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Speaker 1: Welcome back to our number two of the drive here

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Speaker 1: on Steelers Nation Radio and Matt and they mentioned I

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Speaker 1: did a lot of mock drafting last night.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought we do one to kick off our

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Speaker 2: number two today. I love it. Yeah, got blood boiling

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Speaker 2: on it.

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Speaker 1: We're on the Pro Football Networks, mock drafter and uh,

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Speaker 1: just to run through pretty good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So here's what they got happening. It's a little different here.

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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams one, sure, Joe All number two. Wow, how

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Speaker 1: about that? Drake May three, Marvin Harrison four, Molik Neighbors five,

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Speaker 1: A Dunez a six to the Giants. Dallas Turner goes.

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Speaker 2: To the Titans. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Cool Aid McKinstry goes at eight late two at nine,

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Speaker 1: uh Foshanu at ten. Jayden Daniels goes down at eleven

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Speaker 1: to the Vikings. Yeah, and you got Keon Coleman, Terry

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Speaker 1: and Arnold Talisi, Fuaga, Chop Robinson, j C.

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Speaker 2: Latham. The Dolphins traded.

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Speaker 1: Up, they were at the they were at twe one.

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Speaker 1: They go up to sixteen to get that. So Seattle QUINNYA.

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Speaker 1: Mitchell at seventeen, Brock Bowers at eighteen to the.

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Speaker 2: Bengals, unconventional move for them, but too hard to pass

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Speaker 2: up to the guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Nate Wiggins goes at nineteen to the Rams and

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Speaker 1: we are on the clock.

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Speaker 2: We have three trade offers. Okay, but some of these

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Speaker 2: some tackles available.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the players available to us here, jers On Newton,

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Speaker 1: well he doesn't really fit. Jared Versy, we don't need

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Speaker 1: an edge, Cooper.

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Speaker 2: Dejen that's very appealing. We could use that.

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Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy, bo Nix, Byron Murphy, Brian Thomas or Marius Mims, Tyler, Geiton, Graham, Barton,

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Speaker 1: Cameron Kinchins, Troy Fatanu, Leonard Taylor, Jackson, Powers, Johnson.

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Speaker 2: So there's four names to me, is Dejene, Power, Johnson,

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Speaker 2: Guiton Mimes. Yeah that you don't happy with any of those? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: at this stage of the game. If one of those

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Speaker 2: was your twentieth pick you told me today, I'd be like, good,

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Speaker 2: I'm very happy with that. I'm very content with that.

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Speaker 2: So let's take a look at our trade offers. You

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Speaker 2: see what's going on here. So the Philadelphia Eagles are

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Speaker 2: on the phone. Perfect, they don't pick too far away.

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Speaker 2: They're at pick twenty two.

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Speaker 1: They want picked twenty and one twenty for pick twenty

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Speaker 1: two and their twenty twenty five second round draft pick.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a great deal, and I would strongly

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Speaker 2: considered it in the real world, and I would if

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Speaker 2: you were to make that deal, maybe I would trade

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Speaker 2: next year's third or fourth for a third or something

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Speaker 2: this year. But we're on radio, and future picks aren't

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Speaker 2: all that exciting. I'm gonna be a little counter. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: let's counter. Let's go see twenty to twenty two and

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Speaker 2: not give up the fourth. What can we get then

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Speaker 2: twenty to twenty two? Can we get there?

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Speaker 1: Ninety seven? I would think that would seem fair. Yeah, me,

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Speaker 1: only two spots, but it's first round because what they

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Speaker 1: what they have is twenty two, fifty to fifty three,

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Speaker 1: ninety seven, one fifty nine, one sixty nine, one seventy one,

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Speaker 1: seventy seven and one eighty eight.

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Speaker 2: Wow, they could be taken to gene. They could be

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Speaker 2: but takeing no linement and be happy. But you know

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Speaker 2: it be slightly sad. Let's see if I propose this,

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Speaker 2: if they yeah, we want to throw in two thirty

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Speaker 2: seven for us. We don't have to make the sticks always,

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Speaker 2: you know it, No, you two waited it up. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that could be that screams punter for us, though for

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Speaker 2: the next couple that trade has been accepted. Okay, what

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Speaker 2: number did we get from them from twenty two and

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Speaker 2: ninety eight or ninety seven? Nice? Oy? Yeah, so the

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Speaker 2: third back to.

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Speaker 1: The sim Okay, they took Brian Thomas, and then the

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Speaker 1: Seahawks took Cooper de Jene.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so I know on these you can trade down

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Speaker 2: like crazy, but I think gets a little little little

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Speaker 2: bonkers like we have the We have two trade offers

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Speaker 2: here already. The Rams are on the phone.

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Speaker 1: They want to give us fifty two eighty three, two seventeen,

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Speaker 1: their twenty twenty five second round draft pick and their

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Speaker 1: twenty two.

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Speaker 2: Which is probably a good deal in the real world.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you probably hit on half ive picks right

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Speaker 2: right include future. But I think we tell them no,

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Speaker 2: I mean to reject that one.

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Speaker 1: Let's make a pick and the Falcons want to give

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Speaker 1: us pick forty three and they're twenty twenty five first

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Speaker 1: wow for pick twenty two and a twenty twenty five

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Speaker 2: And I would say yes, world two, but that's not

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Speaker 2: that's moving down a long way though, too. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you may end up with the eighth pick in the

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Speaker 2: draft next year. If you thought that you were going

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Speaker 2: to be in the quarterback market next year, it's good

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Speaker 2: insurance if you're not. Yeah, you know, I mean, if

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Speaker 2: you are, I'm going to reject that as well. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we're up here at twenty two, so now we're going

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Speaker 2: to fight about a tackle or a center. Right.

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Speaker 1: So you got Mims, you got Geiten, You've got Fatano,

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Speaker 1: who I think is more of a guard.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I could play that. I don't think we wouldn't

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Speaker 2: be in my to be third of those guys for sure.

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Speaker 1: Empowers Johnson to me, if this were Latham, I would

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Speaker 1: take the tackle.

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Speaker 2: Okay. See to me, Latham and those two tackles are

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Speaker 2: the same for me. Now, very very subject to change.

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Speaker 2: I think we're going to take the center. I think

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Speaker 2: we're taking the center. I think you just take the center.

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Speaker 2: I mean, now that we have an extra pick in

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Speaker 2: our back pocket, I think there's a better chance of

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Speaker 2: nabbing a tackle on day two. The center that you're

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Speaker 2: excited about, you can count we got the best center. Yeah, Okay, cool,

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Speaker 2: and we're set for the next decade hundred years opening. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: all right, we're back.

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Speaker 1: Up now here at fifty one, and we have a

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Speaker 1: trade offer the Falcons when he give us one on

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Speaker 1: nine one to fourteen. They're twenty twenty five third round

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Speaker 2: That's a lot. It's a time. I just don't think

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Speaker 2: we should do any more trading down. Yeah, that's we

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Speaker 2: can't do that.

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Speaker 1: That's just this is stuff like that is where I

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Speaker 1: think people get crazy with why don't you just move down?

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Speaker 2: Because it's so easy to do on these It's so

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Speaker 2: easy because part of the reason the real world sign

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Speaker 2: onto the site is because it's fun to trade down. Absolutely,

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Speaker 2: they get it. We trade down a lot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, now we get here to fifty one. Zach Fraser

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Speaker 1: was still on the board.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so be it. You know, that's I can live

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Speaker 1: The top players available to Andre Sweat, Zach Fraser, Brandon Dorius,

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Speaker 1: the edge rusher out of Oregon, Jatavian Sanders, the tight end

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Speaker 1: out of Texas, Chris Braswell, Braylan Trice, Kaylin King, Michael Hall, Rouke,

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Speaker 1: O'rojo Patrick Paul, Chris Jenkins, Jonathan Brooks, McKinley Jackson, Cedric Gray.

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Speaker 2: I don't love this. I wish we were traded down.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll find aha. Darius Robinson interesting, I was

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Speaker 2: gonna not thinking of him. I assumed he went. I

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Speaker 2: was going to suggest Jenkins because I didn't plan on

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Speaker 2: going d line here. But you get the extra pick,

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Speaker 2: I think you take them. Yeah, yeah, And I wasn't

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Speaker 2: thrilled about Jenkins. I was just all the names you

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Speaker 2: mentioned weren't making me do somersaults. Yeah, No, Darius Robinson

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Speaker 2: and yeah, yeah, we'll play somewhere and we'll play yeah,

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Speaker 2: impact downs.

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Speaker 1: We're back up here now at eighty four. The Colts

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're at the market all right.

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Speaker 1: So at eighty four, Top players available McKinley Jackson, Tyron Hopper,

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Speaker 1: linebacker at A, Missouri, Brayln Allen, the running back out

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Speaker 1: of Wisconsin, Ben Sinnatt, senate I should say, the tight

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Speaker 1: end of the K state. Javon Bullard, the safety out

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Speaker 1: of Georgia. Maybe Peyton Wilson, the linebacker at of NC State,

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Speaker 1: Johnny Wilson, the wide receiver out of Florida State. James

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Speaker 1: Williams at six or five safety out of Miami, Oudric Estemi,

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Speaker 1: the running back out of Notre Dame, the Ale offensive tackle.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's interesting.

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Speaker 1: Josh Newton, the cornerback out of TCU, Jaheim Bell, Blake Corham,

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Speaker 2: So I think secondaries a way to look here. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think so too. I would think about the Georgia

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Speaker 2: safety Sanstril might be of the fit Santstrol.

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Speaker 1: I know's he's small, he's but man, he takes the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's nasty, he's a leader. He would be your

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Speaker 2: slot from day one, day one, and this is the

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Speaker 2: third round. Now I'm cool with that. Yeah, he's an

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Speaker 2: attitude guy too. And remember we got another pick coming

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Speaker 2: up here at ninety seven, and so we're gonna get

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Speaker 2: one of these other dudes. So at ninety seven. Top

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Speaker 2: players available Braylan Allen, ben sonnett A Odrick Estimate, Braden Fisk,

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Speaker 2: Josh Newton, cornerback out of TCU, Jaheim Bell, tight end

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Speaker 1: Jonah Ellis, ed rusher out of Utah, Blake Fisher the

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Speaker 1: offensive tackle out of Notre Dame, Mason Smith, defensive tackle

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Speaker 2: Michael Pratt the quarterback out of Tlane. It's about his neighborhood.

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Speaker 2: Junior Colson the linebacker out of Michigan. That's intriguing. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you got a roommate. He just took his roommate. That's true.

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Speaker 2: That's my favorite name you mentioned. McKai Wingo the defensive

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Speaker 2: tackle out of LSU.

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Speaker 1: Jalen Wright, running back out of Tennessee. I'm just gonna

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Speaker 1: let's see Kyrie Jackson, the cornerback out of Oregon. You

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Speaker 1: go back back to back cornerbacks.

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Speaker 2: Very different. Couldn't look any different, right, I was about

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Speaker 2: to say before you started naming lists that by no

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Speaker 2: means am I content with my secondary? Just for drafting

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Speaker 2: a five eight corner. You know, Ricky Pearsaw is available. No,

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Speaker 2: not bad. Could use a wide receiver.

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Speaker 1: Jacob Cowing out of Arizona is still available as well.

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Speaker 1: Christian Mahogany is there.

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Speaker 2: Not bad fit. I mean we took a center, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean that's you'd be happy he's there. In general,

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Speaker 2: I like pear Saw. I also, for those of you

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Speaker 2: that listened or now you can on a podcast version,

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Speaker 2: we broke down linebackers yesterday. Yeah, and that group isn't

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Speaker 2: it's not great, not great to go shopping. I think

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Speaker 2: you take the Michigan linebacker. Yeah, it wasn't really my plan,

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Speaker 2: and it still really isn't my draft plan. But we

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Speaker 2: got an extra pick, so.

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Speaker 1: Colson six to twenty eight, so he's got a little

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Speaker 1: bit of length to them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that defense was nastiesty, smart. Yeah, got them

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Speaker 2: all aligned, all that stuff too. I mean you got

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Speaker 2: the two leaders of the best defense in the nation. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean that's their type of guys. All right, I'm

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Speaker 2: cool with that. It wouldn't have been my plan. I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't think that the direction we went, yeah we did.

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Speaker 2: We still haven't gotten a wide receiver from that. Two

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Speaker 2: picture would be nice.

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Speaker 1: We got two pictures back to back in one nineteen

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Speaker 1: one twenty. We could also take a safety.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it wouldn't hurt, but we can get the side out.

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Speaker 1: Satoa Loumeya, offensive tackle from Utah Okay Mahogany is still there.

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Speaker 1: Right, all right, So Kyrie Jackson is the Okay, but

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Speaker 1: We got one twenty here, we get the Saints. We

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we got one ninety six remaining, So all those

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Speaker 2: What we have here. I'd like to get there next two.

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Speaker 1: We just talked about all those names. Now we'll talk

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Speaker 2: I'd love that. Drafting a tackle at this point probably

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Speaker 1: Anthony Belton, offensive tackle at of VNC State. Curtis Jacobs,

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Speaker 1: Keith Randolph, junior off defensive tackle out of Illinois. He's

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Speaker 2: We already got one of those. Brendon Rice is still there.

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Speaker 2: But he's skinny, we don't need him. THEO Johnson comes

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Speaker 2: Recevi Cohen's there too, m zinter. You're getting a lot

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm fine with I have no problem with

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Speaker 1: Know, then you move, then you move Heyward to full

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Speaker 2: I mean he carried, carried, still do everything. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: thought Johnson was a pretty good prospect. Yeah, he's big,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I still McCaffrey. I still like McCaffrey sitting there.

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Speaker 2: sixty six. THEO Johnson is still there. I think I

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Speaker 2: THEO Johnson's to pick back back up again here.

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Speaker 1: And Keith Randolph was there Aaron Casey, linebacker out of Indiana,

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Speaker 2: He throw away junco picks.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we got Jackson Powers Johnson at twenty two, fantastic,

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Speaker 1: We got Mike Santistro at ninety seven, Junior Colson teammates

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Speaker 2: National chance Kyrie Jackson carry Jackson wasn't there either there right, No, yeah,

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Speaker 1: These rankings change, and they just and this These will

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Speaker 2: Or boy you're ran a four to two or whatever.

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Speaker 1: But that can happen in a draft like this where

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Speaker 2: He is the Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lolly. That was

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Speaker 2: our latest mock draft. We'll keep doing these.

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Speaker 1: We do these a lot of these, just to throw

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Speaker 2: right after this. Welcome back. I am Dale Lolly. He

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Speaker 1: I thought in this segment here we would talk about

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Speaker 1: we've gone over free agents disisions here thus far, and

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Speaker 1: So Michael Pittman's at the top. He's not eving, he's

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00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 1: only yeah, and he got Gabe Davis.

432
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,680
Speaker 2: He doesn't interest me. He doesn't, Yeah, I don't. I'm

433
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,880
Speaker 2: not interested in that. I think he's gonna get overpaid.

434
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:57,640
Speaker 2: Calvin Ridley, that's shooting pretty big. He's twenty nine, he's older,

435
00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 2: and you think, yeah, I don't have been suspended twice, right.

436
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 1: Walked away once and missus walked away. Yet Mike Evans

437
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 1: is going to be way too expensive.

438
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:13,120
Speaker 2: Tyler Boyd, I mean, I think he's a decent candidate

439
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:18,360
Speaker 2: after they if they resigned Higgins and Boyd's sitting out

440
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 2: there two or three weeks in the free agency, wants

441
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 2: to come home, tough slot declining, you know, I mean,

442
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 2: but he's at the right price. He could be Mike

443
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 2: Alan Robinson type, you know.

444
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 1: I mean, that's kind of what he is. This Ki yeah, yeah,

445
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,440
Speaker 1: Marquise Brown. I don't have any interest in that. I

446
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 1: don't think they'll go little Josh Reynolds. I don't have

447
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:41,199
Speaker 1: any real interest in that.

448
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 2: Like, what's his projected salary. You're looking at a market

449
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 2: value of seven million dollars? You say, like five or six.

450
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 2: He's not bad. I would consider it, but I mean,

451
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,399
Speaker 2: I'm a he's not the answer. I don't know that

452
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:56,959
Speaker 2: I want to spend that kind of money though at

453
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 2: the wide receiver. Now, these guys are expensive though you

454
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 2: don't get any bargains. kJ Osborne, he's not bad as

455
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 2: a third. Yeah, that would that would interest me. He's

456
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 2: still twenty six okay, yeah, not terrible. What's his he's

457
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 2: a true three.

458
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he could step in and fill in outside

459
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 1: of seven point five million, So that's probably a little

460
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:16,640
Speaker 1: more than.

461
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 2: I'm going to spend as well. Yeah, I hear you.

462
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 2: Then you're looking at Darnell Mooney. No, he doesn't do

463
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 2: it for Yeah, I don't trust him.

464
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 1: DJ Shark, No, this one's interesting. There's one name my

465
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 1: dude like Nick Westbrook a Kinning.

466
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 2: That's not bad either. He's a pretty physical dude. Physical dude.

467
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 2: Was his slot was in Tennessee when Arthur Smith was

468
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 2: ThEC Did they overlap yeast of Yeah, one year he

469
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:44,640
Speaker 2: was there.

470
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: He was drafted in twenty twenty twenty when Arthur Smith

471
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 1: was the offensive coordinator.

472
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 2: He blocks, he blocks, He's a power slot. Yeah, he's

473
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,640
Speaker 2: never going to go to a Pro Bowl. But it's

474
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 2: not bad though. They projected on him.

475
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 1: He's projected you're like four or five million, you're looking

476
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 1: at two point five million.

477
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 2: That's that's what that's what I would be interested to

478
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 2: do a two years, six million dollar deal for him.

479
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, right now, he knows the offense. You know, he

480
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: can come in and maybe teach the.

481
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 2: Other guys about the offense. Great, but you're gonna know

482
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 2: a ton about him too, right, you.

483
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 1: Know, and play special teams and stuff. Yeah, do all

484
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 1: the stuff that you need that that third or fourth.

485
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 2: Receiver to do. I didn't know that name. I like

486
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 2: that Van Jefferson, who was spent some time with Arthur

487
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 2: Smith last year. Yeah, he's all right, but he's a

488
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 2: little different than what you're looking for. Yeah. Yeah, Nelson Aguilar,

489
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 2: he's almost thirty one. Yeah.

490
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 1: T Higgins, No, not happen. Chris Moore, Yeah, he'll be

491
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: thirty one. Rashid Shaheed.

492
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 2: Is he restricted? Rashid he's an Oh no, he's an exclusive.

493
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 2: Might be he's exclusive, right, Yes, he's like the Jalen Warren,

494
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 2: Curtis Samuel, that's the name I was thinking about. He's

495
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 2: not big, he's not durable, but he's explosive and he

496
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 2: does a lot of good stuff. Eleven point five million.

497
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 2: Yeah I pay him that though. I bet somebody does.

498
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 2: Somebody will. Yeah, but yeah, ten good games out of them.

499
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 2: It wouldn't be my team. Yeah, that's a lot. Uh,

500
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 2: that was the name. I thought you could get a

501
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 2: little cheaper. Cedric Wilson, that's not terrible. I don't, I don't, Yeah,

502
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 2: I don't hate that. Donovan People's Jones didn't do anything

503
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 2: with the Lions after they picked him up. Yeah, there

504
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 2: might be something missing there. But he is a big power.

505
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 2: He's a big downfield guy. Odell Beckham's and no, no,

506
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 2: no Brown. That's a good one. Yeah. Yeah, what's his

507
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 2: his market value comes in?

508
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: And now he had some big games last year five

509
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 1: five point six million, though, I bet he's twenty six

510
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 1: twenty Uh, I gotta get back every time I click

511
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: out of this readjusts uh so he is.

512
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 2: Twenty eight Okay, two year deal maybe yeah. Braxton bed

513
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 2: Braxton Burrios so so, but he was bigger.

514
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 1: Uh Wellmadi A Zekias, he was a falcon, right, he

515
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: was a falcon at one point.

516
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think you could do better.

517
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, Trenton Irwin, I think you do better. I think

518
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 1: you can do better at Brandon Powell, Kendrick Bourne.

519
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 2: I've always kind of like Kendrick Bourne as like a

520
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 2: fourth receiver. But yeah, DeMarcus Robinson, I know he had

521
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 2: off the field red flags coming out of Florida and

522
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 2: that was a long time ago, A long time ago.

523
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 2: What makes plays? Though, he does make plays, and he's

524
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 2: got some physicality to him. He could be a contested

525
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,640
Speaker 2: catch guy. I always hate bashing the kid. I don't

526
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 2: know what. What was the flag? Or maybe he's growing up.

527
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 2: He might be totally fine. I have no clue. But

528
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 2: that's not bad Juwan Jennings. It's so bad either. Yeah,

529
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 2: he's still twenty six. Yeah. Uh, kind of like that.

530
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 2: Darryl Hodge. Okay, he was with the Falcons last year. Yeah, yeah,

531
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 2: my man, Greg Dortch. He's a little.

532
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: Trent Sherfield. No, here's another one. We talked a little

533
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: bit about him earlier in the week.

534
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 2: Mac Collins. He was a Falcon. He was a Falcon.

535
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 2: They signed him in free agency last year. I assume

536
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 2: he played special teams for him because he used to be.

537
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 2: He's a special team that's all he did. Ye or Yeah,

538
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 2: he's a lot like Boykin. Yeah, better receive, except he's

539
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 2: a better receiver. Yeah, I mean side note, this is

540
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 2: part of the reason why they didn't play eleven personnel.

541
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 2: They didn't have anything. He was their number two receiver.

542
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 2: I mean, if him and Boykin are similar and Boykin's

543
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 2: your five and he's your two. You're not gonna play much.

544
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: Less, right, Yeah, you know, but Hollins his calculated market

545
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 1: value is one point four million.

546
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 2: Okay, And so I mean they've done this before. I mean,

547
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 2: if you sign a guy like that, he may not

548
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 2: even make the team or him and Boykin one yeah,

549
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 2: one bone, two dogs or whatever. You know. So I

550
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 2: don't hate that. He will block, he will throw his

551
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 2: weight around.

552
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: He's big, Tim Jones, no alex Air Dirks, and he's old.

553
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: Jalen Rager, no Jalen Giton, no Scottie Miller.

554
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 2: Yeah he's okay, okay, Yeah, maybe the late in another

555
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 2: former Falcon is he yeah? Uh, Devin Tompkins, Ques Watkins,

556
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 2: he's fast. Yeah, Paris Campbell. I used to be all

557
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 2: in on him. Yeah, it's it's just as materialized. Jamal

558
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 2: agnew returner, gadgety guy to austin Ish Chase Claypool, No

559
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 2: Equanamias Saint Brown. He ain't his brother, but he's not bad.

560
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 2: He's not bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's also physical and tough. Yeah.

561
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 2: I wonder if Claypool's market will be It's like I'll

562
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 2: bet if there's not much there. I bet it's nothing.

563
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 2: Let's see who else jumps out here. A bunch of

564
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 2: guys that really there was five or six names that

565
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 2: I think would be good, not great, I.

566
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: Mean, but you know, we have to look at this

567
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: through the eyes of who you're trying to replace. Now,

568
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: Miles Boykin didn't do much as a receiver last year,

569
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: but he blocks and was one of the best special

570
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: teams gunners in the league, right right, So anybody that

571
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: you bring in to replace him has to at least

572
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: it has to at least be equal to him as

573
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: a special teams player, and you hope to overshoot that

574
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: as a receiver.

575
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 2: And well, most of those names that we kind of

576
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 2: put a stamp approval on aren't half the special team player.

577
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 2: You'd have to find a core special team or from

578
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 2: a linebacker, corner, yeah, yeah, safety, whatever, but most are

579
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 2: better receivers. Yeah, So, I mean, I was thinking replacing

580
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: Robinson more so than replacing Well, there's that too. That's

581
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 2: that's what you have to look at here. Now, A Westbrook,

582
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 2: A Kine would probably give you Robinson production. Yeah, a

583
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 2: couple of dudes. He might have been my favorite name

584
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 2: on there for what that.

585
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: Makes a ton of sense. Yeah, when I saw that

586
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: name on and I'm like, oh that, yeah, you could

587
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: make that. I mean, I think he was maybe a

588
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: little underutilized in Tennessee just because they didn't throw.

589
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 2: The ball that much. So hypothetically, you sign him sort

590
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 2: of early in free agency, the first week or whatever,

591
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 2: the first wave or second wave. No imagine people are

592
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 2: gonna be knocking down his door. I don't think he's

593
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 2: gonna have one hundred offers at midnight the first night

594
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 2: or everything. So you get him at a maybe a

595
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 2: little more than they even add a two year deal,

596
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 2: you still kind of have a spot with boy can

597
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 2: you can still be in touch. And I could even

598
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 2: go up until the draft. I mean, and even Westbrook

599
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 2: a Keene if the draft falls that you just can't

600
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 2: believe that this receiver is there and a receiver deep

601
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 2: draft he might be your four or Austin might be

602
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 2: your five, or you know what I mean, like a

603
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 2: wide receiver injury wouldn't kill you to Johnson or Pickens,

604
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 2: you know. So he's kind of the perfect guy to

605
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 2: kind of do all the above. I don't know if

606
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 2: he's a special team or I think he is, but

607
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 2: I'm sure he's not as good as baking, but yeah,

608
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 2: I mean I can gonna watch a special teams date.

609
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 2: I can always look here. But he's intriguing. Seems like

610
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 2: it'd be a reasonable bargain.

611
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you're not going to break the bank

612
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: to do this, but you need somebody to fill that.

613
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: I mean, even if you resign wake and you're not

614
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: going to break the bank, he's gonna get it even cheaper.

615
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, or even mac hollins would fit that mold, you know,

616
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 2: like he doesn't. It's not a liability when you put

617
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: them out on offense Hallands. Yeah, Keene is probably better

618
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 2: than Robinson was last year. Let's see here, you looking Westboro.

619
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: I'm looking up to see how many if they list

620
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: on here, how many snaps he played?

621
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 2: In terms of I know they do approachable. I don't

622
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 2: know where to find it. Go to the Titans team

623
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 2: Premium stats, okay, and then it'll say by team, okay,

624
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 2: and get the Titans you're teaching you're teaching me something, okay,

625
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 2: that's right, all my snapcount stuff from Tennessee. And then

626
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 2: top right, I could have just looked at Pro Football Reference.

627
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 2: They probably could would have been quicker. People are getting

628
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 2: on too to oorial here. How do you go over

629
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 2: to right? There's you go offense or in the top

630
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 2: right corner you can go offense, defense or special teams.

631
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 2: Didn't take me over here? You're so close where this is?

632
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: This is bad radio. Keep talking about something else. Okay,

633
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 2: Westbrook and Key is a swell fellow from Indiana. Yea

634
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 2: with to Indiana. That's true. But no, the knowledge of

635
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 2: knowing him, I do think has value.

636
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: I think there's definitely something again to be able for

637
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: somebody to be able to teach the uh.

638
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 2: I mean, Smith hasn't worked with him for three years,

639
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 2: but he's still called Rabel and be like how's he been?

640
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 2: You know, and you're still going to know people that's

641
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 2: been working with him. I guess it's not even that

642
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 2: he played ninety six snaps of special team especially Yeah, yeah, okay,

643
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 2: so he probably runs down on punts and kickoffs and

644
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 2: does that kind of seah, it's probably done more of

645
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 2: it lear in his career, I think probably. Yeah. I mean,

646
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 2: the other thing I was gonna say about him is

647
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 2: he wasn't a first round pick. He wasn't a second

648
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 2: round pick by NFL Football standards for a twenty six

649
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 2: year old or whatever he is. He doesn't have that

650
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 2: much money in the bank, right, and he's gonna be

651
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 2: happy with a nice signing, that decent signing bonus, which

652
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 2: is the biggest check he's ever got.

653
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, him his rookie year, he played one hundred

654
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: and fifty seven special team snaps. Probably how he made

655
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: a team twenty twenty one was one seventy two.

656
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 2: So he's got Yeah, he's got background there. He's probably

657
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 2: not as good as a boy can just betting, because boykn'

658
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 2: is exceptional at it. But he's probably my favorite name

659
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 2: we mentioned.

660
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that would be one to keep an eye

661
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: on when the free agency starts.

662
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you could use a second round pick on

663
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 2: the receiver. Still, you can still do that. Yeah, and

664
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 2: he'll be fine.

665
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: And you know, I know people are looking, well, i'd

666
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: like to give Calvin Austin a chance.

667
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 2: We haven't talked about it, and I understand that. Yeah.

668
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 2: At the same time, he going into year three mm hm, Like,

669
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 2: I mean, he's be in the mix. He'll be in

670
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 2: the mix. And you can keep six keep sick, especially

671
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 2: if one or two or special team, right, if a

672
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 2: Keen and Boykan can both play teams for they kept.

673
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: They kept four tight ends this year. They're gonna keep

674
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: four tight ends again next year?

675
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,760
Speaker 2: Probably not, but they will play more twelve and thirteen

676
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 2: than they used to. So I might have a fullback spot.

677
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 2: Maybe you don't keep as many offensive linemen. May I

678
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 2: think they kept ten last year, you could keep nine. Yeah,

679
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 2: maybe Austin doesn't make team. Maybe Austin does.

680
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's long gonnaet hurting camp guaranteeing him a roster spot. No,

681
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: he's this former fourth round pick that missed his entire

682
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: rookie year.

683
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's not put up or shut up

684
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 2: time for him. I mean I don't think he's at

685
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 2: this crossroads where his career is in jeopardy. But you know,

686
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 2: you have to keep improving. Yeah, happen pretty quick in

687
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 2: this league. Yah. If you don't, you don't keep improving,

688
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 2: you're getting worse. And well he's not getting bigger. That's

689
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 2: true too.

690
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 1: And if you're going to be more of a run

691
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: style offense here, I don't know if he fits.

692
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 2: Maybe you trade him for a six round pick late

693
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 2: in camp, like a Kevin Dotson type move. I mean

694
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 2: those things happen the too.

695
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: Absolutely, let's get through a break. He is the Matt Williamson.

696
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,279
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Speaker 2: I should say, yeah, you know, we got there. They

710
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 2: got them, They got them all.

711
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: What they won't have is any additions this year that

712
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: we know of, because well now they could be one.

713
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 2: Uh.

714
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: They'll have the announcement coming on Saturday of who's in

715
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: the the latest Hall of Fame class.

716
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 2: Uh.

717
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: Former Steelers head coach Buddy Parker as.

718
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 2: The longtime coach.

719
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: I know he won three three championships with the Detroit

720
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: Lions before coming over and coaching the Steelers and leading

721
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 1: leading them to the playoffs in the early sixties.

722
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 2: Uh so he's on the Uh yeah, I think so,

723
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 2: Yeah man, Bobby Lane and yeah.

724
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the other finalists this year, and looking at

725
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: this group here, I'm looking at the Hall of Fame

726
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: monitor on Pro Football Reference.

727
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a great crop. It really isn't.

728
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: And then when you start looking even further into it here,

729
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure how heines Word and James Harrison didn't.

730
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 2: Make the cut cut over.

731
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: Some of these other guys that are on there. Just

732
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: looking at the Hall of Fame monitor, because in the

733
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame monitor here he got Eric Allen as a.

734
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 2: Finalist this year. That makes no sense. Sixty one point

735
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 2: four to five Hall of Fame Monitor? Is it out

736
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 2: of one hundred? I forget how they no it? Can

737
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 2: you just keep get points? So Brady's like in a thousand, yeah.

738
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: Right, whereas Ward was a seventy five point one seven,

739
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: Harrison was a seventy five point four three.

740
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 2: Okay, so they're like right next to each other. But Allen,

741
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 2: to me, has no chance Jared Allen is a seventy

742
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 2: two point one five, right, Okay, I think he's got

743
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 2: an outside chance. And Harrison both have a better Hall

744
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 2: of Fame monitor. Yes they do.

745
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,280
Speaker 1: Willie Anderson sixty one point three.

746
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: He doesn't pass the sniff test for me.

747
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now there's gonna be a push maybe a little

748
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: bit of a push here for jarr Evans.

749
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 2: He's in ninety six point seventy five, Okay, better than

750
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 2: most people around here probably realize. Yeah, he was really.

751
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: Good, six time pro bowler, was a four time, four

752
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: time first two bar pro.

753
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would have problem if he got in.

754
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 2: There's other names I think are Nose Dwight. Freenie's eighty

755
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 2: seven point five to five.

756
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: I'm putting freeniean over Jared Allen. Antonio Gates is a

757
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 1: slam dunk here, Yeah, first time up. Yeah, Rodney Flippin' Harrison.

758
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don somebody safety get why because he's on TV.

759
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's rings his Hall of Fame monitor forty eight

760
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 1: point two eight.

761
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 2: Really forty eight point two eight, So that means he

762
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 2: didn't do to many Pro Bowls. You know, he went

763
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 2: He went to two Pro Bowls, two Pro Bowls is

764
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 2: not that big of an accomplish.

765
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: Right, was twice first team All Pro. Okay, like Mega,

766
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick is already at He's got a.

767
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 2: Better resume than him. Yeah, except for rings.

768
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Devin Hester, that's fifty one point four to oh

769
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: and he went.

770
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 2: He was three time first team All Pro and went

771
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 2: to four Pro Bowls. But my fear is Special Team

772
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 2: this year. He's a special teamer. He would not get

773
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 2: my vote. Okay, he's the scariest punt returner ever. Kick

774
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 2: it out of bounds. Yeah, you don't have to kick

775
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 2: the ball to him, right, if he doesn't change it,

776
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 2: you don't have to let him change the game. As

777
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 2: scary as he was. Yeah, he's great when the balls ads.

778
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 2: But no one will fight that he scored. I'm just

779
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 2: looking here. They have the overall numbers while you are.

780
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 2: This class is so weak. I think he might get in.

781
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: He had I think thirty seven career touchdowns, that's what

782
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: he had. Yeah, you're gonna tell me that a guy

783
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: who barely had thirty six career rushing attempts and caught twenty.

784
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 2: No, he caught two hundred and.

785
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,959
Speaker 1: Fifty five career passes and scored thirty seven touchdowns in his.

786
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 2: Career, most of which are returns, which is impressive. Maybe

787
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 2: not half. Oh wow, he had seventeen.

788
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: He had one rushing touchdowns, sixteen receiving touchdowns.

789
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 2: I mean this sounds awful, but he was so bad

790
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 2: of a eleven on eleven regular football, non special teamer.

791
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 2: Even the you didn't know if he was a corner

792
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 2: or wide receiver. Everybody trying to do any of that stuff.

793
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 2: I mean, he couldn't regularly be on the field on

794
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 2: offense or defense. And everyone recognized the men's talent, but

795
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 2: he couldn't run routes. Not Hall of Fame. It's not

796
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. No, I don't think so, but I

797
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 2: think he might get in ridiculous. It'll be awful. Devin

798
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 2: Hester Tory Holt one eight point two two. That's okay.

799
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: Andre Johnson actually has a lower I know low. His

800
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: is lower than Tory Holts ninety four point nine one.

801
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 2: I think he's the best receiver on this list, but

802
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 2: he doesn't score touchdowns. Julius Peppers won twenty point seven

803
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 2: to five. He's gonna go. Yeah. I think him and

804
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 2: Gates are the or the two dollars. Yeah. Fred Taylor

805
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 2: fifty four point four to zero. Good, not great.

806
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not a Hall of Famer man one only

807
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: with one Pro Bowl, no first team one Pro Bowl

808
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: for Fred Taylor. Wow, how many years do you play?

809
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: He was a starter for nine years?

810
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean good, not great. That's not a Hall

811
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 2: of Fame running back to me. Yeah, Reggie Wayne won

812
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 2: ten point one four. Uh. Patrick Willis, I think he

813
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 2: should go. He has the third highest scorer of any guy,

814
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 2: any player Gates and Peppers. Yeah, one eleven point one.

815
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 2: He just doesn't have longevity. That's the only thing he's missing.

816
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 2: He was a starter for seven seasons. He might be

817
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 2: the best football player on that one.

818
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: He was a Pro Bowler all seven seasons. He was

819
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: a first team All Pro five times, five times in

820
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: seven years.

821
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. See, I think we were just talking about.

822
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: How you gotta tell me Devin Hester is going to

823
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: get in and Patrick Willis this isn't his first Rodeo

824
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: even knows he hasn't even made the cut in some

825
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: previous years.

826
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 2: I know that's crazy. I think he's one of the

827
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 2: best linebackers we've seen the last twenty years. Can't Yeah,

828
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 2: I can't make it. The terms of football player. Hopefully

829
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 2: the committee says, Okay, this class isn't phenomenal, We're not

830
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 2: going to throw hester and we're gonna put Willison. Yeah,

831
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 2: maybe both get it. That makes more sense than if

832
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 2: you had to vote for five, who would you put in?

833
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 2: And we also have Darren Woodson, who thought Wilson sixty

834
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 2: six point three to three. I don't think any of

835
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 2: the safeties go. That's some of the safety should even

836
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 2: be this far. I guess if I had to vote

837
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 2: for five bigates, it would be Peppers. That's two. Willis

838
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 2: would be my third pick.

839
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:02,720
Speaker 1: Willis would be third. I guess Ji Evans yeah, would

840
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: make it.

841
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 2: I'm big on Andre Johnson, but his resume is as

842
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 2: good as his tape. And Freenie. I could live with

843
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 2: Freenie going.

844
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: But Jared Allen had one hundred and thirty six career SAX.

845
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: Freenie had one hundred and twenty five point five Like

846
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: FRENI was better. Yeah, they both pay on comparison to Peppers,

847
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: who had one hundred and fifty nine and a half.

848
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 2: I guess I would look at it and say, Holt

849
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 2: got in. I'd understand is this a year that maybe

850
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 2: only four go because you don't have to put five in.

851
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 2: But they always always all always due, they will. I

852
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 2: would probably go Andre Johnson. I think he was had

853
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 2: better tape. I would rather line up as a corner

854
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 2: and play against Holt or Wayne than Andre Jons.

855
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: Those teams just threw the I actually had a conversation

856
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: with a Pro Football Hall of Fame voter at the

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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, and he was talking about everybody keeps saying

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Speaker 1: we need to put all these wide receivers in, and

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Speaker 1: they look at the numbers.

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Speaker 2: He says, we got these get there's a log jam there.

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Speaker 1: We can't just put them in just because he said

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Speaker 1: and again and this is.

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Speaker 2: Him talking, this is me.

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Speaker 1: He said, we can't even get Hines Ward onto the ballot.

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Speaker 1: And he was a better receiver, he was a better

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Speaker 1: football player player then these guys who all they did

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Speaker 1: was go out and catch a bunch of slants and fall.

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Speaker 2: Down on the slide and when they're when they're losing,

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Speaker 2: like Holton Wayne, to me, like there's an argument Holt

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Speaker 2: maybe is better than Bruce, there's no argument that Wayne's

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Speaker 2: better than Harrison. They both played with Hall of Fame

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Speaker 2: quarterbacks in a dome with the Hall of Fame receiver

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Speaker 2: on the other side, hall of Fame receiver on the

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Speaker 2: other side. Like, that's not Swann and Stalworth in the

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Speaker 2: playoffs in the elements, you know, I mean it's I

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Speaker 2: don't think they were asked to do as this guy said.

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Speaker 1: Those guys are all sitting at home while heines Ward's

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Speaker 1: going winning Super Bowls and stuff.

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Speaker 2: Like doing the dirty work and playing the Ravens in December,

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Speaker 2: you know, not in a dome and you know, sliding

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Speaker 2: after the catch. And Yeah, I have a problem with

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Speaker 2: those two, especially Wayne.

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Speaker 1: And they'll you know, they're going to continue to be

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Speaker 1: posted up and Ward can't even Ward can't even make

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Speaker 1: the final fifteen.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Wayne was ever a top five receiver. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: in the league.

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Speaker 1: The senior ballot this year is Randy Gratishar, Steve McMichael,

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Speaker 1: Art Powell.

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Speaker 2: I don't know much about Art Powell. What did he do? Uh?

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Speaker 1: He was a split end four hundred and seventy nine

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Speaker 1: career catches, eight thousand yards, eighty one touchdowns.

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Speaker 2: Wow, but I mean this is a long time ago, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're looking at uh, let's see your fifties played

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Speaker 1: one hundred and seventeen career games to scored eighty one touchdowns.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty good. That's wrong. He played from nineteen fifty

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Speaker 2: nine to nineteen sixty eight. Okay, the other two and

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Speaker 2: throw the ball that often back. These numbers are pretty good. Actually, yeah,

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Speaker 2: say the other two to me aren't don't have super

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Speaker 2: strong cases. So maybe you put mister Powell in. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Russian Buddy Parker.

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Speaker 1: The guys who didn't make the cut, Vicky Barber and

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Speaker 1: Kwambolden London, Fletcher Eddie, George James Harrison, Robert Mathis, Steve

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Speaker 1: Smith Senior, Hines Ward, Ricky Waters, Vince will Fork.

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Speaker 2: They were the will Fork I would consider over all

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Speaker 2: those safeties. And Eric Allen, well, he has no numbers.

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Speaker 2: Will Fork couldn't make the cut either. He got really

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Speaker 2: good at what he did. Yeah, yeah, yikes. A couple

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Speaker 2: of guys I could make it.

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Speaker 1: I can make a better argument for some of the

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Speaker 1: guys who were on that list too, And some of

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Speaker 1: the guys were on who actually made the cut.

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Speaker 2: I can almost make a better argument for some guys

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Speaker 2: on those lists than whoever we decided our fifth guy was.

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Speaker 2: It was actually getting in right list, certainly better than

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Speaker 2: Devin Hester, Eric Allen. All those safeties are just good players,

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Speaker 2: not great. I mean you gotta be Paula malho Auld

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Speaker 2: reed to me to be a safety, that's no brainer. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean.

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Speaker 1: Ricky Waters had almost fifteen thousand career yards. He was

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Speaker 1: also ninety one touchdowns.

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Speaker 2: He caught the ball when people when backs didn't catch

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Speaker 2: the ball. He caught the ball before.

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Speaker 1: Four hundred and sixty seven career catches. Yeah, ends a

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Speaker 1: ten thousand yard rusher.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was great. Yeah, he was great. I mean

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Speaker 2: he's Ron Betts were in the same backfield, Dame. How

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Speaker 2: about that? Like him and like Marshall fall to me,

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Speaker 2: are so ahead of their time. They're not super old,

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Speaker 2: but they're running receiver routes. And you know, yeah, Roger

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Speaker 2: Craig's another one that's much older than those guys that

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Speaker 2: caught a lot of passes before backs did that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and people look at like, oh, Tiki Barber, Ricky

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Speaker 1: Waters is better than Tiki Barber.

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Speaker 2: I think any George is better than Tiki Barbar. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think so too. Yeah. I don't think that he'll

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Speaker 2: ever go, but I think he's better than Tiki Barber. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's going to do it for today's show. Matt, all right,

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Speaker 2: hopefully everybody gets to hear this one, and yeah, that'd

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Speaker 2: be great. We always like when that happens.

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Speaker 1: We will be back again tomorrow, and of course we'll

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Speaker 1: be back Friday. Then starting next week will go Monday, Wednesday, Friday.

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Speaker 1: But for my partner Matt Williamson, for Justin Miller here

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Speaker 1: on site keeping us on the air, I'm Dale Lolly.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate you listening to this edition of the Drive

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Speaker 1: on Steelers Nation Radio.