WEBVTT - 9-1: Bobby Cast Ep. 5 (Caitlyn Smith) 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:04.640 All right, welcome to episode five of the Bobby Cast. 0:00:05.640 --> 0:00:09.040 Thank you all here as we broadcast by my house star. 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:13.039 I guest this week is Caitlin Smith. Hello, Caitlin, Hello, Bobby. Hey, 0:00:13.039 --> 0:00:15.640 what do your friends call you? Do? They call you Caitlin, Kate? 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:19.239 Cait The people closest in your life call you what 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:24.880 they call me Kate Kate? Yeah, totally, but on stage 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:27.480 and my grandma's the only one that calls me Katie. 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:29.440 I don't know. She gets she gets to do that. 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:31.319 When people ask you what you do for a living? 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:35.320 What do you say, um, songwriter? You say a songwriter? First, 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:37.839 I don't know, So you're a song yeah, because I 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:40.040 feel like artist is like I'm an artist, I don't know, 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:43.520 But a songwriter it's easier. Do you ever say singer? Songwriter? 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:46.280 But sometimes? Yeah, I brought you in because I heard 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:48.480 you sing and I was like, I was blown away 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:50.400 and I was like, wow, she is so good. And 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:53.360 for those that I didn't hear Caitlin on the show, 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:56.120 she came in and this is live on our show, 0:00:56.240 --> 0:00:59.240 and she played a song called Tacoma, which is on Starfire, 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:01.520 which I guess I just kind of fell in love 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:04.520 with the whole ep that you put hot and we didn't. 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:06.680 We didn't know each other, like this isn't something where 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:08.480 we met. And I was like, hey, buddy, coming in, 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:11.080 Like I was really just so moved by the music, 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:14.200 which my job and my company allowed me to do. 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:16.679 Just go, hey, come in, let's do this. And so 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:19.880 here is from our show. This is some of Tacoma 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:24.959 Caitlin playing in the studio mouth and on the floor. 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:32.880 I am needed back up my bags and walk around 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:39.640 out of the door. This is goodbye. I rolled the 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:46.040 windows down on my Green show. I don't know I'm good. 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:54.760 I'll just know it can't stay my maid get to Momphis. 0:01:55.480 --> 0:02:02.960 What is that? Ain't favingen ah sweed on the hall. 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:09.520 It's sosa Zula so fast that the who can catch 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:12.240 Like I was like I had chilled bumps on my arms. 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:14.359 And I'm lucky enough and I don't understand pomish you. 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:16.360 I don't just say this. I'm lucky enough that I 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:18.000 get to bring people in all the time, Like if 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:20.239 I find something that I like, I get to bring 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:22.400 it in and kind of show it off to We 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:25.080 have about five million listeners all over the country and 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:27.240 so for me. I was like, man, this is so good, 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:29.480 and a little bit I was nervous because when I 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:31.800 bring in someone that's not known, the bosses are like 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:36.040 all right. And our biggest boss was sitting in the 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:39.280 studio when you were playing, like the head of the format, 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:43.160 and when you left, he was like, holy crap. And 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:45.240 so I do want to talk about this song first 0:02:55.160 --> 0:03:02.800 speed on the zula so fast that the hood can 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:05.639 catch up. Because the first time I heard it, because 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:08.280 I'm such a big Garth Brooks fan. Yeah, the first 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:10.960 time I heard it was on Garth Brooks last album, 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:15.079 right yeah, against totally, and so I heard the song 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:16.679 and I was like, man, that's a really good song. 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:18.160 And then I heard you do it and I thought, 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:20.520 is she taking a Garth Brooks song or was that 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:22.760 a Garth Brooks song. I didn't know what had happened. 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:25.119 So he wrote the song, yeah totally. Me and Bob 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:28.720 Dapiro wrote it a few years ago, and and then 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:32.200 my publisher pitched it to Garth um He when he 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:34.160 was looking for songs for that record. He actually like 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:36.560 set up an email account was like g B pitch 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:38.960 at yahoo dot com and then gave it to all 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:41.120 the publishers, and so they got a direct line. He 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:44.080 listened to like all of the songs that he got 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:46.880 pitched to him. Um, so yeah, and then he so 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:49.280 tell me how it works. So you send Garth Brooks 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:51.560 this song called Tacoma, and did you ever find on 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:54.880 keeping it for yourself? I did. It was hard to 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:58.200 go here's here it is somebody else, not not because 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:00.720 because my publisher called me was like, hey, I know 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:04.080 that you this is your song, but Garth Brooks really 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:06.480 wants to sing it. You're not gonna say no. I 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:09.520 mean it's like to me that that was like, it's 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:12.480 the highest honor as a songwriter when somebody else wants 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:14.880 to record your song. And I grew up on Garth 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:18.039 and Tricia and like you know, nineties country, and so 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:23.400 it was like, yeah, he can sink. So he puts 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:26.400 it on hold. I'm assuming yeah, okay. And so when 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:28.359 when a song goes on hold, We've had this conversation 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:33.440 before with artists, it means maybe maybe maybe it's like 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:36.240 I like this, let me just hold it just in case. 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:39.479 So was there a long period of him holding it, 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:41.039 You're not knowing if he was going to cut it, 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:43.520 or was he like this. It was pretty quickly after, 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:45.599 like he said he wanted to do it, and then 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:48.800 he went into the studio. I mean maybe a month 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:51.000 or so, so it wasn't very long. When you hear 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:53.839 Garth sing a song that you wrote the first time, 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:58.800 it's crazy, right, it's crazy. I can't even there's like 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:02.440 I do words for my job, and there aren't words 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:06.720 to explain what that feels like. It's unreal. So the 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:09.960 record again is called Starfire, her latest I'll tell you 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:12.840 my quick Garth Brooks story. So he's my favorite too. Ever, 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:16.840 like he's my favorite, like watching him live, I just weep. 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:20.280 When you watch him live, you understand why he's the 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:23.680 greatest of all time. Like it's not just the amazing 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:25.960 songs and the his ability to pick the right songs, 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:30.919 but when he performs, you're just like, if you watch 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:32.640 this and you don't get it, then you're just not 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:35.680 going to get anything ever, because it's that good. And 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:39.520 so we did a comedy record um our band, the 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:42.119 Raging Gidiots, and we're not that good, but we wrote 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:45.880 a comedy record and I wrote this song and it 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:47.840 was called Fishing with my Dad. And so I wrote 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:50.039 this and it was never I was never ever gonna. 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:53.200 I don't consider myself a songwriter. I'm a comedy writer. 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:56.000 There's so many good songwriters in this town that if 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:59.360 I consider myself a songwriter, then I'm doing the songwriters 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:01.640 and injustice and that's how I feel. So I'm a 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:04.440 comedy writer. So I wrote this song and it wasn't funny, 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:05.919 and it was called Fishing with my Dad and it 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:09.000 was about me not having a dad growing up and 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:11.320 my stepdad coming into my life later and I finally 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:12.960 got to go fishing with my dad and that was 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:15.920 the whole story. And so the head of my label says, 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:18.160 I would like for you to record this song. I say, 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:20.000 it's a comedy record. I don't want to put the 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:22.120 song on Like you can have it, you can throw 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:24.880 it away, you can pitch it whatever, but I don't 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:26.839 want it. And so he says, well, what would it 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:28.320 take to cut? I said, well, if Garth Brooks would 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:32.000 sing it, I would do it. I mean, Garth Brooks 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:33.840 is never gonna sing a song with me. Well, like 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:35.920 a month later I come in and it was Garth. 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:37.920 He's like, I'm gonna sing this song, so on the record, 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:40.400 on the record, it's Garth Brooks. We're singing in this 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:45.400 song together and it's it was so insane to hear 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:47.719 it once it was recording our voices together. I was 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:49.840 just like, this isn't even the real world. What is 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:53.560 going on? Yeah? He was singing words that I wrote 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:56.080 and I'm not I'm not even you like I'm far 0:06:56.200 --> 0:07:00.080 from you. So it's just a real whenever our e 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:05.240 rose do something and just involve us period like So 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:08.240 that's that's Tacoma, do you know? And here is the 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:10.840 thing of all of your songs and I kind of 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:13.440 want to go through um a lot of the songs 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:16.840 that you've written before we talk about your your record. 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:20.360 Now there's one song of yours that I didn't know 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:23.240 you wrote until recently, and it's like one of the 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:25.760 best songs that I and I went on the air 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:29.320 and was yelling and like I normally do at the 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:31.960 c m AE years ago to open the c m 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:33.960 as with this song, I was like, you have to 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:35.640 play this song at the beginning. It would be such 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:37.880 a great open. I had no idea you wrote this 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:41.400 song and it was the Dolly and Kenny Roger song 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:55.520 you Can't Make Old Friends. This song is so good 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:06.360 your care Free. That song makes me feel so like emotional, 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:09.480 and I still cried when I hear Dolly Parton, Like, 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:13.520 are you kidding me? You've ever written songs for Garth 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:16.040 to sing, and you have Kenny and Dolly singing a 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:28.320 song together. I love this song so much, Free and 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:37.440 would you lend me since way back your care again? 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:40.200 I get like the little hair standing up? That's so good? 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:51.199 What st Peter the game? Eddy you come, I'll be 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:59.080 just ringing for you cool. You can't make cold like 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:00.720 a little bit. I'm geaking out that you're sitting here 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:05.760 with me right now. This is this is so crazy, okay, 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:08.160 so tell me about this. You can't make all friends. 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:11.880 Who'd you write this with? I wrote this with Don Schlitz, 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:15.280 who is one of my songwriting heroes. When I moved 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:18.240 to town. Um, my publisher set us up and then 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:20.400 Don kind of took me under his wing and taught 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:24.679 me a ton about songwriting. We've written dozens of songs together. Um, 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:27.560 and so this song. Um. He had just been inducted 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:29.840 into a songwriter Hall of Fame like the week before, 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:32.520 and Kenny was there, and so Kenny approached him and 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:34.440 said Hey, Don, I have a title for you. I'd 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:37.120 like you to write. Um, it's you Can't make Old 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:40.240 Friends and um. And so I happened to be the 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:43.439 lucky Lady on the books with Don that next week, 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:46.280 and so Don comes to me and was like, hey, 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:48.160 I've got this title. Would you like to write a 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:54.120 few you know, ideas for Kenny Rogers today? And it's like, okay, 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:57.960 so good. Crazy, and so we just, I mean, we 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:00.840 really did our best. And um, and Don is such 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:04.040 a I call him my Yoda. He's just like he's 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:07.120 a lyrical genius. Um. So Don just you know, sat 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:10.720 behind his desk and and worked the genius lyrics and 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:14.520 and you know, I did melody stuff and and uh 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:17.520 we sent it to Kenny like that day. We emailed 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:19.200 it to him. We didn't hear anything for like six 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:23.200 months or something. Six months months. It was crazy and 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:24.959 we were like, oops, I guess he didn't like that. 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:28.320 Oh well, and then you know I heard I heard 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:31.760 that Kenny had cut it, um, you know about that time. 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:34.720 And then but I didn't really hear much. And then 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:37.280 I remember I was sitting with my publisher at breakfast 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:42.440 on April Fool's Day and he told me, hey, April, no, 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:46.040 but she told me that Kenny did a duet and 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:49.000 it's with Dolly Parton and I just freaked out, and 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:52.760 um I called him like multiple times that day. I'm like, 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:55.360 this is an apile fools joke. I'm going to kill you. 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:58.679 And it ended up not being a joke. And they 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:02.640 saying the duet to celebrate their thirty years of duetting together, 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:06.720 which is beyond me. I can't believe it. It's so 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:09.760 so crazy. So have you met them. I've gotten to 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:13.280 meet Kenny, but not Dolly yet. You can't make on that. 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:16.000 And I was playing that on our show and I 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:17.559 was just playing it over and over. I was like, guys, 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:20.600 this is like next level songwriting stuff. When when it 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:24.960 came out to Year two two years ago, years ago, Yeah, 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:26.719 And when I read again, because I know a lot 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:28.240 of the newer stuff and I know your stuff, I 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:29.839 didn't know you wrote that song until and I was 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:32.920 just blown away. I was like, whoa, I can't believe 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:36.920 kind of wrote that song. So you've had Kenny and 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:39.360 Dolly sing a song you wrote. You've had Garth Brooks 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:41.600 sing a song on your wrote. Let's go back to 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:44.400 the beginning. So you moved to town when I went 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:48.640 to town about seven years ago. Um, and yeah, I 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:51.360 got married and my husband is a writer as well, 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:54.400 and we both packed up our bags from Minnesota and 0:11:54.600 --> 0:12:00.280 moved down here. Um and I uh um to do? 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:03.280 What did you move down to? Sing? Or did? So? 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:05.360 I had a publishing deal and that's what that's what 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:07.880 moved us down here. So a publishing deal is for 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:10.720 those listening, it means they give you X amount of 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:13.280 dollars and you turn an X amount of songs, right exactly. 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:15.520 And the weird thing about a publishing deal is, let's 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:18.640 say they want ten songs a year. If you write 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:20.240 a song with a co writer and you turn a song, 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:22.520 and that's only half a song. If you write it 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:24.880 with two people, that's only one third of a song. 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:28.000 So really ten songs, it was like twenty five songs totally. 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:30.520 But if you're if you're a staff songwriter, you're really 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:32.320 writing three to five days a week, and so you 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:35.079 can get to a hundred songs pretty easily. I would say. 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:37.400 So you were a staff songwriter, meaning when you went 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:42.400 to work quote unquote work makeup stuff. You go in 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:46.520 every day to write songs yeah, totally amazing. So you 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:49.480 moved from Minnesota, your your husband and yourself. Of the 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:55.520 two of you, who's a better songwriter? So you're both 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:59.960 song right? Is there ever that competitive? No? I don't think. 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:01.800 You don't think. So now it's up. We're just tearing 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:05.320 each other on and it's exciting, like same team, same dream. 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:07.240 I mean, I guess if you share a bank account 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:10.240 and kind of a yeah, it really is awesome. So 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:14.600 you moved to town. Was your aspiration to be an artist? 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:18.120 Who like a singer? Yeah? And so I actually started, 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:20.800 you know, singing when I was a little girl, and 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:24.080 you know, I always wanted to be the performer. Um, 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:25.800 but when I started coming to Nashville, you know, I 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:28.600 was about sixteen years old, and I kind of got 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:33.400 to see that writing good songs is the real, really 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:35.440 only way that you're going to have like a long 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:39.200 career as an artist. Like and so you know, my 0:13:39.280 --> 0:13:41.640 trips back and forth, like I kind of worked on writing, 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:45.160 and um, I don't know. It's also the Ben Affleck 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:47.760 Matt Damon way of making it. You can create your 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:52.000 own success if you write great songs, whereas if you're 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:55.240 not a writer, you really have to rely on having 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:57.280 a great ear and hoping you get to the great 0:13:57.280 --> 0:14:00.880 songs first, right where if you can create them yourself. 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:03.880 I mean, that's the longevity of it. Yeah, totally. There 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:05.360 aren't a lot of Garth Brooks As a matter of fact, 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:08.480 there are no other Garth brooks Is or George Straits. 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:11.960 It's rare that people can just pick great songs over 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:14.040 and over again. So you moved to down and you 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:17.560 start writing. How long from when you moved and said, okay, 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:20.160 I'm committing to this until you got like a real 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:22.120 artist to cut a song of yours. Yeah, I mean 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:24.240 I had. I had done the trip back and forth 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:28.840 from Minnesota to Nashville from sixteen to twenty three. So 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:31.400 that was a lot of years of just you know, 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:33.880 trying seven years, flying back and forth, Yeah, flying back 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:36.880 and forth. But then once I got my publishing deal, Um, 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:39.880 I got my first cut within a year. Okay, is 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:41.960 that quick? I would say, it is quick? Yeah. Yeah, 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:44.560 So what if you think about the seven years before 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:46.840 I build it? I mean, really that's seven kind though, 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:51.520 that's kind of school. Yeah, totally, that's the Yeah. So 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:53.880 your first cut, which means someone puts it on their 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:56.800 record and who is that Jason alde and what was 0:14:56.800 --> 0:15:13.880 the song? It ain't easy? So al Deane at this 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:17.360 point probably wasn't Al Dean that we know now, right, 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:21.400 I think this record really so you didn't even know, 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:24.920 not really because I wasn't because he wasn't. He was 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:27.440 just this new artist. Yeah, totally. So you get a 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:30.800 call and this guy named Jason Aldan funny name, it 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:32.600 looks a little different than everybody else, wants to cut 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:36.080 your song, and you think what I was like, yay, 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:39.160 I gotta cut. That's what you're supposed to do the job. So, 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:42.080 I mean I was stoked. I didn't care who it was. 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:45.600 I wanted to sing my song. That rules. Okay, So 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:46.960 you hear it for the first time, and it's gotta 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:50.120 be weird to hear somebody else sing your song because 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:52.480 you wrote it with your voice and how you feel 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:55.800 it should sound, because you don't sound like Jason Aldean, right, 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:57.960 And this demo actually was a guy. It was like 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:01.080 one of the one songs that the dude in the 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:03.560 room saying the demo. So, so what that means is 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:06.760 so you you wrote this with someone else and he 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:09.800 sang and that's the song that Jason heard, Yeah totally. 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:11.600 So when you heard this back, what did you think? 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:14.160 I mean, I thought it sounded awesome. I don't know, 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:17.600 you're just like this, this is awesome. So the first 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:20.280 song you had was it Ain't Easy from Jason Aldana. 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:33.240 So that's cool. Then Jason blows up, now it is 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:36.960 that wasn't a single that was on the record. So 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:39.080 when you're on the record and it's not a single, 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:41.240 do you make much money off of just having an 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:44.600 album cut? No? You make like it's nine cents per 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:47.160 units old, and if you you've just split that up 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:50.040 with half of half ghost your publisher, and then split 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:52.880 up with the writer. So that's like a penny but 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:57.160 at least but now you have a Jason al Dean 0:16:57.280 --> 0:17:01.240 song though, yeah like that as far as currency goes, Okay, 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:03.120 maybe you didn't make a lot of money, but your 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:06.040 currency is now I have a Jason Aldine cut. I 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:08.680 can work with better writers. Now, would you say that's fair? 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:11.560 That's absolutely what happens. Yeah, So you get that song, 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:15.000 continue writing, what's the what's the second song you wrote 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:18.159 that was picked up by another artist? So because of 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:20.639 that Aldane song getting cut, you know, you get in 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:22.680 the room with better people, and so I was able 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:24.680 to get in the room with one of the Rascal Flats, 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:28.720 which one with Jada Marcus is those guys are so 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:34.520 fun amazing. Yeah, yeah, I still so um. Gary and 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:37.359 I lived very close to each other and different part 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:39.879 of I don't even say where Gary list, but Gary 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:41.680 I lived very close to each other. So we would 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:43.400 see each other all the time. We would hit golf 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:45.720 balls together, we'd work out together, and Gary the box 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:47.439 the late sing of the Rascal Flats would work out 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:51.600 in full camouflage, in full camouflage like he was in 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:53.920 a tree stand and I'd walk up to him, like, Gary, 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:55.199 this is all you have to work out in and 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:57.720 he was like that's what I was wearing. Yeah, exactly. 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:03.360 And so you write a song and Rascal Flats they 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:05.439 put it on hold, they cut it and what was 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:09.760 it called called let it hurt, Let it hurt, let it, 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:19.399 let it take it, let it degree may not be 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:30.800 about that's what you need sometimes turn the world and 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:36.040 let it. So look at these stars that are that 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:39.800 are singing your song. It's like for about two years, 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:42.200 really Rascal Flats were one of not just country, one 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:45.480 of like the top three biggest acts in music period, 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:48.000 Like we forget because in our society we move on 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:49.800 from thing to things, like we don't even care about 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:52.200 Ryan Locktey anymore. That's how fast we move, like we 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:54.200 don't we don't care about Ryan Do that just happen? 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:57.320 That was cool for a minute, But Rascal Flats was 0:18:57.400 --> 0:19:00.280 the biggest thing for a long time. So they sing 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:03.640 your song, and here's a question for you as they 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:06.040 put it on their record, are you in your heart 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:10.159 hoping please be a single? Please please go on the radio? Yes, 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:13.199 every time. And this one also did not go on 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:17.040 the radio exactly. Okay, so you've got two cuts, which 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:20.880 is you've got us on the outing cuts and the Flats. 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:24.720 You're still waiting on that radio song. Are you making 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:27.359 enough money though writing between your husband to get by 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:30.479 writing just right? Yeah? Totally. I mean it was my husband. 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:32.120 We decided I was going to have a writer deal. 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:34.879 He's going to own his publishing, and so you know, 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:38.680 we made it work on like it's like a teacher's salary. 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:42.080 But you loved what you were doing, and that's I mean, really, 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:47.120 that's all that matters, because if you love what you do, 0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:49.520 you work harder at it. And when you work really 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:52.400 hard at something you love, you're going to be successful 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:54.439 because you're not going to give up. And it just 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:57.280 sounds and just listening to your story, Okay, you have 0:19:57.359 --> 0:19:59.200 to Okay, you got out and you have the flats. 0:19:59.760 --> 0:20:02.280 What the next song you wrote? So the next song 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:06.200 the artist picks up. Yeah. So and at this point, um, 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:08.040 in being a town, I've been in town for a 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:10.040 couple of years now, and I was kind of ready 0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:12.120 to like, okay, is this cool? People are recording my songs? 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:14.159 But I really want to sing something my songs. So 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:17.560 I ended up making going in and making a record 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:21.119 and started pitching my music around town. Um, I made 0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:25.000 like a ten song record, so I have a record. 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:28.440 How So I didn't get a record deal. I met 0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:31.480 with all of these labels and and instead of getting 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:33.919 a record deal, I end up getting two top tens 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:38.520 off of that record that other artists. So the record 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:41.840 that you went in with had songs on it that 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:44.199 I'm going to play in a second that ended up 0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:47.679 being top ten songs for other artists. Yeah, totally. The 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:49.720 weird thing to me is and it's weird how the 0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:52.000 world works itself out. And now the universe falls into place? 0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:56.240 Is that as you sing and I hear you sing, 0:20:56.280 --> 0:20:59.600 I think I don't know many people that can do that, 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:03.560 they can say that that songwriting aside, because when I 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:05.200 brought you in, it was because I heard your record 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:07.000 and was just moved by your record, like simply that 0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:09.679 was it. Didn't know any history, didn't really want to 0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:11.720 know because I like to discover it myself. I like 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:15.359 to like pull the question I'd like to learn. It's 0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:19.360 crazy to think that these labels, but here are you sing, 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:22.400 have these great songs and say no, we're gonna pass. 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:25.400 Why do you think that was? I don't know. Part 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:28.199 of me thinks now being where I'm at now with 0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:30.119 the record that I've made now, like part of me 0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:34.119 thinks I was kind of almost trying to fit inside 0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:36.640 of something like I was like, I'm going to try 0:21:36.680 --> 0:21:38.919 to write country music for radio, and I think a 0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:42.560 lot of people get into that ship. And people come 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:46.080 to me yesterday and I won't mention who, but yesterday 0:21:46.119 --> 0:21:49.919