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Speaker 1: Ron Anian, Make sure you've got a relationship with that guy.

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Speaker 2: Make sure you trust that person that's telling you, hey,

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Speaker 2: you need breaks, and ask them casually. So I need breaks?

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Speaker 2: What else do I need? The car Doctor?

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Speaker 3: For about two months, my check engine light was coming on,

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Speaker 3: would stay on for a little while, go off it.

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Speaker 3: All of a sudden started flashing and ones that did

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Speaker 3: is the car saidded bucking the.

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Speaker 1: Coffin and welcome to the radio home of ron Ananian,

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Speaker 1: the Car Doctor. Since nineteen ninety one, this is where

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Speaker 1: car owners the world overturned to for their definitive opinion

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Speaker 1: on automotive repair. If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick.

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Speaker 4: Up the phone and call in.

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Speaker 2: The garage doors are open, but I am here to

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Speaker 2: take your calls at eight five five five nine hundred

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Speaker 2: and now he.

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Speaker 1: Running.

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Speaker 2: Yep, here we are another edition of Auto Repair and

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Speaker 2: thanks for joining me on an ni in the Car

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Speaker 2: Doctor aty five five five six zero nine nine zero zero.

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Speaker 2: Let's open up the phones right away, let's get going.

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Speaker 2: Let's go talk to Tim about his twenty ten Toyota

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Speaker 2: pick him up truck. Tim, I didn't get where you're from.

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Speaker 2: Where you're from what part of.

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Speaker 5: The country, Right in the center of Lincoln or right

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Speaker 5: in the center of Illinois. It's called Lincoln, Illinois.

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Speaker 2: Lincoln, Illinois, the land of Lincoln. Yeah, so there, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I get it. So, what's what's going on with this

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Speaker 2: Toyota pick them up truck or a fur Runner that

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Speaker 2: actually is a fore Runner, right? Yeah? Four Runner?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, four Runner. I've had it for like five years.

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Speaker 5: When I first got it, obviously bought it used from

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Speaker 5: a reputable shop, and I've had it since. It's been

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Speaker 5: a great truck. But after about three months when I

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Speaker 5: had it, and I had a warranty at the time,

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Speaker 5: and it was in park, and I got in and

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Speaker 5: I was ready to go forward, I put it in drive,

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Speaker 5: and all my gauges flashed on and off, my speedometer,

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Speaker 5: the odometer, and I'm sorry, the speedometer needle was bouncing

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Speaker 5: up and down. The needle would bounce up and down,

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Speaker 5: and then it would calm down a little bit after

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Speaker 5: about ten to fifteen seconds, and then certain like the

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Speaker 5: all terrain four wheel drive lights would stay on or

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Speaker 5: ABS light would stay on the dash and then when

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Speaker 5: I the truck ran, it would run perfect. During this time.

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Speaker 5: There would be no shutter, no nothing that would cause

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Speaker 5: it to drive any differently, and I wouldn't know it

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Speaker 5: if I didn't see the gauges. I would if I

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Speaker 5: would park it and then turn the engine off and

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Speaker 5: turn it back on, it would wipe everything out and

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Speaker 5: it would run and all the gauges would go back

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Speaker 5: to normal. Okay, So but it doesn't hurt anything.

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Speaker 2: Right, So in other words, it's that the instrument cluster

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Speaker 2: goes bananas, so to speak. But the truck doesn't miss

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Speaker 2: a beat, It doesn't hiccup, it doesn't it doesn't start,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't shake, doesn't do anything.

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Speaker 5: And ron there is no rhyme, no reason to it.

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Speaker 5: It could be hot, cold, part in idle on the highway,

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Speaker 5: run forever for five hours, when we take a trip

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Speaker 5: on vacation, or just go across town. It would suddenly

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Speaker 5: do it. And there's I've even written down notes like

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Speaker 5: when it does, particular times when it did it, and

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Speaker 5: no rhyme or reason.

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Speaker 2: Can it be? Can it be months in between it happening?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Oh yeah, the last time it did it was

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Speaker 5: probably two months ago, right, and I haven't had it

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Speaker 5: happened since. And I've even I've even when it was

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Speaker 5: doing it, I pulled into like a like a NAPA

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Speaker 5: store or something and they put their little cheap e

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Speaker 5: gauges on it and they couldn't find anything.

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Speaker 2: No, you're not going to find anything that way.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, And I even drove it to the Toyt

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Speaker 5: dealership like that, and I even videoed it and showed

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Speaker 5: it to them and they said, I don't know, it's

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Speaker 5: running fine. I you know, there's nothing. This doesn't hurt anything.

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Speaker 5: It's kind of like that like that light that comes

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Speaker 5: on for your valve for your your tires, right, It's

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Speaker 5: just an obnoxious thing that happens, and just kind of

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Speaker 2: So we're we're do all the warning indicators and lights

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Speaker 2: and gauges react when this happens.

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Speaker 5: Tim No, the ones that do not is let me think.

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Speaker 5: I said, I took regular pictures and video see, because

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Speaker 5: that's that's interesting.

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you how I would approach this, all right.

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Speaker 2: That instrument cluster is actually a computer module, all right.

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Speaker 2: If you were to look at a wiring diagram, you

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Speaker 2: So that is no different than the engine controller, the

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Speaker 2: trans controller and any other computer on that truck. So

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Speaker 2: when I say to you that it won't record a

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Speaker 2: fault code by way of o b D two, which

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Speaker 2: is emissions. Right, the parts stores are doing OBD two

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Speaker 2: emissions code testing. You need to go in and scan

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Speaker 2: that by year, make model. You've heard You've heard me

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Speaker 2: talk about this. Do you understand the difference?

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Speaker 5: No? I don't, Okay.

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Speaker 2: So cars always speak two languages. There's OBD two and

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Speaker 2: OBD two is software written in a standard written by

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Speaker 2: the federal government to keep vehicles in a mission compliance,

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Speaker 2: and when the vehicle exceeds emissions due to a failing

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Speaker 2: sensor or a problem in a system, it will turn

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Speaker 2: on a check engine light and set a fault code.

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Speaker 2: So it tells the technician what system to start to

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Speaker 2: look at. It doesn't necessarily call out the right part

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Speaker 2: that failed, but it gives you a direction, whereas the

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Speaker 2: manufacturer will do that as well. However, the manufacturer goes deeper,

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Speaker 2: so the manufacturer Toyota, Toyota will tell us, hey, we

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Speaker 2: lost communication with the instrument cluster. Hey, we saw the

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Speaker 2: transmission start to slip. Although if the transmission starts to slip,

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Speaker 2: that will affect emissions and that will turn on the

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Speaker 2: check engine light also as a result of an obed

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Speaker 2: two fold You see how they work together.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and.

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Speaker 2: That's why I want to know what lights are coming

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Speaker 2: on and what lights aren't coming on, all right, because

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Speaker 2: I would want to know what lights aren't coming on

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Speaker 2: and affected, and I would break out a wiring diagram

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Speaker 2: and see what triggers those lights. And if I find

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Speaker 2: those lights are triggered by other modules on the truck,

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Speaker 2: which they could be, then I'm gonna focus. Then I'm

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Speaker 2: going to focus on what's lighting up. There's there's in

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Speaker 2: all probability this has this. This cluster has two grounds

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Speaker 2: and two powers, all right, so I would want to

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Speaker 2: the fact that it takes a while for it to

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Speaker 2: would want to tap into the two power grant the

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Speaker 5: Hook hook hook. Yeah, that's funny you mentioned that because

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Speaker 5: before I drove it a while and it never did

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Speaker 5: it before this time, but I took it to a

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Speaker 5: guy that put in an automatic remote start and it

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Speaker 5: didn't do it before. But I only had it for

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Speaker 5: like a month, but I wanted automatic start on it.

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Speaker 5: So a local guy put put.

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Speaker 1: It in me.

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Speaker 5: And I even called them and tried to narrow down

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Speaker 5: and toy and said, well, do you have any wiring

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Speaker 5: I had automatic start done. So I went to that

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Speaker 5: didn't do anything. And it seems to run fine. Could

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Speaker 2: Very possible? Where where did he tap in? Right? And

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Speaker 2: and and that becomes a good question mark. But here's

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Speaker 2: where I was going. If we have the ability to

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Speaker 2: look at the two powers and the two grounds and

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Speaker 2: record them over a period of time using a recording

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Speaker 2: vault meter, all right, or perhaps you know, every once

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Speaker 2: in a while, we would, you know, I would tap in,

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Speaker 2: Do I see the voltage? Very Do I see the

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Speaker 2: voltage change? It would at least tell me all right,

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Speaker 2: And for that matter, for that matter, if I would

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Speaker 2: also go look at the grounds, all right, and they're

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Speaker 2: easy enough to find. I think it's F one and

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Speaker 2: the pillars. Could the grounds be corroded, could be loose?

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Speaker 2: What if you loosened up one of the grounds and

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Speaker 2: started it up, would it cause the cluster to go

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Speaker 2: into fail mode? If if it lost the power, if

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Speaker 2: it lost the ground, if we could prove it, put

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Speaker 2: it and put the cluster into fail mode? You know

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Speaker 2: what triggers it?

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Speaker 4: I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's for example, I don't think it's

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Speaker 2: a bad vehicle speed sensor, because that's what reports to

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Speaker 2: Because why would it affect everything else? This is almost

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Speaker 2: this is almost like a failure of the cluster. All right, Okay,

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Speaker 2: Now I would want to know where did they tap

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Speaker 2: that self start in that remote start in. And then

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Speaker 2: they tap their power lead for the remote start into

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Speaker 2: the power lead for the cluster. Oh boy, you know,

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Speaker 2: and all of a sudden the answer has become very

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Speaker 5: You know, I'm not comfortable. I'm a type of guy

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Speaker 5: that takes care of his stuff. And I even though

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Speaker 5: don't like that. That's not a good thing, you know,

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Speaker 5: driving along and you know somebody's with me and they

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Speaker 5: on with that?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: You know? I would probably I would also want to

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Speaker 2: see I mean, I would probably start with powers and grounds,

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Speaker 2: that the way that remote start is wired in, all right,

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Speaker 2: And if it looks shoddy or shade tree, I would

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Speaker 2: probably disable it to the point that I disconnected from

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Speaker 2: the vehicle and see if the problem goes away. And

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Speaker 2: then the last thing I'm going to suggest is, and

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Speaker 2: it may be a little extreme, but I'm sure that

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Speaker 2: instrument cluster is no longer available from Toyota all right?

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Speaker 2: Is there? But is there a test facility? In other words,

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Speaker 2: if if the dealer were to send that cluster out,

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Speaker 2: do they have somebody that can properly test that under

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Speaker 2: duress conditions and determine if the electronics are holding up?

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Speaker 2: Because it is fifteen years old.

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Speaker 5: Now, yeah, all right, do you do you think it's

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Speaker 5: it is something to be concerned about, even though it's

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Speaker 5: not causing any problems with the way it runs.

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Speaker 2: I think it's annoying. I think the fact that you know,

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Speaker 2: it hasn't changed in ferocity or veracity in the past

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Speaker 2: two and a half years.

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Speaker 5: Right, No, right, the same thing, right, just for whatever

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Speaker 5: reason pops up and then it's like, oh, I thought

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Speaker 5: it was over with that, it's not back.

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Speaker 2: You know. I think if it was detrimental in that sense,

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Speaker 2: it would have continued. But I'd be also curious going

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Speaker 2: back to the first part of this conversation and then

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Speaker 2: I got a run. But I would also be curious,

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Speaker 2: And then if I find somebody that says, yeah, we

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Speaker 5: What would you set as a high priority number one.

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Speaker 2: In terms of what? In terms of fixing it?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, terms of checking it, what the easiest, the

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Speaker 2: Me let me, let me. Let me say it like this.

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Speaker 2: My dad was an aircraft mechanic during the Second World War.

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Speaker 2: So that's that's who I was schooled by, all right,

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Speaker 2: So everything I'm talking to you about, I would record everything,

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Speaker 2: falling behind Tim, all right, but thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: If you got any other questions, you give me a call. Thanks,

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Speaker 2: You're very welcome. I'm running Annie in the car doctor.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back right after this.

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Speaker 6: Don't go away.

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Speaker 7: Whether it's a little red Corvette or you go, You've

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Speaker 7: Ron and Ay in the car doctor eight five five

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Speaker 2: Now back to Ron and next up, let's get back

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Speaker 2: New Jersey nineteen eighty six, Nissan three hundred ZX.

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Speaker 5: Dave.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the car Doctor, sir. How can I help?

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Speaker 8: Hey? Yeah, what it is. I've got a problem with

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Speaker 2: And they stay on and they stay on all right?

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Speaker 2: And how long has it been like that? I mean,

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Speaker 2: I guess you're not really driving it a lot, right,

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Speaker 2: it's probably a classic to you. You're using it kind

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Speaker 8: Yeah, right now, it's it's just an occasional drive.

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Speaker 2: You know, right, Yeah, how long has it been like that, Dave?

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Speaker 2: And you've taken long trips with it and haven't had

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Speaker 2: any problems. Yes, all right, I'm going to tell you

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Speaker 2: it's probably the alternator. And it's not that the alternator

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Speaker 2: But the simplest thing you can do is find the

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Speaker 2: unplug the alternator. Unplug the alternator, start the car, do

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Speaker 2: the lights go out? Well, actually, let me let me

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: The trick will be finding one, you know, because not

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Speaker 8: Around one hundred and fifty six.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so it's due for an alternator. It's due for

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Speaker 2: Let's get him to stop the car and get it

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Speaker 8: Okay, But am I damaging anything else in the meantime

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 2: I can say it like that, you know, a diode

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Speaker 2: because it's it's not going to be all right, Dave,

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Speaker 2: let me let me run. I'm up against the clock, kiddo.

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Speaker 2: If you need more, give me a call back at

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Speaker 2: I'm running any of the car doctor, We'll return right

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Speaker 2: after this pajama. Batteries are underappreciated. Well they are, and

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Speaker 2: it's come a long way since well my seventy two

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Speaker 2: I can tell you that it's only going to get

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Speaker 2: So I thought we'd reach out to an industry expert,

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Speaker 2: Troy Hankey. He is a product director over at Clarios

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Speaker 2: and Troy is here with us today to talk to

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Speaker 2: things related to it. Troy, thanks for stopping by the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 2: You know, more and more, right, I mean, that's seventy

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, just batteries there to crank an engine.

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Speaker 2: Right, and that's all it did. So, you know, today's

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Speaker 4: So most vehicles today, you know, the chemistry of the

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Speaker 2: So, you know, a GM and the changes that come

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Speaker 2: Where's this need coming from?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so if we think back over the last ten years,

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Speaker 2: So now well let me ask you this question then,

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Speaker 2: so we're putting more on the AGM. You know, they

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Speaker 4: So it really depends on the application. If there's an

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Speaker 4: last well beyond four to five years because it's still

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00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 4: performing that simple task. In modern vehicles with all the

436
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 4: electronics and all the strain that's being placed on the battery,

437
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,879
Speaker 4: we still expect the battery to last, you know, within

438
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 4: that that's four to five year window.

439
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,120
Speaker 2: Right, and there's just nothing you can do about it.

440
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:25,200
Speaker 4: Exactly.

441
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 2: We have to think of it as the price of admission, right.

442
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 2: If we want the technology, we want to touch screen,

443
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 2: we want the start stop, we want all these bells

444
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 2: and whistles, We're just giving you a battery that gives

445
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 2: you the ability to do it and safely.

446
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 4: Exactly.

447
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 2: So, if someone were to and I know this question

448
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 2: is off the wall, but if if someone were to,

449
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:43,200
Speaker 2: you know, I don't want to. I don't want to

450
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 2: spend the money on an a GM battery because they

451
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 2: are they are a little bit more money. I want

452
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 2: to put a conventional battery in a vehicle that that

453
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 2: calls for an AGM. What's going to happen? Does it work?

454
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 4: So we we do not recommend that. Theoretically, yes, it'll

455
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 4: start the engine, right, but if you try to put

456
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 4: a conventional flooded battery into a vehicle that is equick

457
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 4: to start stop technology, that battery is not going to

458
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,159
Speaker 4: last And uh, you know I can't put a calendar

459
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:14,440
Speaker 4: year right, Sorry? Go ahead?

460
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 2: Well I was going to say, and who knows what

461
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,159
Speaker 2: effect it's going to have on the electronics in the vehicle?

462
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 4: Well, exactly, absolutely right. Yeah, the AGM is more expensive,

463
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 4: but if you're trying to put a flooded battery in

464
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 4: that application, it's only going to last six months to

465
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 4: a year, right, right, So you're going to have more

466
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 4: replacements with the incorrect battery versus if you were just

467
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 4: to make the investment and buy the correct technology up front.

468
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 2: So it is it safe to say? Has this for

469
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 2: an analogy that you know, using that AGM ensures that

470
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Speaker 2: the vehicle's electronics, the technology that's in the vehicle is

471
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 2: going to receive good, clean power. You know, it's you

472
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,679
Speaker 2: wouldn't hook you wouldn't hook your desktop computer to a

473
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 2: faulty wall outlet that produces less than correct voltage, right,

474
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 2: because as it will affect how that computer runs, it

475
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 2: will affect the computer's life. So we would probably be

476
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 2: doing the same thing to the vehicle putting an exact

477
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 2: batter in yep. Okay, so you know, are there specific

478
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 2: advantages to a GM batteries.

479
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, So a GM batteries they're designed with a fiberglass

480
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 4: map material that absorbs all of the electrolyte and that

481
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:29,439
Speaker 4: offers several inherent advantages, first and foremost being it's a

482
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 4: spill proof design. It's the only battery technology let acid

483
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 4: technology that can be certified as nonspillable, and this makes

484
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:45,360
Speaker 4: it more safe, offers and offers more flexible mounting positions,

485
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 4: such as within the passenger compartment. By design, that separator

486
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 4: material also promotes cell compression, which improves vibration resistance and

487
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 4: cycle life performance even under the most harsh conditions.

488
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 2: Right. So, suffice it to say, it's not just the

489
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 2: electronics that make you know, that make the need for

490
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 2: the AGM. It's also location. It's also how it's mounted,

491
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 2: and obviously that plays an advantage if someone has If

492
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 2: someone has an older classic car, let's say, and they

493
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 2: want to put an AGM battery in it, they may

494
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 2: not have the acid and corrosion issues that they see

495
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 2: on a typical conventional lead acid battery depending upon location.

496
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 4: Right, Yep, exactly, yep.

497
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 2: So there's an advantage there. There's so many more evs

498
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Speaker 2: on the road. I don't know if this question is relevant,

499
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 2: but I get this a lot from people that you know,

500
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 2: there's more evs on the road. Does an EV? How

501
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 2: does an EV starter? What purposes that there's a twelve

502
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 2: volt battery in evs? Right? So what? Why do they?

503
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,439
Speaker 2: Let me ask the question this way? Why does an

504
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 2: EV need a twelve volt battery if it's got a

505
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 2: bigger battery to run the car?

506
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 4: That's an excellent question, and I think it's a common

507
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 4: misconception amongst a lot of people. They think, Oh, there's

508
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 4: this really expensive high voltage battery pack in the vehicle, right,

509
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 4: and there's probably not a twelvel battery, then why would

510
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 4: you need that? But I would argue that the twelve

511
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 4: ol battery in electric vehicles plays probably a more critical

512
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 4: role in that application than it does in conventional ice vehicles.

513
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 4: Multiple reasons. First, when the vehicle is off, that battery

514
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 4: needs to power essential systems like security and support over

515
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 4: the air updates. Right, a lot of vehicles are being

516
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 4: software defined, and so if the automaker has to push

517
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 4: an update to the vehicle, that twelve old battery needs

518
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 4: to be active to accept that update for the car.

519
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 2: So when we look at batteries, all right, and we're

520
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 2: going to take a pause in a minute, but when

521
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 2: we look at batteries, and if you want to think

522
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 2: about this, we can do it after we come back,

523
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 2: or you can answer it now. When we look at

524
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 2: batteries and we're picking a battery for our vehicle, sometimes

525
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 2: there's a choice. You know, there are some cars where

526
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 2: it's this group size battery or that group size battery.

527
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 2: Group is obviously for you and I. We know this

528
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 2: just for the audience sake. Group is the physical dimension

529
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 2: of the battery, not the electrical capacity of the battery.

530
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 2: If we put a larger group battery in the vehicle,

531
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 2: is that better?

532
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 4: So it depends on the application first, will it fit

533
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 4: right there? At least in modern applications to twelvel batteries

534
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 4: packaged you know, in some pretty unique places behind wheels,

535
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 4: under seats, so physically, a larger battery, a larger group

536
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 4: size would not fit in that space. If you're thinking

537
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 4: about older vehicles where this is an up cell to

538
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 4: a GM technology, and if it fits as long as

539
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 4: the battery can be safely mounted, then there really isn't

540
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 4: any issue upsizing to a larger battery, right.

541
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 2: But suffice it to say, instead of thinking like that,

542
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 2: and this was my point, instead of thinking like that,

543
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 2: instead of thinking larger group size, perhaps if we go

544
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 2: from a conventional to an a GM, we're going to

545
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 2: get the same result, but in a safer, more reliable manner.

546
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 4: Correct.

547
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, okay, that's and that's the point I wanted

548
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 2: to make. Thank you. Let's pull over to take a pause, Troy.

549
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 2: There's lots more where we're here with Troy Hanky from UH.

550
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 2: He is the product director over at Clarios. I'm running

551
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 2: India in the car doctor, and we'll both be back

552
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:41,239
Speaker 2: right after this. Don't go away running in the car

553
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 2: doctor here. I'm here, of course with Troy Hankey. He

554
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 2: is the product director over at Clarios. Troy, I just

555
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 2: want to go back to the EV's real quick. I

556
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 2: think there was something else you wanted to add to

557
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 2: that conversation about EV's and twelve olt batteries.

558
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for circling back on this, because I think

559
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 4: it's it's really critical to drive the point that evs

560
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 4: me the twelve volt bat I would say the most

561
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 4: important reason is that the battery supports safety critical systems.

562
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 4: If there's an emergency and the high voltage system needs

563
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 4: to be disconnected from the vehicle, that twelve vote battery

564
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 4: ensures that all the other safety critical and by wire

565
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 4: systems remain operational so the driver can get safely to

566
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 4: the side of the road.

567
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 2: Gotcha. So it's it really is more than just that

568
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 2: battery that starts the car. It's it's it's impulse power. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah,

569
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 2: it's interesting. So a lot of vehicles today have two batteries.

570
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 2: You know, why are two batteries needed? And you know,

571
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 2: how does somebody know if their vehicle has two batteries?

572
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the biggest driver for this has been

573
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 4: the exponential growth and electrical devices with the increased power consumption.

574
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 4: Having multiple batteries in the vehicle helps stabilize the low

575
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 4: voltage network and it provides power backup for the safe

576
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 4: critical systems. And you know, we expect this trend to

577
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 4: continue to grow as vehicles become more connected and require

578
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 4: redundant systems for higher levels of autonomy. I would say

579
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 4: the first place to check is the owner's manual for

580
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 4: more information on battery quantity and the locations of those.

581
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 4: If you're more of a DIY and want to just

582
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 4: do a visual inspection yourself, I would say common locations

583
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 4: for that secondary battery are under the hood, in the trunk,

584
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 4: or even under you know, a passenger seat or the

585
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 4: rear seats. And finally, I would say there's a lot

586
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 4: of great resources and forums online that can provide specific

587
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 4: details about your vehicle.

588
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 2: Because you know, it may not be as simple as

589
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 2: popping the hood and you see two batteries there Jeep

590
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 2: Grand Cherokees, for example, one of the batteries is under

591
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 2: the passenger seat. You you'll never.

592
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 4: Know it's there, you know, so a perfect example.

593
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 2: And if there's a second if there's a second battery,

594
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 2: if there's an old uxilliary battery, it might be under

595
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 2: the seat, it might be under the hood, hidden under

596
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 2: the cowl. So which which kind of leads me into

597
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 2: my last question. Auto batteries dot Com. You know clarios

598
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 2: powers that website Auto Batteries dot Com. I love that website,

599
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 2: you know that. To me, that's that that's creative reading.

600
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 2: That's just you know pastime. I sit there and I

601
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: read and read and read because there's so much information there.

602
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 2: You know, it's recreational, you know, talk about the information

603
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 2: that's there and how often does it get updated, and

604
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 2: it just it's like an ever evolving novel to me.

605
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's only going to get better. Auto batteries

606
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 4: dot Com it's it's really a one stop shop for

607
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 4: all battery related needs. One of the key features of

608
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 4: the website is a battery selector tool that helps the

609
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 4: driver make sure they're finding the right battery for their

610
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 4: specific application. It goes beyond just make model year. It

611
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,719
Speaker 4: really tries to understand driving patterns and use cases for

612
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 4: the vehicle to make sure that the users buying the

613
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 4: right size, battery and technology for their specific application. Beyond that,

614
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 4: we also provide a ton of educational materials such as

615
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 4: battery replacement videos, maintenance tips, and where the used battery

616
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 4: can be taken to make sure it's safely recycled.

617
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: Got it. Yeah, there's just there's just a lot there, Troy,

618
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 2: we're just about out of time. I want to thank

619
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 2: you for being with us today and I'm sure the

620
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 2: audience I've learned a few things. But every time I

621
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 2: talk to you guys, I learned something. Every time I

622
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 2: read the website Auto batteries dot Com, I learned something.

623
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 2: So it's just a never evolving technology. Batteries, you know,

624
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 2: they are sure underappreciated and unrecognized for what they do

625
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 2: with us today. Auto batteries dot COM's the website. Troy

626
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 2: Hankey is the product director at Clarios. Thanks for being here, Troy.

627
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 2: We appreciate you and everything you guys are doing for

628
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 2: us and keeping our vehicles safe on the road.

629
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 4: You'd be well, thank you, take care, guys.

630
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 2: You're welcome. I'm on running and in the car. Doctor.

631
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 2: I'll be back right after this.

632
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 6: Don't go away.

633
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 2: So once again, I want to say thank you to

634
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 2: Troy from Clarios. There with regards to our conversation about batteries.

635
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 2: If you want to get out there, Auto batteries dot

636
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 2: Com is the website, you know. I can't express enough

637
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 2: the importance of a good battery. I go back to

638
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 2: when I first started in the business and one of

639
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 2: the things that this tender young mechanic learned at an

640
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 2: early age was the value of good breaks, good tires,

641
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 2: and a good battery. A battery was the heart of

642
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 2: the electrical system. Then it's really the heart of the

643
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 2: electrical system. Now everything starts with a battery. Is the

644
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 2: way Billy explained it to me, and it was kind

645
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: of a pun. I sort of got the satire of it,

646
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 2: but it's the truth. And there's nothing worse than being

647
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 2: out in that parking lot late at night after work

648
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 2: and it doesn't crank because you've got a dead battery,

649
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 2: or it cranks slow on a cold night, and you

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Speaker 2: wonder if it's going to start. You want that car

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Speaker 2: to start. You want the fire up. So if you're

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Speaker 2: battery in your car, as I've told you before, if

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Speaker 2: you're driving a four to five year old vehicle and

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Speaker 2: you haven't put a battery in it yet, now's a

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Speaker 2: good time to think about it. If the battery is

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Speaker 2: more than five years old, there's no point in testing it.

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Speaker 2: You can test it all you want, but you're reaching

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Speaker 2: the limit because you have to realize, especially after our

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Speaker 2: interview there with Troy, that that batteries are placed under

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Speaker 2: a lot of duress. The electronics really play havoc with them.

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Speaker 2: They're constantly placing a load on them, like unprecedented really

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Speaker 2: in not something that you haven't seen in a long

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Speaker 2: long time. Right, Older cars just had to start the battery,

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Speaker 2: as you said. Now it's it has to start the

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Speaker 2: car and all the electronics cycle through them, so to speak.

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Speaker 2: So batteries are just that important. If you want to

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Speaker 2: know group signs, if you want to know, can you

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Speaker 2: up it in terms of going from a conventional let

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Speaker 2: a S and battery to an AGM. Sure, get out

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Speaker 2: to auto Batteries dot com. Again, there's the value in that.

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Speaker 2: So eight five five five six zero nine nine zero

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Speaker 2: zero is the phone number that's Saturday out on the

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Speaker 2: network live two to four pm East Coast time. Until then,

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Speaker 2: Rod and Andy and the card Doctor reminding you good

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Speaker 2: mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. See you