1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to steph you missed in History Class from how 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: works dot Com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm 3 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: Holly Fry and I'm Tray C. V. Wilson. So I'm 4 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: doing another one of those things where I want to 5 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: talk about Queen Victoria, but not really so much about 6 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: Queen Victoria, but a thing that happened to her and 7 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: a character that is often kind of left out of 8 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: biographies of her. He shows up in some and not 9 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: in others, and he's kind of fascinating. So for context, 10 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: Britain's King William the Fourth died at to twelve am 11 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: on June of eighty seven, and that meant that his niece, 12 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: who was Victoria and who had turned eighteen just one 13 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: month earlier, was now the new monarch. Because Victoria was 14 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: so young and had lived for the most part so 15 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: sheltered away from the world by her mother, the Duchess 16 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: of Kent, and her mother's comptroller, Sir John Conroy. I 17 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: will talk about both of them at length if you 18 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: get me started. At a party, all of Great Britain, though, 19 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: was fascinated by this young, unmarried queen, and for some 20 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 1: people that fascination was really intense so simply by virtue 21 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,119 Speaker 1: of being so young and considered kind of fresh at 22 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 1: this time when there was a lot of politics going on, 23 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 1: uh in Great Britain that were you know, seated in 24 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: in lots of years of bureaucracy and corruption in some cases. 25 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: But this new queen, because she was new, she was 26 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 1: romanticized and she really became the celebrity object of affection 27 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: for many young men. Uh. And today we're going to 28 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: talk about one young man in particular who seemed really 29 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: obsessed with the Queen, and he is sometimes described as 30 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: being obsessed with her, perhaps romantically, although that's not always 31 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: clear in my opinion, but that obsession played out in 32 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: the form of repeated break ins at the royal residence 33 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: at Buckingham Palace. I will say, knowing several people in 34 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: my life who have been stoked, that if you have 35 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: been stoked, this episode might alarm And yes, for sure, 36 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: I mean he's often like one of the main biography 37 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: that I read about him specifically is called Queen Victoria's stalker. 38 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: Like he's often referred to as the first celebrity stalker. Definitely, 39 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: if if you are creeped out by things like that, 40 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: or if it is something that is a sensitive subject 41 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: for you, this one may not be the episode for you. 42 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: So because of some rather ridiculous organizational arrangements regarding the 43 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 1: keeping of the house and the grounds of Buckingham, different 44 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: government offices were often in charge of duties that overlapped 45 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: in ways that just made things incredibly inefficient at the palace. 46 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: For example, the laying of a fire fell under the 47 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: duties of the office of the Lord Steward. The lighting 48 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: of the fire was the responsibility of the Lord Chamberlain. Yeah, 49 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: and those are like offices that fall under them, so 50 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: it's not it's servants under them. Stuff that's communicated downward. 51 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: It was very ridiculous. Almost any biography that you look 52 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: at a Victoria or that talks about Buckingham Palace uh 53 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: during her reign will go into detail on how weird 54 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: it is like that to get anything done was just 55 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: like an an act of God, almost like you couldn't. 56 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 1: The windows were washed inside by one group outside by another, 57 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: so they were never completely clean at the same time, 58 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: like just tons of crazy stuff like that. And security 59 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: suffered in this system. There was actually no one person 60 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: or office in charge of security. There were guardsmen who 61 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: were armed, but they reported through their own structure, like 62 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: a military style structure, and not to the various offices 63 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: of the palace. And the pages and the porters reported 64 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: two completely different departments. And so none of these groups 65 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: who would have theoretically been seeing things that were going 66 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: on in the palace and kind of keeping watch over things, 67 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: communicated with each other at all. While the young man 68 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: we're focusing on today was a persistent problem, he was 69 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: not the first to exploit this problem of an incredibly 70 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: lax palace security. A little more than a year after 71 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: Victoria became queen, a silversmith named Thomas Flower was found 72 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: asleep in a chair near the monarchs monarch's bedroom. He 73 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: claimed that he wanted to marry the queen, but he 74 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: was considered pretty much a harmless one time offender, like 75 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: this one odd outlier where he yeah, and he did 76 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: seem pretty harmless, I mean, as someone who would break 77 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: into your house, goes all right. He was definitely like 78 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 1: full of flowery language about how she thought she was 79 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 1: pretty and he didn't want to upset anybody, and you know, 80 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: but the realization that Victoria had attracted another obsessed fan, 81 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: and that the person in question had access to Buckingham 82 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: Palace came a year and a half into her reign, 83 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 1: and that happened on December fourty eight, and at around 84 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 1: five am, palace night porter William Cox was startled when 85 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: a boy covered in soot opened the door to the 86 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: room he was sitting in, stared at him for a 87 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 1: moment and then shut the door. And Cox opened the 88 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 1: door to follow the boy and attempted to inquire as 89 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: to whether he was there to service the chimneys, but 90 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: he couldn't find anyone. He did, however, find a bag 91 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: of stuff on the floor. In the bag where some clothes, coins, 92 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: a book, and a dress sword and the weapon belongs 93 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: to an officer of the Royal Household, the Honorable Charles 94 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: Augustus Murray. So Cox went to the man's room to investigate. 95 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: There was no answer when Cox knocked on Murray's door, 96 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: so the porter, who had access to all the palace 97 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: rooms via a master key, unlocked the door and let 98 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 1: himself in, and it was immediately apparent that the intruder 99 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: had been in Murray's room. Murray himself was away at 100 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: the time, but soot was every even in the bed 101 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: linens and that's It was then tracked throughout the residence 102 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: and it appeared that the boy had even been in 103 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: the Queen's private apartments, going by where all of these 104 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 1: soot smudges were, and like Murray, thankfully the queen was gone. 105 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: She had actually stayed at Windsor Castle the night before this. 106 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: So they started a hunt in Earnest for this mystery trespasser, 107 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: which at this point included police as well as palace staff, 108 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: and he was captured, wriggled away and then escaped through 109 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: a window before he was finally nabbed by a constable 110 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: out on a lawn. He turned out to be a 111 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: young man of an unknown age, although estimates varied from 112 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: a young teenager to possibly even a man in his 113 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,679 Speaker 1: early twenties, and on this boy's person were a number 114 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: of stolen items, including ladies undergarments believed to be the queens. 115 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: They were tucked in between two layers of trousers that 116 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: he wore, one on top of the other. Uh and 117 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: when questioned, he claimed to be Edward Cotton of Hertford, 118 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: and he offered no answers to questions regarding how he 119 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 1: had access to the palace or how long he had 120 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: been there. It had been presumed that he must be 121 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: a chimney suite because he was so coated with foot. 122 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: The next morning, after police staff scrubbed some of the 123 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: soot and dirt off of this boy, he claimed to 124 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: be Edward Cotton. He appeared before a magistrate. He stuck 125 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: to this story that he was the son of Henry 126 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: Cotton of Hertford, and that he had arrived in London 127 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: twelve months earlier, had met a man who helped him 128 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: into the palace, and that he had been hiding in 129 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: chimneys or behind furniture by day and then moving about 130 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: the palace at night for all that time. Reminds me 131 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: of like the creepy Reddit threads about people discovering that 132 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: somebody is living in a tiny alcove in their attic right, 133 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: or like our HINTERKFK episode we talked about the person 134 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: living in the attic but his story did not hold up. 135 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: We'll get to that in a moment. He claimed that 136 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: stolen kitchen scraps had been enough to keep him fed, 137 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: and that he had actually sat in on virtually every 138 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: meeting that the Queen had had with her ministers during 139 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: that time. Like hiding behind furniture and listening to everything 140 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: they said. He was not, as had been believed, a sweep. 141 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: According to his story, he said he was sooty from 142 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: sleeping in the chimneys during the day. Most people did 143 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: not buy this story though. Uh. Kitchen supplies were not 144 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: locked up tightly at night, and sleeping in a chimney 145 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: by day was just a very dangerous prospect in a 146 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: London winter, even with the hoops that had to be 147 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: jumped through to get a fire lit in the palace, 148 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: lying on multiple different departments to come and do that work. Yeah, 149 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: they were still lighting fires. Chimney's not not safe. He 150 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: would have been potentially burned to a crisp or die 151 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 1: of smoke inhalation from a fire in a separate fireplace 152 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: that vented through the same chimney. And so because of 153 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: suspicions that still lingered that he was a sweep despite 154 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: his claims otherwise, the main chimney sweep that was employed 155 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: by the palace was consult it. Uh. He did not 156 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: work for this main chimney sweep, but they asked, could 157 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: this young man you know have worked with him at 158 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: one point long enough to get the layout of the 159 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: residents uh known, and then returned through a chimney on 160 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: his own later and the palace sweep was like, no, 161 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: he doesn't work for me, and these chimneys are designed 162 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: to prevent anybody getting in that way. While the police 163 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 1: investigated further, this young man was moved to Todd hill 164 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 1: Field's Bridewell prison. A survey was made of the various 165 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: tradesmen who had access to the palace, and many were 166 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: brought to the prison to see if they knew this 167 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: young man in custody. No one said they did until 168 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: an older gentleman named Henry Jones showed up and claimed 169 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: the boy was his fourteen year old son who had 170 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: been missing since the two had a fight a week before. 171 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: A third party who employed Edward Jones, not Edward Cotton 172 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:56,319 Speaker 1: as an apprentice, was summoned and corroborated this young man's identity. 173 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: So then he went before the magistrate again. He at 174 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: least that point seemed to have the correct name. Yeah, 175 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: Cotton was an alias. He just pulled out of the air, 176 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: presumably to not get himself for his family and trouble. 177 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: But uh, we're going to talk about how the legal 178 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 1: proceedings of this case and the break in played out. 179 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: But first we're gonna pause for a sponsor break. Going 180 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: back to our story, When Edward Jones once again found 181 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: himself in court, it was to face the formal charges 182 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: for the theft of Murray's sword and other property. This 183 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: time around, his story was a little different about how 184 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: he had gotten into the palace. He claimed to have 185 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: followed another man in through a worker's entrance on December eleven, 186 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: just three days before he was discovered, so he had 187 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: abandoned that whole I was there for almost a year story. 188 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: Jones's barrister, William Prendergast, took a really breezy approach to 189 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: defending his client. He characterized Edward as a kid who 190 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: just wanted to see the inside of Buckingham Palace and 191 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: who then grabbed a few items as mementos of his visit, 192 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: even got a little lost in the fantasy of being 193 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: a royal himself. And with all of this set up, 194 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: Prendergast went on to frame the prosecution as being far 195 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: too serious and pursuing furious legal action against the boy 196 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: who merely had a lark of sneaking into the palace, 197 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: and that defense, along with the calling of several character 198 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: witnesses who assured jurors that Edward Jones was a good 199 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: lad landed the outcome that Prendergast had hoped for. The 200 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: jury found Edward Jones not guilty. The press had quite 201 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: a good time of covering this trial and verdict. While 202 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: Edward was written about by some journalists with a lot 203 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: of humor, other publications found the lack of repercussions for 204 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: his actions just completely unacceptable. Yeah, it was very divided. 205 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,040 Speaker 1: There literally were people that kind of took the the 206 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: position that his barrister had of like, oh, come on, 207 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: this is a kid and he did something stupid and 208 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: you know, don't let it ruin his life. And other 209 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: people were like, he broke into the palace, So you know, 210 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: it's if the same thing happened today, we would probably 211 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,959 Speaker 1: see a similar division play out. And there were also 212 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: satire magazines that did their whole own other take on it. 213 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: But Edward immediately returned to the apprenticeship that he had 214 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: before his little sojourn into Buckingham, Though his new found 215 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: fame came with all kinds of opportunities. He was allegedly 216 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: offered passage the US to make his fortune in America. 217 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: Uh and he was offered a theatrical appearance in a 218 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,719 Speaker 1: stage play about his story, but edwards father, Henry, who 219 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: was a tailor, turned down these offers on his son's behalf, 220 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:48,719 Speaker 1: hoping that his son would just stay the course in 221 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: his work, you know, go on to be a productive 222 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: adult and leave this affair at the palace completely behind him. 223 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: But by late eighteen thirty nine, Edward had been fired 224 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 1: from his job as a builder's apprentice because he was 225 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: simply not good as an employee. He soon was offered 226 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: another job running errands for an apothecary, but that didn't 227 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,479 Speaker 1: last either, and after that, the young Jones was unemployed 228 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: for the most part, although he did occasionally help his 229 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 1: father out in his shop. Yeah, his work was pretty sporadic. 230 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: He did it, sounds like he did a few other 231 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: odd jobs, but he didn't really have any one job 232 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 1: for any length of time. And in the meantime, Queen 233 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: Victoria had married her cousin, Prince Albert, on February tenth, 234 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: eighteen forty, and in November they had their first child, 235 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: Princess Victoria, and the following month, just two weeks after 236 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: the Princess Royal's birth, Edward Jones once again entered the 237 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: Picture and the Palace as the Queen's midwife, Mrs Lily, 238 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: who slept in the nursery, was falling asleep at one 239 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: thirty a m. On December three, eighteen forty she heard 240 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: a door creaking. She got out of bed and searched 241 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: in the darkness to try to find the source of 242 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: the noise, and when she saw that the door to 243 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 1: Queen Victoria's dressing room was solely being open, she called out, 244 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 1: who's there, and the door immediately slam shut. I don't 245 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 1: know about you, but I would freak out and lose 246 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: my mind in that situation. I am freaking out now, 247 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: But Mrs Lily was a quick thinker and that particular 248 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: door door bolted from the side she was on, so 249 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: she bolted it and she trapped whoever had done this 250 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: slamming inside, and after calling for help, she was then 251 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: joined by one of the Queen's pages and the Queen's 252 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: former governess, Baroness Letson, and the three of them then 253 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: opened the door and they searched the dressing room. Together 254 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: they found Edward Jones curled up under a sofa. Jones 255 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: was taken into custody and identified as the same intruder 256 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: from two years earlier. As with the first time that 257 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: he was apprehended, he was quite silent when questioned as 258 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: to how he got in, how long he had been there. 259 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: Lily Letson and the page had all been really calm 260 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: about this whole affair. So the Queen, who was in 261 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: the next room was not even awakened and didn't hear 262 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: about it until the next day. Yes, and when she 263 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: did hear about it, Victoria wrote about it in her 264 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: journal quote, Albert told me that he had just heard 265 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: when he got up that a man had been found 266 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: under the sofa in my sitting room. And then she 267 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: goes on to describe basically what we've just said here 268 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: about how Mrs Lily and Lateon in this page apprehended him. 269 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: Uh says later in the same entry, she writes, quote, 270 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: after he had been taken downstairs, he said he meant 271 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: no harm and had only come to see the Queen. 272 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: We have since heard that he was in the palace 273 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: once before and was half witted and had merely come 274 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: out of curiosity. But supposing he had come into the bedroom, 275 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: how frightened I should have been. As you will recall, 276 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: the Queen had actually been away that first time that 277 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: Jones had visited her apartment in the Palace, and it 278 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: appears that despite the news coverage of that subsequent trial, 279 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: she had been spared the knowledge that a stranger had 280 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: been in her personal space. And there's a lot of 281 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: theorizing about why that's the case, like that it would 282 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: look it would make the palace um staff look really bad, 283 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: So nobody really wanted to like be terribly public that 284 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: it had happened. But in any case, it was decided 285 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: that Edward Jones was going to be tried, this time 286 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: in a very old fashioned way by the Queen's Privy Council. 287 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: And this was a system that hadn't been employed since 288 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: the Tutor period. It had historically been used to try 289 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: people for treason that were so elevated that they could 290 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: have easily bought the outcome of a trial in regular courts. 291 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: But because Edward jones first trial had been something of 292 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: a circus thanks to this jovial and dismissive tone that 293 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: his defense took and that people bought into, he too 294 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: would be unlikely to get a serious trial in normal court. Additionally, 295 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: a court trial would invite all sorts of questions about 296 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: the monarchy and the palace, and this incredibly lacks security, 297 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: none of which they were eager to invite. 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So again, that is squarespace 337 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: dot com slash history and once again set your website apart. 338 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: With the Privy Council assembled and the hearing underway, Edward 339 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: told the assembly that when he was found in the 340 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 1: Queen's dressing room, that was actually the second time, at 341 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: rapid succession that he had entered the palace unobstructed. According 342 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,199 Speaker 1: to Jones's testimony, he had scaled a wall of the 343 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: gardens and entered the palace through a window on Monday evening. 344 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: He hoped to steal a snack, but there were too 345 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: many people around, so he left. He returned Tuesday night, 346 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: wandered around for a bit and slept under the bed 347 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:51,360 Speaker 1: of one of the servants during the day Wednesday, so creepy. 348 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 1: I creeped myself out reading that sentence. Yeah, really creepy. 349 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 1: Wednesday night, once everyone had settled into the evening, he 350 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: once again explored the palace, this time eventually making his 351 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,199 Speaker 1: way to the throne room and having a seat in 352 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 1: the Monarch's chair. He then wandered around the Queen's rooms, 353 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: eventually settling under the sofa where he had been found. 354 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,199 Speaker 1: So it's unclear if the door opening and closing that 355 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: alerted Mrs Lily had been a thwarted effort on his 356 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: part to wander a bit more, but if so, after 357 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 1: he had realized he had been seen, he apparently went 358 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: right back to his under the sofa hiding place. After 359 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 1: investigating the wall that Edward claimed to have scaled and 360 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,679 Speaker 1: calling in the young man's father, Henry Jones, to scold 361 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: him for letting his son behaves poorly, and debating over 362 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 1: edwards uh mental soundness, the Privy Council opted to issue 363 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: a punishment of three months hard labor. Additionally, this whole 364 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: incident catalyzed a big examination of the palace security as well. 365 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: It should have probably the first time, or yeah, before 366 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 1: that when the other guy got in. Ever, yeah, a 367 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: press release was made giving only scant information about the 368 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: activities of Jones and how his hearing had played out. 369 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,479 Speaker 1: But because this story was so tantalizing, the press hunted 370 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: downboard details and it eventually became known that Edward Jones 371 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 1: was in the todd Hill Street House of Corrections, and 372 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: he was happy to talk about all of his adventures 373 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: in the kitchen and the throne room and other areas 374 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: of the palace. So it wasn't long before all of 375 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 1: the particulars of this event were public knowledge. Jones told 376 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,719 Speaker 1: the press that he had gained access to the palace 377 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: through a chimney rather than the more mundane window entry, which, 378 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 1: by the way, investigation had verified because they had found 379 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: marks on the window sill that he claimed he had 380 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: come in through. He also said that he was going 381 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: to write a book about this whole thing. See that's 382 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: where we get into rewarding bad behavior. Oh yeah, that's 383 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: gonna happen a lot. Edward Jones was released from his 384 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: incarceration on March second, eighteen forty one, into the custody 385 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 1: of his fob or. He continued to enjoy a certain 386 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 1: level of celebrity because papers were happy to print any 387 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: details that they could about him. Look he lose with 388 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: loiter outside the family home, hoping to get a glimpse 389 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 1: of the person who was so very good at waltzing 390 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: right into Buckingham Palace. And as we mentioned earlier, the 391 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 1: repeat appearance of Edward Jones in the palace had led 392 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: to a close look at the security problems there. Since 393 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: that second break in by Jones, the royal home had 394 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: been guarded regularly by more than two dozen police at 395 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: all times, so it came as something of a surprise 396 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: when Edward Jones was found once again inside Buckingham Palace 397 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: in the wee hours of March sixteenth, eighteen forty one, 398 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: just two weeks after he had finished his hard labor sentence. 399 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: This time, a police sergeant Glover was was patrolling when 400 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 1: he heard a noise, and then when he followed it 401 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: to the picture gallery, he found a pair of dirty 402 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: shoes on the floor. Jones was in a nearby alcove 403 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: eating cold meat and potato itatos from the kitchen this 404 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: third time around. When Edward was asked how he got in, 405 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: he simply said that he had done it the same 406 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: way as before, not giving details as to what that 407 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: way was, but just saying the same way I always do. 408 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: When questioned the following morning by the police, he told 409 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: them that he was gathering information for his book and 410 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: that he had hoped to eavesdrop on and record a 411 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 1: conversation between the Queen and Prince Consort. For that book. 412 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: Jones told the inspectors that he had seen a library 413 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: and read some of the books, which he proved by 414 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: naming several of the books on the shelves, and that 415 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: he had handled a coronet and some jewels. He was 416 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: next taken before the prison, but the Privy Council for 417 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: further questioning, and this time after their last uh dealings 418 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: with Edward Jones resulted in a huge press drama and 419 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: him getting famous for it. The Privy Council moved really 420 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 1: swiftly and they kept a very height lit on information. 421 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 1: Jones was once again sentenced to three months hard labor, 422 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 1: and the press went hungry when it came to details, 423 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: but just the same, innumerable articles were printed about the 424 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: boy Jones as he was called at this point, and 425 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,679 Speaker 1: all of these were based pretty much on speculation and 426 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: in some case entirely fabricated information that was posing as facts. Some, 427 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: as before, seemed to be on Jones's side. They sort 428 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: of thought it was kind of hilarious and great that 429 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: this commoner could just stroll into the palace. Others were, 430 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: of course, staunchly against his behavior, recognizing that it was 431 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 1: horrible and creepy, and yet others just wanted to capitalize 432 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: on the story by printing various satirical pieces about it, 433 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: often at the expense of the royal family, and somewhat famously, 434 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 1: banker and virus Thomas Rakes wrote in his journal at 435 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 1: the time, quote, A little scamp of an apothecary's errand 436 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: boy named Jones have the unaccountable mania of sneaking privately 437 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: into bucking and Palace, where he has found secreted at 438 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 1: night under a so fote or some other hiding place. 439 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 1: No one can divine his object, but twice he has 440 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: been detected and conveyed to the police and put into 441 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: confinement for a time. The other day he was detected 442 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: in a third attempt, with apparently as little object. Lady 443 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: Sandwich wrote that he must undoubtedly be a descendant of 444 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: Inigo Jones, the architect, and this was of course a 445 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 1: play on the name of the sixteenth century Welsh architect 446 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: Inigo Jones, who constructed the Queen's House at Greenwich and 447 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 1: come and Garden, among other famous structures. So although it 448 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: seemed like Edward Jones was really only good at one thing, 449 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: which was getting into Buckingham Palace, he was really good 450 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: at it, so much so that at that point it 451 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 1: had made him a massive celebrity, far beyond the levels 452 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: of fame. His first two intrusions had garnered. And what 453 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: became of Edward Jones after this is a whole other story, 454 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: and so we're gonna wait and share that in our 455 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: next episode. Sorry to be all lift hanging again, but 456 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,439 Speaker 1: his life story plays out in some really weird and 457 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: fascinating ways. I don't like this little creeper. Lots of 458 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 1: people didn't, and some very bad things do happen to 459 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: him along the way. But uh, yeah, it's very weird, 460 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: like the idea that this person just repeatedly was showing 461 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: up in the palace and like very close to where 462 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 1: the royal family was, particularly when you considered like that 463 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: there were points where he was there when a tiny 464 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: infant was there. There was lots of like speculation going 465 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: around the palace of like what if he had snatched 466 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,439 Speaker 1: the princess, Like what if he had just taken this 467 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,360 Speaker 1: two week old infant? Yeah, yeah, it was just strolling around. 468 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: It reminds me a bit of our live shows about 469 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: presidential assassinations, uh, and sort of the progression of their 470 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: being literally any security around the president. Yeah, because like 471 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: some of the earlier attempts were like and then a 472 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 1: guy just walked up and he just was there, and 473 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: then it became okay, now we actually have the secret Service. Yeah, yeah, 474 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: super duper strange. Uh, and creepy, because nobody wants somebody 475 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: random just hanging out in their house and going through 476 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: their stuff and stealing their undergarments and eating their food. No, 477 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: that's creepy and gross, super creepy. Do you also have 478 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,199 Speaker 1: listener mail? And is it not creepy? It is not 479 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: only not creepy, it is awesome. I love it. This 480 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: is one of those things. We get lots of listener mail. 481 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: It's all pretty great, but every once in a while 482 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 1: you open one and you're just like, this is great, great, great, 483 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: And that's this one. Uh. It is from our listener, Crystal, 484 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 1: And she included a card. It's a little gift. I 485 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: will tell you about a moment. But in her card, 486 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 1: she said, Dear Holly, I'm a longtime listener all the 487 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: way back to two thousand nine and find the podcast 488 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: most delightful with its current hosts. Thank you so much. 489 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 1: It's so sweet. I'm redecorating my house and I'm getting 490 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: rid of books I don't need or want anymore, and 491 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,120 Speaker 1: when I saw this one, I thought of you. Thanks 492 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 1: again for the awesome podcast. Uh. Crystal is the princess 493 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,199 Speaker 1: of my heart because not only did she write that 494 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: card on a cute Victorian Halloween card. But the book 495 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: is French fashion illustrations of the nineteen twenties. So it's 496 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: amazing and it's sweet, and it's just so thoughtful and 497 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 1: it's cool. It's fashion close for the twenties, and it's 498 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: sort of these little isolated illustrations that were from La 499 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: Posen and I absolutely love it. It's the sweetest thing. 500 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Crystal. I cannot even tell you 501 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: how much I love this and sat at my desk 502 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,360 Speaker 1: pouring over it yesterday when I should have been doing work, work, work, 503 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: But you gotta pause and appreciate these things. So that 504 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: is the scoop. 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