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Speaker 1: Hey there, welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways. I'm Joe,
Speaker 1: joined us always by Devin and Steve, and this week
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about another cool mystery. This of
Speaker 1: course the last of our summer series where we talk
Speaker 1: about mysteries that are kind of crappy, not really, actually
Speaker 1: this is this is actually a pretty good little mystery,
Speaker 1: but it's a little bit. Then we are going to
Speaker 1: debate it a little bit and we might have a
Speaker 1: few insights for you. Who knows. Okay, what we're talking
Speaker 1: about out this week is the disappearance of Brandon Swanson. Uh.
Speaker 1: He was resident of Marshall, Minnesota. Disappeared in two thousand eight.
Speaker 1: I first came across the mystery and Cracked dot com.
Speaker 1: It was an article about phone call mysteries and I
Speaker 1: really can't top their introduction, which is great, So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna quote it here in two thousand and eight, nineteen
Speaker 1: year old college student Brandon Swanson was driving home after
Speaker 1: a night out when he crashed into a ditch on
Speaker 1: a gravel road in the middle of nowhere in Minnesota.
Speaker 1: He knew as well as us that this was a
Speaker 1: classic horror movie set up, so we called his parents
Speaker 1: and asked for a ride. Unquote, thanks Crack dot com.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate the heads up on this period. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they are, they're they're actually they actually come up with
Speaker 1: some really good stuff. I love Cracked. Um. I should
Speaker 1: also give a shout out to Dustin and Diana who
Speaker 1: suggested this as well. Everybody. I think a lot of
Speaker 1: other people have to just sometimes stopped after two or three. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the list of names is actually bigger than the description
Speaker 1: of the mystery. Yeah, and there's only so much room
Speaker 1: the spreadsheet. Yeah and so and so all the rest
Speaker 1: that there is a finite number of rosen columns that
Speaker 1: you can have on a spreadsheet. Yeah. This this is
Speaker 1: a very popular mystery. Um. You know, I actually I
Speaker 1: talked to a local Minnesota reporter about this last week,
Speaker 1: and she said she's that her to her third and
Speaker 1: fourth most clicked on articles are articles about Brendon Swanson.
Speaker 1: And she says it's really strange too, because because she
Speaker 1: says it'll go along and nothing will happen, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, just the clicks just shoot up bam. And
Speaker 1: I just said, well, what happens. I know what happened?
Speaker 1: Is that generation why? Or maybe read it or somebody
Speaker 1: posted something about it, and then bam, your clicks are
Speaker 1: going to go. Wait all yeah, yeah, you promised to
Speaker 1: to link to one of our articles for actually I
Speaker 1: actually I did, I said, And she's and she actually
Speaker 1: wants me to. She wants me to let her know
Speaker 1: when it's going to go up, and and she said
Speaker 1: she might even do another article about it. Who knows.
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean, all right, so let's let's
Speaker 1: talk about the let's talking about Brandon. Enough about us, uh,
Speaker 1: As the song says, I'm going back to the start.
Speaker 1: Brandon was nineteen when he disappeared. He lived with his
Speaker 1: parents and his sister in Marshall, Minnesota, and he had
Speaker 1: just finished his first year of college. He was celebrating
Speaker 1: with some friends in the tiny town of Lynn, which
Speaker 1: is about six miles southwest of Marshall, Minnesota. He left
Speaker 1: Lynne around ten to ten thirty to go to the
Speaker 1: town of Canby, which is somewhat north there for another party.
Speaker 1: So just briefly, if if you're near a computer in
Speaker 1: a browser, get into Google Maps and find Marshall, Minnesota,
Speaker 1: UM and then zoom out a little bit and you'll
Speaker 1: see that Marshall is connected to the town of Camby
Speaker 1: by State Highway sixty eight. It's about, yeah, pretty much
Speaker 1: straight line. Yeah, it's to the northwest. So if you
Speaker 1: can see the town, if if you can see the
Speaker 1: towns of Canby and Marshall and Lynde, then that gives
Speaker 1: you a great geographic reference for this whole thing. And
Speaker 1: if you're not near a computer, well, you know, go
Speaker 1: look at it. But this it's how it's really helpful
Speaker 1: to be able to see this, because this is a
Speaker 1: bit of geographic mystery. As I said, Brandon hung out
Speaker 1: at the party it can be for a bit, and
Speaker 1: he left around midnight or maybe twelve thirty. Nobody's entirely
Speaker 1: sure exactly when he left. The date it was Wednesday,
Speaker 1: May fourteenth, two thousand and eight. At that party, he
Speaker 1: had a shot of whiskey, and he'd also have been
Speaker 1: drinking a bit at the party in Lynne. But he wasn't.
Speaker 1: He wasn't like, he wasn't anything. No, no, nobody reported
Speaker 1: that he was smashed, although, of course, on the other hand,
Speaker 1: if he was smashed, everybody to be saying, oh, no,
Speaker 1: he wasn't because nobody wants to be liable. True, So
Speaker 1: who knows. But I should imagine a noo that Brandon,
Speaker 1: as far as I know, had no substance abuse issues.
Speaker 1: He had no mental issues. He was a normal, well
Speaker 1: adjusted kids, nineteen year old guy who went to a
Speaker 1: couple of parties and had a couple of drinks. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: So you know, I don't. I have no evidence that
Speaker 1: he was smashed. When Brandon left can Be to go
Speaker 1: home to Marshall, he had a straight shot down Highway
Speaker 1: sixty eight. You guys are starting out. Yeah, And but
Speaker 1: he didn't do that. He took the back roads. I'm
Speaker 1: assuming that he did that to avoid the police because
Speaker 1: he had been drinking. Yeah that that's really the only
Speaker 1: reason that you would do that. Pretty much. I've done
Speaker 1: it a time or two when I lived in the
Speaker 1: rural areas, and that was the only reason that I
Speaker 1: went on those back roads and credited because it's easy
Speaker 1: to get lost. Oh yeah, yeah, and hindsight, but he
Speaker 1: really should have taken the highway. Yeah. I mean, well,
Speaker 1: if you're looking at Google, you can see you can
Speaker 1: see the back roads. And I'm talking about and this
Speaker 1: is the countryside in this area is flat farmland, and
Speaker 1: it's divided into sections as right. Yeah, yeah, it's actually
Speaker 1: their squares that are one mile on the side, and
Speaker 1: all the roads pretty much go on those section lines.
Speaker 1: So it's a grid. And we should mention, um on
Speaker 1: your phone, it's probably not going to show up, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this whole area zooming out to see the town. Yeah
Speaker 1: you're not. You don't have a screen, just as a mention. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but if you if you get on a big screen,
Speaker 1: you can see it quite well. UMU. And so Brandon,
Speaker 1: if when he left Canby, we don't know exactly what
Speaker 1: rude he took. He could have got He could have
Speaker 1: gone dew east nine miles and then he could have
Speaker 1: turned right and gone do south six and a half miles,
Speaker 1: or he could have gone in a stair step fashion
Speaker 1: of some kind exactly. He could have taken an infinite
Speaker 1: number one maybe not infinite, but a whole there's a
Speaker 1: whole lot of possibilities there, but he wound up essentially
Speaker 1: going south for six and a half miles and anybody
Speaker 1: right turned and went west for one mile on a
Speaker 1: dirt road that went across the middle of one of
Speaker 1: these sections, and then he tried to turn left onto
Speaker 1: the Lion Lincoln County Road left being south, but he
Speaker 1: screwed up. He turned it just a little bit too
Speaker 1: soon and drove into the ditch. And it seems like
Speaker 1: that would be pretty easy to do because his car
Speaker 1: wasn't like new, was it. So you know, if you
Speaker 1: have the like dimmer headlights and there's and there's definitely
Speaker 1: not street lights out there, you know, so it's going
Speaker 1: to be dark. And you know, I've driven out in
Speaker 1: that kind of country and it's I mean, I think
Speaker 1: we all have it's hard to judge where that his
Speaker 1: road and where it's ditch. And you know, if if
Speaker 1: he made the mistake of trying to be covert and
Speaker 1: drive with just his low beams on instead of his
Speaker 1: high beams, or even if his high beams were I mean,
Speaker 1: I've had the cars where the high beams are still
Speaker 1: terrible compared to the every other car around. Oh yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: you know, you don't know too. I mean again, he
Speaker 1: was taking the back roads. He actually taking this route
Speaker 1: that he took, was actually going the opposite direction from
Speaker 1: where his objective was, which was Marshall. And he might
Speaker 1: have had his lights off. He might have actually been
Speaker 1: maybe a pair of headlights showed up in his review
Speaker 1: mirror and he decided to take off Denis dirt Road
Speaker 1: turn his lights off. That's entirely possible. That's that's really paranoid.
Speaker 1: That is paranoid. Yeah, I mean, and you know, again,
Speaker 1: Brandon would have been well served. He actually would have
Speaker 1: been much much better off to have been pulled over
Speaker 1: by law enforcement and arrested for dewey. Yeah, that intoxicated. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't even know if he was a smash. But
Speaker 1: so he makes his turn and get stuck in the
Speaker 1: ditch and he pulls out his cell phone. What time
Speaker 1: was this? This was one am on the fourteenth of
Speaker 1: fourteenth of May. He started calling his friends and nobody
Speaker 1: was picking up. Yeah, and so they were probably all asleep,
Speaker 1: or maybe they were partying so hard and so loud
Speaker 1: they didn't hear their phones going off. At four am,
Speaker 1: he called his parents. Ye, that has just got to
Speaker 1: that's just the call you want to get. Ye. You know,
Speaker 1: my my brother when he was in situations like that,
Speaker 1: would just call me because I was lame, was a
Speaker 1: lame older sister and just like, yeah, no, I was asleepy,
Speaker 1: You'll come pick you up. Yeah, but yeah, sooner or later,
Speaker 1: when nobody else is picking up, you gotta call the parents.
Speaker 1: And that's what he did. His parents are Brian and
Speaker 1: Annette Swanson, and by the way, they are still wondering
Speaker 1: what the hell happened to Brandon. So Brandon, if you're listening,
Speaker 1: please call home. Brian Andnette got into the family pickup
Speaker 1: truck and they left to go find Brandon. Now he
Speaker 1: was he had committed some navigational errors. I was going
Speaker 1: to say, he probably wasn't super sure where he was.
Speaker 1: Yeah he was. He was way off. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: this is what doomed their rescue mission because Brandon told
Speaker 1: him he was stuck just off Highway twenty three and
Speaker 1: near Lynn, between Lynn and Marshall, which is way farther south.
Speaker 1: It's it's like twenty miles away. Yeah, And this, to
Speaker 1: me is one of the most truly puzzling things about
Speaker 1: this story is that how he could possibly have believed
Speaker 1: that he was anywhere near Lynn when he was so
Speaker 1: far away. So I actually I thought about that, and
Speaker 1: I have an idea. Okay, he knew how long it
Speaker 1: took to go from town A to Town B on
Speaker 1: the highway, let's just say thirty minutes. So he's been
Speaker 1: driving on these dirt roads where he's got to go
Speaker 1: much slower and taking all these turns, and he's like, well,
Speaker 1: I've been driving for thirty or forty minutes. I've got
Speaker 1: to be almost there because I've I've made that same
Speaker 1: mistake because you don't think about the fact that you're
Speaker 1: not going in a straight line and you're going slower.
Speaker 1: So I can see how that is. But the other
Speaker 1: thing is that we are all spoiled today. We think,
Speaker 1: I know somebody's gonna say this, Well, why didn't he
Speaker 1: just look at his phone and see what the map said?
Speaker 1: His phone wasn't It was a motor motor role of
Speaker 1: silver is what it was. I was reading about it,
Speaker 1: and it didn't have that capability. It could hold MP
Speaker 1: three's and play music, but it didn't have that Internet
Speaker 1: capacity that you'd have to have for doing doing maps. Okay, yes,
Speaker 1: it was a silver, not a silver I had one. Yeah, sorry,
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure here. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know it was I mean it was the it was
Speaker 1: the flat version of the razor, right. Yeah, it's kind
Speaker 1: of like that. I think they call that style the
Speaker 1: candy bar. Yeah, but I thought it was the bread loaf.
Speaker 1: But well, I mean I guess I think also, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's not as though there are street signs on
Speaker 1: those dirt roads, those back roads, and I bet he
Speaker 1: thought he just turned the wrong way. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: said that the all the roads all looked the same
Speaker 1: in that area, and I can believe it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've been on street View and I've I've looked around
Speaker 1: the area and yeah, it's flat. Well I was. You know,
Speaker 1: that's funny, as you say about the street signs, is
Speaker 1: that I was reading on one one site and it
Speaker 1: was the funniest thing. It was some wiki And this
Speaker 1: is what cracked me up, is that somebody had gone
Speaker 1: through and written the wiki, and somebody else had come
Speaker 1: back through and edited and put all of their um
Speaker 1: their responses to statements in italics. The snarky yeah is
Speaker 1: that the one that I put out there? And yeah,
Speaker 1: you said that one to me, And it's because it
Speaker 1: says there's no street size. It says, yes, there are
Speaker 1: there everywhere, So it doesn't sound like it was completely unmarked.
Speaker 1: It probably wasn't every intersection, but it was probably a
Speaker 1: significant number of Yeah, I should have given him some
Speaker 1: idea unless he wasn't paying attention to which is probably.
Speaker 1: It's entirely possible. But no, I mean, if he's to
Speaker 1: wind up where it was, he I could see where
Speaker 1: he would, he would leave Canby and drive due east.
Speaker 1: But somehow in the mistaken belief that he was driving
Speaker 1: due south instead, and so that's entirely possible. It's totally possible,
Speaker 1: but still it's still it's still kind of a mystery
Speaker 1: to me. But it doesn't really matter. It was a
Speaker 1: huge navigational air but uh, Brian and Annette, Brandon's parents
Speaker 1: got into the vicinity of Land, which is only six
Speaker 1: miles away from their home in Marshall's, so they got
Speaker 1: very quickly. They started driving up and down the side roads.
Speaker 1: Brian was driving and that was on the phone with Brandon,
Speaker 1: and they were flashing their headlights and saying, hey, can
Speaker 1: you see her headlights flashing? And Brandon was saying, no,
Speaker 1: can you see my headlights flashing? And he was still
Speaker 1: with the car at this point in time, which is
Speaker 1: obviously not really surprising that nobody saw the flashing headlights.
Speaker 1: At this point, Brandon was apparently getting a little snippy
Speaker 1: with his mom and losing patients, and so Brian Brandon's
Speaker 1: dad dropped his mom off at home and went back
Speaker 1: out to look for Brandon again. He called him at
Speaker 1: two twenty three am and they were on a long
Speaker 1: phone call for forty seven minutes. Brandon had at this
Speaker 1: point left the car, which is not something you should
Speaker 1: be doing, but well, in this particular case, it probably
Speaker 1: wasn't a good idea, but he left the car and
Speaker 1: his his intention was to walk into the town of Lynne,
Speaker 1: which he still believed he was near, and he was
Speaker 1: seeing glowing lights of a town nearby. The town. Actually,
Speaker 1: I believe it was Porter. I think that's correct. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it was Porter. Or what's the other one
Speaker 1: that starts with the T, Yeah, Taunton. It's one of
Speaker 1: those two. He had to be said, well, he was
Speaker 1: headed towards Porter. He was, Yeah, he was meet him
Speaker 1: at the tovern. He told him, Yeah, he told his
Speaker 1: dad to meet him at in the parking lot of
Speaker 1: the Lynwood Tavern in Lynn, which, by the way, is
Speaker 1: still there if you do a little do a little
Speaker 1: googling on them there. They still have a web page,
Speaker 1: but street view won't let you go into the bar
Speaker 1: to look around. No, it won't. Y you know, that's
Speaker 1: why pokemon goo exists, right seriously. That yeah, I'm so,
Speaker 1: I'm amazed it took this long to work. Well there,
Speaker 1: that's the whole reason that it exists is because Google
Speaker 1: wants to map the inside of buildings. And since you know,
Speaker 1: you have to take video all the time and you
Speaker 1: upload it to the cloud, that's how they're mapping it. Really,
Speaker 1: and that's it. That makes sense. I just want to say,
Speaker 1: and and and so tasteful that that that the Holocaust
Speaker 1: Museum is part of the pokemon go Yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: back to the story that what we're talking about. He
Speaker 1: was so, Brandon is out of the car and he's
Speaker 1: heading towards what he thinks is the town of Lynde,
Speaker 1: which is in actuality of the town of Porter. So
Speaker 1: he's walking down according to his father, he's what he
Speaker 1: was walking down a gravel road towards Lynde. At the end,
Speaker 1: he said he was cutting across the field to save time.
Speaker 1: He mentioned that he came across two fences, which I
Speaker 1: assume he climbed over. Yeah. He said there was water nearby,
Speaker 1: which I am assuming was the Yellow Medicine River, which
Speaker 1: kind of meanders all throughout the area. You guys have
Speaker 1: seen the arials. And then at three ten, Brandon said
Speaker 1: in an alarm tone, and the phone went dead. And
Speaker 1: that's the last time anybody who from Brandon Swanson. So
Speaker 1: obviously this set off a few alarm bills. The family
Speaker 1: kept searching all night, and they kept calling Brandon's phone,
Speaker 1: and the phone would ring several times and then would
Speaker 1: go to voicemail after indicates that the phone was still on.
Speaker 1: Apparently still on but not necessarily functional. No, no, I
Speaker 1: mean you're not always because we've talked about this before
Speaker 1: that the phone ringing doesn't necessarily mean that the phone
Speaker 1: is ringing, Yeah, exactly, So just I want to make
Speaker 1: sure we talked about that, because we'll bring something up
Speaker 1: in theories in a minute. Yeah, but now, I mean
Speaker 1: people have read a lot into that though, because for
Speaker 1: about a day and a half until until about Thursday afternoon,
Speaker 1: the phone would ring several times in a good voicemail,
Speaker 1: and starting about late on Thursday, it stopped ringing. When
Speaker 1: you call it, it would just go straight to voicemail,
Speaker 1: which most people I've interpreted as the phone was still
Speaker 1: on and then the battery died and at that point
Speaker 1: started going directly to voicemail, which is uh, which is
Speaker 1: actually a reasonable interpretation. But apparently it does appear that
Speaker 1: the phone was not functioning, and we don't know because
Speaker 1: that was never found. Brandon phone was never found, so
Speaker 1: we don't really know. I mean, he could have when
Speaker 1: he when he his whole o s I'll call it
Speaker 1: from his whole os moment. A lot of people have
Speaker 1: read that to be, yeah, exactly, I've read that to
Speaker 1: be like, you know, he was walking along, cutting through
Speaker 1: this field and then suddenly a serial killer popped up
Speaker 1: with a chainsaw. Nobody knows. Really, we really don't know.
Speaker 1: So they looked for Brandon, obviously, yeah they did. Uh Yeah.
Speaker 1: The police were notified at six thirty am the Brandon
Speaker 1: was missing. One of the first things, of course, that
Speaker 1: they did, as they checked with Brandon's cell provider and
Speaker 1: they found out that he when he was talking to
Speaker 1: his parents on the phone. He was connected to a
Speaker 1: cell tower in Minneota and sorry Minnesota residence if I've
Speaker 1: mispronounced that, but Minneota, which is several miles southeast of Taunton,
Speaker 1: which is the town that he was closest to, and
Speaker 1: that was definitely not the cell tower he would have
Speaker 1: been accessing if he was anywhere near the town of Lynne, which,
Speaker 1: as I've said already, was way far away. So that's
Speaker 1: how they kind of gave their initial circle of where
Speaker 1: to search at, yeah, exactly, and so they focused their
Speaker 1: their efforts on the area around Highways sixty eight to
Speaker 1: the northwest of Marshall, uh and a twelve thirty pm
Speaker 1: on the day of the fourteenth, the sheriff's deputy did
Speaker 1: find Brandon's car in the ditch, but there was no Brandon.
Speaker 1: There were initial efforts were made to find amusing dogs
Speaker 1: he was These were kind of inconclusive. The next day,
Speaker 1: on Thursday, they brought up bloodhound and used the bloodhound
Speaker 1: to track his to track his trail from where he
Speaker 1: left the car, and they gave the bloodhound something to
Speaker 1: take get a cent for apparently. So the first dogs
Speaker 1: were just less search without something where they like cadaver
Speaker 1: dogs or something, you know. I don't know. I think
Speaker 1: I think they were actually tracker dogs, but they weren't bloodhounds,
Speaker 1: you know. And there's yeah, there's a difference between bringing
Speaker 1: a dog in and trying to have a track ascent
Speaker 1: and giving it to That's why my question is, like,
Speaker 1: why weren't they just doing that in the first place.
Speaker 1: Why did they have to wait for the bloodhound? But whatever,
Speaker 1: I I don't know, it might for that bloodhound is
Speaker 1: much higher. Yeah, it's continued. Yeah, not every yeah, not
Speaker 1: every county is going to necessarily have bloodhounds on hand.
Speaker 1: So but anyway, they brought him in. The bloodhound tracked
Speaker 1: from the car from where the car was tracked his
Speaker 1: trail half mile south and then a mile west towards
Speaker 1: Porter about a half mile north and then he left
Speaker 1: the road, uh and went across this and and this
Speaker 1: totally tracks with what his father said he was talking about.
Speaker 1: He was talking about walking down gravel roads. And then
Speaker 1: he left the road and cut across an abandoned farm
Speaker 1: that was and his track was basically parallel to the
Speaker 1: what is the Yellow Medicine River, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: is probably the most exhaustively searched river in human history. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they have definitely scoured that river for his body. And
Speaker 1: it's not really a river. It's not something at that time. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that would have been the main It's probably still there,
Speaker 1: probably still some some snow run off or spring run off,
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. But we're not talking like a roaring,
Speaker 1: fifteen foot deep, you know, ten foot wide river. We're
Speaker 1: talking like a creek that you might get your feet
Speaker 1: up to your knees. I mean, it's it's one of
Speaker 1: those things, are you know, if you if you if
Speaker 1: you fall into it, you could definitely bash your head
Speaker 1: on a rock and wind up with your face underwater,
Speaker 1: and but it wouldn't also wash you away. Your body
Speaker 1: would probably be there. It could it's not a creek.
Speaker 1: They could wash you a little ways, but it's like
Speaker 1: not away forever. The question I'm trying to well, no,
Speaker 1: it's been it's been characterized by locals as being more
Speaker 1: of a creek than a river. Okay, okay, and they
Speaker 1: and yeah, so I just want to clarify it's not
Speaker 1: something that would just wash a human away. No, No,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Well, at one point that the bloodhound.
Speaker 1: It followed. It followed his track through this field, and
Speaker 1: then at one point it actually went to the Yellow
Speaker 1: Medicine River and jumped into the river, which led people
Speaker 1: to believe that Brandon maybe had fallen in. But then
Speaker 1: it climbed back out of the river and it picked
Speaker 1: up his track again, and his track went all the
Speaker 1: way up to a hundred sixty avenue, which is, by
Speaker 1: the way, not an avenue. It's gravel road, just like
Speaker 1: all the other gravel roads we've been talking about. It
Speaker 1: was on a section line and the trail ended at
Speaker 1: the road. Um, so my theory is that Brandon was
Speaker 1: abducted by aliens. That makes sense, Yeah, sense totally. Well. Actually,
Speaker 1: though there were no burn marks from their reaction list thrusters,
Speaker 1: and there were no crop circles, even though there were
Speaker 1: lots of crops nearby, and they think, why would aliens
Speaker 1: not leave crop circles exactly. So okay, let's let's discard
Speaker 1: that theory. But I'm more likely theory as a trail
Speaker 1: vantaged because on the morning of May fourteenth, this is
Speaker 1: why the trail ended it the road. This is why
Speaker 1: possibly the trail ended the road. There's are there are
Speaker 1: other possibilities, but the that particular road was regraded that morning, Yeah,
Speaker 1: bad time. It was was just that road regraded or
Speaker 1: were more roads in the area I never could sign. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I couldn't find exactly which ones were regraded. And and
Speaker 1: so I mean, obviously, if if the other roads, like
Speaker 1: the roads that that the bloodhound followed him on, were
Speaker 1: also regraded and that didn't erase his scent, which is
Speaker 1: entirely possible, It's tirely possibly come along and just sort
Speaker 1: of rearrange the gravel a little bit and it doesn't
Speaker 1: destroy the sense. The only reason I was asking is
Speaker 1: that because I was wondering, if they were regrading everything
Speaker 1: in that area, how did the guy drive in the
Speaker 1: grade or not notice a car in the ditch. That's
Speaker 1: why I'm well trying to believe that only a few roads,
Speaker 1: not they were doing the whole area. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess it was a local regrading, not the county
Speaker 1: or whoever. Yeah, I I really don't know. And it
Speaker 1: might it might very well be that the guy did
Speaker 1: notice the car in the ditch and he actually called
Speaker 1: the sheriff's department, well, or maybe didn't even call. I mean,
Speaker 1: you grew up in a small town with ditches around.
Speaker 1: Did you every time you saw a truck in the ditch,
Speaker 1: did you call the cops and say, oh, there's a
Speaker 1: truck in this ditch or did you just say property
Speaker 1: and understood did they yeah, yeah, because it's it's But
Speaker 1: wasn't property. Weren't a lot of the farms around there abandoned,
Speaker 1: just the one that It actually seems like it was
Speaker 1: mostly all being there. There was that one abandoned farm
Speaker 1: that you cut across. But if you know, at the
Speaker 1: end at the time, I don't really know, but it
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like there were that many abandoned farms. I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess, you know, it would be my inclination to
Speaker 1: say that. You know, if it's a town where there's
Speaker 1: lots of college kids kind of driving through the area,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't necessarily if you saw a car in a ditch,
Speaker 1: you woke up the next morning, you'd go, you know,
Speaker 1: is there somebody in there? No, okay, great, bye, they'll
Speaker 1: come for it. It's not. Yeah, it sounds somebody will
Speaker 1: take care of it. Obviously, people are motivated to retrieve
Speaker 1: their cars, and if it's there three days later, well,
Speaker 1: then obviously you want to go out and pour lighter
Speaker 1: fluid on it and fire. But of the two, yeah,
Speaker 1: something like that. Oh where was I though? Um? So,
Speaker 1: the search for Brandon has been going on ever since,
Speaker 1: and it's been a very intensive search. The last big
Speaker 1: push was in October. A lot of people search the
Speaker 1: mud Creek area in northwest of Porter. And uh, I
Speaker 1: don't really I don't really know if Brandon could have
Speaker 1: would have made it that far. I don't know why
Speaker 1: he would have actually gone anywhere beyond Porter. But apparently
Speaker 1: it's some HRD dogs mud Creek north west, I should say.
Speaker 1: You know, mud Creek is it's kind of kind of
Speaker 1: hard to find on the map. It's kind of north
Speaker 1: of Porter. And so he would have passed Porter. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and and and that the thought is, of course the
Speaker 1: watershed from mud Creek is much bigger than bud Creek itself.
Speaker 1: They're thinking some HRD dogs and HRD Human Remains Detection dogs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and there's that's so there's a bloodhound which can follow
Speaker 1: your set, and then there's especially trained dogs that can
Speaker 1: smell a dead body. These HRD dogs have just have
Speaker 1: scented something in mud Creek so they're thinking, somewhere in
Speaker 1: mud the Mud Creek watershed, there's a corpse, and so
Speaker 1: they've they've been searching it and again. And I know
Speaker 1: that part of the reason they were thinking that far
Speaker 1: is that they based they based the distance that a
Speaker 1: normal person can walk in a in a certain amount
Speaker 1: of time. And then that's and then they created their
Speaker 1: their whole area that they were going to look and
Speaker 1: based on that. Yeah, that's how they got to it.
Speaker 1: I think at some point, yeah, you just kind of say, well, okay,
Speaker 1: you know what, he could have walked. And you know,
Speaker 1: if you're if you're still looking what you know ten
Speaker 1: fifteen years later, you're not just saying, well, he would
Speaker 1: have stopped in Porter, So why didn't he stop in Porter?
Speaker 1: You know, you're saying, I don't know, he could have
Speaker 1: walked to Wisconsin for all I know, And you don't
Speaker 1: really know. I mean, you're going to start searching all
Speaker 1: that stuff. I think, Yeah, but yeah, I don't doubt
Speaker 1: there probably is a corpse somewhere in that watershed. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's Brandon or not, but apparent it
Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me. Yeah. Yeah, And also at one point
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure exactly when, but at some point
Speaker 1: more recently, much more recently, in two thousand and eight,
Speaker 1: five different HRD dogs showed a very intense interest in
Speaker 1: a field cultivator like a tiller, which is kind of
Speaker 1: gruesome to think about. But yeah, somebody, somebody necessarily even Brandon,
Speaker 1: but somebody apparently got tilled into the soil and one
Speaker 1: of those fields around there's there's there's a lot of
Speaker 1: things that gets spread on fields for fertilizing. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe somebody got somebody got thrown in the fertilizer or
Speaker 1: you know, I think I'm going to assume that the
Speaker 1: human remains detection dogs are smart enough and well trained
Speaker 1: enough to only be detecting dead things. But it's possible
Speaker 1: that they're they just detect human you know, things like
Speaker 1: blood and like those things. So like if somebody got there,
Speaker 1: like foot cut off on act the farm. Accidents are
Speaker 1: very very common, yeah they are, and they probably don't
Speaker 1: send for the cultivator back to the factory to be sterilized.
Speaker 1: People somebody gets are torn off for me, you know.
Speaker 1: On the one hand, I do want to assume that
Speaker 1: the dogs would be smart enough to just ignore that
Speaker 1: but also I don't necessarily know why they would be
Speaker 1: smart enough to ignore that. I don't know what they're
Speaker 1: training to react. So possible that somebody got the arm
Speaker 1: pulled off, and that's the way less geresome. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: it's still pretty gread. Somebody just cut themselves while working
Speaker 1: on the piece of machinery. I mean, it would have
Speaker 1: been probably a bit pretty big cut. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I've I have cut my arm pretty badly, and though
Speaker 1: it wasn't a big scarring wound, it was a bleeder
Speaker 1: and so I bled everywhere as I was trying to
Speaker 1: staunch the flow. So then I can see something like
Speaker 1: that again, I guess they just assumed that it's more
Speaker 1: than blood that those dogs are detecting. And that's an
Speaker 1: assumption that I it's it's hard to say, is that
Speaker 1: correct or not? That's all I'm saying. Well, okay, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to get into all the details of all
Speaker 1: the searches. There's been a lot of them, and against
Speaker 1: it seems like almost one or two a year. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: since he disappeared. Yeah, and and as I said again,
Speaker 1: the Yellow medicine River is everybody's favorite theory fell into
Speaker 1: the river, and that's been thoroughly scoured, and I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure he didn't fall into the river. But let's talk
Speaker 1: about our theories about what happened. First theory is that
Speaker 1: Brandon fell into the Yellow Medicine River and drowned. And
Speaker 1: people on various websites have sort of, you know, sort
Speaker 1: of said that, you know, maybe he got swept downstream,
Speaker 1: his body got pinned under a rock, and that's why
Speaker 1: it's never been found. But there's a few problems with
Speaker 1: this that I have. Of course, as I just said,
Speaker 1: the river has been very very thoroughly searched, and the
Speaker 1: HRD dogs again he even remains. Detection dogs have sniffed,
Speaker 1: the sniffed the river and they they don't haven't picked
Speaker 1: up any trace of a body in the river. And
Speaker 1: at his os moments, he was close to the river.
Speaker 1: But the river at that place, if you look at
Speaker 1: the area, you can see this, it's it's actually lined
Speaker 1: with trees and and then rushing everything. Yeah. And so
Speaker 1: because you can't form up to the bank of any
Speaker 1: body of water. Yeah. Now, and Brandon's objective was to
Speaker 1: reach a hundred sixty avenue as quickly as possible. That's
Speaker 1: why he that's why he took his shortcut, and that's
Speaker 1: when he had his OS moment. But he was he
Speaker 1: was cutting. He was cutting across the field the head
Speaker 1: towards the light that he saw in the distance, not
Speaker 1: necessarily the road. He didn't know where exactly. Well, he
Speaker 1: knew it was up there, yeah, but he also I mean,
Speaker 1: if he decided to cut across the field, he said,
Speaker 1: screw this, I'm tired of going up and you know up,
Speaker 1: so I'm just going to go straight towards it. So
Speaker 1: he wasn't He could have been heading that direction, but not.
Speaker 1: But he wouldn't go into the trees. That was my point.
Speaker 1: But did he know that a hundred and sixty was
Speaker 1: up there? He thought he was in a totally different place.
Speaker 1: He didn't know what road was up there. That's why
Speaker 1: I'm saying. He was heading towards the light of the
Speaker 1: town that he saw in the distance and didn't know
Speaker 1: what road. He didn't care what road because he was
Speaker 1: cut across this crop. Now he but but Brandon made
Speaker 1: the quite reasonable he'd walked a half mile up this
Speaker 1: road before he cut across the field. He made the
Speaker 1: quite reasonable assumption that again, these roads are every mile
Speaker 1: on the section lines he made, and so he made
Speaker 1: the reasonable assumption that there was a road right over there,
Speaker 1: and he cut across that field. And again, why would
Speaker 1: he go into the woods and tumble into the river
Speaker 1: when why wouldn't he? Why wouldn't it because because going
Speaker 1: into the woods it's not part of the mission. His
Speaker 1: mission was to get to get to the next road.
Speaker 1: He doesn't he doesn't know what's in the woods. He
Speaker 1: doesn't know if it's just uh is it copes or
Speaker 1: corpse of trees, trees, He doesn't know if it's just
Speaker 1: because it's pitch black, there's no moon at this point,
Speaker 1: be blind in one eye, so his depth perception is
Speaker 1: really poor. He has no idea what's in there. So
Speaker 1: you're looking at a map and saying, well, obviously he
Speaker 1: had to be doing this, but he could have had
Speaker 1: no idea and thought, that's a little bunch of trees,
Speaker 1: I'll just go through it. I feel like every reason
Speaker 1: that you just gave is a reason for him to
Speaker 1: not go in there, because he doesn't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: he because he doesn't know what's through there. And if
Speaker 1: I know anything, it's that when you start cutting through
Speaker 1: trees you're no longer walking in a straight line exact
Speaker 1: plays and his track mostly parallel the Yellow Medicine River.
Speaker 1: It didn't and it didn't really intersect it, except the
Speaker 1: dog did run over and jump in the river. Is
Speaker 1: that that made everybody think he jumped he fell into
Speaker 1: the river. But I don't see why he would have.
Speaker 1: So here's the thing, Joe is forgetting something and you
Speaker 1: haven't had this experience, which is being a peeved off
Speaker 1: nineteen year old dude who just says, iff it, I
Speaker 1: know what I'm doing, I'm going there. Nothing's getting well.
Speaker 1: And I guess that is the Other truth is that
Speaker 1: if he was walking down it for so long, he
Speaker 1: was walking parallel to it, and he was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I'm never going to find a bridge to
Speaker 1: hell with this. This is I've I've made these kind
Speaker 1: of decisions as a very young man, and they were
Speaker 1: very dumb, and he could have just said, you know what,
Speaker 1: I can make it. He's overconfident in his abilities to
Speaker 1: navigate through it in the dark. But I don't think
Speaker 1: he's in the river. But I am using that as
Speaker 1: a reason to say that he may not have just
Speaker 1: been going up to one. He may have actually thought
Speaker 1: to cross the water. Yeah, and it's fair, It's fair
Speaker 1: might have I mean, I think that would be a
Speaker 1: dumb move, but I tend to trust the Bloodhound. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think probably tracked him, and so that would suggest
Speaker 1: that he also did not perish in the river that
Speaker 1: he crossed the river, it appears to the Bloodhounds. The
Speaker 1: track it appears to be from what I have read,
Speaker 1: and you guys have read the same stuff. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: was tracked all the way to the road hundred sixty Avenue.
Speaker 1: He was tracked all the way there. So whether he
Speaker 1: made a little side trip to the river or not,
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure. There's something that he might have
Speaker 1: fallen into the river, gotten soaked, and then gotten back out. Well,
Speaker 1: that would also explain the phone a little bit maybe.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's the potential that it got wet enough
Speaker 1: that the ringer and screen were no longer working, but
Speaker 1: it was still you know, quote unquote, yeah, it was
Speaker 1: still ringing sort of working, but it wasn't functional. So
Speaker 1: on his end, it wasn't ringing, and he couldn't I
Speaker 1: couldn't see who he thought it died. That's actually Yeah,
Speaker 1: So as far as falling into the river goes. All
Speaker 1: the evidence suggests that he made it two hundred sixty avenue.
Speaker 1: So from that point there were only two other places
Speaker 1: where he could have fallen into the river. There was
Speaker 1: a culvert about half a mile three course of a
Speaker 1: mile down the road. Because I'm assuming, and I think
Speaker 1: it's fair to assume this that he continued westward on
Speaker 1: D six, So there was a culvert where the river
Speaker 1: passed under the road. He could have fallen in there.
Speaker 1: I don't think he did, um, because you know, it's
Speaker 1: like when you're walking on the gravel road, you kind
Speaker 1: of know when you're getting off the road because you
Speaker 1: stopped hearing that crunchy sound that your feet are making.
Speaker 1: So even if he was completely blind, you know, and
Speaker 1: completely unable to see in the dark, he still could
Speaker 1: have made his way just by the noise and then
Speaker 1: the texture of them. And so I don't think he
Speaker 1: fell into that culvert. And then the next place was
Speaker 1: just right outside the town of Porter. There's a bridge there.
Speaker 1: I see. I assume that you guys have seen it
Speaker 1: on the arials. Yeah, And the bridge would be really
Speaker 1: it's got a guard rail and everything like that, so
Speaker 1: that would be kind of impossible, and again it's it's
Speaker 1: reasonable to trust the bloodhounds tracking probably probably, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: that's where it went, so okay, So we don't think
Speaker 1: he fell and drowned. So we don't think he fell
Speaker 1: out of the river and drowned. Yeah. Another theory is
Speaker 1: that Brandon fell and he was knocked unconscious and died
Speaker 1: from exposure. And it was it was it was a
Speaker 1: bit chilly out. It was forty six degrees fahrenheit, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, is about eight degrees centigrade. You're welcome. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Brandon was actually dressed for cool weather. I mean,
Speaker 1: he wasn't dressed for freezing cold. But he had on
Speaker 1: a T shirt, a polo shirt over that, and also
Speaker 1: hoodie's a hoodie sweatshirt. So I mean enough. Do you
Speaker 1: think that was enough? Yeah? I mean if he was soaking,
Speaker 1: if he had indeed fallen into the river, yeah, and
Speaker 1: was soaking wet in cold water, and you know, came
Speaker 1: out and was walking and then fell and got knocked
Speaker 1: unconscious and was really out cold, yeah, he that would have. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a reasonable assumption to make. But if we're saying
Speaker 1: he was dry and walking in a hoodie, I mean
Speaker 1: I think that's enough. Yeah, he's not it's not gonna
Speaker 1: be comfortable, but you're not going to die of hypothermia.
Speaker 1: Oh no, not at all. And and of course if
Speaker 1: he if he was knocked unconscious, well where's the body. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I have an idea on that. Yeah, we already
Speaker 1: talked about this is that the road got graded. So
Speaker 1: if it's a crappy road, before they grade it, typically
Speaker 1: what you'll do is drive along pouring gravel and then
Speaker 1: you grade it and the shoulder always grows the shoulder
Speaker 1: of the road because there's always excess gravel getting shoved over.
Speaker 1: So if he's right on the shoulder, he could have
Speaker 1: been buried. Now why the dog didn't find him, I know,
Speaker 1: so don't give me the but he could have been
Speaker 1: buried in extra gravel. Well for me, for me, it's
Speaker 1: more than that. It's been a really long time. I'm
Speaker 1: sure that road has been like all the gravel has
Speaker 1: been stripped off it and re graded, and they've done
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff to that road. The shoulders. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure that it's moved around enough that if there
Speaker 1: were a body of a nineteen year old man in there,
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm saying this is another way people always say, well,
Speaker 1: you know, this couldn't have happened. Well, but technically it
Speaker 1: could have. It probably didn't because it hasn't been discovered yet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there's all kinds of problems with the whole
Speaker 1: he fell and died of exposure, which is that he
Speaker 1: no matter where he fell, he would be like right
Speaker 1: in plain sight. Yeah, and there's just some ways that
Speaker 1: people maybe he could have missed it. With the amount
Speaker 1: of dogs they've used in this search, I don't think
Speaker 1: they would have missed it at this point. A dog
Speaker 1: would have found it human if even if he was
Speaker 1: kind of hidden, you know, or like in some brush
Speaker 1: or you know, under gravel. I think they've used enough
Speaker 1: body detection dogs that they would have been found. He
Speaker 1: would have been found. I think so. And there's other
Speaker 1: things too. It's like, you know, we've all we've all
Speaker 1: discussed hypotheramy before and how people like get this delusional
Speaker 1: feeling that they're too warm, they start stripping their clothes
Speaker 1: off and stuff, and that didn't happen here apparently. Well,
Speaker 1: but he would have been unconscious, well, so he wouldn't
Speaker 1: have been stripping his close off. Yeah. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: there are other other theories, and that is that he um,
Speaker 1: he was freezing cold because he was he was wet,
Speaker 1: and he was suffering from hypothermy and not quite right
Speaker 1: in the head, and he crawled into a hidy hole.
Speaker 1: He crawled underneath an outbuilding and a falling dogs. Dogs
Speaker 1: would have found it. For humans, I mean, oh yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: another theory, and this is very popular, is that he
Speaker 1: fell into a well or a cistern. And this was
Speaker 1: the first thing I thought of. Yeah, and and those
Speaker 1: things are out there, but they've been checking every sister
Speaker 1: and every well, every basement, every coal shoot in the area.
Speaker 1: They've chad. I mean that they that they know there's
Speaker 1: could be ones out there that they don't know. And
Speaker 1: that's what I that's what I was thinking, is that
Speaker 1: it's a poorly covered one he falls in, and then
Speaker 1: within weeks the vegetation covers up that hole. Again, it's possible.
Speaker 1: It's that's possible. Actually spent a lot of time on
Speaker 1: the map looking for those kind of things. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But but the thing about it is is, um uh,
Speaker 1: if that was his os moment, he's walking through that
Speaker 1: field and suddenly falls into a well, and if it
Speaker 1: were me, I wouldn't. I wouldn't be going I would
Speaker 1: I wouldn't, I would scream. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 1: what you guys would do. I mean, I think i've
Speaker 1: the falling motion would be where you said you had
Speaker 1: your OS moment. That's always my yeah. I would say yeah,
Speaker 1: and I you know, when I trip, I go up
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, or you know, God blessed America or whatever. Um.
Speaker 1: But you know that's all My initial reaction to things
Speaker 1: like that is to go oh something, not to scream. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean it was so you know,
Speaker 1: if he goes oh and then drops the phone, it
Speaker 1: goes dead, and then he's like into something that is
Speaker 1: a mild team yeah yeah, is not I don't know,
Speaker 1: it would be something that was several feet down. So
Speaker 1: I don't know, And i've been I've not been able
Speaker 1: to find out what his exact tone of voice was,
Speaker 1: whether it was like oh shoot, or was it oh shoot,
Speaker 1: or was it I don't know. I don't know what
Speaker 1: his thought exactly. It was okay, yeah, So the open
Speaker 1: well of sister and all more to say about that later.
Speaker 1: Why I don't believe he did. Yeah, I don't think
Speaker 1: he did another. Another theory said he just broke his
Speaker 1: phone and actually his OS moments as oh shoot moment
Speaker 1: was actually not any huge crisis like he fell into
Speaker 1: the river, got it wet and then yeah, or like
Speaker 1: like a serial killer didn't show up with a chainsaw.
Speaker 1: It wasn't that. He's like, it's more like he tripped
Speaker 1: over something or stepped into cow pie, you know, something
Speaker 1: like that. But he continued walking. His phone wasn't working,
Speaker 1: but he died of hypothermia later. But if he did
Speaker 1: make it two hundred sixte and all evidence indicates that
Speaker 1: he did, then he would have passed a farmhouse. You
Speaker 1: guys have seen the arials. I'm assuming there's a farmhouse.
Speaker 1: They're just like, I don't know, less than a mile
Speaker 1: down the road. I have to assume he was continuing west.
Speaker 1: He would have passed that farmhouse. Uh. They probably wouldn't
Speaker 1: have been thrilled to be woken up at three thirty
Speaker 1: or so in the morning. But it's of than dying,
Speaker 1: it's better than freezing to day. If he wasn't truly
Speaker 1: in a crisis. There's other series out there. One is,
Speaker 1: of course, this one. This one always comes up in
Speaker 1: these disappearances, He ran away to join the circus. He
Speaker 1: started a new life, and I think, yes, he's living
Speaker 1: on a farm with Dorothy. I think, yeah, take him.
Speaker 1: Yeah you think so? Okay, So, so you guys aren't
Speaker 1: liking this theory. What's the next one? There's of course
Speaker 1: alien abduction. What do you guys think there's no proof
Speaker 1: it was there like crop circles? No, there weren't. This
Speaker 1: is just another one to be fun. Yeah, now, and
Speaker 1: then another one. And this is always it's always stressed
Speaker 1: when you when you read the web pages about him,
Speaker 1: it's all law enforcement always stresses that there's no evidence
Speaker 1: of foul play. Well, there's no evidence general, there's no evidence. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no evidence of any of these things as far
Speaker 1: as it's like hypothermia, drowning, there's absolutely no evidence falling
Speaker 1: into a sister, and there's no evidence for anything. There's
Speaker 1: some variations on the foul play theory. And then this
Speaker 1: isn't and this is just in my head. Uh so
Speaker 1: what if Brandon actually did stop at that farmhouse that
Speaker 1: I was mentioning a minute ago and knocking the door,
Speaker 1: but the farmer turned out to be a serial killer,
Speaker 1: the bloody benders lived there. Yeah, it could have been. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we'll see. So he did a lot of walking
Speaker 1: for nothing, or an alternative theories that the farmer was
Speaker 1: a very suspicious, paranoid type and he shot branded to
Speaker 1: death because there's a guy in here. There's a guy
Speaker 1: in your property, Yeah at that three thirty four in
Speaker 1: the morning, stumbling around and being weird. Yeah, and so
Speaker 1: might maybe shot him with death and then maybe maybe
Speaker 1: thought about it and thought maybe I should like hush
Speaker 1: this up a little bit, put him underneath the green silo. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he buried him somewhere and actually in the area of
Speaker 1: the farm. Uh, there is a spot that's a little
Speaker 1: bit greener. Yeah, Okay, I'm just kidding, but you know,
Speaker 1: and I don't think that's what happened, but that's you know,
Speaker 1: that's possible. Another possibility as a Brandon made it all
Speaker 1: the way to the town of Porter, which I think
Speaker 1: he might just have. But the time was all rolled
Speaker 1: up and nothing was open, and I have no idea
Speaker 1: if there was a phone booth or any kind of
Speaker 1: public phone and porter at that time. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Two thousand and eight, I mean, phone booths are almost
Speaker 1: all gone. There's still one that I know of down
Speaker 1: on like twelve Yeah, you know the one I'm talking about. No,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't matter. It's a weird, lonely, little lonely
Speaker 1: little phone thing, um yeah, on this in this vacant lot.
Speaker 1: But anyway, I don't see I looked on street view.
Speaker 1: I didn't see anything resembling a public phone. Maybe maybe
Speaker 1: there was. Or you know, if you an eighteen year
Speaker 1: old kid stumbles into a bar and says, I crashed
Speaker 1: my car in a ditch three miles back, I walked here.
Speaker 1: My phone is dead. Can I use your phone to
Speaker 1: call my parents? You're probably going to say yeah, for sure,
Speaker 1: but but but I mean, it was like four in
Speaker 1: the morning at least by the time you got to Porters,
Speaker 1: So I doubt that. I doubt that there was any
Speaker 1: bar open. Yeah, but at the same time, there is
Speaker 1: a cafe porter um, and I'm assuming the cafe would
Speaker 1: have opened it. Well, do you think six seven the
Speaker 1: morning something like that? Sometimes? Yeah, in Farmland, usually like
Speaker 1: four or five usually, yeah, So you could have just
Speaker 1: hung out and just waited for them to open up
Speaker 1: a cup of coffee and use your phone. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just don't know, and of course, I'm making a
Speaker 1: lot of assumptions here, but we don't know between the
Speaker 1: time that he got onto one sixtieth and whatever else happened.
Speaker 1: We have no idea. It could have been that a
Speaker 1: serial killer just showed up in a pickup truck on
Speaker 1: one sixtieth right there. Yeah, and that it could have been.
Speaker 1: But I know this is why I totally don't believe
Speaker 1: he fell into a sister in a well. And that
Speaker 1: is we know he got two hundred sixtieth. We don't
Speaker 1: now we do. The dogs says we're reasonably sure. Well, okay,
Speaker 1: we'll say that we're reasonably sure. Okay, I rust those
Speaker 1: dogs a lot. But I when it comes to this
Speaker 1: and we have no trail other than what the dogs
Speaker 1: find and it comes for not, that's when I stopped
Speaker 1: relying on it so strongly, because then widen that he
Speaker 1: could have gone. I gotta say, I am taking the
Speaker 1: word one dog for all this, and so that dog,
Speaker 1: that dog could be a liar. I have that dog
Speaker 1: making a fool. It was the dog the dog didn't Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but here's serial bloodhound. But here's the reason I'm sure
Speaker 1: he didn't fall into the river. I don't think he
Speaker 1: had any reason to go near the river, that area
Speaker 1: where they where they tracked him, where the dog tracked
Speaker 1: him all the way to one sixtieth Well, obviously that
Speaker 1: was intensively searched. That there were wells or cisterns or
Speaker 1: anything else in that field, then they would have found
Speaker 1: his body in there. This is why I have such
Speaker 1: problem with the dog trail, is that based on it,
Speaker 1: they have scoured that area. I mean, he couldn't he
Speaker 1: couldn't be laying dead in a field because nothing was
Speaker 1: growing at that time. They had planted, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: as if the grass was three feet high, so you
Speaker 1: would see the body. Well, I guess I just don't
Speaker 1: know why. You know, we keep saying, well the road
Speaker 1: was grated, and he walked up the road, Like why
Speaker 1: is it not that somebody was driving down the road
Speaker 1: and said, hey, I saw you crash, let me give
Speaker 1: you a right into town. And then and then turned
Speaker 1: out to be not a nice person killer. Feel like
Speaker 1: it's such an easy is that is? Yeah, I strongly
Speaker 1: believe that this was a case of foul play. And
Speaker 1: then I took him in a completely different direction. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't, Yeah, I don't see fairness, he had no
Speaker 1: idea where he was anyways, right, Yeah, he could have
Speaker 1: maybe been giving them directions and they were just like
Speaker 1: they could have said, oh no, that's actually this town
Speaker 1: and you want to go to that town, Let's go
Speaker 1: this way, and then just taking him for the last
Speaker 1: ride of his life. I think. So yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: see any other explanation for it, really, I mean, he
Speaker 1: made it. There's no reason to believe that he didn't
Speaker 1: make it to a hundred and sixtieth and from there
Speaker 1: there's no reason for him to leave the road. He
Speaker 1: would have stayed on the road all with Highway sixty
Speaker 1: eight and then Highway sixty eight Porter so um. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And you know, as as Steve was talking about, you know,
Speaker 1: the brain of a nineteen year old who's you know,
Speaker 1: probably actually just coming off of I don't know. I'm
Speaker 1: sure you guys remember, you know, there's those times where
Speaker 1: you get like a little drunk or tipsy, and then
Speaker 1: you're awake for so long that you start to get
Speaker 1: hungover and you get real grumpy. Yeah, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: he was at that point by then, and he'd been
Speaker 1: lost for a really long time, and he'd been walking,
Speaker 1: and he was tired and he was just like mad
Speaker 1: because his parents said, he's just frustrated and he thinks
Speaker 1: he's invincible. And a car, you know, he just puts
Speaker 1: the thumb out cars going by. Yeah, he drives around
Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere, in the middle of the night
Speaker 1: kill Yeah. Yeah, So it's entirely possible. In fact, I
Speaker 1: think it's probable. Doesn't have to be serial killer though,
Speaker 1: just somebody with bad intentions. It could be. But you know,
Speaker 1: and that's that might be the solution of this case,
Speaker 1: is that one of these days, who knows, somebody might
Speaker 1: nab a serial killer who operates in the in the
Speaker 1: Minnesota area, and then he might actually fest up to
Speaker 1: the whole thing. I mean, who knows or she? Good point? Well, okay,
Speaker 1: you guys have any more theories? No, Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: I think we pretty much soeld this one, except for
Speaker 1: who actually did it. I don't know that we'll ever
Speaker 1: know who, but we might know what happened to him,
Speaker 1: which is kind of a bummer. Yeah, but I do
Speaker 1: think that you guys can stop scouring the countryside, but
Speaker 1: all means identify that corps it's in mud Creek. But
Speaker 1: other than that, find out where that's at. Yeah, find
Speaker 1: that out. I don't think it's Brandon really. Um anyway, Uh,
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Speaker 1: it is totally anyway, that's about it for this week.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that Brandon one of these days so there'll
Speaker 1: be a little resolution of this. I think it's entirely
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