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Speaker 1: Welcomeberg Gang on today's show. The need for more playmakers.

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Speaker 1: It's something that's been discussed since the season ended, and

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Speaker 1: we'll dive more into it here. Looking specifically at the

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Speaker 1: wide receiver position, there's DeAndre Hopkins and then who good question,

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Speaker 1: much like when we talk cornerbacks, finding a pass catcher

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Speaker 1: or two to pair with Hopkins should be addressed in

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Speaker 1: both free agency and the draft. But first, when the

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Speaker 1: owner speaks, everyone listens. Its Cardinals Cover two episode at

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Speaker 1: three ninety five, and it starts now. Welcome to Cardinals

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Speaker 1: Cover two with Craig Grigolew and Mike Jarecki. Cardinals Cover

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Speaker 1: Cardinals and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. Visit Acy Cardinals dot

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Speaker 1: com slash podcast. Murray rolls to the right, throws to

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Speaker 1: your site of fitz pot. He's into the ends. After

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Speaker 1: the touchdown. Here's Craig Griolu and Mike Jarecki. So a

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Speaker 1: bit of good news to begin with MJ. There is

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Speaker 1: more money to spend, not a lot, but very for

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Speaker 1: every little bit, I should say counts as free agency approaches.

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Speaker 1: In case the bird Gang might have missed it. The

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Speaker 1: league told teams that the salary cap floor has been

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Speaker 1: raised from one hundred and seventy five million to one

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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty million. Owner Michael Bidwell confirmed that figure

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Speaker 1: earlier on ninety eight seven FM Erros on a sports station.

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Speaker 1: There's a possibility that number could still be adjusted. Remember,

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Speaker 1: teams operated with a cap of one hundred and ninety

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Speaker 1: eight million for twenty twenty, and in a normal offseason

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Speaker 1: and sixty five days. Here's what Michael had to say,

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Speaker 1: and then MJ I want to get your thoughts. Quote,

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Speaker 1: we've got to ram a lot more salary into that

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Speaker 1: salary cap. It's going to be difficult for every team

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Speaker 1: And when you look at that, Craig, I mean you're

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Speaker 1: physical with him. I'm glad you brought up Sean Jefferson,

429
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 1: the new wide receivers coach. We had a chance to

430
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,400
Speaker 1: hear from him earlier this week. Now, to be fair,

431
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:43,640
Speaker 1: he was asked certainly about Isabella Johnson, and will include

432
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 1: Christian Kirk in this conversation as well. But and his

433
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,920
Speaker 1: words talking about coach Jefferson quote, I'm in the evaluation

434
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:55,200
Speaker 1: process right now. I'm looking forward to working with those guys.

435
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 1: So no real specific answers or assessments from him about

436
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 1: those three young players. But sometimes maybe and this is

437
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 1: what the Cardinals i think are hoping because this is

438
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 1: the only change on the coaching step. This is the

439
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 1: only new face on the offensive side. That's John Jefferson

440
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 1: can a new voice, new teacher if you will, kind

441
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 1: of get that light bulb to turn on for a Kirk,

442
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 1: Isabella and Johnson. And again we spoke very highly of

443
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:27,920
Speaker 1: David Ry and you know he was a guy that

444
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury had a prior relationship with him, and they

445
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 1: decided to move on. And Jerry Sullivan seventy years old,

446
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: and so you know, sometimes you get a different voice.

447
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 1: And Jerry's he's really a technician. I mean when he

448
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 1: came back, he told Larry he was leaning a little

449
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 1: bit forward on his routes and Larry made the adjustment.

450
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 1: So he's good from an outside perspective, but to be

451
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 1: in in the meeting rooms and you know there's gonna

452
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,719
Speaker 1: be some tough love. I mean when you come out

453
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 1: and say this is a talented wide receiver group, well,

454
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 1: Peberry want to see you back that up. So you know,

455
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,639
Speaker 1: sometimes you only good as the players on the field,

456
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Speaker 1: But obviously I think a different voices are gonna go

457
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: a long way. And you know I didn't let you

458
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 1: know some of the other media. We're asking questions the

459
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 1: beat writers and you know a lot of times Darren

460
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 1: or Powell last something I was going to ask, And

461
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: the only thing I would ask is when you come

462
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 1: in here, do these guys get a clean canvas? You know,

463
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 1: you hear, you see the film, you know what you

464
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 1: can work on. But if you give a clean canvas

465
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 1: to where I'm gonna judge you on from here on out.

466
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna you know, I know the film, I

467
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 1: know what people are saying in the building, but I'm

468
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: gonna give you a clean canvas. And I think that

469
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 1: will go a long way where they don't feel the

470
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: pressure like Okay, yes, I get to hit the reset button.

471
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 1: It doesn't happen a lot in the NFL. It doesn't

472
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 1: happen a lot. But I just think a different voice

473
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 1: and a former player and a guy that was played

474
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 1: in two Super Bowls and has a good rapport around

475
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: players around the league. I think that can go a

476
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 1: long way. The only thing I'll say to that, though,

477
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 1: is coach Jefferson could give them a new slate, a

478
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 1: new reset. I just don't know if the organization, at

479
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 1: least in that front office when you're looking as we

480
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: we talked about two three years down the prode I mean,

481
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 1: right now, this might be it for those three and

482
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 1: you know that. I think that's a fair thing to

483
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: say with respects too. Are they on this team? Are

484
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: they a part of this team going into twenty twenty two?

485
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 1: You know, if they perform, then the answer is yes.

486
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 1: If they don't, then you need to move on. Because

487
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 1: as we've seen around the National Football League. It's one

488
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: thing to say your patient, it's another thing to actually

489
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: be patient. And we've seen teams are just not patient

490
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: in this day and age, and I would agree with that. Now,

491
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: I gotta I have a hard time thinking they would

492
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 1: cut Kirk Isabella and Keishaw Johnson. They don't have a

493
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: lot of debt and we haven't even gotten a Trench

494
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 1: Serfield and I don't know why he's not getting reps.

495
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 1: We know he's obviously a special teams guy, and that

496
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,479
Speaker 1: was probably the reason why Isabella and Keishawn Johnson were out,

497
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 1: because he was that fourth receiver or fifth and they

498
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: were trying to incorporate Dan Arnold, Chase Evans Moore in

499
00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 1: the passing game. So yeah, it's no guarantees they got

500
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: to make the roster, but the way to the roster

501
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: looks right now. I think you're going to get every

502
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: opportunity to show their upside. Well, let's talk about Trent Sherfield,

503
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: because I know you've been big on him for a

504
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: number of seasons and he's a restricted free agent. I

505
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,679
Speaker 1: don't see him going anywhere just because of his value

506
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: on special teams first, and foremost, and that's where he

507
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 1: has made his mark so far. It's where he will

508
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 1: continue to make his mark. Knock on wood and I

509
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: think has found a home. The question is is every

510
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: player on special teams wants a role on offense or defense.

511
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: They want to do more. And we saw what Dennis

512
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: Gardeck could do when given that opportunity. Is it time

513
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: now for Sherfield, who did have five catches for fifty

514
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: yards this past season, and in fact did start Week

515
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: seventeen when both Larry Fitzgerald and Christian Kirk were not available.

516
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 1: Is this year where the Cardinals say, look, we like

517
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 1: what you do on special teams, Let's really see what

518
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 1: you're able to do. If we invest more time in

519
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 1: you as a wide receiver. It's gonna put a lot

520
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 1: on Surefield to do both, because I don't see special

521
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: teams coordinator Jeff Rogers saying, hey, I can't afford to

522
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: lose him on my side of the field, so maybe

523
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: you're doing double duty. It's difficult, but it has been

524
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: done before, and I would be interested and curious to

525
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: see if you gave Surefield more of an opportunity as

526
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 1: a wide receiver what he would do with that opportunity.

527
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 1: I think that's twish will thinking because you know, clubs

528
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 1: been here a couple of years and they just they

529
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 1: haven't valued him as a receiver. And there's a reason

530
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: why they went out and brought in Crabtree, and you know,

531
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: they brought in Kevin White. Then they drafted three guys

532
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: a year ago. So I I mean, I can't speak

533
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: for them. I don't watch practice. I just know that

534
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: I don't think they value him as a receiver as

535
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 1: much as they do a special teams player. And I think,

536
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 1: you know, curious to see what the restrict that number

537
00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: will be. Unfortunately for him, he's carriage and special teams

538
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 1: like Dennis Gardnick has a Zegel turner, and we've seen

539
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 1: other guys in the past. Hopefully, I mean, Weaver can

540
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: you know, get an active on the roster. So I'm

541
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: treating with him as a player. So I'm not sucking

542
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: guessing them, But I just feel like if there was

543
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 1: an opportunity last year, Isabella was struggling and you know

544
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: Keishawn missing some time and the way Kirk was out,

545
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 1: that would have been a golden opportunity to put him

546
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: out there. I think when you go for wide. He's

547
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: he's my top I would say he's the fourth receiver. Yeah,

548
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: it's that's true. It's it's it's a good assessment on

549
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: your part that you know, if it hasn't happened already,

550
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 1: why would it happen going forward? But it was see

551
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: something that he's kind of got lost in the shuffle.

552
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: Other players to consider, And these are five players that

553
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: have been signed to futures contracts. Some are familiar names,

554
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: Rico Gafford, Chris Shawn Hogan, AJ Richardson, Jojo Ward, and

555
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: Isaac Whitney. Hogan, Richardson, Ward and Whitney were all on

556
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: the practice squad this past season. In fact, Richardson ended

557
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: the season on practice squad injured reserve. And he's kind

558
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: of more of one of those speed players. And then Gafford,

559
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: just looking at some of his numbers, you know, three

560
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: seasons in the league, but only played eight games with

561
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: the Raiders, five ten, a buck eighty three. Curious to

562
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: see him one how he fits. But all of these

563
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: players that I just mentioned, with the exception of Hogan,

564
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: who comes in at six three two seventeen, they all

565
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: seem to be slot guys. I mean the shorter, lighter

566
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: receivers that would appear to have be more effective inside,

567
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: and you already brought it up that they're kind of

568
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: they're a little bit overloaded at that position. We've watched

569
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: a j. Richardson over the last couple of years. I mean,

570
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: he's kind of built like Bolden. I'm not comparing, I'm

571
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: just saying size wise, he's very thick. I think Jojo

572
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: Ward could be an outside guy. He's five nine, one

573
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: seventy five. He's fast. I was really intrigued with him

574
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: in training camp. And again, when you draft three receivers

575
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: and you still have Kirk and Larry and you bringing Hopkins,

576
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: that really wasn't a role for him. And maybe he

577
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: could be your kick returner or punt returner if Chase

578
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: becomes your your featured running back. So I'm intrigued with

579
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: Joe Joe Award. You know, he was on he ended

580
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: the season on the practice squad, and again he's gonna

581
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: have to play on teams. He could be a gunner.

582
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: Maybe he possibly, but he's not He's not the biggest guy.

583
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: But you look at Serfield, he's six one two nineteen.

584
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: Where you look at Ward, he's five nine seventy five,

585
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: as you pointed out on our prep sheet. So again,

586
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: the more the merrier. But I do think the draft

587
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: and free agency, and I don't think they're going to

588
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: go out and spend money on these some of these

589
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: guys in free agency with the top names. But and

590
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: then there's also the draft, and Cardinal's in a good

591
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: spot at sixteen, whether they moved on or not, and

592
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: maybe they go best available player. You know, I'm big

593
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: into the trenches. But if there's a receiver out there

594
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: and you think he's a number two or he could be, um,

595
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: that's how we talk about it. I mean, watch the

596
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, look at the playmakers on the field, and

597
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: maybe you can go back to the conference championship games

598
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: in the division rounds. You got to have weapons. And

599
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: right now they they got a number one wide receiver

600
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: in a bunch of two and a half trees and fours.

601
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: And you know, and I think that Fitch should be

602
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: more targeted if he does come back. Before we get

603
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: into free agency and draft prospects. As far as a

604
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: window into how the Cardinals might answer what you just

605
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: brought up, as far as that receiver next to Hopkins,

606
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: let's touch on Hopkins here for a moment. Everyone knows

607
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: about his numbers and what he was able to accomplish

608
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: this past season. In fact, Sean Jefferson, that was the

609
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: one player that new wide receivers coach John Jefferson was

610
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: familiar with and I think everyone is familiar with. He

611
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: called him talking about Hopkins a phenomenal talent, a generational talent,

612
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: and one of maybe the only wide receivers playing today

613
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: that Jefferson could compare to Calvin Johnson, who he coached

614
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: when he was with the Detroit Lions. Now that's head

615
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: he praised right there. But when you look at Hopkins's

616
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: numbers as far as how they rank with the top

617
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: wide receivers in the league, and I went back and looked,

618
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: because Hopkins was a second team All Pro, he was

619
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: not happy with that. But Davante Adams, Tyreek Hill, and

620
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs where your three wide receivers that made first

621
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: team All Pro. And Hopkins is pretty consistent with those

622
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: guys as far as touchdowns, yards per catch, yards after catch,

623
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: and then catches the twenty plush yards and forty plus yards.

624
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: But when you look at those numbers individually and where

625
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: they rank, well, Hopkins is twenty ninth in the league

626
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: in touchdowns, fifty fourth in yards per catch, seventy fourth

627
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: in yards after catch. But it's I look back at

628
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: how Hopkins ranked with the other number one wide receivers,

629
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: the elite of the elite, if you will, and he's

630
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: right there. So I have no qualms whatsoever about Hopkins. Yeah,

631
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: I think you'd like to see him in the end

632
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: zone more. I think everyone would. But what he has done,

633
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: whether he practices or not, you can't argue with his production,

634
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: whether big picture or you really break it down to

635
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: what he did on a week to week basis when

636
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: you look at the numbers that you did the research

637
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: on it, I think it's fair to point out, you know,

638
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: because earlier in this season, the Cardinals were throwing that

639
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: bubble screen and he was getting yards after catch, and

640
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: we know that. You know, towards the end of the year,

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Speaker 1: they were moving them around. He was in the slot,

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Speaker 1: he was running some slant routes. But when you start,

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00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: you know, my thing is and again, putting up fifteen

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Speaker 1: hundred yards is impressive. You know, he was second with

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Speaker 1: seven one hundred yard receiving games. He had the second

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Speaker 1: most targets. But when I look at these wide receivers

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Speaker 1: over the last three years, and of course this is

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Speaker 1: only hops first year. You know, Davante Addams has thirty

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Speaker 1: six touchdowns, Tyreek Hill thirty four, Adam Feeling twenty nine,

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00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: Mike Evans twenty nine, Tyler Lockett twenty eight, Travis Kelsey

651
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Speaker 1: twenty six, Kelvin Ridley, who's a young player, twenty six,

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00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: and Hopkins at twenty four. So I want to see

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Speaker 1: more touchdowns from Hopkins. I mean, I get it. The

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Speaker 1: fifteen hundred yards and I can't tell you how many

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Speaker 1: first downs he got and how many times he was

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Speaker 1: targeted in the red zone, and that's what you want

657
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: from your number one wide receiver. But just some more

658
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: touchdowns and I'll take thirteen hundred yards. Second most catches

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Speaker 1: for Hopkins as far as catches that resulted in a

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Speaker 1: first down, so seventy five is one hundred and fifteen

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00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: catches got a first down. Moved the sticks, if you will,

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00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: And that is really doing a deep dive here, because

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Speaker 1: when you just look at where Hopkins ranks as far

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Speaker 1: as yards per catch, it's not good. As we talked about,

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Speaker 1: It's fifty fourth you'd certainly like to see him average

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Speaker 1: more than twelve point two. But in comparison to a

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00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:50,280
Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs, that's better than Diggs, it's better than Adams.

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00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: And then yards after catch four point five nine. That

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Speaker 1: ranks seventy fourth, But that is a number that's better

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Speaker 1: than Diggs, who we all consider to be among the elite,

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00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 1: if not the best wide receiver and the game. So

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00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: because these guys catch so many footballs, when you divide

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Speaker 1: the number of catches by you know, per game or

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00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: per reception, as far as the yards that they're gaining,

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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, I think it's gets skewed

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Speaker 1: a little bit. But that's why I like, you know,

677
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: if you need to first down where you're looking. Typically

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00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: for the Cardinals, MG, that was always number eleven. Now

679
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: I think we're seeing that torch passed. Now when Kyler

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00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: Murray needed to make a big play, he's looking in

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Speaker 1: the direction at number ten. And DeAndre Hopkins more times

682
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: than not moved the sticks for the Arizona Cardinals. DeAndre

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00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 1: Hopkins one hundred and fifty receptions one drop, one drop

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Speaker 1: on the ear. Now you start looking at you know,

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Speaker 1: some of the deep passes. You know he had now

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00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: deep passes. It's always subjective, I guess fluid when am

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00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 1: I talking over fifteen yards or twenty or twenty five.

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00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: But according to Pro Football Focus, he was targeted thirteen

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00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: times on d passes, Kirk nineteen and it was interesting

690
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: his chase Evans, it was average in six one six

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00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 1: yards yards after catch, where as you pointed out Hopkins

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00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: similar to Diggs and Davante Adams, who are you number

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Speaker 1: one receivers in the league? Hop was at four or five,

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00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: Kirk was at three eight, and Larry was at three four.

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00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: So you know, that was one thing that we started

696
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: talking about mid season. They get in separation. But I

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00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: think when we go back to the Miami game, in

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00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: the New England game, they did a much better job

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00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: protecting the edges and anytime Hopkins caught one of those

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00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: bubble screens, they tackled them, and so the Cardinals weren't

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00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: able to get yards after catch. But for the most part,

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00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: when he started moving Hopkins around, that's ringing the yards

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Speaker 1: after catching. How I feel, whether it was Joe Montana

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00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: who you grew up watching, or Steve young on, John

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00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,439
Speaker 1: Taylor and Jerry Rice, you throw that little slant pass.

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00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he has to speed, but he's agile

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Speaker 1: enough to get in the open field and somebody's gonna

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Speaker 1: have to chase them down. So I like the fact

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00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: that they're moving them around because you've got to create

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00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: matchups for other guys on offense. Cardinals did make a

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00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: wise move in the offseason to acquire DeAndre Hopkins, but

712
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: as we've talked now, he can't do it by himself.

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00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: He needs help, and how do the Cardinals get him

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00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: some help? Get Kyler Murray some help. As far as

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00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: this passing offense, which ranks seventeenth in the league this

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00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: past season, that's a number that certainly needs to be

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00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: better before we get out of that. A reminder that

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00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: team can improve it's wide receiver position free agency for

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Speaker 1: the draft. Let's first touch briefly on free agents because

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Speaker 1: I know, as we discussed the start of the show,

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Speaker 1: it's not our money. The Bird gang doesn't care. They

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00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: just want to see results on the field on Sundays,

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Speaker 1: you look at the top free agents, Chris Godwin, Alan Robinson,

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Speaker 1: Kenny Galladay, Will Fuller. Those are guys that are going

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Speaker 1: to get paid this Officelyson, regardless of the salary cap.

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Speaker 1: And I just don't know if that's in the budget

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Speaker 1: of the Cardinals this year. Well, considering you know, you've

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00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: got Hopkins on a contract for the next what is it,

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00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 1: three to four years, it's not an extension. And one

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Speaker 1: thing to point out Godwin twenty four, Allen Robinson twenty seven,

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Speaker 1: Galliday twenty seven, will Fuller twenty six. Now, Fuller did

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00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: have to serve as suspension, but those are the ages

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Speaker 1: where you want to extend guys. And I'm sure all

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00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: those teams on Galliday, I don't know if he fell

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00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: out of favor with Matt Patricia, but he didn't seem

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00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: like he wanted to play Ellen Robinson. You know, a

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00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 1: lot of it's going to depend on who the quarterbacks

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00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: to be there. Godwin. He can't keep them all, so

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00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be And then you have

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00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: some guys that are more affordable. And when you start

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00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: talking them affordable, they're a little bit older, not dog's age,

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00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: but just in general, guys that are close to thirty

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00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: or beyond thirty. You know in AJ Greening, a T.

751
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: Y Hilton, guys who have produced. They all have their warts,

752
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: if you will, but maybe you can get them on

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00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: the cheap or a one year prove it deal. But

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00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: then you're looking that there's always a reason that these

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00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: guys are available, so you have to assess that with

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00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: what you already have. But these are just some of

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00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: the names. And then I really went and did some

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00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: research over the last couple of days because I did

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00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: this when Vance Joseph was hired as defensive coordinator. Who

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00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: has he coached, who he might have intel on that

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00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: might be able to help the Arizona Cardinals defensively. Well

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00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: I did it again with Sean Jefferson, not saying anything,

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00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: not reporting anything, but you look at his time with

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Speaker 1: the Jets. Well, for Sean Perriman, who's twenty seven years old,

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00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: is due to become an unrestricted free agent, might he

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Speaker 1: be someone of interest to the Cardinals, perhaps on the cheap.

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Speaker 1: And then another name, and this is a younger player

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Speaker 1: but not very well known, Isaiah Ford twenty five years old,

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Speaker 1: played with the Miami Dolphins. He was with Jefferson when

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Speaker 1: Jefferson was with the Dolphins before he arrived, and spent

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Speaker 1: two seasons with the New York Jets, so he's familiar

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Speaker 1: with these players and maybe he can offer some insight

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Speaker 1: or hey, you know what, especially in the case of Ford,

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Speaker 1: he's really gotten better since Jefferson went on to the Jets.

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00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,479
Speaker 1: So maybe these two players can be someone that maybe

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Speaker 1: get linked to the Cardinals or the Cardinals kick the

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Speaker 1: tires on, if you will. As far as figuring out

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Speaker 1: as their interests be, do they have the money to

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00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,919
Speaker 1: afford or do they have an asking price if you will,

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Speaker 1: that would line up to what the Cardinals are willing

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00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 1: to spend at another wide receiver, because as you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: they're spending a lot with Hopkins as just one player.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't think a guy like Isaiah for

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00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: five years old is I mean, he's probably had to

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00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: sign a one year deal. I know, all these guys

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Speaker 1: when you get when you first get free agency, you

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00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: want a multi year deal. You know their agents are

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00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 1: going to tell him, Hey, whatever I told you last spring,

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00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,919
Speaker 1: it's different now it's based on the salary cap. So yeah,

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00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: I like the fact that you know Sean Jefferson does

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00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 1: have some intel twenty five years old. Don't think he'll

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00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: cost you. You have to make the roster. But Shard

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00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: Perriman's twenty seven from the Jets. Yeah, I mean so.

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Speaker 1: And then you got the draft, and before we get

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Speaker 1: into some of the names, you know, I looked at

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Speaker 1: only sample a few mock drafts. I don't quite frankly

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00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: that teams don't know what the Cardinals draft board is

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00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: gonna look like, okay, and they just look at needs.

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Speaker 1: And once you don't do in free agency, you'll do

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Speaker 1: in the draft. So I only look at a couple

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00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: of mocks. I look at names. I don't only put

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00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: a whole lot of stock in that stuff. But I

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00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: did look at jeremiahs who's been a former scout in

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00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: the NFL. I'll tell you, I look at mel Keeper

805
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: and Todd mcshade because they've been doing it for a

806
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: long time, and maybe on glance had another one. But

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00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 1: for the most part, I'm not fixated on mock drafts

808
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: like he used to be. So when you look at that,

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00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 1: I looked at Jeremias and he has four wide receivers

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00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: coming off the board by the twentieth overall pick. Cardinals

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Speaker 1: are picking sixteenth, so he's got he's got three before

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00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: the Cardinals picking, he's got one going at number twenty. Now,

813
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Speaker 1: if you get four or five quarterbacks off the board

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00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 1: and then you know there's other position is going to

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Speaker 1: be there, So the Cardinals could have, you know, one

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00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: of their options depending on how the draft goes, whether

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00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: it's size, speed, how productive these guys were in college.

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00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: You know, he looked at Jalen Waddle, obviously injured, but

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Speaker 1: a lot of thing people think he's probably equal to

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00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: a guy like dav Andre Smith. There's only one seventy five,

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Speaker 1: but he was a Heisman Trophy winner, So it'd be interesting. Again,

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00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: what they do in free agency will dictate what they

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Speaker 1: do in the draft. And I think you and Iron

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Speaker 1: agreement cornerback, wide receiver probably in both and it may

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00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: not be top names, but in the draft, obviously that

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Speaker 1: we'll get a lot of attention. Niel Jeremiah and Bucky

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00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: Brooks of NFL dot Com that's another name, along with

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Speaker 1: mel Kiper and Todd mcshae. Those are the four that

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Speaker 1: we kind of really pay attention to. In fact, Bucky

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00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: Brooks's first mock draft did have DeVante Smith falling to

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals at number sixteen, with really opened up people's

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00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: eyes because you're talking about the Heisman Trophy winner unanimus

833
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: All America and you're like wondering, how does he slip? Well,

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Speaker 1: he might be the third best wide receiver in this

835
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: draft class according to those that follow it much more

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Speaker 1: closely than we do, because Jamar Chase at an LSU

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00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: did not play this past season but was phenomenal in

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, and then you brought up Waddle who was

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Speaker 1: hurt for much of this past season. So we didn't

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00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:43,919
Speaker 1: see two of the best wide receivers in this draft class.

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00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: We only saw what Smith was able to do, and

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00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: he was amazing, especially in the National Championship Game. So

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00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: if the Cardinals do have a wide receiver at least

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Speaker 1: one of those three names at their opportunity to select

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Speaker 1: at number sixteen, I think it would be very hard

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00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: for them not to go wide receiver if one of

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00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: those three names are there, and yeah, you can make

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00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: an argument or corner edge rusher, but then you know,

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Speaker 1: as the number three wide receiver better than the number

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00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,760
Speaker 1: one edge rusher as far as the grading system is concerned.

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00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: And then of course free agency, if you go out

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Speaker 1: and sign a wide receiver for big money or a

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Speaker 1: couple of different wide receivers for minimal numbers of cash,

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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, that probably would take wide

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Speaker 1: receiver off the board, at least in the first round. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you feel that need. Now, you know,

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Speaker 1: last year we are fortunate enough to get to the

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Speaker 1: combine and no combine this year. But you know, a

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Speaker 1: cup here at about Henry Ruggs because there's speed, and

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Speaker 1: then Judy and Cite Lamb, and quite frankly, the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: like Justin Jefferson and not to you know, ad Salt

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Speaker 1: to the womb because they liked him, but they also

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Speaker 1: liked Isaiah Simmons. Isaiah Simmons was ranked really high on

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Speaker 1: their board, you know, after Chase Young and Jeff Acuta

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Speaker 1: and the Cardinals had Patrick Peterson. So all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: after Chase Young, Isaiah Simmons was ranked that high. I

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Speaker 1: don't know for sure, but I think he was ranked

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Speaker 1: third overall. And then you look at all the offensive

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Speaker 1: tackles that were out there, so you know, teams to

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Speaker 1: look at players differently. But I know they really liked

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Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson and he happened to be an outstanding rookie

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Speaker 1: year put up numbers better than an kum Bolden, which

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Speaker 1: is hard to believe. Well, how about Brandon Au. The

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Speaker 1: forty nine ers were very high on him, and that

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Speaker 1: was a name that was not really bandied about as

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Speaker 1: far as good point the top wide receivers. And then

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Speaker 1: GM John Lynch come out and said that they were

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Speaker 1: even considering selecting him, you know, at the top of

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Speaker 1: the draft, as opposed to late in the draft when

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Speaker 1: they got him. So that's what we don't know what

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Speaker 1: these personnel personnel people are looking at. What are their

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Speaker 1: eyes telling them that we don't see either based off

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Speaker 1: of interviews or film or their background research, if you will.

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Speaker 1: Because that was a huge surprise seeing Brandon I get

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Speaker 1: off the board as soon as he did. Great example.

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Speaker 1: That's a great example, and we're not just talking what

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals did. They came out and said they had

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Speaker 1: him ranked number one at wide receiver, and if he

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Speaker 1: would have been able to stay healthy, he's I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's a weapon. We didn't face him in week one

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Speaker 1: or the Cardinals didn't face him in week one. No

892
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Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel out there. And you know, regardless of Garroppolos

893
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Speaker 1: there and the way Shanahan runs that offense, he's also

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Speaker 1: returns punts. So that's a great example outside the organization,

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Speaker 1: they had him number one, not Rugs, not Judy, and

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Speaker 1: not Lamb. It is something that again we don't know

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Speaker 1: until afterwards, and then sometimes we never find out. But

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Speaker 1: it's those little details that kind of surface after the

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Speaker 1: draft and all of a sudden, hey, it either you

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Speaker 1: can look like a genius or you can go well,

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Speaker 1: who had them rated that high because of what didn't

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Speaker 1: happen during that particular season. But wide receiver is going

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Speaker 1: to be figured out at some point this offseason. Just

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Speaker 1: a question of when the Cardinals choose to roll the

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Speaker 1: dice at that position. I think it's the eye of

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Speaker 1: the beholder. I mean, you listen. I know fans and

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00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: media will say, well the Cardinals missed on dk Metcalf. Well,

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Speaker 1: every team passed on him twice, including the Seahawks, and

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Speaker 1: you know we're at the combine and not to be

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Speaker 1: redundant coming off an injury wasn't productive. Now, I need

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Speaker 1: to mention that Roy Green when he was able, we

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Speaker 1: were doing the show in the studio there, he loved

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Speaker 1: DK Metcalf and he reminds me all the time. He's like,

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Speaker 1: don't get worried about the one trick, pony, Mike, just

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Speaker 1: look at the speed. And I give him and Russell

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Speaker 1: Wilson a ton of credit because you know how I

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Speaker 1: watched the stuff in the offseason and they worked together.

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Speaker 1: Going on vacation, he works out. Russell Wilson said he

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Speaker 1: works out three hundred and sixty five sixty four days

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Speaker 1: a year. So give the player credit because he really

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Speaker 1: came into the league and he's one of the better

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Speaker 1: receivers at his position, size twise and what he does

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Speaker 1: on the field. And we hope that that development that

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Speaker 1: we saw out of DK Metcalff we get from Andy

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Speaker 1: Isabella Keyshawn Johnson this coming season. Of course, we've got

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Speaker 1: to wait several months before that happens. But this is

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Speaker 1: a big year, as we said, for those players and

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Speaker 1: then for this position overall, because Kyler Murray needs as

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Speaker 1: many weapons as possible to help him take that next

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Speaker 1: step into year three and hopefully the words of owner

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Speaker 1: Michael Bidd will get to the postseason here this upcoming season,

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Speaker 1: burd Gang. If you missed any of our position by

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Speaker 1: position breakdowns, just go into the archives. Will continue to

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Speaker 1: do these next week as well as we get closer

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Speaker 1: and closer to the new league year, and of course

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Speaker 1: update those accordingly, especially when the team does design to

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Speaker 1: sign a player or two, or perhaps maybe even makes

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Speaker 1: a trade as well. And on that note, we will

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Speaker 1: put a lid on this edition of Cardinals Covered two,

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Speaker 1: presented by Hyundai Product partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As all,

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Speaker 1: we special thanks to our executive producer, Sir Jim mo'm

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Speaker 1: andro for Mike Jarecki, I'm Pregrie Lou. We'll talk to

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Speaker 1: you next time you're on Cardinalscover two