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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Mink

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Speaker 1: here with Garrett Downing, and we are going to share

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Speaker 1: the takeaways from a pre combined conference call that we

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Speaker 1: were on with NFL Networks Daniel Jeremiah, which he kind

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Speaker 1: of set the stage for the big event in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: And as always, Garrett, the combine means reservations at Saint

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Speaker 2: Who knows so, so you have a reservation, lockdown.

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Speaker 3: Reservation, locked a load and we always get that you

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Speaker 3: know well in advance. And then of course make sure

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Speaker 3: what the limit is the spending.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jim Kohler, if you're listening, give Garrett, you know what.

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Speaker 1: He's had a good year this year. Let's give him

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Speaker 1: thirty bucks for dinner this year, lock and load, go.

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Speaker 2: Big, go bag.

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Speaker 3: I'll get one shrimp. Hey, can you guys actually I

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Speaker 3: know it typinitely colors like five shrimp, but I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: be able to do one. You get the burger, the

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Speaker 3: steak counsel, you have, no Jim's got my back longtime

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Speaker 3: listeners of the Lounge from No. One of my favorite

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Speaker 3: episodes so we've ever done is when we had our

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Speaker 3: head of finance, Jim Cole, will come back and look

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Speaker 3: through my expense report from the comp parry. This is

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Speaker 3: the early days of the podcast, and Jim is as

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Speaker 3: a great listener to the Lounge. So that was a

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Speaker 3: fun episode. So we'll have to do that again.

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Speaker 2: You better mind your piece of use.

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Speaker 3: I'll make sure that everything is above board in this

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Speaker 3: expense for ill well, I'll if Jim can't do it,

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Speaker 3: I'll reveal to it for him.

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Speaker 2: I'll reveal for so Garrett.

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Speaker 1: We heard from Daniel Jeremiah who gosh, credit to Daniel,

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Speaker 1: by the way, a friend of the Lounge goes for

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Speaker 1: like two hours. Uh, it's it's impressive, and a number

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Speaker 1: of takeaways that pertain to the Ravens. And I thought,

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Speaker 1: first of all, the first thing that caught my attention

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Speaker 1: was just his kind of opening monologue, which was this

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Speaker 1: is quote a starter's draft, is what he called it.

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Speaker 1: So not as many superstars at the top, you know,

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Speaker 1: as he's typically seen, but he sees a really deep

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Speaker 1: of really good players who are gonna turn into starters.

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Speaker 1: And you know, obviously for the Ravens they're picking twenty seventh.

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Speaker 1: I think oftentimes you're not getting the top, top, top

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Speaker 1: end superstars that everybody talks about, the top ten guys, right,

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Speaker 1: that's not really the world the Ravens playing. That's not

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Speaker 1: their sandbox. So okay, but this team, you know, they

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Speaker 1: don't have a ton of holes to fill immediately where

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Speaker 1: you need like immediate starters. But as you look forward

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Speaker 1: and project things out, you know it's it's only gonna

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Speaker 1: get more expensive.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna want to keep. There's more good young.

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Speaker 1: Players that they're gonna want to give big contracts too,

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Speaker 1: like a Kyle Hamilton, like a Tylen Mom, like perhaps

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Speaker 1: dafe Away and stuff like that. Right, Like Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 1: the salary cap even if they do work with his contract,

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Speaker 1: and you're gonna need to fill in starters, right, You're

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Speaker 1: gonna need to continue to find this pipeline of starters.

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Speaker 1: And I think with the even sitting here with eleven

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when I heard him say that, I kind of

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Speaker 3: Ravens need in this draft. They have superstars. They have

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Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson, they have Derrick Henry, they have Kyle Hamilton

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Speaker 3: on the defensive side. They have not the Matabik who

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Speaker 3: players ro quantsmit like, I could keep going here, but so.

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Speaker 2: The Ravens have the most Pro bowlers in the league.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, have stars, and they've been a really good team

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Speaker 3: for the last several years. So the star of course,

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Speaker 3: you could. You always want as many stars as possible,

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Speaker 3: but the Ravens are in pretty well suited in that category.

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Speaker 3: And finding a draft where you can have some plug

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Speaker 3: now that's what that's what it's on. Eric Tacosta and

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Speaker 3: I think that the Ravens they plan year every year

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Speaker 3: large number of draft picks. When you lose players in

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Speaker 3: free agency, like, all of that counts for the planning

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Speaker 3: when you're looking at this draft, and you account for

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Speaker 3: that when you decide how good you think this class

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Speaker 3: And so I think that the Ravens are well positioned

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Speaker 3: get some players who come in and make impacts, probably

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Speaker 3: not like off the charts year one Pro bowlers, but

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Speaker 3: like guys who could come in and are really productive

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Speaker 3: course of their career, are just really quality players.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally agree with that.

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Speaker 1: And there are some spots where, hey, you know, you

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Speaker 1: mean Nate Wiggins and Roger Rosengarten this past season where

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Speaker 1: Nate Wiggins over the course of the year saw more

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Speaker 1: so can you You know, if you hit two rookie

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Speaker 1: pretty darn good. Can the Ravens get even more than

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Speaker 1: Right? I think it's possible the Ravens could be looking

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Speaker 1: at You could be looking at a plug and play

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Speaker 1: and say, all right, you might be looking for an impact,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you look at the positions that are open, potentially

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Speaker 3: the less side of the offensive line with minus Stanley

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Speaker 3: the Ravens are going to have the two starters of

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Speaker 3: Marlin Humphrey and Nate Wiggins. But that third cornerback spot

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Speaker 3: is really important. It's also connected to the safety conversation

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Speaker 1: If you if you draft a plug and play safety,

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Speaker 3: Yes, and then defensive line, you're you could have a

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Speaker 3: other spot. I think that like from an immediate starter standpoint,

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Speaker 3: So it's not like you need an immediate starter there.

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Speaker 2: But but if you get a fair amount, yeah, And

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Speaker 3: Or not there's an immediate needed starter, I don't think

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Speaker 3: think that those are the spots that we just went

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Speaker 1: So you know, with eleven draft picks, the Ravens certainly

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Speaker 1: more likely to move down and get more picks. But

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Speaker 1: when you have eleven, right, there's more of a possibility there.

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Speaker 1: And so one of the earlier questions was about, you know,

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Speaker 1: these these pass rushers who would they move up to get?

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Speaker 1: And Daniel Jeremiah said, you know, I think that they

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Speaker 1: he sees it being for an offensive tackle again, obviously

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Speaker 1: And one name that he pointed to was Josh Simmons

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting, he did not seem to think that

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Speaker 3: did last year and find a starting offensive tackle Roger

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Speaker 3: less confidence that you'd be able to find a plug

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Speaker 1: Quite as strong of an offensive tackle class and deep

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Speaker 3: And basically his point is if they feel like they

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Speaker 1: So the two offensive tackles kind of projecting that spot

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Speaker 1: In addition to Josh Simmons, who we mentioned is Josh

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Speaker 1: Tackle and so you know Josh Simmons has suffered a

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Speaker 2: Hi sak guy.

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Speaker 1: You know, well, I'm sure who's people just rave about

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Speaker 1: his athleticism. He has good size, six foot five, over

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Speaker 1: six foot five, three hundred and ten pounds, just an

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Speaker 2: And really, you know.

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Speaker 1: His stock this season, this past season playing for the

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Speaker 1: National champions skyrocketed until that knee injury, and you know,

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Speaker 1: of course that's going to add more questions and could

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Speaker 1: to trade up to get a guy who, had he

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Speaker 1: so I don't know, what do you what's your scouting

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Speaker 3: Think a lot of it's gonna be the medical on

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Speaker 1: And could be their left tackle of the future, you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it just it was just interesting to me and

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Speaker 3: We're going back aways now. But when you laid it

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Speaker 3: That's where I am right now. I know they have

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Speaker 1: But I do think that if they don't resign Ronnie Stanley,

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Speaker 3: An interesting yesterday a report came out from Dan Graziano

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Speaker 3: My question is how that new projected salary cap for

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Speaker 1: Well, let's just start by saying a lot of people,

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Speaker 1: working off of projections that were already a higher salary

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Speaker 1: the Ravens will have about six million dollars of salary

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Speaker 1: not like the Ravens just got twenty million dollars more.

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Speaker 1: it's not this massive, massive difference that like it sounds like,

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Speaker 2: Like it's a it's a good bump.

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Speaker 1: It's good news for the Ravens, who are one of

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Speaker 1: it's not like, oh my gosh, now you know we

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not a I think it gives them more flexibility.

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Speaker 3: Sure to go get Ronnie. I I'm not closing the

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Speaker 3: I think that he's he's gonna get paid like he

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Speaker 3: he's one of the top players on the market in

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Speaker 3: Now he's spent his entire career here. I think that

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Speaker 3: give him another one. Like if another team comes and

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Speaker 3: they proved last year that they can remake this offensive

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I think it helps. It certainly gives them. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: There's maneuvering that can be done. You know, you probably have.

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Speaker 1: To with more salary cap space, you may do fewer

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Speaker 3: And the last thing I'll say out the salary cap is,

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Speaker 3: could basically say you're talking to both. Okay, Stanley's gonna

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I kind of look at all, right,

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Speaker 1: some of the top salary cap space teams of the Patriots,

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Speaker 1: those teams seem to make sense's potential landing spots. As

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you, I think. I mean the potentials there,

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Speaker 3: The Ravens have kind of a history of taking middle

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Speaker 3: of a red shirt year for him as he dealt

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Speaker 3: with injuries early in the process. But I think the

441
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Speaker 3: Ravens still have optimism that he could end up being

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Speaker 3: a pretty good player. So as much as it's I

443
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Speaker 3: guess they've also gone first round at that position too.

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Speaker 3: Of course, Ada fe Elway was a first round pick

445
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Speaker 3: way back. Charles Suggers were going way back now. But

446
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Speaker 3: I think they're going to draft a pass rusher. Of course,

447
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Speaker 3: I think it's likely that that happens in the first

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Speaker 3: three rounds, and based on recent history, I just wonder

449
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Speaker 3: hearing Jeremiah say you could wait until day two and

450
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Speaker 3: still get a pretty good pass rusher. That to me

451
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Speaker 3: says like he's like, you can't really wait at tackle,

452
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Speaker 3: you can wait at pass rusher. The Ravens have a

453
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Speaker 3: history of kind of waiting a pass rusher. That makes

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Speaker 3: me think day two pass rushers. I'm filling out my

455
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Speaker 3: seven round mockery.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about doubling up at pass rusher. Tyas Bowser

457
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Speaker 1: and Tim Williams both in the same year, second and

458
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Speaker 1: third round, exactly second third round. Chris Firmley was picked

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Speaker 1: between them earlier in the third round. By the way,

460
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Speaker 1: a defensive end. Jalen Ferguson was another you know, in

461
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Speaker 1: Eric Ticassa's first draft class.

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Speaker 2: That was the second pick.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so you know, yeah, there's definitely a history Kamalakekrea, RONZIFUSI,

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Speaker 1: you know, there's definitely history there. Yeah, and so yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that a day two pass rusher makes a

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Speaker 1: whole lot of sense.

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Speaker 2: And of course that depends again on Ronnie Stanley.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of the biggest puzzle piece when you're assessing

469
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Speaker 1: the Ravens needs.

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Speaker 2: You know, in free agency.

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Speaker 1: After free agency, if the Ravens, if Ronnie Stanley signs elsewhere,

472
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Speaker 1: offensive tackle goes bumps up, that becomes a certainly more

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Speaker 1: urgent need. Now, I think the Ravens could supplement that position,

474
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Speaker 1: as we've talked about, you know, maybe even bringing back

475
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Speaker 1: somebody that could play offense cycle if that's not Patrick mcarey,

476
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Speaker 1: you know, is it Josh Jones exactly, And so that

477
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Speaker 1: they have some more depth they are going into the

478
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Speaker 1: drafts where it's not as.

479
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Speaker 2: Glaring of a need.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I think that on the surface, it makes

481
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Speaker 1: a lot of sense to wait, be patient, pass.

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Speaker 2: Rusher and go with that on day two.

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Speaker 3: Well, with all that said, right now he has the

484
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Speaker 3: Ravens taking Shamar Stewart out of Texas.

485
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Speaker 1: Who's a very physical like just powerful physical, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean Daniel Jeremiah wrote that he just he looks

487
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Speaker 1: like a Raven you know, and and there's a good reason,

488
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Speaker 1: just kind of flipping on some of his highlights. Yeah,

489
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Speaker 1: good edge setter, gets after it. I like the way

490
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Speaker 1: he plays the game, and good bursts as a pass

491
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Speaker 1: rusher too. The questions about him are going to be

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Speaker 1: where was the production? He had four and a half

493
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Speaker 1: sacks in three college seasons, and when I look at

494
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Speaker 1: the highlights, I see some of the you know, a

495
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Speaker 1: lot of pressures but not quite finishing the job, which

496
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Speaker 1: you know is reminiscent of a da f A Oway

497
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Speaker 1: coming out of Penn State, a guy who didn't have

498
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Speaker 1: any sacks his final season before the Ravens draft in

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Speaker 1: the first round.

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Speaker 2: So the Ravens have shown, you know, you'd.

501
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Speaker 1: Like to see college production, of course, but they're not

502
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Speaker 1: going to be scared off by somebody who didn't necessarily

503
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Speaker 1: have as much as you would typically look for.

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Speaker 3: I remember the year that the Ravens draft drafted Oway

505
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Speaker 3: talking with Jeremaiah on the podcast Combined he had him

506
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Speaker 3: on there. He had he had oh way to the Ravens.

507
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Speaker 3: In his mock draft some of the early ones, and

508
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Speaker 3: I remember us basically saying to him like, the Ravens

509
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Speaker 3: are a production teamase go production, production, production, productions. Especially

510
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Speaker 3: at that position, it felt like, no way, I can't

511
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Speaker 3: see this.

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Speaker 2: There's Judon who toreed up at Grand Valley State.

513
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Speaker 3: Right, Judon was that way. Songs was that way. Jalen

514
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Speaker 3: Ferguson was that way, big time production at the college level.

515
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Speaker 3: And I was like, there's no way. And then, of

516
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 3: course the Ravens ended up drafting away And the point

517
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Speaker 3: I remember kind of having a playful debate with him

518
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Speaker 3: on the podcast a few years ago, and and then

519
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Speaker 3: saw him out here at training camp. But was like,

520
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Speaker 3: you called it, man, you called it, and he he

521
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Speaker 3: has a feel for the types of players that the

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Speaker 3: Ravens life.

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Speaker 2: I think well.

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Speaker 1: And it's also it's Eric Costa and Ozzie Newsom, right,

525
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Speaker 1: you have a different guy making the picks now. Of

526
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Speaker 1: course Eric Coasta learned a lot from Ozzy Newsmen to

527
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Speaker 1: cut his teeth. But like, I do think that the

528
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Speaker 1: Ravens have trends it a little bit, especially with some

529
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Speaker 1: of their earlier picks to more traitzy players. You know,

530
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Speaker 1: even you look back obviously last year's draft, Nate Wiggins,

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Speaker 1: I mean checked every single box in terms of athleticism.

532
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Speaker 1: It's special rare athlete. You know, you talk about Zay Flowers,

533
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Speaker 1: very athletic dude. You talk about toolsy guys. The Ravens

534
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Speaker 1: have gone that way in in particular at past rusher.

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Speaker 1: I mean David Ajabo, he was productive before his injury

536
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Speaker 1: in college. But you talk about just let us he

537
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Speaker 1: was a raw ish player because he was new to football.

538
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Speaker 1: But he has all the tools, all the trades, the

539
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Speaker 1: dafe as we're talking about, right, So it wouldn't surprise

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Speaker 1: me if the Ravens said, this guy has elite tools

541
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Speaker 1: that we can work with. Give him the Chuck Smith.

542
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Speaker 1: Let Chuck coach him up, and this guy could be

543
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Speaker 1: a huge hit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the way pick and always worked out,

545
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Speaker 3: and the Ravens obviously gave him the fifth year option.

546
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Speaker 3: He had double digit sacks last year. He's gotten better

547
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Speaker 3: every single season and so the Ravens really like him.

548
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Speaker 3: And when you're drafting at the end of the first round,

549
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Speaker 3: which is.

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Speaker 2: Something, yeah, you're gonna have to sacrifice him exactly.

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Speaker 3: Like there's not a lot of guys guys who are

552
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Speaker 3: off the charts physically. Miles Garrett was the number one

553
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Speaker 3: overall pick for a reason. Off the charts physically takes

554
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Speaker 3: to A and m Yeah, off the charts from a

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Speaker 3: production standpoint, like those guys go in the top five,

556
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Speaker 3: in the top ten. So when you're drafting twenty seven

557
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Speaker 3: to twenty eight thirty, like where the Ravens typically draft,

558
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to sacrifice on something in that conversation.

559
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 3: And it could be production, but if you feel like

560
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 3: maybe the system didn't allow for them to be as productive,

561
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Speaker 3: or get him in our defense and that will our

562
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Speaker 3: coaches will help him become more productive. All of that

563
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Speaker 3: is part of the calculation. And I think the way

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Speaker 3: pick and seeing the way that he's developed has kind

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Speaker 3: of changed my perspective on that. I'm not I don't

566
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Speaker 3: look at it the way I did like five years ago,

567
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Speaker 3: where it's you gotta find the guy that's got twenty

568
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Speaker 3: sacks last year in college and that's what the Ravens

569
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Speaker 3: are gonna take.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I completely agree.

571
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Speaker 1: And James Pierce Junior is another pass thrusher that could

572
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Speaker 1: go anywhere in the first round. Daniel Chermi said he

573
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Speaker 1: could see him go top fifteen. He could even see

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Speaker 1: him fall into the second round. There's just a wide

575
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Speaker 1: range of opinions on the Tennessee pass rusher. In parts,

576
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Speaker 1: he's a skinnier guy, you know, another freak, just great burst, explosiveness,

577
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Speaker 1: all those things you want to see, but just might

578
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Speaker 1: not be every team's cup of team. So he's another

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Speaker 1: player to keep an eye on.

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Speaker 3: All right. So with that said, we'll take a quick

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Speaker 3: break and then when we come back, we'll tell you

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Speaker 3: the player who Jereed Wyah pointed out as if he's

583
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Speaker 3: available in the first round, the Ravens should run the

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Speaker 3: card in and go ahead and make him their pick.

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Speaker 3: We'll get into all that when we come back. You're

586
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Speaker 3: listening to the Lounge podcast. We are coming to you

587
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Speaker 3: from the Sea Geek Studio. We also want to mention

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Speaker 3: our partners with Draft Kings sports Book. They are an

589
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590
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Speaker 3: Sportsbook with the Crown is yours. So a position that

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Speaker 3: the Ravens are going to add this offseason, whether it's

592
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Speaker 3: through free agency of the draft of safety. Here Tacosta

593
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Speaker 3: talked to the season's review press conference about the desire

594
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Speaker 3: to add to that spot, give them flexibility to allow

595
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Speaker 3: Kyle Hamilton to play in these different different ways. And

596
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Speaker 3: if the Ravens end up drafting a safety, Da Costa

597
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 3: has shown a willingness to take a first round of safety.

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Speaker 3: He did it with Hamilton, and so he'll invest at

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Speaker 3: that spot. Also in free agency, to Williams, got a

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Speaker 3: big deal. They invest, they invest the picks, and they

601
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Speaker 3: invest in money. And so the player that Jeremiah pointed

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Speaker 3: to South Carolina's Nick em and Warri, who could be

603
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Speaker 3: a if he's there. Jeremiah has him as the twenty

604
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Speaker 3: first player on his big board and he said that

605
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Speaker 3: if he's there, then that could be a guy you

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Speaker 3: just run the pick in.

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Speaker 1: Right, But Jeremiah doesn't have him being taken in the

608
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Speaker 1: first round its current Monck draft, correct, So how many

609
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Speaker 1: teams are picking first round safeties. That's typically a position

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Speaker 1: that slides, you know, or Ken's part.

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Speaker 3: Of the reason that Kyle Hamilton fell to the Ravens

612
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Speaker 3: exactly team.

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Speaker 2: And but you can get a really good player.

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Speaker 1: And and you know, Jeremiah said that that Nick is

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Speaker 1: say the last name again for me, Nick, even Worri,

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Speaker 1: thank you Emon worry, you know, just a really really

617
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Speaker 1: aggressive player. Uh can makes a lot of plays, buzzing

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Speaker 1: underneath the ball. Can, really short tackler, big fast, you know,

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Speaker 1: checks checks all the boxes.

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Speaker 3: Six with three two hundred and twenty pounds. So he's

621
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Speaker 3: kind of in the mold of Kyle.

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Speaker 2: Quite as tall as Kyle, but not quite as tall.

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Speaker 3: But Kyle's a tall as safety in the league, so

624
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Speaker 3: like nobody's as tall as same at that position safety,

625
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Speaker 3: and so he's a big safety. And now he also

626
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 3: has ball production. He had six interceptions the last two seasons,

627
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Speaker 3: two of them for pick sixes. Was an All American

628
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 3: last year. So big and productive. The reason he would

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Speaker 3: like you talk about your sacrificing on something at the

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Speaker 3: end of the first round. He's a safety, and safety

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Speaker 3: generally speaking, aren't top ten, top twenty a lot of

632
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Speaker 3: times picks and so those guys often slide down just

633
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 3: from a positional value standpoint. But as we already mentioned,

634
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Speaker 3: the Ravens value safety play and they want to add

635
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Speaker 3: a safety. So if he's there, that could be a

636
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 3: really interesting player.

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Speaker 2: I just wonder, do you want to Kyle Heilton's That's.

638
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Speaker 3: What I wonder. That's my thing that was my thing

639
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 3: last year.

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Speaker 1: Wee Kyle Helton's great to Kyle Heltons mean too.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's premature. I'm joking.

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00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: It's premature to put nick emunwirre and say he's Kyle Hilton.

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Speaker 1: But like we're talking about a player that maybe is

644
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Speaker 1: in a similar mold, and with how dynamic the Ravens

645
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Speaker 1: defense is and versatile.

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Speaker 2: I don't rule it out, to be honest.

647
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Speaker 3: We had this conversation It's not the exact same player,

648
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Speaker 3: but similar conversation last year as it related to Cooper

649
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Speaker 3: de Gene who was coming out of Iowa, and is

650
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Speaker 3: he a safety? Is he a corners and inside corner?

651
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 3: Is he an outside corner? Like what is his position?

652
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Speaker 3: And my feeling like at the time was it didn't

653
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Speaker 3: really make sense because the Ravens already had Hamilton who

654
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Speaker 3: can move all over the place, and they had Marlin

655
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Speaker 3: who could play inside and outside. But man, Cooper degen

656
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Speaker 3: is looking like a pretty good pick by the Eagles,

657
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Speaker 3: Like he's been a really good player.

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Speaker 2: And theyund a spot for him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like he I think a lot of teams are like, man,

660
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Speaker 3: we could use that guy. And so I wonder if

661
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Speaker 3: that and like seeing the way how productive Kyle has been,

662
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Speaker 3: Like you have these positions players end up being really good.

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Speaker 3: Maybe that the trend ends up becoming just go get

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Speaker 3: as many positionless players as we can.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean they took Nate Wiggins, the Ravens

666
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Speaker 1: took Nate Wiggins in the first round last year, who

667
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: was really your outside boundary cover corner, right, So there

668
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: still is. And because Marlon can play, you know, both

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Speaker 1: inside and outside, because Kyle can play deep safety and

670
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Speaker 1: diame linebacker and everything else and nickel and all those things, Like,

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Speaker 1: is there a spot for another player, versatile kind of

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Speaker 1: player like that. Yeah, I think there is, in part

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Speaker 1: because he took Nate Wiggins, who was that outside guy

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Speaker 1: last year.

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Speaker 2: And so I think that that pick could make a

676
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Speaker 2: lot of sense.

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Speaker 1: The question is there's two potential first round safeties. The

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Speaker 1: other is Malachi Starks from Georgia, who Daniel Jeremiah said

679
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Speaker 1: is a little bit more of that deep coverage safety.

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Speaker 1: But in this same breath also said, you know, he

681
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: didn't make as many plays, he didn't make as many

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Speaker 1: splash plays as really he'd like to see him make.

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Speaker 1: That was Daniel jeremih criticism. He sees him as a

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Speaker 1: back half of the first round player, and so, you know,

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Speaker 1: on the surface, it seems like Starks is kind of

686
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Speaker 1: a better fit for what the Ravens need. But which

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Speaker 1: which one of those players would the Ravens prefer? Which

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Speaker 1: I don't know who they who they would rank above

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Speaker 1: the other?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Cool?

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Speaker 2: I like Starks too.

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Speaker 3: It kind of goes back to the question of like,

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Speaker 3: do you want positionless players or do you want somebody

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Speaker 3: who's clear?

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Speaker 2: And Stark says versatility too.

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Speaker 1: He can play, you know, they say he can be

698
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: a back end safety, he can be a nickel guy.

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Speaker 1: I think both of them off of versatility. To me,

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Speaker 1: that's a case of just like what's your flavor? Who

701
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: do you like more? Yeah, both makes sense for the Ravens.

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Speaker 3: The way I see it is like I would be

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Speaker 3: surprised if the Ravens took a first round safety unless

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Speaker 3: they felt like, man, this guy could come and be

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Speaker 3: like he has Kyle Hamilton like potential. Of course, as

706
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 3: you said, it's tough to put anybody into that category.

707
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Speaker 3: He's one of the best defensive players in the game.

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Speaker 3: But so that's like a high bar to set. But

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Speaker 3: I feel like the Ravens would have to look at

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Speaker 3: Emon Worri or Starks and say, like, this guy could

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Speaker 3: come in and be an absolute game changer for our

712
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Speaker 3: defense and have that type of potential. That's the type

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Speaker 3: of player I think, if it's going to be a safety,

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Speaker 3: that the Ravens would really need to have that feeling

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Speaker 3: about the player in order to take him in the

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Speaker 3: first round because they already have Hamilton. They already have

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Speaker 3: that player. Now I know they want to add to

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Speaker 3: that equation, but they do already have one of the

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Speaker 3: best players in the league at that spot. So that's

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Speaker 3: the way I kind of see it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's merit to that, and.

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Speaker 3: That goes back to the debate that we had on

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Speaker 3: a recent podcasts ranking the needs and how big of

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Speaker 3: a need of safety and all that so.

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Speaker 1: Well, and Daniel Jeremiah also said he has a lot

726
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Speaker 1: of Day two cornerbacks. You know, that's of course another

727
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: position to the Ravens. I don't think that the first

728
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Speaker 1: round corner that you're gonna see like the run that

729
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Speaker 1: we saw at the end of the first round and

730
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Speaker 1: even early second where Cooper Rejen went like this run

731
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Speaker 1: of cornerbacks that you saw last year. It just doesn't

732
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: seem like there's that isn't that top heavy in that position,

733
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Speaker 1: but he says there's a lot of Daniel Jeremiah said,

734
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of depth at corner.

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Speaker 2: Second third round.

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Speaker 1: You kept going, yeah twice back to Trey Amos, a

737
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Speaker 1: cornerback out of Ole miss as one of his favorites,

738
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Speaker 1: and mentioned him as a potential you know, looks like

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Speaker 1: what the Ravens would like day two though, day two pick,

740
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Speaker 1: and the same as safety. A lot of second third

741
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Speaker 1: round safety options. All right, so here's that we're looking.

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Speaker 4: We're looking crystallizing, we're looking tackle, pass, rusher, corner, safety.

743
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Speaker 4: Those are the top four picks there, top four, and

744
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Speaker 4: you got three picks on the first two days.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought that. I thought you were just naming

746
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 3: the order.

747
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 2: Because I'm not naming the order.

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Speaker 1: I was saying those the four positions that I would

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Speaker 1: probably say most likely would be like, those are the

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Speaker 1: of course it won't work out this way, by the

751
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: ways'll be.

752
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 2: Slipped in there, it won't work out this way. But

753
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like, you know, in what order would

754
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 2: you put that?

755
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 3: Based on everything I heard from Jeremiah today makes you think.

756
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 1: Tackle tackle, safety, slash, corner, and pass rusher.

757
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 2: Yes, that's the way I tackle defensive back, pass rusher.

758
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 3: Correct, that's the way I.

759
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: And so how it's going to actually play out is

760
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: going to be D line tight end, that.

761
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 3: Tight end running back. Yeah, nothing like we expected. Yeah,

762
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Speaker 3: but that's the way, like when I come out of

763
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Speaker 3: that conference call, That's what I the way that I'm

764
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Speaker 3: feeling right now in mid February, before the combine, before

765
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Speaker 3: we even know how everything plays out. The other thing

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Speaker 3: to just quickly on defensive line, deep class, deep deep

767
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Speaker 3: deep class at defensive line, which I think is good

768
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Speaker 3: because I think the Ravens they're going to add on

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Speaker 3: the defensive line.

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Speaker 1: As I said, I think that's the most likely double

771
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: dipper probably, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And and so you could add defensive end, you could

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Speaker 3: add another tackle to the equation there. And the fact

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00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 3: that that's a good it's a good deep defensive line class,

775
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 3: I think bodes well for the Ravens. And we may

776
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 3: say this every year, but it does kind of sound

777
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Speaker 3: like the way that this draft has built big picture wise,

778
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 3: does seem to be like beneficial to the Ravens. You

779
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 3: want to add some depth defensive line pieces. Well, guess

780
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 3: what super.

781
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 2: Interior offensive line? He said.

782
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Speaker 1: It was another strength that could be a position where

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00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: the Ravens certainly take a shot too. You know, you

784
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: could take a tackle in an interior O lineman and

785
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: Mister's draft wouldn't surprise.

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Speaker 3: Me, right, you want you have a history of taking

787
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Speaker 3: mid round pass rushers. Well, this is a really good

788
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 3: pass rush class in that second third round potentially, right,

789
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Speaker 3: So I think that that all that is a good

790
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 3: thing for the Ravens.

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Speaker 2: Yep, I think that'ches up.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean, let's be honest, these past few

793
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: draft class I mean, the Ravens have a very rich

794
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: draft history going all the way back to ninety six.

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Speaker 1: But you know Eric Deicasa's hit, He's hit on a

796
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: number of starters in these recent years, and uh, that's

797
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: why it's so hard. The Ravens always have these guys

798
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: coming up for contracts extensions that you want to pay.

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Speaker 1: And so I think the Ravens, you know, you look

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Speaker 1: at their needs, you look at where they need to

801
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,280
Speaker 1: improve this team, and and how many starters that Daniel

802
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: Jeremiah season this class? Like, I think the Ravens have

803
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: a really good chance to get a lot better in

804
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Speaker 1: this year's draft.

805
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 3: Two two time Pro bowlers two years ago in Hamilton

806
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 3: and Lenderbaum. Yep, a Pro bowler and say Flowers, save Flowers.

807
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 3: I think that Nate Wings has Pro Bowl potential and

808
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 3: he's got lockdown corner potential and this is going to

809
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 3: be a really big year and.

810
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: A year one starter who could potentially take over at

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Speaker 1: left tackle in.

812
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Speaker 2: The round two. Yeah, with Roger Rosegarden. So pretty darn

813
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 2: good track record.

814
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been, it's been. It's been a hot streak

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Speaker 3: for sure, and uh, obviously the Ravens are hoping to

816
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 3: keep that rolling into this year. So, as always, we

817
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Speaker 3: Combines coming up next week. We are going to do

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Speaker 3: a full preview podcast of what to expect at the

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Speaker 3: Common mine, some players to watch as we talked about,

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Speaker 3: and we're also going to hear from Areya Costa and

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Speaker 3: John Harbaugh in Indianapolis next week, so stay tuned for

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