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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week on Beyond

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Speaker 3: Contact for the latest news in upology, discuss some of

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Rona. Today we're going

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Speaker 3: to be speaking about the latest hearings in Congress on

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Speaker 3: the UAP topic. To start off the first half of

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Speaker 3: the show, we have the person who knows more about

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Speaker 3: this than anyone. That is, of course, the great Stephen Bassett.

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Speaker 3: Steve's the executive director of Paradigm Research Group, which was

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Speaker 3: founded in nineteen ninety six to end the government imposed

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Speaker 3: embargo on truth behind the extraterrestrial phenomenon. Well, Steve, did

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Speaker 3: we move an inch closer to lifting the truth embargo

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Speaker 3: through these recent hearings in Congress?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the process continues. It's irreversible. We're headed for disclosure,

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Speaker 5: and the recent events have been very constructive. We had

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Speaker 5: a hearing in the House, the second one the last

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Speaker 5: one was fourteen months ago, also the same subcommittee, and

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Speaker 5: then six days later we had a briefing in the Senate.

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Speaker 5: Both were filmed. Both are out there right now, probably

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Speaker 5: multiple venues. They are live streaming it. It was different

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Speaker 5: than the Grush hearing that everybody remembers. It was four

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Speaker 5: each other's testimony. It didn't have that sex appeal maybe

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Speaker 5: had the Alizondo starting off right away saying we're not

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Speaker 4: Then you have the Immaculate constellationm.

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Speaker 5: See for the first time the words we are not alone.

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Speaker 5: We're spoken under Earth by Lewis Alissando. We are not alone.

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Speaker 3: We're talking to Steve Bassett. Steve, you're talking about these

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Speaker 3: That would be great for all of us. We'd all

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Speaker 3: love that, Steve. Steve, thanks for sharing your insights on this.

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Speaker 3: Bro.

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Speaker 6: We thought it was brilliant because we need somebody to

437
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Speaker 6: say that now because we know that even Congress people

438
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Speaker 6: are getting threats and you know, maybe you should stop

439
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Speaker 6: looking into this whatnot. But a lot of people said

440
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Speaker 6: they weren't impressed with what happened. I was impressed because

441
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:54,359
Speaker 6: you have Gallodett, which is representing the oceans and you know,

442
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,240
Speaker 6: big bodies of water. You have luil Azando, which is

443
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Speaker 6: representing pretty much our airspace and what's happening there. Then

444
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Speaker 6: you have Michael Gold representing space and the Defense Department.

445
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Speaker 6: It's a global issue and the problem is because we're

446
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Speaker 6: limital and thinking, we always assume it's just a space

447
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Speaker 6: between a rock, you know, surface and in our atmosphere,

448
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 6: and it's not. It's in outside space, into space, down

449
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Speaker 6: into the rocks, down into the water.

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Speaker 4: It's a global issue, and.

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Speaker 6: I think the first time we had that representation, you know.

452
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Speaker 6: And also they ask great questions about are these entities,

453
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Speaker 6: you know, do they cause any effects the crash? Do

454
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Speaker 6: we have anybody on paid leave? And yes, we have

455
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Speaker 6: people on paid leave in the military that were injured

456
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Speaker 6: by either recovering biologics or being close proximity to these crafts.

457
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Speaker 6: Which there's people on leave that are paid by you know,

458
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Speaker 6: the Pentagon because they were injured from retrieving these things.

459
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Speaker 6: And the Virginia case of our Hainia case, I think

460
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Speaker 6: it's called I can never pronounce it right. Yeah, a

461
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 6: police officer is about twenty seven years old, apprehended a

462
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Speaker 6: creature and within twenty four hours his immune system was

463
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Speaker 6: completely shot and he died. So, you know, being close

464
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Speaker 6: proximity to these entities doesn't mean it's going to be

465
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Speaker 6: like Hollywood, doesn't mean we could high five each other.

466
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Speaker 6: There is going to be some you know, viruses that

467
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Speaker 6: maybe they have or we have that may affect one another.

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Speaker 5: So I thought that was huge.

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Speaker 4: That was a big, big moment that.

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of people outside the community certainly

471
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Speaker 3: saying that, well, it was another nothing burger.

472
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Speaker 4: They didn't really have anything. What did you feel about that?

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Speaker 4: I beg to differ.

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Speaker 6: It's the first time we ever have a rare admiral

475
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Speaker 6: saying that he was given, you know, an email that

476
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Speaker 6: was quickly a race. And for it to be a race,

477
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 6: it really has to come from like the guys that

478
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Speaker 6: are working on the core system for the whole military

479
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Speaker 6: to have withdrawn that email.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely. Darcy covers that in his documentary very well, by

481
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Speaker 4: the way.

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Speaker 6: Very brilliantly. Darcy covers all these things very in depthly.

483
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Speaker 6: And you know, you have a rear admiral. You got

484
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Speaker 6: a man who was assigned by the Pentagon, and you

485
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Speaker 6: know what was I forgot to keep forgetting the senator's

486
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Speaker 6: name to put that together with us app there. But

487
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 6: he investigated this and now he's putting his life on

488
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Speaker 6: the line, his family's life, online's reputation. It costs them money.

489
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Speaker 6: People have no idea how much Louel is Ondo ended

490
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,120
Speaker 6: up having to pay just to do this. He still

491
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 6: does interviews for free. He makes no money. They try

492
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 6: a journalist tried to or a filmmaker try to trap

493
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Speaker 6: me in an interview during while I was in the

494
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Speaker 6: lineup about Lou and heasel my way out of his

495
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 6: questions because he's trying to taint Lou, Like should he

496
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 6: make money selling his book? Like no, should just be

497
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 6: giving it away for free? Like what do you think

498
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 6: because he's liked, well, the truth should be free? He's like, yeah,

499
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 6: but he needs to make money, right, He's putting all

500
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Speaker 6: this work into this book. He's a production, Like it's

501
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 6: not people expect things from free even though they don't

502
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 6: contribute themselves to anything.

503
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Speaker 4: That's right. What do you think?

504
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Speaker 3: What was your what was your takeaway sitting there seeing

505
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 3: this happen? What was your takeaway?

506
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Speaker 6: Major progress? Even talking about are these crafts conscious? Are

507
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Speaker 6: they operated by consciousness? All these questions were asked like

508
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Speaker 6: Luna or Paula. Luna ask great questions within three minutes

509
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Speaker 6: that we have never been asked before. You know, they're

510
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Speaker 6: even talking about human you know, hybrids and have you

511
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,199
Speaker 6: heard about the hybridizations? Like this all went into a

512
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Speaker 6: congressional hearing. And if anybody says, oh, it's the same

513
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Speaker 6: old sayble no no for you, it is because you've

514
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 6: been looking into this for so long. If I'm Joe Blow,

515
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Speaker 6: that's never looked into this. I'm like, what hybrid program

516
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Speaker 6: like consciousness? This is new to me, So is.

517
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Speaker 4: That what it is?

518
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 3: That it's exposing a wider audience to this topic. I

519
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 3: think the fact that Congress is taking it serious enough

520
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Speaker 3: to take the time to have.

521
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Speaker 4: These things is a statement in itself. Am I right? Yes?

522
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Speaker 4: And I was.

523
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Speaker 6: There's a comment online that somebody said, well, I think

524
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Speaker 6: you're crazier than I was. Our crazier scrorel not than

525
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 6: I was, but nice meeting, And I replied, either I

526
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 6: am or you are. Because Congress does not hold hearings

527
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Speaker 6: on UAPs not existing, right right, They wouln't hold a

528
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Speaker 6: hearing on that.

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Speaker 3: So we had two and in the last couple of

530
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Speaker 3: years here, which we haven't had since, you know, fifty

531
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Speaker 3: years ago. So it is in that sense moving the

532
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Speaker 3: topic forward. And I think that's a good thing, right.

533
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Even Arrow, what's his face from Arrow's testifying today

534
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 6: too in front of the Senate, and he's talking about

535
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Speaker 6: certain object that got seen by a police officer that

536
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Speaker 6: ended up being a big case and then they're still investigated.

537
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Speaker 6: But it seems to be something that makes no sense.

538
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Speaker 6: So even though it didn't say much of anything. I

539
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 6: still think that he said far more than Kirkpatrick ever was.

540
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Speaker 6: And we found out Kirkpatrick was infiltrated from the start,

541
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Speaker 6: as the CIA knew he was going in and they

542
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 6: blocked it. The main guy who.

543
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Speaker 3: Was like obviously the way that that arrow shut everything

544
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 3: down and just came out with their blanket statement. We

545
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 3: knew that they were not legit. What about I heard

546
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 3: you met Tim galaad.

547
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Speaker 6: Got to I got to shake hands with the men.

548
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Speaker 4: That's great.

549
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 6: Dandub guy, just dandup guy. And again he and louill Azando.

550
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Speaker 6: Here's the thing, ron that if I'm in the room

551
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Speaker 6: with somebody, I'll observe them, especially they're a big name,

552
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 6: and you know, it doesn't take long for me to

553
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 6: see the phonies from.

554
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Speaker 4: The real people.

555
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 6: Louil Azando and Tim Galladett are legitimately and same with

556
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 6: Ryan Graves, are legitimately good men. And I saw Lou

557
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 6: and Tim graciously give their time to just random people.

558
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 6: They didn't have to it would say they're pleased and

559
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Speaker 6: thank you. They were so polite with their time, and

560
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 6: that impressed me. I'm like, that's that's the men that

561
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 6: we need, and this not the con men. That we

562
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 6: seem to have so many of.

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Speaker 3: That's good to hear, man, and it's nice to hear

564
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 3: that inside. That's something that you get from being there

565
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 3: that we're sitting at home watching the hearings didn't get

566
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Speaker 3: to experience. So thanks for sharing that with us, Jason.

567
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Speaker 3: It's really interesting and I'm really glad you got to

568
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Speaker 3: do it too. What a fun thing.

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Speaker 4: Oh it was wild.

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Speaker 6: God try it again, you know.

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Speaker 3: Awesome. Man, I'll have to go to one of these. Yes,

572
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 3: you have to move on here, Jason. When we come back,

573
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Speaker 3: we're going to talk with Darcy Weir about his thoughts

574
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Speaker 3: on the congressional hearings as well.

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Speaker 4: You're listening to.

576
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 3: Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM

577
00:28:37,160 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 3: Paranormal podcast network. Okay, we are back on Beyond Contact

578
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 3: and I'm now going to speak with longtime filmmaker Darcy

579
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 3: Weir and get his thoughts on the hearings as well.

580
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 3: Last year, Darcy showed his film trans Medium, Fast Movers

581
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Speaker 3: and USOS at Contact in the Desert, and it's great

582
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 3: to have him here on Beyond Contact.

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Speaker 4: Hey Darcy, good to see you, man.

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Speaker 7: Hey, Ron, thanks for having me.

585
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Speaker 4: Good time.

586
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Speaker 3: Absolutely I appreciate you coming on and giving us a

587
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 3: report from the front lines. It sounds like you and

588
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 3: Jason got a chance to get right in there and

589
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Speaker 3: be at the Capitol. And you guys are Canadian. Let

590
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Speaker 3: us know what it was like to be inside the

591
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Speaker 3: US Capital.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, lots of energy.

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Speaker 4: Did it feel that way being in that room?

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Speaker 3: Did it feel like everybody was excited, because obviously these

595
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 3: are fans of this that are there, right.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it was pretty cool. It was exciting.

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Speaker 4: What was your takeaway? What did you feel about what

598
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Speaker 4: they had to say? Right?

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Speaker 7: So, Tim Galladad I've spoken to before. He was future.

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Speaker 4: He was in your documentary, of course.

601
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, and he relayed that same information. But now that's

602
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Speaker 7: part of the congressional record is courted for other congressmen

603
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Speaker 7: and women to see and hear and understand that this

604
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Speaker 7: is an official reality.

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Speaker 3: That's one thing talking to you, it's another. This is

606
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 3: under oath in Congress exactly. He could be perjuring himself.

607
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 3: He could go to jail for lying, and he's not.

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Speaker 3: I think he saw what he saw in twenty fifteen.

609
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Speaker 3: But he also went on to say that he was

610
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Speaker 3: interviewed by the then director of Arrow Sean Kirkpatrick that

611
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Speaker 3: they tried to push him to become a debunker instead

612
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Speaker 3: of it being an interview for him to possibly take

613
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Speaker 3: the role as the new director of Arrow. They spent

614
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Speaker 3: the full hour with him trying to convince him everything

615
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 3: was birds, balloons, drones. You know, obviously, Ron, you know

616
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Speaker 3: this has been going on for decades now. This is

617
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 3: a very credible issue. It's not all just prosaic things.

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Speaker 3: So that was interesting new testimony that we haven't heard from.

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Speaker 3: Tim Lou said things on congressional record, like, yes, we

620
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Speaker 3: have crash retrieval programs, Yes we have reverse engineered some

621
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Speaker 3: of them, that there is a non human contingent to this,

622
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 3: to a story to this phenomenon. A lot of people

623
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Speaker 3: seem to say obviously outside our community mostly they're like

624
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 3: this was a nothing burger. We didn't hear anything because

625
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 3: oftentimes people, especially Lou, were like, I can't say that

626
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,719
Speaker 3: in a public setting, and you kept hearing that as

627
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Speaker 3: an answer, I can't say that here. You know, it's

628
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Speaker 3: top secret, it's classified, I can't talk about it.

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Speaker 4: Was that annoying to you?

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Speaker 3: Did you guys seem to feel like, well that we

631
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Speaker 3: understand that, do you feel that hurts the cause.

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Speaker 7: I don't think that hurts the cause because classified data

633
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 7: is classified for a reason. It's for national security. It's

634
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 7: to protect your country's secrets right from the enemy or

635
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 7: whatever abroad. To request a skiff environment in order to

636
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Speaker 7: discuss those things that are classified with the people that

637
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Speaker 7: have the required security clearance, that is what Lou and

638
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 7: those people are trying to allude to in order to

639
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 7: say things further, that's where you're not breaking the law.

640
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 7: You break the law and you go to jail. And

641
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Speaker 7: I think that's what these whistleblowers are fearing.

642
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Speaker 3: Do you think we're still kicking the ball down the

643
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 3: field that some good comes out of it, even though

644
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 3: these people are frustrated they didn't hear as much juicy

645
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 3: stuff that they hoped Blue would say, Like you said,

646
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Speaker 3: he can't say that. So do you still think this

647
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 3: was beneficial for the cause?

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Speaker 7: Absolutely? The first congressional hearing that happened in June of last.

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Speaker 4: Year, that it doesn't. Absolutely.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that was not very well reported this one. Every

651
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Speaker 7: news agency in the United States and even in the

652
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Speaker 7: UK has been reporting on what was said in that

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Speaker 7: hearing last week. So I think this is getting mass

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Speaker 7: appeal and interest and other congressional members are going to

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Speaker 7: see that and they're going to understand this is real.

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Speaker 3: And Steve mentions how it's hundreds of articles have been

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Speaker 3: written already just about the fact that we're having these hearings.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that Congress would waste time if there

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Speaker 3: wasn't something here, So I think maybe the masses would

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Speaker 3: at least see it that way, that there must be

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Speaker 3: something that these guys are talking about, or they wouldn't

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Speaker 3: waste their time with it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, there was a debunker in line that was interviewing

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Speaker 7: Jason and it was for documentary that this guy's working

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Speaker 7: on to, you know, basically throw this whole phenomenon under

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Speaker 7: the bus. He was throwing some stuff at Jason, and

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Speaker 7: Jason cleverly said, you know, I'm pretty sure Congress does

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Speaker 7: not hold hearings on UAPs that don't exist.

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Speaker 3: Right, good point. And I think it's interesting that Michael

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Speaker 3: Gold's book about NASA having these records, that's something brand new.

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Speaker 3: I have not really heard anyone from NASA come out,

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Speaker 3: have you.

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Speaker 7: NASA astronauts have been talking about this phenomenon for decades

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Speaker 7: and decades and decades and I've been discussing that in

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Speaker 7: some previous documentaries have done called Secret Space UFOs. But

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Speaker 7: I think the NASA administration, you know, especially with the

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Speaker 7: new administrator that took over, he came out in his

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Speaker 7: first month of taking office saying, I interviewed the pilots

679
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Speaker 7: about the tic TAC Nimah's event, and this is real.

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Speaker 7: And I think since then NASA has been quite quiet.

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Speaker 7: I think that NASA knows a lot more about this

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Speaker 7: phenomenon and they haven't been public about it. They've been

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Speaker 7: very quiet about it for many decades now, and they've

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Speaker 7: even debunked a bunch of it. Joshua Sametter was debunking

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Speaker 7: the go Fast UAP video at the NASA panel that

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Speaker 7: was held in twenty twenty three. So I don't hold

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Speaker 7: out a lot of hope for NASA being being very

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Speaker 7: forthright and honest about this issue. I think they've been

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Speaker 7: kind of part of the CU up. But it was

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Speaker 7: interesting to hear that they have collected this type of

691
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Speaker 7: data before with mister Mike Gold, so that means they

692
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Speaker 7: are one hundred percent aware of this stuff.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. I'm sure they have tons of stuff that we

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Speaker 3: just don't know about. Obviously, I definitely think that. It's

695
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Speaker 3: also exciting that it seems like there's going to be

696
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Speaker 3: more of these. Mace and Burshutt and some of these

697
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Speaker 3: guys have taken it very serious on Capitol Hill, and

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Speaker 3: she said she wants to do more. They want to

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Speaker 3: have at least another one. So hopefully that's just moving

700
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Speaker 3: it down further and further as we get more and

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Speaker 3: more of these witnesses to come out.

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Speaker 7: I'm looking forward to more. I said to Jason, that's

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Speaker 7: probably the last one I'll go to, but I want

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Speaker 7: to see more testimony that comes about.

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Speaker 4: And it's not fun to be part of history once right.

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Speaker 7: Totally, I was ecstatic.

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Speaker 4: What a experience.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it was. It was great just being a part

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Speaker 7: of the environment, being part of the history taking place.

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Speaker 7: I'm sure there's going to be hearings in the future.

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Speaker 7: We might hear from people that have been affected by

712
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Speaker 7: UAP radiation, so experiencers of UAP phenomenon. I think that's

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Speaker 7: one of the themes coming down the road.

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Speaker 4: That's sort of the next progression.

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Speaker 3: We start with the lights in the sky, then maybe

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Speaker 3: this now we're going to get down to the actual contact.

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Speaker 4: When you walked out of there, and it was over

718
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Speaker 4: what was your sense? What did you feel? What was

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Speaker 4: your walk away?

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Speaker 7: You know, one of the shocking things it was said

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Speaker 7: was the fact that there's ocean based bases possibly you

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Speaker 7: know that went into congressional record. Or the fact that

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Speaker 7: there's this question of a hybrid program within the military.

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Speaker 7: That type of thing, you know, things that we've heard

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Speaker 7: in ufology for a long time, but we'd never think

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Speaker 7: a congressional hearing would be talking about, right, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, especially something like that, the hybrid program, that's like

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Speaker 3: the next level deep I'm I'm I was shocked that

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Speaker 3: that was even brought. You know, I think you know

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Speaker 3: they're doing the Senate one today. Did you watch any

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Speaker 3: of that?

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Speaker 7: Yeah? I watched it. It was bad, to be honest, Arrow.

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Speaker 4: I figured it was gonna be garbage.

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Speaker 7: There's all these memes going around now. Susan go was

735
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Speaker 7: sitting just over the shoulder of the new director of

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Speaker 7: ARROW who was testifying. He was the only witness. They

737
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 7: weren't even questions, like you know, at least at the

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Speaker 7: congressional hearing last week, they were saying things like is

739
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Speaker 7: this real? Like are there you know aliens? Like interesting

740
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 7: open questions? This week Jillibrand was basically spoon feeding him

741
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Speaker 7: the answer in the question. Yeah, and then he would

742
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Speaker 7: answer it and it was like all to build up

743
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Speaker 7: ARROW as this achievement and responsible reporting, you know, organization.

744
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Speaker 7: And he said, we have had no no witnesses come

745
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 7: forward yet. Yeah, we know, Robert Sallas, David Jacobs, you know,

746
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Speaker 7: a whole list of credible witnesses testified to ARROW. And

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Speaker 7: in their first report that they published they said there's

748
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Speaker 7: been no witnesses. I think it's Bluebook two point zero.

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Speaker 7: I think it's you know, especially when they say it's

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Speaker 7: all domain, it means like they're catching all reports from

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Speaker 7: any domain, ocean, skye, outer space. And then they're going

752
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Speaker 7: to start debunking it. They debunked the aguadea footage in

753
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 7: today's hearing said it was a balloon. And yeah, they

754
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Speaker 7: just continue to to not be telling the whole story,

755
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Speaker 7: and then when they tell the story, they seem to

756
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Speaker 7: be debunking it.

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Speaker 4: Ah.

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Speaker 3: How crazy. Well, thank you again, Darcy, I really appreciate it.

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