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Speaker 3: Welcome to Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Rona. Today we're going
Speaker 3: to be speaking about the latest hearings in Congress on
Speaker 3: the UAP topic. To start off the first half of
Speaker 3: the show, we have the person who knows more about
Speaker 3: this than anyone. That is, of course, the great Stephen Bassett.
Speaker 3: Steve's the executive director of Paradigm Research Group, which was
Speaker 3: founded in nineteen ninety six to end the government imposed
Speaker 3: embargo on truth behind the extraterrestrial phenomenon. Well, Steve, did
Speaker 3: we move an inch closer to lifting the truth embargo
Speaker 3: through these recent hearings in Congress?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 5: Yeah, the process continues. It's irreversible. We're headed for disclosure,
Speaker 5: and the recent events have been very constructive. We had
Speaker 5: a hearing in the House, the second one the last
Speaker 5: one was fourteen months ago, also the same subcommittee, and
Speaker 5: then six days later we had a briefing in the Senate.
Speaker 5: Both were filmed. Both are out there right now, probably
Speaker 5: going to get seen by millions of people. There were
Speaker 5: multiple venues. They are live streaming it. It was different
Speaker 5: than the Grush hearing that everybody remembers. It was four
Speaker 5: people of substance, covering a broad range of areas, reinforcing
Speaker 5: each other's testimony. It didn't have that sex appeal maybe
Speaker 5: of the Grush presentation, but it was powerful for the
Speaker 5: right people politicians, academics, producers, editors and so forth. You
Speaker 5: had the Alizondo starting off right away saying we're not
Speaker 5: alone bingo, and then you had Schellenberger who was on
Speaker 5: top of a breaking case involving the first time a
Speaker 5: USAP has been named, which is causing a lot of
Speaker 5: heartburn over the pengon.
Speaker 4: Then you have the Immaculate constellationm.
Speaker 5: Macculate constellation and the names they come up with they're.
Speaker 4: Very cool, that's actually pretty cool.
Speaker 5: Then you've got Mike Gold who has had a very
Speaker 5: substantial career including dealing space issues and NASA. And then
Speaker 5: a very important addition a rear Emerald Galadet, who's has
Speaker 5: science background and so forth able to talk about a
Speaker 5: range of things including USO. I mean, this is a
Speaker 5: very substantial panel. Their testimony reinforcing each other. As opposed
Speaker 5: to Grust, which was basically a one man hearing. He
Speaker 5: had an extraordinary thing to say. It paid a lot
Speaker 5: of attention and excitement.
Speaker 4: Right, But his was second hand. These guys are first hand.
Speaker 5: That's well, their first hand to their careers.
Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, you didn't have.
Speaker 3: The salacious stuff that people wanted. I've heard a lot
Speaker 3: of people say, well, it wasn't really anything. What are
Speaker 3: your thoughts on that?
Speaker 5: It depends what you mean by anything.
Speaker 4: Well, they wanted to say, here's the body, here's the yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, Nancy May said that. Nancy May said, people
Speaker 5: kept wanting her to wheel an ET out in a gurney.
Speaker 5: Right now, you can't do that. What do people understand
Speaker 5: is that these hearings are not about revealing all the stuff. No,
Speaker 5: these hearings are not about that. These hearings are about
Speaker 5: a process. The government already knows what the ets are.
Speaker 5: They already have their tech, they've been tracking them forever,
Speaker 5: they've had live ets. They know all this stuff. But
Speaker 5: that's not what these hearings are about. Creating those acts
Speaker 5: now we have we had four of them now are
Speaker 5: about setting up for the disclosure that's coming when we
Speaker 5: do get the information, not getting the information to us.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 5: I understand people would like that, well, these acts are passed,
Speaker 5: whereas the info, we're not there yet. But the acts
Speaker 5: and the legislation as well as ERRO needed to be
Speaker 5: in place so when the president does disclose immediately on
Speaker 5: day one, we are able to properly move forward. Those
Speaker 5: that don't get that are obviously confused and or irritated.
Speaker 5: Right they want to.
Speaker 4: Smoking guns the community.
Speaker 3: You can imagine how frustrated they are when they have
Speaker 3: this and then you hear Lou continually say well, I'll
Speaker 3: say I'll tell you in a closed door session, closed
Speaker 3: door session.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that is part of the deal. In other words,
Speaker 5: if you want witnesses to come forward with important information
Speaker 5: and you expect them to come forward to start breaking
Speaker 5: NDAs and things, you're not living in the real world.
Speaker 5: What's important is that for most of the last seventy
Speaker 5: years there was only two hearings sixty six or sixty eight.
Speaker 5: Ultimately it was about ending the engagement of the issue,
Speaker 5: not starting it. It took fifty five years to get
Speaker 5: new hearings, and so now we've got people coming forward
Speaker 5: with careers and so forth. They are going to follow
Speaker 5: their NDAs, They're going to say what they can say.
Speaker 5: They're not going to get themselves into trouble or cause harm.
Speaker 5: What is remarkable, even with our MDAs and there are classifications,
Speaker 5: there is so much coming out. And what does that mean.
Speaker 5: It means that ultimately the Department Defense is committed to
Speaker 5: ending the truth in Bargo. They have their timeframe and
Speaker 5: we have ours, and they are pretty much forced to
Speaker 5: allow this to go forward because they simply have increasingly
Speaker 5: less ground to stand on. And so we're getting what
Speaker 5: we need. Right now, there's more hearings coming, there's more
Speaker 5: coverage coming in the media, and so.
Speaker 3: I found that very exciting that Mace said she definitely
Speaker 3: wants to have more hearings.
Speaker 4: That's a big deal.
Speaker 5: Most people now, throughout government, throughout the military, and everything else,
Speaker 5: primarily they're on board with the fact that, yeah, we're
Speaker 5: going to end the truth in Barbo, but the timing
Speaker 5: varies dramatically, and what gets said leading up to it
Speaker 5: may vary, but the endgame is always the same. Well,
Speaker 5: I appreciate that people have different time frames, history does not.
Speaker 5: And we are really on the cusp of something really
Speaker 5: awful happening. I mean, we really are in deep trouble
Speaker 5: right now. Not that we haven't always been, but it's
Speaker 5: exceptionally bad now. We have all these terrible things happening.
Speaker 5: Let's get them all resolved, right, Let's solve the nuclear issue,
Speaker 5: let's solve the China issue, whatever, all of this stuff,
Speaker 5: all the terrors, and then when things are really comfortable,
Speaker 5: let's disclose. Uhh, not going to happen. We have got
Speaker 5: to get disclosure now because that may be the ticket
Speaker 5: to be able to deal with these other issues as
Speaker 5: we enter an entire new phase of human history. Disclosure
Speaker 5: cannot be delayed. All right, Oh well, let's have that
Speaker 5: nuclear war first that we know we're going to have,
Speaker 5: and then afterwards, you know, in the rubble, let's get
Speaker 5: a hearing together, and let's know there is an urgency here.
Speaker 5: And so those that have a long time frame they
Speaker 5: need to back off, and those that are ready to
Speaker 5: get this done need to step forward. And that is
Speaker 5: what the citizen activism is about. I am completely devoted
Speaker 5: to getting this truth in Bargo now ended as soon
Speaker 5: as possible, making the case for it, and others are too,
Speaker 5: New organizations are forming and so forth. But again it's
Speaker 5: still not clear who's going to win this race. The
Speaker 5: race I've talked about the doomsday clock, the paradigm clock,
Speaker 5: midnight doomsday clock, nuclear war, midnight paradigm clock. Disclosure is
Speaker 5: still not clear which clock strikes midnight first, but we
Speaker 5: know at least I know which one that has to be.
Speaker 4: So something like this coming out would maybe even prevent
Speaker 4: a nuclear war.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, it's the only thing I think that has a chance.
Speaker 5: What is somebody suggesting right now or even point to
Speaker 5: that shows promise from solving the Middle East tensions or
Speaker 5: Middle East issues which go back two thousand years, the
Speaker 5: situation Ukraine and the situation in China regarding Taiwan, as
Speaker 5: well as terrorism and so forth. In general, what's the place?
Speaker 5: Do you see one? There isn't one. Diplomats have thrown
Speaker 5: up their hands. The UN is virtually nothing. There's political
Speaker 5: chaos in the United States. We don't know what to
Speaker 5: go forward or backward. We're like a clown car heading
Speaker 5: for the cliff.
Speaker 3: I just feel like people are going to keep burying this.
Speaker 3: I just I think we're just kicking the can here.
Speaker 4: Steve, I don't.
Speaker 5: See for the first time the words we are not alone.
Speaker 5: We're spoken under Earth by Lewis Alissando. We are not alone.
Speaker 5: We have non human tech in bodies. The government has
Speaker 5: been keeping it promise. That's illegal. That's what Lou said.
Speaker 5: People say, well, I already knew that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 3: People in the community say, I already knew that. People
Speaker 3: outside the community said, who's this guy and why.
Speaker 5: Are exactly Well, now they know who he is and
Speaker 5: he did it under oath. If you don't know the
Speaker 5: history and you don't look at looking at it the
Speaker 5: bigger picture, it's difficult to appreciate how strong this is.
Speaker 5: Right now we get more and more people coming on board.
Speaker 5: There's plenty of witnesses that are showing up in the background.
Speaker 5: You know they'd love to have as many as possible.
Speaker 5: We do know that the USAP people are not still
Speaker 5: comfortable enough with the witness protection level. There is protection
Speaker 5: whistleblower and witness, but they're not I get it. If
Speaker 5: you're a you sapper, you've been underground working on at
Speaker 5: stuff for the last twenty five years. You want the
Speaker 5: strongest protection as possible, which is why Birchett just introduced
Speaker 5: some witness protection legislation. You've got Danny Shane writing some
Speaker 5: high level witness presentation at some point witness protection which
Speaker 5: is going to obviously deliver it and may be considered
Speaker 5: by the Senate. I am working to get the nuclear
Speaker 5: weapons shut down witnesses who have been trying to get
Speaker 5: in front of a hearing since nineteen six ninety four
Speaker 5: when Bob Sallas first came out, and let's just say
Speaker 5: I'm having some progress now. All of these men and
Speaker 5: there are still at least eight of the group that
Speaker 5: Bob's working with still alive. First hand witnesses SACK based
Speaker 5: officers prepared to sit down in front of a congressional
Speaker 5: committee under oath and talk about their first hand experience
Speaker 5: when AUAP hovered over the ICBM flights and shut them
Speaker 5: all down. This testimony is the most important of all
Speaker 5: that I am aware of, much even more important than grush.
Speaker 5: These men are prepared to, under oath describe how those
Speaker 5: missiles were shut down. After the break, I'll tell you
Speaker 5: why these witnesses have yet to have a chance to
Speaker 5: speak in front of Congress.
Speaker 4: I'm afraid people are trying to let them age out.
Speaker 4: Let's hope not.
Speaker 3: When we come back, we're going to talk to you
Speaker 3: more about that, more about the congressional hearings and what
Speaker 3: happened with Arrow and the Senate. You're listening to Beyond
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Speaker 3: We're talking to Steve Bassett. Steve, you're talking about these
Speaker 3: guys getting to testify about their firsthand experience with UFOs
Speaker 3: turning off nuclear weapons.
Speaker 5: Sattles came forward nineteen ninety four to finally talk publicly
Speaker 5: about the fact that he was present when the missiles
Speaker 5: were shut down at Malstrom. The reason he did it
Speaker 5: was that he had sat on that for twenty seven years,
Speaker 5: as all the others did as well. They were obviously
Speaker 5: told don't talk about this. In fact, right after the events,
Speaker 5: what the Air Force did was immediately reassign all those
Speaker 5: security guys to the four points of the planet so
Speaker 5: they couldn't contact each other. If there were further events,
Speaker 5: how many, we don't know, there's more than one. At
Speaker 5: some point the Air Force was figuring out, these guys
Speaker 5: up here are playing with our nuclear weaponsites, and so
Speaker 5: when something would happen, they would swoop in really lock
Speaker 5: it down, and nobody knew. We know what's happened. A
Speaker 5: number of times here, a number of times in the
Speaker 5: Soviet Union. Bob came forward because he very cleverly put
Speaker 5: in an foia to the Air Force about information during
Speaker 5: that period, right without ever saying ufoor uap, and so
Speaker 5: he didn't raise a red flag, and so he got
Speaker 5: something back that clearly was kind of alluding to some
Speaker 5: things happening at Malstrom. So he felt he was now
Speaker 5: free under his NDA. He really was, but he came
Speaker 5: out and then others joined him. And here is what
Speaker 5: the DoD was facing. These witnesses now that are absolutely
Speaker 5: credible talking about our weapons being turned off with a
Speaker 5: EAP president of a hovering above the base. What do
Speaker 5: you do. You can kill them all with some countries,
Speaker 5: that's exactly what would happen. Or you can disgrace them,
Speaker 5: come up with a bunch of stuff and just ruin
Speaker 5: their reputation so nobody believes them. Or you can ghost them.
Speaker 5: That's the only three options they had. And they decided
Speaker 5: to ghost them, meaning that don't talk, don't respond, And
Speaker 5: by ghosting them, the media went along with that. Even
Speaker 5: though there's been some articles and I will be putting
Speaker 5: those out soon and sending them to Congress, they didn't
Speaker 5: go anywhere, and so they just don't exist. If the
Speaker 5: journalists go along with that, then there's nowhere they can't
Speaker 5: get traction in Congress and has worked since nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 5: They have never had a chance to testify.
Speaker 4: To me from the outside, like they're just waiting these
Speaker 4: guys out.
Speaker 5: They think they well, yeah, they're waiting on absolutely and
Speaker 5: some have died already, they're in their eighties. Some of
Speaker 5: the security guys are a little bit younger, but they
Speaker 5: weren't officers, and this testimony could end the truth.
Speaker 4: Embarbo.
Speaker 5: I mean, if there's a major Senate hearing, which we
Speaker 5: have to have and these are part of their first
Speaker 5: tend witnesses, let me tell you that's just going to help,
Speaker 5: and sure this thing blows up. The closest they came
Speaker 5: to ever getting a chance to testify was that the
Speaker 5: citizen Hearing on Disclosure which I produced back twenty thirteen,
Speaker 5: where they were able to testify under a maco to
Speaker 5: a panel of former members of Congress and went very well.
Speaker 5: The record is out there, you can see it, but
Speaker 5: that's not the real thing. So right now the chances
Speaker 5: that they may be getting the chance to testify has
Speaker 5: improved dramatically. It is in play. And so that is
Speaker 5: an example of how the truth and Barber has been maintained,
Speaker 5: but also an example of the kinds of things that
Speaker 5: are coming. So for those that think, nah, they'll never
Speaker 5: give it up, wrong, they will. They have to.
Speaker 4: They have no choice.
Speaker 5: What we just experienced and I was able to attend,
Speaker 5: was the second House hearing. You got the five witnesses.
Speaker 5: The energy was high, the room was packed. It was
Speaker 5: a live film by many multiple energy and now recorded millions.
Speaker 4: We'll watch it.
Speaker 5: But Jillibrand also announced about the same time that this
Speaker 5: hearing was announced that she wants to hold a briefing
Speaker 5: over on the Senate side underneath the Senate Armed Services Committee.
Speaker 5: Why is that important. It's not hearing, it's a briefing
Speaker 5: because it was a briefing from the new Arrow director, Kazlowski.
Speaker 5: Because Arrow just went through a very difficult time. The director,
Speaker 5: Sean Kirkpatrick, was in an impossible situation, particularly after Grush
Speaker 5: came forward. He was very unhappy because there's nothing he
Speaker 5: could do. Grush was not supposed to happen, and so
Speaker 5: he's kind of between a rock and a hard place.
Speaker 5: And he said I'm loud to hear, and he resigned,
Speaker 5: and I get it. I can understand what he would
Speaker 5: want out of this business, because I don't think he
Speaker 5: knew what he was getting into. But it got worse
Speaker 5: because when Schumer came forward and said, I'm resubmitting the
Speaker 5: UAP Disclosure Act again, only this time was his amendment.
Speaker 4: With the thief in it.
Speaker 5: In other words, the Department Defense knows they're playing a
Speaker 5: losing game, but they thought maybe they had more time.
Speaker 5: They may made a critical mistake and decided to throw
Speaker 5: a hail Mary pass like they did with the Condon
Speaker 5: report in sixty nine, sixty eight, sixty nine. So they
Speaker 5: complete quote the Arrow study report, this is the full
Speaker 5: study of what they've done to date, not just the
Speaker 5: one that was mandated for this year, and basically said
Speaker 5: there's nothing to this, we can find anything, blah blah
Speaker 5: blah blah, it's a total lie. But they needed somebody
Speaker 5: to sign off. Well, Kirkpatrick hadn't left yet, and so
Speaker 5: for whatever reason they were able to persuade the good
Speaker 5: doctor to sign that report. It then immediately blew up
Speaker 5: in their face. It had no chance at all. And
Speaker 5: so everything that's happened since Garcia, you know, submitted a
Speaker 5: bill in Congress. Of course, Birchant submitted a couple of bills,
Speaker 5: You've had action in the Senate. All of that is
Speaker 5: a statement from the Congress. We don't believe that report.
Speaker 5: And so Kirkpatrick left and basically the Arrow is getting
Speaker 5: seriously trolled on the internet. Well, so they got a
Speaker 5: new director.
Speaker 4: Don't you think, deservingly So?
Speaker 5: No, yeah, deserving absolutely, absolutely but Joe Brand created Arrow.
Speaker 5: It was her legislation that created it, and so she's
Speaker 5: very I think, concerned about that. And so she did
Speaker 5: the perfect thing. She invited the new director to come
Speaker 5: in to give her a private briefing and any public briefing.
Speaker 5: But the private briefing just wasn't in her office or
Speaker 5: over in a side room. It was in a skiff.
Speaker 5: That means that some hard questions were asked. Now I
Speaker 5: do not know what questions were asked, but she could
Speaker 5: have asked him anything. But then she does a public
Speaker 5: briefing and she asks him certain key questions. He gives
Speaker 5: an introductory statement. He played it down the middle. He
Speaker 5: talked about how there are many many sightings that have
Speaker 5: come in. Most have been resolved, there's some that haven't.
Speaker 5: But he gave he showed some examples on a slide
Speaker 5: about some that we know about that will resolved one questionable,
Speaker 5: but he did mention there's some others we can't resolve,
Speaker 5: and he described one and I can assure you they're
Speaker 5: not going to resolve that one, okay again, And so
Speaker 5: she's introducing him to the public and making a statement,
Speaker 5: we have a new director. I have confidence in him,
Speaker 5: he is point of this.
Speaker 3: Whole thing, you think, just to kind of get it
Speaker 3: out there to the public. Is that the endgame here?
Speaker 4: Today?
Speaker 5: One the House is continuing to move forward. May says
Speaker 5: she wants to have more hearings. The House is out
Speaker 5: in front of the political chess game on getting disclosure.
Speaker 5: The Senate is out in front of the legislation. So
Speaker 5: the two of them are working together moving forward. At
Speaker 5: some point the deal d is absolutely going to have
Speaker 5: to fully capitulate, hopefully with dignity. But that briefing was
Speaker 5: important because she needed to regain confidence and arrow introduce
Speaker 5: the new director and I assure you he's not going
Speaker 5: to be another doctor Sean Kirkpatrick. She says she wants
Speaker 5: to have another briefing like that later, maybe next year.
Speaker 5: That's fine, that's her timeframe. But again, there are other
Speaker 5: members that may take action. The number one I'm focused
Speaker 5: on is Mark Warner, the current chairman of the Intel.
Speaker 5: And so there's two ways this is going to go.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 5: I believe it's still possible to hold a major hearing
Speaker 5: in the Senate. Probably the Intel Committee could be Armed Services,
Speaker 5: but probably Intel blow the truth embargo up. Biden steps
Speaker 5: out afterwards right away confirms that in fact this is true.
Speaker 4: We're not alone.
Speaker 5: He's the disclosure president, and then retires to a comfortable life.
Speaker 4: Sounds awesome, it'll never happen.
Speaker 5: Then the new president steps in the truth and Barber
Speaker 5: is already over for a month. We're in the post
Speaker 5: disclosure role for a month.
Speaker 4: It's done.
Speaker 5: And now the new president, which has a pretty substantial
Speaker 5: menu of issues to deal with, doesn't have to deal
Speaker 5: with the disclosure process. That's over. He now can address
Speaker 5: and be the first president to address the post disclosure
Speaker 5: world as a head of state of the United States.
Speaker 5: That is the responsible way and it's a win win
Speaker 5: for everybody. If it doesn't happen in December, if the
Speaker 5: Senate doesn't act, then it's going to happen under the
Speaker 5: new president. I think it'll happen in the first sixty
Speaker 5: days and others before the end of March. This president
Speaker 5: elect has been asked about this issue as it happens
Speaker 5: more than any other president. He's spoken to it, not extensively,
Speaker 5: but casually. He's also actually stated I will get this
Speaker 5: stuff out. Take that for what it's worth. But nevertheless,
Speaker 5: it's been brought up. There are people surrounding him that
Speaker 5: are bringing this up. They are talking about it, which
Speaker 5: is like team him up for this. The key agenda
Speaker 5: of the new administration is to attack dismantle the deep state,
Speaker 5: which is another way of talking about the military intelligence
Speaker 5: complex and other entities. Well, there is nothing closer to
Speaker 5: the heart of the deep state than the truth embargo,
Speaker 5: and so consequently this fits into his agenda. Unlike any
Speaker 5: previous presidents, he'll do whatever the hell he wants. He
Speaker 5: is not someone that will talk to his advisors and
Speaker 5: they'll say, now, you shouldn't do that. He'll do it anyway.
Speaker 5: He'll just do it. The wise choice would be for
Speaker 5: the president rather to go to the new Republican chair
Speaker 5: of the Intel Committee and say, let's get that hearing done,
Speaker 5: get those witnesses in Bingo. Huge hearing blows the truth
Speaker 5: and bargo up, and then the new president steps forward
Speaker 5: and confirms it. He's the disclosure president and the first
Speaker 5: post disclosure president going forward. Right, that's the way it
Speaker 5: ought to be done. However, it's not going to shock
Speaker 5: me if he simply walks out in the East run
Speaker 5: one day, calls in a bunch of press and says,
Speaker 5: I got a huge announcement, simply says to them, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I happen to know that we're not alone. We have
Speaker 5: extra trustios here, we have the tech. I'm confirming it.
Speaker 5: There you go, done well.
Speaker 3: That would be great for all of us. We'd all
Speaker 3: love that, Steve. Steve, thanks for sharing your insights on this.
Speaker 3: I really really appreciate it. Always great talking to you.
Speaker 3: When we come back, we're going to talk to Jason
Speaker 3: Gilmett about his experiences at the congressional hearings as well.
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Speaker 3: Beyond Contact and we're going to speak with Jason Gilmet
Speaker 3: of the UAP Studies podcast. You know, Jason was at
Speaker 3: our CITD event last year. It was a lot of
Speaker 3: fun having him at Contact, and now he's here to
Speaker 3: join us. He was at the hearings. Hey, brother, how
Speaker 3: are you. I'm good, How are you going? I am terrific.
Speaker 3: I did not make it to the hearing, but I'm
Speaker 3: so happy that you were actually there on the front
Speaker 3: lines at Congress. You sent me some amazing pictures of
Speaker 3: you on the steps of Congress and right at the
Speaker 3: Capitol and everything. What was the experience like for you
Speaker 3: just just being there because you're a Canadian? Was it fascinating?
Speaker 3: What was it like being there the.
Speaker 6: Energy because we were put in the other room and
Speaker 6: we got to see it. But it was funny because
Speaker 6: we all laughed when Nancy May said, you know, put
Speaker 6: me on the list bringing.
Speaker 4: It at me.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 6: We thought it was brilliant because we need somebody to
Speaker 6: say that now because we know that even Congress people
Speaker 6: are getting threats and you know, maybe you should stop
Speaker 6: looking into this whatnot. But a lot of people said
Speaker 6: they weren't impressed with what happened. I was impressed because
Speaker 6: you have Gallodett, which is representing the oceans and you know,
Speaker 6: big bodies of water. You have luil Azando, which is
Speaker 6: representing pretty much our airspace and what's happening there. Then
Speaker 6: you have Michael Gold representing space and the Defense Department.
Speaker 6: It's a global issue and the problem is because we're
Speaker 6: limital and thinking, we always assume it's just a space
Speaker 6: between a rock, you know, surface and in our atmosphere,
Speaker 6: and it's not. It's in outside space, into space, down
Speaker 6: into the rocks, down into the water.
Speaker 4: It's a global issue, and.
Speaker 6: I think the first time we had that representation, you know.
Speaker 6: And also they ask great questions about are these entities,
Speaker 6: you know, do they cause any effects the crash? Do
Speaker 6: we have anybody on paid leave? And yes, we have
Speaker 6: people on paid leave in the military that were injured
Speaker 6: by either recovering biologics or being close proximity to these crafts.
Speaker 6: Which there's people on leave that are paid by you know,
Speaker 6: the Pentagon because they were injured from retrieving these things.
Speaker 6: And the Virginia case of our Hainia case, I think
Speaker 6: it's called I can never pronounce it right. Yeah, a
Speaker 6: police officer is about twenty seven years old, apprehended a
Speaker 6: creature and within twenty four hours his immune system was
Speaker 6: completely shot and he died. So, you know, being close
Speaker 6: proximity to these entities doesn't mean it's going to be
Speaker 6: like Hollywood, doesn't mean we could high five each other.
Speaker 6: There is going to be some you know, viruses that
Speaker 6: maybe they have or we have that may affect one another.
Speaker 5: So I thought that was huge.
Speaker 4: That was a big, big moment that.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people outside the community certainly
Speaker 3: saying that, well, it was another nothing burger.
Speaker 4: They didn't really have anything. What did you feel about that?
Speaker 4: I beg to differ.
Speaker 6: It's the first time we ever have a rare admiral
Speaker 6: saying that he was given, you know, an email that
Speaker 6: was quickly a race. And for it to be a race,
Speaker 6: it really has to come from like the guys that
Speaker 6: are working on the core system for the whole military
Speaker 6: to have withdrawn that email.
Speaker 4: Absolutely. Darcy covers that in his documentary very well, by
Speaker 4: the way.
Speaker 6: Very brilliantly. Darcy covers all these things very in depthly.
Speaker 6: And you know, you have a rear admiral. You got
Speaker 6: a man who was assigned by the Pentagon, and you
Speaker 6: know what was I forgot to keep forgetting the senator's
Speaker 6: name to put that together with us app there. But
Speaker 6: he investigated this and now he's putting his life on
Speaker 6: the line, his family's life, online's reputation. It costs them money.
Speaker 6: People have no idea how much Louel is Ondo ended
Speaker 6: up having to pay just to do this. He still
Speaker 6: does interviews for free. He makes no money. They try
Speaker 6: a journalist tried to or a filmmaker try to trap
Speaker 6: me in an interview during while I was in the
Speaker 6: lineup about Lou and heasel my way out of his
Speaker 6: questions because he's trying to taint Lou, Like should he
Speaker 6: make money selling his book? Like no, should just be
Speaker 6: giving it away for free? Like what do you think
Speaker 6: because he's liked, well, the truth should be free? He's like, yeah,
Speaker 6: but he needs to make money, right, He's putting all
Speaker 6: this work into this book. He's a production, Like it's
Speaker 6: not people expect things from free even though they don't
Speaker 6: contribute themselves to anything.
Speaker 4: That's right. What do you think?
Speaker 3: What was your what was your takeaway sitting there seeing
Speaker 3: this happen? What was your takeaway?
Speaker 6: Major progress? Even talking about are these crafts conscious? Are
Speaker 6: they operated by consciousness? All these questions were asked like
Speaker 6: Luna or Paula. Luna ask great questions within three minutes
Speaker 6: that we have never been asked before. You know, they're
Speaker 6: even talking about human you know, hybrids and have you
Speaker 6: heard about the hybridizations? Like this all went into a
Speaker 6: congressional hearing. And if anybody says, oh, it's the same
Speaker 6: old sayble no no for you, it is because you've
Speaker 6: been looking into this for so long. If I'm Joe Blow,
Speaker 6: that's never looked into this. I'm like, what hybrid program
Speaker 6: like consciousness? This is new to me, So is.
Speaker 4: That what it is?
Speaker 3: That it's exposing a wider audience to this topic. I
Speaker 3: think the fact that Congress is taking it serious enough
Speaker 3: to take the time to have.
Speaker 4: These things is a statement in itself. Am I right? Yes?
Speaker 4: And I was.
Speaker 6: There's a comment online that somebody said, well, I think
Speaker 6: you're crazier than I was. Our crazier scrorel not than
Speaker 6: I was, but nice meeting, And I replied, either I
Speaker 6: am or you are. Because Congress does not hold hearings
Speaker 6: on UAPs not existing, right right, They wouln't hold a
Speaker 6: hearing on that.
Speaker 3: So we had two and in the last couple of
Speaker 3: years here, which we haven't had since, you know, fifty
Speaker 3: years ago. So it is in that sense moving the
Speaker 3: topic forward. And I think that's a good thing, right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Even Arrow, what's his face from Arrow's testifying today
Speaker 6: too in front of the Senate, and he's talking about
Speaker 6: certain object that got seen by a police officer that
Speaker 6: ended up being a big case and then they're still investigated.
Speaker 6: But it seems to be something that makes no sense.
Speaker 6: So even though it didn't say much of anything. I
Speaker 6: still think that he said far more than Kirkpatrick ever was.
Speaker 6: And we found out Kirkpatrick was infiltrated from the start,
Speaker 6: as the CIA knew he was going in and they
Speaker 6: blocked it. The main guy who.
Speaker 3: Was like obviously the way that that arrow shut everything
Speaker 3: down and just came out with their blanket statement. We
Speaker 3: knew that they were not legit. What about I heard
Speaker 3: you met Tim galaad.
Speaker 6: Got to I got to shake hands with the men.
Speaker 4: That's great.
Speaker 6: Dandub guy, just dandup guy. And again he and louill Azando.
Speaker 6: Here's the thing, ron that if I'm in the room
Speaker 6: with somebody, I'll observe them, especially they're a big name,
Speaker 6: and you know, it doesn't take long for me to
Speaker 6: see the phonies from.
Speaker 4: The real people.
Speaker 6: Louil Azando and Tim Galladett are legitimately and same with
Speaker 6: Ryan Graves, are legitimately good men. And I saw Lou
Speaker 6: and Tim graciously give their time to just random people.
Speaker 6: They didn't have to it would say they're pleased and
Speaker 6: thank you. They were so polite with their time, and
Speaker 6: that impressed me. I'm like, that's that's the men that
Speaker 6: we need, and this not the con men. That we
Speaker 6: seem to have so many of.
Speaker 3: That's good to hear, man, and it's nice to hear
Speaker 3: that inside. That's something that you get from being there
Speaker 3: that we're sitting at home watching the hearings didn't get
Speaker 3: to experience. So thanks for sharing that with us, Jason.
Speaker 3: It's really interesting and I'm really glad you got to
Speaker 3: do it too. What a fun thing.
Speaker 4: Oh it was wild.
Speaker 6: God try it again, you know.
Speaker 3: Awesome. Man, I'll have to go to one of these. Yes,
Speaker 3: you have to move on here, Jason. When we come back,
Speaker 3: we're going to talk with Darcy Weir about his thoughts
Speaker 3: on the congressional hearings as well.
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Speaker 3: and I'm now going to speak with longtime filmmaker Darcy
Speaker 3: Weir and get his thoughts on the hearings as well.
Speaker 3: Last year, Darcy showed his film trans Medium, Fast Movers
Speaker 3: and USOS at Contact in the Desert, and it's great
Speaker 3: to have him here on Beyond Contact.
Speaker 4: Hey Darcy, good to see you, man.
Speaker 7: Hey, Ron, thanks for having me.
Speaker 4: Good time.
Speaker 3: Absolutely I appreciate you coming on and giving us a
Speaker 3: report from the front lines. It sounds like you and
Speaker 3: Jason got a chance to get right in there and
Speaker 3: be at the Capitol. And you guys are Canadian. Let
Speaker 3: us know what it was like to be inside the
Speaker 3: US Capital.
Speaker 7: Yeah, lots of energy.
Speaker 4: Did it feel that way being in that room?
Speaker 3: Did it feel like everybody was excited, because obviously these
Speaker 3: are fans of this that are there, right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was pretty cool. It was exciting.
Speaker 4: What was your takeaway? What did you feel about what
Speaker 4: they had to say? Right?
Speaker 7: So, Tim Galladad I've spoken to before. He was future.
Speaker 4: He was in your documentary, of course.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and he relayed that same information. But now that's
Speaker 7: part of the congressional record is courted for other congressmen
Speaker 7: and women to see and hear and understand that this
Speaker 7: is an official reality.
Speaker 3: That's one thing talking to you, it's another. This is
Speaker 3: under oath in Congress exactly. He could be perjuring himself.
Speaker 3: He could go to jail for lying, and he's not.
Speaker 3: I think he saw what he saw in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 3: But he also went on to say that he was
Speaker 3: interviewed by the then director of Arrow Sean Kirkpatrick that
Speaker 3: they tried to push him to become a debunker instead
Speaker 3: of it being an interview for him to possibly take
Speaker 3: the role as the new director of Arrow. They spent
Speaker 3: the full hour with him trying to convince him everything
Speaker 3: was birds, balloons, drones. You know, obviously, Ron, you know
Speaker 3: this has been going on for decades now. This is
Speaker 3: a very credible issue. It's not all just prosaic things.
Speaker 3: So that was interesting new testimony that we haven't heard from.
Speaker 3: Tim Lou said things on congressional record, like, yes, we
Speaker 3: have crash retrieval programs, Yes we have reverse engineered some
Speaker 3: of them, that there is a non human contingent to this,
Speaker 3: to a story to this phenomenon. A lot of people
Speaker 3: seem to say obviously outside our community mostly they're like
Speaker 3: this was a nothing burger. We didn't hear anything because
Speaker 3: oftentimes people, especially Lou, were like, I can't say that
Speaker 3: in a public setting, and you kept hearing that as
Speaker 3: an answer, I can't say that here. You know, it's
Speaker 3: top secret, it's classified, I can't talk about it.
Speaker 4: Was that annoying to you?
Speaker 3: Did you guys seem to feel like, well that we
Speaker 3: understand that, do you feel that hurts the cause.
Speaker 7: I don't think that hurts the cause because classified data
Speaker 7: is classified for a reason. It's for national security. It's
Speaker 7: to protect your country's secrets right from the enemy or
Speaker 7: whatever abroad. To request a skiff environment in order to
Speaker 7: discuss those things that are classified with the people that
Speaker 7: have the required security clearance, that is what Lou and
Speaker 7: those people are trying to allude to in order to
Speaker 7: say things further, that's where you're not breaking the law.
Speaker 7: You break the law and you go to jail. And
Speaker 7: I think that's what these whistleblowers are fearing.
Speaker 3: Do you think we're still kicking the ball down the
Speaker 3: field that some good comes out of it, even though
Speaker 3: these people are frustrated they didn't hear as much juicy
Speaker 3: stuff that they hoped Blue would say, Like you said,
Speaker 3: he can't say that. So do you still think this
Speaker 3: was beneficial for the cause?
Speaker 7: Absolutely? The first congressional hearing that happened in June of last.
Speaker 4: Year, that it doesn't. Absolutely.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that was not very well reported this one. Every
Speaker 7: news agency in the United States and even in the
Speaker 7: UK has been reporting on what was said in that
Speaker 7: hearing last week. So I think this is getting mass
Speaker 7: appeal and interest and other congressional members are going to
Speaker 7: see that and they're going to understand this is real.
Speaker 3: And Steve mentions how it's hundreds of articles have been
Speaker 3: written already just about the fact that we're having these hearings.
Speaker 3: I don't think that Congress would waste time if there
Speaker 3: wasn't something here, So I think maybe the masses would
Speaker 3: at least see it that way, that there must be
Speaker 3: something that these guys are talking about, or they wouldn't
Speaker 3: waste their time with it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, there was a debunker in line that was interviewing
Speaker 7: Jason and it was for documentary that this guy's working
Speaker 7: on to, you know, basically throw this whole phenomenon under
Speaker 7: the bus. He was throwing some stuff at Jason, and
Speaker 7: Jason cleverly said, you know, I'm pretty sure Congress does
Speaker 7: not hold hearings on UAPs that don't exist.
Speaker 3: Right, good point. And I think it's interesting that Michael
Speaker 3: Gold's book about NASA having these records, that's something brand new.
Speaker 3: I have not really heard anyone from NASA come out,
Speaker 3: have you.
Speaker 7: NASA astronauts have been talking about this phenomenon for decades
Speaker 7: and decades and decades and I've been discussing that in
Speaker 7: some previous documentaries have done called Secret Space UFOs. But
Speaker 7: I think the NASA administration, you know, especially with the
Speaker 7: new administrator that took over, he came out in his
Speaker 7: first month of taking office saying, I interviewed the pilots
Speaker 7: about the tic TAC Nimah's event, and this is real.
Speaker 7: And I think since then NASA has been quite quiet.
Speaker 7: I think that NASA knows a lot more about this
Speaker 7: phenomenon and they haven't been public about it. They've been
Speaker 7: very quiet about it for many decades now, and they've
Speaker 7: even debunked a bunch of it. Joshua Sametter was debunking
Speaker 7: the go Fast UAP video at the NASA panel that
Speaker 7: was held in twenty twenty three. So I don't hold
Speaker 7: out a lot of hope for NASA being being very
Speaker 7: forthright and honest about this issue. I think they've been
Speaker 7: kind of part of the CU up. But it was
Speaker 7: interesting to hear that they have collected this type of
Speaker 7: data before with mister Mike Gold, so that means they
Speaker 7: are one hundred percent aware of this stuff.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. I'm sure they have tons of stuff that we
Speaker 3: just don't know about. Obviously, I definitely think that. It's
Speaker 3: also exciting that it seems like there's going to be
Speaker 3: more of these. Mace and Burshutt and some of these
Speaker 3: guys have taken it very serious on Capitol Hill, and
Speaker 3: she said she wants to do more. They want to
Speaker 3: have at least another one. So hopefully that's just moving
Speaker 3: it down further and further as we get more and
Speaker 3: more of these witnesses to come out.
Speaker 7: I'm looking forward to more. I said to Jason, that's
Speaker 7: probably the last one I'll go to, but I want
Speaker 7: to see more testimony that comes about.
Speaker 4: And it's not fun to be part of history once right.
Speaker 7: Totally, I was ecstatic.
Speaker 4: What a experience.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was. It was great just being a part
Speaker 7: of the environment, being part of the history taking place.
Speaker 7: I'm sure there's going to be hearings in the future.
Speaker 7: We might hear from people that have been affected by
Speaker 7: UAP radiation, so experiencers of UAP phenomenon. I think that's
Speaker 7: one of the themes coming down the road.
Speaker 4: That's sort of the next progression.
Speaker 3: We start with the lights in the sky, then maybe
Speaker 3: this now we're going to get down to the actual contact.
Speaker 4: When you walked out of there, and it was over
Speaker 4: what was your sense? What did you feel? What was
Speaker 4: your walk away?
Speaker 7: You know, one of the shocking things it was said
Speaker 7: was the fact that there's ocean based bases possibly you
Speaker 7: know that went into congressional record. Or the fact that
Speaker 7: there's this question of a hybrid program within the military.
Speaker 7: That type of thing, you know, things that we've heard
Speaker 7: in ufology for a long time, but we'd never think
Speaker 7: a congressional hearing would be talking about, right, you.
Speaker 3: Know, especially something like that, the hybrid program, that's like
Speaker 3: the next level deep I'm I'm I was shocked that
Speaker 3: that was even brought. You know, I think you know
Speaker 3: they're doing the Senate one today. Did you watch any
Speaker 3: of that?
Speaker 7: Yeah? I watched it. It was bad, to be honest, Arrow.
Speaker 4: I figured it was gonna be garbage.
Speaker 7: There's all these memes going around now. Susan go was
Speaker 7: sitting just over the shoulder of the new director of
Speaker 7: ARROW who was testifying. He was the only witness. They
Speaker 7: weren't even questions, like you know, at least at the
Speaker 7: congressional hearing last week, they were saying things like is
Speaker 7: this real? Like are there you know aliens? Like interesting
Speaker 7: open questions? This week Jillibrand was basically spoon feeding him
Speaker 7: the answer in the question. Yeah, and then he would
Speaker 7: answer it and it was like all to build up
Speaker 7: ARROW as this achievement and responsible reporting, you know, organization.
Speaker 7: And he said, we have had no no witnesses come
Speaker 7: forward yet. Yeah, we know, Robert Sallas, David Jacobs, you know,
Speaker 7: a whole list of credible witnesses testified to ARROW. And
Speaker 7: in their first report that they published they said there's
Speaker 7: been no witnesses. I think it's Bluebook two point zero.
Speaker 7: I think it's you know, especially when they say it's
Speaker 7: all domain, it means like they're catching all reports from
Speaker 7: any domain, ocean, skye, outer space. And then they're going
Speaker 7: to start debunking it. They debunked the aguadea footage in
Speaker 7: today's hearing said it was a balloon. And yeah, they
Speaker 7: just continue to to not be telling the whole story,
Speaker 7: and then when they tell the story, they seem to
Speaker 7: be debunking it.
Speaker 4: Ah.
Speaker 3: How crazy. Well, thank you again, Darcy, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Thank you all for listening to Beyond Contact. We'll be
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