WEBVTT - Listener Mail: Peak Hour 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:05.360 Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind production of My 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:10.360 Heart Radio. Hey, are you welcome to do Stuff to 0:00:10.400 --> 0:00:13.600 Blow Your Mind listener mail. My name is Robert lamp 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:16.520 and I'm Joe McCormick, and it's Monday, the day of 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:19.160 the week that we usually read back messages that you 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:21.840 have sent into the show account. By the way, if 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:23.560 you've never written in and you'd like to get in 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:26.880 touch to share something interesting or with feedback on a 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:30.880 recent episode, you can always contact us at contact at 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:34.680 stuff to Blow your Mind dot com. Let's see Robney 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:38.720 business before we jump right in on these messages about throwing, 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:41.240 no business, Let's get right down to the business of 0:00:41.320 --> 0:00:44.839 listener mail. Okay, So this is in response to our 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:48.720 series on throwing behavior, first in animals, and then we 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:57.360 eventually talked about throwing in humans. There were a couple 0:00:57.400 --> 0:01:01.840 of emails from listeners Nobile and Marley on the subject 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:06.040 of octopus throwing. Not octopus is throwing, but octopus is 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:10.080 being thrown. So first, Marley writes, Hi, Joe and Robert, 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:12.080 I've been an avid listener since I was in high 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:15.120 school and your episodes on animals throwing objects was extremely 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:17.640 interesting to me. It just so happens that I saw 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:20.560 this video on my Reddit feed come up. It appears 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:23.959 as if a seal or sea lion throws an octopus 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:27.680 at a kayaking bystander, and then Marley includes a link 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:29.839 to the video. He says, hope you had a great 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:32.560 holiday season and I always look forward to more podcasts 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:34.960 from you two when they appear in my feed. Sincerely, 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:39.559 Marley uh Now Robinson's Nabile's message also addresses this. Should 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:42.000 we save reaction until after we get through that part 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:44.560 of the next one? Yeah, let's do them both first, 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:48.280 Okay okay. Nabil also writes, Hi, rob and Joe. When 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:50.960 I saw the title of the podcast animals throwing things 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:54.240 appear in my podcast feed, one instance of this immediately 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:58.280 came to mind. When you started a lengthy discussion about octopuses. 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:00.560 I was sure this example would come up, but it 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:03.720 was not mentioned. I was reminded of a video it's 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:06.320 seen a few years ago which does involve an octopus, 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:10.080 but as the throwe rather than the thrower. The animal 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:13.560 doing the throwing is a seal. Why this video sticks 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:16.440 with me is that the seal throws the octopus onto 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:20.639 a human who was kayaking nearby, right onto his face. 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:24.200 As far as I can remember, seals throw octopuses onto 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:27.160 rocks to kill them before they eat them. The seal 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:29.800 may have either mistaken the human and the kayak for 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:33.440 some rocks, or just wanted to see if doing this 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:36.799 would yield similar results. Seal of approval. I don't know 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:39.320 if that's upon seal of approval for use of the 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:43.560 scientific method. Now, Rob, did you did you watch this 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:47.840 video of the the octopus slap on the kayaker? Yeah? Yeah, 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:51.600 it's it's quite impressive footage obviously. Um for me anyway, 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:54.880 it's kind of hard to really decide if what I'm 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:57.800 looking at here is that it is a creature throwing 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:02.359 an octopus or a creature intentionally throwing an octopus at 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:05.040 a human. Um. You know, I think you would need 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:07.280 more data before you could really figure out if they 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:11.119 are throwing in general or throwing at Also, I can't 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:14.120 quite tell from the video if the octopus fully leaves 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:17.240 the seals mouth, if it is throwing the octopus at 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:21.200 the kayaker, or just kind of whacking the kayaker with 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:25.800 the octopus. Yeah, indeed, Um, yeah, I haven't looked particularly 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:29.000 about seals and sea lions and when it comes to 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:32.920 flinging prey, um, flinging prey. Maybe there's there's something to 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:35.960 explore in the future episode, because I know there are 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:39.360 examples of say, Orca doing this in the wild, and 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:41.520 of course in captivity, Orca have been trying to fling 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:44.880 human swimmers with the aid of their tails. Uh, they're 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:48.920 not with their their mouths. Um. But I also seem 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:50.640 to recall having a dog when I was younger that 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:53.920 would do this with Um. These are like moles or 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:56.000 shrews or something that it would hunt up and dig 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:57.640 up in the yard, and then it would sort of 0:03:57.640 --> 0:04:00.720 play with them. And I recall, and this could be 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:03.880 a false recollection, but I recall something like the flinging 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:06.680 of the creature. Well, yeah, we'll get to some more 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:09.720 emails in a bit about dogs flinging things. I again 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:12.720 that that is a behavior I've observed in dogs, not 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:15.560 with live animals, but with with like a you know, 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:18.160 a puzzle box toy. You know, a toy that has 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:22.720 treats inside of this animal is not alive anymore, it's 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:27.039 pretty dead anyway. Going on with Nabile's message, uh, Nibile 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:29.760 rights in similar animal on human with the use of 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:33.200 other animals violence. I'm reminded of this story, which is 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:35.960 more in the realm of animals dropping things rather than 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:40.520 strictly throwing them. According to legend, the Greek playwright Escalus 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:44.000 met a tragic death one day. An eagle that had 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:47.760 caught a tortoise mistook Escalus's bald head for a shiny 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:51.359 rock and accidentally killed the author by dropping the animal 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:54.760 onto him. Apparently, it is normal for eagles to drop 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:57.680 tortoises onto rocks to break open their hard shell and 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:01.160 access the meat inside. Uh. Thanks for the tireless work 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:03.680 that goes into these podcasts. I enjoy the variation of 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:06.719 topics covered and the varying aspects that are given to them. 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:10.080 Regards Nibile, Well, thank you, Nabile. Oh yeah, we we've 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:13.520 talked about this story about Escalist before. To be clear 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:17.159 to everybody else, I don't know how much UH credence 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:20.000 historians generally put into that as like an event that 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:22.720 actually happened as you know it. It probably is more 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:26.080 likely a legend, but then again, who knows. I mean, 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:29.360 it is true that certain predatory birds drop things from height, 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:32.120 and we've talked about examples of that before. H yeah 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:34.760 that the lamber guy are being one that drops bones, 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:38.440 for example. But let's keep this bird train moving with 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:46.920 another message. This one comes to us from Cheryl Cheryl Rides, 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:49.800 Hello from New Zealand. I have just started episode two 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:52.240 of your series on animal throwing, and once again I 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:54.560 am amazed at how a concept that I've never really 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:57.120 stopped to consider can be so in depth and interesting. 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:00.159 This is my first time writing into any podcast, but 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:03.359 I wanted to share my own animal throwing story. My 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:07.200 parents were driving over Arthur's Pass in the South Island 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:09.839 of New Zealand and stopped at a rest area to 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:12.400 take a break, stretch their legs a little and look 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:16.400 at the view. Kia our native mountain parrots frequent this area, 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:19.279 and true to form, one quickly came over and started 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:23.320 determinedly trying to remove the rubber seals from around the 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:28.800 car windows. Yes, I've I've I've seen documentaries about these 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:32.599 amazing birds before, and they're they're highly intelligent. They often 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:37.520 factor into studies of of bird and or maybe individual studies, 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:40.800 but larger considerations of bird intelligence and tool use, and 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:43.320 they can get into a little bit of mischief with 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:47.719 their their curiosity the rubber seals around the car windows. 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:51.200 Do they also unscrew the hinges on your doors? I 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:53.560 think I saw a video of one like messing up 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:55.880 some windshield wiper. I mean, you know, they're curious, The're like, 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:58.360 what is that there for? I should take it out 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:03.520 to examine for brilliant Anyway, the um um cheryl continues here. 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:07.120 My mother waved her arms to shoo it off, but 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:10.800 it quickly came back when she stopped. After several repetitions 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:13.720 of this, the bird appeared to become annoyed, flew down 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:16.080 to the ground and picked up a stone and hurled 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:20.600 it at my mother, laughing emoji. It only hit her 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:22.920 on the ankle, and she was not hurt at all. 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:25.320 It just makes for a funny story about what looks 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:30.640 very much like retaliatory throwing behavior from an animal. That's interesting. 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:33.760 Kia are my absolute favorite native bird and are one 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:36.200 of the most intelligent bird species in the world. They 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:39.360 are said to be similar to some primates and intelligence 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:42.160 about the same as a four year old human child. 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:45.960 While they certainly have a reputation for mischief and destruction 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:49.360 of personal property, they are not generally aggressive towards people, 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:52.440 and I have never heard of any other throwing stories. 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:55.120 This does make me wonder where the bird learned it 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:59.680 from and whether it was a one off Kia. According 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:03.120 to New Zealand Department of Conservation website, have been known 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:06.320 to turn on the tap at a local campground, to 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:09.160 use tools to set off stoked traps in order to 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:12.560 get at the eggs, and to have locked a mountaineer 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:17.960 inside a toilet. One bird apparently learned that if it 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:21.400 took a piece of firewood to a hiking hut every 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:24.000 day and knocked on the door, it would receive a treat. 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:27.360 Could one have learned to throw stones after seeing someone 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:30.160 do it? I don't know, but it doesn't seem outside 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:33.160 the bounds of possibility. However it came about, it wasn't 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:36.240 successful in this instance because my mother still refused to 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:39.640 let it dismantle the car. I hope you found this interesting. 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:41.640 Keep up the good work. Your podcast often helps me 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:44.200 to see things I thought of his quite mundane in 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:46.520 a new and interesting light, and also helps brighten my 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:50.160 work commutes and dog box all the best, Cheryl. Oh, 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:52.640 thank you, Cheryl. That is certainly what we strive to do. 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:54.760 I'm glad to hear it's working for you, and thank 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:57.800 you so much for this is a wonderful email. Yeah, yeah, 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:00.800 I love I love accounts like this, and and certainly 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:04.040 to involve the Kia in a standoff with your mother 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:08.679 over the dismantling of the family automobile. This is that now, 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:12.160 when it locked a mountaineer in a toilet, I assume 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:18.719 that's a that that means in a bathroom. Yeah, though, um, 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:21.280 I'm trying to imagine I guess some I guess it's 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:24.760 not a proper report to John reporta potty because you 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:28.080 would need some means of locking it from the outside. 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:31.560 But obviously there could be various examples of some sort 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:34.800 of public toilet scenario in which you can lock it, 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:36.720 latch it, or a latch can be dropped into place 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:38.520 from the outside, and it must have been a scenario 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:41.440 like that. I can't imagine the keya installed a dead 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:44.600 boulder or anything. I will have to learn more about 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:49.800 the bird toilet imprisoning incident. Yeah, these are fascinating creatures 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:51.920 in general. Um, I like to say I've I've watched 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:55.520 documentaries about them before. It might be fun to look 0:09:55.520 --> 0:10:03.199 at them in the future. All right, This next message 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:07.000 is from Renata who rides high rob and Joe. Well, 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:09.240 at first you said you weren't going to talk about 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:11.760 animals throwing things that were produced by their body, so 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:14.440 I thought poop throwing was off the table. But then 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:18.800 you brought it up with chimpanzees, which is great because 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:21.640 now I have an excuse to tell another embarrassing story 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:25.079 about Ben. Nada, by the way, has written in a 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:28.200 number of times before. I think Ben would be a 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:31.440 reference to her partner, who has come up in previous emails. 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:35.440 Apologies if I'm remembering that wrong. Um, but so I 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:39.439 think that is that this listener's partner anyway. Uh, she continues. 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:42.920 We were in Borneo, going on nature tours every day 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:45.440 on a boat down a river. One day we see 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:48.200 some macaques as we turn into a canal with a 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:51.320 canopy of trees. At first, we were all delighted to 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:55.160 see monkeys up close. Then sure enough the guide said 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:58.559 maybe we should move away as the monkeys seemed agitated. 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:02.080 Moments later, Ben said, um, I got hit with monkey 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:05.800 poo right in his lap. It was definitely thrown as 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:08.640 we had moved enough away that we weren't directly under 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:12.000 the monkeys, and also I think it was aimed purposefully. 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:14.840 Ben was in fact the largest mail on the boat. 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:19.240 Thankfully one of the other tourists had moist wipes. This 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:22.079 is horrifying, so I guess they're going to target the 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:25.720 tallest person that that kind of makes sense. We're not 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:28.880 A continues with a second example here. Another animal that 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:31.440 I saw doing a throwing like behavior similar to what 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:35.840 you described with the mongoose are platypuses. I wasn't able 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:37.680 to find a video, but Ben and I saw it 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:42.319 happened to some poor crayfish in a tank in Melbourne. Uh. 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:46.439 The platypus seemed to be flinging the crayfish into rocks 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:49.640 with incredible speed and force, and then circled back to 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:52.160 eat it. I'm not sure what part of their body 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:54.920 the platypus is used to smash the crayfish. It all 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:58.960 happened so fast. Platypuses would make a great episode or episodes. 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:02.640 Unto themselves, love the throwing episodes. Keep up the great work, 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:07.360 best Renata. Oh wow, that is interesting. Um. Yeah. For 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:10.520 some reason, one, or at least I tend not to 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:13.840 think about platypus is being the sort of species that 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:17.840 do interesting things. Because they are so intrinsically interesting themselves, 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:22.200 you know, um, Whereas it makes sense that that a 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:27.760 less a specialized, more generalized body plan would engage in uh, 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:31.320 you know, in in novel acts. This makes sense though, 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:35.440 because this would be another example of a UM. I 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:37.319 was gonna say a mammal, but as a platypus and 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:40.360 mammal I guess, not as a platypus or supial or 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:45.000 I don't know, it's one of those Australian animals we 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:47.199 just checked. I guess a platypus is a is an 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:50.680 egg laying Mammal's so sort of a I don't know, 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:54.760 spanning categories UM, an egg laying mammal like a platypus. 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:56.559 In in the other case it was a mongoose, but 0:12:56.679 --> 0:13:01.839 some mammal like creature uh, throwing a a prey species 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:04.960 to get at the meat inside. In both cases here 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:07.480 it would be an animal with an exo skeleton. So 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:10.160 in the other case it was the mongoose throwing the millipede, 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:12.880 which rolled up into a hard ball that the other 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:16.760 animals couldn't get inside. And the crayfish, of course, is 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:21.000 is armored. It's covered with the tough exoskeleton all over. Yeah, so, 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:24.640 in both of these cases, very interesting examples observed in 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:34.840 the wild. All right, here's another one. This one comes 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:39.720 to us from J J. Not R J. J Uh. 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:42.560 This J J says, good morning, Joe and Rob. I 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:45.480 enjoyed your four part series on animals and people throwing, 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:48.640 and I have my own anecdote to share. My family 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:51.400 had a Chiesu growing up. While she wasn't a particularly 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:55.080 bride dog, she would display one specific type of throwing behavior. 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:57.480 When the mood struck her. She would take her tennis 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:00.560 ball and hike it between her legs, then run and 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:03.480 retrieve it. Sometimes the ball would travel several feet behind her, 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:05.280 but most of the time it would get slowed down 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:08.840 by her long hair and wind up only inches behind her. 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:11.840 Very comical to watch, as she never seemed to know 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:15.440 exactly where the ball was after the hike. Nevertheless, she 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:20.960 seemed to enjoy it immensely. R. I. P. Pepper. Oh, now, 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:22.600 this is just one of the messages we received that 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:26.320 reminded us that in American football, the reverse granny shot 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:29.640 is indeed called a hike, which I realized we should 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:32.400 have known because they actually say it when they do it. 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:36.200 They don't yell out reverse granny shot, they say hike. 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:40.480 Shout out to listener Carlos, who also alerted us to this, 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:43.400 who said, uh, yeah, I think he said in his message, 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:47.000 you have both mentioned not being sports fans. True guilty. 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:49.320 Uh And Carlos was like, I'm not really an American 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:52.000 football player or watcher either, but I do know that 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:54.200 when you throw a ball backwards between your legs, it 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:57.200 is called a hike. So thanks Carlos and uh and 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:01.640 for this message by by j J. Yeah, like it's 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:04.920 it's in enough things that just refer to football and 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:13.480 football culture that I should have remembered that. Okay. On 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:16.840 a similar subject about dogs throwing, this is from Cody. 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:19.560 Cody says, I know this isn't throwing, but the recent 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:22.800 series of podcasts reminded me about my dog. One day, 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:26.000 while working from home, I heard thudding in checking my 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:29.360 dog had dropped his treat puzzle down the stairs. Not 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:31.680 thinking much about it, I heard it again a few 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:34.560 days later. After this, it made me curious. I put 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:37.240 some more treats in the treat puzzle. He proceeded to 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:40.000 take the treat puzzle up the stairs and drop it 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:42.600 as it fell down the stairs, the treats would fall out, 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:45.880 so he could then enjoy treats at his leisure. Thanks 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:49.680 for your work. I enjoyed the podcast, Cody, very interesting. 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:53.120 This is smart learned behavior by these dogs here. I 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:55.400 mean when there's a treat involved. I guess that's where 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:58.400 the operant conditioning comes in, right, if there's an immediate 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:00.800 food reward. Again that you know, dogs can learn all 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:05.000 kinds of things. All right, here's one that comes to 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:12.320 us from Albert. Albert says, Hi, Robert and Joe in 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:15.320 part two, I think you asked for any throwing mythology. 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:18.080 I was surprised you did not remember the throw anything 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:20.640 at balder party, where believing nothing can hurt him, all 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:23.360 the Norse gods amused themselves by shooting and throwing all 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:27.280 manner of things at balder. Of course, Loki finds out 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:31.240 that the lowly missiletoe did not swear to not hurt Balder, 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:35.720 and thus blind Huther is tricked into hurling a missiletoe 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:40.560 at Balder, killing him. That is a really mean trick, Loki. Yeah, no, 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:43.760 you know it's this thing. In part three, you mentioned 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:46.880 the suggestion that mothers cradled their babies with their left arm, 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:49.320 which is closer to the heart. But this is a 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:53.120 chicken and egg question. Did mothers cradle their babies therefore 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:56.160 the right arm became dominant to do all manners of work, 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:59.160 concluding throwing to defend themselves. Or did mothers cradle their 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:02.000 babies because they were right handed and wanted their dominant 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:04.679 arm free for labor and defense. Thanks and keep up 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:08.119 the great work, Albert. Well, Albert, thanks for the email. 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:11.439 First to your second point about that hypothesis from I 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:15.080 think the researcher was William Calvin, who suggested that maybe 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:20.080 right hand lateralization for throwing evolved because mothers would be 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:22.280 holding an infant in the left arm while trying to 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:25.880 throw with the right. Again, any hypothesis like that that's 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:28.600 like very specific about how things like that evolved. It's 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:32.040 really hard to prove something that specific is actually what happened, 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:34.120 So it's this is just sort of like a guess 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:37.080 sort of to play with in your mind. But I 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:41.240 think at least Calvin's argument for why the cradling in 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:43.600 the left arm went first and the throwing in the 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:46.760 right hand developed after that is because of the initial 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:51.439 starting fact that there is an asymmetrical placement of the 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:54.400 heart in the chest. So, according to that story, would 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:56.480 be that the babies were on the left side because 0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:58.800 they wanted to be closer to the soothing sound of 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:02.760 the heartbeat, and then the right hand lateralization for throwing 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:04.960 could develop from there rather than it being the other 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:08.960 way around. Yeah, that's fascinating. Um. Now on the on 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:11.680 the mythology, uh point, I know we didn't. I don't 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:15.800 think we really did an exhaustive search for myth about throwing, 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:19.480 but but certainly anymore out there, keep them, keep them coming. Um. 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:23.239 I did a little looking around after this email came in, 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:25.440 and uh, I did run across something that I wasn't 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:29.640 familiar with. And that's um this bit from ancient Greek 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:33.280 tradition where chunking an apple at someone could be considered 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:38.440 a seduction ploy, though not a marriage proposal, as some 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:43.280 memes and uh sort of online factoids would seem to insist. Uh. 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:46.520 There's an excellent blog post about this on Tales of 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:49.520 Times Forgotten by Spencer McDaniel. I believe it was the 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:54.080 twenty nineteen blog post about chunking apples that your beloved. Uh, 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:56.760 So go check that out if you're at all interested 0:18:56.760 --> 0:19:00.960 in this, but also don't throw apples at people that 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:05.320 you're romantically interested in. Leave that to the past. Maybe 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:08.399 throw apple sauce. You know that's not gonna hurt anything. No, 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:11.480 I don't think that's bad. I mean, maybe that's less dangerous, 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:14.960 but don't the apple sauce. But it does. It kind 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:17.840 of comes back to that that sort of cliche moment 0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:20.800 often from cinema that we did reference about throwing of 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:23.920 the pebbles at the windows. So I don't know, Uh, 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:27.479 we didn't look into this, but I wonder how like 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:31.199 throwing things factors into the history of human courtship. There 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:34.080 are other interesting traditions out there than involved like trying 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:36.680 to peg somebody with a with a rock or a 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:45.080 pebble or a fruit. Okay, finally here we're gonna do 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:48.200 a message about Weird House Cinema. This is from Lawrence, 0:19:48.280 --> 0:19:52.800 subject line Scanners slash danger Man. Hey, guys, I was 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:56.200 listening to your Weird House Cinema episode on scanners, and 0:19:56.240 --> 0:19:58.240 I was struck to hear one of you briefly trying 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:01.320 to explain danger man to the other. I don't know 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:03.920 if this is any help, but here goes. Danger Man 0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:06.159 was a British TV series that was shown in the 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:10.760 US under the alternate title Secret Agent. It's theme song, 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:14.080 Secret Agent Man was a top forties hit in the 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:16.480 US in the sixties and seventies. Oh yeah, I know 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:20.960 that one. Uh. It starred Patrick McGowan as the titular 0:20:21.040 --> 0:20:24.959 Secret Agent or I suppose the titular Danger Man, John Drake. 0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:29.400 Danger Man inspired the iconic seventeen episode series The Prisoner, 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:33.000 which is was a sort of sequel to it. This 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:36.040 gets me thinking, it's not cinema strictly speaking, but maybe 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:38.800 you could bend the rule of it. The Prisoner would 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:42.040 make for a great episode of weird House Cinema. Thanks 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:46.399 for the episode, Lawrence. Yeah this, um um, this, this 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:50.240 was actually something I wasn't really all that um clued 0:20:50.280 --> 0:20:53.600 into previously. Like I knew the song Secret Agent Man, 0:20:53.920 --> 0:20:58.160 and I knew the TV series that we know as 0:20:58.240 --> 0:21:02.080 Secret Agent Man in the US, but I really wasn't 0:21:02.119 --> 0:21:04.240 aware of the whole connection to Danger Man and that 0:21:04.359 --> 0:21:07.360 Danger Man was Secret Agent Man except in the original 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:11.479 UK broadcast and then as as I was looking it up. 0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:14.159 This this a little more complicated too, because there was 0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:18.399 also a year two thousand TV series on up n 0:21:18.920 --> 0:21:22.040 uh titled Secret Agent Man that used a trip hop 0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:25.520 cover of the Johnny Rivers hit Secret Agent Man, the 0:21:25.800 --> 0:21:28.080 song that we're talking about as its theme song. But 0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:30.480 that show had nothing to do with Danger Man or 0:21:30.480 --> 0:21:34.200 the Prisoner just used the same theme song. I gotta 0:21:34.240 --> 0:21:37.320 look that up. Um oh I did. I'm not sure 0:21:37.359 --> 0:21:41.440 that there's much worth seeking out in this up n 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:44.679 show from from two thousand. Oh no, I mean the 0:21:44.720 --> 0:21:47.000 cover of Secret Agent Oh yeah, No, I mean the 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:49.320 cover might be pretty good trip hop cover of Secret 0:21:49.359 --> 0:21:51.560 Agent Man. Anyway, the lead actor in it was in 0:21:51.600 --> 0:21:54.840 a bunch of Saw movies, so if you're a big 0:21:54.880 --> 0:21:57.040 Saw fan, then you know it might be of interest. 0:21:57.680 --> 0:21:59.760 Was the Prisoner of the TV show that had a 0:22:00.280 --> 0:22:03.000 had like a killer ball, like a bouncy ball that 0:22:03.040 --> 0:22:06.080 would attack that big bouncy ball that. I have to 0:22:06.119 --> 0:22:08.440 admit The Prisoner as a show that I never did 0:22:08.480 --> 0:22:11.080 a dedicated viewing of. It would come on I think 0:22:11.119 --> 0:22:14.879 on any like you know, in the afternoons sometimes and 0:22:14.920 --> 0:22:17.080 I would I would watch an episode or part of 0:22:17.080 --> 0:22:20.320 an episode, But I don't think it's a series that 0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:23.680 really lends itself to that sort of viewing. I think 0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:25.280 you really have to get in there and watch it, 0:22:25.320 --> 0:22:27.760 and I never did. Yeah, if if we ever break 0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:29.840