that's pretty.
Speaker 1: It was really cool. So Cassidy poke cuts wasting all
Speaker 1: these tears. Do you know where it finished on the chart?
Speaker 1: You know, I think it was nine something like that
Speaker 1: and that Smith. That's so crazy that you wrote that
Speaker 1: for you and then Cassidy makes it a hit. That's
Speaker 1: all okay. So Cassie puts it out, you get the
Speaker 1: call that it's the single, and you have to flip
Speaker 1: a little bit, right, is it's your first thingle She
Speaker 1: just had finished the voice like she's a big deal.
Speaker 1: We had no idea, like what's going to happen with
Speaker 1: new artists. You kind of just don't know, um, And
Speaker 1: it was a great surprise. At least she kind of
Speaker 1: had a following absolutely because she was on the TV show. Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: So it's on the radio and I'm assuming you get
Speaker 1: paid a lot more for that song. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: the that's a real check that bought us a house.
Speaker 1: That's excited, like say thank you for buying as a
Speaker 1: house you have that that was on your record? Is
Speaker 1: that old record still out there with like this? No?
Speaker 1: I mean I I just pressed some copies and I
Speaker 1: did put end up putting on an EP later just
Speaker 1: because I like to play it live and I wanted
Speaker 1: to give people, you know, copy of it. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that that one record that I pitched the labels, that
Speaker 1: ten song. I don't know, do you get a closets somewhere?
Speaker 1: And and for me, you know, I'm I get like
Speaker 1: I want to prove people. I have a chip on
Speaker 1: my shoulder, a terrible chip on my shoulder that I've
Speaker 1: been in therapy for a long time for that. I
Speaker 1: always want to prove people wrong, like more than succeed
Speaker 1: for me, I want to prove people wrong for doubting me.
Speaker 1: And it's an awful thing. And I wish I could
Speaker 1: get better at switching my priorities in life. But for
Speaker 1: everybody that tells me no, I'd rather prove them wrong
Speaker 1: than everybody that's like, hey, you can do this. Prove them.
Speaker 1: I'm so messed up in the head for those guys
Speaker 1: that said, hey, you're not really what we want? Were
Speaker 1: you kind of like okay, yeah, I mean it definitely
Speaker 1: like it was a little bit overblow to like artist.
Speaker 1: I think it was sad because I was like, I
Speaker 1: want to do this. I think I can do this.
Speaker 1: Why don't they want me to sing this? Like? It
Speaker 1: was definitely like this, Could you doubt yourself after it? Yes,
Speaker 1: big time, big time um as an artist, but you know,
Speaker 1: as a songwriter, was like, well, I'll always have that
Speaker 1: to fall back on and I can just so there
Speaker 1: was a time yourself as an artist like you were like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can do this. Yeah, definitely,
Speaker 1: because I just didn't understand because I was the writing
Speaker 1: thing was coming easy, so easy, and the cuts and
Speaker 1: stuff like that that I was like, well, why isn't
Speaker 1: this artist's piece coming easy? And I think this is
Speaker 1: a good time for advice from Caitlin Smith here because
Speaker 1: you were told this isn't for you and you continued
Speaker 1: down the path of yeah, I think it is for me. Yeah, totally,
Speaker 1: even when you felt like, oh man, maybe this isn't
Speaker 1: you kind of dug yourself out of that hole. What
Speaker 1: was the key for you to dig yourself out of
Speaker 1: that hole of self doubt because we've all been there, right, Well,
Speaker 1: it was I had a very amazing group, like a
Speaker 1: support group around me of like, you know, my husband
Speaker 1: and my family and people that were saying, you know, yes,
Speaker 1: you can do it, and that I mean that really
Speaker 1: helped me keep going. When I'm like crying on the
Speaker 1: couch going I don't know. My husband's like, yes you can.
Speaker 1: You know how having a cheerleader I think did help um.
Speaker 1: But you know, I would continue to play shows, and
Speaker 1: you know, at the end of those shows, like that
Speaker 1: feeling of like, no, this is what I'm supposed to do,
Speaker 1: like kind of kept me going and kept me pushing
Speaker 1: forward because every time I would go out there and
Speaker 1: sing my songs myself, I was like, this is what
Speaker 1: I need to be doing. It felt like that's what
Speaker 1: you're meant to do. Yes, absolutely, So, I don't know. So, Okay,
Speaker 1: Cassidy cuts that song, It's a top ten song. What's
Speaker 1: the next song? It was hard of Dixie Daniel Bradberry Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: So and then to another song from the Voice, Yeah,
Speaker 1: which is crazy. So Daniel Bradberry sings that song and okay,
Speaker 1: so now you're writing songs for all the reality singers,
Speaker 1: which is kind of cool. They're built as new artists,
Speaker 1: they're built in fan bases. Absolutely. Yeah, so then you
Speaker 1: have to be feeling pretty good because you're making your comfortable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as you know, making a living. Are you starting to
Speaker 1: write with people? Then you never thought me like, wow,
Speaker 1: I'm in a room with certain people. This is crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that I mean, I started to get more artist co writes,
Speaker 1: you know. So I got to write with Carrie Underwood,
Speaker 1: who you know is one of my here rows and
Speaker 1: that was like super special. So what was that like,
Speaker 1: You're sitting around with Cary Underwood. It was crazy. And
Speaker 1: she's really awesome. She is awesome, and she's a real human.
Speaker 1: She's a real human, which is amazing because you see
Speaker 1: her and she looks so perfect and she sings so perfect. Yes,
Speaker 1: but and all of that. Yeah, she's still like a
Speaker 1: real just just a normal person. Yeah, totally, but she's
Speaker 1: not for a minute, even to me. She went because
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, freak Garry Underwood, I know, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: I know about the fourth time I was like man,
Speaker 1: that's definitely. So you're in room with Carrie, tell me
Speaker 1: about what that's like writing with Carrie. She's a great writer.
Speaker 1: A lot of times, you know, you'll you'll get set
Speaker 1: up with artists and it'll be okay. You know, some
Speaker 1: some artists you write with and they're they're not really writers,
Speaker 1: And some artists just want to be on the ride
Speaker 1: so it looks like they're a writer and it gives
Speaker 1: them more credit totally. But with Carrie, she's actually a
Speaker 1: great songwriter. And so it was just you know, that
Speaker 1: whole like, I don't know, dynamic was great. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess I want to know what it feels like
Speaker 1: the night before you're about to write with Carry Underwood,
Speaker 1: don't sleep. I'm like thinking of ideas, looking through all
Speaker 1: of the books and all of the internets and all
Speaker 1: of the everything that's just try and find that gem
Speaker 1: that I can bring bring to the right. Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's about the biggest artists you can write with. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I've yet to get a cut with her. What
Speaker 1: We've written a bunch of really great songs, So we'll
Speaker 1: just keep writing songs. Hopefully we Here's my Carry Underwood story.
Speaker 1: Because again I put carry up on a pedestal and
Speaker 1: I love her as a person, and she liked me
Speaker 1: at first. Kind of hard to get to know because
Speaker 1: I'm very guarded and she's guarded and rightfully so. And
Speaker 1: I think after about our third or fourth time where
Speaker 1: we spent a lot of time together, it was kind
Speaker 1: of like, Okay, we're cool. So she agreed to come
Speaker 1: out and we did a show at the Rhyme and
Speaker 1: my stupid band. We did a big charity show at
Speaker 1: the Rhyme and it's sold out, and Carrie came out
Speaker 1: and we sang a duet together. Now again, I'm not
Speaker 1: a good singer. I sing just well enough to be funny.
Speaker 1: And someone debate that, but but I've got to perform
Speaker 1: with a lot of great people and and big artists
Speaker 1: and fun artists. But when Carrie opened her mouth to
Speaker 1: start singing, dude, it's and I've said these exactly, it
Speaker 1: was like I was singing with an alien because I've
Speaker 1: never heard anything as strong and powerful come from something
Speaker 1: so small, and it was imperfect. It was just awesome,
Speaker 1: and it scared me, like it scared me. And I'm
Speaker 1: not a singer, and I don't try to be a singer.
Speaker 1: But even then I was like, I don't know if
Speaker 1: I can do this, Like I don't even know if
Speaker 1: I can be me right now because it was that good.
Speaker 1: So you're right with Carrie, You guys, you know right together,
Speaker 1: you become friends. Who else do you get to right with?
Speaker 1: Like what are the artists to get the popping room with? Um?
Speaker 1: Well one I've gotten right one time with Blake shouting
Speaker 1: that was like random and interesting. Blake is very interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was not even for him. It was like for
Speaker 1: one of his voice artists, but he was there and
Speaker 1: it was strange. I don't know Blake, you just never know.
Speaker 1: He's awesome and he was a great hang for awesome.
Speaker 1: Right was like what are we writing? It was Even
Speaker 1: conversations with him are like that, like if we're because
Speaker 1: again And there are a lot of times on the
Speaker 1: show people just don't care about some of this stuff.
Speaker 1: But I've been able to hang out with Blake a
Speaker 1: bit more than I think a lot of people in
Speaker 1: natally doesn't live here anymore, but I traveled so much.
Speaker 1: We see each other in places, so hang out, and
Speaker 1: I've been able to hang with him and Gwen. I've
Speaker 1: been able to do some cool stuff, but he's always
Speaker 1: he's so friendly that the first two or three times
Speaker 1: you think, Okay, this is a game. The ninth time
Speaker 1: you're like, no, he's just a nice person. Sometimes he's drunk,
Speaker 1: but he's just a nice person. And there are a
Speaker 1: lot of those a little big talent. To me, I thought,
Speaker 1: is this a game? Like are they so awesome just
Speaker 1: to be you know, it's just like it. But again
Speaker 1: after about the ninth time with a little big town
Speaker 1: and Keith Urbans in that category, they're just genuinely awesome people.
Speaker 1: So you being a songwriter, who would you put in
Speaker 1: that category of they're just fantastic people? Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: a little big down definitely, all of those humans and
Speaker 1: there are four of them in there, and they're usually
Speaker 1: there's a third in a group of four, Like usually
Speaker 1: if you have four people, one of them not so
Speaker 1: gold or one of them a little bit different, but
Speaker 1: they're so nicely it's a little big down. Who else
Speaker 1: would you put on that list? I mean I put
Speaker 1: guards on that list. He's it's like hanging out with
Speaker 1: your dad or something. He's like so normal and so
Speaker 1: like he's so kind and like cares about you in
Speaker 1: front of his face, like he was Taylor Swift before
Speaker 1: Taylor was Taylor and connecting with people, Yes, he really
Speaker 1: connected with you and remembers people's names, is whatever, Like,
Speaker 1: it's amazing at the ability he has to make you
Speaker 1: feel like you're the only one in the room, yift man,
Speaker 1: It's incredible. He played our show and he came And
Speaker 1: I'm never nervous when artists come in because people are
Speaker 1: people like people are people, and some people have great
Speaker 1: gifts here some people everybody has some gift. But when
Speaker 1: Garth came in, I was I was nuts and I
Speaker 1: was like, what am I gonna do? What am I
Speaker 1: gonna say? And he came in. I knew it was
Speaker 1: a James Taylor fan, and I I was just like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know what, what's a great picture in your house
Speaker 1: that you like? Because I like to find out little
Speaker 1: things about people, like what's a picture in your house
Speaker 1: that you love? And so he's telling this story about
Speaker 1: his daughter and James Taylor together, and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: know you're a James Taylor fan, so do you ever
Speaker 1: just hanging out? And he plays fire and rain, he
Speaker 1: pulls he just becaus the guitar and he plays fire
Speaker 1: and ring on the show, and I'm thinking to myself, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is crazy. The greatest of all time is singing
Speaker 1: a James Taylor song, who I also love and admire
Speaker 1: his music. And so we're talking and I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: for me, like my favorite song is if Tomorrow Never comes,
Speaker 1: you know, And so he's like, oh, I mean I
Speaker 1: have a guitar. Then he played is It, and I'm
Speaker 1: just like, okay, this is not real life, Like real
Speaker 1: humans don't get to experience this kind of thing. And
Speaker 1: then as the show we played friends on the Places
Speaker 1: and we all sang it. I refuse to listen back
Speaker 1: to it because I don't want to go back and Nitpiket,
Speaker 1: I just's like enjoying that memory. It's so so special
Speaker 1: to me. I will never go back and listen to it.
Speaker 1: Then there are only like three moments of my life
Speaker 1: where that's happened. Garth probably the biggest. Ben Folds played
Speaker 1: a full hour for me any song I wanted. And
Speaker 1: I am such a bent Folds fan, like I'm die hard.
Speaker 1: He's playing in town in a few weeks and I'm
Speaker 1: not here because I'm on the road and I'm it's
Speaker 1: it's been Folds and a piano, and I'm just like,
Speaker 1: you gotta be kidding me, Like and he he walked
Speaker 1: in and he said, I'm a little under the weather,
Speaker 1: and again I'm they're about five artists that I'm die Hard, Garth,
Speaker 1: John Mayer, Ben Folds, Like, John, my favorite album of
Speaker 1: all time is Continued. That's that's my favorite. And at
Speaker 1: the end of a book, I thank temp for righting
Speaker 1: continue my credits. Like, seriously, that record is everything. It's
Speaker 1: my favorite record of all time. It has everything from perfect.
Speaker 1: It even has a perfect Jimmy Hendrix cover on it.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, the cover, Yeah, I got it on vinyl. Everything,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's amazing. So Ben ben Folds, who's one
Speaker 1: of my favorites, comes in and says, I'm low into
Speaker 1: the weather and I have this grand piano and I'm
Speaker 1: so excited. It was like when you talk about care
Speaker 1: you're nervous the night before and he's like, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what, Why don't we just call out songs? Do
Speaker 1: you know any of my songs? And inside, I'm I
Speaker 1: know every song, I know everything. I know every song
Speaker 1: I know. But I'm like, I'm like, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: I know a few songs. I'm calling out cuts I've got.
Speaker 1: It was the most selfish. It was the most selfish
Speaker 1: interview I've ever done in my life because I'm calling
Speaker 1: out things that and for an hour he played everything
Speaker 1: and I just would not go back and listen to
Speaker 1: it because it was so perfect. Yes, you just want
Speaker 1: to keep that, and I just don't want to because
Speaker 1: I was I'm sure I was an It said some
Speaker 1: stupid things, but it was so perfect to me, like
Speaker 1: those are I love the Count of Crows too, like that,
Speaker 1: and they're playing it as send here in town, and
Speaker 1: I took off because I'm like, I gotta go to
Speaker 1: the joke, like I saw him lest time there. Here's
Speaker 1: the problem with Counting Crows though, Adam Dirts is nuts,
Speaker 1: which most creative people are. I'm nuts. I'm sure you're nuts.
Speaker 1: You have to be nuts to be creative, Like there
Speaker 1: is an element of creativity where you can't be fully
Speaker 1: functional in every normal way to be creative. And sometimes
Speaker 1: I wish I was fully functional, but I'm not good relationships.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a hide in a whole life. But that
Speaker 1: nuts makes me allows me to do other things So
Speaker 1: Adam Dirts is nuts right crazy crazy right there, and
Speaker 1: not just crazy in a go to the doctor nuts
Speaker 1: because you know, I have friends that have suffered from
Speaker 1: clinical depression and and I know he's struggled with that too,
Speaker 1: But I'm about he goes nothwhere he won't even play
Speaker 1: songs the same way that I can sing along too,
Speaker 1: Like they'll play a long December and it'll sound nothing
Speaker 1: like a long December on the sing it so I
Speaker 1: can sing it back. I've been waiting for the show
Speaker 1: for three months, like he'll do a whole and I've
Speaker 1: seen him do a whole show before and not play
Speaker 1: one single he does, and I'm like, just and I listen.
Speaker 1: I admire that as someone who creates, but as a
Speaker 1: fan of like, come, I give me Mr Jones, Give
Speaker 1: me Mr Jones, Please give me r everybody's in the
Speaker 1: audience thing. So who to you like? Artist wise? Do
Speaker 1: you look and go in? Also to me, Zack Brown Band.
Speaker 1: I think they're the greatest country band of all time,
Speaker 1: like Zach to me. And Alabama has more hits and
Speaker 1: people will go Alabama because they've been around longer. But
Speaker 1: nobody's doing creatively in my opinion what Zack's doing now.
Speaker 1: And it's hard to look at something in the middle
Speaker 1: of greatness and recognize it. And I think we're able
Speaker 1: to see that with Zack Brown right now. To me,
Speaker 1: I'm seeing greatness here. It's the Lebron, it's the Brown,
Speaker 1: it's the we're in the middle of seeing something great
Speaker 1: and it's hard to appreciate greatness as it happens exactly.
Speaker 1: So for you, who do you look at and you're like, man,
Speaker 1: that's it, Like right now, this is this phenomenal. That's hard.
Speaker 1: I have no no sleep brain right now because the
Speaker 1: baby who who's your favorite question? Who's your favorite artist?
Speaker 1: There's too many. You have to have somebody I know
Speaker 1: the first one that comes to my that's a reaction.
Speaker 1: Patty Griffin. Amazing, unreal. I live in Austin for for
Speaker 1: a long time, just here walking around, just here, walking
Speaker 1: all time, all time, just chilling walking around. She to
Speaker 1: me like like when I first found her living with
Speaker 1: Ghost record, it was so pivotal to me as a
Speaker 1: human of like, whoa, this is art and that record
Speaker 1: to you shifted for it. Yeah, I think so big time.
Speaker 1: That's cool. Mom's Busty Boys license deal. I mean totally.
Speaker 1: I was like, these white dudes, g rag, that's amaze.
Speaker 1: That's cool that you like Patty because I love Patty.
Speaker 1: That's us here all the time, and she's so cool.
Speaker 1: She's so cool. I mean, I like stalked her down
Speaker 1: to Nashville, was like when's she playing here? And like,
Speaker 1: I like I saw she was playing a folk festival
Speaker 1: festival down here, and I like emailed the folk festival
Speaker 1: and like, do you guys have any more spaces for me?
Speaker 1: Like this is when I'm like seventeen, so I could
Speaker 1: just go creep on Patty. But I totally it was amazing,
Speaker 1: So love I love her. Let's talk about Lady A
Speaker 1: for a second, because I have a song here. You
Speaker 1: wrote seven seven Yeah, okay, seven seven bat So who'd
Speaker 1: you write that with? With Gordy Sampson and Carrie Barlow
Speaker 1: and so you write this song and was it for them? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It was actually the one song that we're like, hey,
Speaker 1: let's try and write for this person and then it
Speaker 1: actually worked. That never ever happened. I kind of I
Speaker 1: didn't know that, but I kind of felt that with
Speaker 1: that song. Yeah, Like I felt like that was a
Speaker 1: song written for them. Yeah, totally. We I mean, I don't.
Speaker 1: We definitely put on our lady a hat thinking hats
Speaker 1: when we wrote it. So and so you came on
Speaker 1: the show and you played like I'm Gonna Lose You acoustically,
Speaker 1: and before I knew that's my favorite Megan Trainer song
Speaker 1: because when I heard it, I was like, that song
Speaker 1: is so good like that and then when I again,
Speaker 1: I've just been kind of like a couple of times
Speaker 1: like reading about you and learning about you as I
Speaker 1: have the last few months, because it just started with
Speaker 1: me hearing Starifire that's again I just heard the record,
Speaker 1: was like, she's amazing. I gotta bring her in. But
Speaker 1: then just hearing the rest of your story, so you're
Speaker 1: right like I'm gonna Lose you with Megan. Yeah, with
Speaker 1: Megan before she had a record deal, so before she
Speaker 1: was Megan Trainer. Totally. You were just writing with Megan
Speaker 1: in with her because she had been writing a bunch
Speaker 1: with Justin Weaver, who we also wrote the song with.
Speaker 1: So good. I mean John Legend sings on that song
Speaker 1: like what the world this is not? Bizar? I don't
Speaker 1: understand have you met John? Oh? Not yet? Okay, Damn
Speaker 1: I don't want to turn this into the Bobby name dropping,
Speaker 1: but I I have a good story that I don't want
Speaker 1: to share them all the time. On the so we
Speaker 1: went and stayed. Um one of my best friends is
Speaker 1: Andy Roddy the tennis player, been my best one of
Speaker 1: my best friends for ten years or so. And so
Speaker 1: Meham and John went and stayed in the house and
Speaker 1: went to the Masters. And when John would By the way,
Speaker 1: John is so smart, like it's a different level of
Speaker 1: not even just music, but like life, Like he's reading
Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal and you know, I'm over here
Speaker 1: playing Pokemon. You know, before I'm just playing Pokemon or Tetris.
Speaker 1: There's something and he's a and so he's a We
Speaker 1: would shut up in the house when he would even
Speaker 1: go like we just we just shut up, like you
Speaker 1: just stopping and he's making a noise. You just let
Speaker 1: John make the noise. But such a nice guy and
Speaker 1: such a gentle guy. But and he plays Andy's charity
Speaker 1: event every other year too, So it's just one of
Speaker 1: those special people that are on earth that that's what
Speaker 1: they do. Chris is awesome too, like she's his wife,
Speaker 1: Christy taken like as normal without being normal as you
Speaker 1: can possibly be that I'm dying to meet there. They're cool, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you would like them. I don't want this is in
Speaker 1: the I just have I have a good story to tell.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you come in, like we get to share
Speaker 1: good stories. Good Okay. So now, so when you came in,
Speaker 1: you were way pregnant, and I was worried because it's
Speaker 1: like a couple of days from my dude, I don't
Speaker 1: know you're way pregnant. So I was like, hey can
Speaker 1: and I don't even know how we got in touch
Speaker 1: with each other. Okay, no, I do it now that
Speaker 1: I think about it. I played a song of yours
Speaker 1: on the air and I didn't tell anybody was going
Speaker 1: to do. I just played it and you email me
Speaker 1: and I was like, how did you get my email addressed? Yeah,
Speaker 1: someone gave me. I want thank you. It was my plist.
Speaker 1: How did they email? I have no idea people, I
Speaker 1: have my personal but I was like, I need to
Speaker 1: thank Bobby for talking about that song. And I saw
Speaker 1: this email and I was like, is this spam because
Speaker 1: nobody has this address? And it was you, and I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, now that you have my address. Somehow
Speaker 1: through some dark web. I don't know where do they go.
Speaker 1: I was like, you have to come up, So you
Speaker 1: come up. You played Tacoma, which we played earlier, and
Speaker 1: you play like I'm gonna lose you. I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you this song because I've on my Spotify and I
Speaker 1: used Spotify an Apple and I'm kind of back and
Speaker 1: forth on them. Um that record You're You're, It's one
Speaker 1: of the most played in mine in the last three
Speaker 1: or four months, like over and over, like I just
Speaker 1: I just love it. I do love it. But you know,
Speaker 1: do you think about me? Like? That is the yamn
Speaker 1: how they love day, make a job and mound and
Speaker 1: the same A baby heavy, how make love the time
Speaker 1: of the time, all the time? Do you think from me? Man?
Speaker 1: I nailed that part too. Do you think about I
Speaker 1: know that. I know you think I'm a total geek
Speaker 1: because I'm like such a fan here of of your stuff.
Speaker 1: It's so great, man, like before you call me baby
Speaker 1: like this is the first song on Star Far Starbarre
Speaker 1: and it is so good man, I mean, listen to
Speaker 1: the just listen to this for a second. Nobody talks.
Speaker 1: Stop stop talking. Right now we're talking to your friend
Speaker 1: to stop talking. Just listen to this for a night.
Speaker 1: Sure it's hot to remember laughing for you work in
Speaker 1: the picture, I was a sad monthly with the cookie
Speaker 1: friend standing on my platform waiting for marching. I was
Speaker 1: missed up, wounding, broke down something run and from my
Speaker 1: heart who's heartbroke heart up from long strength of bad
Speaker 1: dog surch and know and sorry this dog is called
Speaker 1: me bad so good before you can you see that
Speaker 1: I'm genuinely like, I'm like, this is the most fun
Speaker 1: for me. This is the most fun for me. So,
Speaker 1: um Starfire is I hope people buy it and don't
Speaker 1: stream it. By the way, she won't say I will
Speaker 1: be buying because you don't make any money I'm streaming. Um.
Speaker 1: So the record is there now, I'm assuming it's going
Speaker 1: to be completed. Yeah, totally. So the goal is we
Speaker 1: just I wanted to release songs. I was ready, you know.
Speaker 1: I want to release some songs and a baby and
Speaker 1: do you know, do something before the baby, and then
Speaker 1: we'll finish the record probably the beginning of next year.
Speaker 1: We're kind of working it out because I've known this
Speaker 1: all myself right now with no label and I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to get my music. Are
Speaker 1: people like like throwing the line out there a bit now,
Speaker 1: As far as label wise, it's still tough for girls.
Speaker 1: It's very tough kind of you know what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: It is a little bit genre lists. If you think
Speaker 1: about this record, it's not totally it's not country radio,
Speaker 1: but it's not like and so I don't know. I
Speaker 1: love that you're not chasing it though, that that's that's
Speaker 1: how you make it. But how you make it, you
Speaker 1: don't chase it. I mean, it's the same thing with Marin.
Speaker 1: She didn't chase crap. She just did what Marion was like,
Speaker 1: screw man. I'm going yes. And I was talking and
Speaker 1: I don't even mind saying his name. But I am
Speaker 1: a big Ryan Herd fan, Oh my god, because Ryan
Speaker 1: writes like crazy, like Ryan writes like I love his writing.
Speaker 1: And so Ryan and I have become buds and oddly
Speaker 1: their boyfriend and girlfriend, but it really has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with each other. And when I tell their story,
Speaker 1: Ryan is such a nice guy and he's like, you know,
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm a part of the universe kind of guy.
Speaker 1: And so we had the same talk and it was
Speaker 1: like dude, just do you don't Chase And he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm not. He said, I'm just and he has a
Speaker 1: song that we do us. It is such the jam, dude,
Speaker 1: it's the jam. It's and I play it and it's
Speaker 1: not a single and I played everyone. I'm just like, man,
Speaker 1: it's not even available to download yet, but it's still
Speaker 1: such the jam. It's like I'm Vibo and there's but
Speaker 1: like I root for people like that that don't put
Speaker 1: themselves in a position to where they think they're supposed
Speaker 1: to be and those people that either make it hit
Speaker 1: home runs or strike out much other strike out. Be
Speaker 1: it myself then getting a double knot absolutely, I mean
Speaker 1: that was like the lesson that I learned, like living
Speaker 1: here the last seven years. Like you know, when I
Speaker 1: made that record and all the labels said no, you know,
Speaker 1: because I was trying to do this thing, and I
Speaker 1: kind of sat back after I had a few of
Speaker 1: those rounds with the labels and a few of those
Speaker 1: nose and I was like, what am I doing wrong here? Well,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be something. I'm trying to be something
Speaker 1: maybe like trying to conjure up something, and maybe I
Speaker 1: just need to do what I love and just make
Speaker 1: that be what I put out. And so that's what
Speaker 1: this this ended up being, this record. It's just what
Speaker 1: the songs that I loved. I didn't think about radio
Speaker 1: and think about any like even production wise. We're like,
Speaker 1: let's just make music that we want to listen to.
Speaker 1: And it's my favorite stuff that I've ever been a
Speaker 1: part of. I'm just so excited about it. So, Mike,
Speaker 1: how long we into this? With a few minutes left?
Speaker 1: So I would encourage a body to buy Starfire and
Speaker 1: then get the worst even stream and I guess just
Speaker 1: go to shows if she comes around. So let's let's
Speaker 1: talk about a few other things. So you had the baby, yeah, seventh, seventh, yep.
Speaker 1: And I mean he's like three and a half weeks now.
Speaker 1: It's been amazing, really, you know. I think I think
Speaker 1: I overprepared for it to just be awful and never
Speaker 1: sleep ever again and this just to be this monster
Speaker 1: and that, but it's really been quite heavenly. He sleeps great,
Speaker 1: and I just love it. Do you just specially do
Speaker 1: you stare at him and just go I didn't know
Speaker 1: that I could love something like this. It's unbelievable. Yes,
Speaker 1: like most of the day is spent or just staring
Speaker 1: and like, oh maybe I should our kind of smell pad.
Speaker 1: So it sounds like priorities changed if showering is one
Speaker 1: of those things you think about. Thirdly, yeah, absolutely, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. Has it changed, like do you want do
Speaker 1: you want to write songs now about your baby? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well I think that it definitely has kind of opened
Speaker 1: up this whole new world of flag feeling in my heart,
Speaker 1: Like this whole it's a whole another like pile of
Speaker 1: experience and things to draw from. Um, so I've never
Speaker 1: known I'm asking you for advice? Then should I just
Speaker 1: get someone pregnant? Probably? Okay, cool, but you might make
Speaker 1: that babies are the best, man. So have you been
Speaker 1: able to go out and have like a dinner with it?
Speaker 1: So you've done that? You? Yeah, I left the baby
Speaker 1: with Grandma like a couple of times, and my husband
Speaker 1: and a dig each other and we're like, we like
Speaker 1: this baby, but we like to be us too. So
Speaker 1: it's great. I mean, it's been good so far. Is
Speaker 1: it hard to get a right with you? Since I'm
Speaker 1: listening to and and be as honest is you can
Speaker 1: or want to be. But I would assume after all
Speaker 1: this success that it's hard for someone to go, hey, Kaylen,
Speaker 1: would you write a song with me? Well? If I
Speaker 1: I love to hear, like if there's a new writer
Speaker 1: that comes to town and like, you know, would want
Speaker 1: to get together. I love to hear what they're doing
Speaker 1: because for me, like when I get in the riding room,
Speaker 1: it's so much about vibe on who they are and
Speaker 1: what they're doing, and if it's like if they're making
Speaker 1: music that I'm crushing on done, like I want to
Speaker 1: I want to be there and jam out with them,
Speaker 1: like that's awesome. Um, but I don't know, You're kind
Speaker 1: of hard to get it right with, aren't you. You're
Speaker 1: kind of hard to get it right. That's that's kind
Speaker 1: of hard to get it right with. That's word on
Speaker 1: the street is just kind of hard to get it
Speaker 1: right with. Uh. Well, thank you, Mike. Cast three questions.
Speaker 1: We usually start with it, but I got so into it.
Speaker 1: You can't make all friends because I'm just so blown
Speaker 1: away by that song. Like I love that song so much. Mike,
Speaker 1: you have three odd questions to go ahead? What number one?
Speaker 1: What's your favorite Starbucks drink? Oh, Okay, So when it's
Speaker 1: hot and sweaty, a rock a latte with coconut milk.
Speaker 1: When it's winter, just the biggest Americano in the land.
Speaker 1: You don't get into the pumpkin spice. No, dude, that's
Speaker 1: just like extra cows. I don't really want to do alright.
Speaker 1: Question number two, what's the picture on your lock screen
Speaker 1: on your phone? I just changed it actually today. It's
Speaker 1: a picture of my husband holding our baby, and it's
Speaker 1: the gudest I can't even do. That's a good question.
Speaker 1: Question three, what's your favorite thing to cook? Oh? My
Speaker 1: favorite thing to cook. I love the bake and so
Speaker 1: if you know, I bake banana bread, cookies, all of
Speaker 1: the real naughty stuff that I love that. So I
Speaker 1: don't know. But if I'm gonna bake you dinner, probably chicken.
Speaker 1: I'll do chicken. Do you cook? Yeah? Yeah, we both do.
Speaker 1: We kind of get it to it together. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I love cooking. Come over, seriously, so much fun. Thank
Speaker 1: you for coming by. I really appreciate you coming to
Speaker 1: the house. Sorry, but it looks it's like a bombs
Speaker 1: blown up in here, right, No, it's not. Nobody lives
Speaker 1: in this building with me right now. And that's always
Speaker 1: embarrassed because when you get off the elevator to come
Speaker 1: to my floor, it's it's nothing but ripped up concrete
Speaker 1: and tort walls. Yeah, totally, and you're like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: don't know what part of time right now, but why
Speaker 1: am I walking into It's just it's just scary. So
Speaker 1: it is. Hopefully I were getting that fixed soon. But
Speaker 1: thanks for coming to the house totally, thanks for having me,
Speaker 1: and I want to have you back up on the
Speaker 1: show and play. Here is an indicator. It's just just
Speaker 1: a data, an indicator that you can tell how you're
Speaker 1: doing with people, because the biggest piece of research for
Speaker 1: me that I find is what people spend their money on,
Speaker 1: so you can do whatever you can do. And everybody's
Speaker 1: research on all kinds of stuff. You know, they're pulling
Speaker 1: for presidential elections, they do research on radio songs, do
Speaker 1: all these things. To me, what I like at is
Speaker 1: what people spend their money on. You came in on
Speaker 1: our show and you played Tacoma, and frankly speaking, it's
Speaker 1: not like you've had a lot of radio play, right,
Speaker 1: not not at all. Really. We saw I saw the
Speaker 1: record go from you know front of the to number
Speaker 1: one on the singer song just like that from one
Speaker 1: play I'm not and that's zero percent me. That's our
Speaker 1: listeners going. I love it. It took them one here
Speaker 1: and they all went and bought it. So I hope
Speaker 1: for you that you take away from that that what
Speaker 1: you're doing, it's just it's just right. And if it's
Speaker 1: right for a country radio, who knows if it's right
Speaker 1: for what, But it's just right. And people speak with
Speaker 1: their money because we don't have a lot of it.
Speaker 1: It's not like we can walk around just going cash
Speaker 1: out everywhere exactly. So what you're what you're doing is
Speaker 1: it's just right. And I hope you I know you're
Speaker 1: gonna keep doing it just so true. I love it.
Speaker 1: I'm such a nerd on this intera. It's like I'm
Speaker 1: in the Caitlin fan club and I finally got to
Speaker 1: get talk Oh my God by Starfire. Listen to it.
Speaker 1: If you comes to Talent, you us far you. Caleb
Speaker 1: brought me a really nice gift and I haven't had
Speaker 1: time to really spend. Yeah, I'll probably hug it all
Speaker 1: night tonight. But it's a picture of us together in
Speaker 1: the studio right, and then you handwrote the lyrics to Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: that's cool. I'm probably just gonna put on the pillar
Speaker 1: time all right? By Starfire. Listen to Starfire and even
Speaker 1: aside from Caitlin, support the artist that you really like.
Speaker 1: Let's getting harder and harder for since it gets harder
Speaker 1: and harder and harder and harder for you know, artists,
Speaker 1: to make it means less artists, It means so support
Speaker 1: what you love. And Caitlin, thanks for coming to the house.
Speaker 1: Really appreciate it. I hope it is fun for you. Oh,
Speaker 1: I love it. It was awesome. This isn't weird. We're
Speaker 1: in a bedroom in the studio. All right, we're gonna
Speaker 1: wrap it up there. It is all right. Thank you
Speaker 1: guys for being part of the Bobby Cast episode number five.
Speaker 1: Right stuff I Mike our guest. It's been Caitlin Smith.
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