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Speaker 1: Duel more ways to win. Hi, everybody, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: my Wednesday morning podcast. Well, I thought i'd bring an

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Speaker 1: old friend on to kind of look in the rear

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Speaker 1: view mirror of what we just witnessed. And Greg co Sell,

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Speaker 1: as you know, has been working for over four decades

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Speaker 1: grab him on the volume, and may even be compensated,

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Speaker 1: which good Lord, that's always a bonus. Wow, that would

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Speaker 1: be a good thing, Colin. Yes, So I'm gonna tell

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Speaker 1: you what struck me because I actually watched the Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl from hospital bed on Saturday or on Sunday, So

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Speaker 1: you know, a lot was made of the weapons and

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Speaker 1: Brady and the turbulence in coaching and Todd Bowles and

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Speaker 1: the front. But we didn't spend a lot of time

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Speaker 1: talking about the offensive line. And if you look at

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Speaker 1: say Ali Marpett, who had come out from Hobert thirteenth

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Speaker 1: then Jensen had been a very solid center, and Tristan

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Speaker 1: Worf's was, of course a rookie right tackle. This was never,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, an elite offensive unit. Greg and then

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Speaker 1: as I sat and watched the Green Bay game and

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs game, I thought to myself, Okay, either they've

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Speaker 1: made a significant lead as an offensive unit, or there

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Speaker 1: is something here Brady is synthesizing with this group. Now

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Speaker 1: this is where I really lean on you. Right, I've

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Speaker 1: never thought of this offensive unit as elite, but I

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Speaker 1: thought over the last eight quarters of football, and again,

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Speaker 1: this is something maybe Tom can do pre snap. Maybe

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Speaker 1: this is Tom off the bye week. It looked to

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Speaker 1: me in that game as if their offensive line cohesively

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Speaker 1: was in the elite force. That's what my eyes told me.

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Speaker 1: What did the film tell you that front over the

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Speaker 1: course of a season. Well, let me speak to the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl, Colin, because I think there was a big

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Speaker 1: sense in the Super Bowl that they dominated YEA, and

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Speaker 1: I think tactically they were able to do so for

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Speaker 1: this reason because their defense played so well and the

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Speaker 1: Chiefs never really scored and got to the point where

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Speaker 1: the Bucks had to play any differently than their game plan.

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Speaker 1: And their game plan was this. They wanted to play

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Speaker 1: at a base personnel meaning two tight ends, three tight ends,

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Speaker 1: six offensive linemen. Joe Haig, the sixth offensive lineman, played

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Speaker 1: over twenty snaps in the game. Think about that now.

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Speaker 1: The reason that's important, Colin is because what didn't we

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Speaker 1: all think going into this game that Steve Spagnolo was

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Speaker 1: going to blitz and it was going to be a problem. Right.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't that sort of what we all thought. I know,

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Speaker 1: I did, I thought it would be a problem. But

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Speaker 1: the large, large majority of Steve Spagnolo's blitzes come from

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Speaker 1: their sub packages Nickel and Dime, five defensive back, six

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Speaker 1: defensive backs. So when the Bucks were able throughout the

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Speaker 1: they got the Chiefs in their base personnel, and the

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Speaker 1: pressure schemes from Steve Spagnolo don't come out of his

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Speaker 1: base personnel packages, So the Bucks were able to run

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Speaker 1: into the quick rhythm pass game where the pass rush

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Speaker 1: Think of that twenty five yard completion to Gronkowski. I

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Speaker 1: forget exactly when that was in the game, but that

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Speaker 1: because their defense allowed them to do that. I talked

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Speaker 1: talked to Brady before the Detroit Lions game that was

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Speaker 1: a blowout win, right, and Arians and Brady both agreed

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Speaker 1: that Tom is most effective pre snap and arians offense

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Speaker 1: is often post snap. Great point, and that's what I thought,

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Speaker 1: It sounded so interesting to me that what Brady didn't

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Speaker 1: of explained that what the film set. Well, that's a

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Speaker 1: great point that Schlara made, and obviously Brady knew that.

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Speaker 1: that offense, and obviously Carson Palmer was a big armed quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Brady was more used to a quick rhythm timing offense. Now,

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Speaker 1: Brady was always so good before the snap of the ball.

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Speaker 1: He knew where he was going before the snap. But

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Speaker 1: there were still elements post snap with Brady's offense in

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Speaker 1: but Brady knew he could get the ball out quick.

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Speaker 1: Arian's offense is a little different. The ball does not

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Speaker 1: this year before it all kind of melded where Brady

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Speaker 1: able to mix and match that play. I spoke about

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Speaker 1: the Gronkowski play as I recall now, it came on

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Speaker 1: without losing the big play element when appropriate. When you

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Speaker 1: know when you watch that game, Kansas City had been

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Speaker 1: often Belichick in big games, people he gave you a

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Speaker 1: and say, you know, Tampa did a couple things in

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Speaker 1: Or is there anything Tampa did that really did in

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Speaker 1: actuality give the chief schematic troubles. Well, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: schematically were three things. Now again, there are a few

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Speaker 1: other things they did, but essentially three things. In their

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Speaker 1: nickel five defensive backs, they played a lot of what

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Speaker 1: we call two man coverage, two deep safeties, man to

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Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey. And then he's a good matchup. He's quite

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Speaker 1: an athlete. Right, But if you said that before the game,

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Speaker 1: you'd say, hey, Kelsey's great, not a great matchup, right,

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Speaker 1: the field. So what did David do. He got physical

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Speaker 1: with a specific concept. They started with three safeties across,

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Speaker 1: they played what essentially was a three two six time

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Speaker 1: the season. And then the third thing they did, which

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Speaker 1: when the Chiefs lined up with Kelsey as the single

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Speaker 1: Chiefs had done exceptionally well all the year and more

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Speaker 1: what they did is they kept a corner on him

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Speaker 1: So they played what we call cover four lock. They

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Speaker 1: because big corners. It was either Dean or Davis, two

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Speaker 1: So it wasn't anything we've never seen before. Can other

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Speaker 1: worked in this game for a couple of reasons. Number

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Speaker 1: love to have you here. All right, I'm gonna give

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Speaker 1: you just a couple of random thoughts and you can

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Speaker 1: take your hatchet to it. Okay. If you look at

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Speaker 1: the last three years of Mitch Trubiski's resume with Matt Nagie,

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Speaker 1: his numbers are better than Baker Mayfield and similar to Goff.

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Speaker 1: I am not insinuating he's better than either, but what

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Speaker 1: it makes me think about his passer rating was ninety

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Speaker 1: last three years, sixty five completion percentage, two to one

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Speaker 1: touchdown to interception. It makes me think that Matt Naggie

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Speaker 1: is actually a quite excellent coach who one receiver Alan Robinson,

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Speaker 1: Tarik Cohen hurt one running back and a middling offensive

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Speaker 1: line is a hell of a coach. And that a

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Speaker 1: Carson wentz to a Chicago and they're in the running

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Speaker 1: now for him could be a really interesting marriage that

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Speaker 1: we're forgetting here. We so love to criticize Trubisky, that

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Speaker 1: we're not acknowledging that for an average thrower, he had

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Speaker 1: close to Matt Ryan numbers without much to work with,

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Speaker 1: and that Naggy to this point is an undervalued coach,

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Speaker 1: right wrong, out of my mind. What do you think

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Speaker 1: when I say that, Well, I think numbers are numbers, Okay,

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Speaker 1: because you have to look at what Trubisky's strengths and

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Speaker 1: limitations are. When you watch the tape of Trubisky, what

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Speaker 1: you ultimately see Colin as a quarterback that struggles in

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Speaker 1: the gray areas. In other words, it needs to be

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Speaker 1: really clearly defined for him. Yeah, okay, Now you can

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Speaker 1: do that at some points in every game. You can

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Speaker 1: be proactive, you can define reads, you can define throws.

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Speaker 1: You can't do that on every play, and that's where

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Speaker 1: Trubisky always struggles. And he's not an overly accurate thrower.

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Speaker 1: His ball placement is erratic. So when you combine those

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Speaker 1: two things, you have a quarterback that's almost a snap

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Speaker 1: to snap player depending on down and distance, fuel location,

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Speaker 1: game situation, and then he becomes week to week because

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Speaker 1: of that. So you can contry, you can try to

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Speaker 1: control him, and you can try to channel him and

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Speaker 1: rain him in, but you can't totally do that. So

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Speaker 1: the limitations will always come out. They come out in

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Speaker 1: some games more than others. They tend to come out

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Speaker 1: in the games that matter more because you're playing better teams.

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Speaker 1: Now he does have legs and he can move, but

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Speaker 1: there's a limitation to him as a passer. And believe

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Speaker 1: me that coaching staff knows that Wentz is a really

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Speaker 1: difficult challenge for me because what he was this year

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Speaker 1: was really tough to see. Things that made him really

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Speaker 1: good and coming off twenty seventeen and even for another

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Speaker 1: year or so after that, things that made people think

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Speaker 1: he was a top five quarterback in the league were gone.

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Speaker 1: This year. He didn't see things clearly, He didn't turn

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Speaker 1: it loose when things were there, when the design of

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Speaker 1: the play was there and the read was relatively basic.

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Speaker 1: His accuracy which was never pinpoint, he was never going

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Speaker 1: to be Troy Aikman accurate, but this year his ball

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Speaker 1: placement really suffered. He's got a mechanical issues that need

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Speaker 1: to be fixed. And it's funny you mentioned Chicago, because

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Speaker 1: when John d. Philippo, who's the quarterback coach in Chicago,

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Speaker 1: fixed a lot of those issues. And now those issues

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Speaker 1: that has to be the starting point because his accuracy

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Speaker 1: will never be consistent if you don't fix those issues.

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Speaker 1: All right, here's another somewhat contrarian take that Deshaun Watson,

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Speaker 1: for all the belly aching about the dysfunction of Bill

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Speaker 1: O'Brien and Houston, is a playmaker more than a pocket quarterback.

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Speaker 1: And there is a sense that San Francisco is the

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Speaker 1: perfect fit. But I would argue, in what is mostly

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Speaker 1: a run first offense with a fairly rigid coach, that

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Speaker 1: it would limit some of what Deshaun prefers doing and

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Speaker 1: excels at doing, and that he's actually a better fit

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Speaker 1: in a Carolina with a Matt rule where it is

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a rebuilding offense. He is allowed

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Speaker 1: to be a playmaker and the idea that DeShawn to

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Speaker 1: San Francisco is a perfect fit. I don't necessarily think

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Speaker 1: it is. Well, that's a fascinating discussion. For this reason,

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Speaker 1: every team, every coach is system based. Colin no coach

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Speaker 1: says to a quarterback, Hey, we're just going to roll

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Speaker 1: run around in the place. No one says that now

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Speaker 1: in the NFL, Clearly, because defenses are very good, there

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Speaker 1: are plays in games where the quarterback has to play

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Speaker 1: that it's very difficult. And let's put Tom Brady aside.

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Speaker 1: It's very difficult now for a quarterback to be great

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Speaker 1: It's very difficult. But you can't be off script too much.

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Speaker 1: Deshaun is an interesting case study because I believe he's

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Speaker 1: more than capable of playing from the pocket, and I

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Speaker 1: thought he had a six or seven game stretch this

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Speaker 1: season where he played the best football of his career

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Speaker 1: and he played primarily from the pocket in that stretch.

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Speaker 1: But he also is a quarterback that leaves the pocket

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Speaker 1: prematurely and often creates his own pressure. Quarterbacks who leave

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Speaker 1: and it always makes it look like it's the offensive

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Speaker 1: lines fall. And his history tells us that quarterbacks that

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Speaker 1: leave the pocket prematurely get sacked more, get hit more.

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson to Sean Watson. Now they make phenomenal plays.

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Speaker 1: But your point's very interesting because Kyle Shanahan, he wants

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Speaker 1: his quarterback to run his offense, believes that his offense

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Speaker 1: theoretically takes care of everything, and that there's a very

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Speaker 1: very low percentage of plays, very low percentage of plays

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Speaker 1: that there's no way to know that because we don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's into and watching's head. But I think your point

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Speaker 1: is well taken. Here's another take is that there are

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Speaker 1: many things you can teach a quarterback, but you can't

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Speaker 1: coach reckless out of a player. And I say this

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Speaker 1: as a father of six. Reckless early is reckless late,

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Speaker 1: And that Marcus Mariota and Sam Darnald are very physical

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Speaker 1: coach that out of Mariotti, and you can't coach it

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Speaker 1: out of Sam Darnold, and it will ultimately, regardless of

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Speaker 1: where they land, limit both they have the reckless gene.

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Speaker 1: because I love Darnald, but I watched it this year

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Speaker 1: I think Darnald the Mariota, though both interesting talents will

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Speaker 1: undisciplined looseness to Sam Darnald, and it's very hard to

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Speaker 1: get that out of a player now that it almost

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Speaker 1: plays perfectly off our discussion of Watson, because quarterbacks who

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Speaker 1: But there's a downside to that, and that downside you

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Speaker 1: really have to study every one of their plays like

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Speaker 1: I do sitting and watching the coaching tape, because when

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Speaker 1: people watching a game see a quarterback move Colin, they

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Speaker 1: just assume he moves because he has to. That is

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Speaker 1: not sixty percent the case. And Darnald is a guy

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's fixable or not. Mariot is

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Speaker 1: He's not a power thrower. Darnald has a bigger arm.

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Speaker 1: Mariot is a kind of a a more silky mover.

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Speaker 1: It's just the way his body type, because he's thinner,

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Speaker 1: he's not built like a line backer. But he's not

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Speaker 1: here's another outside the box quarterback take. Is that because

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Speaker 1: But he goes to Oregon that he's actually potentially a

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Speaker 1: greater talent than Trevor Lawrence, a bigger, thicker, stronger arm

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Speaker 1: he may be a greater talent than Lawrence. I don't

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Speaker 1: I give a ton of credit to that coaching staff

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Speaker 1: for that. But he's a bigger man than Trevor Lawrence.

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Speaker 1: He's an easier thrower. Yes, Trevor Lawrence. Yes, we can

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Speaker 1: I think Herbert is more surely physically gifted than Trevor Lawrence. Now,

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Speaker 1: Of course, Lawrence is a really good prospect, and I've

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Speaker 1: I've done nine games already, probably way too many, but

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Speaker 1: All right, So we've addressed the Super Bowl. I've given

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna do because I want to bring you

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Speaker 1: on again, and we're going to delve into the draft

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Speaker 1: at a later date. But I do want to address

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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence. Okay, give me something that needs work, something

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Speaker 1: that you look at and you think yourself, Hey, this

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Speaker 1: needs work. I think he needs work versus pressure. And

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Speaker 1: when I say pressure, I don't mean you know, blitz

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Speaker 1: pressure wears it coming from. I mean when the pocket

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Speaker 1: gets muddied and noisy. He has a tendency and we

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Speaker 1: saw it last year in twenty nineteen in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: We saw it this year in the playoffs. He tends

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Speaker 1: to really hurry his mechanics and rush himself and he

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Speaker 1: loses his accuracy. And I think he also needs some

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Speaker 1: work related to this with his movement within the pocket

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Speaker 1: to avoid and reset. Now he can do that. It's

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Speaker 1: not as if he's incapable or we've never seen it, Colin,

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Speaker 1: But I think those are two areas that he needs

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Speaker 1: work because he definitely tends to rush his mechanics, and

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Speaker 1: then he loses his ball placement. Because he's a pretty

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Speaker 1: naturally accurate thrower. He does not have issues with scattershot.

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Speaker 1: He's not that guy at all. But he's not a

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Speaker 1: wind up thrower. But he's almost like a it's funny

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Speaker 1: that we're playing off the Herbert conversation. He's kind of

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Speaker 1: a full body thrower. You know, it sounds like I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about wine, but he's kind of a full body thrower,

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Speaker 1: not just a you know, turn it loose arm guy

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Speaker 1: like like Herbert's much more of it, just turn it

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Speaker 1: loose arm guy, and it just comes out. Lawrence has

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Speaker 1: a little bit more of his body involved in his

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Speaker 1: throw and therefore, if he feels that there's people around

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Speaker 1: him and that he has to get it out, everything

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Speaker 1: gets a little rushed. And I think that's something that

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Speaker 1: can be worked on and can be cleaned up. But

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Speaker 1: I think it does need to be worked on. Is

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Speaker 1: it potentially because he so rarely faces pressure at Clemson. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's a great point. And he faced pressure in some

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Speaker 1: of those big games, that's right, Yes, and he started

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Speaker 1: to rush himself. Like I said, over the summer, I

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Speaker 1: think eight games from twenty nineteen and I've been through

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Speaker 1: I think almost every game he's played this year, because

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Speaker 1: I've been through every game that he played this year,

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Speaker 1: maybe with the exception of one, and very rarely was

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Speaker 1: he under pressure. But it reminds me, and I'm not

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Speaker 1: making comparison of quarterbacks. I'm making comparison of how I

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Speaker 1: do my work. It reminds me of when Blaine Gabbert

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Speaker 1: came out and he played in Missouri in that spread

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Speaker 1: offense where there are so many on one step throws okay,

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Speaker 1: and I had to keep looking for throws where he

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Speaker 1: was under pressure because they were very few, and I

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Speaker 1: found enough, and I saw that he does not handle

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Speaker 1: pressure at all, and that was his downfall in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Right from year one with Jacksonville. You would get people

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Speaker 1: anywhere near him and he would rush and make ill advised,

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Speaker 1: inaccurate throws. Now again, I don't want people to think

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Speaker 1: I'm comparing the quarterbacks. It's about the process of studying.

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Speaker 1: You have to find those plays because in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence will be under pressure. Yeah, you want to

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Speaker 1: know interesting story. So when I used to take emails

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Speaker 1: during my show. So it was before the Blaine Gabbert draft,

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Speaker 1: and I got an email from a fan. He said, hey,

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Speaker 1: listen to you forever. It almost looked like a scouting report.

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Speaker 1: He goes, Blaine Gabbert is going to be a huge bust.

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Speaker 1: I'm a Missouri season ticket holder. And if I recall,

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Speaker 1: the game he threw out was against Nebraska, and Dominican

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Speaker 1: Sue may have been playing at some point, I forget,

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Speaker 1: but Nebraska had a fairly intense pass rush, and he

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Speaker 1: said he literally became so discombobulated with pressure. He said,

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Speaker 1: I've watched every snap for Missouri. Any interior pressure, he

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Speaker 1: loses total confidence. And I remember that email because I

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Speaker 1: remember halfway through to Gabbert's rookie year thinking I've got

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Speaker 1: to find that email. It's the greatest email I've ever received.

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Speaker 1: And to your point, I had an NFL general manager

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Speaker 1: tell me years ago that most all NFL players can

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Speaker 1: dominate physically in high school, and many can dominate physically

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Speaker 1: in college. That the NFL is the first place you

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Speaker 1: are hit by an equal man or greater, and that

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Speaker 1: some kids just don't respond to it. They don't like

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Speaker 1: to be hit, the bully finally gets hit, and there's

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Speaker 1: just a lot of players. You know, Blaine Gabbert was

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Speaker 1: probably a great high school player. He goes to Missouri,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't get hit. Matt Leinart had a little bit

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Speaker 1: of this where Matt was rarely uncomfortable and when he

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Speaker 1: got hit in college it rattled him. So to your point,

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Speaker 1: I think that is something, actually, Greg, that you spot

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Speaker 1: very early with NFL players that you can see. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you can give me an example or two. I've seen players,

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Speaker 1: and I think he is not comfortable being hit. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and Lawrence is a much higher level traits prospect, and

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Speaker 1: blame gab I mean, Gabrett was a big guy with

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Speaker 1: a big arm, but Lawrence has much more in terms

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Speaker 1: of all the traits. But you know that Clemson offense,

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Speaker 1: and this is what you're learning watching the tape, which

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Speaker 1: is why I watch every play of all these games, Colin,

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Speaker 1: I'm not just watching highlights. I'm watching every play on

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Speaker 1: the coaching tape. That was a very highly schemed offense.

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Speaker 1: There were a lot of one read throws and there's

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Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that asball. You know, Dabo Sweeny's job

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Speaker 1: is to win games at Clemson. Okay, Yes, he got

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Speaker 1: the best quarterback in America coming you know, from Georgia

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Speaker 1: and Lawrence, and you know he's going to be the

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Speaker 1: number one pick in the draft and he will likely

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Speaker 1: have a really good NFL career. But I think we

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Speaker 1: have to be careful about assuming that guys come in

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Speaker 1: the league, particularly at the quarterback position, as finished products.

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Speaker 1: It's not a knock on the player, they're just not

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Speaker 1: finished products. Because the college game is not the NFL game.

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Speaker 1: You ask much more from the position, simply put correct.

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Speaker 1: And I've been around I don't know, have you been

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Speaker 1: around Trevor Lawrence. He's an unbelievable kid. I've been around him.

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Speaker 1: He's just a terrific kid. He's a worker. It's very

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Speaker 1: important to him. He'll figure all this out. Oh. I'm

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Speaker 1: just making the point that here's what the tape shows,

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Speaker 1: and this is what has to be worked through when

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Speaker 1: he gets to the highest level of competition. Now, finally,

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Speaker 1: because I'm gonna bring you on again before the draft,

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Speaker 1: and I believe compensation could be key, so my people

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Speaker 1: will talk to your people. So let me just throw

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Speaker 1: this out. I had an NFL general manager tell me

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Speaker 1: last week there's a lot of good players, but the

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Speaker 1: talent drops off midway through the fourth round. He said,

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Speaker 1: it's a very good offensive tackle draft, a very good

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Speaker 1: wide receiver draft. There's some really shoal corners. When you're

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Speaker 1: looking at tape, your thoughts on areas you like, and

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Speaker 1: you know your your thoughts on four and a half rounds.

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Speaker 1: Not that it dries up, but there's a talent drop off. Well,

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Speaker 1: since I'm you know, it's just a week or so

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Speaker 1: after the Super Bowl and I'm just really digging in now,

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Speaker 1: only just coming on your offensive tackle thing because to

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Speaker 1: two points I would make there and then we'll talk

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Speaker 1: more about you know when we do another one of these.

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Speaker 1: Is you always hear now about right tackle left tackle.

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Speaker 1: I think that delineation is meaningless in today's NFL. I

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Speaker 1: think that the game has dramatically changed to the point

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Speaker 1: where there's a lot of quick game. Number one, okay,

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Speaker 1: so the ball comes out, and number two, the way

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Speaker 1: defenses are structured now with pressure schemes and what they

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Speaker 1: do defensively to attack the quarterback. It's not like it

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Speaker 1: was twenty years ago. The right tackle and the left

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Speaker 1: tackle to me are the same. So if a guy

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Speaker 1: is a left tackle in college. And then I'm going

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Speaker 1: to make one more point. I don't buy into all

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Speaker 1: he's a right tackle in the NFL. So in other words,

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Speaker 1: you'd rather have him face Von Miller. That's okay, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean to me that delineation doesn't matter anymore. And secondly,

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Speaker 1: the other thing you hear about tackles in college is

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Speaker 1: they don't have great feet, so they have to be

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Speaker 1: moved to guard. Well, in that case, you'll have no

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Speaker 1: left tackles because you know there's not a hundred Joe

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Speaker 1: Thomas's out there. You know, a lot of these guys

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Speaker 1: don't have sweet feet. They're not all dancing bears, but

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Speaker 1: they can play tackle in the NFL. Now, maybe they'll

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Speaker 1: get beat once in a while with a speed rush

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Speaker 1: that you know they don't handle. But otherwise we'd have

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Speaker 1: three guys in a draft that are technically tackles and

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Speaker 1: everybody else would be a guard. So we have to

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Speaker 1: step away from this idea that you have to have

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Speaker 1: the sweetest feet of all to play tackle in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: because otherwise there'd be no tackle prospects. And with that

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Speaker 1: we want to thank Greg. Remember to follow us on

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Speaker 1: subscribe button wherever you listen to podcasts. Okay, Greg, this

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Speaker 1: has been great and extended thirty five thirty six minute

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Speaker 1: Greg Cosell podcast. Absolute pleasure and enjoy the tape. You're

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Speaker 1: going to be deep diving on it for the next

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Speaker 1: next six to eight weeks. That's all you'll do, right,

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Speaker 1: That is correct? Yes, all right, Well, good talking to you. Thanks, Colin,

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. The volume