WEBVTT - 129: Pyramids, Air Quality Index, & Q Age 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:05.240 It's ten two pm in Sherman, Wyoming, and you're listening 0:00:05.400 --> 0:00:17.680 to Nightcall. Hello and welcome tonightcall a Collin show for 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:21.520 artist Topy in reality. My name is Emily Oshida. I 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:24.439 am in Los Angeles for once, and with me on 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:29.920 the other line, of course, are Molly Lambert and Tess Lynch. Hello. Hello, 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:32.800 nice to be back on the same coast with you guys. 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:37.680 Welcome back and happy belated birthday. Oh thank you. I mean, 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:39.880 I got the best gift of all of the last 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:47.120 hour of October one, if you know, you know, um 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:50.559 speaking of I feel like I was thinking of this 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:52.560 because you know, obviously I was like, oh yeah for show, 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:54.680 and the next day like when the Trump COVID news 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:57.200 was breaking, and I was like, man, this is like 0:00:57.280 --> 0:00:59.920 the definition of an evolving story. I don't even feel 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:02.720 we could say anything about it because it'll probably be 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:05.080 outdated by the time this episode comes out on Monday. 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:08.319 So in the meantime, we're just going to take a 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:11.640 bunch of night calls this week. Yeah, we have some 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:14.039 really good ones coming up, So thank you to all 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:16.920 of our listeners who called in and wrote in these 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:19.559 past couple of weeks. But first I just wanted to 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:21.840 talk to you guys or just give a little bit 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:25.120 of a report from the road from my travels, because 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:29.080 on my trip back from Iowa, I had a pyramid 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:32.640 heavy trip. By pyramid heavy, I mean I saw two pyramids. 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:36.480 That's a lot of pyramids for one trip, to be honest. Yeah, 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:40.040 and all west of the Mississippi. So I was plotting 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:43.160 out my route as I have been doing every time 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:46.039 I hit the road again, and looking for things to 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:50.480 see off of I a d in Wyoming, which was 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:53.560 a big chunk of the route that I took, you know, 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:58.200 consulting Wyoming travel guides and stuff, and and and found 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:02.200 the Aims Monument. Should I've never heard of before. But 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:06.320 it's a pyramid that it was built. It's it's now, 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:09.480 you know, just south of of I eighty. But it 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:14.160 dates back to obviously before the interstate system. But it 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:18.880 was a stop on the Transcontinental, the Union Pacific Railroad. 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:22.560 It was once the highest point on the Union Pacific Railroad. 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:24.720 It's something that like eight thousand, two hundred and forty 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:27.680 seven ft above sea level. So I just, I mean, 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:30.600 it's just it's very bizarre. This is a treeless, you know, 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:35.320 wind swept plane in UH in Wyoming, just outside a 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:40.240 laramie UM and there's a dang pyramid there. So I 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:42.320 was like, I gotta see this pyramid. I got to 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:46.320 see about this pyramid. How big is it? Um, it's 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:50.359 about the size of a small house. I would say, 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:53.840 a modest pyramid. Yeah, a modest pyramid. You know you 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:56.440 can walk around it, and you could probably walk around 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:59.200 it in less than a minute. I would say, is 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:03.239 there a person in it? Well, um, there's two people 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:07.720 on it. So then the Aims monument as a monument 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:11.359 to um Oaks and Oliver Aims. By the way, you 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:15.320 can name somebody Oaks and that's Olks o A K. E. S. 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:18.600 That's like a very Brooklyn child name. But Oaks and 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:21.760 Oliver Aims who were the UH This is off of 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:26.200 the Wyoming Historical Society's website. They were financiers and politicians 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:29.120 whose business skills were largely responsible for the completion of 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:33.040 the trans Continental Railroad. They were also later revealed to 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:37.640 be hucksters and fraudsters um when it came to the 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:41.080 financing of that trans Continental railroad. UM. It was sort 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:42.720 of interesting to read a little bit about the trans 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:44.880 Continental railroad because at the time it was like people 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:46.880 have compared it to like how people talk about going 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:50.680 to Mars. Now it's just like impractical, like nobody needs that. 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:53.640 That's massively like what a waste of money, and uh, 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:56.520 that's just sort of funny to think about now. Uh. 0:03:56.640 --> 0:04:02.000 So they had this monument inch I'm not sure who 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:05.520 commissioned it, if it was them, but it was designed 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:12.480 by Henry Hobson Richardson. He's an architect around that time, 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:14.680 and it's got their heads on it. It's got these 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:17.000 boss relief heads and at first I thought it was 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:20.320 like Lincoln Abraham Lincoln, which wouldn't have not made sense 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:24.760 because it was built largely during I think during his presidency. 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:27.920 But it's it's really weird. It's just this sort of um, 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:31.480 it's not a direct triangle like the Egyptian Pyramids. It's 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:34.800 sort of it's more of a zigaratte I would say. 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:38.359 It's kind of got this flat, flat ish top and 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:42.279 kind of two layers on. It will link to it 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:43.880 so people can check it out or you can just 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:47.320 google Aims monument. Uh. Yeah, it looked rad. Did you 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:51.520 get out and like walk around? Yeah, So it's it's 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:54.800 sort of. It's very close to the interstate, but it's 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:57.839 all just dirt roads to get there, and they're really 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:00.279 really rough dirt roads. So I was like dry pugging 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:04.640 my little car through this uh dirt road to get 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:07.920 to the pyramid and nobody's around. Also, there was a 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:11.040 fire that day, um, and I think continues to be 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:15.160 a fire, the Mullen fire and in Wyoming, So it 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:18.479 was really ominous out. It looked so apocalyptic when you 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:20.960 posted a picture, and it looked very much like hell. 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:24.560 It was it felt like hell. It was crazy. Um. 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:28.000 The wind was so strong that like I had to 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:30.119 be careful, this is happening to me before and strong 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:32.200 wind where like the car door has slammed on my 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:35.760 leg with a high lived but it was like that 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:39.000 it was my hat and my hat was literally blowing 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:40.640 off of my head and I had to go chasing 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:44.080 after it like I was in an old timey cartoon. Um. 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:47.000 But it was Yeah, it was very dramatic. I took 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:49.359 some pictures and I don't know if there's a body 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:51.479 in there. There should be a body, but it was 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:53.800 like a big churst chap like they would get out 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:56.680 because the transcontinential railroad was so long they had to 0:05:56.680 --> 0:06:00.000 switch out engines halfway through the journey, so or probably 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:02.480 multiple spo stops on the journey, So that was one 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:04.880 of those switching places, and so all everybody had to 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:08.120 get out of the train and they would switch out 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:10.320 the engine and people would walk around and check out 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:13.480 the pyramid like that was the activity. And then they 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:15.800 moved the railroad like three miles to the south, and 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:18.800 the little town that had sprung up there, Sherman Wyoming, 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:23.400 became a ghost town. So, um, there's and I think 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:26.600 there's just a cemetery there. That's all that's left of it. Cool, 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:31.080 but that was not the only pyramid that you saw. Yeah, 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:36.960 So around Salt Lake City, I transitioned from the Interstate 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:43.200 eighty to fifteen, which goes through Las Vegas, Nevada since City, 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:48.160 and I made a little detour just to check out 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:53.680 the luxere Um because I had been seeing rumors that 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:57.440 they're gonna be demolishing the lux or possibly. This is 0:06:57.480 --> 0:07:04.520 not confirmed officially, but sources say that that MGM is 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:09.000 considering tearing down the lux sore as part of their 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:13.960 general push to d theme their Vegas properties, which is bullshit. 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:17.920 They don't know what they got. The themed casinos are 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:20.040 all the best. I think this is the official night 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:25.840 cost totally. People want a party in a pyramid. You 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:28.840 can still put your superclubs in a pyramid. Yeah, I 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:30.840 don't think there's a Is there a club but lux 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:33.920 so I don't think there is, Like there's a club 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:36.960 in all of them. I just watched from Duck Till Dawn, 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:42.040 which ends with a reveal that the club the titty bars, 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:46.360 really in an Aztec pyramid at the end, and it 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:50.440 reminded me that when I went to Tijuana last time, 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:53.000 we saw there was like a club in the shape 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:57.680 of an Aztec pyramid that looked amazing. We're all for pyramids, 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:02.160 real and and fake. Why are they getting rid of 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:07.480 the themed casinos? Why it's just a vestige of the nineties. Yeah, 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:10.360 they went They did a family friendly phase in the 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:12.400 nineties where they were like, we're going to be bigger 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:15.120 than Disney World. Families are all going to come to 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:18.440 Las Vegas, so we're gonna put all this family oriented stuff. 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:21.200 And then in the two thousands at some point they 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:23.960 were like, funk that we're going back to like adults 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:26.320 who want to drink and do drugs and get laid. 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:29.800 Why are they assuming that adults don't like themes? Also, 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:32.800 they could still be bigger than Disney because Disney might 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:35.400 be going down, So somebody's got to stick around for 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:39.000 a theme. Yeah, like the ex caliber needs to stay there, 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:42.520 like it's it's it's probably the only thing that's single 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:46.400 handedly holding Las Vegas together, that castle. They also they 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:49.079 just blow up casinos every once in a while. It's 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:52.320 like a publicity stunt as much as anything else. It's like, hey, 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:55.920 we're blowing up this thing that was falling into disrepair 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:58.040 and we're just going to build a whole new one 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:01.840 to generate promo. Some might say it is the biggest 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:05.800 display of excess in Las Vegas that regularly happens, because 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:09.120 it's just like, what reuse the building, like rehab it? 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:12.439 Fuck no, let's tear it down and build any I've 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:14.560 always said to that, like if they had let some 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:17.920 of the casinos that they did blow up, like the Sands, 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:21.520 if they had just kept them around and referbed them, 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:23.720 they would now be like people would love like a 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:28.040 like a rat pack casino. It's it's kind of kind 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:31.040 of stunnying that there's not really a rat pack themed 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:37.280 casino in Las Vegas, Like I think maybe like the Cromwell, 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:39.680 which is a relatively new and kind of smaller casino, 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:43.319 is maybe in that zone. But there's not like an 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:47.120 all out like Las Vegas like fifties Las Vegas theme casino, 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:50.320 which feels like a major oversight. That's like all that 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:54.000 anybody wants. That's what Fremont Street is for. But yeah, 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:57.319 I mean there's the d theming has been happening, particularly 0:09:57.320 --> 0:10:01.960 with the MGM properties. The Monte Carlo shut down I 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:05.560 think sometime last year or maybe even back as far 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:08.920 as eighteen and now it is Park MGM, So it's 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:12.000 just like blandly fancy MGM. I mean, at least they 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:15.880 didn't tear down the Monte Carlo like they just rebranded 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:18.079 it because it wasn't that distinctive of a building or 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:20.760 a structure and not like a pyramid or something. But 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:26.240 but yeah, this rumor has been posted on vital Vegas, 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:30.040 which is like a Las Vegas insider blog. Uh and 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:35.319 the writer is Scott Robin and he said, um, he said, 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:37.559 And this is all according to insiders. But the company 0:10:37.600 --> 0:10:39.640 has long felt its hands are typed by the distinctive 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:43.959 but limiting Egyptian theme of a lux Or and UH. 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:48.120 Company officials have discussed demolition of both Alux lux Or 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:50.400 and ex Caliber for at least five years, but have 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:53.760 been unable to proceed due to union contracts, and it's 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:56.240 possible that the COVID nineteen shutdown has paved the way 0:10:56.280 --> 0:11:01.000 for what's to come for lux Or. So everybody likes 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:03.880 lux Or here at night call. I've only been to 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:06.240 Las Vegas one time, but if you guys like it, 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:09.679 I do. I mean, they shoot a beam into space 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:13.800 that you can see from space. Yeah, why would you give? 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:18.560 And it attracts all the bats they die on the beam. 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:22.920 Uh yeah, it's I mean it's so. I mean the 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:26.320 inside of of of lux Or is one thing. There 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:28.880 are some things that obviously feel like I mean tacking 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:30.920 a lovely way in a way that I love. But like, 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:33.800 as far as thinking about what like investors and money 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:37.240 Vegas people think, the structure of the luxe Or just 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:42.600 feels timeless to me. It's so cool. It's just undeniably awesome. 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:45.600 And I just don't know why you would it would 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:49.360 get like it's it's a structure that defies logic like 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:51.360 you have to have a special elevator to go up 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:54.000 and down it. It should be protected as a historical, 0:11:54.280 --> 0:12:00.000 like architecturally significant building. I think, um, but they don't 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:03.320 care about such things in since city. If you have 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:06.760 any pyramid sightings you'd like to call in about for 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:10.600 our new segment Pyramid Pals, Yes, leave us a night 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:13.440 call it to four oh four six night with the 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:17.280 details of your pyramid sighting. Also, if anyone has been 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:19.800 to the pyramids in Egypt, I would love to hear 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:22.880 about that. Please do call in about that. I've always 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:26.640 wanted to go. Yeah, number one dream destination. But if 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:29.520 we can't get to Egypt, I would also accept the 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:35.400 Bass Pyramid in Memphis. Yeah, the best pro pro shop. Yeah. 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:38.400 So we're going to take a quick break and when 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:41.880 we come back, it's all night calls, all the time. 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:54.360 Stay tuned. We are back and we're going to take 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:57.800 a night call about the Q and on Pipeline a 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:02.480 night call. I have a story about an old roommate 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:07.959 who pretty much the bill for the Hippy Dippy to 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:13.840 Q and on Pipeline in college. Um, I'd say like 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:18.240 probably the most I guess behindsight is twenty but she 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:21.880 was always very much like a chameleon, so she kind 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:26.199 of adapted to whatever group of people we were around. 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:31.000 But after college we kind of lost touch. And then 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:36.120 like within the span of two years, she had moved 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:40.440 from Miami to Costa Rica with a man who's like 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:44.440 double her age, had a baby with him, was like 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:49.120 going on yoga retreats in other countries. It was. It 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:53.520 was just a total flip in lifestyle. She's very much 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:58.080 like party girl. And then I follow her on Instagram 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:02.640 and she started posting like obvious the wellness stuff like yoga, 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:07.440 like I don't know, appreciating the earth, like a lot 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:12.560 of stuff about like natural healing, sound healing, um and 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:17.280 like eating raw in organic foods, everything in that arena. 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:23.280 And then she started posting um Instagram stories from an 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:26.320 account called red Till Babe, and I was just like, 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:31.080 oh God, what is this And it's it's just a 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:33.520 full on queue and on account like full of like 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:39.600 anti back stuff, anti masks stuff and save the children, 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:43.840 and yeah, I think it's too late for her. And 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:46.040 I don't know. I go back and forth between like 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:51.320 feeling bad about like me not doing anything about it, 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:53.960 Like could I have helped her and then also like, 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:57.840 is she well meaning? I like, I would like to 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:00.760 think so. I don't know. It's just seems to happen 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:03.040 so fast. It's very crazy. But I can you know, 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:06.240 you guys as well and share links to some of 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:09.680 the YouTube's because they're honestly a little bit. It seems scary. 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:13.360 It's it's just because it's and it's very dangerous. So yeah, 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:16.200 I don't know, it's very conflicting. It's just sad to 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:21.080 see kind of happen before your eyes. Thanks, guys, appreciate 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:24.520 the show so much. I've been loving it past a 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:28.040 couple of months. Thank you, Thank you so much. Yeah, 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:31.680 this sounds pretty classic. That sounds like the what you 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:35.680 were describing Molly, like the Instagram influencer or want to 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:41.560 be influencer who just gets full red pilled somehow. Well, 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:44.960 I think it's really the anti vax thing is sort 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:47.960 of the connection. But also once you bring in save 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:50.560 the children and everybody's like, oh, I want to save 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:53.760 the children. Yeah. I don't know if we've used this 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:58.840 term before, Um I've meant you, but conspiritual is one. 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:03.560 But I weirdly I for a second listening to this, 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:05.480 I was like, are we talking about the same person? 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:07.840 But I think it's a different person. But I also 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:10.800 know someone for a time I don't know, maybe like 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:12.960 five years ago, I knew a few people who moved 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:17.360 down moved to Costa Rica for yoga, as if that 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:20.080 were something a lot of people were doing. But I 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:23.920 guess it was birthplace of yoga Costa Rica. Um. But 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:27.320 they were all kind of, um, like upper middle class 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:30.680 people who were doing yoga as like a full time 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:34.800 job and wanted to go a little bit off the grid. 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:38.480 And we're really drawn to Costa Rica for that reason. Um. 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:41.000 I think all of them moved back after a little while, 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:45.080 but some of them also have um similar kind of 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:48.040 like I don't think anyone I know is bold enough 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:52.720 to go full q and on on the socials, but 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:56.240 um definitely like the anti vax stuff is in there. 0:16:56.960 --> 0:16:59.600 But that makes me wonder if there's some weird community 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:03.120 of yogi's in Costa Rica who are kind of doing 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:05.399 the Q and on thing. I'm very interested in the 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:08.600 kind of like what it is about being in that 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:12.120 kind of community or like subscribing to a certain kind 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:16.359 of lifestyle that just makes you more susceptible to buying 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:19.080 into some of this stuff or just like not critical 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:22.000 about a lot of stuff in a way. I think 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:24.960 it's like you're being open minded in a certain way, 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:30.040 and you know, with a lot of spirituality stuff, it's 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:32.560 like you're opening yourself up to a certain amount of 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:39.080 woo woo stuff. And then who's waiting to tell people 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:42.960 that are getting into that stuff what else is going on? Yeah? 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:46.000 Do you guys think though, that you can ever reason 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:48.240 with a person who's gone? I mean, or do you 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:51.199 think at any point in the evolution of being a 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:55.119 sort of like spiritual person who's dabbling in some weird 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:58.040 ideas and then they end up going full Q and on, 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:00.359 is there any point or any kind of st atgy 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:02.959 you could use to step in along that progression and 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:06.080 say like, hey, I'm your friend, don't do this. There's 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:09.320 been a lot of guides about how to get people 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:12.399 out of Q and on. Jamie Loftus just posting about 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:14.520 this the other day because I think she said she 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:18.160 had some family members who she was trying to get 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:21.720 off the Q and on thing. Um, I do think 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:25.399 it's possible to bring people back, is what I think. 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:27.800 I think the thing to emphasize with a Q and 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:30.400 On person in your life. And I don't have any 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:33.360 that I know of right now, but I think, I mean, 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:35.920 I think the the thing that I have a little 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:38.160 bit of sympathy or empathy for Q and On people 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:41.480 about it is just like, yeah, of course, like people 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:44.240 in power are fucked up and corrupt and are doing 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:47.719 horrible things. It's just like you're so close, you know, 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:51.560 like just like look five inches to the right or something, 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:54.440 and then you know, you'll you'll there is something there, 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:58.240 like your instincts, your broad instincts are correct. It's like 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:01.639 a lack of criticism. It's a back of um, I 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:05.399 think doing your own researching way, although I think probably 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:06.800 a lot of people would say, like I've done a 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:10.040 lot of my own research, but I think to acknowledge 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:16.040 that the overall tendency it is justified is maybe a 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:18.760 good way to start with people, because I think to 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:22.840 just say you're crazy, none of this stuff is true. 0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:26.080 How could you think that? I mean, it's very easy 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:28.679 to imagine how people could think that that's the scary 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:30.679 thing about Q and On. It's for me, I can 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:35.120 totally see, um. God, I was like I was in Iowa. 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:39.159 I started to believe in chim trails for five seconds, like, 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:41.960 it's very easy for me to understand how people go 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:44.800 down this path because I was just like I looked 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:47.880 up and there was just like suddenly so many um 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:50.000 trails in the sky. And I was like, we're in 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:52.199 the middle of Iowa and no planes are flying. There 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:54.600 should not be anything here. How am I seeing like seven? 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:56.040 And then I was just like, Oh, I think they're 0:19:56.040 --> 0:19:58.960 just flying at altitude of particular houses here or whatever. 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:01.280 I think it's really si about Q and on two 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:04.120 is it provides like a universal theory for all these 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:08.879 things where they all go together. Yeah, but it is 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:12.280 also difficult to explain to people because a lot of 0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:15.640 it runs parallel the stuff that is real. Especially when 0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:19.720 the Epstein stuff started coming out. It was like, oh, 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:24.520 there is a secret cabal of pedophiles that have state 0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:29.800 power and are using it to traffic children. But it's 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:32.800 it makes you feel crazy to be like, but it's 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:36.240 not happening out of Comet pizza. I think it's happening 0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:41.800 on a private island. That is terrifying. I think also 0:20:42.200 --> 0:20:45.280 like maybe there's a part of the Q and On 0:20:45.359 --> 0:20:49.840 mindset that's like nobody's willing to acknowledge ship this dark 0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:52.200 But I think maybe you could sell a Q and 0:20:52.280 --> 0:20:54.720 on person on the idea the actual darkest thing is 0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:59.000 that nothing is connected. Like that's the most like hopeless, 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:02.159 desolate place to be. It's just like there is a 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:04.439 lot of bad dark ship happening in the world, and 0:21:04.480 --> 0:21:06.560 a lot of it has nothing to do with each other. 0:21:06.640 --> 0:21:08.760 Like it's just the way that the world is, and 0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:11.640 that sucks, you know. Yeah, I mean I think with 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:14.240 some of these things too, it's like people kind of 0:21:14.280 --> 0:21:18.240 get off on being told that nobody believes them. There's 0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:20.800 something about the like I'm the only one who has 0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:24.320 this secret information and I'm trying to tell other people, 0:21:24.359 --> 0:21:26.800 but they won't listen to me. It also just like 0:21:26.880 --> 0:21:30.440 provides people with a feeling of purpose. We've talked about 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:33.679 how it's almost like a religious thing at this point 0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:37.280 that it doesn't matter whether it's like makes sense or not, 0:21:37.560 --> 0:21:40.960 it's just sort of like a devotion. Yeah, So if 0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:44.480 you can introduce it as like like rebellion against a 0:21:44.600 --> 0:21:49.879 church to to your queue and On friends, maybe maybe 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:52.159 that'll hold some water. Since the entire Q and On 0:21:52.280 --> 0:21:55.560 thing is like what I've been told, you know, is 0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:57.920 all wrong, and I had no idea. My eyes are open. 0:21:57.960 --> 0:22:00.119 Now you can do that again. Within Q and ON. 0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:05.560 I personally don't think I could ever try to convince 0:22:05.600 --> 0:22:09.040 someone that they were wrong about Q and on unless 0:22:09.080 --> 0:22:14.280 they tried to convert me. Um. But that's only because anecdotally, 0:22:14.560 --> 0:22:17.920 I think that there's such I mean, it's right now, 0:22:17.960 --> 0:22:21.520 there's like a logical like people are going on their 0:22:21.560 --> 0:22:24.439 own logic over there, and so it's hard because you 0:22:24.480 --> 0:22:26.600 think that, I don't know. I would be worried that 0:22:26.680 --> 0:22:29.520 by trying to bring someone back from that it would 0:22:29.560 --> 0:22:33.160 almost work against me and make them even more sure 0:22:33.200 --> 0:22:35.199 that they were correct and dig in their heels like 0:22:35.240 --> 0:22:38.280 I almost think that kind of saying like, oh that 0:22:38.359 --> 0:22:41.320 doesn't interest me, but like you do you? I mean, 0:22:41.440 --> 0:22:44.040 is is that irresponsible to let someone fall off their 0:22:44.080 --> 0:22:46.960 own cliff in that way? Weren't you saying you explained 0:22:46.960 --> 0:22:48.760 it to your neighbor who didn't know what it was? 0:22:49.640 --> 0:22:53.439 So the other I love my neighbors so much. Um my, uh, 0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:56.040 my neighbors are older and they don't use the internet, 0:22:56.160 --> 0:22:59.159 and they like to call and talk about politics and 0:22:59.280 --> 0:23:01.639 we agree on more things. But um, Yeah. My neighbor 0:23:01.840 --> 0:23:03.840 had never heard of Q and on and so I 0:23:04.640 --> 0:23:07.440 took about twenty minutes to explain it to her, and 0:23:07.720 --> 0:23:10.560 she was she could not believe that a single person 0:23:10.600 --> 0:23:12.720 on planet Earth would believe it, and I was like, 0:23:12.800 --> 0:23:16.119 not a lot of people do uh. And then we 0:23:16.160 --> 0:23:17.520 had a good laugh. And then I got off the 0:23:17.520 --> 0:23:20.000 phone and I was like, oh god, oh no, this 0:23:20.040 --> 0:23:24.359