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Speaker 2: Welcome into Talking Cowboys. Everybody, it is a Thursday. We're
Speaker 2: gonna have lab code in the third segment, So Patrick
Speaker 2: goc Walker is.
Speaker 1: Going to drop some science.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, what are we talking about today in lab coat?
Speaker 1: Listen?
Speaker 7: The Cowboys?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we are talking about the castles.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's good. It ain't at least we're on topic.
Speaker 1: It ain't pretty smash smash, which is we talk about.
Speaker 4: Stephen Jones said earlier this week when he was asked
Speaker 4: on One three Fan if the Cowboys are still a
Speaker 4: playoff team. He still views the Cowboys of the playoff team,
Speaker 4: and he said absolutely that absolutely has stuck in my
Speaker 4: crawl ever since my craw not in the crawl in
Speaker 4: my Where is that located? It's a family show, curious
Speaker 4: at least sometimes never heard of it. Yeah, it's well, okay,
Speaker 4: you're not from the South. I'm not from you're not
Speaker 4: from the South?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, northwest South.
Speaker 4: Yeah, something sticking in your craw is absolutely a Southern phrase.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's a thing. So we'll we'll talk about
Speaker 1: that because absolutely.
Speaker 7: Use in Washington, is it like grinding your throwing in
Speaker 7: the side buttering.
Speaker 2: They were just grinding my gears with that whole thing.
Speaker 4: Is probably gonna okay, yeah, same, Okay, it irked me.
Speaker 4: Stuck in the crawl.
Speaker 1: Little residue.
Speaker 2: Is patrick when you talk about Stephen Jones saying that's
Speaker 2: the ground?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So let's just say we'll talk about how absolutely
Speaker 4: shouldn't have a subjective definition based on who's answering the question.
Speaker 4: Yeah it is the cow Are the Cowboys a playoff team?
Speaker 2: We'll talk about that nice coming up in segment three,
Speaker 2: We're gonna of course preview the Dallas defense going up
Speaker 2: against the Arizona Cardinals offense.
Speaker 1: In the second segment, I did the Lord's work the
Speaker 1: other day, did I did? What is that? It was
Speaker 1: on Tuesday when I was on Good Morning Football.
Speaker 4: They were talking there talking, no, no, listen, I represent
Speaker 4: our people, Okay. They were asking about Cinderella teams. They
Speaker 4: said Cinderella teams. I said, I don't like the term Cinderella,
Speaker 4: but they're pretty much saying like teams that you have
Speaker 4: to be aware of that could get into the playoffs
Speaker 4: based upon their current standings, right, And I so teams
Speaker 4: that are under the radar, under the raid because of.
Speaker 1: The start exactly. And I went to bat for the Cowboys.
Speaker 4: I went to bat for the Cowboys, and I said
Speaker 4: that the Cowboys get into which play because I truly
Speaker 4: believe it. I said, I believe the Cowboys sneak into
Speaker 4: the playoffs and the number two spot in the NFC
Speaker 4: East with eight eight and one.
Speaker 1: That's what I said. Did they get in with eight
Speaker 1: eight and one? That's how they slide into the playoffs?
Speaker 1: So what will you giants? Oh? Seven, well, eleven.
Speaker 4: Eleven, twenty eleven, So you think there they could be
Speaker 4: the twenty eleven Giants.
Speaker 1: Yes, That's when I walked away with jewelry.
Speaker 3: Hmm, you can see.
Speaker 1: That's why you have the date, Bernie. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The only part of me that disagrees. We've talked about
Speaker 2: this before. This team is not as far off as
Speaker 2: you think, and there are there are ways to fix
Speaker 2: it now. And that's why I think all of us
Speaker 2: collectively have said, please do something and the next week
Speaker 2: and a half.
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't know, it's less than that. How
Speaker 1: many days? Now says it's five days.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's next Tuesday, tuesdays.
Speaker 2: So with all that being said, they're not too far off,
Speaker 2: but with the schedule that they have in front of them,
Speaker 2: it is not easy.
Speaker 4: You know what, it was worse before the season started.
Speaker 4: What was worse the schedule was worse the team.
Speaker 7: I mean that's always yeah, you mean, because that's the
Speaker 7: parody of the NFL.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you've already.
Speaker 2: Lost to the Broncos and I hear the Panthers. I
Speaker 2: hear you in both of those teams. Going into the year,
Speaker 2: you probably would have said you had a shot against it.
Speaker 1: But that's actually.
Speaker 7: Proving his point though, because before the season started, that skip,
Speaker 7: that part of the schedule looked a lot leaner than
Speaker 7: it did now that we're currently in it, and the
Speaker 7: Panthers and the Broncos both look a lot better than
Speaker 7: you kind of expected going into the season. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: I'm kind of with you, and I don't think those
Speaker 7: powerhouse teams that you're expecting at the end of the
Speaker 7: schedule are quite the same look at the I mean
Speaker 7: the Vikings we were talking about as like Washington, I
Speaker 7: don't know Washington. I don't know even the Chiefs to
Speaker 7: some extent, Brandon, they're kind of back on track.
Speaker 2: Chargers are better than what you thought they were going
Speaker 2: into the year. Of course, the Eagles, the Chiefs, and
Speaker 2: the Lions are still juggernauts in this league.
Speaker 3: The Raiders probably aren't.
Speaker 2: That you anticipated that being a win, and they're not
Speaker 2: going to go down without a fight. You think Ashton
Speaker 2: gent is gonna have something to say about playing against
Speaker 2: the Cowboys after growing up in Frisco.
Speaker 7: I mean, it has a lot to say.
Speaker 1: He had.
Speaker 4: Whatever he wants to say with the whole line is, yeah,
Speaker 4: no matter what I think, and what really.
Speaker 1: I think, I think eight wins. I truly think eight
Speaker 1: eight and one.
Speaker 7: I don't think that's out of the Roman possiblity at all.
Speaker 7: I think that's fair.
Speaker 4: What that gets you in and eight eight and one
Speaker 4: in the NFC, Yes, in the NFC, Yes, with the
Speaker 4: commanders stumbling it, it might might very well. But what's
Speaker 4: gonna with the the ratchet in the in the gears
Speaker 4: is really going to be if you somehow survive Philly.
Speaker 4: And I believe you can't survive Philly because you almost
Speaker 4: beat Philly. But that's still going to be a mark.
Speaker 4: He's going to be a Philly Kansas City who looks
Speaker 4: back on track, the Detroit Lions powerhouse. You don't know
Speaker 4: what you get from the Vikings toss up. Maybe Vikings Chargers.
Speaker 4: We already know Herbert is playing. He's playing like he's playing.
Speaker 4: If you somehow survived that, those the fact that your
Speaker 4: last two games or division division games could could very
Speaker 4: well fall right into this point.
Speaker 3: I think you need six.
Speaker 4: I'm giving five. Fine, I'm giving I mean who I
Speaker 4: think who they take. I'm not making any No, it's
Speaker 4: not Friday. But you got Arizona, you got the Raiders.
Speaker 4: I think you Minnesota. I think you win that one
Speaker 4: to Washington.
Speaker 1: And New York.
Speaker 3: You got a shot to win all of those games.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's what I think. Eight and one. I think
Speaker 1: you split with Washington. I do too. You've already won one,
Speaker 1: so that means and that means you know, I don't.
Speaker 1: So here's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I said, you split with Washington because at that point,
Speaker 4: if it even if it plays out to what you're saying,
Speaker 4: that means that Week seventeen game might be deciding between
Speaker 4: Washington and the Cowboys who gets the wildcard spot. So
Speaker 4: Washington's going to play out of their mind. And oh,
Speaker 4: by the way, you're in Washington. Granted Dak Prescott excels
Speaker 4: in Washington, but still nonetheless, I mean commanders Washington. Washington
Speaker 4: is having a lot of issues right now. I agree
Speaker 4: they've lost their rather not getting Doran's back for the year. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so they've lost a lot of positions that are influential
Speaker 4: the year Eler's gone. I think Scary Terry is hindered.
Speaker 4: I don't know that he'll be himself this year because
Speaker 4: that quad is just.
Speaker 7: Both of those receivers or not quad is the quad Obviously.
Speaker 4: They don't, So I just think that their compen defense, but.
Speaker 7: At least not to throw water on the conversation or anything.
Speaker 7: But I think that goes to the point that you're
Speaker 7: going to make in Science Lab too. It's like this,
Speaker 7: I'm thinking of the playoff team.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, so question being that the one should not
Speaker 4: get in the playoffs, but it should not. It should not,
Speaker 4: but it has it is okay, real quick with the position.
Speaker 4: We'll have one more show, two more shows before the trade.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Three.
Speaker 2: Actually, Tuesday's going to be basically a trade deadline preview for.
Speaker 4: Sure, positional need and then they'll wait until our show
Speaker 4: is over to make a move one position.
Speaker 1: If you were to make a move one position right now.
Speaker 7: Defensive tackle, edge rusher, edge rush, edge edge tackle tackle.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, you think that you're going defensive line either way.
Speaker 4: You think the edge is going to make a big difference. Yes,
Speaker 4: nobody's given up their premier defensive edge rusher.
Speaker 1: Not yet.
Speaker 3: And I wouldn't be willing to give up the given
Speaker 3: one up.
Speaker 7: I wouldn't be willing to give the compensation where they
Speaker 7: have to give to get an edge right now. I
Speaker 7: wouldn't be willing to give up the composition that you have.
Speaker 1: To agree is fair.
Speaker 7: I'd be willing to give up the compensation for to.
Speaker 4: Get a sack tier because you're gonna get a second
Speaker 4: tier right defensive airG DRC. If you get one, you're
Speaker 4: gonna get a second tier edge rusher. You're not gonna
Speaker 4: get the premiere.
Speaker 1: I think I can agree with it, and you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to overpay it.
Speaker 4: Don't think about premiere. You think about Crosby Hutchinson, Micah Garrett.
Speaker 4: Those are premiere, Yeah, locked up, So people beneath that
Speaker 4: are second tier.
Speaker 1: There's not disrespect, it just is what it is. There's
Speaker 1: levels of everything.
Speaker 4: You would be getting a second tier edge rusher, and
Speaker 4: you would have to give up something hefty in order
Speaker 4: to get them in a team that's going to give
Speaker 4: them up probably has other pass r I'm not considered
Speaker 4: better than them.
Speaker 2: I'm not making that move if it's not unless it's
Speaker 2: for and.
Speaker 4: Nobody's giving up an elite pass rusher. Probably they're signing them.
Speaker 4: That's the point, is what they're doing.
Speaker 7: So to that point that that's why I feel strongly
Speaker 7: about I think.
Speaker 1: Somebody would give up a premier detackle.
Speaker 7: I also feel like linebackers in their process as well.
Speaker 4: Probably one might also give up a premier safety. Yes,
Speaker 4: I don't think if it's a team safety safety, you
Speaker 4: definitely need help as safety. But I think the greatest impact.
Speaker 4: The greatest impact is a dtackle because if you have
Speaker 4: a if you bring in a great D tackle, a great,
Speaker 4: not a good, a great D tackle, and you put
Speaker 4: him next to Clark and Osa, I think that you
Speaker 4: now are formidable against the run. And if you could
Speaker 4: be formidable and take away something that the opposing team
Speaker 4: can do, well, yes, now you can focus on one
Speaker 4: aspect that you're weak. Right now, you're trying to focus
Speaker 4: on multiple So.
Speaker 7: To get solidify one, to be mid.
Speaker 4: At a couple of spots you're mid and right. If
Speaker 4: you could be remotely dominant or at least discouraging at
Speaker 4: one spot and take away one aspect of a game, now,
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, now is process of elimination.
Speaker 1: I can negate what you're doing.
Speaker 7: I don't improves linebacker play as well.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, the linebackers that you have would be the benefactors
Speaker 4: of a solid D line. Think about all the great defenses, honestly,
Speaker 4: think about the great defenses in history. They all had
Speaker 4: solid D lines. Oh yeah, we can't all agree on
Speaker 4: the D line for sure. I'm not talking about it. No,
Speaker 4: you're talking d d ns don't help linebackers be great.
Speaker 4: D tackles help linebackers be great. So if you can't
Speaker 4: turn over your linebackers, and you have talented linebackers that
Speaker 4: just need need some assistance because they're getting blocked by
Speaker 4: three hundred pounds, get the dominant D tackles, and all
Speaker 4: of a sudden, your linebacker has become better because what
Speaker 4: do they do do best?
Speaker 1: And I like that.
Speaker 7: I like the point that you're making, though, is that
Speaker 7: getting a defensive tackle would improve not only the defensive
Speaker 7: tackle and sure the defensive line, but also the linebacker,
Speaker 7: where as an edge rusher would only improve.
Speaker 4: So let me paint this this this context for you,
Speaker 4: and I don't disagree.
Speaker 1: I don't disagree.
Speaker 3: Everything you're saying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but let me and this is Kyle's gonna love
Speaker 4: this guy segways right to the run.
Speaker 3: I completely disagree, I say, and that rarely happens.
Speaker 1: Here happens.
Speaker 4: Here's why I don't believe they will trade for defensive
Speaker 4: tackle number one. You already did that, okay that I
Speaker 4: don't see them doing it twice in one season. But also,
Speaker 4: and this is not from a me standpoint, I'm telling
Speaker 4: you what their thought is going to be understood.
Speaker 1: Who returned to practice yesterday.
Speaker 4: Okay, now you can have the conversation all the live
Speaker 4: long day about oh, is that going to be enough?
Speaker 1: I don't know that it will be.
Speaker 4: So I agree that it may not be enough, and
Speaker 4: that if you were going to entertain it, you wouldn't
Speaker 4: let Perreon Winfrey stop you from entertaining it.
Speaker 1: That's my stance.
Speaker 4: However, let's flip to the to the front office, this
Speaker 4: thought process, the fact that they have returned Perryon Winfrey
Speaker 4: to practice five days six days yesterday, six days ahead
Speaker 4: of the trade deadline, which means they haven't seen Pereon
Speaker 4: Winfrey on the field yet. They're going to apply belief
Speaker 4: there and they're going to tell themselves that Perryon Winfrey
Speaker 4: is the solution behind Kenny Clark and alongside O SO
Speaker 4: and Sally. I'm telling you that's what they're going to
Speaker 4: tell them. I understand what you're saying. I would love
Speaker 4: to be incorrect, but I'm telling you, based on covering
Speaker 4: this team and their moves in their thought process or
Speaker 4: respect your expert, that's what they're looking at all right,
Speaker 4: Not that I agree, but that's what out side of
Speaker 4: pereyon Winfrey, so we can get back on the track
Speaker 4: outside of now this is on track because the rundown
Speaker 4: was Parry, Harry and Winfrey. We can't have any expectations
Speaker 4: of him right now. So let's move him to the
Speaker 4: side as should Let's move him we can's.
Speaker 1: Push him to the side. Okay, who's behind Clark? Name
Speaker 1: the two people it's.
Speaker 7: Switching at.
Speaker 3: I don't, So you're going to go. I'm still I'm
Speaker 3: going to go.
Speaker 4: You're a dominant detail, not not a good one, not
Speaker 4: a contributor, a dominant I'm talking about somebody who walks
Speaker 4: up to the line of scrimmage. You see him and
Speaker 4: Kenny Clark next to each other, and you're like, crap,
Speaker 4: let's go to the outside and where your linebackers go.
Speaker 1: We can run a hit. There's no question about that.
Speaker 4: Does anybody have any questions about our current linebackers ability
Speaker 4: to run and hit unimpeded by offensive lineman. No, So
Speaker 4: you automatically get better. You automatically get better. You're running defense,
Speaker 4: Your run rush defense gets substantially better. Your your ability
Speaker 4: for your linebackers to build their confidence they're running hit
Speaker 4: and do what they do best.
Speaker 1: Increases by changing one one position.
Speaker 4: If you get a defensive end, yes, you could can
Speaker 4: improve in the past us until they put somebody else
Speaker 4: over there to help block, and then what everybody else?
Speaker 4: Every other position is still the same. Your rush defense
Speaker 4: still didn't improve. Your linebackers are still having the same
Speaker 4: issues they have. You can solve a lot with this defense.
Speaker 4: This the safety position needs help because their communication has
Speaker 4: been pepula pew. But in terms of impacting the front
Speaker 4: seven D tackle, get it. And there's teams that are
Speaker 4: struggling right now that have dominant D tackles. There are
Speaker 4: teams that are willing to say, hey, we're in the
Speaker 4: in the crapper, you.
Speaker 1: Want him, now here you go.
Speaker 4: And I'm going to throw this to caut How many
Speaker 4: teams are struggling with the dominant pass rush off the edge?
Speaker 1: Nobody's giving That's the thing.
Speaker 4: Nobody know what I'm saying, Like, it's possible to still
Speaker 4: struggle with an elite name and five dominant defensive ends
Speaker 4: in this league, Doman.
Speaker 1: You just named most of them, and Garrett Crosby, And.
Speaker 4: Are any of those teams give up their guys? Absolutely not.
Speaker 3: So we said we all agree with Las Vegas may
Speaker 3: be looking for it.
Speaker 1: We all agree. We all agree of them are great.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we all agree that they are not giving You're
Speaker 4: not giving up a dominant defensive end.
Speaker 1: You're not. So do you believe that for the right price.
Speaker 4: I think for the right price, what Dallas is willing
Speaker 4: to give up, let's yes, But we don't We don't
Speaker 4: know what Dallas is. We definitely know, we definitely know
Speaker 4: anybody's guys gonna require if you want to get a
Speaker 4: dominant defensive end. You're talking about you're in a conversation
Speaker 4: of a first and a couple of twos threes like
Speaker 4: you're you're giving up.
Speaker 7: But we don't know what Dallas is willing to give.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm sacking.
Speaker 3: I don't know what they are willing to do.
Speaker 2: And if one of the player, if there's a of
Speaker 2: capital to do it and it's going to secure you
Speaker 2: an elite level at Edge Rusher, I think it will
Speaker 2: be possible.
Speaker 3: It is possible that that that you.
Speaker 1: Know what, I don't disagree. Everything is possible.
Speaker 4: However, the probability of any of these teams giving up
Speaker 4: their elite pastors, we.
Speaker 1: Just went through it. Sure, Michael, you just had just had.
Speaker 2: He's the nature of the position. Mass rushers are premier
Speaker 2: and they cost more. Defensive tackles are not that flashy
Speaker 2: premiere position, so they don't cost as much.
Speaker 7: That's why I want That's why you which is fine.
Speaker 3: I get it. Suring shoring up.
Speaker 2: What you've got on the inside of that interior defensive
Speaker 2: line is going to help your football team. I don't
Speaker 2: disagree there, but I'm also going to raise you the
Speaker 2: fact that this isn't the only spot on the defense
Speaker 2: that needs help.
Speaker 3: You need help everywhere else you do. And you already
Speaker 3: if you would.
Speaker 2: Argue out of defensive tackle, ed rusher, linebacker, corner, safety,
Speaker 2: who has played the best out of those five position
Speaker 2: groups on the defensive side, my answer would be the
Speaker 2: interior of the defensive line.
Speaker 1: Even more reason to get a dominant guy. You can
Speaker 1: be more dominant.
Speaker 7: But the second Kenny Clark is out, what are you do?
Speaker 3: He's not out, He was almost out, He was almost.
Speaker 4: But this guy was gonna fall At that point, they're
Speaker 4: they're going to save.
Speaker 3: You can say that with anything.
Speaker 2: You could say, oh, what happens whenever, but Dak Press
Speaker 2: got out.
Speaker 3: What happens when Jake fred out.
Speaker 2: You can have that same conversation with you, but can
Speaker 2: you Disagree's have seven defensive tackles that can play football
Speaker 2: and allow for the rest of our defense to fall apart.
Speaker 4: You have one, you have one that you got three,
Speaker 4: you have one. You have one that discourages the opposing
Speaker 4: team from running up the middle.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: One, let me ask you. Let me ask you is
Speaker 4: keep it one hundred question. What's the most important position
Speaker 4: in all the football quarterback?
Speaker 1: Quarterback?
Speaker 4: Okay, so if you harass, terrorize, and take down the quarterback,
Speaker 4: you probably but you can probably see that.
Speaker 1: Though you can scheme.
Speaker 7: I don't know you can sack a quarterback five times
Speaker 7: in a single game and not win this year.
Speaker 1: There's a handful of guys there.
Speaker 4: Again, we just went down the list of a handful
Speaker 4: of guys that can single handedly disrupt your game. Like
Speaker 4: like what I'm saying, Like you can circle them and say,
Speaker 4: these guys are different, these guys are different, Miles Garrett,
Speaker 4: Max Crosby, Hutchinson, Micah. Outside of that, there's a handful
Speaker 4: of other guys that you're like, Okay, these guys, they
Speaker 4: can affect the game, but you're not fearful of anybody
Speaker 4: else outside of those guys, maybe a hunter down there
Speaker 4: and with the Houston Texas. Other than that, there's some
Speaker 4: really good path streussers. But they're not those guys, right,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Those guys are premiere, like
Speaker 4: cream of the crop. Like, hey, those guys, whatever the
Speaker 4: heck they want, because they're that dominant. Outside of that,
Speaker 4: there's not you can literally discourage teams from running the
Speaker 4: ball straight straight, That's where you're issuing, and then.
Speaker 1: They're going to drop back and past.
Speaker 3: Yeah, then they're gonna throw it all under in terms
Speaker 3: of they'ren.
Speaker 1: You have to make one move.
Speaker 3: This is my question.
Speaker 4: If you had to make one move, that one move
Speaker 4: at DETAC will improves multiple position groups.
Speaker 3: I would argue a pass rusher does the same.
Speaker 1: Not even a little bit. It gives a little bit teams.
Speaker 3: Teams have all day to throw the football.
Speaker 1: And then what if ax is in the pocket.
Speaker 2: What if we talked about with these mobile quarterbacks, when
Speaker 2: they get outside the pocket, how does that affect your
Speaker 2: secondary contain? How do they get outside the pocket. I'm
Speaker 2: not arguing you're not fixed. I'm not arguing that you're
Speaker 2: that you don't have other issues. We understand that.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying is if you had to make
Speaker 4: one move, what move is going to be the most
Speaker 4: impactful for your entire defense. But here's here's where Kyle
Speaker 4: and I correct me from. Here's where Kyle and I
Speaker 4: stand in relation to your Yeah, you went and got
Speaker 4: a pass rusher, right as it stands, safety, safety, cornerback, linebacker,
Speaker 4: defensive end, defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: Of those groups.
Speaker 4: The team, the group that has had the strongest showing
Speaker 4: for the most part of the season is defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: You're saying, throw more at that.
Speaker 4: And ignore the glaring issue at one of the weakest
Speaker 4: points of your attack, which is defensive end, which also
Speaker 4: rather you agree or not, it's true as it also
Speaker 4: helps impact what happens on the back end because if
Speaker 4: you're pressuring these quarterbacks and you're knocking them off the
Speaker 4: spot and you're keeping contained.
Speaker 1: That helps keep them in the pocket.
Speaker 4: Guess what now, Your defensive tackles, when they penetrate, they
Speaker 4: can get to them. Windows get shortened on the back end,
Speaker 4: But when they break, when they break contain, linebackers get stressed,
Speaker 4: cornerbacks get stressed. Secondary safeties can stressed and then chunk
Speaker 4: plays explosive downfields.
Speaker 1: So I'm right there with out right here.
Speaker 4: So let me give you a different perspective from from
Speaker 4: a quarterbacks perspective. I can promise you I was less
Speaker 4: concerned about dns than I was about detackles because you
Speaker 4: can move completely more. All of them can move absolutely.
Speaker 4: But guess what I'm telling you. If you have two
Speaker 4: dominant defensive linement, how many offensive linemen are required to
Speaker 4: block them?
Speaker 3: Probably two, three to four, three, three to four.
Speaker 1: So now now your defensive ends now have what you
Speaker 1: single up right one on one matchups. Correct.
Speaker 3: I don't disagree.
Speaker 1: That's how football. We're not disagreeing, Isaiah, but you're disagreement.
Speaker 4: Yes, you're saying not even an impactful on an upgrade upgrade.
Speaker 4: Le's talk about your egos. Okay, where do you not
Speaker 4: want to go up the middle? However, do they have
Speaker 4: a dominant pass rusher right now? But do they have
Speaker 4: pass rushes who can impact the game? Do the Cowboys
Speaker 4: have pass rushers who can impact the game? And I'm
Speaker 4: not talking about easy Eagles. He's progressing, But for the
Speaker 4: most part, at least the Eagles have who edge rushers
Speaker 4: that are serviceable at least.
Speaker 7: I think getting you a defensive tackle and shuring up
Speaker 7: that spot makes those pass rushers.
Speaker 1: Better better, and you could argue, you can.
Speaker 7: Argue on both sides.
Speaker 4: You can argue on most sass rusher can impact positively
Speaker 4: the defensive tax.
Speaker 1: But you're not going to get an elite one.
Speaker 3: Here's here's just not an upgrade you need anything.
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 3: Your your best defensive tackle right now, tell you it's.
Speaker 1: Less impactful than a de tackle. I'm just telling you.
Speaker 2: Your best defensive tackles right now are Kenny Clark and Osaz.
Speaker 2: That's a good one to two punch on the inside
Speaker 2: of your defensive line. Good When you look outside, you've
Speaker 2: got a growing Donovan Azeraki and you have James Houston
Speaker 2: who have made the most impact at your edge rusher spot.
Speaker 2: Nothing against those two guys, but you can upgrade at
Speaker 2: that position. When you go get a dominant defensive tackle.
Speaker 2: All that's doing is taking one or two of Osa
Speaker 2: or Kenny off the field, and then it's just I
Speaker 2: get it. Are you gonna play three defensive tackles? Do
Speaker 2: you consider Osa to be a true one technique? No,
Speaker 2: he's a three takes three alays. Can he play five?
Speaker 2: Probably not? Absolutely, he can't.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: He hasn't done a whole lot of that. Here's my thing.
Speaker 2: I don't disagree with you that they can be better
Speaker 2: at stopping the run. And I don't disagree with you
Speaker 2: that having another dominant defensive tackle can help your linebackers.
Speaker 3: All of that is factual, all of that can be happening.
Speaker 2: But I think when you have your main problem right
Speaker 2: now as quarterbacks having time to throw picking apart your
Speaker 2: secondary and a secondary that is stretched so thin at
Speaker 2: safety and at cornerback, that anything you can do to
Speaker 2: take time off their plate you're gonna do.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 2: Stopping the run has always been secondary in this defense,
Speaker 2: and still they do that better than they do with
Speaker 2: stopping the pass, right, And that's why I want to pass.
Speaker 1: That's what we are in real quick.
Speaker 3: I don't disagree with anything you're saying.
Speaker 1: You want to be mid everywhere. No, here's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I want to be serviceable on defense, which is the
Speaker 2: whole point there.
Speaker 1: It does no ball, You're right, we agree, Isaia knows ball.
Speaker 3: Not disagreeing with what I say.
Speaker 4: But for the gentleman in the chat that's saying what
Speaker 4: Kyle and noci are missing is that the losses are
Speaker 4: predicated to pun the Cowboys run defense. Okay, we're not
Speaker 4: missing that. What we're saying is the Cowboys made a
Speaker 4: trade for a three time pro bowler.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, so, and.
Speaker 3: They paid eighty million dollars to their three.
Speaker 4: Technique exactly so in their mind, and before week five,
Speaker 4: I'll say the run defense showed it could do some things.
Speaker 4: Before week five and going through now you have how
Speaker 4: many instances of the past rush impacting the game positively?
Speaker 1: Maybe one one New York. That's all you got.
Speaker 4: So we're not we're not missing the point of the
Speaker 4: run defense needs to be what it is. We're saying,
Speaker 4: you are so deficient an impact on the edges versus
Speaker 4: your ability to impact the middle of the defense, that
Speaker 4: you have to.
Speaker 1: Attack the weakest point when you're adding talent. That's all
Speaker 1: we're saying.
Speaker 4: We're not saying the world beaters that were stopping the run,
Speaker 4: we're saying they can't change the game. All we have
Speaker 4: different approaches. If I was a general manager, I want
Speaker 4: to be dominant somewhere. I don't want to I don't
Speaker 4: want to be I want to be in in a
Speaker 4: couple of places. I want to be dominant somewhere where
Speaker 4: are you dominant? I want to be dominant in the middle.
Speaker 4: Take away something that they do. I don't want them
Speaker 4: to have the ability to feel comfortable and confident doing
Speaker 4: everything because I have one guy who may or may
Speaker 4: not get to the quarter.
Speaker 1: But you're at a seventies disagreeing that.
Speaker 4: Our point being kyling out, our point being you can
Speaker 4: be dominant in the middle.
Speaker 1: Wonderful. That's wonderful. Would love that, Love that.
Speaker 4: But the quarterback having time to throw, being able to
Speaker 4: break contain to stress your linebackers and your secondary that's oh,
Speaker 4: by the way, suffering so many injuries. They don't know
Speaker 4: what to do with themselves.
Speaker 1: Why would you cool?
Speaker 4: You can stop the run and then Russell Wilson is
Speaker 4: going to come in and throw for five hundred.
Speaker 1: Y'all.
Speaker 4: What Josh and I are saying is your guys that
Speaker 4: you have that you don't feel comfortable and competent with
Speaker 4: right now become serviceable when you are able to dominate
Speaker 4: in one area. We're saying, if you have to make
Speaker 4: one change, that make the biggest ripple effect.
Speaker 1: De tackle does that.
Speaker 4: It makes your defensive ends have one on one matchups
Speaker 4: allows or your linebackers are running hit everybody.
Speaker 1: That whole front seven gets better.
Speaker 2: As a whole, as I just said, and we do
Speaker 2: have to go to break. As I just said, I
Speaker 2: think you've already gotten solid defensive tackle play and it
Speaker 2: hasn't mattered outside.
Speaker 3: That's that's the point from me, solid dominant correct?
Speaker 1: Solid? Are you even remote? Solid on the even remotely? Not?
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Speaker 7: That was the biggest sway of a segment ever. I mean,
Speaker 7: that was a very long first segment, but the way
Speaker 7: we got into it starting the show, it was so
Speaker 7: good by the time we ended the segment. That's hilarious.
Speaker 1: Sorry I came with the curve ball, but I like
Speaker 1: it though.
Speaker 2: We're football guys, yeah, right, like football part of the
Speaker 2: podcasting space and part of this game and why we
Speaker 2: love it so much, or the debates that come out
Speaker 2: of it, of course. I mean, and as long as
Speaker 2: you're able to be civil in a debate and debate
Speaker 2: with your brothers civilized, it's it's legitimately one of the
Speaker 2: most fun things, so good that you could possibly do.
Speaker 2: That's why people love fantasy.
Speaker 3: Football, because you get to fight with everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I got enough fight my best man at my wedding
Speaker 2: yesterday because he meddled in a trade I was trying
Speaker 2: to make on my foot.
Speaker 1: Dynasty League got mad at you.
Speaker 3: Sounds super villain. I'm telling you I was legitimate.
Speaker 2: Yes, he's trying to be Adam schefter for our league
Speaker 2: and also try and be a GM in our league.
Speaker 3: And it's a conflict of interest where he knows what a.
Speaker 7: Conflict of interest in the use of fantasy football is insane.
Speaker 4: But this is the point we getting it to all
Speaker 4: the legalities.
Speaker 7: Kyle has filed an injunction on his best friend.
Speaker 3: I was trying to get his draft picks taken away.
Speaker 2: Actually, I've got a text message I said I would
Speaker 2: like to file.
Speaker 1: A former formal complaint. I was like, and I would
Speaker 1: have gotten away with it too.
Speaker 7: And your friends say, I'll take that up with the GM.
Speaker 1: Where you take.
Speaker 7: He says nah?
Speaker 3: He says nah, they all down vote Shut up, Kyle.
Speaker 2: All right, let's get into the defensive preview here for
Speaker 2: the Cowboys. Defense taking on the Arizona Cardinals offense. We
Speaker 2: talked a lot about the Cardinals defense and how they
Speaker 2: are going to combat Dak Prescott and company in yesterday's show,
Speaker 2: so if you haven't already, go check it out. But
Speaker 2: of course, Arizona doesn't really know what's going on on
Speaker 2: the offensive side of things except for one guy, and
Speaker 2: his name is Trey McBride.
Speaker 3: He's had an incredible year.
Speaker 2: He is taking steps forward from the tight end position,
Speaker 2: one of the leading threats at the tight end position
Speaker 2: through the NFL. With what quarterback though, But that's the point.
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray has been out the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: Jacoby Brissette has been playing pretty good football as the
Speaker 2: backup there. Kyler is questionable going into this matchup. I
Speaker 2: think Arizona believes he's playing.
Speaker 1: He's playing.
Speaker 2: It looks like he is going to play SAT and
Speaker 2: T Stadium's exactly.
Speaker 3: He is nine and oh all time at AT and
Speaker 3: T Stadium.
Speaker 7: Which includes high school, YEP, college.
Speaker 3: Five and oh in high school.
Speaker 7: I don't like those words.
Speaker 3: At Allen High School five and oh.
Speaker 2: He won three state championships at Allen High School, then
Speaker 2: he went one to OH at Texas A and M
Speaker 2: one and oh at Oklahoma, and then he's two and
Speaker 2: oh with the Arizona Cardinals to make his nine and
Speaker 2: oh record.
Speaker 7: At least he has never embarrassed us on Monday night football, right.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that that that already happened.
Speaker 4: Oh, so you're saying that Kyler Murray is undefeated in
Speaker 4: the building, he's playing back at home, his job is
Speaker 4: at risk of being lost, and he's playing on the
Speaker 4: only night, the only game on Monday night football where
Speaker 4: the whole world is.
Speaker 3: Watching and call of duty's not out yet.
Speaker 7: So and against uh, one of the worst defenses.
Speaker 1: In the NFL. Yeah, I think he's one of you
Speaker 1: think he's.
Speaker 7: Inting there being nice? Why the worst?
Speaker 1: Just stay with your chest.
Speaker 7: It's not Friday yet, buddy.
Speaker 1: The facts of the facts, they are the worst.
Speaker 3: Where y Bright likes better at quarterback?
Speaker 4: That's good questions, probably Jacoby, honestly, Yeah, that's definitely Jacoby.
Speaker 1: You think so?
Speaker 4: I know so based upon the stats, twenty one games
Speaker 4: with Kyler Murray three touchdowns? Was it three games with
Speaker 4: Jacoby Brissett three touchdowns?
Speaker 1: Oh? Very ansterwout That is the math more math thing.
Speaker 4: Two games I fault twenty one games with Murray three
Speaker 4: nine yard average, three touchdowns, sixty seven yards per game.
Speaker 4: Brissette two games, twelve yards or mean twelve twelve catches
Speaker 4: a game, nine.
Speaker 1: Twelve targets a game.
Speaker 4: I fault nine receptions, seventy three receiving.
Speaker 1: Yards, three touchdowns.
Speaker 4: So what you're saying is more yards, more attempts, more catches,
Speaker 4: more catches, same amount of touchdowns in two games versus
Speaker 4: twenty one games. So the way twenty one trade McBride
Speaker 4: is to play Kyla Murror.
Speaker 3: He's a right, that was that was on the rundown,
Speaker 3: that was going to stop trading.
Speaker 1: Everybody.
Speaker 2: Packetty, that'll do it in our finale episode if you
Speaker 2: could do it's a favorite coach can and that would
Speaker 2: be great.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, But on a serious note, who would.
Speaker 2: Dallas want to see a quarterback Jacoby Brissett more of
Speaker 2: a pocket passer, solidified player.
Speaker 1: I'm serious, I'm serious. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 4: Or here's why it doesn't matter, because you don't want
Speaker 4: to see Kyler Murray's little video game self running all
Speaker 4: over the field, extending plays, moving the chains, et cetera.
Speaker 4: Because you can't keep containing. But at the same maybe
Speaker 4: trade for an interest. But if if it's Jacoby Brissett
Speaker 4: more of a pocket guy, well the problem with that
Speaker 4: is you have a secondary that's struggling to cover primarily
Speaker 4: because they're being asked to do something that they're not
Speaker 4: comfortable doing, which is zone coverage. And we talked about
Speaker 4: this earlier this week, Isaiah, you bought the feature for
Speaker 4: from Josh that the Cowboys would break the fifty percent
Speaker 4: mark on Man.
Speaker 1: They moved in the wrong direction. So now you just
Speaker 1: you just don't know what you're going to get.
Speaker 4: So you have to assume that it's going to be
Speaker 4: another zone heavy situation. And so Jacoby Brissett, he's a veteran,
Speaker 4: a lot of skins on the wall.
Speaker 1: He knows how to read zone coverage.
Speaker 7: The Cowboys rather see Uncle Rico play quarterback.
Speaker 1: No, I don't know Uncle Rico mountains. Yeah that's true.
Speaker 1: What if the Cowboys need give up plays? All right?
Speaker 4: So he don't Marico would give the day or Napoleon
Speaker 4: when he threw the pork chop.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I think it's I.
Speaker 7: Think diagnosing this defense for Jacobe percent would be a
Speaker 7: lot easier than Kyle Kyler Murray the offense doesn't look
Speaker 7: as crisp with Kyler Murray in the backfield. But granted,
Speaker 7: it's that dual threat that's going to give you problems
Speaker 7: either way. I don't think you like either matchup for
Speaker 7: the Dallas defense because, again, like we've talked about many
Speaker 7: times this whole week, basically, the Dallas Cowboys are the
Speaker 7: worst defense in the NFL. You don't want to see
Speaker 7: either of them. So give me Kyler Murray.
Speaker 1: Yeah, give me Kyler Murray.
Speaker 4: Take Kyler yeah, because their their past concepts are completely different.
Speaker 4: When Kyler Murray's any game, doue too. Yeah, it's just
Speaker 4: basic stuff. I mean, they do bootleg freaking all the time.
Speaker 4: They bootleg boot leg.
Speaker 1: Because they want him out of the pocket. Wan him
Speaker 1: out of the pocket, yeat. So getting him out of
Speaker 1: the pocket.
Speaker 4: Now, obviously he's a threat to run, so you have
Speaker 4: to have But that's one of the things that Cowboys
Speaker 4: linebackers actually do well. They run right, They run, They
Speaker 4: can run, they can hit, So you can have guys
Speaker 4: that can match him. I don't want to say match him,
Speaker 4: but at least keep up with him athletically. And the
Speaker 4: concepts are pretty predictable. They're relatively predictable. Once he gets
Speaker 4: out of the pocket and you start talking about boot leg,
Speaker 4: there's only so many different routes that you can run.
Speaker 7: As long as we have good communication.
Speaker 4: And then they, yeah, you can pass it off, but
Speaker 4: do you No, Yeah, it's tough for it.
Speaker 1: I figured out just lebron.
Speaker 2: Therefore, is it tough for a defense to have both
Speaker 2: quarterbacks on their mind going into a matchup when they
Speaker 2: haven't had the best success whenever it comes to preparation
Speaker 2: in the early parts of the week. You get an
Speaker 2: extra day going into Monday night football. But they're having
Speaker 2: the plan for both Jacoby Brissette and for Kyle.
Speaker 1: They feel the same way we feel.
Speaker 4: I think they have a good inkling that that Kyder
Speaker 4: Murray's most likely probably And again, if you have if
Speaker 4: Jacoby Brissette was going to sit back in a bubble
Speaker 4: and you guys are obviously not happy with the pass rush,
Speaker 4: then I would much rather have a Kyler Murray that
Speaker 4: likes to get out the pocket, where he's out the
Speaker 4: bubble and now I have opportunity to go get him.
Speaker 4: I just I just don't feel like that's a good bubble.
Speaker 1: Pup bubble Buddy SpongeBob reference.
Speaker 4: I just I feel like you have to prepare for both,
Speaker 4: and I feel like as a veteran defensive coordinator in
Speaker 4: the NFL, you should be well versed in doing so,
Speaker 4: because on any given week you're going to run up
Speaker 4: against the situation where you know it might be an
Speaker 4: injury and you just don't know which quarterback is going
Speaker 4: to start. So this this won't be your first time
Speaker 4: having to prep for two quarterbacks. And then, like you said, Kyle,
Speaker 4: great point, you have an added day to do that,
Speaker 4: so there is no excuse to be unprepared regardless of
Speaker 4: which quarterback is back there. Now, being prepared is one
Speaker 4: thing check hopefully, So what that preparation looks like, as
Speaker 4: far as what scheme you're going to call, what does
Speaker 4: that preparation look like? As far as translating to execution
Speaker 4: or lack the rug, communication or lack the rug, That's
Speaker 4: where for me, I've seen so many instances of things
Speaker 4: falling apart in those latter two categories for the Cowboys defense,
Speaker 4: that be it Jacoby Brissett, Orkler Murray. You're equally in
Speaker 4: trouble because of injuries, because of schematic issues, because of
Speaker 4: communication issues, because of execution issues and because of effort issues. So,
Speaker 4: like you said, be Uncle Rico back there. You're in
Speaker 4: trouble until you're not in trouble with this defense. You're
Speaker 4: in trouble until you show me otherwise.
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Speaker 4: I've been seeing some good things totally. They have some talent.
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Speaker 4: So Stephen Jones, Oh my friend, so one of five
Speaker 4: three the fan, as Stephen Jones earlier this week, if
Speaker 4: he still believes this Cowboys team at three four and
Speaker 4: one with the worst defense in the league could still
Speaker 4: be a playoff team with the worst the worst. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with optimism.
Speaker 4: I have a problem with speaking in definites when definites
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Speaker 1: Here's my problem with that.
Speaker 4: At three four and one, let's just look at the numbers,
Speaker 4: you have only a fourteen four, twenty four percent chance
Speaker 4: I'm making the playoffs. Twenty four percent chance of making
Speaker 4: the playoffs at.
Speaker 7: Three forourm one doesn't seem very good.
Speaker 1: Doesn't seem very good. Not good.
Speaker 4: There's a greater than three fourths chance that you will
Speaker 4: miss the playoffs. As we have this conversation at the
Speaker 4: time of that question being answered, should the Cowboys lose
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Speaker 4: three five and one, and their odds will fall off
Speaker 4: a cliff and it will go from twenty four percent
Speaker 4: to only fifteen percent chance.
Speaker 7: Roberts, that is not good.
Speaker 4: Now, Now your next question is might be well, no, see,
Speaker 4: if they defeat the Cardinals, that's got to be good.
Speaker 1: Of course, it's good.
Speaker 4: Wins are always good getting back to five hundred, giving
Speaker 4: yourself a chance and a division that outside of the
Speaker 4: Eagles is still trying to figure yourself out.
Speaker 1: That's that's great, that's good.
Speaker 4: It's also true, though, that it will only improve your
Speaker 4: chances of making the playoffs by three percent. So you'd
Speaker 4: go from twenty four percent chance of not making the
Speaker 4: playoffs to twenty seven percent chance of not making the
Speaker 4: playoffs should you beat the Cardinals. So will there be
Speaker 4: ground gained, Yes, if you beat the Cardinals. But I
Speaker 4: say all of that to say, you are in such
Speaker 4: a bad way right now. You have so much work
Speaker 4: to do to become consistently competitive, and you also need
Speaker 4: other teams to start to figure out ways to lose games.
Speaker 4: You need both of those things to happen for you
Speaker 4: to begin to have even a remotely solid chance of
Speaker 4: making the playoffs. So again, I appreciate optimism, and I
Speaker 4: appreciate all of the context, as far as who's coming
Speaker 4: back help us on the way, tomorrove On and Savonne,
Speaker 4: we'll see what he can be, etcetera, etcetera. But the
Speaker 4: fact is you are so far from absolutely right now
Speaker 4: that you should not allow that optimism to blind you
Speaker 4: to things like, well, maybe we shouldn't make a trade
Speaker 4: because we have a guy like Perry on Winfrey coming
Speaker 4: back who has not played a game for the Cowboys
Speaker 4: yet in the regular season. That's my point, and that's
Speaker 4: my concern, is that when you start saying things like
Speaker 4: we absolutely can be now, I'm afraid that you're letting
Speaker 4: that do this for you.
Speaker 1: Maybe he knows something you don't know. He absolutely does.
Speaker 4: He works upstairs, upstairs, upstairs that we work upstairs, but
Speaker 4: he works upstairs. Maybe he's in content outside of Maybe
Speaker 4: the front office will always know more than what we know,
Speaker 4: even though we do the diggny to try to figure
Speaker 4: out what they know. Diggler, my point being regardless of
Speaker 4: what he knows, even if they make a blockbuster trade,
Speaker 4: Even if they make a blockbuster trade, it doesn't change
Speaker 4: the fact that defeating the Cardinals only improves your playoff
Speaker 4: chances by three percent to twenty seven percent overall.
Speaker 1: Losing to the Cardinals.
Speaker 4: Drops because you play them before, drops your trade deadline
Speaker 4: drops to only fifteen percent chance.
Speaker 7: Now you saying this is do or die, Patrick Nils.
Speaker 1: I'm saying this is due.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna say it'sdu or die, but I'm saying
Speaker 4: it's due. Or you might as well just order your
Speaker 4: casket lining.
Speaker 3: Oh I'm gonna put that on the T shirt do
Speaker 3: or might as well.
Speaker 1: Or order your casket lining like what is that velvet? Like?
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So you absolutely have to win this game in every
Speaker 4: game going forward, but even in doing so, you ever
Speaker 4: so far from it. Mostly that's interesting. In addition to
Speaker 4: other teams have to start falling ap hard.
Speaker 3: So you said the fifth you said, there's fifteen percent
Speaker 3: chance if they lose.
Speaker 4: To the Cardinals, plus th percent chance of making the playoffs.
Speaker 4: Defeat the Cardinals, you have a twenty seven percent chance
Speaker 4: of making the playoffs.
Speaker 1: But either one of those zero.
Speaker 4: So there is I hear no bell team. Absolutely, Is
Speaker 4: this team eliminated from the playoffs? Absolutely not.
Speaker 1: If you tie? That is how you use absolutely what
Speaker 1: if you tie? I don't like time, I don't like.
Speaker 7: I ain't here no bell, I ain't hear no Bell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, optimism ran supreme.
Speaker 4: But so you're right though, So flipping it to the
Speaker 4: other side of the point. If you want to use
Speaker 4: if you want to speak in definities and unequivocations. Then
Speaker 4: you could say absolutely the Cowboys still have a chance
Speaker 4: of making the playoffs, but you cannot, you cannot reasonably
Speaker 4: say the Cowboys are absolutely still a playoff team right now.
Speaker 1: They are far from that. Make the trades plural.
Speaker 2: That's how you solve that whole debate segment is just
Speaker 2: go get yourself an elite just over and get yourself
Speaker 2: an elite defensive tackle, and then we're all just so
Speaker 2: if we get them both.
Speaker 1: That about it.
Speaker 4: First of all, shouts out, shout out to Melvin because
Speaker 4: even though he's being cheeky, which is what Melvin does,
Speaker 4: what do you know about weird science? What do you
Speaker 4: know about the classic legendary cinema? Oh my god, that
Speaker 4: is weird science. I know what you said, Oh my god,
Speaker 4: oh my god, because that ushured a lot of young
Speaker 4: men to adulthood.
Speaker 2: Back to you, cow Yeah, thanks guys, that's gonna do
Speaker 2: it for us, your talking Cowboys.
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