1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. 3 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 2: Welcome back in our number three Clay Travis Buck Sexton 4 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 2: Show Tuesday edition. I want to say thanks to the 5 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 2: great people at news Talk one oh six in one 6 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 2: of six point three FM down in Atlanta. 7 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 3: They are hosting me today. 8 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 2: I'm going to an event for Kelly Bluffler and for 9 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 2: Governor Brian Kemp and a lot of other Georgia politicos. 10 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 2: I'm speaking there tonight, and then Buck, I'm getting on 11 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 2: a late night flight and I'll be in the air 12 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 2: going to Seattle. 13 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 4: Before we talk about Seattle, which that's going to be fascinating. Yes, 14 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 4: are you going to tell Governor Kemp while you're in 15 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 4: his home state your theory about how maybe dark Horse 16 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 4: Trump VP? You know, maybe maybe out of nowhere, all 17 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 4: of a sudden, I think Trump is going to win. 18 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 3: I just want to see. 19 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 2: I want to know what his face is when you 20 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 2: tell him what fav think Trump is gonna win Georgia 21 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 2: by eight points. 22 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 3: I don't think it's gonna be close. I think it's 23 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 3: gonna be like. 24 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 2: I'm I'm putting it on the prediction on the projection 25 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 2: screen eight points. I think seven or eight points. I 26 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 2: think it's gonna be a very comfortable win in Georgia. 27 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 2: Of all the states, if you had to ask me 28 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 2: which state is most likely to flip from twenty twenty, 29 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 2: either in favor of Democrats or in favor of Republicans, 30 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 2: I think Georgia is gonna be back in red camp. 31 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 2: And I actually think you're gonna start to see Biden 32 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 2: spending less time and money in Georgia because the numbers 33 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 2: out there are really bad for them. 34 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 3: In Georgia. 35 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 2: The most recent poll has Trump up ten in Georgia. 36 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 2: There is no Senate race, there is no governor's race. 37 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 2: There's nothing to motivate in state voters for Democrats in 38 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 2: any kind of substantial way. And you'll recall in twenty 39 00:01:54,280 --> 00:02:00,559 Speaker 2: twenty two, basically every statewide candidate except hershel Walker won 40 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 2: by seven or eight points. 41 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 3: So it wasn't just that they won. 42 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 2: It was despite the fact that Stacy Abrams, I believe, 43 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 2: outspent Brian Kemp and they had a close race in 44 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 2: twenty eighteen. He trounced her in twenty twenty two. So 45 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 2: I appreciate the atl for taking care of me. I'm 46 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 2: gonna be down here again in June to watch the 47 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 2: Atlanta Braves with my kids. 48 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 3: I can't wait it. We wait for it. 49 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 2: We got a great affiliate again, News Talk Extra one 50 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 2: oh six point three FM. We appreciate all of you 51 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 2: out there listening in Atlanta and then Buck, I'm headed 52 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 2: to Seattle, which is crazy town. I'm gonna be speaking 53 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 2: at a Hillsdale College event that they are doing in Seattle. 54 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 2: So I'm gonna get on I don't know, a midnight 55 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 2: flight basically and fly all the way to the West 56 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 2: coast and I'll be doing the show Wednesday and Thursday 57 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 2: from there. So anyway, we'll see how how I do 58 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 2: in crazy town. I haven't been to Seattle since everything 59 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 2: fell apart with Chaz. Remember that the Autonomous Region and everything. 60 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 2: I mean, even for twenty twenty standards of crazy. People 61 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 2: looked at Seattle, Portland, and San Francisco and said, you 62 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 2: guys are crazy. The standard for crazy was high, Seattle, Portland, 63 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 2: and San Francisco all exceeded it by massive amounts. 64 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 3: So we'll see what it looks like. 65 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 2: I haven't been to the city since, Like I said, 66 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 2: I think I was like twenty eighteen twenty nineteen that 67 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 2: I was in Seattle, beautiful place, filled with a lot 68 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 2: of crazy leftists. So we'll see how I do there. 69 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:34,679 Speaker 2: But two major legal issues that are unfolding. You just 70 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 2: heard us talk with Julie Kelly the analysis of whether 71 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 2: the Jan six political persecutions, because I do think persecution 72 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 2: and prosecution are intertwined in many ways here, are permissible 73 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 2: or not under the Sarbines Oxley obstruction of an official 74 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 2: preceding standard. It seems likely that many of those convictions 75 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 2: are going to get struck down. Maybe it'll be five 76 00:03:58,000 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 2: to four, maybe it'll be six to three, maybe even 77 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 2: get a liberal to come on. 78 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,119 Speaker 3: But that would come out in June would. 79 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 2: Be a huge story because it implicates half of Jack 80 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 2: Smith's case in Washington, DC. It would also be a 81 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 2: huge story, as you just heard us talking, because for 82 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 2: years leftists have been saying, oh, these Jan six insurrection cases, 83 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 2: they're one hundred percent legally permissible, they're necessary, we have 84 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 2: to hold everybody accountable. What you're probably likely to hear 85 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 2: is that there was major prosecutorial overreach. Simultaneously, they are 86 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 2: trying to hold Trump in contempt of court in New 87 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 2: York City, where day two of his criminal trial in 88 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 2: the Alvin Bragg cases underway, and what we have been 89 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 2: talking about, I think fairly on this show Buck since 90 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 2: August of twenty two, when the mar A Lago raid 91 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 2: basically kicked into high gear, the way that Merrick Garland 92 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 2: and the Department of Justice were going to all come 93 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 2: after Donald Trump. How is this playing in the large 94 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 2: political arena. What would happen if Trump got arrested? How 95 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 2: would they even handle it? These are things that are 96 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 2: truly unprecedented that we are continuing to break down. 97 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think. 98 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 4: Anybody who tells you they know where all this is 99 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 4: going is making that up. It's not possible. Did you 100 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 4: want to get to the Stephen A. 101 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 2: Smith Clay, Yeah, I want to play this because I 102 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 2: would argue that Steven A. Smith very middle of the 103 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 2: road guy. He's not a politically from ESPN. He's going 104 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 2: to come on the show. We're going to get him 105 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 2: on somewhat soon. He's being more outspoken on a variety 106 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 2: of different areas. I've done his podcast a couple of times. 107 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 2: We had interesting conversations, but he had this to say yesterday. 108 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 2: We've talked a lot about black men and the possibility 109 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 2: that if you look at the polling from Wall Street Journal, 110 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 2: maybe thirty percent of black men are willing to support Trump. 111 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 3: Here is here's what Steven A. 112 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 2: Smith had to say about the cases in his hometown 113 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 2: of New York City. 114 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 5: Some liberal friends out there, all you're doing is showing 115 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 5: that you're scared. You can't beat him on the issues 116 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 5: and the merits. That's why he keeps saying it's a 117 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 5: political campaign against me. That's why he keeps saying, they 118 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 5: can't beat me at the election, at the polls. This 119 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 5: is the only way they could do it. And if 120 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 5: you don't put him in jail, and he still goes 121 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 5: from being a presumptive GOP nominee to the official GOP nominee, 122 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 5: and he goes to the polls even though he was 123 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 5: gonna whind about winning and being rigged again, you have 124 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 5: given more fodder to that argument, which means we'll never 125 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 5: have peace in this country because tens of millions of 126 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 5: people see what extent the other side is willing to 127 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 5: go through just to keep him out of office because 128 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 5: they can't beat him on their own merits. 129 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 4: I do think this is a fundamental point. I mean, 130 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 4: this is a central point of everything that we're talking 131 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 4: about here. If what Trump did is so bad, and 132 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 4: if it's so clear he's so awful, why is he 133 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 4: ahead in the polls? And why are they so scared 134 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 4: of what's going to happen in the fall. And they 135 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 4: don't have an answer for that, and they won't process it, 136 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 4: they won't think it through. But I think Stephen A 137 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 4: hits right into the center of it. It's something we've 138 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 4: discussed here many times. The best way for there to 139 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 4: be a referendum on Trump's behavior, whether just talking about 140 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 4: his four years as president or what you think about 141 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 4: whether that should change because of January sixth, This is 142 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 4: ultimately the most clear political question right This is about 143 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 4: who should lead the nation according to the vote of 144 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 4: the American people. Let the people have their say. All 145 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 4: these efforts that they have are meant to either stop 146 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 4: Trump entirely now and look, he's clearly the nominate. It's 147 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 4: not about just having him win the primary anymore, if 148 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 4: it ever was, it's to stop him from being able 149 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 4: to run entirely or now. I think this is what 150 00:07:55,720 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 4: they've shifted gears toward. Just make it so it's really 151 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 4: hard for him to win as he's running, but not 152 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 4: based upon what people want, based upon the fact that 153 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 4: they are rigging the system. I mean this is they're 154 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 4: rigging the election. Even if Trump wins, it will be 155 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 4: an election that is rigged against him, just based upon 156 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 4: these legal challenges. And they can't come up with an answer. 157 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 4: If Trump is so bad, why are you terrified that 158 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 4: the American people are going to vote for him over 159 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 4: Joe Biden? Like, what is the response to that? After 160 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 4: four years of Trump and four years of Biden? Americans 161 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 4: of voting age are likely to say, based on what 162 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 4: we see right now, yeah, I want Trump to be 163 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 4: president again. 164 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 2: It's not even just that, too, Buck, It's that they're 165 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 2: only even willing by and large to bring charges in 166 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 2: juries that are rigged in their favor, that is, political 167 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 2: locales that overwhelmingly favored Democrats. So that's why I think 168 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 2: one of the most difficult and I think Stephen a 169 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 2: hit on it. We've been hitting on this quite a lot. 170 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 2: That's why I think one of the most difficult questions 171 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 2: to answer is not only why are you trying to 172 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 2: keep him from running? Why are you trying to put 173 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 2: him in prison? It's also why are you doing these charges, 174 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 2: Why are you bringing them entirely in a jury rig 175 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 2: to a large extent process, Because I'm not we said 176 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 2: this earlier. If you told me, hey, it's a fifty 177 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 2: to fifty America, which I think it's fair to say 178 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 2: that roughly, it is like everybody out there listening would 179 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 2: have to agree. If you told me that they were 180 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 2: going to try to bring charges against Trump to put 181 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 2: him in prison for the rest of his life, I 182 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 2: would still think it's an awful precedent to set in 183 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 2: the United States, because sooner or later, somebody else will 184 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 2: also have the same result that Trump has. Now somebody 185 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 2: else is going to get charged as a method of lawfare. 186 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 2: But at least if you allowed the jury to be 187 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 2: in a jurisdiction that's fifty to fifty, I would say, okay, like, 188 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 2: let's see how it actually plays out. Which is why 189 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 2: South Florida. I'm not that nervous about South Florida. I 190 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 2: don't think that there will be a jury that is 191 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 2: overwhelmingly made up of Trump haters. I think there's going 192 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 2: to be a jury in New York City that, just 193 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 2: based on the numbers, is likely to be made up 194 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 2: of Trump haters and I think I don't think it's 195 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 2: crazy to think that there are going to be people 196 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 2: that want to see Trump put in prison for the 197 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 2: rest of his life that are a part of this 198 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 2: jury pool. Now, maybe some of them will say, hey, 199 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 2: you know what, I can't fairly and impartially render justice. 200 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 2: We already saw that happen a little bit. They'll step out. 201 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 2: I think there's other people that will be happy to 202 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 2: be on this jury because they want to hold Trump responsible. 203 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 2: They want to be the deciders. And I just I 204 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 2: look at this and I say, fundamentally, we can have 205 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty million people render a verdict on 206 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 2: Trump's behavior, on Trump's whether or not he's able to 207 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 2: be president, or we can have twelve in a incredibly 208 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 2: biased jurisdiction. And to me, the one hundred and fifty 209 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 2: million is the answer, no matter how much you trust juris, 210 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 2: do you want twelve people trying to decide who could 211 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 2: be president? 212 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 3: Or do you want one hundred and fifty million? It 213 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 3: does go to the ultimate point. 214 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 4: I think about the mental instability of many of the 215 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 4: Democrats that are pushing for this, or the the emotional 216 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 4: and ideological surrender that they've had right. They just whatever 217 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 4: the anti trump Ism demands, they will go for me. 218 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 4: The fact that Alvin Bragg has turned that one preposterous 219 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 4: charge it's worth it's worth everybody knowing you or keeping 220 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 4: this in mind. I think it's thirty four right, it's 221 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 4: a thirty four felony count indictment. It was one thing 222 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 4: we're talking about, and he's charging it thirty four times, 223 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 4: which is specifically against prosecutorial guidelines. You're not supposed to 224 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 4: you know, if someone hands you drugs and then you say, 225 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 4: hold on time my shoe and you hand it back 226 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 4: to them, and then they hand the drugs back to you, 227 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 4: you know, you don't charge these as separate drug possession crimes. Right, 228 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 4: You're not supposed to do that, because it's obviously unjust. 229 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 4: That's exactly what Alvin Bragg is doing. He's saying, oh, well, 230 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 4: they like xerox did or they emailed it or whatever 231 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 4: that every time, we're going to charge that as an 232 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 4: additional felony. And you have to wonder that any Democrat 233 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 4: who supports the prosecution going on in New York City 234 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 4: is also telling you that in America today it would 235 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 4: be more just not preferable for you know what you 236 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 4: think the politics of the country should be. It would 237 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 4: be more just for Donald Trump to be in prison 238 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 4: for years and not be able to run, although I 239 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 4: think he would still run from prison. That's a whole 240 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 4: other conversation. 241 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 3: That's insane. 242 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 4: But it'd be more just for Donald Trump to sit 243 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 4: in a prison cell over a clerical error, over a 244 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 4: Stormy Daniel's payoff or whatever hush money or whatever they're 245 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 4: calling it. Then it would you just allow the American 246 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 4: people to say, do I or do I not want 247 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 4: Donald Trump to be president for four more years? 248 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 3: That's it. 249 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 4: That's insane. I mean, this is this is the decision 250 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 4: that we're being faced with as a country, or rather 251 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,839 Speaker 4: the decision they want to deny us as a country 252 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 4: based upon what exactly and the moment you dig into clay. 253 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 4: It's all just so flimsy and underhanded. 254 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 3: It's one hundred percent what it is. 255 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 2: And I wonder how many people that are in general 256 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 2: not paying that much attention are ultimately coming to that 257 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 2: same conclusion. If the guy's so bad, how come they 258 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 2: can't just let everybody go vote? Let the American people 259 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 2: decide whether Trump is able to or not able to 260 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 2: be the next president of the United States. That's how 261 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 2: democracy works. Yeah, eight h two two, eight to two. 262 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,439 Speaker 2: We'll get some of your calls on this issue coming 263 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 2: up on the back half of this hour. You know, look, 264 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 2: people think mortgage rates are extremely high, and look, they 265 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 2: are higher than they were just a few years ago. 266 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 2: And we know who's responsible for inflation over the past 267 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 2: three years time and the rise and interest rates as 268 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 2: they've tried to combat that that they created. But by comparison, 269 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 2: when you put mortgage rates side by side with credit 270 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 2: card interest rates, I mean, mortgage rates are far lower. 271 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 2: Mortgage rates are much lower than the average credit card rate, 272 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,719 Speaker 2: which is about twenty two percent. So look, if you're 273 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 2: a homeowner, refinancing with American Financing can help you pay 274 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 2: off that credit card debt and lower your monthly expenses. 275 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 2: And the mortgage interest is tax deductible. They're saving homeowners 276 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 2: just like you an average of eight hundred and fifty 277 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 2: four dollars a month. 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Animals 285 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 2: one eight two three three four animals, Consumer Access dot Org. 286 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: Slay Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of Truth. 287 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 4: Well, we finally made it as a program. 288 00:14:57,960 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 3: We are now well to be fair. 289 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 4: One of us is being called out on the View 290 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 4: by name. I think the ladies over there unhappy with 291 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 4: some of Clay's analysis on the jury pool situation from yesterday. 292 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 4: This is Sonny Houston, legal analyst of the View, right. 293 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 4: Sonny Houston's went to wait in I believe. Let's let's 294 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 4: hear what Sonny has to say about Clay's opening comments 295 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 4: on the show yesterday. 296 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 3: Play. 297 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 6: What could happen in a case like this is if 298 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 6: you have someone and we were talking about this morning, 299 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 6: someone named Clay Travis is sort of telling people to 300 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 6: get onto that jury. You get one person that sneaks 301 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 6: onto that jury with untoward feelings, that person can hang 302 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 6: that jury. And that's onto a jury, you have to 303 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 6: be call you lie or you lie. You say, yeah, 304 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 6: that's I hate Trump, but I can be impartial and 305 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 6: I this than that, and then all of a sudden, 306 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 6: that's the person jury. Here's how many bloated orange cycles out. 307 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 4: Can I can I just point out this notion that 308 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 4: like what they think, that people are telling the truth 309 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 4: all the time about things like what they like. It's 310 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 4: you can't tell if someone asks me what my favorite 311 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 4: ice cream is, I can say whatever I want today, 312 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 4: it's not a lie because they can't prove that it's not. 313 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 4: I could change. I can say whatever I feel like. 314 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 4: They're just trying to get a sense of who these 315 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 4: people are. They're living in some fantasy land where it's like, oh, 316 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 4: everyone's always just, you know, totally forthright with all their 317 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 4: feelings about everything. 318 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 3: Well, you know, feelings change. Well. 319 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 2: Also, what she's saying is wrong, because you shouldn't get 320 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 2: on the jury by saying I hate Trump or I 321 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 2: love Trump. But so you shouldn't lie, first of all, 322 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 2: in the jury. But to your point, it's difficult to explain, 323 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 2: like what is and what is not a lie? Person, 324 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 2: it's a lie when it comes to your your feelings 325 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 2: about something, feelings change. Her argument is a bad one 326 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 2: just on its I mean, she's not very good on 327 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 2: any kind of argument. But when she says somebody could 328 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 2: sneak on the jury by saying I hate Trump, you 329 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 2: shouldn't get on the jury by saying you hate or 330 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 2: love Trump, because the expectation would be that you would 331 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 2: be biased one way or the other. 332 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 3: Correct. Nobody's gonna get like the way to do it. 333 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 4: I have no opinion on Donald Trump at all. I 334 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 4: don't even think about him. 335 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 2: I've never even heard anything about Stormy Daniels. By the way, 336 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 2: I got a question for you. We come back, we'll 337 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 2: have some fun with this. You know, a big part 338 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 2: of selecting a jury is trying to analyze which jurors 339 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 2: would be most favorable to you. What is something you 340 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 2: could see if you were a warrior on either side 341 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:44,719 Speaker 2: of this case, Buck, think about it. I've got an 342 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 2: answer for you that you would say, this person, we 343 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 2: don't want them on the jury at all. 344 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 4: And I think I know what you're gonna say. I mean, 345 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 4: if you're Trump's people, you don't want anybody with pronouns 346 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 4: and bio. 347 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 2: That's not my answer, but that is a very good one. 348 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 2: That's one we'll get to the come back. We'll get 349 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 2: to this. 350 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 4: If you keep valuables in your home, jewelry and cash, 351 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 4: important papers, you need a safe to protect them. 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It's gonna be Clay at the help I. 370 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 3: Get arrested while you're out on vacation. I don't know. 371 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 4: I was just thinking about this. I might have to 372 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 4: fly back from my romantic escape. 373 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 2: Sorry if I've been about have to fly back from 374 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 2: parts because I might be handcuffed and unable to do 375 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 2: the show. 376 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, it'll be like you know in the Crown when 377 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 4: Queen Elizabeth is where is she and she has to 378 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 4: come off of her a safari to go back because 379 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 4: you know she's the queen or whatever. 380 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 2: Now, that would be That would be the highest rated 381 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,719 Speaker 2: segment we ever had. If they arrested me live on 382 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 2: the air, well, then all of a sudden, I mean, 383 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 2: the video component of this would be particularly compelling. Really, 384 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 2: we're audio first, obviously we're radio and podcasts, but we 385 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 2: do have a video component. Go subscribe clayanbuck dot com, 386 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 2: become a VIP. The video is behind the paywall for 387 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 2: everybody out there. But yes, that would be I mean 388 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 2: that that. I also wonder like, could you say, hey, guys, 389 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 2: can I finish the segment? 390 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 3: You know what I mean? They give you the well 391 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 3: they give you the better to me of finishing the segment. 392 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 2: To me, I'm not even sure would it be I 393 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 2: mean it would be state, right, So would they have 394 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 2: to get State of Tennessee officials, in which case they're 395 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 2: probably fans, Like they don't want to be arresting me. 396 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:10,880 Speaker 3: They'd be apologetic. I think they might. 397 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 4: They would send I know this because friends of mine 398 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 4: in the Florida or Miami PD have worked with NYPD. 399 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 4: Sometimes there are like theft rings where they'll steal something 400 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 4: of you know, they'll steal like a watch for a 401 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 4: million dollars or something here. 402 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 3: Because there are a million dollar watches out there. That's crazy. 403 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 4: And I mean I say that because there really are, 404 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 4: Like this is the thing that happens, and you know, 405 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 4: they'll try to someone will try to fence it, sell 406 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 4: it in New York and then they'll you know, they'll 407 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 4: send NYPD you know, task force or deputies down here. 408 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 4: There's some way that they make it happen. But none 409 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 4: of this is going to happen. That Swalwell's legal theory 410 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 4: is so stupid. Remember it comes from Eric Swawell. 411 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 3: Everybody, right, like. 412 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 4: This is this is if if Swalell is my defense 413 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 4: attorney on something I would demand to represent myself and 414 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 4: would be trying to get a deal. Like I would 415 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 4: be like, there's no chance that I'm gonna get off 416 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 4: if Swollwell is. 417 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 2: Yesterday everybody wanted me arrested. Nobody's calling for my arrest 418 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 2: today like I can't. I was at My mentions were 419 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 2: a mess. I could barely get on social media, and 420 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 2: then today it's like, oh, well, they just moved on 421 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 2: to something else. CNN talked about it last night Sunny 422 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 2: hostin obviously today one. 423 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 4: Here's the thing, here's a problem for them. Stephen Colbert says, 424 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 4: we need you to get picked for jury duty to 425 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 4: his audience of communists. This is cut too play it. 426 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 7: The official name of the trial is the people of 427 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,679 Speaker 7: the State of New York versus Donald Trump. The people 428 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 7: of the State of New York. 429 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 3: That's us. 430 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 7: Okay, hold on, hold on, I know you're excited, but 431 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 7: don't cheer too loud. 432 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 3: We need you to get picked for Jerry too. 433 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 4: Oh so he's suggesting subterfuge to get on that jury 434 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 4: to see what they would say. Well, here's kidding, all right, 435 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 4: whatever you were kidding too. They can all shut up 436 00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 4: a bunch of communists ridiculous. 437 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 2: See an, I'm gonna demand the arrest of Stephen Colbert. 438 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 2: I mean I need that clip to share because my goodness, 439 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 2: I mean, I have to grab my pearls and fall 440 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,959 Speaker 2: on my fainting couch. I I don't know that I 441 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 2: can allow that commentary. 442 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 4: A reality TV show, that would be you and Trump 443 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 4: sharing a sell bunk beds, the whole thing, Probably the 444 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 4: greatest TV show of all time. It would be It 445 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 4: would be amazing. 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Let's take some 454 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 4: calls after you've subscribe to Crocket Coffee, Tom and San Diego, 455 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 4: what have you got for us? 456 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 3: Tom? 457 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 8: Hey, guys, great show. Thanks for picking up the slack 458 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 8: from Rashman. I was a long time listener. They interviewed 459 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 8: Garret Ghos and he said, can Trump he's honest, he's 460 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 8: you know, for for a lawyer, I guess he could 461 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 8: be an honest one. He says, not a chance to 462 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 8: have a fair trial there in New York. Here's my 463 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 8: one question. What kind of guy orders up ten thousand 464 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 8: National Guard troops to counter his resurrection? His insurrection, excuse me, 465 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 8: his insurrection? Nobody ever brings that up. He called up, 466 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 8: tried to get ten thousand troops there. Nobody ever counters that. 467 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 8: And I wish you guys would ask these guys. I 468 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 8: know you have a format, but Woodward Bernstein or Joe 469 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 8: to come on your show. Try to find that worse 470 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 8: woodword in Bernstein trying to find the money from China 471 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 8: going into the Bide account. They found the Knison deal 472 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 8: and they made a lot of money. But why are 473 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 8: they bailing out on this thing? 474 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 3: When you said Joe, you mean Joe Scarborough? Yeah, I 475 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 3: think Joe. They don't want I mean, thank you for 476 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 3: the call. 477 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 2: They don't want to catch democrats doing bad things. Oh, 478 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 2: I mean that's the difference between I've made this argument 479 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 2: when I was in college the Washington Post. I know 480 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 2: it initially broke on Drudge. By the way, Drudge has 481 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 2: lost its mind. Do you see the headlines and the 482 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 2: articles that I never talked about. 483 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 3: It's so sad. The Drudge Report was my clay. 484 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 4: It was my homepage starting from when I got my 485 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 4: first computer, all the way through college and really into 486 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 4: my twenties. I don't know Matt Drudge. I don't know 487 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 4: what happened. It's very sad for me. He was like, 488 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 4: he was my guy for a long time. In terms 489 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 4: of news curation. 490 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 2: The story of what's happened there is wild and they 491 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 2: are super anti Trump now on the Drudge Report, but 492 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 2: that's where they broke the Monica Lewinsky story. But the 493 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 2: only time in my life that I remember going out 494 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 2: and getting a newspaper, seeing news on the front page 495 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 2: and thinking, oh my goodness, this is going to change everything. 496 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 3: I know. 497 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 2: That's how news used to break, or frequently did, was 498 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 2: the Washington Post story about Monica Lewinsky. When I was 499 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 2: in college. They used to break negative stories about democrats. 500 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 4: Well, that's because they were trying to also get ahead 501 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 4: of the other they realized the Internet was making them 502 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 4: break it because otherwise it was going to get everywhere anyway, right, Like, 503 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 4: they couldn't hold it the same way they used to 504 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 4: be able to bow in Nashville. 505 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:23,120 Speaker 3: What have you got for us, bow? 506 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: Yes, I've done a lot of criminal trials. So, Clay, 507 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: you talked about jury nullification the other day. I just 508 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: wanted to mention the problem with that is if the 509 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: jurors are hearing from the defense attorneys, Hey, you guys 510 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 1: can decide the law is wrong on this. Just because 511 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 1: this guy obviously killed his wife and a bartender doesn't 512 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 1: mean you have to find him guilty. The judge is 513 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: going to shut that down. The judge is going to 514 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: tell the jurors you do not have the option of 515 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 1: jury mullification. He's going to tell them you have to 516 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,719 Speaker 1: follow the law I give you. So I don't have 517 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: a whole lot of faith in that actually working in 518 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 1: his favorite New York. 519 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 4: No, No, sure, but I mean no one can read into 520 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 4: human hearts and human minds, so somebody can make it 521 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 4: determine nation themselves. Remember, it's just the judgment of the individual. 522 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 4: Jurors don't have to justify anything They just say guilty, 523 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 4: not guilty. 524 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 2: Remember the OJ juror we played for you said after 525 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 2: the jury verdict, we did this because of Rodney King. 526 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 2: This was in some way revenge for the Rodney King 527 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 2: beating case. They didn't actually look at the facts of 528 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 2: the OJ case. They just decided OJ should be innocent 529 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 2: because he was black in America had treated Rodney King 530 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 2: and other black people in LA unfairly. 531 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 3: In their opinion, they. 532 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 4: Better not come pick you up in a white Bronco 533 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 4: for your trip to Seattle play because New York lvin Bragg. 534 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 3: You're on notice. 535 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: Slave Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth. 536 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 3: Welcome back here to Clay and Buck. 537 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 4: Just a little programming note, the Clay will be loose 538 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 4: on Thursday and Friday. 539 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:00,040 Speaker 3: It's gonna be Clay at the hell. 540 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 4: If I get arrested while you're out on vacatim No, 541 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 4: I was just thinking about this. I might have to 542 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 4: fly back from my romance escape. 543 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 2: Sorry if I'm about have to fly back from parts 544 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 2: because I might be handcuffed and unable to do the show. 545 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, it'll be like you know in the Crown when 546 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 4: Queen Elizabeth is where is she and she has to 547 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 4: come off of for a safari to go back because 548 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 4: you know she's the queen or whatever. 549 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,959 Speaker 2: Now that would be that'd be the highest rated segment 550 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 2: we ever had. If they arrested me live on the air, well, 551 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 2: then all of. 552 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 4: A sudden, I mean, the video component of this would 553 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 4: be particularly compelling. Really, we're audio first, obviously we're radio 554 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,439 Speaker 4: and podcasts, but we do have a video component. Go 555 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 4: subscribe clayanbuck dot com. Become a VIP. The video is 556 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 4: behind the paywall for everybody out there. But yes, that 557 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 4: would be I mean that that. I also wonder like, 558 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 4: could you say, hey, guys, can I finish the segment? 559 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 4: You know what I mean, they give you, They give 560 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 4: you the better to me of finishing the segment. 561 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 3: Who would arrest me? I'm not even sure would it be? 562 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 2: I mean it would be state, right, so would they 563 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 2: have to get State of Tennessee officials, in which case 564 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 2: they're probably fans, Like they don't want to be arresting me. 565 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 2: They'd be apologetic. 566 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 3: I think they might. 567 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 4: They would send I know this because friends of mine 568 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 4: in the Florida or Miami PD have worked with NYPD. 569 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 4: Sometimes there are like theft rings, but they'll steal something 570 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 4: of you know, they'll steal like a watch for a 571 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 4: million dollars or something. 572 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 3: Here, because there are a million dollar watches out there. 573 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 3: That's crazy. 574 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 4: And I mean I say that because there really are, 575 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,679 Speaker 4: Like this is the thing that happens. Uh, And you 576 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 4: know they'll try to someone will try to fence it, 577 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 4: sell it in New York and then they'll you know, 578 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 4: they'll send NYPD, you know, task force or deputies down here. 579 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 4: There's some way that they they make it happen. But 580 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 4: none of this is going to happen. That Swalwell's legal 581 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 4: theory is so stupid. Remember it comes from Eric Swalwell. 582 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 4: Everybody right like this is this is if if Swalwell 583 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 4: is my defense attorney on something, I would demand to 584 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 4: represent myself and would be trying to get a deal. 585 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 4: Like I would be like, there's no chance that I'm 586 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 4: gonna get off if Swalwell. 587 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 2: Is yesterday, everybody wanted me arrested. Nobody is calling for 588 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 2: my arrest today, like I can't. I was at my 589 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 2: mentions were a mess. I could barely get on social media, 590 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 2: and then today it's like, oh. 591 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 3: Well, they just moved on to something else. 592 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 2: CNN talked about it last night Sunny hostin obviously today. 593 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 4: Here's the thing, here's a problem for them. Stephen Colbert says, 594 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 4: we need you to get picked for jury duty to 595 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 4: his audience of communists. This is cut too play it. 596 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,479 Speaker 7: The official name of the trial is the people of 597 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 7: the State of New York versus Donald Trump. The people 598 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 7: of the State of New York. 599 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 3: That's us. 600 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 8: Okay, hold on, hold. 601 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 7: On, I know you're excited, but don't cheer too loud. 602 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 3: We need you to get picked for Jerry too. 603 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 4: Oh so he's suggesting subterfuge to get on that jury. 604 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 4: To see that they would say, well, here's kidding, all right, 605 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 4: whatever you were kidding. 606 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 3: Too, they can all shut up. A bunch of communists. Ridiculous. 607 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 2: CNN going to demand the arrest of Stephen Colbert. I 608 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 2: mean I need that clip to share because my goodness, 609 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 2: I mean, I have to grab my pearls and fall 610 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 2: on my fainting couch. I I don't know that I 611 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 2: can allow that commentary. 612 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 4: A reality TV show that would be you and Trump 613 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 4: sharing a cell, bunk beds, the whole thing. Probably the 614 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 4: greatest TV show of all time. It would be it 615 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 4: would be amazing. I'm just saying, all right, we have 616 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 4: a VIP email from Patrick says, guys, I hate mornings, 617 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 4: but now I have a reason to get out of bed. 618 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 4: Crockett Coffee my new reason to live. 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It was a long time listener. 628 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 8: They interviewed Garrett Gohs and he said. 629 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: In Trump he's honest. 630 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 8: He's you know, for a lawyer, I guess he could 631 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 8: be an honest one. He says, not a chance to 632 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 8: have a fair trial there in New York. Here's my 633 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 8: one question. What kind of guy orders up ten thousand 634 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 8: National Guard troops to counter his resurrection? His insurrection, excuse me, 635 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 8: his insurrection? Nobody ever brings that up. He called up 636 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 8: tried to get ten thousand troops there. Nobody ever counters that. 637 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 8: And I wish you guys would ask these guys. I 638 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 8: know you have a format, but Woodward Bernstein or Joe 639 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 8: to come on your show, try to find the worst 640 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 8: Woodward in Bernstein trying to find the money from China 641 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 8: going into the bid account. They found the Nixon deal 642 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 8: and they made a lot of money. But why are 643 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 8: they bailing out on this thing? 644 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 3: When you said Joe, do you mean Joe Scarborough? Yeah, 645 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 3: I think they don't want I mean, thank you for 646 00:31:59,040 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 3: the call. 647 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 2: They I don't want to catch democrats doing bad things. Oh, 648 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 2: I mean that's the difference between I've made this argument 649 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 2: when I was in college the Washington Post. I know 650 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 2: it initially broke on Drudge. By the way, Drudge has 651 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 2: lost its mind. Do you see the headlines and the 652 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 2: articles that I never talked about. It's so sad. The 653 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 2: Drudge Report was my clay. It was my homepage starting 654 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 2: from when I got my first computer, all the way 655 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 2: through college and really into my twenties. I don't know, 656 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 2: Matt Drudge, I don't know what happened. It's very sad 657 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 2: for me. He was like he was my guy for 658 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 2: a long time. In terms of news curation, the story 659 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 2: of what's happened there is wild and they are super 660 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 2: anti Trump now on the Drudge Report, but that's where 661 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 2: they broke the Monica Lewinsky story. But the only time 662 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 2: in my life that I remember going out and getting 663 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 2: a newspaper, seeing news on the front page and thinking, 664 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 2: oh my goodness, this is going to change everything. 665 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 3: I know. 666 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 2: That's how news used to break, or frequently did, was 667 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 2: the Washington Post story about Monica Lewinsky. When I was 668 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 2: in college. They used to break negative stories about democrats. 669 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 4: Well, that's because they were trying to also get ahead 670 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 4: of the other They realized the Internet was making them 671 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 4: break it because otherwise it was going to get everywhere anyway, right, 672 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 4: Like they couldn't hold it the same way they used 673 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 4: to be able to bow in Nashville. 674 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 3: What have you got for us? Bow? Yeah. 675 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: I've done a lot of criminal trials. So, Clay, you 676 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: talked about jury nullification the other day. I just wanted 677 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: to mention the problem with that is if the jurors 678 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: are hearing from the defense attorneys, Hey, you guys can 679 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: decide the law is wrong on this. Just because this 680 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: guy obviously killed his wife and a bartender doesn't mean 681 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: you have to find him guilty. The judge is going 682 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: to shut that down. The judge is going to tell 683 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: the jurors you do not have the option of jury mullification. 684 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 1: He's going to tell them you have to follow the 685 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: law I give you. So I don't have a whole 686 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 1: lot of faith in that actually working in his favorite New. 687 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 4: York No, No, sure, but I mean no one can 688 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 4: read into human hearts and human minds. So somebody can 689 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 4: make a determination themselves. I member, it's just the judgment 690 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 4: of the individual. Jurors don't have to justify any thing. 691 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 4: They just say guilty, not guilty. 692 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 2: Remember the OJ jurory we played for you said after 693 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 2: the jury verdict, we did this because of Rodney King. 694 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 2: This was in some way revenge for the Rodney King 695 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 2: beating case. They didn't actually look at the facts of 696 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 2: the OJ case. They just decided OJ should be innocent 697 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 2: because he was black in America had treated Rodney King 698 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 2: and other black people in LA unfairly. 699 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 3: In their opinion, they'd 700 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 4: Better not come pick you up in a white bronco 701 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,800 Speaker 4: for your trip to Seattle play because New York Alvin Bragg, 702 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 4: you're on notice.