Speaker 1: I am all in.
Speaker 2: I am all in with Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I am all in podcast one
Speaker 1: of the productions I Heart Radio, uh Season six, episode five,
Speaker 1: We Got Magic to Do. I am joined by my
Speaker 1: Intrepid crew, and what a crew it is. Of crew
Speaker 1: of cruise. We just want a Crewey and I've got
Speaker 1: tar Suit, I've got Suzanne French. You know her, you
Speaker 1: love her, You're getting to really love Susanne French. Amy
Speaker 1: still recovering from that little We want a Crewey, we
Speaker 1: want a Crooey and Amy Sugarman. There she is, There,
Speaker 1: she is Suzanne. What's it like being already enshrined into
Speaker 1: the podcasting hall of fame? As it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, dare we say the fan? What's like to be
Speaker 3: the fan favorite? Even though Scott and I've been trying
Speaker 3: for years.
Speaker 4: It's it's really it's really stressful, actually, because I feel
Speaker 4: like I can't even make the smallest mistake. And I
Speaker 4: was listening to last week's episode and realized that I
Speaker 4: read something wrong in the synopsis. And I don't know
Speaker 4: if it was written wrong or my brain just substituted it,
Speaker 4: but I feel like a failure, so I that, yeah,
Speaker 4: it hasn't been so I have a couple of therapy
Speaker 4: sessions and I should be okay soon.
Speaker 3: It's that might have it easier because the bar is
Speaker 3: so low for us.
Speaker 5: And then I'm like right in the middle. O, no,
Speaker 5: I would, I would put you up there.
Speaker 3: And so I don't see a lot of critiques.
Speaker 5: I did get someone who says something nice and I
Speaker 5: only saw it because they tagged me.
Speaker 3: What did they say? What did they say?
Speaker 5: They said, I'll pull it up.
Speaker 3: Well a shout out, because I haven't getten a lot
Speaker 3: of people agreeing with me lately. So I'm feeling pretty
Speaker 3: good and I hope I don't blow it.
Speaker 6: They called me the queen, That's what it was.
Speaker 3: Queen, You're the queen though that's never happened for scotton me. Oh,
Speaker 3: I have some hot takes on this episode, so we'll
Speaker 3: see how it goes.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 1: I think it's time for a little plug here.
Speaker 3: Oh we love a plug.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why are you so dressed up?
Speaker 1: I'm not. It's a little chili in the in the
Speaker 1: unit here, and I just put on a shirt. I
Speaker 1: only brought one, So I.
Speaker 3: Wait, your shirt is super nice and your glasses are
Speaker 3: super cool.
Speaker 1: Are the is new? No, I've had these glasses for
Speaker 1: a couple of years.
Speaker 3: I feel like you don't wear them enough.
Speaker 6: Maybe a combo of the shirt and the glasses.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do I look like a literature professor?
Speaker 3: You look a little bit like a professor.
Speaker 4: You have elbow patches almost, they're good?
Speaker 3: No, looking good?
Speaker 1: Oh? I got my shirt on. I only brought the wine.
Speaker 1: I brought it one.
Speaker 3: I brought one from the set. Do they frown upon that?
Speaker 1: I don't like to. I sometimes pill for socks because
Speaker 1: they have such high quality socks.
Speaker 3: And people don't want to wear that. They're not going
Speaker 3: to re wear socks.
Speaker 1: It's great, especially not my socks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, little right right among us. No, I will
Speaker 3: admit I have he's had a bout with that because
Speaker 3: my brothers, like when we were on vacation, we'd have
Speaker 3: to take share a shower. Obviously not at the same time,
Speaker 3: but my brothers and I would always get athletes.
Speaker 1: But anyway, that's why I have shower shoes. It's tough
Speaker 1: shower shoes. Yeah, we all used to dress. When I
Speaker 1: was playing playing pro ball, you know, we all showered
Speaker 1: together and that's my big showers and everybody had shower shoes.
Speaker 3: Mice already had separations though it wasn't It was like
Speaker 3: a big shower, but like you couldn't they had walls.
Speaker 1: You know, I did forget my I did take a
Speaker 1: shower with Joe DiMaggio. It's just me and taking a
Speaker 1: shower that one spring training, and I forgot my shower shoes.
Speaker 1: So I almost got Joe Demaggio fungus. It might be
Speaker 1: t m I I didn't quite get it, didn't quite
Speaker 1: get I understand. Yeah, So is everybody watching Sullivan's Crossing?
Speaker 1: Are you breath watching each episode? What do you think?
Speaker 1: Tell me what you think.
Speaker 3: I don't want to have a spoiler, wow, because there
Speaker 3: was like a shocking thing with your character.
Speaker 1: What was that?
Speaker 3: Am I right? I don't want to ruin it.
Speaker 1: I think that's enough. That's good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's not a tease. I don't know
Speaker 3: what it is.
Speaker 1: There are ten cliffhangers. There's ten episodes, and there's ten
Speaker 1: ten cliffhangers at the end of each episode. So anyway,
Speaker 1: so CW Wednesday nights, eight pm, seventh Central, check it out. Anyway,
Speaker 1: who's synopsizing? Is it Suzanne Frank?
Speaker 3: She doesn't blow it again.
Speaker 4: I know, I gotta like get my act together here,
Speaker 4: So let me give this a try, all right. We
Speaker 4: have season six, episode five, We've Got Magic to do
Speaker 4: This aired on October eleventh, two thousand and five.
Speaker 3: The stove catches.
Speaker 4: Fire at the end, and laurel I has to call
Speaker 4: Richard to deal with the insurance money. Rory organizes a
Speaker 4: dar event, which goes remarkably well until the Huntsburgers arrive unannounced. Meanwhile,
Speaker 4: larel I attends a bizarre school recital and Luke feels
Speaker 4: slighted for not being invited.
Speaker 3: So much to discuss.
Speaker 4: This was a episode I was waiting for foremost and
Speaker 4: foremost the hunt, So I'm gonna just get decor out
Speaker 4: of the way.
Speaker 3: The Huntsburger's house, which we only briefly saw in the recap,
Speaker 3: is amazing, So the set or their house if you
Speaker 3: want to pretend it's real, or if you want to
Speaker 3: talk about TV set is phenomenal. And I must once
Speaker 3: again say the pool house decor, like the interior design,
Speaker 3: is epic. It's like very lot of fabrics, a lot
Speaker 3: of patterns, a lot of colors. But I am totally in.
Speaker 1: And it's it's like a Hampton's house. It's like a
Speaker 1: French country estate, and it's just so well done.
Speaker 3: It's beyond it's amazing. Whoever came in and actually did
Speaker 3: the design of that pool house and get me their number, seriously.
Speaker 3: And I will refer to it throughout this conversation as
Speaker 3: face acting, because there was a lot of face acting
Speaker 3: in this Yep, yeah, Richard, Emily Luke.
Speaker 6: You're right now that no, I mean I saw it
Speaker 6: face acting.
Speaker 3: Leanne Hunley, Missus Huntsberger. Face acting.
Speaker 1: It's called listening. All I have to do is listen
Speaker 1: and then your face will act it.
Speaker 3: Oh. I feel like.
Speaker 1: Your eyes will reflect it, your thoughts will will form
Speaker 1: the facial acting expressions. Face acting.
Speaker 3: Kelly Bishop with some intense face acting, But I digress.
Speaker 1: I tell you something. We've redefined the acting terms. You
Speaker 1: were going to come out of a come out with
Speaker 1: a book Great Face Acting with Amy.
Speaker 3: And Unbelievable Dancing by Richard and Emily, because I believe
Speaker 3: Kelly Bishop was like a professional ballerina, yes, a.
Speaker 1: Dancer, jazz dancer, the whole thing, yea.
Speaker 5: And that's why she was on butnheads.
Speaker 3: That's why she was on butnheads, which stay tuned. Amy
Speaker 3: and Tara will be discussing butnheads at some point, don't
Speaker 3: you worry? Uh? Okay, So we do the recap, which
Speaker 3: was particularly dramatic, and then we go into the Luke
Speaker 3: and Lorelei come into the diner with all the shopping
Speaker 3: bags and the craziest pink underwear I have ever seen
Speaker 3: in my entire life. It was Yeah, I hated that
Speaker 3: whole cold open.
Speaker 1: I hate you did tell us why let's get into it.
Speaker 4: I didn't like I mean we you guys have talked
Speaker 4: in the past about some things that some elements that
Speaker 4: don't age well over time, and this was one thing
Speaker 4: that comes up a lot is the fat shaming, and
Speaker 4: this was a classic example of it. It just was
Speaker 4: really bothersome.
Speaker 1: What was said specifically.
Speaker 4: Well, when they pull out the giant pair of pink
Speaker 4: panties and Laurlin makes some comment about.
Speaker 5: A size or something, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Something about I'd hate to be wrapped around the woman
Speaker 4: that fits these or something like a really obnoxious comment
Speaker 4: like that, which you know, it wasn't very nice then
Speaker 4: and it really isn't nice now. I don't know it
Speaker 4: just that they were doing it for humor value, I guess,
Speaker 4: but it wasn't funny to me.
Speaker 3: It wasn't good. It gets worse when Emily goes too.
Speaker 3: That was. That was rough, but we'll talk about that
Speaker 3: when we get to it. Aside from that, I thought
Speaker 3: the shopping sort of bit was funny, and I think
Speaker 3: a velcrow wallet has to go as well.
Speaker 4: Yes, you could see.
Speaker 3: Luke kind of like having that. How I can't make
Speaker 3: a bell crow sound, but if somebody could, Yeah, wow,
Speaker 3: he's a voice actor, a face actor.
Speaker 1: Hey, maybe I can face act the velcrow hang.
Speaker 6: On glasses off.
Speaker 3: That was actually really good. And I did love when
Speaker 3: her phone rings and Luke just points at the sign
Speaker 3: and goes it still applies changed. That was that was
Speaker 3: really good. And we got a little glimpse of her
Speaker 3: ring again, which I really like her engagement ring. It's
Speaker 3: it's like delicate, it's it looks antique, which I assume
Speaker 3: it is because Kirk took it off a dead lady.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I I like the ring. I like that I'm seeing that.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I just you know, I didn't hate
Speaker 3: to open that much. And I thought the fire starter
Speaker 3: stuff was a little bit funny. There's another fire.
Speaker 1: Then it was all yeah, kind of what she had
Speaker 1: the good line, don't walk behind the library to catch
Speaker 1: on fire.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was. It was all fine, nothing.
Speaker 1: Like, hey, when you see those two together, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be okay. Yeah, right, even if it's not like fall
Speaker 1: down funny. I agree, well and they and even when
Speaker 1: you know that Suzanne's gonna throw the flag right, it's
Speaker 1: I don't mind those two together.
Speaker 3: The part I didn't get was Luke and Jackson bickering.
Speaker 3: I'm like, why were they doing that? Like those two
Speaker 3: get along? I didn't. I didn't really. You know, when
Speaker 3: you're trying to fig you're out the oven situation and
Speaker 3: they are bickering and don't really get that. I was like,
Speaker 3: those two are They're not going to bicker, They're going
Speaker 3: to be in it together. But I mean, whatever, tiny
Speaker 3: tiny flag, the.
Speaker 1: Lines are there. You got it. You gotta say them.
Speaker 3: I don't know them, do you know? Oh you're saying.
Speaker 3: I know you're saying. I needed to say right now, right,
Speaker 3: you had to say them correct.
Speaker 1: Whether the lines are there, right, you gotta make it.
Speaker 3: If you don't think in tracks right, right, there's nothing
Speaker 3: to do but it. And I didn't understand why the
Speaker 3: insurance company had never heard of them, even though I
Speaker 3: get it's a ploy to get Richard there, but that
Speaker 3: was sort of like, right, anyone thoughts on.
Speaker 1: That, Tara, you have a flag, you're throwing a flag
Speaker 1: on the plane.
Speaker 5: We're not there yet though, so I don't know.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, we'll put it back in your pocket
Speaker 1: and let's then okay.
Speaker 3: So I actually enjoy the scene on the patio. So
Speaker 3: now we go to the patio and all the ladies
Speaker 3: are there with Rory, and she's very you know, dressed,
Speaker 3: her hair and her outfit. It's very she's really playing
Speaker 3: the part. The patio scenes always bug me though, because
Speaker 3: they're clearly not outside, and I don't know why that's
Speaker 3: so annoying to me, But the ladies are classic. They're
Speaker 3: all insane. The whole thing's insane. But I kind of
Speaker 3: love it, and then I kind of love that Rory
Speaker 3: sort of was like, hey, uh, I think we can
Speaker 3: fix this. We can run a deficit, you know, achieve
Speaker 3: a bigger profit, like she's got all the things. And
Speaker 3: then the one woman's like, yeah, let's go balls out,
Speaker 3: take a swing, slug or baby like. It was like
Speaker 3: that was weird but enjoyable.
Speaker 5: I would say, yeah, I think for me. I know
Speaker 5: last week I said like I just feel like Rory's
Speaker 5: not herself, out of her element. But for some reason
Speaker 5: in this episode, because she was so in control and
Speaker 5: she was on top of her her game, it kind
Speaker 5: of worked like it worked for me, you know, especially
Speaker 5: notched up around. But like you know, she's calling people
Speaker 5: and she's saying it's sold out and all this and that,
Speaker 5: and she's like that's the Rory. We know.
Speaker 6: She gets she gets it done. She doesn't slack.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you put on a great party, that's
Speaker 1: that's a real ye.
Speaker 6: I mean Emily Emily was like you're sold out?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 3: And also not for nothing, whether she's left yell or not,
Speaker 3: putting on an event like that is a big deal.
Speaker 3: That's like like that's not just nothing. So I kind
Speaker 3: of thought she should be proud of herself. They should,
Speaker 3: everybody should be proud. That's a respectable, amazing job she did.
Speaker 3: But I'm feeling the return to Yale, like we're getting there,
Speaker 3: they're all starting to figure this out.
Speaker 1: I hope. I don't know what happens, but I hope
Speaker 1: she goes back soon. And I like this episode and
Speaker 1: I like what she was doing here too. I agree
Speaker 1: with you her, but I'm ready for it to get
Speaker 1: back to Yale.
Speaker 5: And get back in the mix.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll talk about Paris. For me, was not enough
Speaker 3: logan in this episode, but we'll get to like one moment.
Speaker 3: But this is the scene I disliked the most. Coming
Speaker 3: up next, and it is lore Lion Luke at Suki
Speaker 3: and Jackson's house for the dinner.
Speaker 5: Which was my flag.
Speaker 3: There's parts of it that I loved. The dinner looked amazing,
Speaker 3: but nobody tells me, like one and a half the
Speaker 3: old kid.
Speaker 5: To see.
Speaker 1: It's awful. Did anybody feel like this is all? I
Speaker 1: don't want to use the A word, but it was
Speaker 1: the word children to scream at them.
Speaker 5: Like that, Well, that was my I was like the top.
Speaker 5: That was my fin on this episode. I was like,
Speaker 5: you're yelling by the way, It's like if it was
Speaker 5: a joke once, I would kind of laugh at it,
Speaker 5: like if it was once they panted the one year old,
Speaker 5: but it was just like if you don't turn it off,
Speaker 5: like no t for the week, and this kid doesn't
Speaker 5: know how to use a remote.
Speaker 3: This kid can't walk. I barely think you doesn't. It's
Speaker 3: one thing if you're yelling at a twelve year old
Speaker 3: like the dam like I don't know where they going
Speaker 3: for a Lucy and Ricky like I couldn't figure out
Speaker 3: what was.
Speaker 5: It was very out of pocket with this episode too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how to pocket Wow, Tara Wow.
Speaker 4: My I agree with that. My husband was watching it
Speaker 4: with me last night and he's because I turned the
Speaker 4: volume down because I cannot even stand that scene. So
Speaker 4: I just I can't stand the way they're shrieking. So
Speaker 4: I turned the volume down and my husband was like,
Speaker 4: why is this scene even in this episode? And they're
Speaker 4: trying to show how patient Luke is with all of this, Yeah,
Speaker 4: constantly following Laurela around, but it really does. It doesn't
Speaker 4: really fit in and it was overdone and over the
Speaker 4: top and easily one of my top three least favorite
Speaker 4: episodes in the entire seven seasons.
Speaker 3: So I don't hate the episode, but the scene is.
Speaker 3: But the other thing is, like, there, Luke is not
Speaker 3: going to sit there eating his dinner like a weirdo
Speaker 3: while all this crap's going on, you know, feeding the
Speaker 3: dog with the fork and the baby and like.
Speaker 1: Right, because he's so whipped, he just wants.
Speaker 3: To be his dinner. All he would have taken his
Speaker 3: plate up. What Luke would have done is like hey,
Speaker 3: when they all kind of like got up and were
Speaker 3: moving around and she's being the dog with the fork,
Speaker 3: he would have just taken his plate into the kitchen
Speaker 3: and sat on the stool or whatever.
Speaker 1: Or at least given a couple of looks, you know, turn.
Speaker 5: His chair the dog right, Like I understand what they
Speaker 5: were doing with it. They were trying to show that
Speaker 5: Luke is you know, he's here to port Laura. He
Speaker 5: loves doing whatever she wants to do. Like that was
Speaker 5: the point, which was the point of the whole episode.
Speaker 5: But we didn't need this. Why I feel like we
Speaker 5: could to cut this out, dealt with the other Luke
Speaker 5: and Lorelei scenes and that was enough.
Speaker 3: We didn't even need the storyline.
Speaker 6: The storyline, No, I agree, but if you want it is.
Speaker 3: Not like I don't know how to say this. This
Speaker 3: appropriate language, like lucas not a sap. Is that the
Speaker 3: him's guy not at all. They are very equal. So
Speaker 3: I was like, this is just and Luke will go
Speaker 3: camping if he wants to go camping. And he's not
Speaker 3: going to go camping. He's not going to do anything
Speaker 3: he doesn't want to do. And he's also not going
Speaker 3: to be butt hurt. That was the other thing, right.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, he comes back all butt
Speaker 1: hurt and I just want to be with you, and
Speaker 1: I'm happy and being with you. I don't care what it.
Speaker 3: Really he's not doing that. He would have never gone camping.
Speaker 3: He would have been like Laura, I'm going to the
Speaker 3: Patty Show with you and we're going to like rip
Speaker 3: on people and have a great time and sneak in
Speaker 3: some wine whatever it is beer like.
Speaker 1: But she even did say there was some dialogue that
Speaker 1: you know, let me pull out a flag. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: throw a flag here where she said to him when
Speaker 1: she was trying to convince him to go to camping,
Speaker 1: do what you want to do, because she wanted. She
Speaker 1: actually did want it. She didn't want to go with him,
Speaker 1: She wanted to go with Suki. So as she stated,
Speaker 1: so I can have fun and those words to him,
Speaker 1: he didn't react. He didn't say, well you don't have
Speaker 1: fun with me, or he took the hit and then
Speaker 1: he left, And it was like, that's kind of a like,
Speaker 1: is that this magic relationship or whatever? Or is he
Speaker 1: being over sensitive or are they trying to pertain portray
Speaker 1: him and being over sensitive to even react in these ways,
Speaker 1: or to even be in a situation in a scene
Speaker 1: where you know she has to push him to go camping,
Speaker 1: it was odd.
Speaker 5: It was Yeah, I forgot about this little storyline, but
Speaker 5: when I was watching it, I was like, does she just.
Speaker 6: Want a girl's and wanted Luke to go away?
Speaker 5: Like she could have been like, hey, want to night
Speaker 5: with me and Suki and Luke would have been totally
Speaker 5: fine with it.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: What I want to ask you guys, is do we
Speaker 3: think Lorelei was genuinely being genuine and feeling like she
Speaker 3: was monopolizing too much of Luke's time and kind of
Speaker 3: was encouraging him to not not feel so obligated and
Speaker 3: could go do what he wanted or did she actually
Speaker 3: not want him to come.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry if I felt she did not want him
Speaker 1: to come and was forcing him out, because after disagree
Speaker 1: a wait a minute, hang on, let me let me
Speaker 1: let me just say this. After he came back and
Speaker 1: he did his butt hurt scene, right, and they had
Speaker 1: their little heart to heart and he confessed how whipped
Speaker 1: he is. There was no physical contact between them.
Speaker 5: She just left.
Speaker 1: She just walked out of the diner. You would expect
Speaker 1: hug and a kiss and what you know, something right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: something that was familiar of a relateationship, an intimate relationship.
Speaker 5: She just left.
Speaker 1: She goes, okay, bye.
Speaker 3: I feel like it was Sanne, you give it.
Speaker 1: It was a weird storyline.
Speaker 3: Taken that I have a thought.
Speaker 4: I just felt like, if we go back to the
Speaker 4: scene where they're screaming at Davy about the TV, they
Speaker 4: showed her looking at Luke a few times, and so
Speaker 4: to me, that was her realization that like, oh, you know,
Speaker 4: he gives up a lot of his own time to
Speaker 4: do the things that I want to do, and I
Speaker 4: know he hates coming over here for dinner because these
Speaker 4: people are crazy, and so I in my mind she was.
Speaker 4: She wasn't trying to get rid of him. She was
Speaker 4: trying to encourage him to go do his own thing,
Speaker 4: because he does give up a lot of time to
Speaker 4: do what she wants to do. So I thought it
Speaker 4: was more of a generous gesture to him him then
Speaker 4: saying I don't want to spend the evening with you.
Speaker 1: You just say I was having Wi Fi issues and
Speaker 1: I had to watch it on a tiny screen on
Speaker 1: my cell phone, so I wasn't picking up subtleties like that.
Speaker 1: So here's interesting.
Speaker 3: So here's my take.
Speaker 1: So, Susanne, you definitely did pick that up that she
Speaker 1: was noticing him, that he was tolerated.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because she kind of has a look on her face,
Speaker 4: and I know face acting is not a thing, but
Speaker 4: it was happening right there. She she had a look
Speaker 4: in face like, oh my gosh, she's this is really
Speaker 4: sweet of him to put up with all of this.
Speaker 1: Okay, so there was all right. So they tried to
Speaker 1: really sell the storyline but it didn't work.
Speaker 3: That's right, Scott, So that's what I was going to say. So, yeah,
Speaker 3: I actually think it was authentic the intention, meaning she
Speaker 3: intent she really does want to make sure, he's doing
Speaker 3: the things he wants to do with all good intentions,
Speaker 3: and he really does want to hang out with her
Speaker 3: with all good intentions. I just think the way they
Speaker 3: wrote it was.
Speaker 1: Bad because it's okay that she wants to have a
Speaker 1: girl and was Suki, that's not a problem. It's okay
Speaker 1: that he likes to hang with her.
Speaker 3: It's sure that he wants to go camping.
Speaker 1: It just just wants to go camping. It's all okay,
Speaker 1: But it just they tried to turn it as something
Speaker 1: like this into some kind of big conflict and it
Speaker 1: really work.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like an E or an F storyline that
Speaker 3: they tried to make a B and you're like, this
Speaker 3: isn't a thing, So do we all agree? Like the
Speaker 3: scene did not work At Suki and Jackson's, it was weird,
Speaker 3: although the dinner looked unbelievably delicious, and the storyline is
Speaker 3: a little off that Luke and Laura are going to
Speaker 3: be having this sort of problem, but.
Speaker 1: Everything else was pretty darn great.
Speaker 3: So that let's get to Emily and Richard you can
Speaker 3: relate to me are the highlight of this whole. So first, Emily's.
Speaker 1: A little.
Speaker 3: Weird about Rory taking on the event, and I thought
Speaker 3: it was because she was jealous, but I actually think
Speaker 3: now it was because she was nervous about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree. You can see going back to that
Speaker 4: scene where they were sitting on the patio when somebody
Speaker 4: suggested that Rory take it over, Emily looked very worried.
Speaker 4: He's not sure that Rory can is ready for that
Speaker 4: step yet, which I thought was interesting because in the
Speaker 4: last episode she did that dar event she was stuck
Speaker 4: in Helsinki and she did a great job. So I
Speaker 4: thought that was interesting that she was so nervous about Rory.
Speaker 3: It was just a little bizarre. Yeah, I don't care
Speaker 3: about a salmon puff, although I want to try one,
Speaker 3: I don't think I've ever had one. But I love
Speaker 3: that Richard has all the confidence in the world and.
Speaker 5: Rory always always.
Speaker 3: People say I say always, but I'm saying always. It's
Speaker 3: like he really believes in her more than anybody. Which
Speaker 3: we'll get to the face acting at the end of
Speaker 3: the episode in a minute. My one flag though, so
Speaker 3: he says something like she knew facts of this at three,
Speaker 3: and she knew this at five, and she knew this
Speaker 3: at ten. Well, like if they were sort of estranged,
Speaker 3: did he really know all that? I mean, I think
Speaker 3: they saw each other from time to time, but.
Speaker 4: I think they saw each other on holidays.
Speaker 5: Do you think also Loralai would tell them like, oh,
Speaker 5: my daughter knows this and that.
Speaker 3: But I think they know it now, right, I think.
Speaker 1: And conversations that have when they reconnected at the beginning
Speaker 1: of the show, then they've had those conversations at the
Speaker 1: dinner table. I kind of just stuff that we weren't
Speaker 1: privy to that they just wanted to get to the conflict.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I kind of thought that too, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: so okay, So then now we go to the scene
Speaker 3: in the kitchen with Richard and Laura Lai sort of
Speaker 3: reunited because of the insurance situation, and it was pretty caustic,
Speaker 3: Like Loralai was really caustic. I think she says, how
Speaker 3: are the Hamburglers or something?
Speaker 1: Hamburgers?
Speaker 3: Yeah, thing, yeah, and he's like they're fine. People's misunderstanding.
Speaker 3: And then that poor guy with the weird digital camera
Speaker 3: just in there for that awkwardness.
Speaker 5: I thought he was at one called for like her
Speaker 5: timing at least, or like the way she came off
Speaker 5: like we I understand you're trying to like get Rory
Speaker 5: back to Yale, but it just was like your dad
Speaker 5: came to help you for an insurance thing and the kids,
Speaker 5: like it just wasn't the right.
Speaker 4: Time, Like she was almost trying to pick a fight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was trying to pick.
Speaker 4: But at the same time, it always has bothered me
Speaker 4: that throughout this string of episodes, Richard and Emily just
Speaker 4: assumed from the get go that Laura I was lying
Speaker 4: about the whole thing, and she could have just ask
Speaker 4: Rory what happened at dinner at the Huntsburgers that night,
Speaker 4: and they never did yea, And that always kind of
Speaker 4: bothered me, like they just assumed that Lorelai is lying,
Speaker 4: So therefore we're not even going to try to find
Speaker 4: out if anything really happened.
Speaker 1: Yet, let me interject here that laurel I has done
Speaker 1: and said some pretty bizarre things over the past six seasons.
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, her credibility with them is not
Speaker 1: I would say, sterling silver.
Speaker 3: Even because she's so sort of sarcastic or.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can see that, and I agree with that,
Speaker 4: but in this particular situation where it would be so
Speaker 4: easy to just ask Rory the next time she.
Speaker 1: Walked in the room.
Speaker 4: And they don't even think to do that, Like they
Speaker 4: never asked Rory what happened at the Huntsburgers. They just
Speaker 4: automatically assumed that, well, they're very nice people. That couldn't
Speaker 4: have happened. And so I that just has bothered me
Speaker 4: in all of these episodes.
Speaker 3: Or maybe they're in denial they don't want to deal
Speaker 3: like not that I think they want it to not
Speaker 3: be true. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like, if
Speaker 3: you want something to not be true, you don't want
Speaker 3: to go digging to make it true because it's really
Speaker 3: a dig on them. The last of it was a
Speaker 3: dig that the that the Gillmores aren't worthy of the Huntsburgers, right,
Speaker 3: And I think.
Speaker 1: And Rory is not going to go to her parents
Speaker 1: and be a whiny tattle tale about it, you know,
Speaker 1: because she respects their relationship with the hunts Burgers and
Speaker 1: she just you know, she don't want to deal with it,
Speaker 1: you know. But I agree that you know, it all
Speaker 1: could have But then then wor'st the worst the build
Speaker 1: up over the many episodes or how many episodes, you know,
Speaker 1: how many episodes ago did that happen. That was what
Speaker 1: episode one or two? I think, so we're like, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's not been that's right, it was.
Speaker 3: In It was seven episodes ago. It is the end
Speaker 3: of the finale, so it's about seven to eight episodes.
Speaker 1: Okay, So that's you know, that's a good wait waiting
Speaker 1: period for the tension to keep building in the audience,
Speaker 1: to keep acting asking when the heck is this going
Speaker 1: to get resolved? And bannedit they deliver. So I think
Speaker 1: it was pretty ingeniously of the whole production and the
Speaker 1: whole writing team to delay it.
Speaker 3: I agree with you. I I don't mind.
Speaker 1: Would you would you rather have it resolved right away
Speaker 1: because they believe Rory and just have it done, or
Speaker 1: would you rather wait what's more important?
Speaker 3: I would rather wait for what we got with the
Speaker 3: blow up between them, right.
Speaker 1: And I think that's been the whole strategy for all
Speaker 1: of these characters, all these storylines. Let's drag them out
Speaker 1: as much as we can, and if we got a
Speaker 1: couple of flags thrown up on us, so be it.
Speaker 3: And I don't think she I don't think Rory would
Speaker 3: have I think she would have not told them, She
Speaker 3: wouldn't have lied, but she maybe would have. She's so
Speaker 3: still shaken sideways by.
Speaker 1: It and and probably embarrassed by it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, Scott, because.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's a part of her that feels like they're right.
Speaker 1: So she so she's her confidence took a hit. She
Speaker 1: doesn't really want to come out full guns because she can't.
Speaker 3: That's right. A lot of her thinks it's real. That's
Speaker 3: the whole right, Not so much the dinner, but what
Speaker 3: Mitcham said at the paper, she quit Yale because of it.
Speaker 3: She gives these people so much power. So obviously she's
Speaker 3: not going to talk about it.
Speaker 1: But it is. But it is kind of, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: it's that something such such an event, such an extreme
Speaker 1: decision to drop out of Yale and move into the poolhouse.
Speaker 1: You know that they didn't have a deeper talk with
Speaker 1: her about it and really like, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: try it out of her almost like what happened? You know? Why?
Speaker 1: Why weren't they more curious? You know?
Speaker 5: Do you think they just didn't want to lose her
Speaker 5: again because like they didn't have her as a her
Speaker 5: growing up as a kid, they didn't have her around
Speaker 5: like they do now. So do you think it was
Speaker 5: just like, we'll do whatever she wants.
Speaker 3: So she stays in a take when she was crying
Speaker 3: and hugging him. Yeah, and he didn't care about anything,
Speaker 3: but just like doing what she wanted needed making her
Speaker 3: feel better, Like he just isn't going to stand up
Speaker 3: to her and have a conversation about it. When she's
Speaker 3: like crying to her grandpa, right, He's just like, Okay,
Speaker 3: you know what, fine, whatever you want, we'll take care
Speaker 3: of you, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean she's the golden child. They'll give her
Speaker 4: whatever she wants because the one that, you know, falls
Speaker 4: in line with what they want, the family image that
Speaker 4: they want, and so they're gonna, you know, go along
Speaker 4: with what Rory wants because them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there is there definitely is a logic to it.
Speaker 5: And just to go back to the conversation about like
Speaker 5: the Huntsburgers, like Emily and Richard look at them like
Speaker 5: they are so important. You can even see it when
Speaker 5: they're at the slush table, like yeah, like why'd you
Speaker 5: put them there? You can see like they kind of
Speaker 5: in well not anymore, but they can do no wrong
Speaker 5: in Emily and Richard's eyes up until this moment.
Speaker 3: Well, which is why the Huntsburgers act the way they
Speaker 3: act because everyone treats them like royalty, and so they
Speaker 3: act idiotic.
Speaker 4: It's so and Emily even said, there's people and then
Speaker 4: there's the Huntsburgers, like she's already acknowledging that they're not
Speaker 4: are above them, Like that's oh.
Speaker 3: It's so gross. It's so gross. It's so gross. I
Speaker 3: hope I never act like that. Oh I don't know.
Speaker 3: That just makes me gag, but true. So we go
Speaker 3: to the scene then in the pool house, which this
Speaker 3: is kind of fun. You know, I just love seeing
Speaker 3: the pool house. I love I actually love that Logan
Speaker 3: calls the answers and that Logan helped. He's like, I
Speaker 3: got the PA you wanted at the price you wanted.
Speaker 3: I kind of was like, you know what, all right,
Speaker 3: I'm into that. I love the assistant. I love how
Speaker 3: hard they're working, Like I love the whole thing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and then you know that assistant did all the work.
Speaker 3: She was great.
Speaker 1: And then Paris shows up. Okay, I think I think
Speaker 1: this was a great episode for Paris. I agree, really
Speaker 1: really entertaining great lines. Her attitude shifted immediately into one
Speaker 1: of servitude, well not serce service, let's say yeah to Rory.
Speaker 1: I like that subtlety of Rory saying, and you actually
Speaker 1: Paris should be standing over there said, oh, yes, you're right,
Speaker 1: I work for you.
Speaker 3: There were parts I found amusing, but I didn't love
Speaker 3: it as much as you guys did.
Speaker 1: Oh No, I love I loved her her not that
Speaker 1: I agree with her, but I loved her anti capitalists
Speaker 1: screed and her supportive Marxism going to oh you're going
Speaker 1: to eat lunch now in your special room.
Speaker 5: It just makes me think like no one could play
Speaker 5: that character like the way Eliza did, like only brilliant.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I love this episode. I thought she was hilarious.
Speaker 1: It was, it was. It was a lot of lass.
Speaker 1: It was, it was.
Speaker 3: It wasn't my favorite, but I love that you guys
Speaker 3: loved it.
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 7: I just was like, that was really enjoyable because she's,
Speaker 7: you know, she's she's not being condescending to Rory or
Speaker 7: really anybody else.
Speaker 1: Now she's she's serving Rory, she's being a great about it.
Speaker 1: Yet now she's she's she's railing.
Speaker 3: Capital Oh my god, I know, it's support. I thought
Speaker 3: it was a good juxtaposition from the Huntsburgers. So for
Speaker 3: me it was like with their affluence and sort of
Speaker 3: entitlement and all that. Then we get this other side
Speaker 3: with Paris, who for the first time is realizing like
Speaker 3: I don't have twenty dollars, Like I have.
Speaker 1: Nothing, right, she automatically has to She's the proletariat. Now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was more amusing for me because of the
Speaker 3: hunts Automatically.
Speaker 1: She loses their trust. Well, she didn't never trust one.
Speaker 1: It's four years away. Her parents accounts are frozen by
Speaker 1: the I R S. She's penniless, so now she's proletariat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in a in a blink.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's so crazy. It was so funny. It was
Speaker 1: such a turn.
Speaker 3: But here's my question. I've always thought it was diddally squatted.
Speaker 3: She said, doodally squat.
Speaker 6: Oh have I been wrong?
Speaker 1: One or the other. You can do either.
Speaker 5: There's no ruly, Okay, I always say I said the
Speaker 5: same as you, Amy.
Speaker 3: I've never heard of doodley squat. But I was like,
Speaker 3: tomato tomato tomato, right, Toodley diddly Okay. So I think
Speaker 3: even though the storyline with Luke and Laura Lai is
Speaker 3: sort of dumb or yeah, dumb, I think you're right
Speaker 3: Scott when you say whenever those two are together, it's
Speaker 3: gonna be okay. And that's how I feel about the
Speaker 3: kitchen scene. Like when you're making the pasta sauce and
Speaker 3: you guys are arguing about the pasta sauce and the
Speaker 3: weird green thing on the it's like kind of nothing,
Speaker 3: but I found it super amusing. And I think she
Speaker 3: makes sort of a joke about the gym time or
Speaker 3: something like, you know, then we see that I actually
Speaker 3: was much more excited about the prospect of them going
Speaker 3: to the recital together than this whole sideways thing of this, well,
Speaker 3: you go do your thing and I'll do my thing.
Speaker 3: Like I would have rather had them at the recital together.
Speaker 3: That would have been as funny as Suki and Laura Lai.
Speaker 1: Like, I don't know, I think it. I think I
Speaker 1: think at that end of that scene, when the dance,
Speaker 1: when it was over, after Kirk did his his birth
Speaker 1: through desk h miming his performance art piece, you know,
Speaker 1: when the glitter came with the dancers at the end
Speaker 1: of it and they were very bombarded. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: Ski had some good lines at that.
Speaker 3: And right Luke Luke could have gone with Luke could
Speaker 3: have chimed in and been totally a third.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he could have been.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not like it had to he had to
Speaker 5: replace Suki.
Speaker 3: They could have all gone to join.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if I mean, if
Speaker 1: you listen McCarthy delivering lines, I think you going.
Speaker 3: It takes me back to the graduation and Suki was
Speaker 3: there and so was Luke, and they were all kind
Speaker 3: of making comments and it was totally amusing.
Speaker 1: Even then, they wouldn't have had this sort of fake
Speaker 1: tension between these two.
Speaker 3: I know that, but I'm so does I.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't have been able to win. Loop's character made them
Speaker 1: all laptong.
Speaker 3: I would have loved to see you covered in glitter.
Speaker 3: That would have real. So we'll get to the recital.
Speaker 3: So first we go back, and now we're at dinner
Speaker 3: and Rory's on her old timey phone and Emily and
Speaker 3: Richard are talking, and this is sort of where Emily realizes,
Speaker 3: like Rory's crushing this. They're turning people away. It's sold out,
Speaker 3: like right, you know? So that was that was cool.
Speaker 5: The theme really got people.
Speaker 3: I don't know about the partitions. They weren't needed, and
Speaker 3: I think we were talking about it off air, but
Speaker 3: I'll just throw it out there now that we do
Speaker 3: because we'll get to the party in a minute. We
Speaker 3: did not care for the table claus that was there
Speaker 3: was a flag with the blue and white checkered table clause.
Speaker 3: I just don't want to forget to mention it so
Speaker 3: because they don't match the theme. That was like more
Speaker 3: of a you know, pick no down, as Suzanne said
Speaker 3: off air, and not like a USO. They were a
Speaker 3: bit jarring. They seemed too casual for me for the
Speaker 3: for the event. Oh also, I have a flag the
Speaker 3: cubed cheese with the olive on top. That's not an appetizer.
Speaker 3: Did you guys see that? I was like, that's literally
Speaker 3: a cheddar cheese cube with an olive on top with
Speaker 3: it with.
Speaker 4: Well maybe it was in the forties, I don't know.
Speaker 3: With a bad toothpick, like an old toothpick with that
Speaker 3: colored stuff at the top. I don't think they make
Speaker 3: those anymore.
Speaker 6: I mean, I'd be so hungry, I need like a
Speaker 6: whole play to that.
Speaker 3: I literally are a WTF. That appetizer is gross. I
Speaker 3: can make that. That's not an appetizer.
Speaker 5: No, that's like, that's like the stack you go, oh,
Speaker 5: when you open your fridge and you're just trying to
Speaker 5: find something to eat.
Speaker 1: Accurate for the period?
Speaker 3: Was that a usop the forties? What were what time?
Speaker 1: Was?
Speaker 3: Were we in the forties?
Speaker 1: That was World War Two? Sure?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was not an appetizer.
Speaker 1: I don't think. Sure it was. It was simple, simple
Speaker 1: cheese and crackers. People didn't start getting but there was
Speaker 1: a cracker was It was just it was a.
Speaker 3: Shield of cheddar cheese with a green olive. It was
Speaker 3: really not good.
Speaker 1: They didn't have time. They were too busy building weapons.
Speaker 4: Probably everything else was being rationed and cheese and all
Speaker 4: of us all they had left exactly.
Speaker 3: I did like Rory's speech with the catering team. You
Speaker 3: know she was so like, now go do.
Speaker 4: You know like she really did you notice the huge
Speaker 4: red welt that she had on her shoulder during that
Speaker 4: scene that it was weird. Like when they're walking through
Speaker 4: the dining room, she was fine, and then when she's
Speaker 4: in the kitchen talking to the stuff, she has like
Speaker 4: this big, like a giant red mark right on her
Speaker 4: color back injury.
Speaker 3: What about Logan's finger? Is it healed?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 6: I oh that was last episode.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he had I know, but.
Speaker 3: He had that thing for two episodes.
Speaker 7: After two and a half years.
Speaker 3: He was cheating while you were pregnant.
Speaker 5: We're pregnant.
Speaker 6: Yeah, about thirteen women.
Speaker 5: More like if I would have stayed married to Max,
Speaker 5: I think he would have achieved forever it was. It
Speaker 5: was just toxic relationship.
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Speaker 3: Well, okay, before we talk about the party, let's talk
Speaker 3: about the sad sack camping that was so dumb, just
Speaker 3: Luke out there like fake camping. I don't remember.
Speaker 5: Him camping as much as fishing or is that just me?
Speaker 5: I think you're right, like he'd go fishing. I don't
Speaker 5: remember him like going camping overnight, but I could be himself.
Speaker 4: There was one time I'm trying to remember. I think
Speaker 4: it was after that after Jess and Rory got in
Speaker 4: the car accident and he left for a couple of days.
Speaker 3: That's what I was going to say. He only goes
Speaker 3: camping when he needs like alone time. Yeah, like when
Speaker 3: he's all upset.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't really need it. I mean he stated
Speaker 1: that very clearly, but I think an uncharacteristic.
Speaker 3: Okay, so now let's talk about the party, o epic party.
Speaker 3: First of all, mac and cheese.
Speaker 5: I mean, Richard was thrilled to not have fancy food totally.
Speaker 3: Richard was on fire.
Speaker 5: His d dancing was amazing episode for him.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So then incomes missus Huntsberger and Rory is really kind
Speaker 3: of undone by that, and then really undone by Mitcham
Speaker 3: being there.
Speaker 5: That kind of shocked me. Why because I know she's
Speaker 5: afraid of not afraid, that's not the right word. I
Speaker 5: know that she's intimidated by what happened and by them
Speaker 5: in the whole situation. But like, Rory's not one to
Speaker 5: kind of just like fall apart like that in front
Speaker 5: of people, and for her to like walk back into
Speaker 5: the kitchen and like even Paris is like you look
Speaker 5: pale or you know whatever she said and was like
Speaker 5: what's wrong. It's like she did not want to do that,
Speaker 5: and she by the way she held her own when
Speaker 5: she went and took Shira to the table, but when
Speaker 5: she saw Mitcham, it was like she was done and
Speaker 5: it just kind of don't no.
Speaker 3: It's it's just not Rory, Like, it's not Rory Rory
Speaker 3: saying I hate her, I hate her, I hate her,
Speaker 3: like three times. I just don't think Rory saying that
Speaker 3: about her boyfriend's mom, like this is still low Hogan's parents,
Speaker 3: and like she would just you know, I think she
Speaker 3: would have been a little bit more together about it
Speaker 3: and kind of like, you know, like even if she
Speaker 3: hates her, she's going to be polite to her. That's
Speaker 3: Logan's mom.
Speaker 1: So if you forget it, then what what are we
Speaker 1: watching them as an audience?
Speaker 3: Well, I see where you're going with that, because.
Speaker 1: Why you described was just very boring.
Speaker 3: Boring.
Speaker 5: Yeah, don't you think she would say it more about
Speaker 5: Mitcham than Shira though, or.
Speaker 3: I don't mind the meltdown. She could have just been
Speaker 3: like freaking out, but just I hate her, I hate her,
Speaker 3: I hate her. It's like, I don't know, that's so like.
Speaker 5: Childish.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was going to say babyish, yeah, and then
Speaker 3: I thought like, well, it's not babyish, but it's just sort.
Speaker 1: Of like I didn't mind it. I thought, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: if we if we're they're trying to make a swallow
Speaker 1: that this Mitcham situation crushed her to the point where
Speaker 1: she left Yale and she just doesn't want to be
Speaker 1: a journalist anymore, then we have to accept that she's
Speaker 1: going to react or because it's an overreaction. Obviously now
Speaker 1: she's overreacting just seeing him. So if we're buying that,
Speaker 1: then we have to buy this it actually, you know,
Speaker 1: so if you didn't buy into her being crushed by
Speaker 1: the Mitcham thing, that you're obviously not going to be
Speaker 1: buying into this behavior as well. But you know, this
Speaker 1: is a big deal. This is a big moment in life, right,
Speaker 1: So I think I do buy it. I actually do
Speaker 1: buy it because Rory is sensitive. She's not She doesn't
Speaker 1: have the armor that Laurel I grew up with and
Speaker 1: had to construct and put on her her soul and
Speaker 1: her psyche to defend herself against her parents. So what
Speaker 1: Rory got was an incredibly strong, but incredibly loving, attentive mother,
Speaker 1: And this is something that Laura I never really got.
Speaker 1: So they're completely different personalities. So I kind of do
Speaker 1: buy in that she's this sensitive and and and Alexis
Speaker 1: is the kind of actress that you just sort of
Speaker 1: want to protect. You know. She's got that personality where
Speaker 1: she's very sweet, very vulnerable, so and so these people.
Speaker 1: I do buy in that that she can get crushed
Speaker 1: by these people. Yeah, and I think I kind of
Speaker 1: because she's nothing like her mother in that regard. Right,
Speaker 1: she doesn't have I agree with you.
Speaker 4: She hasn't built that resilience that Laura I have because
Speaker 4: she's never needed to.
Speaker 1: Right, She's never needed to.
Speaker 3: But you know who is like lor Lai what who?
Speaker 3: Emily and Richard. That's where she gets it, especially Emily,
Speaker 3: because we are about to see I mean Richard. Richard
Speaker 3: was I guess you could say professional about it, but
Speaker 3: he I saw him like with his fist, he wanted
Speaker 3: to punch him and he's not. Richard didn't back down
Speaker 3: to Mitcham. He really pushed Mitcham verbally without going over
Speaker 3: the top, whereas Emily threw down and was smacking her
Speaker 3: with her words.
Speaker 1: It was like, I love I love these scenes. It
Speaker 1: just shows that, you know how good at Herman was
Speaker 1: as an actor. It's just the way it escalated the
Speaker 1: choices that he made up the ladder of Anger, you know,
Speaker 1: started out with a mini explosion.
Speaker 3: And so what did you say?
Speaker 1: What did right? Right? I mean really, I mean it
Speaker 1: was five degrees. Every room on the ladder was touched
Speaker 1: and it was just great to watch.
Speaker 3: Really, I know, I wrote so juicy. The whole thing
Speaker 3: was so juicy. And also I think there's something to
Speaker 3: how tall Richard slash ed Herman is. He's so tall
Speaker 3: that it actually even if Mitcham was quote the more powerful,
Speaker 3: I really think Richard was the more powerful in that scene.
Speaker 3: Like I thought he kind of schooled Richard a bit.
Speaker 3: He was. I think Mitcham was a little scared, even
Speaker 3: though he's I don't know Mitchen was so like I think, done.
Speaker 1: This on the phone. Got two powerful guys, right, two
Speaker 1: tough guys, business guys. Who are you know, they're hard asses,
Speaker 1: these two guys. You know they're both super successful, and
Speaker 1: nobody's backing down. I did exactly. And you know, Mitcham
Speaker 1: is not gonna sugar owed anything or he's not gonna
Speaker 1: lie about what he did. He's gonna own it, and
Speaker 1: he owned it. But he did it in a way
Speaker 1: where he thought he could sort of smooth over the
Speaker 1: situation by being you know, like, hey, you know you're
Speaker 1: a business guy. You would have done the same thing.
Speaker 3: Come on, right, right, right, right, right right.
Speaker 4: Richard was being more emotional about it, whereas Mitcham was
Speaker 4: more business like, Yeah, have an emotional attachment to Rory
Speaker 4: like Richard does.
Speaker 5: I don't think Mitcham is an emotional person at all though,
Speaker 5: like even for his own son, that's true, that's yeah,
Speaker 5: Like he's not. Like I like how it wasn't even
Speaker 5: an example of like, oh if logan it was like
Speaker 5: if you had someone working for you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: Like he can't even put himself in those shoes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good point.
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Speaker 3: Well, and we finally do know that the internship was
Speaker 3: given because of the disastrous dinner, he says, after that
Speaker 3: disastrous dinner with Shira and Pop and so you you
Speaker 3: We've always known it, but now it's been acknowledged.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think everything that we've talked about over
Speaker 5: the last couple of weeks, like she stopped on the
Speaker 5: Yale because of Mitchell, like it was all answered in
Speaker 5: this one scene.
Speaker 1: Yes, so let's discuss how ugly a character and a
Speaker 1: personality that Mitcham is. Do you agree with that statement?
Speaker 1: Do you think an odious character? Who is a guy
Speaker 1: who you know, it's easy to criticize him because he
Speaker 1: has this sort of militaristic discipline and this Bravora business acumen.
Speaker 1: He knows how to build companies, and he knows he
Speaker 1: really knows his business, and he doesn't waste time, and
Speaker 1: he doesn't mince words.
Speaker 3: And mitcham, he's fine. I don't have a problem with him,
Speaker 3: right do you?
Speaker 1: Uh? Yeah, if you're if you've got the daughter of
Speaker 1: a friend that you and your and your intention is
Speaker 1: to make up for this mistreatment my family laid on
Speaker 1: her by giving her a job. I think there's something
Speaker 1: missing in him that can't see her talent. Everybody else
Speaker 1: seems to see it, right, He's the only one that doesn't.
Speaker 1: And even if he believes, then he does, he believes
Speaker 1: that she doesn't have it. Let's get rid of her.
Speaker 1: There's another way to do that to preserve So here's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. A guy that has built up that
Speaker 1: many newspapers and is that successful has got to have
Speaker 1: the art of letting people down the right way, so
Speaker 1: he's not creating enemies along the way. And that guy
Speaker 1: created an enemy and a potentially very formidable enemy in
Speaker 1: a future Rory and Rory's progeny, and in Richard and
Speaker 1: in Emily, and that was just not something. It wasn't
Speaker 1: a smart move.
Speaker 3: It's not something take it's fair, it's not my take.
Speaker 1: Not really so much Rory's reaction to getting crushed. It's
Speaker 1: really that the crushing happened at all. No, I agree, credulity.
Speaker 3: My problem is not with Mitch. Mitcham is a businessman,
Speaker 3: he's successful, he has all the right and it is
Speaker 3: just my opinion he has all the right in the
Speaker 3: world to behave however he wants to behave and run
Speaker 3: his business. However, he wants to run his business, and
Speaker 3: he doesn't need to coddle people, even if they're like
Speaker 3: family friends.
Speaker 1: It's not my modeling. Sorry, let me interrupt. It's not people.
Speaker 1: It's not calling her. It's being mindful that there's a friendship.
Speaker 1: There's a family behind her, they know each other, their
Speaker 1: their kids are dating. There's got to be the dating thing.
Speaker 1: There's got to be a sensitivity there towards that, and
Speaker 1: in respect towards that. It's like he could have done
Speaker 1: it another way.
Speaker 3: Sure, but my beef has always been with Rory. Sure, fair,
Speaker 3: that's the dad in you. I appreciate all that. My
Speaker 3: thing is.
Speaker 1: More of an emotional intelligence thing. It's like, but he
Speaker 1: didn't right, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: He's a little bit of an ass. So he's a
Speaker 3: little bit of an ass. He's a little bit too abrupt,
Speaker 3: he doesn't have his bedside manners, not great whatever. My
Speaker 3: beef has always been with Rory letting it be her undoing.
Speaker 3: It's like, dude, this guy does not need to take
Speaker 3: you down because he once said maybe you're not good enough.
Speaker 3: It's just like, okay, come back strong. And he actually
Speaker 3: acknowledged that.
Speaker 5: I was about to say he said that, and it's
Speaker 5: what I say.
Speaker 3: And she should have done She should have come back harder,
Speaker 3: or she should have worked harder, or she can do
Speaker 3: what she wants. It's just my opinion. The person that's
Speaker 3: not nice is missus Huntsburger. She is gross. She's like
Speaker 3: and Emily was gross in this too. They were equally
Speaker 3: just sort of you.
Speaker 1: Why are you accusing Emily being gross?
Speaker 3: Because the things she said she couldn't done.
Speaker 1: It was one of the great Gilmore speeches of all time.
Speaker 1: Don't I think she could say in her place?
Speaker 3: Correct? I think she should put her in her place.
Speaker 3: I don't think she needed to do it by calling
Speaker 3: her fat and saying her husband cheats on her. It's
Speaker 3: like that part was gross. It's like Emily's better than that.
Speaker 3: Be more clever, be better, and really do the same thing,
Speaker 3: but be so smart about it that you own you
Speaker 3: crush her without having to tell her her husband cheats
Speaker 3: on her and she's I think the reason goes up.
Speaker 5: And I did like Emily's little speech to her. I
Speaker 5: do think the weight thing was low, but I think
Speaker 5: she was trying to get as low as sheer it does.
Speaker 5: And I think she would have like, yeah, I understand
Speaker 5: it's not going.
Speaker 1: Down to her level, so that Shira understands that she's
Speaker 1: gotta she's fighting a bad ass to Then I would.
Speaker 3: Have said it, this is what I get it, and
Speaker 3: I love Emily, and I thought it was.
Speaker 1: That you can understand you know that.
Speaker 3: I think you just do it a little bit more like, look,
Speaker 3: I don't know enough to know how I would do it,
Speaker 3: but I think I would have said, you know more
Speaker 3: of the like, don't you dare mess with me in
Speaker 3: this way because I know where all the bodies are buried?
Speaker 1: And but what what why not why address it at all?
Speaker 1: If she's so hyphalutin done them, why not just not
Speaker 1: even address it and then do things behind her back
Speaker 1: to destroy her? And that there.
Speaker 3: I think you go in through well, I don't think
Speaker 3: it's over, but I think you go. I don't think
Speaker 3: it's Emily is not the type to do it behind
Speaker 3: her back. Emily is going to go to her face,
Speaker 3: and I think Emily had plenty to say to her.
Speaker 3: What It's just my opinion. You know, when two women
Speaker 3: get at it, do it be stay classy, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, and you're gonna like it's gonna go
Speaker 3: way further. In my opinion, that low blow was beneath
Speaker 3: Emily when Emily's right, being right is the way better,
Speaker 3: better win. Missus Huntsburger is a fool. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know. What do you got? What do the what? U?
Speaker 3: Tar and Suzanne think? Mmm, I mean, I've been to
Speaker 3: this ring of fire.
Speaker 4: It is definitely an iconic pill more moment like this
Speaker 4: is the fans love that that Emily put her in
Speaker 4: her place. I do see the point that maybe, oh yeah,
Speaker 4: the good emails, probably yeah, so hey. I mean, I
Speaker 4: don't know, I think Emily, I Amy. I do agree
Speaker 4: with you that it didn't need to get that personal.
Speaker 4: But at the same time, it was it was fun
Speaker 4: to watch, like it was fun to see somebody take
Speaker 4: Shira down a notch because she is so horrible and
Speaker 4: so elitist and snobby, and so it was.
Speaker 3: Well, that's why I liked the dig. That's why I
Speaker 3: liked the dig better. When she said you were nothing
Speaker 3: until you yea wormed your way into the Mitchen's life,
Speaker 3: that to me was like putting her in her place,
Speaker 3: saying you were less than even us or whatever. Like
Speaker 3: the whole thing is. Look, I have to acknowledge, the
Speaker 3: whole thing is pretty gross, right, Like we have missed
Speaker 3: the same in many you have are many, We've done
Speaker 3: many too in these kids. You can see it's just
Speaker 3: like ugh. If I was like, I don't want to
Speaker 3: be any it's just not me. I don't want to
Speaker 3: be a part of any of that because it's gross.
Speaker 3: Like it's gross.
Speaker 5: I definitely think that like the one I mean, I
Speaker 5: agree the weight thing was, I would have not said that.
Speaker 5: I think the husband cheated on you know. And then
Speaker 5: the line that she said leading into her speech about money,
Speaker 5: I was like, did we really need It's like, I
Speaker 5: just I understand money is so important to them, but
Speaker 5: I'm like, did we need that? It's just I don't know,
Speaker 5: Like I see what you say, Amy.
Speaker 3: Like Olivia Pope would not have said it that way. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's my point.
Speaker 6: That's a very good Yeah.
Speaker 3: That Olivia Pope would have gone up. For those that
Speaker 3: don't know, this is from scandal, Olivia Pope carry Washington
Speaker 3: from scandal. Yep, she would have gone up. She still
Speaker 3: would have gotten her grill and she would have put
Speaker 3: her in her place, but she would have done it
Speaker 3: different and it would have been smarter, and it would
Speaker 3: have been more would have been harsher in a way, like.
Speaker 1: All right, let me ask you this, knowing now what
Speaker 1: we know about missus Huntsburger, if Emily is able to
Speaker 1: get down on her level and talk to her in
Speaker 1: a way that's going to rip her the most, do
Speaker 1: you do you think that that proves that that's maybe
Speaker 1: where Emily came from too.
Speaker 3: No, because Emily's fancy. I think Emily's pretty fancy.
Speaker 1: Do we know a lot about Emily's background?
Speaker 3: We know enough.
Speaker 5: Well, she went to Yale with with Richard, Like it
Speaker 5: sounds like Shira didn't go to Yale.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Emily went to Yale.
Speaker 1: She went.
Speaker 3: Right nearby.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this this comes up a lot because Yale wasn't
Speaker 4: co ed at the time. So she went to.
Speaker 1: Smith. I think she went to Smith, right.
Speaker 5: Those things that she went to the games with with
Speaker 5: Richard and stuff, That's why I made me think of that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and had like your all male schools and then
Speaker 4: they would do things with the all female schools and
Speaker 4: like games and mixers and things.
Speaker 5: It sounds like Emily is this is I don't want
Speaker 5: to come off the wrong way. It sounds like the
Speaker 5: way she's saying is that Emily is educated and Shira
Speaker 5: is not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Emily comes from quality stuck as opposed to
Speaker 3: Shira whom Yeah, she just yeah, Look, I just feel.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: I look, I feel like I'm all about the confrontation.
Speaker 3: I'm into it and putting her in her place. I
Speaker 3: just thought there was a lot of like low blow jazz,
Speaker 3: like I think about Emily and Penalin lot like they
Speaker 3: didn't do that. But you know what I'm saying, Like.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was very satisfying to hear that speak.
Speaker 5: Look, I love the I said, I love the I
Speaker 5: think it was satisfying because we've been waiting for this
Speaker 5: moment for like Richard and Emily to snap out of it.
Speaker 1: It really was, we just had to go in an
Speaker 1: empty outer yea reload and empty and again you know
Speaker 1: Emily couldn't be.
Speaker 3: A little Caddy. I think I didn't. I don't love
Speaker 3: I didn't love it when she was very catty about
Speaker 3: that constant woman either and they were like it was
Speaker 3: very gossipy and Caddy. It's just not I don't love it.
Speaker 3: I don't hate it. I just don't love it.
Speaker 1: Well, it's it's interesting because you know we see Emily
Speaker 1: not being her best but while she's being her best self.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, you know, I think there's some I think,
Speaker 3: look and I'm maybe going on a tangent and everybody
Speaker 3: can like rip me. In Missus masl you have some
Speaker 3: similar there's confrontation. I feel like as a writer, it's
Speaker 3: almost like the writing has evolved and become better. The
Speaker 3: mic drops are sort of I don't know, it's not
Speaker 3: quite as Caddy. It's a little bit more like I said,
Speaker 3: Olivia Pope was trying to think of another person like
Speaker 3: in Mazel. There's definitely confrontations that are written.
Speaker 1: Better. Sure, I mean, artists continue to learn and grow,
Speaker 1: uh per project, so you know, everything that they learned
Speaker 1: from Gilmour, they took it too.
Speaker 5: It was also written by definitely what it was written
Speaker 5: by d damn.
Speaker 3: Yeah, really I just have to maybe, Okay, so I'm
Speaker 3: just gonna throw something crazy out there. Y'all can yell
Speaker 3: at me, everybody yell at me. The confrontation was written
Speaker 3: the way a man would do that confrontation, not the
Speaker 3: way a baller woman, oh would have that conferdation.
Speaker 5: I can really see that now that I now that
Speaker 5: we're digging more into like watching it.
Speaker 3: Women just don't. I don't. I just don't think they.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't like I think certain women would.
Speaker 5: I don't think not all.
Speaker 1: I don't think throwing down would Emily.
Speaker 3: No, because you know what, menat pauses a bitch and
Speaker 3: nobody's gonna throw down. No sixty something year old woman
Speaker 3: is throwing down on another woman about weight going up
Speaker 3: and down not happening, especially those women. No way that
Speaker 3: would bond them, just saying they'd be like, oh no, girl,
Speaker 3: right sucks.
Speaker 1: I guess Dan was trying to write something where it
Speaker 1: was going to be easy to understand that, and it
Speaker 1: had to be clear that Emily was done with this woman,
Speaker 1: you know, so it had to Yeah, maybe you're right,
Speaker 1: Maybe you're right. I don't disagree with that.
Speaker 3: We'll let everybody weigh in, because now maybe Emily would
Speaker 3: have would have squashed her like a bug.
Speaker 1: Right, it's an interesting point. It's an interesting point. Maybe
Speaker 1: a man can't write that monologue. Yeah maybe maybe, Yeah,
Speaker 1: interesting point. You're still bombarded, gonna.
Speaker 3: Get I will get. Yeah, I'm anxious to read because
Speaker 3: it's like, it's interesting. It was good, know and look,
Speaker 3: it might be my twenty twenty three eyes, but like
Speaker 3: fat is not all right?
Speaker 1: Okay, rough dude, it's I understand, but it's like I
Speaker 1: got it.
Speaker 3: And the cheating one you could have done classier but
Speaker 3: still done it. I could have I could have been
Speaker 3: here for that. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: That one?
Speaker 3: I would have written it different. Yeah, just saying everybody
Speaker 3: weigh in. I'm not saying I'm right. I'm just saying
Speaker 3: that was sort of hang on.
Speaker 1: Oh god, I just got a text. It's amen, Dan,
Speaker 1: they want us to rewrite the episode. Congratulations.
Speaker 6: I thought you actually got a text. I was like,
Speaker 6: what happened?
Speaker 3: Okay? We give our ratings and I didn't do favorite lines,
Speaker 3: although I did have a lot.
Speaker 1: Oh there's so many going.
Speaker 3: Through my paper. Was my favorite line.
Speaker 5: What was great?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it was so.
Speaker 5: Read it.
Speaker 1: No, let's do favorite lines. Taraw, what's your Okay, that's
Speaker 1: your taraw? What's your favorite line?
Speaker 5: I honestly like that line too.
Speaker 1: Sorry, but you're not able to like, you can't do
Speaker 1: jokes on top of other people's jokes. You can't do
Speaker 1: favorite lines on top of Yeah. Yeah, that's a new
Speaker 1: rule that was slipped in and during a vacation where
Speaker 1: nobody attended, got it, just like they do in Washington.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, they passed the bill. So now you can't
Speaker 1: do so you're gonna have to pick another one.
Speaker 3: We'll come back to that favorite line.
Speaker 4: So I have to acknowledge it's not my favorite line,
Speaker 4: but I have to acknowledge when Richard said what she tackles,
Speaker 4: she conquers, because that's like a classic borism. But my
Speaker 4: favorite line was actually Laurel I when she saw Luke
Speaker 4: coming back from camping, and she says, why are you
Speaker 4: back so soon? Were the woods closed?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that was funny. That actually was funny. It
Speaker 3: was delivered so.
Speaker 6: Well, Tara, I don't have one.
Speaker 5: I'm so sorry on there were a lone. Honestly, anything,
Speaker 5: Paris says usually gets a laugh out of me, so right.
Speaker 1: I think Paris had a lot of great lines. I
Speaker 1: really the one I truly remember the best is a
Speaker 1: laurelized line at the end. It's like you would have
Speaker 1: you would have thought they ran out of glitter.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, I got Yeah. That was good.
Speaker 1: She was there born. It's like a lot of glitter. Okay,
Speaker 1: what are we rating, Tara?
Speaker 5: I am going I actually really minus the the Luke
Speaker 5: and Laurel I storyline. I really liked the episode. I
Speaker 5: am going to give it eight point nine mm Suki
Speaker 5: cold sandwiches.
Speaker 1: Okay, Suzanne, what are you? What are you rating it?
Speaker 4: I'm kind of hot and cold on this episode. I'm
Speaker 4: going to give it seven handfuls of.
Speaker 3: Glitter, eight velcrow wallets.
Speaker 1: Ah, let me see, I'm going to give it.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: Well, since Paris provided most of the humor, I'm going
Speaker 1: to give it nine point one Communist manifestos. Sure I
Speaker 1: enjoyed the episode. I have to enjoyed it, all right.
Speaker 1: That's gonna wrap it up, ladies and germs. Thank you
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