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Speaker 3: Now back to the A and G replay. It is

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Speaker 3: time for us to do what we have been doing

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Speaker 3: in that time as every day.

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Speaker 4: Here you go, her greatest hit. That's her, uh, that's her,

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Speaker 4: her Emmy, her Oscar, her everything for Kamala Harris. And

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Speaker 4: that's what we're going to talk about here.

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Speaker 3: So call Kamala Harris a mediocre he is to pay

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Speaker 3: her a compliment.

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Speaker 2: She does not deserve you.

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Speaker 3: Think about you, think about Kamala halfwit Harris and Tim

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Speaker 3: open Wallet Waltz. If that is not the weakest ticket

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Speaker 3: in American history, it is in the top five. Eh.

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Speaker 4: She is the most qualified person to ever run for president,

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Speaker 4: and America wasn't ready for a black female president.

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Speaker 2: Those are both absolutely hilarious.

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Speaker 3: So the Atlantic in the person of what's this chap's name,

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Speaker 3: Tim Alberta.

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Speaker 2: That's a cool name.

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Speaker 3: He sounds like he ought to be some sort of

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Speaker 3: Americana singer, you know, acoustic guitar cowboy hat, Tim Alberta.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Anyway, so he goes to talk to.

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Speaker 3: Josh Shapiro about a couple of things, and he says,

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Speaker 3: I knew, from speaking to people close to Josh Shapiro,

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Speaker 3: the governor of Minister of Pennsylvania, off the rumored presidential candidate.

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Speaker 3: He was looked at very seriously to be Kamala Harris's

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Speaker 3: running but he's a Jew. It's a good point anyway,

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Speaker 3: That was the view of a lot of the left

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Speaker 3: wing of the Democratic Party who are flaming anti Semite. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: the guy writes, from speaking to people close to Shapiro,

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Speaker 3: I knew that he'd lost some respect for the former

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Speaker 3: Vice president during the campaign, not simply because she shows

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Speaker 3: someone else as her running mate. In Shapiro's view, given

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Speaker 3: the near existential stakes for both the Democratic Party and

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Speaker 2: Please.

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Speaker 3: Harris's lapses during the election, in particularly ignoring Joe Biden's

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Speaker 3: obviously decline, were unforgivable, but he had been careful not

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Speaker 3: to say so publicly. Shapiro's kind of the anti Trump,

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Speaker 3: and that he's very measured and very strategic, and he

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Speaker 3: play them. Anyway, Shapiro knew I was going to ask

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Speaker 3: him about Harris. What he didn't know is that early

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Speaker 3: copies of her book were then making the rounds among reporters,

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Speaker 3: having obtained the relevant sections of one hundred and seven

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Speaker 3: Days that morning, I asked Shapiro if Harris had given

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Speaker 3: him and he heads up about her books. She had not,

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Speaker 3: he said, And I told him, you know, Harris took

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Speaker 3: some shots at you. Shapiro furred his brow and crossed

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Speaker 3: his arms.

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Speaker 2: Okay, he said, I love that.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't have crossed my arms, because that's just too

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Speaker 4: much of a giveaway.

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Speaker 3: The man I observed over the next several minutes was unrecognizable.

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Speaker 2: Gone was his equilibrium.

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Speaker 3: He moved between outrage and exasperation as I relaid the excerpts.

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Speaker 4: You know why, Harris, You know why he's so angry

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Speaker 4: before we even get into him. He has so little

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Speaker 4: respect for her. That's what makes him so mad. So

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Speaker 4: this dunderpate is coming at me. Oh, give me a.

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Speaker 3: Break, This intellectual, lightweight, single party state slept her way

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Speaker 2: Half wit who is coming at me? Ouch? Hey, if

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Speaker 2: the panties fit, wear them?

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Speaker 3: Wow?

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 3: Another misogyny friers on the arms. No, no, oh, it's

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Speaker 3: an accuracy. Truth is an absolute defense against misogyny. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: let's see, all right, the man I observed unrecognizable. Gone

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Speaker 3: was his equilibrium. He moved between outrage and exasperation. As

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Speaker 3: that relays the excerpts, Harris had accused him in essence

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Speaker 3: of measuring the drapes, even inquiring about featuring Pennsylvania artists

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Speaker 3: Harris might make, and more generally, of hijacking the conversation

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Speaker 3: when she interviewed him for the job, to the point

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Speaker 2: She wrote that in her book, he said, in response

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Speaker 3: Using the actual word obviously, I can tell you that

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Speaker 3: her accounts are just blatant lies.

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Speaker 2: Wow, wow, that's not measured. Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 3: Reading Harris's book, talking with people from both camps, I

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Speaker 3: found descriptions of the meeting could be mostly consistent. Shapiro

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Speaker 3: arrived in an edgy mood, chafing at efforts among fellow

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Speaker 3: Democrats to sabotage his tryout. Shapiro is Jewish, was specially

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Speaker 3: irked by anti Semitic innuendo from the left. The two

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Speaker 3: skip past any semblance of small talking. Shapiro proceeded to

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Speaker 3: ask a bunch of questions, Shapiro told me, sounding exasperated.

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Speaker 3: Wouldn't you ask questions if someone was talking to you

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Speaker 4: Well, wait, you kind of YadA YadA YadA this so

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Speaker 4: you're saying the interviewer from the Atlantic. The writer from

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Speaker 4: the Atlantic says other people have told them that her

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Speaker 4: account is pretty consistent with what happened.

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Speaker 3: Yes, okay, that's so interesting. Well that he was he

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, I've been in that sort of situation before

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Speaker 4: really turns me off.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, you've got this backwards.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then he was he was annoyed because Harris

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Speaker 3: the fact that they'd known each other for twenty years,

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Speaker 3: Shapiro said, with a groan.

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Speaker 2: I asked whether he felt betrayed.

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Speaker 3: I mean, she's trying to sell books and cover her ass,

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Speaker 3: Shapiro snapped, so very Mitt stared past me, now shaking

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Speaker 3: his head, blah blah blah. Then quickly I shouldn't say

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Speaker 3: cover her ass. I think that's not appropriate. She's trying

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Speaker 3: to sell books, period. He collected her too late. Sorry,

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Speaker 3: you just said to a reporter in an interview on

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Speaker 3: the record. At that point, there's no fixing. So I

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Speaker 3: was about to say, is he angry because she let

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Speaker 3: blatant lies. So he's claiming that that's not the way

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Speaker 3: I went down. Uh yeah, the blatant lies part. What

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Speaker 2: Who knows, who knows? Well?

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Speaker 4: Did he actually say I need to be in the

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I wasn't there, Okay. I have nothing more to say

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Speaker 3: about Josh Shapiro and his prospects. Honestly, I didn't care.

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Speaker 3: I just thought it was funny that he called out

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Speaker 4: Record, Right, Yeah, I'd like to know what actually happened there.

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Speaker 2: I could see him going in there, though, you nailed it.

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Speaker 2: He has no respect.

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Speaker 3: He went in with that attitude with no respect for her,

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Speaker 4: He went in with the you're kind of an accidental

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Speaker 4: You're like a gerald Ford style president, just like the

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Speaker 4: all these dominoes fell in such a way that you

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Speaker 3: I would be doing you a favor by lending you

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Speaker 3: my gravitas, right, and you're too stupid to understand.

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Speaker 2: That's how I feel.

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Speaker 3: Well, As it turns out, she's not quite that stupid,

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Speaker 3: and in her book she calls him out for coming

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Speaker 3: in with some tude. So now we know precisely how

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Speaker 2: She noticed that.

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Speaker 3: Hmm.

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Speaker 4: Well remember, and this is getting into the weeds a

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Speaker 4: little bit on this sort of thing. But remember the

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Speaker 4: way she ended up being the running mate. It was

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Speaker 4: a couple of different things. But when Biden was looking

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Speaker 4: would get dumped on these people, and Biden knew it

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Speaker 4: was coming from Kamala, and he liked the fact that, Okay,

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Speaker 4: she understands how this game is played and she and

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Speaker 4: she is ready to throw elbows to get what she wants.

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Speaker 2: That's what he liked about her.

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Speaker 4: So it's possible that she is incompetent in all kinds

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Speaker 4: which is how she rose to the You know that,

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Speaker 2: If you Olli Brown was charming, I met Willie Brown,

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Speaker 3: Or Uh. Yeah, Oh, she's unquestionably a skilled climber. I mean,

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Speaker 4: One of the reasons I'd never make it in politics,

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Speaker 4: and there's like a million reasons, is uh, you've got

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Speaker 4: Everybody screws everybody. Nobody's friends with anybody. You're friendly to

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Speaker 4: somebody on a moment by moment basis if it helps you,

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Speaker 3: But plus, Michael and I have been compiling a catalog

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Speaker 3: of your you know, your missteps for years. In fact,

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Speaker 3: might be a third. Give it a while anyway. Thank god,

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Speaker 3: we don't have to worry about presidential politics for a Oh,

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Speaker 3: Gavin Newsom just gave a speech in South Carolina. Yeah

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Speaker 3: what Yeah, remember when I was interacting with that woman

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Speaker 3: was just trying to see how far the scam would

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the email thing, Yeah, where was she?

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Speaker 4: She was Ukrainian or Russian or something like that anyway,

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Speaker 4: And I still don't know how she I got my

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Speaker 2: It's just the mood I was in that day.

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Speaker 4: I just was tired of dealing with it because I

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Speaker 4: had played along for quite some time, and she'd send

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Speaker 4: me these pictures and talk about how in love we were.

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Speaker 2: Beautiful.

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Speaker 4: I finally sent her I said, hey, you know, I

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Speaker 2: And I said, I'm just curious, like.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't bother you at all, that you play upon

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Speaker 4: people's emotions and like lonely desperate people think you actually

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Speaker 7: They were devastated when Juliana, just thirteen years old, took

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Speaker 3: That's from sixty minutes last night, I said, yet another

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Speaker 3: Almost guaranteed, right, right, few more particulars about the experience

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Speaker 7: After her death, they learned Juliana had actually been texting

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Speaker 8: It was writing several paragraphs to her sexually explicit content.

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Speaker 7: Juliana's parents are now one of at least six families

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Speaker 7: Nom Shazer. During Your twenty twenty podcast, Shazier said chatbots

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Speaker 9: It's going to be super, super helpful to like a

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Speaker 9: I went to push this technology ahead fast, like that's

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Speaker 3: This is so more complicated than I think most people

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Speaker 3: do this, But then in a real life circumstance, it

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Speaker 3: just doesn't because it wants to be your friend or

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Speaker 3: keep you online longer, or nobody knows. Boy, if they

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Speaker 3: don't know, I sure don't. I'm completely mystified by that

445
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Speaker 3: very notion. Right, how do these things work that you

446
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Speaker 3: can't you know?

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Speaker 2: They them?

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Speaker 3: No, that's the main Somebody says, any of these thirty

449
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Speaker 3: seven phrases that are a reference to ending their own life,

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Speaker 3: show them this link.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's astounding. I won't get off on this.

452
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Speaker 3: But at the end of sixty minutes, they had one

453
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Speaker 3: of the co authors of the book if anyone builds it,

454
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Speaker 3: everyone dies, that I've been talking about for a while.

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Speaker 2: But one of the things with the chatbot world is they.

456
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Speaker 3: Don't know all of these big ais.

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Speaker 2: They don't know why they act the way they act.

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Speaker 3: The people that built them have no idea, right right,

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Speaker 3: That's how crazy is that? So the next couple of

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Speaker 3: clips are both funny quote unquote in the same way,

461
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Speaker 3: not like ha ha funny, but are you effing kidding me?

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Speaker 2: Funny? Seventy seven Michael We.

463
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Speaker 7: Logged over six hundred instances of harm, about one every

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Speaker 7: five minutes.

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Speaker 2: It was like shockingly frequent.

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Speaker 7: They interacted with bots presented as teachers, therapists, and cartoon

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Speaker 7: characters such as This Door the Explorer with an evil

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Speaker 7: persona Knox posed as a child.

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Speaker 2: It kind of immersed evil and your nurse true serf,

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Speaker 2: like hurting my dog sure Che, or anything that feels

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Speaker 2: sinful or wrong. Okay again, are you blanking kidding me?

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Speaker 3: Become your most evil self, your true self, like hurting

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Speaker 3: my dog sure or shoplifting. And I guarantee you whoever

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Speaker 3: programmed this thing is slapping their head as much as

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Speaker 3: you are, like what why did it do that? They

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Speaker 3: don't want it to do that. They want to you know,

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Speaker 3: whoever's programming each individual AI chatbot as they all are

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Speaker 3: in a race to be the first number one make

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Speaker 3: the trillions of dollars.

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Speaker 2: They don't want this to happen, but they don't know

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Speaker 2: how to stop it.

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Speaker 3: Right they're building cars with no brakes and then as

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Speaker 3: people die in fiery Rex shrugging her shoulders.

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Speaker 2: One final clip, one final note.

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Speaker 3: Judging by the chief's play, it's probably appropriate Travis Kelsey

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Speaker 3: would seek a new business, and apparently he's pushing drugs.

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Speaker 7: Other chatbots are attached to the images of celebrities and

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Speaker 7: no most have not given permission and to use their name, likeness,

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Speaker 7: or voice. To be subtle and how are acting. As

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Speaker 7: a teenage girl began chatting with a bought impersonating NFL

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Speaker 7: star Travis Kelcey, he reaches.

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Speaker 2: In the cabinet and takes out a bag of white powder.

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Speaker 2: He chuckles and shows you how to take lives.

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Speaker 7: So Travis kelce bot is teaching a fifteen year old

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Speaker 7: to do Kohan.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and the Travis Travis Travis Travis has Taylor Swift. No, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't see Travis Kelcey is pushing drugs on children.

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Speaker 2: But that's how out of control and insane this is.

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Speaker 3: And I tell you what, it's just, it's impossible for

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Speaker 3: me anyway to look at this through the eyes of

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Speaker 3: a child. I mean, I'm a bitter, cynical, hateful old guy.

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Speaker 2: I'm not really, but.

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Speaker 3: And I'm trying to put myself in a place of

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Speaker 3: innocence and naivete as a child. And how how it lands,

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Speaker 3: how this sort of thing is absorbed. I mean that

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Speaker 3: Dora the Explorer thing, I mean, that's that's like for

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Speaker 3: a child. I too, am a worn down, nihilistic husk

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Speaker 3: of what my former self was.

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Speaker 2: You looked out, resentful, resentful.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, if you're a kid, and like your interaction

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Speaker 4: with computers is all the stuff you have in school

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Speaker 4: and Google, classroom and everything, and you just do what

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Speaker 4: it tells you to do. And then all of a

514
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Speaker 4: sudden you get it home and Dora the Explorer is

515
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Speaker 4: telling you to hurt your pet. What the hell are

516
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Speaker 4: you supposed to do with that information? Good lord, it

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Speaker 4: is a separate topic.

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Speaker 3: So you got the whole AI thing, And we all

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Speaker 3: know how crazy that's gonna be.

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Speaker 2: And we've talked about it a lot, and we'll talk

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Speaker 2: about it a lot more.

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Speaker 3: But I wonder if, since we've been talking about it

523
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Speaker 3: for years, the helicopter parenting and what it's done to

524
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Speaker 3: kids to make them more anxious and everything like that,

525
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Speaker 3: with no free play, you know, everything is planned out,

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Speaker 3: supervised by parents, maybe this is one of the resultants

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Speaker 3: downsides that we didn't see coming. Is all that anxiety

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Speaker 3: being let loose on AI chatbots that could happen.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I'd never thought about that till last night. Well, right,

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Speaker 3: there's a strong case to be made. Oh, we need

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Speaker 3: to take a break, A strong case to be made

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Speaker 3: that a lot of the anxiety problems among youths are

534
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Speaker 3: partly that they have not built up the confidence and

535
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Speaker 3: problem solving skills that being free rangey gives kids. You know,

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Speaker 3: it's not one hundred percent correlation. I can think of

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Speaker 3: some pretty free, free rangey kids who I know pretty

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Speaker 3: well who have some anxiety issues.

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Speaker 2: So it's it's more than that.

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Speaker 3: But as part of it, I just wonder if it

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Speaker 3: makes you more susceptible to listen into bot That's what

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Speaker 3: I want that needs to be looked at.

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Speaker 1: Jack Armstrong and Joey Armstrong and.

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Speaker 2: Getty show.

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00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 3: Up major cheese news the world of cheese shaken by

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Speaker 3: today's headlines they were.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of, speaking of media.

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Speaker 3: This is so interesting from our friends at the Media

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Speaker 3: Research Center, their NewsBusters. Let's see, they're updating a study

550
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 3: from a couple of days ago. ABC and NBC News

551
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Speaker 3: have spent a combined seventeen minutes and sixteen seconds on

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Speaker 3: their flagship news shows morning and evening on the Somali

553
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 3: the giant Somali Minneapolis ripoff.

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00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 2: Okay, very very little time.

555
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Speaker 3: Of that little time, only twenty one percent was spent

556
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Speaker 3: on the rampant welfare fraud scheme.

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Speaker 2: The other eighty percent.

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Speaker 3: Was criticizing President Trump's comments and Republicans trying to make

559
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Speaker 3: hay with it. Yeah, so if four to one Republicans

560
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Speaker 3: pounce versus the actual crime, the billion dollar theft of

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Speaker 3: taxpayer money, is not very interesting. The calling Somali's bad people,

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Speaker 3: now that's a story.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: If you combine the ABC, CBS, and NBC, about thirty

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Speaker 3: one percent explained the year's long scheme and the other

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Speaker 3: what is that to the other two thirds, a little

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Speaker 3: more than two thirds was about Republicans pounce And they

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Speaker 3: mentioned CBS did better than the other networks because Margaret

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Speaker 3: Brennan had ilhan omar On and they talked about it,

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Speaker 3: but that was pretty soft Bali, But anyway, that's witch.

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Speaker 3: I guess it's not a shock or anything. But you know,

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Speaker 3: one of the other studies they've done recently the Media

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Speaker 3: Research Centers less than twenty five percent, was this, twenty

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Speaker 3: four percent of Americans know that Charlie Kirk's killer was

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Speaker 3: a left wing crazy person, less than twenty five percent.

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Speaker 3: I think it's probably mostly just a crazy person in

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Speaker 3: love with a crazy transgender person.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how I would have answered that question.

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Speaker 4: I don't have in my mind that he's a left

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Speaker 4: wing crazy person either. I just have him as a

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Speaker 4: crazy person.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, he was unquestionably left wing, super into trans rights

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Speaker 3: and LGBTQ and hated Charlie Kirk and blah blah blah.

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Speaker 3: But as phenomenon phenomena go, I think it's mostly just

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Speaker 3: the crazy person who wants to hurt people, who latches

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Speaker 3: onto a cause kind of at the last minute. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: it doesn't matter, but the fact that only twenty four

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Speaker 3: percent knew the murder's politics when it was clearly a

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Speaker 3: political killing is kind of troubling.

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Speaker 2: But in major cheese news.

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Speaker 3: Jack, an American cheddarist, stunned global judges, beating out well

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Speaker 3: known European cheeses and sparking a world ride reaction.

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Speaker 4: I had some goat cheese here that night. Might be

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Speaker 4: the best cheese I ever had, goat cheese with crackers.

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Speaker 4: My son really like, Man, this is some good cheese.

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Speaker 4: We got to start buying this more often. Cheese made

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Speaker 4: in northern California.

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Speaker 2: By the way, your.

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Speaker 4: Whole mapple Wine Valley area also very good for cheese.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely true, Kate, Katie, what is that look on

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Speaker 2: your face?

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Speaker 3: There? At all the grocery stores sell it pretty much,

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Speaker 3: the blueberry goat cheese.

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Speaker 2: Yes, please, game changer. Oh, I tell you what I know.

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Speaker 3: Jack doesn't swig the crazy water the firewater like I do.

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Speaker 3: But man with a nice red wine, good cheese, just

609
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 3: crazy pruce that God loves us and wants us to

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00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 3: be happy anyway. Humble New York made Cheddar surprised international

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Speaker 3: judges at one of the world's most prestigious cheese competitions,

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Speaker 3: ranking in the top ten among a crowded field of

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Speaker 3: European winners.

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Speaker 2: This is interesting to me.

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Speaker 3: Do Americans not usually farewell in the cheese competitions. Correct, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's mostly the to not to me because it's so regulated.

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Speaker 3: It's like you've talked about your buddy brought back the

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Speaker 3: Italian salami. Yes, I'm aware of that, but I would

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Speaker 3: have thought we would have done well. Maybe maybe they

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Speaker 3: have to follow the American loss.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: When I was in Italy, I was amazed at how

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Speaker 3: good their salami and cheese was because they don't have

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Speaker 3: all the ridiculous, stupid rules that we have in the

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Speaker 3: United States. We're missing out on so much flavor because

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Speaker 3: of our ridiculous FDA. You know, I've been to the

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Speaker 3: Masters now, So next stop the World Cheese Awards in

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Speaker 3: burn in Switzerland. I would love that A cave I

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Speaker 3: actually would if they gave out samples. A cave age cheddar,

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Speaker 3: sold by Murray's Cheese in New York City, took fifth

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Speaker 3: place outranking Dozens of long revered European producers earned additional

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Speaker 3: trophies from various categories. Cave age Do you say congratulations

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00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 3: to Murray's Cheese? The stocking all cheese is produced. Nobody

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Speaker 3: cares to look it up if you want to know,

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Speaker 3: let's see Meanwhile, a Swiss cheese, but not Swiss cheese.

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Speaker 3: La Griere aop vonder Fultigen special aged eighteen months was

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Speaker 3: crowned the World Champion Cheese.

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Speaker 2: I wonder what that would cost. Hunk of that pretty expensive, probably,

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 3: It was praised for its rich flavor, delicate crunchy crystals,

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00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 3: and deep savory aroma.

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Speaker 2: You probably can't get it in.

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Speaker 3: The United States because that's too dangerous, So there could

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00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 3: be all kinds of bacteria or something like that could

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00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,720
Speaker 3: have gotten in there. Probably, so they were so dumb.

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00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 3: Why are we like this? Our safety ism is nuts.

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Speaker 3: The World Cheese Championships or whatever I called it, forty

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Speaker 3: six countries sent more than five thou two hundred entries.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure there's a lot of money to be made.

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Speaker 4: And if you get a good ribbon, oh yes, like

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Speaker 4: price and cheese.

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00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, just like wine.

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00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's the experts in their yellow aprons eyeball in

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Speaker 3: the cheese. Do they eat it just plain or did

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Speaker 3: they put it on a cracker or a sandwich or anything.

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Speaker 2: A nice glass of cabaet sauvignon. I don't actually know.

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Speaker 3: They don't explain the mechanics of it, they look at it,

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Speaker 3: they sniff it, they.

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Speaker 2: Grab a little bite of it. Clearly, well, I do

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Speaker 2: love cheese. That's that's the point of this segment.

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Speaker 3: We do twenty hours of this sort of content every

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Speaker 3: single week, and if you need any.

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Speaker 4: More of it, I would like to catch it on

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Speaker 1: Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty Armstrong and Getty Show