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Speaker 2: The Michael Verie Show is on the air.

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Speaker 3: Several years ago, Cheryl Atkinson hew It at the time,

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Speaker 3: to her and she wrote a book about it, and

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Speaker 3: in fact, we invited her to Houston.

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Speaker 2: She came out to the RCC.

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Speaker 3: Listeners came out and bought her book, loved it, and

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Speaker 3: we have watched her grow from being an award winning

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Speaker 3: be afraid of big Pharma, going to be afraid of

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Speaker 3: big government. And she is fearless, which, as you folks know,

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Speaker 3: is the ultimate compliment I give someone. She is back

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Speaker 3: have her on. I am an unabashed, unashamed fanboy. I

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Speaker 3: think she is the BEA's knees. She is wonderful. The

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Speaker 3: book is called Follow the Science, How Big Pharma Misleads,

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Speaker 3: obscures and Prevails. Our guest is Sheryl Exison. Welcome to

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Speaker 3: the program, Lunch Talk.

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Speaker 1: I still remember, so finally our time there with that

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Speaker 3: I really think it was the one thing that made

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Speaker 1: It was we went on the New York Times bestseller

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Speaker 3: I noticed the back of your book has praise from

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Speaker 3: Michael Schellenberger, Megan Kelly, who I Doore, Jason Chaffitz, Paul Thacker,

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Speaker 2: But there's no Michael Berry on there. I'm not mad.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 1: I would love to have had a blurb from Michael Barry.

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Speaker 2: I know what only you can say, Michael Barry, thanks

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Speaker 2: to the World of View. And this is a great

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Speaker 3: Okay, so let's talk about the book, because you are

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Speaker 2: You go where the facts lead you.

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Speaker 3: How big pharma misleads, obscures and prevails. How do they

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Speaker 3: do that? And toward what end? And who helps them

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Speaker 2: What I think?

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Speaker 1: What's so important is the people listening understand that we've

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Speaker 1: as a society. And our doctors, Michael, they seem like

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about that medical establishment, because my doctor, doctor

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Speaker 1: Well. People probably already know something of the fact that

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Speaker 1: It literally says there are no side effects reported, and

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Speaker 2: It is so overpowering, it is final, so oppressive to

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Speaker 3: It troubles me deep in my soul that there are

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Speaker 1: I absolutely do. But I guess that's what makes me

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Speaker 1: Like you're talking about the doctors that were so sheepish

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Speaker 2: Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

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Speaker 3: guest to Cheryl Akison, will continue our conversation with her.

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Speaker 2: The book is Follow the Science. More coming up you.

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Speaker 3: Got Michael Berry's award winning reporter, New York Times bestselling author, Fearless, Fearless,

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Speaker 2: Cheryl Akison is our guest.

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Speaker 3: Her new book will hit bookstands in just a few days.

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Speaker 3: It's called Follow the Science. How Big Pharma misleads, obscures

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Speaker 2: How much of what Robert F. Kennedy, Junr.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know that it's untrue your thoughts.

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Speaker 3: That's a pretty ringing endorsement. I want to go through

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Speaker 3: The book is called Follow the Science, How Big Pharma Misleads,

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Speaker 3: Obscures and Prevails by Cheryl Atkinson, Chapter one, Down the

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Speaker 1: Well, I wanted people to come along with me because

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that tells a lot. I mean, for

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Speaker 1: sale tells a lot about how these nonprofits and these

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Speaker 1: independently on these issues smacking down people who question things

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Speaker 1: how they are connected to the vaccine industry financially in

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Speaker 1: ways that you often don't see or that they may

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Speaker 1: not disclose.

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Speaker 3: Chapter nine along came COVID. Well, this was the wake

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Speaker 3: up call for a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: Well, I love this.

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Speaker 3: I did.

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Speaker 1: Even though most of this book is not about COVID,

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Speaker 1: A lot of that's been done. Well, I did attack

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Speaker 1: a lot of specific things in a couple of chapters

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Speaker 1: about COVID and I love I'll just read just the

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Speaker 2: Is that all right? Because I love I love At

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Speaker 2: the beginning of this chapter.

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Speaker 1: When President Joe Biden got COVID twice in July of

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Speaker 1: twenty two, his second and third known COVID infections and

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Speaker 1: by the way, Michael, he's had another one since I

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Speaker 1: wrote the book, he became the most public living symbol

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Speaker 1: of the lapses, confusion and government misinformation, but mark America's

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Speaker 1: long COVID nightmare. Biden, along with top advisor Fauci, had

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Speaker 1: a pfisor doctor Albert Borla, and CDC director doctor Rachelle Olinsky,

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Speaker 1: had all insisted the vaccines would prevent COVID. By the

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Speaker 1: end of October twenty two, they counted at least nineteen

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Speaker 1: shots among them and nine bouts with COVID. So it's

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Speaker 1: just I mean, this is the way you get into

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Speaker 1: the debacle and the misinformation that involved COVID, along with

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Speaker 1: math tricks that people use to try to make the

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Speaker 1: truth obscured, how the government miscounted COVID, and how states

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Speaker 1: miscounted COVID and misclassified infections and so on.

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Speaker 3: Cheryl Ackison is our guest. The book is followed with Science.

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Speaker 3: It will be available in a couple of days. More

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Speaker 3: with her coming up Locking Love. Can You guys, Michael,

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Speaker 3: we're talking to Cheryl Atkinson, the author of the book

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Speaker 3: Follow the Science. She's an investigativejournalist with unassailable ethics and

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Speaker 3: a fearless pursuit of the truth, which has cost her

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Speaker 3: professionally and personally. And it gets really dark what has

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Speaker 3: been done to her over the years, and yet she

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Speaker 3: just keeps on fighting. Chapter ten of the book, which

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Speaker 3: I hope you will buy and more importantly read and share,

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Speaker 3: is called following the Money with COVID Treatments.

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Speaker 2: What's that about?

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Speaker 1: Well, I dig into the facts about hydroxychloroquin and ivermectin

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Speaker 1: which were controversialized and most people may think it was

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Speaker 1: proven that those things don't work, or one or the

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Speaker 1: other doesn't work.

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Speaker 2: Not true.

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Speaker 1: We look at the hard data and the money interests

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Speaker 1: make really virtually no money for anybody because they've turned generic.

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Speaker 2: And re available.

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Speaker 1: So I'm digging into that with hard data and also

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Speaker 1: talking to some of the independent researchers who are looking

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Speaker 1: in to these drugs and having much success with them

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Speaker 1: until the government stuck its nose into things.

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Speaker 3: Chapter eleven CDC the centers for data concoction. Well, when

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Speaker 3: we can't trust the experts, this is where it gets disturbing,

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Speaker 3: isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, to this day, the most stunning thing is

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Speaker 1: nobody's been held accountable. There's no doubt they pushed out

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Speaker 1: intentional misinformation as well as potentially unintentional misinformation. And the

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Speaker 1: only thing that's happened in terms of oversight is hearings

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Speaker 1: where nothing came of them, and the government has given

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Speaker 1: them Congress more money, budget increases every year. So I

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Speaker 1: think that's scary. We talk here about all the mistakes

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Speaker 1: they made, even a list of the statistical errors that

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Speaker 1: they made to make COVID seem more dangerous, particularly in children,

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Speaker 1: than it was as they were trying to pump up

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Speaker 1: the vaccine that was about to be approved for children.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they were exaggerating risks through data mistakes, in

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Speaker 1: some cases by hundreds or thousands of times. There's no

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Speaker 1: excuse for this in our supposed top based scientific health agency.

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Speaker 2: So true.

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Speaker 3: Chapter twelve, and this is one of those that I

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Speaker 3: think will blow people's minds, and they some people don't

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Speaker 3: want to know it. It's too scary. COVID origins.

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Speaker 1: You know. My book editor said that too, and so

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Speaker 1: did the lawyer who reviewed the books.

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Speaker 2: She said, I didn't know this, so.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad I put it in there because this has

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Speaker 1: all been knowledge I've published and had for quite some time.

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Speaker 1: But clearly not everybody seesan knows this. The COVID oranges

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Speaker 1: origins are well established and have long been well established

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Speaker 1: to have come from ani man manipulated virus. The government

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Speaker 1: knew that within the early months of us learning about

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Speaker 1: COVID and came from Wuhan, China, no doubt about that.

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Speaker 1: In the minds of the people that have looked at

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Speaker 1: this inside the government, at the places where they don't

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Speaker 1: speak publicly of it, because one of them told me

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Speaker 1: for fear of appearing to contradict doctor Fauci. I also

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Speaker 1: follow the money and draw the lines between the government

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Speaker 1: grants that Fauci and other government agencies, not just his

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Speaker 1: gay for this controversial research with the Communist Chinese, where

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Speaker 1: we know that every bit of research they do has

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Speaker 1: a civilian application but also a military application. That's how

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Speaker 1: it works. It's just outrageous, according to scientists I interview,

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Speaker 1: that we ever cut a deal with China on these things.

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Speaker 1: And basically we make the case showing the grants that

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Speaker 1: occurred that we did fund so called gain of function research,

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Speaker 1: that doctor Fauci and others were directly linked, so that

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Speaker 1: as they were debunking or trying to debunk the ties

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Speaker 1: with the COVID lab that we funded, they were not

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Speaker 1: disclosing their own personal interest in it, and they were

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Speaker 1: working behind the scenes, as you'll see, to put out

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Speaker 1: scientific literature and all kinds of propaganda that deflected in

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Speaker 1: a different direction without disclosing their own conflict of interest.

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Speaker 2: Chapter thirteen, The Amish approach, well.

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Speaker 1: Maybe one of my favorite chapters, how the Amish ignored

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Speaker 1: all the CDC recommendations and fared no worse. In fact,

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Speaker 1: most would argue they fared better than the rest of

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Speaker 1: the country in terms of the toll taken by COVID

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Speaker 1: and made more money as a society than they ever

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Speaker 1: had because they stayed open. And as a little addendum,

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Speaker 1: a study was put out fatterly funded. After I did

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Speaker 1: a story on this, visiting the Omish in Pennsylvania and

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Speaker 1: showing this, a study was put out that I believe

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Speaker 1: was designed to debunk or disparage the notion that the

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Speaker 1: amish did well. I challenged the study. There were so

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Speaker 1: many flaws with it. Government would not turn over the

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Speaker 1: notes to say who was behind it and what the

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Speaker 1: communication said. But a year later, and in fact this

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Speaker 1: is after the book was published, I just got this

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Speaker 1: information a couple of days ago. The journal that published

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Speaker 1: that bad study trying to claim the homage didn't benefit

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Speaker 1: based on my challenge, has issued a bunch of corrections

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Speaker 1: to that article that maybe people won't see. But I'm

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Speaker 1: glad that you know. It took a year that I

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Speaker 1: forced corrections in the article. What I'd really love to

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Speaker 1: know in this study. What I really love to know

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Speaker 1: is who's behind it, because I suspect the government uses

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Speaker 1: our taxpayer money to fund studies as propaganda and often

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Speaker 1: sends it to private universities like Columbia that then say

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Speaker 1: they're not subject to FOYA even though we paid for

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Speaker 1: the study, and we can't see who is really behind

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Speaker 1: the propaganda of the study that has flaws and problems

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Speaker 1: with it.

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Speaker 3: Teaching to the choir Chapter fourteen, Medicine on the take, Well,

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Speaker 3: that's how.

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Speaker 1: I talk about the merk manuals that the med school

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Speaker 1: students learn from. But I also go into the continuing

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Speaker 1: medical education classes that professional doctors once they enter the field.

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Speaker 1: They're also taught the pharmaceutical industry in ways that they

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Speaker 1: don't question. They go to these classes or they tune

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Speaker 1: in online to take these mandatory classes to keep their licenses,

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Speaker 1: and they're taught by doctors who give their academic affiliations

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Speaker 1: and professional affiliations and usually don't announce. They're all connected

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Speaker 1: to the drug companies and the vaccine makers, and they

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Speaker 1: give information that is either incomplete or hopelessly slanted. So

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Speaker 1: I have evidence of proof of that in this chapter.

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Speaker 3: The next chapter is chapter fifteen, New Warning Signs.

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Speaker 1: This looks ahead at some reporting I'm doing on long COVID,

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Speaker 1: ongoing COVID injuries and long VACS vaccine injuries, even if

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Speaker 1: you weren't injured at the time by the vaccine the

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Speaker 1: spike protein. These independent researchers say that COVID gives you

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Speaker 1: or that is made by the vaccine is turning to

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Speaker 1: be problematic probably for three quarters of the people they

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Speaker 1: know of so far who've had COVID or a vaccine,

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Speaker 1: which is pretty much everybody. And it's pretty scary, I guess,

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Speaker 1: as in the good news is these independent doctors are

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Speaker 1: figuring out ways to treat it. Unfortunately, if you go

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Speaker 1: to your regular doctor, as so many people that I've

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Speaker 1: interviewed have with these weird maladies, they don't know what

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Speaker 1: to look for. The test they do won't show up

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Speaker 1: these problems because they don't know what to look for,

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Speaker 1: and they're not getting educated, and they'll tell you either

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Speaker 1: nothing's wrong with you, or maybe you have MS. A

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Speaker 1: lot of these people are being told that this stuff

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Speaker 1: can be treated and fixed, and some doctors are working

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Speaker 1: to do that and are teaching other doctors. So that's

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Speaker 1: the good news, but it's something that everybody's going to

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Speaker 1: be grappling with.

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Speaker 3: My brother and otherwise very healthy fifty four year old

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Speaker 3: police officer died shortly after taking the COVID quote unquote vaccine,

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Speaker 3: as did a number of police officers they were given

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Speaker 3: the Johnson and Johnson. He was required to take it

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Speaker 3: and didn't want to and died And they can't figure

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Speaker 3: out why. And I am furious about it, as you

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Speaker 3: might imagine. I know we're out of time. My dear

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Speaker 3: Cheryl Atkinson follow the science by the book Folks, How

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Speaker 3: Big Pharma Misleads obscures and prevails.

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Speaker 2: Always a pleasure. Thank you for doing what you do.

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Speaker 1: Say thanks Michael so much. Take care,