1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kick Off live 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: right here on Giants dot com. Lance Meado, John Schmolcos, 3 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: all presented by Corps Light. Thank you for being with us. 4 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: That's the phone number one hour Giants Talk with you 5 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: and your tweets at hashtag giants Chat. I know we 6 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: had a couple of tweets coming late yesterday on the show. 7 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: I'll make sure I get to those today and whatever 8 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 1: else you guys want to give us on the phones 9 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: at two on one, nine four or five one three. 10 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: Yesterday was a Giant's off day for practice, so we 11 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: don't have any new news in terms of what's going 12 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: on in the practice field. Thankfully, that means no injuries either, 13 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: which is a good thing. If you want to go 14 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: check out my practice report from Sunday's practices up there 15 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: on giants dot com. They're back on the field today. 16 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: They're basically in full pads the rest of the way, folks, 17 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: so they'll limit how much they do from practice to practice, 18 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: but they will be in full pads. I'm here on out. 19 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 1: Practice begins today again. The guys take the field to 20 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 1: two thirty and you get stretch at to forty five 21 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: and then you gotta get into what's gonna be going on, 22 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: so very busy day today and media availabilities lands. We 23 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: had head coach Pat Charmer, Bill McGovern, linebackers coach Craig Johnson, 24 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: the running back coach Ryan Connolly, that where he linebacker 25 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: Oshane Ziminez, dexter Lawrence, Eli Manning. I will leave the 26 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: floor to you. Where would you like to start? I 27 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: want to start with Eli Manning. I thought something that 28 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: was interesting that he brought to the forefront as well 29 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: as Pat Shermer, who first spoke, was just the different 30 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: routine that Eli Manning took on himself this offseason, hiring 31 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: a local trainer, doing some baseball related activities, uh, strengthening 32 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: the arms, strengthening his legs, and and just trying to 33 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: preserve what he's been doing well but also look for 34 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 1: ways to improve. Not earth shattering news. Eli does work 35 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: out every single offseason, but the fact that he took 36 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: a different approach this late in his career I thought 37 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: was somewhat interesting. And he even said it was something 38 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: that he needed to try, he needed to experiment with, 39 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: so you know, that was something that he pointed out, 40 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: and also I think Pat Sherman noticed too. When he 41 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: was asked the question about you know, what have you 42 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: observed differently about Eli Manning this season, he said, well, 43 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: his offseason approach was a little bit different than year 44 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: number one with him, and his arm looks great. I 45 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: know a lot of people want to talk about one 46 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: of the reasons he's not playing as well as he 47 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: did earlier in his career is his arm strength. I 48 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: really don't think that's a reason. I think there are 49 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: other reasons you can look at. But I think his 50 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: arm strength is fine. I really do. I think I 51 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: heard he was asked the name of the guy who 52 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: was working with I think he said Mickey Booker. If 53 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken. It was hard for me to hear him, 54 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: but it's definitely Mickey the last name. I'm still not one. 55 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: You may be right, I thought that's what he said. 56 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: If he's not, I apologize. But you know, they did 57 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: a lot more rotator cuff war keeping the arm fresh, 58 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 1: and he says his arm feels stronger than it has more. Frankly, 59 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: in practice, so far, it looks good. And one thing 60 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: I mentioned yesterday with Jeff Fiagels is that he kind 61 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: of has a good chemistry with Cody Lattimer, and you 62 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: know he was a deep threat last year, which Eli 63 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 1: also mentioned today, but this year he's hitting him a 64 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: lot of these intermediate stuff and he said he's had 65 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 1: a great camp so far. And Lattimer is one of 66 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: the guys Lands that could try to take advantage of 67 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 1: this situation with Golden Tate suspension, which of course will 68 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: find out what happens with the appeal Strowing, Shepherd injury, 69 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: Holman injury, Darius Slayton injury. He's one of the guy 70 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: as I could step up into a bigger role if 71 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,239 Speaker 1: he can stay healthy well, and he should because he's 72 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: familiar with the scheme John, and I think he had 73 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: a few flashes late last season when he came back 74 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,679 Speaker 1: from i R. That was something that Eli Manning pointed out. 75 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: Who knows how far along Cody Latimer would be right now, John, 76 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: if he actually played a full season. So, I mean, 77 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: his sample size with the Giants is very small. I 78 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: think if you're asking me to look for a guy 79 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 1: to emerge or who do you think is gonna fill 80 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,239 Speaker 1: in with all of these injuries, I don't think the 81 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: Giants need to look far. John. I think it's going 82 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: to be the veterans that were on the team last year. 83 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: I know that everybody gets caught up. They want to 84 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: sleep or pick. They want somebody that maybe is falling 85 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: under the radar. You have Cody Lattimer, you have Russell 86 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: Shepard in camp right now. They both are familiar with 87 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: Eli Manning. I thought they both filled in Admiraby last 88 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: season when the Giants, remember also suffered injuries at wide receiver. 89 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: Those are the two guys I'm expecting to fill the 90 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: voids in the short term as well as the long 91 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: term with Corey Coleman, and I don't think that you 92 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: have to look at maybe somebody else that just joined 93 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: the team. I think those guys are gonna have oper 94 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: two needs to compete for jobs. And I'm not saying 95 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: they are long shots to make the roster, but if 96 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: you wanted to ask me priority wise, I think Latimer 97 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: and Russell Shepard at the top of the list, and 98 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: I think Betty Fowler's and then maybe he played a 99 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: lot in the last year. But I'm gonna I think 100 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: Darius Slayan if he can get back on the field now. 101 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 1: The longer he's out, the further back he is, and 102 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 1: the longest that take f him to get caught up. 103 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 1: But you know, I want to spend the whole show 104 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: on wide receivers. You did a lot of that yesterday 105 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: with Fiegals. But I think Slayton's that guy with that 106 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 1: deep speed that if he can get healthy and get 107 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: back on the field and playing, I would hope three 108 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: preseason games. I think at this point, unless he's out 109 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 1: there today, I'm not sure he's gonna be ready for 110 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: the for the game next Thursday. I think that might 111 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: be a little bit of an ask. You want to 112 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: try to let these guys work into it a little bit. 113 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 1: You don't want him reaggravating the injury. But if he 114 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 1: can play in three preseason games, even the last two, 115 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: I could see him working into a deep threat role 116 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: when we get to the regular season. A couple other 117 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: rookies spoke over the course of media availability said I 118 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: thought it was interesting. I'll give you my takes from 119 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: Oshane Zimenez and Dexter Lawrence. I as zimens about the 120 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,239 Speaker 1: chance he's had to go ap against Meremers and Solder 121 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: and and he's not what the ones a lot, but 122 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 1: he is a little bit and he said what he 123 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: likes to do, and I thought it was a great answer. 124 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: Is after he rushes against those guys, he goes and 125 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 1: he talks to him and he asked him, well, what 126 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: am I doing wrong? What am I doing well? And 127 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: he said one piece of advice they gave him is 128 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: that he was maybe had a little bit of a 129 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: tell of when he tried to get inside and they 130 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: were able to read that and stop it. So he's 131 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: trying to be less predictable, rush hard to the outside first, 132 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 1: sell that before trying to make that inside move. But 133 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: he spoke very analytically about it. He's thought deeply about it. 134 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 1: He's a guy that coming out that Pat Shermer said, 135 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: he has moves and counter moves, and clearly he's trying 136 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: to hone that part of his craft when he has 137 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: the chance to go against veteran tackles like Gramers, like Solder, 138 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: two guys that certainly are like nothing like the players 139 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 1: that he played at Old Dominion against huge step up. 140 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: And it's good that they're talking. That's what they should 141 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: be done. And it's not just defensive linement and offensive lineman. 142 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: We're seeing corners and wide receivers talk and you should 143 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: be able to say Hey, this is what you should 144 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: do differently, because I see your tell, and this is 145 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: what you need to do in order to adjust so 146 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: that when you go up somebody, go up against somebody 147 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: that is not necessarily in a giant's uniform, that you'll 148 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: know how to react under those circumstances. My other big 149 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: takeaway from Zimmenez is, you know, I think he was 150 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: very forthright in saying, hey, I knew when O t 151 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: A started I was in for I don't want to 152 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: put route awakening in his mouth because that wasn't necessarily 153 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: the term that he utilized, but he did admit there 154 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: was an adjustment period where he knew, hey, this is 155 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: not college anymore. There's a huge significant step up from 156 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: old dominion to the NFL. And that's what we've been 157 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 1: telling you all offseason. It's one thing to show potential 158 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: and upside. It's another thing, though, when you make the 159 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: jump from a lesser college program to now the NFL level, 160 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 1: when you have to go up against the remors and 161 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: the soldiers of the world. So he flat out admitted 162 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: he said, hey, you know, it took me a few 163 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 1: weeks to get the gist of what they're doing. The 164 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: complexity of the scheme, and now I think he feels 165 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 1: a lot more comfortable, so now he could play. But 166 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: his big focus is, Okay, I understand the scheme, now, 167 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: how does it translate to the football field, and what 168 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: type of adjustments do I need to make so that 169 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: I can actually get the better of the veterans and 170 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: so forth. So it's nice to see that back and 171 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: forth that I think is happening between the young pass 172 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: rushers as well as the veteran offensive line. Yeah, then 173 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: talk to Dexter Lawrence spoke to him a little bit. 174 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: He says he likes playing the three or four defensive 175 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: end spot because there's a more space obviously easier to 176 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: pass rush from that spot. So I'm really not surprised 177 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: that he gave that answer. If I was a defensive lineman, 178 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: I'd rather play that three or four defensive end spot 179 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: than that no tackle spot, So that didn't surprise me. 180 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: I talked him a little bit about Zeitler, Hernandez what 181 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: it's like going up against them. He said he's kind 182 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: of learning how guys do different pass sets depending on 183 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: the plan, how he beats those specific pass sets. Stuff 184 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: that he's learning. He said a little bit different thing College. 185 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: He's constantly being coached by Gary Emmanuel, who is the 186 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: defensive line coach, and James Betcher to get up field. 187 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: When he said it clems and you're reading more and 188 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: then you decide how you play based on what you're seeing. 189 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: He says, here you get up field, get up field, 190 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: which is what we talk about a one gap system, 191 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: right and play the run on the way there. He 192 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: also talked a little bit about he was asked why 193 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: at the six six or six five whatever he is 194 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: three forty players in the past at that size generally 195 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: have not been pass rushers, and his answer to Kim 196 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: Jones was, while I'm not everybody else, which I thought 197 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: was a really good answer, and he just said he's 198 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: he's picking some up, picking stuff up from those big guys. 199 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: As he walked out, Um, I talked to him a 200 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: little bit and I kind of asked him when he's 201 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: at defensive end, because the Giants have two different defensive 202 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: end positions. You're either kind of playing the three slash 203 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 1: four or you're playing the five. And then when he's 204 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: in the nickel, is he playing you know, the nose 205 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: over the center or is he playing more three technique, 206 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: and he said, I'm playing all four spots depending on 207 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: their strength of the defense, so he'll shift. So they're 208 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: using him in every single spot on that defense, folks. 209 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: So when you get to the regular season, he's not 210 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: gonna be specialized. He's gonna be at the three, the four, 211 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 1: of the five. He's gonna be inside and pass for 212 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: our situations. And he stressed that he expects to be 213 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: used as a three down defense alignment. Now, I want 214 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,199 Speaker 1: to stress and we see this with defensive linement across 215 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: the league. He's not gonna be of the snaps. Guy. 216 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: When you're threeing your forty pounds, folks, you're not playing 217 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: even of the snaps. He's gonna be probably around sixties 218 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: of the snaps, which is fine. Get him in the 219 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: right situations and let him use that power, strength and 220 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: unreal quickness for that size to try to get to 221 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: the quarterback. Yeah, I think they look at him as 222 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: somebody who has the upside of potential to play on 223 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: all three downs. That doesn't mean that he's actually gonna 224 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: be out on the field, but they're encouraged in terms 225 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: of what he's shown in practice. They're moving him around 226 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: and he has full confidence that he's going to be 227 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: able to get to the quarterback. Now. I think he 228 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 1: showed some flashes of that John in college. I point 229 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: to the leg injury, the foot injury. I think, you know, 230 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: you can't read into the stats too much because he 231 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: wasn't fully oneent. He even admitted that. I think the 232 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 1: Giants knew that when they drafted him. So now that 233 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: he's back to full health, you know there's potential for 234 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: him to constantly get after the quarterback. But he is 235 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: a physical specimen. He's a physical presence, and it doesn't 236 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: hurt to have him on the field regardless of the 237 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: down because you know, John, if you're an offensive lineman, 238 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to pay attention to him, even if 239 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: he's not getting home. By the way, at the quarterback, 240 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 1: he's opening up things enough for the guys maybe at 241 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: the edges. If he's on the interior, which is what 242 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: Snacks did you focus your attention on the interior the 243 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: pocket collapses, the guys can converge from the outside, and 244 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: that's what I think they think. That's dexter Lawrence could 245 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: do consistently, no question about it. And just another note 246 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: very quick on Lawrence. He was, according to PFF, the 247 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: third best pressure rate among defensive tackles in the draft, 248 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: so I didn't get reflected in the sacks. He wasn't 249 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: around the quarterback an awful lot when you watched the tape, 250 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: and I watched a lot of Clemson because you had 251 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: a million guys coming out of that program on the 252 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 1: defensive line, Kristen Wilkins, Cleveland Ferrell Um, of course, Dexter Lawrence. 253 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: I'm trying remember who the fourth guy was escaping my mind, 254 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: but there were four. Those were the main guys that 255 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 1: went high in the j There was the one guy 256 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: that won the middle round, though I think either way. 257 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: I watched a lot of Clemson and was in that 258 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: backfield just as much of not more than Christian Wilkins, 259 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 1: so he can rush the passer. A couple other notes, 260 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: U two guys that I listened to a little bit, 261 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: Bill McGovern and Ryan Connolly. Mcgovernor was asked about Connell 262 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: and he basically, look, we're gonna find out if he's 263 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: ready to run a huddle. And he's now the mic 264 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: linebacker with the second team next to Nate Stupar, and 265 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: he goes, look, I'm looking forward to seeing what he 266 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: can do when there's not a veteran out there with him. 267 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: And talking to Ryan Connell, I asked him, what are 268 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: you really working on? He said, Look, a lot of 269 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:27,719 Speaker 1: the pre snap calls and reads or stuff that I 270 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: didn't have to do in college, and I'm still trying 271 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: to figure all that out. So it's always gonna be 272 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: a process for a guy that's making the calls of 273 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 1: the line as a middle linebacker, and that's what he's 274 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: starting to figure out. It's gonna take some time. I 275 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: doubt he'll be ready as a rookie, but down the 276 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: road he's got the speed. You hope he can become 277 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 1: a guy that can have a more prominent role. But 278 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: in the meantime, he'll be a staple on special teams. Obviously, 279 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: one quick note, Austin Bryant was the other clinking offensive 280 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: line we went to the Lions in the middle round. 281 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: As far as your point about Ryan Connolly, I was 282 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: listening in to Bill McGovern who spoke to the media 283 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 1: today and he was peppered with a lot of questions 284 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 1: about Connolly related to what you were just talking about. 285 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: You know, can he actually be that guy that sets 286 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: the defense up and can he be that vocal presence 287 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: and they're putting him in those situations. But government said, 288 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: but to make those bold claims right now is getting 289 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 1: ahead of ourselves. But they like what they're seeing. There's 290 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: potential there. But you know, for them to throw him 291 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: right into the fire immediately, I don't know necessarily as 292 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: they're gonna put him in that spot, because even McGovern 293 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 1: said last year, if you look back at what Tay Davis, 294 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 1: you know, Davis, it took him some time. He eventually 295 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: got to a point where John had clicked. But at 296 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: the very beginning of the season, even if him making 297 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: the roster was impressive, they weren't saying themselves, all right now, 298 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: we're gonna have him command the defense and expect him 299 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 1: to take on that role. So I can see as 300 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: the season progresses Connolly gaining the confidence of the coaching 301 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: staff and once we get in a quarter into the 302 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: season or later, then they maybe feel comfortable placing him 303 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 1: in that role. McGovern also asked about b. J. Goodson 304 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: what his role might be, and he said, look, we 305 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: love him as as a guy that's physical and a 306 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 1: run stop or in base. But he said they have 307 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: they feel like he got a lot better in Nicole 308 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: last year too, and that's the space they spot they 309 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: will be willing to use in him over the course 310 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: of the year. But fourth that he's gonna be the 311 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:10,959 Speaker 1: three four basement insidelnebacker next to ogle Tree, and how 312 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: much his role expands after that, we will have to 313 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: wait and see. I was doing a DeAndre Baker interview 314 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:17,959 Speaker 1: while Pat Schremer was talking, and I did not catch 315 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: Craig Johnson. So anything from those two guys lends. Why 316 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: don't you take it away with what those guys addressed well. 317 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: Craig Johnson, the Giants running backs coach, was asked a 318 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: lot about sat Kwan Barkley's productivity this season because of 319 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: the astonishing numbers that he put up as a rookie. 320 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: And you know, one of the things he was asked 321 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: john was, you know, it's very difficult for running backs 322 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: and back to back years to get two thousand total yards. 323 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: Do you think it's feasible? And he flat out admitted, Yeah, 324 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a very tall order for st Kwan 325 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 1: Barkley get to that point, but they keep their expectations high. 326 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 1: Barkley has high expectations and you know, one of the 327 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: things that he says, Barkley constantly tells him when they're 328 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: looking at film, when they're working on adjustments. Now, I 329 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: want to do anything that's possible to get this team 330 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: to win. If it means sacrificing stats, it means sacrificing touches, 331 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: So be that that. That's what s Quan is man, 332 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: that's what he is. That's not necessarily surprised. Craig Johnson 333 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: certainly wasn't startled by that news. But does he have 334 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: the potential to get to two thousand. I think he does. 335 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: I don't think that's crazy. And I think what also 336 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: is gonna help his cause. If Golden Tate does not 337 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: win his appeal john and he misses the first four games, 338 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: that's even gonna be more of an opportunity for st. 339 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: Kwan Barkley get a lot of touches, at least in 340 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: the first quarter of the season. So if the first 341 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: quarter of the season, they're gonna lean on him, whether 342 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: it be a receiver or running back. Yeah, two thousand 343 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: to me is very much reachable. Again, absolutely, and in fact, 344 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: I would expecting them more totally ared than he had 345 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: last year to be honest with you, I think the 346 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: offensive line is better, and I think that's gonna bold 347 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: well for him, To be quite honest with you, I 348 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: think with the wide receiver injuries and and we'll get 349 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: something else that if you have anything else that Pat 350 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: Schurmer addressed in a second. But when I think about 351 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 1: the wide receiver injuries and if Golden take can't be 352 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: their week one, yeah, you have a veteran that can 353 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: step in or maybe a slate in whomever that's gonna 354 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: take some of those wide receiver reps. And that's great, 355 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: it's fine. But to me, Lance and you know, maybe 356 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: a guy like you know, Camera Meredith who just got 357 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: let go with somebody the Giants looked to bring, and 358 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: that's something I think if his knees good, he won 359 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: towards a c L two years ago. That's someone I 360 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: think you could take a look at. I don't know 361 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: if the Giants are interested or not, but it's someone 362 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: that jumped off the page to me, who was actually 363 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: a fairly highly sought after free agent last year before 364 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: he had that injury. So you know, I think it's 365 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: gonna be more a matter of how they adjust the 366 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: scheme and how they play and I just think the 367 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: more I thought about it, and I mentioned this on 368 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: yesterday's show too, I think you just see a lot 369 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: of twelve personnel and as long as Ingram and read 370 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: Ellison are healthy, I think that's gonna become the base 371 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: personnel package for the Giants. You already having a battle 372 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: for the third wide receiver spot that was up in 373 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: the air. If there's no Golden Tate, who knows who 374 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: the number two and three guys are. So I think 375 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: you can see a lot of tight ends on the field. 376 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: You canna see the full back on the field, and 377 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: they'll do a lot of stuff at a big personnel 378 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: and try to set up mismatches for Barkley and ingraman 379 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: play action and I think, you know, along with strolling 380 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: Shepherd when he gets back, those are gonna be your 381 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: big time weapons. Well, and the wide receiver is gonna 382 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: have to step up, man. I know that maybe stating 383 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: the obvious, but one of the things Craig Johnson pointed 384 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: out john was late in the season. This was during 385 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: the period in which Odell Beckham did not play. You know, 386 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: they were throwing the extra guys in the box. They 387 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: were there all years well, but he he had mentioned 388 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: specifically when Beckham wasn't there, and that that's more of 389 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: a reason why. You know, the more of the wide 390 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: receivers produce, whoever it is, you have to give the 391 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: defense a reason to not put all your resources towards 392 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: stopping Sa Kwan Barkley. That's true. That that's basically how 393 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: I look at if you were to ask me, Okay, 394 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: what do you need to do to stop the giants? 395 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: Clearly my focus is on Barkley. So if I'm the giants, 396 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: I'm saying, let's give them a reason not to focus 397 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: on Barkley. Whether it be Tap, whether it be Shepherd, Ingram, 398 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: you listed a bunch of guys, all it has to 399 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: be is somebody else other than Barkley. If that person 400 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: presents as a consistent force, Now all of a sudden, 401 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: you can't get to the point where you're just gonna 402 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: say we're gonna bring the extra guy in the box. 403 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: You gotta worry about some of the guys on the outside. 404 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: And I think in that point though, you really have 405 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: to use the run to open up the pass. And 406 00:16:58,080 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the old you know a STA 407 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: published the run thing. I think look if you're gonna 408 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: have and just look how the Patriots work this. Let's 409 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: last year in the Super Bowl. Right, they came out 410 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: for those two consecutive plays and twenty two personnel. But 411 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: then they spread it out. So they bring the fullback in, 412 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: they bring the two tight ends in, and how do 413 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: the oh boy, the Rams, thank you brain forard for 414 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 1: a second. How did the Rams answer? They bring out 415 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: their base defense, right, because the Patriots have big people 416 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 1: on the field. Course, then the Patriots take that personnel, 417 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 1: which again a running back, fullback, two tight ends, one 418 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: wide receiver, and they spread them all out wide. What 419 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 1: happens then you get Gronkowsky and a linebacker. You get 420 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: your running back set up on a linebacker, and those 421 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:44,360 Speaker 1: are the mismatched players. The Giants have linebacker and running back. 422 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: So I think that's how you'll have to operate then. 423 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: And yeah, eventually you're gonna have to go too minute drills, 424 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: three wide, four wide. You're gonna have to do it. 425 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: You have no choice. At some point, someone's gonna have 426 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: to step up. But I think it is your base. 427 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: I think you try to throw out of big personnel 428 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 1: using play action because you know maybe your second and 429 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: third wide receivers aren't the most explosive guys are gonna 430 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: just you know, kill people one on one consistently. And 431 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: that's how I look at it. No, I think that's 432 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: a very fair assessment. You'll take se Kwan Barkley matched 433 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: up against just about anybody John out of the backfield 434 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: because you know that he has the ability to force 435 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: people to miss at his speed and take I'll take 436 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,719 Speaker 1: him against the safety for goodness. It doesn't just need 437 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: to be a linebacker. Let him put a safety, let 438 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 1: him put a defensive back. I'll still take my chances. 439 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: I like that matchup. So I think that Ingram and 440 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: Barkley are huge guys that can really set the tone 441 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 1: of the potential of this offense this season if they 442 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: go with that bigger personnel, as you mentioned, because part 443 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: of the rationale is by you using that parallel to 444 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 1: the Patriots, is let's suck them in, okay, and then 445 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: spread them out, and see by now spreading them out 446 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: if they could still be as effective when they're grouped 447 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: together in that box area. Yeah, you're forced to put 448 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: the put the big people on the field, you know, 449 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: don't let them get force them to run a little bit, 450 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: Nicole and dime guys on there, because once you get 451 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: multiple dbs, you can get a dB on Ingram and 452 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: Barkley and you can figure it out, right. But you 453 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 1: got all these linebackers on the field and it's a 454 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:04,959 Speaker 1: lot harder. And not everybody has Luke Kiklely, I mean 455 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: Luke Kickley. I'd be okay putting him has that type 456 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: of a linebacker. They can be able to throw out 457 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,479 Speaker 1: two five, one three. It's all presented by Corps Light. 458 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:16,360 Speaker 1: I will get to your tweets as well as hashtag 459 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: giants chat. Let's know it. Scott in New Mexico, he's 460 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: been holding the longest. Ay, Scott, what's up? Hey guys, 461 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:25,959 Speaker 1: how are you doing today? What's up? I was I 462 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: think all your points that you made between the two 463 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: of your were spot on, and I had some questions 464 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: about the linebacker or something you said yesterday, John that 465 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: intrigued me in regard to Lorenzo Carter. If he were 466 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 1: to move back into a traditional linebacking role, which I 467 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: thought was actually a very astute point, would that change 468 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: the dynamic of the linebacking core itself. Because I was 469 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: really concerned about the linebackers themselves. And I know you 470 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: mentioned Connolly and a couple of other guys, but as 471 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: you foresee it is that an actual possibility because he 472 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: does have great coverage skills, that Carter could be that linebacker, 473 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: maybe even a hybrid linebacker goes between the line and 474 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 1: then back. Uh. That might really cement the defensive position 475 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 1: of the friend Steve, and I was just curious. I 476 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: thought that was a great idea. Yeah, Bill McGovern talked 477 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: about that today. I think you know, I got there 478 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: late and he was answering the first question about a 479 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: linebacker that was like super versatile and could do a 480 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: lot of things. I just assumed he was talking about 481 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: Lorenzo Carter. I'm not sure that he was, but he 482 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: talked about how he can do a little bit everything. 483 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: He can cover, he can drop, and that flexibility helps you. 484 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:31,479 Speaker 1: But here's the bottom line. If you're gonna be an 485 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 1: outside linebacker in the three four, you need to rush 486 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: the passer. That's the position. That's that's the position. So 487 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:40,919 Speaker 1: as long as the Giants are in this scheme and 488 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 1: Carters a three four outside linebacker, three quarters of his 489 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 1: job is going to be rushing the pastor so well, 490 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 1: it's great that he's good at that other stuff. If 491 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: he wants to stick there and get a guy to 492 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: be a guy that gets a lot of playing time there, 493 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: he has to become a better pass rusher than he 494 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: was last year. He has all the tools in the 495 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 1: world to do it. He even looks better in the 496 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: offseason this year. Let's see what happens when he gets 497 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 1: in a game. Yeah, I mean, you're not putting him 498 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: in the game so that he could be an extra 499 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: defensive back. And what you're pointed to, Scott, I remember 500 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: the play against the San Francisco forty Niners last season. 501 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: I believe it was Matt Breed. It wasn't Okay ran 502 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: sort of a wheel route and Carter did a great 503 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: job staying with him and was all over him. So 504 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,439 Speaker 1: you like to see that. But I don't think the 505 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: Giants envision Lorenzo Carter being on the field so that 506 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: in the event a running back runs a wheel route, 507 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: they can have him match up. They need him to 508 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 1: pursue and get after the quarterback, just like they need 509 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: Oshane Zimmenez to do that, just like they need Marcus 510 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 1: Golden to do that. So I think that in piecemeal. 511 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 1: You want to have the ability that in the event 512 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 1: they have guys down the field, multiple players can take 513 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: on that assignment, not just Lorenzo Carter. Okay, and also 514 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 1: do by necessity the Giants And I think you guys 515 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: were addressing the point. Do the Giants become a more 516 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 1: run heavy type of offense as because of the situation 517 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: that exists with the white receivers until that all works 518 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 1: itself out. And if so, does that mean that Wayne 519 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,199 Speaker 1: Goldman and Paul Perkins now will get more snaps in 520 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: the beginning of the season, because by necessity they may 521 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: not if they run the twelve personnel. I mean, if 522 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,360 Speaker 1: you look at New England when they had Gronkowski and Hernandez, 523 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: they sort of dominated the league. But I don't think 524 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: the Giants have a secondary tight end equivalent to well, uh, 525 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: you know, to a Gronkowski, you know. I I sort 526 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 1: of look at Fernandez and have an ingram is sort 527 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: of a similar type of athlete. But I was just 528 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: curious how that would work. Also from the tight end position, 529 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: if they have somebody they can actually put on the 530 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 1: field that can you know, sort of move the defense around. Yeah, 531 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: you know, I talk about playing bigger personnel. And I 532 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 1: understand why you would think that, why would mean run heavy, 533 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: But look, you're not gonna win a lot of games 534 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: in this league, especially with the defensive issues the Giants 535 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 1: might have early because of all the young guys out there. 536 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: You're not gonna win a lot of games running the 537 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 1: ball sixty percent at the time. It's just not gonna work. 538 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 1: That's not what the league is anymore. And you're just 539 00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: not gonna score enough point. So when I say used 540 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 1: the big personnel, I want you to pass out of 541 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: those packages a lot because you again you get the 542 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:05,719 Speaker 1: big people on the field for the defense, and then 543 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,679 Speaker 1: that opens up situations through the air to get mismashes. 544 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: So you might be run a little bit more sure, 545 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 1: But I think Pat Shermer is looking for a balance. 546 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: What that perfect balance is. Is it sixty forty? Is 547 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: it forty two? Is it forty? You know? I think 548 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: that might be leaning in a little bit too much 549 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 1: to the run. There's some kind of balancing that he wants. 550 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: And even with the wide receiver injuries. Pat Schremer came 551 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: from the West Coast offense. He will throw the football. 552 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 1: Trust me, He's gonna have to think it's gonna come 553 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: too predictable. And appreciate the phone call Scott, where you 554 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: know John and I were talking earlier. You want to 555 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: be able to run the football, but if you're gonna 556 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 1: put the extra guys in the box and you're basically 557 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: saying we need to stop Barkley, you're eventually gonna have 558 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: to throw out of those formations because you're gonna have 559 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: to get the defense to react. So the answer can't be, well, 560 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: our wide receiver's corps banged up. Now we're just going 561 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: to obviously focus on the run. Now, I'm looking up 562 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: the numbers last season, the Giants round the three hundred 563 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: fifty four times. That was twenty nine through the NFL. 564 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: The reason I'm bringing that up Barkley got a huge 565 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: part of those three hundred fifty four carries. And even 566 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: if the carries go up, I don't think the percentage 567 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,679 Speaker 1: is going to change. John Barkley is still going to 568 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: be the main workhorse. Yeah. Would they sprinkle in guys 569 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: like Perkins and guys like Goldman or Rod Smith whoever 570 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: makes a team a little bit more, Yes, But I'm 571 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: beyond the days of every year we get calls who's 572 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: gonna be the goal line back. Who's gonna be the 573 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: third down back. I'm tired of having these conversations. John 574 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: Barkley is the guy. Barkley is gonna be in scoring position, 575 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: Barkley is gonna be in the middle of the field, 576 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: Barkley is gonna be at the beginning of drives. They're 577 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: gonna pick their drives to rest him like they did 578 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: in that Eagles game that, by the way, half of 579 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,360 Speaker 1: the fan base is still ruffled all of their feathers 580 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: and they haven't gotten over that. But they're not going 581 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 1: to take Barkley off the field, even if the amount 582 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 1: of carries increase. I just don't see it happening. No, Look, 583 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: they're gonna pick spots to give him a blow now, 584 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: I'm sure in their metrics. And Patron was actually asked 585 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: us to they he declined to get they full answer 586 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 1: on it because he doesn't want to tip his hand 587 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: to other teams, obviously, But I would imagine they have 588 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: workload ideas for him in individual games and during the year, 589 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: and they're not gonna you know, you don't want a 590 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: guy to get four touches in a year anymore, You 591 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: just don't. It's too many, too many. You can't do that. 592 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: This is anymore, all right, just not so Barkley will 593 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: get plenty of touches, but Goldman's gonna get time. And then, 594 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 1: by the way, Goldman doesn't even run with the twos 595 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: in practice. He runs with the ones along with Barkley. Barkley, 596 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 1: let me put it, how can I put this kindly? 597 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: They've limited his reps. I think they're trying to be 598 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: a little bit careful, and I don't blame them. Um, 599 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: So Goldman's got a lot of run with the ones, 600 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 1: and rod Smith and Perkins have kind of been with 601 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: the twos, and I think rod Smith's actually looked really 602 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: good to be quite hottest with you. So that's how 603 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: we look at it. And I think both those guys 604 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 1: will get work over the course of the year to 605 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 1: to spell Barkley in games, so they don't run the 606 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: poor kid into the ground that that you know, you 607 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: wanted to stay explosive. That's what he is. He's an 608 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: explosive player. Well, and I'm not worried about his workload 609 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: in practice. Now, it's more about the regular season. So 610 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 1: it makes one cent. He had two hundred sixty one 611 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: of the team's three hundred fifty four carries last season, 612 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: Goldman had fifty one. And then if you go beyond 613 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: Goldman John the next guy was Eli Manning who had fifteen. 614 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: Jonathan Stewart and I know he was on I R, 615 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 1: so that's not somebody that had a huge sample size. 616 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: Elijah Penny had seven carries. But remember you know Evan 617 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: Ingram was out of the lineup. You figure his touches 618 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,439 Speaker 1: are gonna increase. I'm not talking about the rushing game. 619 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: I'm just talking about pure touches. So his touches increased. 620 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: You've got Golden Tap now in the mix, regardless of 621 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: him missing games because of the pending suspension Sterling Shepard. 622 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: They're gonna be able to think to spread the wealth 623 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: around where you know, Barkley is not gonna be the 624 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: entire offense. But as far as the running game is concerned, 625 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: I don't think the ratio is going to be that 626 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 1: different from what we saw Leslie. Know the numbers might 627 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: go up with the Jonet's trailed a lot last year. 628 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: Of course, last year only average sixteen rushes per game. 629 00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: Barkley I would guess to sixty one. I would say 630 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 1: he's a lot closer to three hundred than he is 631 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: to two hundred fifty next year. I think that's fair. 632 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: So you're looking at an increase of about forty carries, 633 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 1: and then you split that up over the course of 634 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: sixteen games. I would say two and an extra two 635 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: and a half carriage. That's crazy. If he winds up 636 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: around eighteen carries a game next year, I think that 637 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: sounds about right. And like we've talked about before, I 638 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: don't want to rehash the whole conversation. He had ninety 639 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 1: one catches last year. At three hundred fifty two touches 640 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,120 Speaker 1: over the course of the year, I think those receptions 641 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 1: will be more effective and he'll get further down the 642 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 1: field on those because those dump balls aren't giving you 643 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: a whole lot, right, especially on third and long. He'll 644 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: have fewer catches, maybe just as many yards. Maybe the 645 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,719 Speaker 1: catching range gets you down to the seventy five area. 646 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: So I think you're looking at anywhere between three hundred 647 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: sixty and three hundred and eighty touches for him next year. 648 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 1: Touches combined rushes and receptions, I'd say around three seventy 649 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: five would be a decent number where I would project 650 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: it will wind up around fair. I think all those 651 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 1: numbers are fair. I'm looking at his receiving totals from 652 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: last season. He averaged seven point nine yards per reception. 653 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 1: So if the receptions go down by about fifteen to 654 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: your point, the goal for the Giants is that seven 655 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: point nine yard average. Get it to nine or nine 656 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,360 Speaker 1: and a half, and then that's how you get more 657 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 1: production with less work, which I think any player would 658 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: sign up for, specifically a coaching staff and look at lens. 659 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,120 Speaker 1: You gotta look. And we've talked about it to show 660 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 1: a million times and this will be one of my 661 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 1: keys to the season when we get there. Are you 662 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: getting explosive plays to the passing game? If you want 663 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: to win the NFL now, you can't depend on sustaining 664 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:45,959 Speaker 1: twelve and fifteen sixteen play drives. It's too hard. Penalties, mistakes, 665 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: good defenses, take your pick. It's hard to sustain those 666 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: long drives. Eventually you need big plays. See Juan is 667 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: certainly capable of giving you those through the ground. I 668 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: want to see him give you a couple through the air. 669 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: I want to see how an ingram and give you 670 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,719 Speaker 1: a couple through the air. Can one of wide receiver 671 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: step up and be a consistent big play guy through 672 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: the air. The Giants had that in Oldo Beckham Jr. 673 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: Where you could catch the ball twelve yards down the 674 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: field and then run forever. He didn't do it as 675 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: much last year, but in years past he was great 676 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: at it. Okay, can they figure out a way to 677 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: make up for that? What I think will be a 678 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: reduction in big play potential from the wide receiver position. 679 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: That's gonna be really really important to how successful and 680 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: explosive this Giant's offenses this year. Well you're thinking of 681 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: at least The one that jumps into my head is 682 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: the first Eagles matchup last season. Barkley had that big 683 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: short throw and then he ran right through the heart 684 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: of the Eagles defense. But you know what I remember 685 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: about that play, John, He gets tackled there right in 686 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: the red zone, and then penalties and protection issues kicked 687 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: them out of the red zone. And they don't even 688 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: walk away with points from that type of drive. So 689 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 1: to me, it's not just the explosive plays, John, it's 690 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: also finishing with those explosive plays. And then look at 691 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: that Look the one game the Giants wanted to blow 692 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: out last year right against the Redskins, say quanted to 693 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: really long, yet runs one one for a touchdown. One 694 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: got him inside the red zoneything inside the tent. Actually, 695 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: if I remember right one where Sheppard and Beckham, everybody 696 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: helped lock correct and they made a couple of big 697 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: plays through the air in that game too. That's how 698 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: you score thirty points, guys. You don't score thirty forty 699 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: points by having a bunch of eight minute, twelve fourteen 700 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: play drives. You get up by having forty yards boom, 701 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 1: fifty yards boom, sixty yards boom, touchdown. That's how you 702 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: get to that type of scoring. Love Art, Let's get 703 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: back to the calls. I don't know how he even 704 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: got on that tangent, but we did. It was fun. 705 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: Mattnee silop, he's up next? Hey even, Hey Matt, Hey, guys, 706 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: how are you? What's up? But I wanted to make 707 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: a couple of points. Um one on defense, actually I 708 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: was calling for the offense, but one on defense, you 709 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: guys brought up. I was a lineback to position thinking 710 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: about Lorenzo Carter. I eve been staying to him coming 711 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: out of Georgia. But it made me think a little 712 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: bit about the coverage and linebackers from the Giants have 713 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 1: struggled in coverage for what seems to be UM an 714 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: eternity for me my twenty five years of life. But 715 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: I think it's a copycat league. And I can't help 716 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: but think of what the Chargers did to the Ravens 717 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: and the playoffs. I think that they went six d 718 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: vs on the field, and maybe that's what the Giants 719 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: will try to do to help UM. Maybe if there's 720 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: still that weakness at the linebacker coverage uh situation, maybe 721 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: they're gonna work with Julian Love and you know Balantine 722 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: now and you know with Jack Rabbit and U Baker, 723 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: you know that they have a plus right now of 724 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: d backs. So maybe they'll try to work in that 725 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: a little bit more now seeing that you know, the 726 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: top to top league. Like I said, that's always an option. 727 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: So I'm curious to see what you guys think about that. 728 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,719 Speaker 1: And then offensively, what I was gonna say is, you know, 729 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: I think that there's gonna be a receiver on this 730 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: roster come opening Day that's not on the team right now, 731 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: you know, the cuts and all that stuff. Yeah, I 732 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: think I think that's very possible. Well, I don't know. 733 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: I think, you know, to be honest with you, as 734 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: an optimistic Giants fan, to be honest with you, I 735 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: wouldn't be so up at with Shepherd, Laddimer and Slayton 736 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 1: week one as the three receivers, with Evan Ingram of 737 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: course playing a big role as well, and then you 738 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,239 Speaker 1: know you have Simon sin Ellison, as you guys were 739 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: alluding to earlier. I don't really think that that's all 740 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: that horrible. I mean, you know, Laddimer flashed towards the 741 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: end of the season when he came back from my 742 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: r you know, Slayton seems to be coming on. I 743 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: know he has a handstring now. But you know, I 744 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: don't think that that's really the worst thing that you know. 745 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: I know, John fans of course is tate, and you know, 746 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: with Shepherd being hurt, you know a kind of you know, 747 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: crying here and upset and rightly so. But I don't 748 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 1: think that that's like the end of the world situation. 749 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: I think that charmer, like you guys said, he likes 750 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: the two tight ends, Simon Sidney Elson. I think they're 751 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: going to be on this team, especially for their blocking 752 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 1: and their toughness. I think that that's just kind of 753 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: like you said, running hard nosed football. She was the 754 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: new offensive line. I just it just makes sense. I 755 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: think right now, I think you know, going into Week one, 756 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: it's not the worst thing in the world. I just 757 00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: want to see what you guys think about that, because 758 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: I think that that's they're good pieces. So definitely kind 759 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: of listen to what you guys have to say about 760 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: those two points. Well, it's not the worst thing in 761 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: the role in Matt, but it's not good. Um, if 762 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: if Tayton Shepherd both aren't there, then you're getting close 763 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: to the worst thing in the world, maybe the second 764 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: or third worst things in the world. But if it's 765 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: just tap. They survived last year in the final four games, 766 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 1: and again it's a small sample size, I'll stress that, 767 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: and it's not a b all end all, but last 768 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 1: four games last year they basically ran out Ingram Barkley, 769 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: Sterling Shepherd, and then some combination of Benny foul and 770 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,719 Speaker 1: Russell Shepherd. That's basically what they were rolling out their 771 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: wide receiver and they were fine. They did Okay, that's 772 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 1: what you hope to copycat. When they went did more 773 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: stuff under center. They did more stuff with big personnel. 774 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 1: Now you're gonna see if an Ingram a tight end, 775 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 1: not Simonson because you want to you know, you need 776 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 1: somebody out there to catch the damn ball. So that's 777 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: what you'll see. But I think you're on the right track. 778 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 1: I think that is the path they're gonna go down. Yeah, 779 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: I think with Ingram, you know, you talk about you know, 780 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 1: the background with Shula, you know, and I'm gettleman in 781 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: Carolina having a guy like Devin Francis who fits that 782 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: bigger wide receiver role, and I think you may see 783 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: that a little bit more from Ingram this year, you know, 784 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 1: a little bit more outside and obviously his speed and 785 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,919 Speaker 1: athleticism as a mismatch. So definitely looks forward to seeing 786 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: that a little bit more. He can stay healthy and 787 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: kind of get over some of his drop issues that 788 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 1: he had in the past seasons well, and they used 789 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 1: Ingram a lot in those final four games. That's why 790 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: his production went up. He was also healthy to your point, 791 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 1: and affeliciate the phone call, Matt. Two things that I 792 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 1: want to bring up on things that he mentioned. You know, 793 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 1: he said that could be a wide receiver on this 794 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 1: team final cuts, that's not here. Yes, it's certainly possible. 795 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,360 Speaker 1: But I just want to take you back to last season. 796 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 1: The Giants made six waiver claims. If you recall John uh, 797 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 1: there was a lot of movement for them to solidify 798 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,319 Speaker 1: the back end of the roster. And you know, just 799 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: look at these six guys and I'm not poo pooing 800 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 1: on them, but the reason I'm bringing them up is 801 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 1: you tell me John who made a significant impact on 802 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: this team last year in about the first five or 803 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 1: six games. Mario Edwards, do you remember him making it 804 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 1: an impact? Klin Clayton and even last here for very long. Okay, 805 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: Spencer Polly remembered, but but it took time for him 806 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 1: to be integrated, and because of the Hallapeo injury, it 807 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: opened the door. So keep that in mind. It was 808 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 1: who was the veteran they had inside that when it's 809 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 1: center before Polly was ready. Yeah, yeah, I can't think 810 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: of his damn name. He was with Shermer, with the 811 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 1: Rams and the Browns. John is his first name. Yeah, 812 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: it'll come to me anyway, Go ahead, I'm sorry, No, 813 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: it's fine. As far as the other guys here, as 814 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: we continue through the list an Tonio Hamilton's who certainly 815 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,359 Speaker 1: became a key special teamer, but that was more late 816 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: defensive back Michael Jordan's and then defensive back Cameron more 817 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,439 Speaker 1: who's on the suspended list. My point is, if you're 818 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,959 Speaker 1: hoping for a prayer to come from a late waiver 819 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 1: claim at wide receiver who also, by the way, wouldn't 820 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 1: have been here to build chemistry with Eli Manning, I 821 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: think that the expectation should be heavily kept in check 822 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: for that guy to come in and make an impact. Yeah. 823 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 1: I wasn't thinking when I said that earlier. I wasn't 824 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 1: think he as much guys that get cut at the 825 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 1: end of the day exactly. I was no, no, no, no, 826 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 1: John Sullivan and he was the Vikings. Okay, it'll come 827 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 1: to me. I'm gonna get it. But he but he 828 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: he was a center though he was thinking of a 829 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,240 Speaker 1: different You are on the right track there. It was okay, 830 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: it was something um but you know, when you take 831 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: a look at those receivers that are available now, there 832 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: are some veterans where if you get there and you're like, 833 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,320 Speaker 1: oh boy, we want a veteran herefore game, Thank you, 834 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 1: John Grego go ahead. I had to get to that. 835 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 1: Then you've a got like crab Tree or again, or 836 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 1: a guy like Camera Meredith, two guys that are out there. 837 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,439 Speaker 1: If the Giants determined that they need somebody to step 838 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 1: in and play, you know the guys they've added for 839 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 1: now or depth. There there guys to help in camp, right. 840 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 1: They're not guys that you think you're gonna compete for 841 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 1: a uh, you know, a roster spot, let alone a 842 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 1: starting spot. But if you get to the point where 843 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 1: you know Golden Tate's gonna be gonna going to be 844 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,759 Speaker 1: suspended for four games, maybe you take a longer look 845 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,279 Speaker 1: at some of these veterans that might want more playing time, 846 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:55,919 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I get that though, 847 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 1: I think t J. Jones, given the fact that he's 848 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,240 Speaker 1: gonna get a lot of reps here, could very well 849 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 1: solidify one of those roster spots, especially if Golden Tate 850 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 1: ends up on the suspended list. Yeah, so, I don't 851 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,879 Speaker 1: think that's a stretch. And the reason why they brought 852 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 1: back Amba at Atawo is because he also has familiarity 853 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 1: with the scheme too from last season, So that is 854 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 1: somebody that's gonna help. The other point I wanted to 855 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,440 Speaker 1: make before we get back to the phone lines. The 856 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 1: KHLA asked about whether or not they would put more 857 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,880 Speaker 1: defensive backs on the field if they're not confident in 858 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,840 Speaker 1: the coverage from the linebackers, and he brought up the 859 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,280 Speaker 1: Chargers Ravens playoff game, which I thought was a good example. 860 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 1: Keep in mind, though, Matt, the Chargers were decimated by 861 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,759 Speaker 1: injuries at the linebackers spot for that playoff game. That 862 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 1: was part of the rationale why their defensive coordinator went 863 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 1: in the direction of we gotta rely on the healthy guys. 864 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 1: That was one reason that I want to point out. 865 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,319 Speaker 1: It's not necessarily a health issue. But when you do 866 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 1: look at the Giants personnel, John and you say the 867 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 1: versatility of Jabril Peppers and then bringing in Antoine Bethet, 868 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,959 Speaker 1: Michael Thomas, he could play in the slot, he could 869 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,439 Speaker 1: play safety. I could see Selian Love is another one 870 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,240 Speaker 1: where I was gonna get was the real safety look. 871 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,279 Speaker 1: And then with three corners, I don't think that's a 872 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,800 Speaker 1: crazy suggestion right now, and use Peppers as the second 873 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 1: line back, all right, exactly. I think I don't think 874 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 1: that's out of the question. So that is something that 875 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 1: I would look at and the Giants have done that, 876 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,239 Speaker 1: not when Betcher was here. Remember when they'll always put 877 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,799 Speaker 1: that third safety out there. So yeah, that I could 878 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,319 Speaker 1: see them roll out if they feel good about what 879 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,279 Speaker 1: they see out of some of these other safeties in 880 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 1: the versatility they can bring to the table. All right, 881 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 1: let's go back to the phone to say what's up 882 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 1: to Mike down in Florida. Then David and California will 883 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,879 Speaker 1: be next. Mike. What's up John at Lance, how you doing? 884 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 1: What's all right? John? I want to give you uh 885 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,279 Speaker 1: some kudos on the podcast with Kurt Warner. Excellent job, 886 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,799 Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate that. I honestly, he was very 887 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 1: generous with this time. He was very honest and forthright. 888 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 1: It was it was fun to do. I was, you know, 889 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 1: it's kind of fascinated by a lot of things you said. 890 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,399 Speaker 1: One of them was at the point when Eli uh, 891 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:03,480 Speaker 1: they made they switch off to Eli. I think dude 892 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,479 Speaker 1: five and three and five or five and four, five 893 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,319 Speaker 1: and four and the be the bet and then I'm 894 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 1: gonna drum to real quick Mike. What got me was 895 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 1: Tom Coughlin basically said to him, I know this isn't 896 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:15,959 Speaker 1: fair to you. But this is what we have to do, 897 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 1: which I thought was really really interesting that Tom was 898 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,439 Speaker 1: so honest with him, to be quite honest with you. Yeah, 899 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,919 Speaker 1: that seems to be where I, you know, obviously never 900 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,200 Speaker 1: met the man, but that seems to be as Mr. 901 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 1: He always has a face to face with somebody and 902 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,920 Speaker 1: lets them know, this is why I'm doing it, and 903 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:39,400 Speaker 1: this is you know, the situation. UM. The team. The 904 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:44,480 Speaker 1: other thing I found it interesting, UM, a team that 905 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 1: made the playoffs that year was eight and eight, So 906 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,280 Speaker 1: that was a gut seat called by UM by coach Coughlin. 907 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,719 Speaker 1: But I just I feel he made it because I 908 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 1: don't think he he thought the team was gonna if 909 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 1: they did even make the play else that they were 910 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 1: going to go very far and it was more important 911 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:08,359 Speaker 1: to get Eli some snaps. Yeah. I got a couple 912 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 1: of questions, UM, what do you guys feel about the 913 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,680 Speaker 1: competition for the third running back slot. I know you're 914 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 1: talking about Rod Smith before. I liked Freakings before his injury. UM. 915 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,280 Speaker 1: I think coach McAdoo at the time and actually named 916 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,000 Speaker 1: him before the jeason started. He was the lead back. 917 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 1: He was going to be the starting running back that year. UM. 918 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:38,600 Speaker 1: And then also the third tight end spot because I'm 919 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,320 Speaker 1: hearing a lot of great things about c. J. Conrad, 920 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 1: not much about Scott Simonson. And I'm wondering if you 921 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,359 Speaker 1: know what you guys think because because of what I'm 922 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,480 Speaker 1: hearing it from from you guys, and uh and Paul, 923 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:59,320 Speaker 1: Paul seems to be sky high on c J. Conrad too. Um. 924 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:04,879 Speaker 1: And the last thing, Uh, big big George, we don't 925 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 1: have much about him. Um. I was wondering, how is 926 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:12,960 Speaker 1: his development is coming along? There's a bug. You get 927 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,239 Speaker 1: to see all the practices and you know, I know 928 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 1: you like to keep your line on on the trenches too. 929 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,239 Speaker 1: Does he get much work? Now? Look, George, George gets 930 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,080 Speaker 1: some work with the threes. He sometimes moves up to 931 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,360 Speaker 1: the twos when Remors and Solder get a couple of 932 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,480 Speaker 1: plays off because they're coming back from those injuries. He's 933 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 1: been fine. But I look, I think asking for a 934 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,239 Speaker 1: seventh round offensive tackle to give you anything in this 935 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,720 Speaker 1: first year is asking a lot. Even Chad Well, remember 936 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,439 Speaker 1: he was basically on the practice squad for that entire 937 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,600 Speaker 1: first year, didn't give anything. So I think expecting anything 938 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,480 Speaker 1: from Georgia year one is probably asking a lot. Real quick. 939 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 1: On the other two points, I think rod Smith has 940 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,200 Speaker 1: looked better than Perkins. I'm a Perkins fan, you know me. 941 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 1: I made a floor to myself talking about how good 942 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,480 Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna be two years ago. I 943 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,319 Speaker 1: still like him, but I think rod Smith has looked 944 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,960 Speaker 1: pretty good so far in practice and then what was 945 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,440 Speaker 1: And then then you have Conrad. He's has made more 946 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 1: plays than Simons and through the area has. I think 947 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:03,960 Speaker 1: Simonson might be a little bit a bit of a 948 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,239 Speaker 1: blocker at the current time, but I think Conrad is 949 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,439 Speaker 1: a real good chance of making this team lands well 950 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,120 Speaker 1: with Simonson. Also, you know, remember he was on the 951 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,200 Speaker 1: team last year. I think they know what they get 952 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,200 Speaker 1: out of him, and Simonson was never necessarily a guy 953 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,840 Speaker 1: that was wowing you with practice plays, even if you 954 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,399 Speaker 1: go back to last season. The one thing I will 955 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,880 Speaker 1: say is if they do want the extra blocker, it 956 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,440 Speaker 1: would not surprise me if Conrad maybe is a potential 957 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,120 Speaker 1: guy that goes on the practice squad. It depends on needs, 958 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,600 Speaker 1: depends on how injuries play out. Just because a guy 959 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,680 Speaker 1: is not active and flashing and stealing all the highlights 960 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,359 Speaker 1: at practice doesn't mean that he's not doing a good 961 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,880 Speaker 1: job and the coaches don't value him, So I wouldn't 962 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,200 Speaker 1: dismiss that so quickly. As far as the running back 963 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,000 Speaker 1: position is concerned, I do think there is something to 964 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,800 Speaker 1: be said of a guy that missed all of last season, 965 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,680 Speaker 1: yet they still kept him in the mix and they 966 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,319 Speaker 1: brought him back and referring to Paul Perkins John, so 967 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,080 Speaker 1: you know that is something that once again also shouldn't 968 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,000 Speaker 1: be overlooked. Rod Smith is a versatile back. He's also 969 00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,840 Speaker 1: a guy that started off as a fullback with the 970 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,920 Speaker 1: how Boys, so that has to be factored in. I 971 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,600 Speaker 1: wouldn't necessarily give anybody a specific edge. I think rod 972 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,680 Speaker 1: Smith's made a little bit more noise at practice, but 973 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,840 Speaker 1: I think what's going to separate those guys is the 974 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,040 Speaker 1: preseason games. Who takes advantage of the reps, who makes 975 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,040 Speaker 1: some more explosive plays. But don't overlook the fact that 976 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,120 Speaker 1: Perkins was kept around. That means something I think in 977 00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,680 Speaker 1: the eyes of the coaching staff. One quick thing, Um, 978 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:27,320 Speaker 1: I appreciate the answers right on Um John from yesterday. 979 00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,120 Speaker 1: Do you know if the Giants worked out Victor Cruzer 980 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,680 Speaker 1: hockey Nick? I have not heard that that had happened 981 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,160 Speaker 1: I appreciate the call. Thanks a lot, man. Always good 982 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,920 Speaker 1: here from you. Mike. Yeah, that was not reported, despite 983 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:44,759 Speaker 1: what the guy on line too might want. Oh boy, 984 00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:49,480 Speaker 1: what did I miss? No, we're not going there now. Okay, 985 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,440 Speaker 1: well I didn't even hear about this off the air, 986 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,160 Speaker 1: So that's why I haven't treating. I'm gonna make him wait. 987 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:59,800 Speaker 1: Let's go to David and California. He's oh, now, what's up? David? Surprised? Hey, 988 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,120 Speaker 1: thank thanks for taking my car. Hey, I got a question. 989 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,080 Speaker 1: Do you think they're gonna run the qualm between the 990 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,840 Speaker 1: tackles this year? Because right the where I see it 991 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,399 Speaker 1: is the gentleman's building that line from the inside out. 992 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,840 Speaker 1: Those are some pretty beefy guys inside Zeitler and the 993 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,120 Speaker 1: Hernandez kid. They're saying how strong he is. Now, little 994 00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:21,520 Speaker 1: tackles are adequate, but they're building that line from the 995 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,360 Speaker 1: inside out, And I'm asking, do you think they're gonna 996 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,560 Speaker 1: put that kid through the tackles? Yes? I think they will. 997 00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,640 Speaker 1: Now it's going to be se Kwan's responsibility to be 998 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,120 Speaker 1: disciplined and stay between the tackles once he gets there. 999 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,359 Speaker 1: But yeah, I think the strength of this line right 1000 00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:34,800 Speaker 1: now David, you hit it on the head. Are the 1001 00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,560 Speaker 1: two hour guard spots, you know? I think Zeitler is 1002 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,400 Speaker 1: the best lineman on the team, and I think Hernandez 1003 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,399 Speaker 1: probably has the potential will be the second best guy. 1004 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,840 Speaker 1: Is he better than Solder and Remembers yet? I don't know. 1005 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,120 Speaker 1: Maybe not, Maybe he can get there. He's still young. 1006 00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,640 Speaker 1: But I think the strength of this team right now 1007 00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,080 Speaker 1: is at guard. And if you have two really good guards, 1008 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:53,480 Speaker 1: that's gonna help you a lot of the brde game, 1009 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,640 Speaker 1: no question about it. Also provide a pocket for you 1010 00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:01,040 Speaker 1: right to step up and zip that ball in. So 1011 00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,080 Speaker 1: with that being said, I gotta disagree with your run 1012 00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,840 Speaker 1: to pass ratio. I think it's going in the other direction. 1013 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,719 Speaker 1: I think they're gonna go to a more balanced approach, 1014 00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:14,680 Speaker 1: control the clock and use the defense as fresh and 1015 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,359 Speaker 1: fast as possible, because that's what you get with young 1016 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:21,239 Speaker 1: guys right, fast and fresh. So if they run the 1017 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,600 Speaker 1: ball more, control the clock more, it keeps the defense 1018 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,200 Speaker 1: off the field a little bit more and lets us 1019 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,600 Speaker 1: control the clock what control in the temple of the 1020 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,800 Speaker 1: game as well. Yeah, but keep in mind, winning time 1021 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,720 Speaker 1: of possession is irrelevant if it doesn't equate to points. 1022 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,359 Speaker 1: Thank you. We've had these conversations time and time again, 1023 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,399 Speaker 1: David on this show. I'm with you, and I think 1024 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,719 Speaker 1: people point to the Dallas Cowboys doing that with their 1025 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,960 Speaker 1: running game, but also the Cowboys offense put points on 1026 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,880 Speaker 1: the board. So I get your point. Yes, you do 1027 00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,600 Speaker 1: want to keep the defense fresh, especially a young defense 1028 00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,480 Speaker 1: which is unproven with an unproven pass rush. But if 1029 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,759 Speaker 1: you're putting together these lengthy drives, which we've seen the 1030 00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,160 Speaker 1: Giants do at times, and then Oldrich Rosas is coming 1031 00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,120 Speaker 1: out to kick three points, that's not necessarily the recipe 1032 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,680 Speaker 1: for success, David. So the time of possession has to 1033 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,520 Speaker 1: be synonymous with touchdowns. If it becomes synonymous with touchdowns, 1034 00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,359 Speaker 1: I think then your plan is gonna work. If it's 1035 00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,759 Speaker 1: not synonymous with touchdowns, then it really doesn't make a 1036 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:17,560 Speaker 1: difference in the big picture. Okay, I agree with let's 1037 00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:27,680 Speaker 1: hope they make some touchdowns. Appreciate the phone the run 1038 00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:35,919 Speaker 1: pass splits for all the teams. I mean, if I'll 1039 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,000 Speaker 1: just throw out the numbers in terms of passes versus 1040 00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,839 Speaker 1: runs for the Giants last year, this is not necessarily 1041 00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,920 Speaker 1: a ratio point, but just volume. The Giants through the 1042 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:50,000 Speaker 1: ball three hundred excuse me, five hundred eighty three times. 1043 00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,480 Speaker 1: That's how many times they threw, and they ran three 1044 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:56,520 Speaker 1: hundred fifty four, So you know they were near six 1045 00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:00,720 Speaker 1: hundred passes and they were just over three hundred fifty runs. 1046 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,839 Speaker 1: Do you want to get to about four hundred runs? Yeah, 1047 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:06,920 Speaker 1: I think in an ideal world you'd want to do that. 1048 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,879 Speaker 1: To put things in perspective, last season, the team that 1049 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,440 Speaker 1: ran the ball the most, just so you could look 1050 00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:17,400 Speaker 1: at value, was Seattle at no. Actually wait, let me 1051 00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,919 Speaker 1: double check. You may be right Baltimore. Seattle was second. 1052 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:22,960 Speaker 1: That makes sense because of the quarterback. That makes sense. 1053 00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:27,080 Speaker 1: Baltimore five hundred forty seven, Seattle five thirty four. Now 1054 00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,560 Speaker 1: I threw out if the Giants could run about fifty 1055 00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,279 Speaker 1: more times, where would that have put them? If you 1056 00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,520 Speaker 1: had four hundred carries last season as a team, you 1057 00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,479 Speaker 1: would have finished eighteenth in the NFL. So that would 1058 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,480 Speaker 1: have put you just below the midweight point. To be 1059 00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:46,719 Speaker 1: top fifteen was four eleven, to be top ten was 1060 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,280 Speaker 1: four thirty nine. The Cowboys were tenth overall in the NFL, 1061 00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,799 Speaker 1: and they were at four thirty nine. So if you 1062 00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,240 Speaker 1: are looking for a huge jump, that means that, based 1063 00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,440 Speaker 1: on the three hundred fifty four carries that they had 1064 00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,160 Speaker 1: last season, they're gon I have to run the ball 1065 00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,200 Speaker 1: about eighty more times than they did last season. Now 1066 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,200 Speaker 1: the way that they do that, remember, is also based 1067 00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,120 Speaker 1: on third down efficiency. Let's not forget about that. You know, 1068 00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,400 Speaker 1: that was an area that was not very strong for 1069 00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,360 Speaker 1: the Giants last season, and that plays into what the 1070 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,400 Speaker 1: last caller point out about time of possession. You have 1071 00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,000 Speaker 1: to be able to convert third downs or better yet, 1072 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,719 Speaker 1: to avoid seeing third downs. And the way you do 1073 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,560 Speaker 1: that is you're much more efficient on first and second down. Now, 1074 00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:31,000 Speaker 1: I'm bringing up the statistics from last season in terms 1075 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,000 Speaker 1: of where the Giants were on third down, and this 1076 00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,720 Speaker 1: has been an achilles heel for the Giants even before 1077 00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:40,520 Speaker 1: Pat Shermer arrived. Last season, the Giants were twenty five 1078 00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:45,520 Speaker 1: in the NFL thirty six six. I got the list. 1079 00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,440 Speaker 1: I foundly found it. Alright, here we go. Okay, only 1080 00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,319 Speaker 1: one team rushed the ball more than fifty of the 1081 00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,319 Speaker 1: time last year. That was the Seahawks. Okay, they were 1082 00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:58,600 Speaker 1: fifty two point eight. Next two teams forty eight point four, 1083 00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:02,279 Speaker 1: Tennessee forty eight point to Baltimore. Then you get all 1084 00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,960 Speaker 1: the way down to forty six, and just just for 1085 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:12,960 Speaker 1: the league average purposes, the sixteen and seventeen ranked team 1086 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,160 Speaker 1: in terms of amount they rushed the ball, we're forty. 1087 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,560 Speaker 1: So if you rushed the ball forty three percent of 1088 00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,200 Speaker 1: the time, you're gonna be in the top ten the 1089 00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:26,920 Speaker 1: league in terms of run past splits. That's where I 1090 00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,799 Speaker 1: think the Giants would max out out of there. If 1091 00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,759 Speaker 1: they run the ball more than forty three percent of 1092 00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,000 Speaker 1: the time this year, I'd be surprised. Just out of curiosity. 1093 00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,280 Speaker 1: Do you have the ability to go back a season 1094 00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:38,960 Speaker 1: or two on that list or that just what you 1095 00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,320 Speaker 1: want to I want you to look up the Minnesota 1096 00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:45,400 Speaker 1: Vikings when Shermer was the offensive cord, so that correct. 1097 00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,399 Speaker 1: I just want to see that as a basis of 1098 00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,240 Speaker 1: what the run to pass racetion. Now granted, different personnel, 1099 00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:55,040 Speaker 1: different offensive line. Before John throws out the number, understand that. 1100 00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,040 Speaker 1: But if you're looking for a philosophy or what the 1101 00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,759 Speaker 1: ideal condition is for the head coach, that would be 1102 00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,000 Speaker 1: an to look at forty seven and a half percent, 1103 00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,000 Speaker 1: which is on the very high side. But here's here's 1104 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,400 Speaker 1: why they're able to do that though. What was the 1105 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,600 Speaker 1: strongest part of the Vikings team in well case, Keenan 1106 00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,480 Speaker 1: was the quarterback, so they leaned on the running game. Well, 1107 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,399 Speaker 1: they had a great defense, true, No, right, And that's 1108 00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:19,759 Speaker 1: the thing, guys. And this goes back to Lance's original point, 1109 00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:24,279 Speaker 1: which was the right one. You gotta score points. I 1110 00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,960 Speaker 1: don't give it, guys. I'm gonna go I'm gonna take 1111 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:31,000 Speaker 1: you back. Okay, go back to the two thousand and 1112 00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:35,560 Speaker 1: seven NFC champion NFC Divisional playoff game in Dallas against 1113 00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,440 Speaker 1: the Cowboys, and I will bring up the game for 1114 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,560 Speaker 1: you just to give you an idea of exactly how 1115 00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,359 Speaker 1: that game went. Okay, because you remember in that game, 1116 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:49,680 Speaker 1: in the first half, the Giants were literally dominated on 1117 00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,480 Speaker 1: the ground by the by the Dallas Cowboys rushing attack. 1118 00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,280 Speaker 1: And I'll give you the numbers, okay, in that game 1119 00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:59,080 Speaker 1: that will be playoff week number two, as they bring 1120 00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,239 Speaker 1: up the box score here in the first half of 1121 00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,120 Speaker 1: that game, just to give you, guys an idea of 1122 00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:09,560 Speaker 1: how it went. Okay, where'st first half? Here we go. 1123 00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:14,280 Speaker 1: The Cowboys ran the ball twenty times for a hundred 1124 00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:19,200 Speaker 1: and thirteen yards in the first half. Marian Barber was 1125 00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,520 Speaker 1: sixteen for one. Oh one is six point three yard 1126 00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:26,400 Speaker 1: average in one touchdown. Okay, the time of possession in 1127 00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,200 Speaker 1: the first half, let's see if I have that here, 1128 00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:33,080 Speaker 1: seventeen minutes for the Galas Cowboys, twelve minutes for the 1129 00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:37,040 Speaker 1: New York Football Giants. Big difference, right, huge deal? Right? 1130 00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:42,759 Speaker 1: You know what? The score wasn't halftime fourteen? Even if 1131 00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:44,360 Speaker 1: you look at the final stats, which I have in 1132 00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,080 Speaker 1: front of me, it's still lopsided with time of possession, 1133 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,560 Speaker 1: even third down efficiency and rushing yards of the Cowboys. 1134 00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:58,000 Speaker 1: The way it ended. You gotta score points. That's what matters. 1135 00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:02,520 Speaker 1: And in this league, like I said before, you score 1136 00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,120 Speaker 1: points by throwing the ball and by making big place. Now, say, 1137 00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:06,840 Speaker 1: qua makes it easier because you canna make big plays 1138 00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,239 Speaker 1: on the ground, but eventually you're gonna have to add 1139 00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,960 Speaker 1: the ball out a little bit. You just are. Yeah. Well, 1140 00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,280 Speaker 1: and I remember in that game, just to stay on topic, 1141 00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,240 Speaker 1: just another example of how the final stats don't always 1142 00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:23,160 Speaker 1: necessarily translate to which team wins. I mean the Cowboys game. 1143 00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,560 Speaker 1: If you remember that Patrick create and drop where he 1144 00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,320 Speaker 1: had wide open space up ahead, and I'm sure Dallas 1145 00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:33,200 Speaker 1: looks back at that game decade after and says, hey, 1146 00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,000 Speaker 1: you know, time of possession would have looked a lot 1147 00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,640 Speaker 1: nicer if Creton would have caught that. So you got 1148 00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:39,480 Speaker 1: to avoid the mistakes and you gotta be able to 1149 00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:40,759 Speaker 1: find the end zone. And what was the difference for 1150 00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,440 Speaker 1: the Giants in that first half in the Monti Tumor touchdown? Correct, 1151 00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:48,680 Speaker 1: you broke up Patrick Henry. Anthony Anthony had an Anthony 1152 00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,400 Speaker 1: sorry Anthony Henry tackle when he ran fifty two yards 1153 00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,439 Speaker 1: for a touchdown. So, guys, that's what the game is now. 1154 00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,239 Speaker 1: It just isn't if you go to those percentages, No 1155 00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:01,280 Speaker 1: one's even no, not one team was a fifty seventeen 1156 00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,520 Speaker 1: in terms of run passplits. Middle of the leaders are 1157 00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:07,160 Speaker 1: on thirty forty two percent, forty one and a half percent. 1158 00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:09,560 Speaker 1: That's just what it is. That's that's how the league is, 1159 00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:14,360 Speaker 1: right And remember Shermer, Yeah he likes to run the ball, obviously, 1160 00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,840 Speaker 1: but he he's gonna throw it too. This is not 1161 00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:18,720 Speaker 1: gonna be the you know, the Ravens of the Seahawks 1162 00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,360 Speaker 1: last year where it's you know, fifty two, because you 1163 00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,239 Speaker 1: remember those teams have good defenses too. You know, if 1164 00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,120 Speaker 1: you you know, if you try to establish, you know, 1165 00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,759 Speaker 1: established the run, and you have to punt two or 1166 00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:31,719 Speaker 1: three times. You might be down seventeen nothing and then 1167 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,719 Speaker 1: you're screwed. It's hard to operate that way. You know. 1168 00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,279 Speaker 1: What's another example to look at? Once again, this is 1169 00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,560 Speaker 1: only one game, if memory serves to be correct, John, 1170 00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,720 Speaker 1: which game game that Shermer took over for Chip Kelly 1171 00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:48,080 Speaker 1: was at the end of the fifteen season. Boy, he 1172 00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,040 Speaker 1: was the interim coach. I want to say it was 1173 00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,919 Speaker 1: two thousand fifteen, because it's sixteen. I believe he joined 1174 00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:56,080 Speaker 1: the Vikings seventeen he was the full time o CE 1175 00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,960 Speaker 1: because in sixteen he was the tight ends coach behind North. 1176 00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,560 Speaker 1: I think it was the last game of two thousand fifteen, 1177 00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,640 Speaker 1: and I'll try to find it too, against the Giants. 1178 00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:07,120 Speaker 1: Against the Giants one that game. Now, if you remember, 1179 00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,560 Speaker 1: the narrative for the Eagles that whole season was they 1180 00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,759 Speaker 1: were horrible in time of possession, right because they ran 1181 00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:14,960 Speaker 1: so quickly and they were not running the ball with 1182 00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,200 Speaker 1: DeMarco Murray, right. But what happened in that game they 1183 00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:22,399 Speaker 1: ran the ball with DeMarco Murray. I'm just having flashbacks 1184 00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:24,839 Speaker 1: for sixty nine. But he did have a fifty four 1185 00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,200 Speaker 1: yard running that game. Yeah, and I remember they came 1186 00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,640 Speaker 1: out very strong with the rushing attack. So the point 1187 00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:32,680 Speaker 1: I'm bringing up is, by the way, San Bradford did 1188 00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:35,319 Speaker 1: go thirty of thirty eight for three in that game too. 1189 00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,920 Speaker 1: Not a bad day at the office at all. Yeah. 1190 00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,600 Speaker 1: I remember the Eagles offense had their coming out party, 1191 00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,839 Speaker 1: except it was a little too late, and that it 1192 00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,239 Speaker 1: was the last week of the season. Jennings seven for 1193 00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,000 Speaker 1: one seventy in that game. I've forgotten about that. Yeah, 1194 00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,440 Speaker 1: But the reason I brought that game up was to 1195 00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,759 Speaker 1: emphasize your point about Schremer's philosophy and how you know 1196 00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,520 Speaker 1: he's aware of what it takes to win, what it 1197 00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,839 Speaker 1: takes to protect other facets of the team, And and 1198 00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:00,840 Speaker 1: that was a game where was like where it was 1199 00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,520 Speaker 1: this from Philadelphia the whole season. They were abandoning DeMarco 1200 00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:05,759 Speaker 1: Murray the entire year, and then the last game of 1201 00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,000 Speaker 1: the season they finally showcase him. So that's just one 1202 00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,719 Speaker 1: philosophical game that jumps out to me. Final call of 1203 00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:15,200 Speaker 1: the show is Charlie in Portland, Maine. Hey Charlie, how 1204 00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,000 Speaker 1: are you no intro today? You know you're in the doghouse. 1205 00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,280 Speaker 1: You know you're in the doghouse when you don't get 1206 00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:26,320 Speaker 1: an We're getting closer at two o'clock. Don't make excuse. 1207 00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,239 Speaker 1: And I have tweets I need to get in, so 1208 00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,120 Speaker 1: we're trying to. I think you're gonna go this out 1209 00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:32,960 Speaker 1: of your way to protect him. But go ahead, Charlie. 1210 00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,439 Speaker 1: It sounds like you. Charlie's a paint in my butt. 1211 00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,319 Speaker 1: That's more like it. That's more like it. That's all 1212 00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,719 Speaker 1: I wanted. What do you got? All right? Guys, hey, 1213 00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,600 Speaker 1: you know you're talking about you couldn't people call in 1214 00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,719 Speaker 1: They say time of possession, we should run the ball more. 1215 00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,440 Speaker 1: They're not saying just do that and not score this. 1216 00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:58,160 Speaker 1: Do that? I mean they're not is not done. But Charlie, 1217 00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,800 Speaker 1: ye a trolly. The point isn't the time of possession. 1218 00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,839 Speaker 1: The point is the score. All right. Let me give 1219 00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:10,520 Speaker 1: you a two games. Notice he didn't even the Patriots 1220 00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:15,600 Speaker 1: super Bowl against Anna. Guess what salantahead just ran that 1221 00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:23,320 Speaker 1: stupid ball wouldn't have been Super Bowl champs. Let you 1222 00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:30,759 Speaker 1: right about that with with you know who? That's that 1223 00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:34,200 Speaker 1: that situational football. The whole point of the run game 1224 00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:36,840 Speaker 1: is that once you get the lead, you go for 1225 00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,359 Speaker 1: the run game. How does Falcons get that big lead 1226 00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:41,800 Speaker 1: against the Patriots, by the way, was it through? It 1227 00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:43,680 Speaker 1: was it through throwing the ball through the air and 1228 00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,520 Speaker 1: making big plays? Oh I think it was yeah, and 1229 00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,239 Speaker 1: then they should have ran. But of course, but you 1230 00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:54,800 Speaker 1: score points first. That's the point. And that's what I'm saying. 1231 00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,839 Speaker 1: That's what people are saying. They're I'm saying, just run 1232 00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:01,840 Speaker 1: the bad of the game. They're saying, when it counts, 1233 00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:05,720 Speaker 1: when we've got and we need to you know, stop 1234 00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,200 Speaker 1: the team and not let them have the ball back. 1235 00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:12,680 Speaker 1: They're saying, let's fun damn to do it efficiently, so 1236 00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,440 Speaker 1: we keep them off the field, or we you know, 1237 00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,480 Speaker 1: we take and we run it out. I mean that 1238 00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,600 Speaker 1: that's what they're talking about. They're not talking about just 1239 00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,240 Speaker 1: session like that's the big score at the end of 1240 00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,640 Speaker 1: the game. Well, we had it thirty five minutes and 1241 00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,880 Speaker 1: they had That's not you know, that's not what people 1242 00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,320 Speaker 1: are saying. But that's a big detail that's left out. 1243 00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,880 Speaker 1: Number one. And I'm not saying that we are overlooking that. 1244 00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:38,720 Speaker 1: Maybe a number of people who weigh in on that 1245 00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,200 Speaker 1: are thinking from that lens. But you have to emphasize 1246 00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,520 Speaker 1: its time of possession combined with score, to say that 1247 00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,480 Speaker 1: you have to make that clear. You can't just throw out. 1248 00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:48,560 Speaker 1: You want them to run the football so you rest 1249 00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:50,480 Speaker 1: your defense. I could give you plenty of examples of 1250 00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:52,920 Speaker 1: teams that run the ball to rest their defense and 1251 00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:54,760 Speaker 1: then they end up with field goals and it doesn't 1252 00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:58,120 Speaker 1: do anything for them, Charlie, So you have to emphasize 1253 00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,360 Speaker 1: that they are correct. You have to emphasize, Okay, such 1254 00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,720 Speaker 1: game is out right, Yeah, real quicklie fish, if we 1255 00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:05,960 Speaker 1: don't have goals to take, he's got to be out 1256 00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:10,080 Speaker 1: four games. They've two games. It's lucky. And say even 1257 00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,960 Speaker 1: if if you know if Shepherd plays, you know how 1258 00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,680 Speaker 1: you know he is he going to be still a 1259 00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:21,000 Speaker 1: little bit injured Shepherd. Shepherd should be fine for week one, 1260 00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,240 Speaker 1: all right, Yeah, but when is he going to start practicing? 1261 00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,880 Speaker 1: Like playoff game a couple of weeks, the poff game 1262 00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:31,040 Speaker 1: a couple of second or preseason. This guy is skipping 1263 00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:32,840 Speaker 1: ahead to the playoffs. I didn't know they played playoff 1264 00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,880 Speaker 1: games before the regular That's what I meant. Okay, See, 1265 00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,280 Speaker 1: this is why we clarify what we say on this program. 1266 00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:43,240 Speaker 1: Charlie Big thumbs up to you on that. But go ahead, Okay, 1267 00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:47,360 Speaker 1: you're like the proof father. That's good. I take that 1268 00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,520 Speaker 1: role with the tremendous out the project fish. So let 1269 00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,680 Speaker 1: let's hear this synopsis here. Okay, So so sterling Shepherd, 1270 00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:55,240 Speaker 1: what what what do you want us to update? What 1271 00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:59,440 Speaker 1: I'm saying is we need to get the wide favor 1272 00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:03,840 Speaker 1: that's going to be scared off and we'll plan. If 1273 00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:07,600 Speaker 1: we don't, then they're gonna smother Barkley and in that 1274 00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:11,360 Speaker 1: first game, and you got going up against your linebackers 1275 00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:20,640 Speaker 1: that you want to put him on. Yeah, yeah, let 1276 00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,040 Speaker 1: him go. Sorry, Tarlie, your phone was cutting. Now. We 1277 00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:25,880 Speaker 1: we had trouble here and you're sorry about that. When 1278 00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:27,800 Speaker 1: you focus on offsetive linemen who are not in the 1279 00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:29,760 Speaker 1: league anymore, if you don't have golden tate against Dallas, 1280 00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,840 Speaker 1: you have to figure things out. It's time for tweets. 1281 00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,400 Speaker 1: Chris Whalen, assuming ELI starts the year, will be real 1282 00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:39,120 Speaker 1: quick on this and what events have to happen in 1283 00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,600 Speaker 1: season for Jones to get starts. And we've talked about 1284 00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,880 Speaker 1: this a million times. Lands A. ELI keeps Daniel Jones 1285 00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,160 Speaker 1: off the field by doing two things. Winning games, and 1286 00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,720 Speaker 1: playing well. If one of those two things aren't in 1287 00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:53,120 Speaker 1: the equation, that's when the Daniel Jones possibility becomes clear. 1288 00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:56,000 Speaker 1: First simple, and then I thought Ben Gruin we talked 1289 00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:58,240 Speaker 1: about the eighteen game schedule the other day. He makes 1290 00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:01,280 Speaker 1: a good point. If you play eighteen games and everyone's 1291 01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:04,760 Speaker 1: playing eighteen games, all your single season records you can 1292 01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:08,640 Speaker 1: just throw them away. Which kind of sticks you're talking 1293 01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,760 Speaker 1: about the single season records from the archives? Yeah, I mean, 1294 01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,360 Speaker 1: like you know, most rushing yards in the season was 1295 01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,960 Speaker 1: passing because season players are gonna have two additional games worth. Yeah, 1296 01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:20,800 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to have the eighteen game records versus 1297 01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,840 Speaker 1: the sixteen game records. Though, in fairness, if you do 1298 01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:25,840 Speaker 1: look at the evolution in the history of the NFL, 1299 01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:28,480 Speaker 1: they went from twelve to fourteen to sixteen, So I 1300 01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:30,920 Speaker 1: mean it progressively. Does has been through this before? This 1301 01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,240 Speaker 1: is not necessarily anything now. And finally, Anson win. Have 1302 01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:36,200 Speaker 1: you guys seen anything special so far from Austin Drewsma. 1303 01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,600 Speaker 1: He is the shot putterer who did not play at 1304 01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:42,280 Speaker 1: all in college. In terms of football, he'sn't played since 1305 01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,400 Speaker 1: high school. The Giants did sign to a three year 1306 01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,880 Speaker 1: rookie deal. To me, he is a classic, you know, 1307 01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:50,640 Speaker 1: keep and developed guy, the same way they did with 1308 01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:52,440 Speaker 1: Brett Jones when they sign them War from Canada. They 1309 01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,200 Speaker 1: kept them the practice squad a year, developed them in 1310 01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:57,680 Speaker 1: something they love us athleticism. That's something that's going to 1311 01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:00,720 Speaker 1: be a process. Yeah. I mean, once again, when you 1312 01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:03,200 Speaker 1: have these players that don't have a wealth of experience, 1313 01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,520 Speaker 1: I think, you know, part of it is, like anything else, 1314 01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,680 Speaker 1: to build up these players and get them to the 1315 01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:10,800 Speaker 1: point where they're comfortable with the layout of the land 1316 01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:12,720 Speaker 1: in the NFL, and then maybe a year from now, 1317 01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,240 Speaker 1: you know, then you can have them spread their wings. 1318 01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:17,640 Speaker 1: I think Brett Jones is a great comparison. People forget 1319 01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:19,440 Speaker 1: year one. He did not all of a sudden come 1320 01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:24,040 Speaker 1: out exactly so, but that year that he was on 1321 01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:26,120 Speaker 1: the sideline and still at least part of the organization, 1322 01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:28,400 Speaker 1: John proved to be valuable. Absolutely hope the same thing 1323 01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:30,600 Speaker 1: for DRUGSMA this year if he does in fact wind 1324 01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:33,160 Speaker 1: up on the practice squad for a lancet on, John Schmo, 1325 01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:36,280 Speaker 1: thanks for joining us on Big Blue Kickoff Live tonight, 1326 01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:40,280 Speaker 1: tune into the NFL. Um We have intel that there 1327 01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:42,160 Speaker 1: might be a Giant on the list they're doing players 1328 01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,200 Speaker 1: eleven through twenty. I hope you can take a guess 1329 01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:46,080 Speaker 1: who might be on there, and also make sure you 1330 01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:48,200 Speaker 1: check out the Giant Suttle podcast. You mentioned that earlier 1331 01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:49,880 Speaker 1: in the show had a chance to talk to Hall 1332 01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,160 Speaker 1: of Famer Kurt Warner. To make sure you check that 1333 01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,439 Speaker 1: out on all your favorite podcast platforms. And by the way, 1334 01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:55,880 Speaker 1: if you guys liked this show and you wanted a 1335 01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,240 Speaker 1: podcast for him, go to the New York Giants audio 1336 01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,919 Speaker 1: feed on your podcast play patforms and you can find 1337 01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,919 Speaker 1: Big Blue Kickoff Live there and of course MSG. Tonight 1338 01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:08,040 Speaker 1: at six thirty we will have Giants Training Camp report 1339 01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:10,720 Speaker 1: as well fer Lance Metal on John Schmilk. We'll see 1340 01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:13,880 Speaker 1: you tomorrow one o'clock. Big Blue Kickoff Live Audios