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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to episode five of the Bobby Cast.

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Speaker 1: Thank you all here as we broadcast by my house star.

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Speaker 1: I guest this week is Caitlin Smith. Hello, Caitlin, Hello, Bobby. Hey,

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Speaker 1: what do your friends call you? Do? They call you Caitlin, Kate?

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Speaker 1: Cait The people closest in your life call you what

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Speaker 1: they call me Kate Kate? Yeah, totally, but on stage

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Speaker 1: and my grandma's the only one that calls me Katie.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. She gets she gets to do that.

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Speaker 1: When people ask you what you do for a living?

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Speaker 1: What do you say, um, songwriter? You say a songwriter? First,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, So you're a song yeah, because I

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Speaker 1: feel like artist is like I'm an artist, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: But a songwriter it's easier. Do you ever say singer? Songwriter?

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Speaker 1: But sometimes? Yeah, I brought you in because I heard

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Speaker 1: you sing and I was like, I was blown away

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Speaker 1: and I was like, wow, she is so good. And

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Speaker 1: for those that I didn't hear Caitlin on the show,

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Speaker 1: she came in and this is live on our show,

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Speaker 1: and she played a song called Tacoma, which is on Starfire,

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Speaker 1: which I guess I just kind of fell in love

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Speaker 1: with the whole ep that you put hot and we didn't.

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Speaker 1: We didn't know each other, like this isn't something where

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Speaker 1: we met. And I was like, hey, buddy, coming in,

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Speaker 1: Like I was really just so moved by the music,

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Speaker 1: which my job and my company allowed me to do.

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Speaker 1: Just go, hey, come in, let's do this. And so

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Speaker 1: here is from our show. This is some of Tacoma

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Speaker 1: Caitlin playing in the studio mouth and on the floor.

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Speaker 1: I am needed back up my bags and walk around

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Speaker 1: out of the door. This is goodbye. I rolled the

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Speaker 1: windows down on my Green show. I don't know I'm good.

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Speaker 1: I'll just know it can't stay my maid get to Momphis.

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Speaker 1: What is that? Ain't favingen ah sweed on the hall.

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Speaker 1: It's sosa Zula so fast that the who can catch

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Speaker 1: Like I was like I had chilled bumps on my arms.

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Speaker 1: And I'm lucky enough and I don't understand pomish you.

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Speaker 1: I don't just say this. I'm lucky enough that I

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Speaker 1: get to bring people in all the time, Like if

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Speaker 1: I find something that I like, I get to bring

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Speaker 1: it in and kind of show it off to We

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Speaker 1: so for me. I was like, man, this is so good,

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Speaker 1: and a little bit I was nervous because when I

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Speaker 1: bring in someone that's not known, the bosses are like

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Speaker 1: all right. And our biggest boss was sitting in the

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Speaker 1: and when you left, he was like, holy crap. And

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Speaker 1: so I do want to talk about this song first

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Speaker 1: speed on the zula so fast that the hood can

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Speaker 1: catch up. Because the first time I heard it, because

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Speaker 1: I'm such a big Garth Brooks fan. Yeah, the first

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Speaker 1: time I heard it was on Garth Brooks last album,

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Speaker 1: right yeah, against totally, and so I heard the song

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Speaker 1: and I was like, man, that's a really good song.

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Speaker 1: And then I heard you do it and I thought,

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Speaker 1: a Garth Brooks song. I didn't know what had happened.

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Speaker 1: So he wrote the song, yeah totally. Me and Bob

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Speaker 1: Dapiro wrote it a few years ago, and and then

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Speaker 1: my publisher pitched it to Garth um He when he

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Speaker 1: was looking for songs for that record. He actually like

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Speaker 1: the publishers, and so they got a direct line. He

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Speaker 1: tell me how it works. So you send Garth Brooks

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Speaker 1: this song called Tacoma, and did you ever find on

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Speaker 1: keeping it for yourself? I did. It was hard to

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Speaker 1: because my publisher called me was like, hey, I know

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Speaker 1: that you this is your song, but Garth Brooks really

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Speaker 1: mean it's like to me that that was like, it's

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Speaker 1: it was like, yeah, he can sink. So he puts

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Speaker 1: So was there a long period of him holding it,

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Speaker 1: You're not knowing if he was going to cut it,

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Speaker 1: I do words for my job, and there aren't words

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Speaker 1: to explain what that feels like. It's unreal. So the

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Speaker 1: record again is called Starfire, her latest I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: my quick Garth Brooks story. So he's my favorite too. Ever,

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Speaker 1: like he's my favorite, like watching him live, I just weep.

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Speaker 1: When you watch him live, you understand why he's the

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Speaker 1: greatest of all time. Like it's not just the amazing

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Speaker 1: but when he performs, you're just like, if you watch

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Speaker 1: going to get anything ever, because it's that good. And

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Speaker 1: so we did a comedy record um our band, the

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Speaker 1: Raging Gidiots, and we're not that good, but we wrote

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Speaker 1: a comedy record and I wrote this song and it

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Speaker 1: was called Fishing with my Dad. And so I wrote

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Speaker 1: this and it was never I was never ever gonna.

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Speaker 1: I don't consider myself a songwriter. I'm a comedy writer.

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Speaker 1: There's so many good songwriters in this town that if

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Speaker 1: comedy writer. So I wrote this song and it wasn't funny,

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Speaker 1: and it was called Fishing with my Dad and it

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Speaker 1: the whole story. And so the head of my label says,

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Speaker 1: it away, you can pitch it whatever, but I don't

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Speaker 1: take to cut? I said, well, if Garth Brooks would

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Speaker 1: a month later I come in and it was Garth.

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Speaker 1: He's like, I'm gonna sing this song, so on the record,

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Speaker 1: on the record, it's Garth Brooks. We're singing in this

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Speaker 1: just like, this isn't even the real world. What is

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Speaker 1: going on? Yeah? He was singing words that I wrote

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Speaker 1: and I'm not I'm not even you like I'm far

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Speaker 1: that's that's Tacoma, do you know? And here is the

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Speaker 1: thing of all of your songs and I kind of

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Speaker 1: want to go through um a lot of the songs

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Speaker 1: Now there's one song of yours that I didn't know

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Speaker 1: as with this song, I was like, you have to

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Speaker 1: a great open. I had no idea you wrote this

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Speaker 1: song and it was the Dolly and Kenny Roger song

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Speaker 1: you Can't Make Old Friends. This song is so good

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Speaker 1: your care Free. That song makes me feel so like emotional,

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Speaker 1: and I still cried when I hear Dolly Parton, Like,

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Speaker 1: are you kidding me? You've ever written songs for Garth

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Speaker 1: would you lend me since way back your care again?

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Speaker 1: I get like the little hair standing up? That's so good?

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Speaker 1: What st Peter the game? Eddy you come, I'll be

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Speaker 1: just ringing for you cool. You can't make cold like

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Speaker 1: a little bit. I'm geaking out that you're sitting here

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Speaker 1: so tell me about this. You can't make all friends.

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Speaker 1: Who'd you write this with? I wrote this with Don Schlitz,

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Speaker 1: who is one of my songwriting heroes. When I moved

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Speaker 1: few you know, ideas for Kenny Rogers today? And it's like, okay,

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Speaker 1: And then but I didn't really hear much. And then

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Speaker 1: um I called him like multiple times that day. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: And it ended up not being a joke. And they

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Speaker 1: you have this record, you make, get you spend your

426
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 1: own money. I took some more publishing draw for it, yeah,

427
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,959
Speaker 1: which which ends up being your money at the end

428
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 1: of this day. But yeah, so everybody says, no, we

429
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 1: don't want you to make a record, So you tell

430
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 1: between your legs, you start pitching these songs that you

431
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 1: put on a record totally. Which what's the first song

432
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 1: that you wrote that you put on your record that

433
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 1: someone said I like that it was wasting all these tears,

434
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 1: Cassidy Pope, So you that was on your record? Wow,

435
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 1: and wasted the second And I know Cassidy well, and

436
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 1: she's open for us at shows and I've just been

437
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 1: able to be our friend. She's played with us in

438
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,160
Speaker 1: places there aren't a lot of people that can sing

439
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,439
Speaker 1: like you sing, and she's one of them that can't. Like,

440
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 1: that's one of those that's like, Okay, I get how

441
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: Cassidy would cut a Caitlin Semith song. So she cuts it.

442
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 1: Now you don't know what's gonna be a single yet, right, Um. Yeah,

443
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: they had talked about like, yeah, we'll cut it and

444
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 1: we'll make it the single, you know that kind of thing,

445
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: which is always a curse. By the way, I know,

446
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 1: I have so many songwriter friends that are like when

447
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: they tell you it's a single before it's a single,

448
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 1: it's rarely this single exactly. And we I had written

449
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 1: with it my with my husband, and I kind of

450
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: wanted to keep that from myself. That was one we

451
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,199
Speaker 1: wrote that together. Yeah, and which is awesome because it

452
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 1: was both of our first big cut, first top ten

453
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 1: we had it together, which is which was like, that's pretty.

454
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 1: It was really cool. So Cassidy poke cuts wasting all

455
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 1: these tears. Do you know where it finished on the chart?

456
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 1: You know, I think it was nine something like that

457
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: and that Smith. That's so crazy that you wrote that

458
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: for you and then Cassidy makes it a hit. That's

459
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 1: all okay. So Cassie puts it out, you get the

460
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 1: call that it's the single, and you have to flip

461
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: a little bit, right, is it's your first thingle She

462
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: just had finished the voice like she's a big deal.

463
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: We had no idea, like what's going to happen with

464
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: new artists. You kind of just don't know, um, And

465
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 1: it was a great surprise. At least she kind of

466
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 1: had a following absolutely because she was on the TV show. Yeah, totally.

467
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: So it's on the radio and I'm assuming you get

468
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,360
Speaker 1: paid a lot more for that song. Yeah, and that's

469
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 1: the that's a real check that bought us a house.

470
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 1: That's excited, like say thank you for buying as a

471
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,199
Speaker 1: house you have that that was on your record? Is

472
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 1: that old record still out there with like this? No?

473
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: I mean I I just pressed some copies and I

474
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 1: did put end up putting on an EP later just

475
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 1: because I like to play it live and I wanted

476
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 1: to give people, you know, copy of it. But yeah,

477
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: that that one record that I pitched the labels, that

478
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 1: ten song. I don't know, do you get a closets somewhere?

479
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: And and for me, you know, I'm I get like

480
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,199
Speaker 1: I want to prove people. I have a chip on

481
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:55,919
Speaker 1: my shoulder, a terrible chip on my shoulder that I've

482
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: been in therapy for a long time for that. I

483
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 1: always want to prove people wrong, like more than succeed

484
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 1: for me, I want to prove people wrong for doubting me.

485
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 1: And it's an awful thing. And I wish I could

486
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: get better at switching my priorities in life. But for

487
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: everybody that tells me no, I'd rather prove them wrong

488
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 1: than everybody that's like, hey, you can do this. Prove them.

489
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: I'm so messed up in the head for those guys

490
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 1: that said, hey, you're not really what we want? Were

491
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: you kind of like okay, yeah, I mean it definitely

492
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 1: like it was a little bit overblow to like artist.

493
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 1: I think it was sad because I was like, I

494
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 1: want to do this. I think I can do this.

495
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: Why don't they want me to sing this? Like? It

496
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: was definitely like this, Could you doubt yourself after it? Yes,

497
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: big time, big time um as an artist, but you know,

498
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: as a songwriter, was like, well, I'll always have that

499
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: to fall back on and I can just so there

500
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: was a time yourself as an artist like you were like,

501
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can do this. Yeah, definitely,

502
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 1: because I just didn't understand because I was the writing

503
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: thing was coming easy, so easy, and the cuts and

504
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: stuff like that that I was like, well, why isn't

505
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: this artist's piece coming easy? And I think this is

506
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: a good time for advice from Caitlin Smith here because

507
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: you were told this isn't for you and you continued

508
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: down the path of yeah, I think it is for me. Yeah, totally,

509
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: even when you felt like, oh man, maybe this isn't

510
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: you kind of dug yourself out of that hole. What

511
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: was the key for you to dig yourself out of

512
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,199
Speaker 1: that hole of self doubt because we've all been there, right, Well,

513
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: it was I had a very amazing group, like a

514
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: support group around me of like, you know, my husband

515
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: and my family and people that were saying, you know, yes,

516
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: you can do it, and that I mean that really

517
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: helped me keep going. When I'm like crying on the

518
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 1: couch going I don't know. My husband's like, yes you can.

519
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 1: You know how having a cheerleader I think did help um.

520
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 1: But you know, I would continue to play shows, and

521
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: you know, at the end of those shows, like that

522
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,479
Speaker 1: feeling of like, no, this is what I'm supposed to do,

523
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: like kind of kept me going and kept me pushing

524
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: forward because every time I would go out there and

525
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: sing my songs myself, I was like, this is what

526
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: I need to be doing. It felt like that's what

527
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: you're meant to do. Yes, absolutely, So, I don't know. So, Okay,

528
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 1: Cassidy cuts that song, It's a top ten song. What's

529
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 1: the next song? It was hard of Dixie Daniel Bradberry Okay, yeah,

530
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 1: So and then to another song from the Voice, Yeah,

531
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: which is crazy. So Daniel Bradberry sings that song and okay,

532
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: so now you're writing songs for all the reality singers,

533
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: which is kind of cool. They're built as new artists,

534
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: they're built in fan bases. Absolutely. Yeah, so then you

535
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: have to be feeling pretty good because you're making your comfortable. Yeah,

536
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: as you know, making a living. Are you starting to

537
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: write with people? Then you never thought me like, wow,

538
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: I'm in a room with certain people. This is crazy. Yeah,

539
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: that I mean, I started to get more artist co writes,

540
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: you know. So I got to write with Carrie Underwood,

541
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: who you know is one of my here rows and

542
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: that was like super special. So what was that like,

543
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: You're sitting around with Cary Underwood. It was crazy. And

544
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: she's really awesome. She is awesome, and she's a real human.

545
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: She's a real human, which is amazing because you see

546
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: her and she looks so perfect and she sings so perfect. Yes,

547
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: but and all of that. Yeah, she's still like a

548
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: real just just a normal person. Yeah, totally, but she's

549
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: not for a minute, even to me. She went because

550
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, freak Garry Underwood, I know, it's crazy.

551
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: I know about the fourth time I was like man,

552
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: that's definitely. So you're in room with Carrie, tell me

553
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: about what that's like writing with Carrie. She's a great writer.

554
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: A lot of times, you know, you'll you'll get set

555
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: up with artists and it'll be okay. You know, some

556
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: some artists you write with and they're they're not really writers,

557
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: And some artists just want to be on the ride

558
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: so it looks like they're a writer and it gives

559
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: them more credit totally. But with Carrie, she's actually a

560
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,239
Speaker 1: great songwriter. And so it was just you know, that

561
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: whole like, I don't know, dynamic was great. I don't know.

562
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: I guess I want to know what it feels like

563
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: the night before you're about to write with Carry Underwood,

564
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: don't sleep. I'm like thinking of ideas, looking through all

565
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: of the books and all of the internets and all

566
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: of the everything that's just try and find that gem

567
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: that I can bring bring to the right. Yeah. I mean,

568
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: that's about the biggest artists you can write with. Yeah,

569
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: and I've yet to get a cut with her. What

570
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: We've written a bunch of really great songs, So we'll

571
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: just keep writing songs. Hopefully we Here's my Carry Underwood story.

572
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: Because again I put carry up on a pedestal and

573
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: I love her as a person, and she liked me

574
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: at first. Kind of hard to get to know because

575
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: I'm very guarded and she's guarded and rightfully so. And

576
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: I think after about our third or fourth time where

577
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: we spent a lot of time together, it was kind

578
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: of like, Okay, we're cool. So she agreed to come

579
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: out and we did a show at the Rhyme and

580
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: my stupid band. We did a big charity show at

581
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: the Rhyme and it's sold out, and Carrie came out

582
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: and we sang a duet together. Now again, I'm not

583
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: a good singer. I sing just well enough to be funny.

584
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: And someone debate that, but but I've got to perform

585
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: with a lot of great people and and big artists

586
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: and fun artists. But when Carrie opened her mouth to

587
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: start singing, dude, it's and I've said these exactly, it

588
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: was like I was singing with an alien because I've

589
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: never heard anything as strong and powerful come from something

590
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: so small, and it was imperfect. It was just awesome,

591
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: and it scared me, like it scared me. And I'm

592
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: not a singer, and I don't try to be a singer.

593
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: But even then I was like, I don't know if

594
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: I can do this, Like I don't even know if

595
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: I can be me right now because it was that good.

596
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: So you're right with Carrie, You guys, you know right together,

597
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: you become friends. Who else do you get to right with?

598
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:52,959
Speaker 1: Like what are the artists to get the popping room with? Um?

599
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: Well one I've gotten right one time with Blake shouting

600
00:31:55,520 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: that was like random and interesting. Blake is very interesting. Yeah,

601
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: it was not even for him. It was like for

602
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: one of his voice artists, but he was there and

603
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: it was strange. I don't know Blake, you just never know.

604
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: He's awesome and he was a great hang for awesome.

605
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: Right was like what are we writing? It was Even

606
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: conversations with him are like that, like if we're because

607
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: again And there are a lot of times on the

608
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: show people just don't care about some of this stuff.

609
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: But I've been able to hang out with Blake a

610
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: bit more than I think a lot of people in

611
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: natally doesn't live here anymore, but I traveled so much.

612
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: We see each other in places, so hang out, and

613
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: I've been able to hang with him and Gwen. I've

614
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: been able to do some cool stuff, but he's always

615
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: he's so friendly that the first two or three times

616
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: you think, Okay, this is a game. The ninth time

617
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: you're like, no, he's just a nice person. Sometimes he's drunk,

618
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: but he's just a nice person. And there are a

619
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: lot of those a little big talent. To me, I thought,

620
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: is this a game? Like are they so awesome just

621
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: to be you know, it's just like it. But again

622
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: after about the ninth time with a little big town

623
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: and Keith Urbans in that category, they're just genuinely awesome people.

624
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: So you being a songwriter, who would you put in

625
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: that category of they're just fantastic people? Yeah, I mean

626
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: a little big down definitely, all of those humans and

627
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,959
Speaker 1: there are four of them in there, and they're usually

628
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: there's a third in a group of four, Like usually

629
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: if you have four people, one of them not so

630
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: gold or one of them a little bit different, but

631
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: they're so nicely it's a little big down. Who else

632
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: would you put on that list? I mean I put

633
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: guards on that list. He's it's like hanging out with

634
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: your dad or something. He's like so normal and so

635
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: like he's so kind and like cares about you in

636
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: front of his face, like he was Taylor Swift before

637
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: Taylor was Taylor and connecting with people, Yes, he really

638
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: connected with you and remembers people's names, is whatever, Like,

639
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: it's amazing at the ability he has to make you

640
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: feel like you're the only one in the room, yift man,

641
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: It's incredible. He played our show and he came And

642
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: I'm never nervous when artists come in because people are

643
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: people like people are people, and some people have great

644
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: gifts here some people everybody has some gift. But when

645
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: Garth came in, I was I was nuts and I

646
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: was like, what am I gonna do? What am I

647
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 1: gonna say? And he came in. I knew it was

648
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: a James Taylor fan, and I I was just like, hey,

649
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: you know what, what's a great picture in your house

650
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: that you like? Because I like to find out little

651
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: things about people, like what's a picture in your house

652
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: that you love? And so he's telling this story about

653
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: his daughter and James Taylor together, and I'm like, I

654
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,399
Speaker 1: know you're a James Taylor fan, so do you ever

655
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: just hanging out? And he plays fire and rain, he

656
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: pulls he just becaus the guitar and he plays fire

657
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 1: and ring on the show, and I'm thinking to myself, Okay,

658
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,240
Speaker 1: this is crazy. The greatest of all time is singing

659
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: a James Taylor song, who I also love and admire

660
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: his music. And so we're talking and I'm like, you know,

661
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 1: for me, like my favorite song is if Tomorrow Never comes,

662
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: you know, And so he's like, oh, I mean I

663
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 1: have a guitar. Then he played is It, and I'm

664
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 1: just like, okay, this is not real life, Like real

665
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: humans don't get to experience this kind of thing. And

666
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: then as the show we played friends on the Places

667
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: and we all sang it. I refuse to listen back

668
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: to it because I don't want to go back and Nitpiket,

669
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: I just's like enjoying that memory. It's so so special

670
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: to me. I will never go back and listen to it.

671
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: Then there are only like three moments of my life

672
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: where that's happened. Garth probably the biggest. Ben Folds played

673
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: a full hour for me any song I wanted. And

674
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: I am such a bent Folds fan, like I'm die hard.

675
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: He's playing in town in a few weeks and I'm

676
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: not here because I'm on the road and I'm it's

677
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 1: it's been Folds and a piano, and I'm just like,

678
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 1: you gotta be kidding me, Like and he he walked

679
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: in and he said, I'm a little under the weather,

680
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: and again I'm they're about five artists that I'm die Hard, Garth,

681
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 1: John Mayer, Ben Folds, Like, John, my favorite album of

682
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: all time is Continued. That's that's my favorite. And at

683
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: the end of a book, I thank temp for righting

684
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: continue my credits. Like, seriously, that record is everything. It's

685
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: my favorite record of all time. It has everything from perfect.

686
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: It even has a perfect Jimmy Hendrix cover on it.

687
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 1: Oh my god, the cover, Yeah, I got it on vinyl. Everything,

688
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: I mean, it's amazing. So Ben ben Folds, who's one

689
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: of my favorites, comes in and says, I'm low into

690
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: the weather and I have this grand piano and I'm

691
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: so excited. It was like when you talk about care

692
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: you're nervous the night before and he's like, I'll tell

693
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 1: you what, Why don't we just call out songs? Do

694
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: you know any of my songs? And inside, I'm I

695
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: know every song, I know everything. I know every song

696
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: I know. But I'm like, I'm like, yeah, I think

697
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 1: I know a few songs. I'm calling out cuts I've got.

698
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: It was the most selfish. It was the most selfish

699
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 1: interview I've ever done in my life because I'm calling

700
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: out things that and for an hour he played everything

701
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: and I just would not go back and listen to

702
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: it because it was so perfect. Yes, you just want

703
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: to keep that, and I just don't want to because

704
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: I was I'm sure I was an It said some

705
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: stupid things, but it was so perfect to me, like

706
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 1: those are I love the Count of Crows too, like that,

707
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: and they're playing it as send here in town, and

708
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: I took off because I'm like, I gotta go to

709
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 1: the joke, like I saw him lest time there. Here's

710
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: the problem with Counting Crows though, Adam Dirts is nuts,

711
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: which most creative people are. I'm nuts. I'm sure you're nuts.

712
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: You have to be nuts to be creative, Like there

713
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: is an element of creativity where you can't be fully

714
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 1: functional in every normal way to be creative. And sometimes

715
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: I wish I was fully functional, but I'm not good relationships.

716
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a hide in a whole life. But that

717
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: nuts makes me allows me to do other things So

718
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: Adam Dirts is nuts right crazy crazy right there, and

719
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: not just crazy in a go to the doctor nuts

720
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: because you know, I have friends that have suffered from

721
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: clinical depression and and I know he's struggled with that too,

722
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: But I'm about he goes nothwhere he won't even play

723
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: songs the same way that I can sing along too,

724
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: Like they'll play a long December and it'll sound nothing

725
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: like a long December on the sing it so I

726
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: can sing it back. I've been waiting for the show

727
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 1: for three months, like he'll do a whole and I've

728
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: seen him do a whole show before and not play

729
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: one single he does, and I'm like, just and I listen.

730
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: I admire that as someone who creates, but as a

731
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: fan of like, come, I give me Mr Jones, Give

732
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: me Mr Jones, Please give me r everybody's in the

733
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: audience thing. So who to you like? Artist wise? Do

734
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: you look and go in? Also to me, Zack Brown Band.

735
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: I think they're the greatest country band of all time,

736
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 1: like Zach to me. And Alabama has more hits and

737
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 1: people will go Alabama because they've been around longer. But

738
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: nobody's doing creatively in my opinion what Zack's doing now.

739
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,280
Speaker 1: And it's hard to look at something in the middle

740
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: of greatness and recognize it. And I think we're able

741
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: to see that with Zack Brown right now. To me,

742
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: I'm seeing greatness here. It's the Lebron, it's the Brown,

743
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 1: it's the we're in the middle of seeing something great

744
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: and it's hard to appreciate greatness as it happens exactly.

745
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: So for you, who do you look at and you're like, man,

746
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 1: that's it, Like right now, this is this phenomenal. That's hard.

747
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: I have no no sleep brain right now because the

748
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: baby who who's your favorite question? Who's your favorite artist?

749
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: There's too many. You have to have somebody I know

750
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: the first one that comes to my that's a reaction.

751
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: Patty Griffin. Amazing, unreal. I live in Austin for for

752
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,439
Speaker 1: a long time, just here walking around, just here, walking

753
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: all time, all time, just chilling walking around. She to

754
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: me like like when I first found her living with

755
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: Ghost record, it was so pivotal to me as a

756
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: human of like, whoa, this is art and that record

757
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: to you shifted for it. Yeah, I think so big time.

758
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: That's cool. Mom's Busty Boys license deal. I mean totally.

759
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: I was like, these white dudes, g rag, that's amaze.

760
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: That's cool that you like Patty because I love Patty.

761
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: That's us here all the time, and she's so cool.

762
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,479
Speaker 1: She's so cool. I mean, I like stalked her down

763
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,399
Speaker 1: to Nashville, was like when's she playing here? And like,

764
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: I like I saw she was playing a folk festival

765
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: festival down here, and I like emailed the folk festival

766
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: and like, do you guys have any more spaces for me?

767
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,439
Speaker 1: Like this is when I'm like seventeen, so I could

768
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: just go creep on Patty. But I totally it was amazing,

769
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: So love I love her. Let's talk about Lady A

770
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: for a second, because I have a song here. You

771
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 1: wrote seven seven Yeah, okay, seven seven bat So who'd

772
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: you write that with? With Gordy Sampson and Carrie Barlow

773
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 1: and so you write this song and was it for them? Yeah?

774
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,919
Speaker 1: It was actually the one song that we're like, hey,

775
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 1: let's try and write for this person and then it

776
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: actually worked. That never ever happened. I kind of I

777
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 1: didn't know that, but I kind of felt that with

778
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: that song. Yeah, Like I felt like that was a

779
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: song written for them. Yeah, totally. We I mean, I don't.

780
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: We definitely put on our lady a hat thinking hats

781
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: when we wrote it. So and so you came on

782
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: the show and you played like I'm Gonna Lose You acoustically,

783
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: and before I knew that's my favorite Megan Trainer song

784
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 1: because when I heard it, I was like, that song

785
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: is so good like that and then when I again,

786
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: I've just been kind of like a couple of times

787
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: like reading about you and learning about you as I

788
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: have the last few months, because it just started with

789
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 1: me hearing Starifire that's again I just heard the record,

790
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: was like, she's amazing. I gotta bring her in. But

791
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: then just hearing the rest of your story, so you're

792
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: right like I'm gonna Lose you with Megan. Yeah, with

793
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: Megan before she had a record deal, so before she

794
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: was Megan Trainer. Totally. You were just writing with Megan

795
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: in with her because she had been writing a bunch

796
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: with Justin Weaver, who we also wrote the song with.

797
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: So good. I mean John Legend sings on that song

798
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: like what the world this is not? Bizar? I don't

799
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: understand have you met John? Oh? Not yet? Okay, Damn

800
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to turn this into the Bobby name dropping,

801
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: but I I have a good story that I don't want

802
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: to share them all the time. On the so we

803
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: went and stayed. Um one of my best friends is

804
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: Andy Roddy the tennis player, been my best one of

805
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: my best friends for ten years or so. And so

806
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 1: Meham and John went and stayed in the house and

807
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: went to the Masters. And when John would By the way,

808
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: John is so smart, like it's a different level of

809
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: not even just music, but like life, Like he's reading

810
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal and you know, I'm over here

811
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 1: playing Pokemon. You know, before I'm just playing Pokemon or Tetris.

812
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: There's something and he's a and so he's a We

813
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: would shut up in the house when he would even

814
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: go like we just we just shut up, like you

815
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: just stopping and he's making a noise. You just let

816
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: John make the noise. But such a nice guy and

817
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 1: such a gentle guy. But and he plays Andy's charity

818
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: event every other year too, So it's just one of

819
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: those special people that are on earth that that's what

820
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: they do. Chris is awesome too, like she's his wife,

821
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: Christy taken like as normal without being normal as you

822
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: can possibly be that I'm dying to meet there. They're cool, Yeah,

823
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: you would like them. I don't want this is in

824
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: the I just have I have a good story to tell.

825
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: I'm glad you come in, like we get to share

826
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: good stories. Good Okay. So now, so when you came in,

827
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: you were way pregnant, and I was worried because it's

828
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,919
Speaker 1: like a couple of days from my dude, I don't

829
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 1: know you're way pregnant. So I was like, hey can

830
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: and I don't even know how we got in touch

831
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: with each other. Okay, no, I do it now that

832
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: I think about it. I played a song of yours

833
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 1: on the air and I didn't tell anybody was going

834
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: to do. I just played it and you email me

835
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,479
Speaker 1: and I was like, how did you get my email addressed? Yeah,

836
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: someone gave me. I want thank you. It was my plist.

837
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: How did they email? I have no idea people, I

838
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: have my personal but I was like, I need to

839
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: thank Bobby for talking about that song. And I saw

840
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,720
Speaker 1: this email and I was like, is this spam because

841
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 1: nobody has this address? And it was you, and I

842
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: was like, okay, now that you have my address. Somehow

843
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: through some dark web. I don't know where do they go.

844
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: I was like, you have to come up, So you

845
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: come up. You played Tacoma, which we played earlier, and

846
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: you play like I'm gonna lose you. I'm gonna tell

847
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: you this song because I've on my Spotify and I

848
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: used Spotify an Apple and I'm kind of back and

849
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: forth on them. Um that record You're You're, It's one

850
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 1: of the most played in mine in the last three

851
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: or four months, like over and over, like I just

852
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 1: I just love it. I do love it. But you know,

853
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: do you think about me? Like? That is the yamn

854
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: how they love day, make a job and mound and

855
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: the same A baby heavy, how make love the time

856
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 1: of the time, all the time? Do you think from me? Man?

857
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: I nailed that part too. Do you think about I

858
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: know that. I know you think I'm a total geek

859
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: because I'm like such a fan here of of your stuff.

860
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 1: It's so great, man, like before you call me baby

861
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: like this is the first song on Star Far Starbarre

862
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: and it is so good man, I mean, listen to

863
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: the just listen to this for a second. Nobody talks.

864
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: Stop stop talking. Right now we're talking to your friend

865
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: to stop talking. Just listen to this for a night.

866
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: Sure it's hot to remember laughing for you work in

867
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: the picture, I was a sad monthly with the cookie

868
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: friend standing on my platform waiting for marching. I was

869
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: missed up, wounding, broke down something run and from my

870
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 1: heart who's heartbroke heart up from long strength of bad

871
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 1: dog surch and know and sorry this dog is called

872
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: me bad so good before you can you see that

873
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,439
Speaker 1: I'm genuinely like, I'm like, this is the most fun

874
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,280
Speaker 1: for me. This is the most fun for me. So,

875
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 1: um Starfire is I hope people buy it and don't

876
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: stream it. By the way, she won't say I will

877
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: be buying because you don't make any money I'm streaming. Um.

878
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: So the record is there now, I'm assuming it's going

879
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: to be completed. Yeah, totally. So the goal is we

880
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: just I wanted to release songs. I was ready, you know.

881
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 1: I want to release some songs and a baby and

882
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: do you know, do something before the baby, and then

883
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: we'll finish the record probably the beginning of next year.

884
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: We're kind of working it out because I've known this

885
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: all myself right now with no label and I'm just

886
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to get my music. Are

887
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,439
Speaker 1: people like like throwing the line out there a bit now,

888
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,959
Speaker 1: As far as label wise, it's still tough for girls.

889
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,439
Speaker 1: It's very tough kind of you know what I'm doing.

890
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: It is a little bit genre lists. If you think

891
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: about this record, it's not totally it's not country radio,

892
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 1: but it's not like and so I don't know. I

893
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: love that you're not chasing it though, that that's that's

894
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: how you make it. But how you make it, you

895
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: don't chase it. I mean, it's the same thing with Marin.

896
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: She didn't chase crap. She just did what Marion was like,

897
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: screw man. I'm going yes. And I was talking and

898
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: I don't even mind saying his name. But I am

899
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: a big Ryan Herd fan, Oh my god, because Ryan

900
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: writes like crazy, like Ryan writes like I love his writing.

901
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,720
Speaker 1: And so Ryan and I have become buds and oddly

902
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 1: their boyfriend and girlfriend, but it really has nothing to

903
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: do with each other. And when I tell their story,

904
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: Ryan is such a nice guy and he's like, you know,

905
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm a part of the universe kind of guy.

906
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: And so we had the same talk and it was

907
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: like dude, just do you don't Chase And he's like,

908
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: I'm not. He said, I'm just and he has a

909
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: song that we do us. It is such the jam, dude,

910
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: it's the jam. It's and I play it and it's

911
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 1: not a single and I played everyone. I'm just like, man,

912
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 1: it's not even available to download yet, but it's still

913
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: such the jam. It's like I'm Vibo and there's but

914
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,439
Speaker 1: like I root for people like that that don't put

915
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 1: themselves in a position to where they think they're supposed

916
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: to be and those people that either make it hit

917
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: home runs or strike out much other strike out. Be

918
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: it myself then getting a double knot absolutely, I mean

919
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,439
Speaker 1: that was like the lesson that I learned, like living

920
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: here the last seven years. Like you know, when I

921
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 1: made that record and all the labels said no, you know,

922
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: because I was trying to do this thing, and I

923
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: kind of sat back after I had a few of

924
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: those rounds with the labels and a few of those

925
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: nose and I was like, what am I doing wrong here? Well,

926
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be something. I'm trying to be something

927
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: maybe like trying to conjure up something, and maybe I

928
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: just need to do what I love and just make

929
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: that be what I put out. And so that's what

930
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: this this ended up being, this record. It's just what

931
00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 1: the songs that I loved. I didn't think about radio

932
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: and think about any like even production wise. We're like,

933
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 1: let's just make music that we want to listen to.

934
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: And it's my favorite stuff that I've ever been a

935
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 1: part of. I'm just so excited about it. So, Mike,

936
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 1: how long we into this? With a few minutes left?

937
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 1: So I would encourage a body to buy Starfire and

938
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: then get the worst even stream and I guess just

939
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: go to shows if she comes around. So let's let's

940
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: talk about a few other things. So you had the baby, yeah, seventh, seventh, yep.

941
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: And I mean he's like three and a half weeks now.

942
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: It's been amazing, really, you know. I think I think

943
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: I overprepared for it to just be awful and never

944
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: sleep ever again and this just to be this monster

945
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 1: and that, but it's really been quite heavenly. He sleeps great,

946
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 1: and I just love it. Do you just specially do

947
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: you stare at him and just go I didn't know

948
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: that I could love something like this. It's unbelievable. Yes,

949
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 1: like most of the day is spent or just staring

950
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 1: and like, oh maybe I should our kind of smell pad.

951
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: So it sounds like priorities changed if showering is one

952
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: of those things you think about. Thirdly, yeah, absolutely, that's awesome.

953
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: It's crazy. Has it changed, like do you want do

954
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: you want to write songs now about your baby? Yeah?

955
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: Well I think that it definitely has kind of opened

956
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:22,439
Speaker 1: up this whole new world of flag feeling in my heart,

957
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 1: Like this whole it's a whole another like pile of

958
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 1: experience and things to draw from. Um, so I've never

959
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: known I'm asking you for advice? Then should I just

960
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: get someone pregnant? Probably? Okay, cool, but you might make

961
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 1: that babies are the best, man. So have you been

962
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: able to go out and have like a dinner with it?

963
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: So you've done that? You? Yeah, I left the baby

964
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: with Grandma like a couple of times, and my husband

965
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: and a dig each other and we're like, we like

966
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: this baby, but we like to be us too. So

967
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 1: it's great. I mean, it's been good so far. Is

968
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,919
Speaker 1: it hard to get a right with you? Since I'm

969
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: listening to and and be as honest is you can

970
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: or want to be. But I would assume after all

971
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: this success that it's hard for someone to go, hey, Kaylen,

972
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 1: would you write a song with me? Well? If I

973
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: I love to hear, like if there's a new writer

974
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: that comes to town and like, you know, would want

975
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: to get together. I love to hear what they're doing

976
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 1: because for me, like when I get in the riding room,

977
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: it's so much about vibe on who they are and

978
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 1: what they're doing, and if it's like if they're making

979
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: music that I'm crushing on done, like I want to

980
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 1: I want to be there and jam out with them,

981
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: like that's awesome. Um, but I don't know, You're kind

982
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: of hard to get it right with, aren't you. You're

983
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: kind of hard to get it right. That's that's kind

984
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: of hard to get it right with. That's word on

985
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: the street is just kind of hard to get it

986
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: right with. Uh. Well, thank you, Mike. Cast three questions.

987
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: We usually start with it, but I got so into it.

988
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: You can't make all friends because I'm just so blown

989
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:57,959
Speaker 1: away by that song. Like I love that song so much. Mike,

990
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: you have three odd questions to go ahead? What number one?

991
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: What's your favorite Starbucks drink? Oh, Okay, So when it's

992
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 1: hot and sweaty, a rock a latte with coconut milk.

993
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: When it's winter, just the biggest Americano in the land.

994
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: You don't get into the pumpkin spice. No, dude, that's

995
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: just like extra cows. I don't really want to do alright.

996
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 1: Question number two, what's the picture on your lock screen

997
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: on your phone? I just changed it actually today. It's

998
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: a picture of my husband holding our baby, and it's

999
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 1: the gudest I can't even do. That's a good question.

1000
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: Question three, what's your favorite thing to cook? Oh? My

1001
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: favorite thing to cook. I love the bake and so

1002
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: if you know, I bake banana bread, cookies, all of

1003
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 1: the real naughty stuff that I love that. So I

1004
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 1: don't know. But if I'm gonna bake you dinner, probably chicken.

1005
00:53:55,080 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 1: I'll do chicken. Do you cook? Yeah? Yeah, we both do.

1006
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: We kind of get it to it together. Yeah, but yeah,

1007
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: I love cooking. Come over, seriously, so much fun. Thank

1008
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: you for coming by. I really appreciate you coming to

1009
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: the house. Sorry, but it looks it's like a bombs

1010
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:21,399
Speaker 1: blown up in here, right, No, it's not. Nobody lives

1011
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: in this building with me right now. And that's always

1012
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 1: embarrassed because when you get off the elevator to come

1013
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: to my floor, it's it's nothing but ripped up concrete

1014
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 1: and tort walls. Yeah, totally, and you're like, Okay, I

1015
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 1: don't know what part of time right now, but why

1016
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: am I walking into It's just it's just scary. So

1017
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 1: it is. Hopefully I were getting that fixed soon. But

1018
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 1: thanks for coming to the house totally, thanks for having me,

1019
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: and I want to have you back up on the

1020
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: show and play. Here is an indicator. It's just just

1021
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: a data, an indicator that you can tell how you're

1022
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: doing with people, because the biggest piece of research for

1023
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: me that I find is what people spend their money on,

1024
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: so you can do whatever you can do. And everybody's

1025
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 1: research on all kinds of stuff. You know, they're pulling

1026
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: for presidential elections, they do research on radio songs, do

1027
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 1: all these things. To me, what I like at is

1028
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: what people spend their money on. You came in on

1029
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: our show and you played Tacoma, and frankly speaking, it's

1030
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: not like you've had a lot of radio play, right,

1031
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: not not at all. Really. We saw I saw the

1032
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: record go from you know front of the to number

1033
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: one on the singer song just like that from one

1034
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:37,439
Speaker 1: play I'm not and that's zero percent me. That's our

1035
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: listeners going. I love it. It took them one here

1036
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 1: and they all went and bought it. So I hope

1037
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 1: for you that you take away from that that what

1038
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 1: you're doing, it's just it's just right. And if it's

1039
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: right for a country radio, who knows if it's right

1040
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 1: for what, But it's just right. And people speak with

1041
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: their money because we don't have a lot of it.

1042
00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: It's not like we can walk around just going cash

1043
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: out everywhere exactly. So what you're what you're doing is

1044
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: it's just right. And I hope you I know you're

1045
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 1: gonna keep doing it just so true. I love it.

1046
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 1: I'm such a nerd on this intera. It's like I'm

1047
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 1: in the Caitlin fan club and I finally got to

1048
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 1: get talk Oh my God by Starfire. Listen to it.

1049
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: If you comes to Talent, you us far you. Caleb

1050
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: brought me a really nice gift and I haven't had

1051
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 1: time to really spend. Yeah, I'll probably hug it all

1052
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: night tonight. But it's a picture of us together in

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Speaker 1: the studio right, and then you handwrote the lyrics to Yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: that's cool. I'm probably just gonna put on the pillar

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Speaker 1: time all right? By Starfire. Listen to Starfire and even

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Speaker 1: aside from Caitlin, support the artist that you really like.

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Speaker 1: Let's getting harder and harder for since it gets harder

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Speaker 1: and harder and harder and harder for you know, artists,

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Speaker 1: to make it means less artists, It means so support

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Speaker 1: what you love. And Caitlin, thanks for coming to the house.

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Speaker 1: Really appreciate it. I hope it is fun for you. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I love it. It was awesome. This isn't weird. We're

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Speaker 1: in a bedroom in the studio. All right, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: wrap it up there. It is all right. Thank you

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Speaker 1: guys for being part of the Bobby Cast episode number five.

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Speaker 1: Right stuff I Mike our guest. It's been Caitlin Smith.

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Speaker 1: Thanks again to our sponsor well no one quiet, thank you,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Thank you. Until next time, everybody, have a

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Speaker 1: great day or midday or night. Whenever you're listening to this.

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Speaker 1: Go by