1
00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,680
Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways is not supported by Cracks dot com. Instead,

2
00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,760
Speaker 1: it's supported by the generous donations of our listeners on Patreon.

3
00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,840
Speaker 1: Visit patreon dot com slash thinking sideways to learn more

4
00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:20,840
Speaker 1: and thanks Thinking Sideways. I don't know. You never know

5
00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,240
Speaker 1: stories of things we simply don't know the answer too.

6
00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,680
Speaker 1: Hey there, welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways. I'm Joe,

7
00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:39,440
Speaker 1: joined us always by Devin and Steve, and this week

8
00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:41,919
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about another cool mystery. This of

9
00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,640
Speaker 1: course the last of our summer series where we talk

10
00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,720
Speaker 1: about mysteries that are kind of crappy, not really, actually

11
00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:50,839
Speaker 1: this is this is actually a pretty good little mystery,

12
00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:54,040
Speaker 1: but it's a little bit. Then we are going to

13
00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,680
Speaker 1: debate it a little bit and we might have a

14
00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,760
Speaker 1: few insights for you. Who knows. Okay, what we're talking

15
00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:04,039
Speaker 1: about out this week is the disappearance of Brandon Swanson. Uh.

16
00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:08,520
Speaker 1: He was resident of Marshall, Minnesota. Disappeared in two thousand eight.

17
00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,520
Speaker 1: I first came across the mystery and Cracked dot com.

18
00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,000
Speaker 1: It was an article about phone call mysteries and I

19
00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,720
Speaker 1: really can't top their introduction, which is great, So I'm

20
00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:19,880
Speaker 1: gonna quote it here in two thousand and eight, nineteen

21
00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:22,680
Speaker 1: year old college student Brandon Swanson was driving home after

22
00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:24,840
Speaker 1: a night out when he crashed into a ditch on

23
00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:28,160
Speaker 1: a gravel road in the middle of nowhere in Minnesota.

24
00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:30,480
Speaker 1: He knew as well as us that this was a

25
00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,240
Speaker 1: classic horror movie set up, so we called his parents

26
00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,120
Speaker 1: and asked for a ride. Unquote, thanks Crack dot com.

27
00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,199
Speaker 1: I really appreciate the heads up on this period. Yeah,

28
00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,520
Speaker 1: they are, they're they're actually they actually come up with

29
00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:43,680
Speaker 1: some really good stuff. I love Cracked. Um. I should

30
00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,080
Speaker 1: also give a shout out to Dustin and Diana who

31
00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:50,240
Speaker 1: suggested this as well. Everybody. I think a lot of

32
00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:54,240
Speaker 1: other people have to just sometimes stopped after two or three. Yeah. Yeah,

33
00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,400
Speaker 1: the list of names is actually bigger than the description

34
00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,960
Speaker 1: of the mystery. Yeah, and there's only so much room

35
00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,440
Speaker 1: the spreadsheet. Yeah and so and so all the rest

36
00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,680
Speaker 1: that there is a finite number of rosen columns that

37
00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:07,520
Speaker 1: you can have on a spreadsheet. Yeah. This this is

38
00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,400
Speaker 1: a very popular mystery. Um. You know, I actually I

39
00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,800
Speaker 1: talked to a local Minnesota reporter about this last week,

40
00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,680
Speaker 1: and she said she's that her to her third and

41
00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:21,160
Speaker 1: fourth most clicked on articles are articles about Brendon Swanson.

42
00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,080
Speaker 1: And she says it's really strange too, because because she

43
00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,079
Speaker 1: says it'll go along and nothing will happen, all of

44
00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,639
Speaker 1: a sudden, just the clicks just shoot up bam. And

45
00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:33,600
Speaker 1: I just said, well, what happens. I know what happened?

46
00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,520
Speaker 1: Is that generation why? Or maybe read it or somebody

47
00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,560
Speaker 1: posted something about it, and then bam, your clicks are

48
00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:43,280
Speaker 1: going to go. Wait all yeah, yeah, you promised to

49
00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,040
Speaker 1: to link to one of our articles for actually I

50
00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,640
Speaker 1: actually I did, I said, And she's and she actually

51
00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,239
Speaker 1: wants me to. She wants me to let her know

52
00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,000
Speaker 1: when it's going to go up, and and she said

53
00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,959
Speaker 1: she might even do another article about it. Who knows.

54
00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,480
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean, all right, so let's let's

55
00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:03,120
Speaker 1: talk about the let's talking about Brandon. Enough about us, uh,

56
00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,400
Speaker 1: As the song says, I'm going back to the start.

57
00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,360
Speaker 1: Brandon was nineteen when he disappeared. He lived with his

58
00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,000
Speaker 1: parents and his sister in Marshall, Minnesota, and he had

59
00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,600
Speaker 1: just finished his first year of college. He was celebrating

60
00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:16,720
Speaker 1: with some friends in the tiny town of Lynn, which

61
00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,320
Speaker 1: is about six miles southwest of Marshall, Minnesota. He left

62
00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,200
Speaker 1: Lynne around ten to ten thirty to go to the

63
00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,680
Speaker 1: town of Canby, which is somewhat north there for another party.

64
00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,120
Speaker 1: So just briefly, if if you're near a computer in

65
00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,079
Speaker 1: a browser, get into Google Maps and find Marshall, Minnesota,

66
00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,880
Speaker 1: UM and then zoom out a little bit and you'll

67
00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,440
Speaker 1: see that Marshall is connected to the town of Camby

68
00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:41,320
Speaker 1: by State Highway sixty eight. It's about, yeah, pretty much

69
00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,120
Speaker 1: straight line. Yeah, it's to the northwest. So if you

70
00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,160
Speaker 1: can see the town, if if you can see the

71
00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,920
Speaker 1: towns of Canby and Marshall and Lynde, then that gives

72
00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,760
Speaker 1: you a great geographic reference for this whole thing. And

73
00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:53,960
Speaker 1: if you're not near a computer, well, you know, go

74
00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,600
Speaker 1: look at it. But this it's how it's really helpful

75
00:03:57,640 --> 00:03:59,760
Speaker 1: to be able to see this, because this is a

76
00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,000
Speaker 1: bit of geographic mystery. As I said, Brandon hung out

77
00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:04,520
Speaker 1: at the party it can be for a bit, and

78
00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,720
Speaker 1: he left around midnight or maybe twelve thirty. Nobody's entirely

79
00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,760
Speaker 1: sure exactly when he left. The date it was Wednesday,

80
00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,920
Speaker 1: May fourteenth, two thousand and eight. At that party, he

81
00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,960
Speaker 1: had a shot of whiskey, and he'd also have been

82
00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,560
Speaker 1: drinking a bit at the party in Lynne. But he wasn't.

83
00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:23,320
Speaker 1: He wasn't like, he wasn't anything. No, no, nobody reported

84
00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,120
Speaker 1: that he was smashed, although, of course, on the other hand,

85
00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,000
Speaker 1: if he was smashed, everybody to be saying, oh, no,

86
00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,160
Speaker 1: he wasn't because nobody wants to be liable. True, So

87
00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,960
Speaker 1: who knows. But I should imagine a noo that Brandon,

88
00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,560
Speaker 1: as far as I know, had no substance abuse issues.

89
00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:38,560
Speaker 1: He had no mental issues. He was a normal, well

90
00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,920
Speaker 1: adjusted kids, nineteen year old guy who went to a

91
00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,520
Speaker 1: couple of parties and had a couple of drinks. Yeah, exactly,

92
00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:46,640
Speaker 1: So you know, I don't. I have no evidence that

93
00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,479
Speaker 1: he was smashed. When Brandon left can Be to go

94
00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:51,840
Speaker 1: home to Marshall, he had a straight shot down Highway

95
00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,839
Speaker 1: sixty eight. You guys are starting out. Yeah, And but

96
00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:56,880
Speaker 1: he didn't do that. He took the back roads. I'm

97
00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,159
Speaker 1: assuming that he did that to avoid the police because

98
00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,840
Speaker 1: he had been drinking. Yeah that that's really the only

99
00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,680
Speaker 1: reason that you would do that. Pretty much. I've done

100
00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:06,200
Speaker 1: it a time or two when I lived in the

101
00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,320
Speaker 1: rural areas, and that was the only reason that I

102
00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:10,880
Speaker 1: went on those back roads and credited because it's easy

103
00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:15,760
Speaker 1: to get lost. Oh yeah, yeah, and hindsight, but he

104
00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:20,680
Speaker 1: really should have taken the highway. Yeah. I mean, well,

105
00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:22,440
Speaker 1: if you're looking at Google, you can see you can

106
00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:24,440
Speaker 1: see the back roads. And I'm talking about and this

107
00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:28,359
Speaker 1: is the countryside in this area is flat farmland, and

108
00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:32,440
Speaker 1: it's divided into sections as right. Yeah, yeah, it's actually

109
00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:34,800
Speaker 1: their squares that are one mile on the side, and

110
00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,200
Speaker 1: all the roads pretty much go on those section lines.

111
00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,960
Speaker 1: So it's a grid. And we should mention, um on

112
00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,919
Speaker 1: your phone, it's probably not going to show up, Yeah,

113
00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,320
Speaker 1: this whole area zooming out to see the town. Yeah

114
00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:52,120
Speaker 1: you're not. You don't have a screen, just as a mention. Yeah,

115
00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,839
Speaker 1: but if you if you get on a big screen,

116
00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:58,120
Speaker 1: you can see it quite well. UMU. And so Brandon,

117
00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,000
Speaker 1: if when he left Canby, we don't know exactly what

118
00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,000
Speaker 1: rude he took. He could have got He could have

119
00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,240
Speaker 1: gone dew east nine miles and then he could have

120
00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,880
Speaker 1: turned right and gone do south six and a half miles,

121
00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,919
Speaker 1: or he could have gone in a stair step fashion

122
00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,400
Speaker 1: of some kind exactly. He could have taken an infinite

123
00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,560
Speaker 1: number one maybe not infinite, but a whole there's a

124
00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:18,320
Speaker 1: whole lot of possibilities there, but he wound up essentially

125
00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,479
Speaker 1: going south for six and a half miles and anybody

126
00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,000
Speaker 1: right turned and went west for one mile on a

127
00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:24,839
Speaker 1: dirt road that went across the middle of one of

128
00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,080
Speaker 1: these sections, and then he tried to turn left onto

129
00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:32,040
Speaker 1: the Lion Lincoln County Road left being south, but he

130
00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,120
Speaker 1: screwed up. He turned it just a little bit too

131
00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,000
Speaker 1: soon and drove into the ditch. And it seems like

132
00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:41,120
Speaker 1: that would be pretty easy to do because his car

133
00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:45,400
Speaker 1: wasn't like new, was it. So you know, if you

134
00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,839
Speaker 1: have the like dimmer headlights and there's and there's definitely

135
00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,200
Speaker 1: not street lights out there, you know, so it's going

136
00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,359
Speaker 1: to be dark. And you know, I've driven out in

137
00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,120
Speaker 1: that kind of country and it's I mean, I think

138
00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,400
Speaker 1: we all have it's hard to judge where that his

139
00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,480
Speaker 1: road and where it's ditch. And you know, if if

140
00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,320
Speaker 1: he made the mistake of trying to be covert and

141
00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,440
Speaker 1: drive with just his low beams on instead of his

142
00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:10,600
Speaker 1: high beams, or even if his high beams were I mean,

143
00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,480
Speaker 1: I've had the cars where the high beams are still

144
00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,240
Speaker 1: terrible compared to the every other car around. Oh yeah, Well,

145
00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,160
Speaker 1: you know, you don't know too. I mean again, he

146
00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,360
Speaker 1: was taking the back roads. He actually taking this route

147
00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,320
Speaker 1: that he took, was actually going the opposite direction from

148
00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,640
Speaker 1: where his objective was, which was Marshall. And he might

149
00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,000
Speaker 1: have had his lights off. He might have actually been

150
00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,360
Speaker 1: maybe a pair of headlights showed up in his review

151
00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,040
Speaker 1: mirror and he decided to take off Denis dirt Road

152
00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:41,920
Speaker 1: turn his lights off. That's entirely possible. That's that's really paranoid.

153
00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,239
Speaker 1: That is paranoid. Yeah, I mean, and you know, again,

154
00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,600
Speaker 1: Brandon would have been well served. He actually would have

155
00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:48,160
Speaker 1: been much much better off to have been pulled over

156
00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:53,160
Speaker 1: by law enforcement and arrested for dewey. Yeah, that intoxicated. Yeah,

157
00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,000
Speaker 1: I don't even know if he was a smash. But

158
00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,200
Speaker 1: so he makes his turn and get stuck in the

159
00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,920
Speaker 1: ditch and he pulls out his cell phone. What time

160
00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,600
Speaker 1: was this? This was one am on the fourteenth of

161
00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,800
Speaker 1: fourteenth of May. He started calling his friends and nobody

162
00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,120
Speaker 1: was picking up. Yeah, and so they were probably all asleep,

163
00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,200
Speaker 1: or maybe they were partying so hard and so loud

164
00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:18,120
Speaker 1: they didn't hear their phones going off. At four am,

165
00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:22,240
Speaker 1: he called his parents. Ye, that has just got to

166
00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:27,600
Speaker 1: that's just the call you want to get. Ye. You know,

167
00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:29,640
Speaker 1: my my brother when he was in situations like that,

168
00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,000
Speaker 1: would just call me because I was lame, was a

169
00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:36,480
Speaker 1: lame older sister and just like, yeah, no, I was asleepy,

170
00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,400
Speaker 1: You'll come pick you up. Yeah, but yeah, sooner or later,

171
00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,520
Speaker 1: when nobody else is picking up, you gotta call the parents.

172
00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,400
Speaker 1: And that's what he did. His parents are Brian and

173
00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,520
Speaker 1: Annette Swanson, and by the way, they are still wondering

174
00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,480
Speaker 1: what the hell happened to Brandon. So Brandon, if you're listening,

175
00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:55,000
Speaker 1: please call home. Brian Andnette got into the family pickup

176
00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,360
Speaker 1: truck and they left to go find Brandon. Now he

177
00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:01,000
Speaker 1: was he had committed some navigational errors. I was going

178
00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,640
Speaker 1: to say, he probably wasn't super sure where he was.

179
00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,319
Speaker 1: Yeah he was. He was way off. Yeah, this is

180
00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,480
Speaker 1: this is what doomed their rescue mission because Brandon told

181
00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:11,719
Speaker 1: him he was stuck just off Highway twenty three and

182
00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:15,480
Speaker 1: near Lynn, between Lynn and Marshall, which is way farther south.

183
00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,480
Speaker 1: It's it's like twenty miles away. Yeah, And this, to

184
00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,079
Speaker 1: me is one of the most truly puzzling things about

185
00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,520
Speaker 1: this story is that how he could possibly have believed

186
00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,719
Speaker 1: that he was anywhere near Lynn when he was so

187
00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,120
Speaker 1: far away. So I actually I thought about that, and

188
00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,560
Speaker 1: I have an idea. Okay, he knew how long it

189
00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:37,240
Speaker 1: took to go from town A to Town B on

190
00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:41,000
Speaker 1: the highway, let's just say thirty minutes. So he's been

191
00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,160
Speaker 1: driving on these dirt roads where he's got to go

192
00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,120
Speaker 1: much slower and taking all these turns, and he's like, well,

193
00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:49,440
Speaker 1: I've been driving for thirty or forty minutes. I've got

194
00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:53,040
Speaker 1: to be almost there because I've I've made that same

195
00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,680
Speaker 1: mistake because you don't think about the fact that you're

196
00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,120
Speaker 1: not going in a straight line and you're going slower.

197
00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:00,720
Speaker 1: So I can see how that is. But the other

198
00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,240
Speaker 1: thing is that we are all spoiled today. We think,

199
00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,599
Speaker 1: I know somebody's gonna say this, Well, why didn't he

200
00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,520
Speaker 1: just look at his phone and see what the map said?

201
00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:14,439
Speaker 1: His phone wasn't It was a motor motor role of

202
00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:16,600
Speaker 1: silver is what it was. I was reading about it,

203
00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,000
Speaker 1: and it didn't have that capability. It could hold MP

204
00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:24,439
Speaker 1: three's and play music, but it didn't have that Internet

205
00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:29,760
Speaker 1: capacity that you'd have to have for doing doing maps. Okay, yes,

206
00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:34,560
Speaker 1: it was a silver, not a silver I had one. Yeah, sorry,

207
00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:38,200
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure here. Yeah, I don't

208
00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:39,800
Speaker 1: know it was I mean it was the it was

209
00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,760
Speaker 1: the flat version of the razor, right. Yeah, it's kind

210
00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:44,240
Speaker 1: of like that. I think they call that style the

211
00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,760
Speaker 1: candy bar. Yeah, but I thought it was the bread loaf.

212
00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:51,200
Speaker 1: But well, I mean I guess I think also, you know,

213
00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,560
Speaker 1: it's it's not as though there are street signs on

214
00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,240
Speaker 1: those dirt roads, those back roads, and I bet he

215
00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,439
Speaker 1: thought he just turned the wrong way. Well, you know,

216
00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,520
Speaker 1: said that the all the roads all looked the same

217
00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:04,240
Speaker 1: in that area, and I can believe it. I mean,

218
00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,360
Speaker 1: I've been on street View and I've I've looked around

219
00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,880
Speaker 1: the area and yeah, it's flat. Well I was. You know,

220
00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:10,839
Speaker 1: that's funny, as you say about the street signs, is

221
00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:15,120
Speaker 1: that I was reading on one one site and it

222
00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,559
Speaker 1: was the funniest thing. It was some wiki And this

223
00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,320
Speaker 1: is what cracked me up, is that somebody had gone

224
00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,120
Speaker 1: through and written the wiki, and somebody else had come

225
00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,360
Speaker 1: back through and edited and put all of their um

226
00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:30,000
Speaker 1: their responses to statements in italics. The snarky yeah is

227
00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:31,640
Speaker 1: that the one that I put out there? And yeah,

228
00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:33,800
Speaker 1: you said that one to me, And it's because it

229
00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,800
Speaker 1: says there's no street size. It says, yes, there are

230
00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:41,599
Speaker 1: there everywhere, So it doesn't sound like it was completely unmarked.

231
00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:46,000
Speaker 1: It probably wasn't every intersection, but it was probably a

232
00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,600
Speaker 1: significant number of Yeah, I should have given him some

233
00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,079
Speaker 1: idea unless he wasn't paying attention to which is probably.

234
00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,920
Speaker 1: It's entirely possible. But no, I mean, if he's to

235
00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,240
Speaker 1: wind up where it was, he I could see where

236
00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,600
Speaker 1: he would, he would leave Canby and drive due east.

237
00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,320
Speaker 1: But somehow in the mistaken belief that he was driving

238
00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:10,600
Speaker 1: due south instead, and so that's entirely possible. It's totally possible,

239
00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,760
Speaker 1: but still it's still it's still kind of a mystery

240
00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,640
Speaker 1: to me. But it doesn't really matter. It was a

241
00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:21,559
Speaker 1: huge navigational air but uh, Brian and Annette, Brandon's parents

242
00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:23,960
Speaker 1: got into the vicinity of Land, which is only six

243
00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,600
Speaker 1: miles away from their home in Marshall's, so they got

244
00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,319
Speaker 1: very quickly. They started driving up and down the side roads.

245
00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,120
Speaker 1: Brian was driving and that was on the phone with Brandon,

246
00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,280
Speaker 1: and they were flashing their headlights and saying, hey, can

247
00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,040
Speaker 1: you see her headlights flashing? And Brandon was saying, no,

248
00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,480
Speaker 1: can you see my headlights flashing? And he was still

249
00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:42,000
Speaker 1: with the car at this point in time, which is

250
00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:49,800
Speaker 1: obviously not really surprising that nobody saw the flashing headlights.

251
00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,200
Speaker 1: At this point, Brandon was apparently getting a little snippy

252
00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:57,240
Speaker 1: with his mom and losing patients, and so Brian Brandon's

253
00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,920
Speaker 1: dad dropped his mom off at home and went back

254
00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,760
Speaker 1: out to look for Brandon again. He called him at

255
00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,920
Speaker 1: two twenty three am and they were on a long

256
00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:10,680
Speaker 1: phone call for forty seven minutes. Brandon had at this

257
00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,480
Speaker 1: point left the car, which is not something you should

258
00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:15,839
Speaker 1: be doing, but well, in this particular case, it probably

259
00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:17,760
Speaker 1: wasn't a good idea, but he left the car and

260
00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:21,040
Speaker 1: his his intention was to walk into the town of Lynne,

261
00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:22,679
Speaker 1: which he still believed he was near, and he was

262
00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:25,840
Speaker 1: seeing glowing lights of a town nearby. The town. Actually,

263
00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,600
Speaker 1: I believe it was Porter. I think that's correct. Yeah,

264
00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:30,760
Speaker 1: I think it was Porter. Or what's the other one

265
00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,800
Speaker 1: that starts with the T, Yeah, Taunton. It's one of

266
00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:35,319
Speaker 1: those two. He had to be said, well, he was

267
00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:40,080
Speaker 1: headed towards Porter. He was, Yeah, he was meet him

268
00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,079
Speaker 1: at the tovern. He told him, Yeah, he told his

269
00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:43,800
Speaker 1: dad to meet him at in the parking lot of

270
00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,280
Speaker 1: the Lynwood Tavern in Lynn, which, by the way, is

271
00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,000
Speaker 1: still there if you do a little do a little

272
00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,040
Speaker 1: googling on them there. They still have a web page,

273
00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:51,880
Speaker 1: but street view won't let you go into the bar

274
00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,560
Speaker 1: to look around. No, it won't. Y you know, that's

275
00:13:55,559 --> 00:14:00,600
Speaker 1: why pokemon goo exists, right seriously. That yeah, I'm so,

276
00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,280
Speaker 1: I'm amazed it took this long to work. Well there,

277
00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,640
Speaker 1: that's the whole reason that it exists is because Google

278
00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,040
Speaker 1: wants to map the inside of buildings. And since you know,

279
00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:09,880
Speaker 1: you have to take video all the time and you

280
00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,920
Speaker 1: upload it to the cloud, that's how they're mapping it. Really,

281
00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:17,000
Speaker 1: and that's it. That makes sense. I just want to say,

282
00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,840
Speaker 1: and and and so tasteful that that that the Holocaust

283
00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,760
Speaker 1: Museum is part of the pokemon go Yeah, yeah, okay,

284
00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:25,720
Speaker 1: back to the story that what we're talking about. He

285
00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:27,720
Speaker 1: was so, Brandon is out of the car and he's

286
00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,480
Speaker 1: heading towards what he thinks is the town of Lynde,

287
00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,560
Speaker 1: which is in actuality of the town of Porter. So

288
00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,960
Speaker 1: he's walking down according to his father, he's what he

289
00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,960
Speaker 1: was walking down a gravel road towards Lynde. At the end,

290
00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,560
Speaker 1: he said he was cutting across the field to save time.

291
00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,080
Speaker 1: He mentioned that he came across two fences, which I

292
00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:49,080
Speaker 1: assume he climbed over. Yeah. He said there was water nearby,

293
00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,880
Speaker 1: which I am assuming was the Yellow Medicine River, which

294
00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,040
Speaker 1: kind of meanders all throughout the area. You guys have

295
00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,960
Speaker 1: seen the arials. And then at three ten, Brandon said

296
00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,560
Speaker 1: in an alarm tone, and the phone went dead. And

297
00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,960
Speaker 1: that's the last time anybody who from Brandon Swanson. So

298
00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,240
Speaker 1: obviously this set off a few alarm bills. The family

299
00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,240
Speaker 1: kept searching all night, and they kept calling Brandon's phone,

300
00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,160
Speaker 1: and the phone would ring several times and then would

301
00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,360
Speaker 1: go to voicemail after indicates that the phone was still on.

302
00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:23,400
Speaker 1: Apparently still on but not necessarily functional. No, no, I

303
00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,360
Speaker 1: mean you're not always because we've talked about this before

304
00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,200
Speaker 1: that the phone ringing doesn't necessarily mean that the phone

305
00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:33,600
Speaker 1: is ringing, Yeah, exactly, So just I want to make

306
00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:35,600
Speaker 1: sure we talked about that, because we'll bring something up

307
00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:37,680
Speaker 1: in theories in a minute. Yeah, but now, I mean

308
00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:39,880
Speaker 1: people have read a lot into that though, because for

309
00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:43,720
Speaker 1: about a day and a half until until about Thursday afternoon,

310
00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:46,760
Speaker 1: the phone would ring several times in a good voicemail,

311
00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:50,920
Speaker 1: and starting about late on Thursday, it stopped ringing. When

312
00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,080
Speaker 1: you call it, it would just go straight to voicemail,

313
00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,440
Speaker 1: which most people I've interpreted as the phone was still

314
00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,000
Speaker 1: on and then the battery died and at that point

315
00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,400
Speaker 1: started going directly to voicemail, which is uh, which is

316
00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,520
Speaker 1: actually a reasonable interpretation. But apparently it does appear that

317
00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,680
Speaker 1: the phone was not functioning, and we don't know because

318
00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:12,520
Speaker 1: that was never found. Brandon phone was never found, so

319
00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:14,840
Speaker 1: we don't really know. I mean, he could have when

320
00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,000
Speaker 1: he when he his whole o s I'll call it

321
00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,720
Speaker 1: from his whole os moment. A lot of people have

322
00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:24,720
Speaker 1: read that to be, yeah, exactly, I've read that to

323
00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,280
Speaker 1: be like, you know, he was walking along, cutting through

324
00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:29,800
Speaker 1: this field and then suddenly a serial killer popped up

325
00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:33,640
Speaker 1: with a chainsaw. Nobody knows. Really, we really don't know.

326
00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,960
Speaker 1: So they looked for Brandon, obviously, yeah they did. Uh Yeah.

327
00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,440
Speaker 1: The police were notified at six thirty am the Brandon

328
00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,400
Speaker 1: was missing. One of the first things, of course, that

329
00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,160
Speaker 1: they did, as they checked with Brandon's cell provider and

330
00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:47,800
Speaker 1: they found out that he when he was talking to

331
00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,000
Speaker 1: his parents on the phone. He was connected to a

332
00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:53,560
Speaker 1: cell tower in Minneota and sorry Minnesota residence if I've

333
00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:57,480
Speaker 1: mispronounced that, but Minneota, which is several miles southeast of Taunton,

334
00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:59,600
Speaker 1: which is the town that he was closest to, and

335
00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,120
Speaker 1: that was definitely not the cell tower he would have

336
00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:05,200
Speaker 1: been accessing if he was anywhere near the town of Lynne, which,

337
00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,000
Speaker 1: as I've said already, was way far away. So that's

338
00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,840
Speaker 1: how they kind of gave their initial circle of where

339
00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,480
Speaker 1: to search at, yeah, exactly, and so they focused their

340
00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:15,879
Speaker 1: their efforts on the area around Highways sixty eight to

341
00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:19,000
Speaker 1: the northwest of Marshall, uh and a twelve thirty pm

342
00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,280
Speaker 1: on the day of the fourteenth, the sheriff's deputy did

343
00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,280
Speaker 1: find Brandon's car in the ditch, but there was no Brandon.

344
00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,760
Speaker 1: There were initial efforts were made to find amusing dogs

345
00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,560
Speaker 1: he was These were kind of inconclusive. The next day,

346
00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:35,000
Speaker 1: on Thursday, they brought up bloodhound and used the bloodhound

347
00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,159
Speaker 1: to track his to track his trail from where he

348
00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,800
Speaker 1: left the car, and they gave the bloodhound something to

349
00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,840
Speaker 1: take get a cent for apparently. So the first dogs

350
00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:46,719
Speaker 1: were just less search without something where they like cadaver

351
00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,040
Speaker 1: dogs or something, you know. I don't know. I think

352
00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,040
Speaker 1: I think they were actually tracker dogs, but they weren't bloodhounds,

353
00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,680
Speaker 1: you know. And there's yeah, there's a difference between bringing

354
00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,600
Speaker 1: a dog in and trying to have a track ascent

355
00:17:56,840 --> 00:18:00,520
Speaker 1: and giving it to That's why my question is, like,

356
00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,560
Speaker 1: why weren't they just doing that in the first place.

357
00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:04,480
Speaker 1: Why did they have to wait for the bloodhound? But whatever,

358
00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:08,119
Speaker 1: I I don't know, it might for that bloodhound is

359
00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,600
Speaker 1: much higher. Yeah, it's continued. Yeah, not every yeah, not

360
00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,320
Speaker 1: every county is going to necessarily have bloodhounds on hand.

361
00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:18,280
Speaker 1: So but anyway, they brought him in. The bloodhound tracked

362
00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,800
Speaker 1: from the car from where the car was tracked his

363
00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:24,600
Speaker 1: trail half mile south and then a mile west towards

364
00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:28,240
Speaker 1: Porter about a half mile north and then he left

365
00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,480
Speaker 1: the road, uh and went across this and and this

366
00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,640
Speaker 1: totally tracks with what his father said he was talking about.

367
00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,520
Speaker 1: He was talking about walking down gravel roads. And then

368
00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,320
Speaker 1: he left the road and cut across an abandoned farm

369
00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,199
Speaker 1: that was and his track was basically parallel to the

370
00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:46,120
Speaker 1: what is the Yellow Medicine River, which, by the way,

371
00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:50,480
Speaker 1: is probably the most exhaustively searched river in human history. Yeah,

372
00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,720
Speaker 1: they have definitely scoured that river for his body. And

373
00:18:53,760 --> 00:19:00,280
Speaker 1: it's not really a river. It's not something at that time. Yeah, yeah,

374
00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,280
Speaker 1: that would have been the main It's probably still there,

375
00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,520
Speaker 1: probably still some some snow run off or spring run off,

376
00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:08,560
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. But we're not talking like a roaring,

377
00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,200
Speaker 1: fifteen foot deep, you know, ten foot wide river. We're

378
00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,520
Speaker 1: talking like a creek that you might get your feet

379
00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:16,920
Speaker 1: up to your knees. I mean, it's it's one of

380
00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:18,640
Speaker 1: those things, are you know, if you if you if

381
00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,040
Speaker 1: you fall into it, you could definitely bash your head

382
00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,200
Speaker 1: on a rock and wind up with your face underwater,

383
00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,840
Speaker 1: and but it wouldn't also wash you away. Your body

384
00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,320
Speaker 1: would probably be there. It could it's not a creek.

385
00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,920
Speaker 1: They could wash you a little ways, but it's like

386
00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,840
Speaker 1: not away forever. The question I'm trying to well, no,

387
00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,520
Speaker 1: it's been it's been characterized by locals as being more

388
00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:39,600
Speaker 1: of a creek than a river. Okay, okay, and they

389
00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,119
Speaker 1: and yeah, so I just want to clarify it's not

390
00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:46,399
Speaker 1: something that would just wash a human away. No, No,

391
00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,960
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Well, at one point that the bloodhound.

392
00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:52,840
Speaker 1: It followed. It followed his track through this field, and

393
00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:54,520
Speaker 1: then at one point it actually went to the Yellow

394
00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:58,080
Speaker 1: Medicine River and jumped into the river, which led people

395
00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,600
Speaker 1: to believe that Brandon maybe had fallen in. But then

396
00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:02,800
Speaker 1: it climbed back out of the river and it picked

397
00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,040
Speaker 1: up his track again, and his track went all the

398
00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,400
Speaker 1: way up to a hundred sixty avenue, which is, by

399
00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,199
Speaker 1: the way, not an avenue. It's gravel road, just like

400
00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,120
Speaker 1: all the other gravel roads we've been talking about. It

401
00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,800
Speaker 1: was on a section line and the trail ended at

402
00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:19,000
Speaker 1: the road. Um, so my theory is that Brandon was

403
00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:24,439
Speaker 1: abducted by aliens. That makes sense, Yeah, sense totally. Well. Actually,

404
00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,439
Speaker 1: though there were no burn marks from their reaction list thrusters,

405
00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:29,520
Speaker 1: and there were no crop circles, even though there were

406
00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,360
Speaker 1: lots of crops nearby, and they think, why would aliens

407
00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:36,400
Speaker 1: not leave crop circles exactly. So okay, let's let's discard

408
00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,600
Speaker 1: that theory. But I'm more likely theory as a trail

409
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,760
Speaker 1: vantaged because on the morning of May fourteenth, this is

410
00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,280
Speaker 1: why the trail ended it the road. This is why

411
00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,800
Speaker 1: possibly the trail ended the road. There's are there are

412
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:53,560
Speaker 1: other possibilities, but the that particular road was regraded that morning, Yeah,

413
00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:58,560
Speaker 1: bad time. It was was just that road regraded or

414
00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,360
Speaker 1: were more roads in the area I never could sign. Yeah,

415
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:05,400
Speaker 1: I couldn't find exactly which ones were regraded. And and

416
00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,119
Speaker 1: so I mean, obviously, if if the other roads, like

417
00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,040
Speaker 1: the roads that that the bloodhound followed him on, were

418
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,879
Speaker 1: also regraded and that didn't erase his scent, which is

419
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,320
Speaker 1: entirely possible, It's tirely possibly come along and just sort

420
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,440
Speaker 1: of rearrange the gravel a little bit and it doesn't

421
00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,520
Speaker 1: destroy the sense. The only reason I was asking is

422
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,960
Speaker 1: that because I was wondering, if they were regrading everything

423
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:25,879
Speaker 1: in that area, how did the guy drive in the

424
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,480
Speaker 1: grade or not notice a car in the ditch. That's

425
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:32,399
Speaker 1: why I'm well trying to believe that only a few roads,

426
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 1: not they were doing the whole area. Yeah, I don't know.

427
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,959
Speaker 1: I guess it was a local regrading, not the county

428
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,000
Speaker 1: or whoever. Yeah, I I really don't know. And it

429
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:41,920
Speaker 1: might it might very well be that the guy did

430
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 1: notice the car in the ditch and he actually called

431
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 1: the sheriff's department, well, or maybe didn't even call. I mean,

432
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,720
Speaker 1: you grew up in a small town with ditches around.

433
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 1: Did you every time you saw a truck in the ditch,

434
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,440
Speaker 1: did you call the cops and say, oh, there's a

435
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,160
Speaker 1: truck in this ditch or did you just say property

436
00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,359
Speaker 1: and understood did they yeah, yeah, because it's it's But

437
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,879
Speaker 1: wasn't property. Weren't a lot of the farms around there abandoned,

438
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 1: just the one that It actually seems like it was

439
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 1: mostly all being there. There was that one abandoned farm

440
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 1: that you cut across. But if you know, at the

441
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 1: end at the time, I don't really know, but it

442
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:17,920
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like there were that many abandoned farms. I mean,

443
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 1: I guess, you know, it would be my inclination to

444
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,640
Speaker 1: say that. You know, if it's a town where there's

445
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 1: lots of college kids kind of driving through the area,

446
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 1: you wouldn't necessarily if you saw a car in a ditch,

447
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 1: you woke up the next morning, you'd go, you know,

448
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,640
Speaker 1: is there somebody in there? No, okay, great, bye, they'll

449
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,680
Speaker 1: come for it. It's not. Yeah, it sounds somebody will

450
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 1: take care of it. Obviously, people are motivated to retrieve

451
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,360
Speaker 1: their cars, and if it's there three days later, well,

452
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 1: then obviously you want to go out and pour lighter

453
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 1: fluid on it and fire. But of the two, yeah,

454
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 1: something like that. Oh where was I though? Um? So,

455
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 1: the search for Brandon has been going on ever since,

456
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,920
Speaker 1: and it's been a very intensive search. The last big

457
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 1: push was in October. A lot of people search the

458
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,679
Speaker 1: mud Creek area in northwest of Porter. And uh, I

459
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,199
Speaker 1: don't really I don't really know if Brandon could have

460
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 1: would have made it that far. I don't know why

461
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: he would have actually gone anywhere beyond Porter. But apparently

462
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 1: it's some HRD dogs mud Creek north west, I should say.

463
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,919
Speaker 1: You know, mud Creek is it's kind of kind of

464
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,640
Speaker 1: hard to find on the map. It's kind of north

465
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 1: of Porter. And so he would have passed Porter. Yeah, yeah,

466
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 1: and and and that the thought is, of course the

467
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,479
Speaker 1: watershed from mud Creek is much bigger than bud Creek itself.

468
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 1: They're thinking some HRD dogs and HRD Human Remains Detection dogs. Yeah,

469
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 1: and there's that's so there's a bloodhound which can follow

470
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 1: your set, and then there's especially trained dogs that can

471
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 1: smell a dead body. These HRD dogs have just have

472
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: scented something in mud Creek so they're thinking, somewhere in

473
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 1: mud the Mud Creek watershed, there's a corpse, and so

474
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,239
Speaker 1: they've they've been searching it and again. And I know

475
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: that part of the reason they were thinking that far

476
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 1: is that they based they based the distance that a

477
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 1: normal person can walk in a in a certain amount

478
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 1: of time. And then that's and then they created their

479
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 1: their whole area that they were going to look and

480
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 1: based on that. Yeah, that's how they got to it.

481
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,919
Speaker 1: I think at some point, yeah, you just kind of say, well, okay,

482
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 1: you know what, he could have walked. And you know,

483
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 1: if you're if you're still looking what you know ten

484
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: fifteen years later, you're not just saying, well, he would

485
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 1: have stopped in Porter, So why didn't he stop in Porter?

486
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 1: You know, you're saying, I don't know, he could have

487
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 1: walked to Wisconsin for all I know, And you don't

488
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 1: really know. I mean, you're going to start searching all

489
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 1: that stuff. I think, Yeah, but yeah, I don't doubt

490
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: there probably is a corpse somewhere in that watershed. I

491
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: don't know if it's Brandon or not, but apparent it

492
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me. Yeah. Yeah, And also at one point

493
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure exactly when, but at some point

494
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: more recently, much more recently, in two thousand and eight,

495
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 1: five different HRD dogs showed a very intense interest in

496
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: a field cultivator like a tiller, which is kind of

497
00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 1: gruesome to think about. But yeah, somebody, somebody necessarily even Brandon,

498
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: but somebody apparently got tilled into the soil and one

499
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: of those fields around there's there's there's a lot of

500
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: things that gets spread on fields for fertilizing. You know,

501
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: maybe somebody got somebody got thrown in the fertilizer or

502
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 1: you know, I think I'm going to assume that the

503
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 1: human remains detection dogs are smart enough and well trained

504
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,360
Speaker 1: enough to only be detecting dead things. But it's possible

505
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 1: that they're they just detect human you know, things like

506
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: blood and like those things. So like if somebody got there,

507
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: like foot cut off on act the farm. Accidents are

508
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 1: very very common, yeah they are, and they probably don't

509
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: send for the cultivator back to the factory to be sterilized.

510
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 1: People somebody gets are torn off for me, you know.

511
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: On the one hand, I do want to assume that

512
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 1: the dogs would be smart enough to just ignore that

513
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: but also I don't necessarily know why they would be

514
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: smart enough to ignore that. I don't know what they're

515
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: training to react. So possible that somebody got the arm

516
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: pulled off, and that's the way less geresome. Yeah, well,

517
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 1: it's still pretty gread. Somebody just cut themselves while working

518
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: on the piece of machinery. I mean, it would have

519
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 1: been probably a bit pretty big cut. Yeah, I don't know.

520
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: I've I have cut my arm pretty badly, and though

521
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 1: it wasn't a big scarring wound, it was a bleeder

522
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: and so I bled everywhere as I was trying to

523
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 1: staunch the flow. So then I can see something like

524
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 1: that again, I guess they just assumed that it's more

525
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: than blood that those dogs are detecting. And that's an

526
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: assumption that I it's it's hard to say, is that

527
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: correct or not? That's all I'm saying. Well, okay, I'm

528
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: not going to get into all the details of all

529
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,360
Speaker 1: the searches. There's been a lot of them, and against

530
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 1: it seems like almost one or two a year. Yeah, yeah,

531
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: since he disappeared. Yeah, and and as I said again,

532
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 1: the Yellow medicine River is everybody's favorite theory fell into

533
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: the river, and that's been thoroughly scoured, and I'm pretty

534
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: sure he didn't fall into the river. But let's talk

535
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 1: about our theories about what happened. First theory is that

536
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 1: Brandon fell into the Yellow Medicine River and drowned. And

537
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,360
Speaker 1: people on various websites have sort of, you know, sort

538
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: of said that, you know, maybe he got swept downstream,

539
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: his body got pinned under a rock, and that's why

540
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: it's never been found. But there's a few problems with

541
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: this that I have. Of course, as I just said,

542
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: the river has been very very thoroughly searched, and the

543
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: HRD dogs again he even remains. Detection dogs have sniffed,

544
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: the sniffed the river and they they don't haven't picked

545
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: up any trace of a body in the river. And

546
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: at his os moments, he was close to the river.

547
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 1: But the river at that place, if you look at

548
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 1: the area, you can see this, it's it's actually lined

549
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: with trees and and then rushing everything. Yeah. And so

550
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: because you can't form up to the bank of any

551
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 1: body of water. Yeah. Now, and Brandon's objective was to

552
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: reach a hundred sixty avenue as quickly as possible. That's

553
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: why he that's why he took his shortcut, and that's

554
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: when he had his OS moment. But he was he

555
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,360
Speaker 1: was cutting. He was cutting across the field the head

556
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: towards the light that he saw in the distance, not

557
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: necessarily the road. He didn't know where exactly. Well, he

558
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: knew it was up there, yeah, but he also I mean,

559
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 1: if he decided to cut across the field, he said,

560
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: screw this, I'm tired of going up and you know up,

561
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: so I'm just going to go straight towards it. So

562
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: he wasn't He could have been heading that direction, but not.

563
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: But he wouldn't go into the trees. That was my point.

564
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 1: But did he know that a hundred and sixty was

565
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 1: up there? He thought he was in a totally different place.

566
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: He didn't know what road was up there. That's why

567
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying. He was heading towards the light of the

568
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: town that he saw in the distance and didn't know

569
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: what road. He didn't care what road because he was

570
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: cut across this crop. Now he but but Brandon made

571
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: the quite reasonable he'd walked a half mile up this

572
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: road before he cut across the field. He made the

573
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: quite reasonable assumption that again, these roads are every mile

574
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: on the section lines he made, and so he made

575
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: the reasonable assumption that there was a road right over there,

576
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: and he cut across that field. And again, why would

577
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: he go into the woods and tumble into the river

578
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: when why wouldn't he? Why wouldn't it because because going

579
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: into the woods it's not part of the mission. His

580
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: mission was to get to get to the next road.

581
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: He doesn't he doesn't know what's in the woods. He

582
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: doesn't know if it's just uh is it copes or

583
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: corpse of trees, trees, He doesn't know if it's just

584
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: because it's pitch black, there's no moon at this point,

585
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: be blind in one eye, so his depth perception is

586
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: really poor. He has no idea what's in there. So

587
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: you're looking at a map and saying, well, obviously he

588
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: had to be doing this, but he could have had

589
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: no idea and thought, that's a little bunch of trees,

590
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: I'll just go through it. I feel like every reason

591
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: that you just gave is a reason for him to

592
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: not go in there, because he doesn't know. I mean,

593
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: he because he doesn't know what's through there. And if

594
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: I know anything, it's that when you start cutting through

595
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: trees you're no longer walking in a straight line exact

596
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: plays and his track mostly parallel the Yellow Medicine River.

597
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: It didn't and it didn't really intersect it, except the

598
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: dog did run over and jump in the river. Is

599
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: that that made everybody think he jumped he fell into

600
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: the river. But I don't see why he would have.

601
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: So here's the thing, Joe is forgetting something and you

602
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: haven't had this experience, which is being a peeved off

603
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: nineteen year old dude who just says, iff it, I

604
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: know what I'm doing, I'm going there. Nothing's getting well.

605
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: And I guess that is the Other truth is that

606
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: if he was walking down it for so long, he

607
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: was walking parallel to it, and he was like, oh

608
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: my god, I'm never going to find a bridge to

609
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: hell with this. This is I've I've made these kind

610
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: of decisions as a very young man, and they were

611
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: very dumb, and he could have just said, you know what,

612
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: I can make it. He's overconfident in his abilities to

613
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: navigate through it in the dark. But I don't think

614
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: he's in the river. But I am using that as

615
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: a reason to say that he may not have just

616
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,719
Speaker 1: been going up to one. He may have actually thought

617
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: to cross the water. Yeah, and it's fair, It's fair

618
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: might have I mean, I think that would be a

619
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: dumb move, but I tend to trust the Bloodhound. I mean,

620
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,959
Speaker 1: I think probably tracked him, and so that would suggest

621
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: that he also did not perish in the river that

622
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: he crossed the river, it appears to the Bloodhounds. The

623
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: track it appears to be from what I have read,

624
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: and you guys have read the same stuff. Yeah, he

625
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: was tracked all the way to the road hundred sixty Avenue.

626
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: He was tracked all the way there. So whether he

627
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: made a little side trip to the river or not,

628
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure. There's something that he might have

629
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: fallen into the river, gotten soaked, and then gotten back out. Well,

630
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: that would also explain the phone a little bit maybe.

631
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: I mean, there's the potential that it got wet enough

632
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: that the ringer and screen were no longer working, but

633
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: it was still you know, quote unquote, yeah, it was

634
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: still ringing sort of working, but it wasn't functional. So

635
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: on his end, it wasn't ringing, and he couldn't I

636
00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: couldn't see who he thought it died. That's actually Yeah,

637
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: So as far as falling into the river goes. All

638
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: the evidence suggests that he made it two hundred sixty avenue.

639
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: So from that point there were only two other places

640
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: where he could have fallen into the river. There was

641
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: a culvert about half a mile three course of a

642
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: mile down the road. Because I'm assuming, and I think

643
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: it's fair to assume this that he continued westward on

644
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: D six, So there was a culvert where the river

645
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: passed under the road. He could have fallen in there.

646
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: I don't think he did, um, because you know, it's

647
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: like when you're walking on the gravel road, you kind

648
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: of know when you're getting off the road because you

649
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: stopped hearing that crunchy sound that your feet are making.

650
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: So even if he was completely blind, you know, and

651
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: completely unable to see in the dark, he still could

652
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: have made his way just by the noise and then

653
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: the texture of them. And so I don't think he

654
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,959
Speaker 1: fell into that culvert. And then the next place was

655
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: just right outside the town of Porter. There's a bridge there.

656
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: I see. I assume that you guys have seen it

657
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: on the arials. Yeah, And the bridge would be really

658
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: it's got a guard rail and everything like that, so

659
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: that would be kind of impossible, and again it's it's

660
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: reasonable to trust the bloodhounds tracking probably probably, Yeah, but

661
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: that's where it went, so okay, So we don't think

662
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: he fell and drowned. So we don't think he fell

663
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: out of the river and drowned. Yeah. Another theory is

664
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: that Brandon fell and he was knocked unconscious and died

665
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: from exposure. And it was it was it was a

666
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: bit chilly out. It was forty six degrees fahrenheit, which,

667
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: by the way, is about eight degrees centigrade. You're welcome. Yeah,

668
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: but Brandon was actually dressed for cool weather. I mean,

669
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: he wasn't dressed for freezing cold. But he had on

670
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: a T shirt, a polo shirt over that, and also

671
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: hoodie's a hoodie sweatshirt. So I mean enough. Do you

672
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: think that was enough? Yeah? I mean if he was soaking,

673
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: if he had indeed fallen into the river, yeah, and

674
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: was soaking wet in cold water, and you know, came

675
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: out and was walking and then fell and got knocked

676
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: unconscious and was really out cold, yeah, he that would have. Yeah,

677
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: that's a reasonable assumption to make. But if we're saying

678
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: he was dry and walking in a hoodie, I mean

679
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: I think that's enough. Yeah, he's not it's not gonna

680
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: be comfortable, but you're not going to die of hypothermia.

681
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: Oh no, not at all. And and of course if

682
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: he if he was knocked unconscious, well where's the body. Yeah,

683
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: so I have an idea on that. Yeah, we already

684
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: talked about this is that the road got graded. So

685
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: if it's a crappy road, before they grade it, typically

686
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: what you'll do is drive along pouring gravel and then

687
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: you grade it and the shoulder always grows the shoulder

688
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: of the road because there's always excess gravel getting shoved over.

689
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: So if he's right on the shoulder, he could have

690
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: been buried. Now why the dog didn't find him, I know,

691
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,919
Speaker 1: so don't give me the but he could have been

692
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: buried in extra gravel. Well for me, for me, it's

693
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: more than that. It's been a really long time. I'm

694
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: sure that road has been like all the gravel has

695
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: been stripped off it and re graded, and they've done

696
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff to that road. The shoulders. Yeah,

697
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: I'm sure that it's moved around enough that if there

698
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: were a body of a nineteen year old man in there,

699
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm saying this is another way people always say, well,

700
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: you know, this couldn't have happened. Well, but technically it

701
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: could have. It probably didn't because it hasn't been discovered yet. Yeah,

702
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,479
Speaker 1: I mean there's all kinds of problems with the whole

703
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: he fell and died of exposure, which is that he

704
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: no matter where he fell, he would be like right

705
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: in plain sight. Yeah, and there's just some ways that

706
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: people maybe he could have missed it. With the amount

707
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: of dogs they've used in this search, I don't think

708
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: they would have missed it at this point. A dog

709
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: would have found it human if even if he was

710
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,760
Speaker 1: kind of hidden, you know, or like in some brush

711
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,479
Speaker 1: or you know, under gravel. I think they've used enough

712
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: body detection dogs that they would have been found. He

713
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: would have been found. I think so. And there's other

714
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: things too. It's like, you know, we've all we've all

715
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: discussed hypotheramy before and how people like get this delusional

716
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: feeling that they're too warm, they start stripping their clothes

717
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: off and stuff, and that didn't happen here apparently. Well,

718
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 1: but he would have been unconscious, well, so he wouldn't

719
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: have been stripping his close off. Yeah. Well, I mean,

720
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 1: there are other other theories, and that is that he um,

721
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: he was freezing cold because he was he was wet,

722
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 1: and he was suffering from hypothermy and not quite right

723
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: in the head, and he crawled into a hidy hole.

724
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: He crawled underneath an outbuilding and a falling dogs. Dogs

725
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: would have found it. For humans, I mean, oh yeah. Well,

726
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: another theory, and this is very popular, is that he

727
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: fell into a well or a cistern. And this was

728
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: the first thing I thought of. Yeah, and and those

729
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: things are out there, but they've been checking every sister

730
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,919
Speaker 1: and every well, every basement, every coal shoot in the area.

731
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,439
Speaker 1: They've chad. I mean that they that they know there's

732
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: could be ones out there that they don't know. And

733
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: that's what I that's what I was thinking, is that

734
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: it's a poorly covered one he falls in, and then

735
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 1: within weeks the vegetation covers up that hole. Again, it's possible.

736
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: It's that's possible. Actually spent a lot of time on

737
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: the map looking for those kind of things. Yeah. Yeah,

738
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: But but the thing about it is is, um uh,

739
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: if that was his os moment, he's walking through that

740
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: field and suddenly falls into a well, and if it

741
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 1: were me, I wouldn't. I wouldn't be going I would

742
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: I wouldn't, I would scream. I mean, I don't know

743
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 1: what you guys would do. I mean, I think i've

744
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: the falling motion would be where you said you had

745
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: your OS moment. That's always my yeah. I would say yeah,

746
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: and I you know, when I trip, I go up

747
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, or you know, God blessed America or whatever. Um.

748
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 1: But you know that's all My initial reaction to things

749
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:34,439
Speaker 1: like that is to go oh something, not to scream. Well,

750
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean it was so you know,

751
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: if he goes oh and then drops the phone, it

752
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: goes dead, and then he's like into something that is

753
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: a mild team yeah yeah, is not I don't know,

754
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: it would be something that was several feet down. So

755
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, And i've been I've not been able

756
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: to find out what his exact tone of voice was,

757
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: whether it was like oh shoot, or was it oh shoot,

758
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: or was it I don't know. I don't know what

759
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,439
Speaker 1: his thought exactly. It was okay, yeah, So the open

760
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 1: well of sister and all more to say about that later.

761
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: Why I don't believe he did. Yeah, I don't think

762
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: he did another. Another theory said he just broke his

763
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 1: phone and actually his OS moments as oh shoot moment

764
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: was actually not any huge crisis like he fell into

765
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: the river, got it wet and then yeah, or like

766
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: like a serial killer didn't show up with a chainsaw.

767
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: It wasn't that. He's like, it's more like he tripped

768
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: over something or stepped into cow pie, you know, something

769
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: like that. But he continued walking. His phone wasn't working,

770
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: but he died of hypothermia later. But if he did

771
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: make it two hundred sixte and all evidence indicates that

772
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: he did, then he would have passed a farmhouse. You

773
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: guys have seen the arials. I'm assuming there's a farmhouse.

774
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: They're just like, I don't know, less than a mile

775
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 1: down the road. I have to assume he was continuing west.

776
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: He would have passed that farmhouse. Uh. They probably wouldn't

777
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: have been thrilled to be woken up at three thirty

778
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,439
Speaker 1: or so in the morning. But it's of than dying,

779
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: it's better than freezing to day. If he wasn't truly

780
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: in a crisis. There's other series out there. One is,

781
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: of course, this one. This one always comes up in

782
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: these disappearances, He ran away to join the circus. He

783
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: started a new life, and I think, yes, he's living

784
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: on a farm with Dorothy. I think, yeah, take him.

785
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: Yeah you think so? Okay, So, so you guys aren't

786
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: liking this theory. What's the next one? There's of course

787
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,720
Speaker 1: alien abduction. What do you guys think there's no proof

788
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: it was there like crop circles? No, there weren't. This

789
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: is just another one to be fun. Yeah, now, and

790
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: then another one. And this is always it's always stressed

791
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: when you when you read the web pages about him,

792
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: it's all law enforcement always stresses that there's no evidence

793
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: of foul play. Well, there's no evidence general, there's no evidence. Well, yeah,

794
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: there's no evidence of any of these things as far

795
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: as it's like hypothermia, drowning, there's absolutely no evidence falling

796
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: into a sister, and there's no evidence for anything. There's

797
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: some variations on the foul play theory. And then this

798
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: isn't and this is just in my head. Uh so

799
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: what if Brandon actually did stop at that farmhouse that

800
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: I was mentioning a minute ago and knocking the door,

801
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: but the farmer turned out to be a serial killer,

802
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: the bloody benders lived there. Yeah, it could have been. Yeah,

803
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: so we'll see. So he did a lot of walking

804
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: for nothing, or an alternative theories that the farmer was

805
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: a very suspicious, paranoid type and he shot branded to

806
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: death because there's a guy in here. There's a guy

807
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: in your property, Yeah at that three thirty four in

808
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: the morning, stumbling around and being weird. Yeah, and so

809
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,479
Speaker 1: might maybe shot him with death and then maybe maybe

810
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: thought about it and thought maybe I should like hush

811
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: this up a little bit, put him underneath the green silo. Yeah,

812
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: he buried him somewhere and actually in the area of

813
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: the farm. Uh, there is a spot that's a little

814
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: bit greener. Yeah, Okay, I'm just kidding, but you know,

815
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: and I don't think that's what happened, but that's you know,

816
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: that's possible. Another possibility as a Brandon made it all

817
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: the way to the town of Porter, which I think

818
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: he might just have. But the time was all rolled

819
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: up and nothing was open, and I have no idea

820
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: if there was a phone booth or any kind of

821
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: public phone and porter at that time. I don't know.

822
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 1: Two thousand and eight, I mean, phone booths are almost

823
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 1: all gone. There's still one that I know of down

824
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: on like twelve Yeah, you know the one I'm talking about. No,

825
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: but it doesn't matter. It's a weird, lonely, little lonely

826
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,919
Speaker 1: little phone thing, um yeah, on this in this vacant lot.

827
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: But anyway, I don't see I looked on street view.

828
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: I didn't see anything resembling a public phone. Maybe maybe

829
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: there was. Or you know, if you an eighteen year

830
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 1: old kid stumbles into a bar and says, I crashed

831
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: my car in a ditch three miles back, I walked here.

832
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: My phone is dead. Can I use your phone to

833
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: call my parents? You're probably going to say yeah, for sure,

834
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: but but but I mean, it was like four in

835
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: the morning at least by the time you got to Porters,

836
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: So I doubt that. I doubt that there was any

837
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: bar open. Yeah, but at the same time, there is

838
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: a cafe porter um, and I'm assuming the cafe would

839
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: have opened it. Well, do you think six seven the

840
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: morning something like that? Sometimes? Yeah, in Farmland, usually like

841
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: four or five usually, yeah, So you could have just

842
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: hung out and just waited for them to open up

843
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 1: a cup of coffee and use your phone. I mean,

844
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: I just don't know, and of course, I'm making a

845
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: lot of assumptions here, but we don't know between the

846
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: time that he got onto one sixtieth and whatever else happened.

847
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: We have no idea. It could have been that a

848
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: serial killer just showed up in a pickup truck on

849
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 1: one sixtieth right there. Yeah, and that it could have been.

850
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: But I know this is why I totally don't believe

851
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: he fell into a sister in a well. And that

852
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 1: is we know he got two hundred sixtieth. We don't

853
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: now we do. The dogs says we're reasonably sure. Well, okay,

854
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: we'll say that we're reasonably sure. Okay, I rust those

855
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: dogs a lot. But I when it comes to this

856
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: and we have no trail other than what the dogs

857
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: find and it comes for not, that's when I stopped

858
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: relying on it so strongly, because then widen that he

859
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: could have gone. I gotta say, I am taking the

860
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,919
Speaker 1: word one dog for all this, and so that dog,

861
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: that dog could be a liar. I have that dog

862
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,439
Speaker 1: making a fool. It was the dog the dog didn't Yeah, yeah,

863
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: but here's serial bloodhound. But here's the reason I'm sure

864
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: he didn't fall into the river. I don't think he

865
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: had any reason to go near the river, that area

866
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: where they where they tracked him, where the dog tracked

867
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: him all the way to one sixtieth Well, obviously that

868
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: was intensively searched. That there were wells or cisterns or

869
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,760
Speaker 1: anything else in that field, then they would have found

870
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: his body in there. This is why I have such

871
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: problem with the dog trail, is that based on it,

872
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: they have scoured that area. I mean, he couldn't he

873
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: couldn't be laying dead in a field because nothing was

874
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: growing at that time. They had planted, but it wasn't

875
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: as if the grass was three feet high, so you

876
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: would see the body. Well, I guess I just don't

877
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 1: know why. You know, we keep saying, well the road

878
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: was grated, and he walked up the road, Like why

879
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: is it not that somebody was driving down the road

880
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: and said, hey, I saw you crash, let me give

881
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,479
Speaker 1: you a right into town. And then and then turned

882
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: out to be not a nice person killer. Feel like

883
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: it's such an easy is that is? Yeah, I strongly

884
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: believe that this was a case of foul play. And

885
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: then I took him in a completely different direction. Yeah,

886
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: I don't, Yeah, I don't see fairness, he had no

887
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: idea where he was anyways, right, Yeah, he could have

888
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: maybe been giving them directions and they were just like

889
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,479
Speaker 1: they could have said, oh no, that's actually this town

890
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: and you want to go to that town, Let's go

891
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: this way, and then just taking him for the last

892
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: ride of his life. I think. So yeah, I don't

893
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: see any other explanation for it, really, I mean, he

894
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: made it. There's no reason to believe that he didn't

895
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: make it to a hundred and sixtieth and from there

896
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: there's no reason for him to leave the road. He

897
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: would have stayed on the road all with Highway sixty

898
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 1: eight and then Highway sixty eight Porter so um. Yeah.

899
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: And you know, as as Steve was talking about, you know,

900
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 1: the brain of a nineteen year old who's you know,

901
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: probably actually just coming off of I don't know. I'm

902
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,399
Speaker 1: sure you guys remember, you know, there's those times where

903
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: you get like a little drunk or tipsy, and then

904
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: you're awake for so long that you start to get

905
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: hungover and you get real grumpy. Yeah, and I'm sure

906
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: he was at that point by then, and he'd been

907
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:04,720
Speaker 1: lost for a really long time, and he'd been walking,

908
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,959
Speaker 1: and he was tired and he was just like mad

909
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: because his parents said, he's just frustrated and he thinks

910
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,439
Speaker 1: he's invincible. And a car, you know, he just puts

911
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: the thumb out cars going by. Yeah, he drives around

912
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere, in the middle of the night

913
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: kill Yeah. Yeah, So it's entirely possible. In fact, I

914
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 1: think it's probable. Doesn't have to be serial killer though,

915
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: just somebody with bad intentions. It could be. But you know,

916
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 1: and that's that might be the solution of this case,

917
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: is that one of these days, who knows, somebody might

918
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: nab a serial killer who operates in the in the

919
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: Minnesota area, and then he might actually fest up to

920
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:46,720
Speaker 1: the whole thing. I mean, who knows or she? Good point? Well, okay,

921
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 1: you guys have any more theories? No, Yeah, I think

922
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 1: I think we pretty much soeld this one, except for

923
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: who actually did it. I don't know that we'll ever

924
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: know who, but we might know what happened to him,

925
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: which is kind of a bummer. Yeah, but I do

926
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: think that you guys can stop scouring the countryside, but

927
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: all means identify that corps it's in mud Creek. But

928
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 1: other than that, find out where that's at. Yeah, find

929
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 1: that out. I don't think it's Brandon really. Um anyway, Uh,

930
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 1: since we're at the end of the episode, it's time

931
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: for just a little it's time for some admin stuff.

932
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: Our website, if you don't know it already, it's Thinking

933
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: Sideways podcast dot com. And we're also on iTunes, of course,

934
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: and so if you find us and iTunes, of course subscribe,

935
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: u leave a review and and reading and obviously the better,

936
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: the better the rating, the better we like you. So yeah, yeah,

937
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: yeah we can. You can scale. Oh yeah, you can

938
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: also stream us. You know, there's Stitcher and Google Play

939
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: and god knows what else. There's tons of that stuff

940
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: out there. We're on Facebook, We've got a group in

941
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: a page, so joined the group. And uh, we're on

942
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: Twitter where we are thinking the Sideways without the G

943
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 1: and there is a subreddit thinking Sideways, So good out there,

944
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: and you know, post all sorts of stuff, preferably not

945
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: nasty stuff. Uh. And of course you can email us,

946
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: and we like to get emails. If no, not nasty emails,

947
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: but if you have suggestions or thoughts, you know, but

948
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: if you say nasty, I mean sending us weird nasty stuff.

949
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: We've got all kinds of constructive if I think criticism

950
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: for people and that's and that's that's good, that's not

951
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: a problem. Just don't be a jerk and term for

952
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: some of the stuff. Well some of it's not so yeah,

953
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 1: most most of it's good though. Um. And some people

954
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: have called in and just sort of like imperiously reminded

955
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: us that hey, you mispronounced this especially and most of

956
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: those emails come not surprisingly from Britain, but anyway, our

957
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: email is Thinking Sideways podcast at gmail dot com. And

958
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: last of all, of course, if you want to support us,

959
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: and obviously you do, there is Patreon, uh patreon dot

960
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 1: com slash Thinking Sideways. You can pledge a certain amount

961
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 1: of money a fifty cents a buck, whatever, but just

962
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 1: be aware it's per episode, so um, you're gonna get

963
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: dinged for whatever you pledge every time we run an episode,

964
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: so just keep that in mind. You can pledge as

965
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: much as you want. There's other ways, of course, to

966
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: support us. We have merch go to our website and

967
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 1: you can buy mugs and t shirts and all kinds

968
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: of cool stuff. We don't have guns, hope yet do

969
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 1: we never know? No guns yet okay, uh yeah, I

970
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: thinking sideways, Gune, I kind of like that not happening. Yeah, yeah.

971
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: What else is PayPal? You can also for a one

972
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 1: time donation, you have do the whole PayPal thing. Uh.

973
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: It's totally optional, of course, but if you feel like it.

974
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: And thank you for everyone who has donated and those

975
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: who are doing the continuing donations. We did greatly appreciate it. Yes,

976
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: it is totally anyway, that's about it for this week.

977
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that Brandon one of these days so there'll

978
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: be a little resolution of this. I think it's entirely

979
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: possible there will be. It's entirely possible they never will be.

980
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: I don't know anyway, So until next week, to lou everybody.

981
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: By guys Eye