WEBVTT - Weirdhouse Cinema Rewind: Dr. Cyclops

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, welcome to Weird House Cinema. Rewind. This is Rob Lamb.

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<v Speaker 1>We have another older episode of the show for you

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<v Speaker 1>here today. This is going to be one that published

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<v Speaker 1>three twelve, twenty twenty one. It is the nineteen forty

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<v Speaker 1>special effects showcase Doctor Cyclops, from the director of King Kong.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a lot of fun. It is a miniaturized

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<v Speaker 1>people film. Let's jump right in.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, welcome to Weird How Cinema. This is Rob Lamb.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm Joe McCormack, and today we're going to be

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<v Speaker 3>talking about the nineteen forty size related thriller Doctor Cyclops.

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<v Speaker 3>You know that line, that classic Hollywood line about how

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<v Speaker 3>I stayed big it's the pictures that got small. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>you can't say that about this movie, because this movie

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<v Speaker 3>is really truly about actors getting small.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. This is our first nineteen forties film. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean barely since it's a nineteen forty release. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is one I was not familiar with. I've never

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<v Speaker 1>heard of it, despite the fact that it has a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty famous director who we'll get into more about in

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<v Speaker 1>a second. But it's Ernest B. Showedsack, who if that

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<v Speaker 1>name doesn't ring a bell, I think his most famous

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<v Speaker 1>film will for you. It was, of course King Kong.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this movie I thought was a real firecracker, Like

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<v Speaker 3>it looks great, it has amazing special effects. The story

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<v Speaker 3>isn't as complex as you might hope. But then again,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean this was a I don't know, a horror

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<v Speaker 3>thriller of the nineteen thirties and forties, of the Hayes

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<v Speaker 3>Code era, so you can only expect so much moral

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<v Speaker 3>and intellectual complexity. But just as a big special effects thriller,

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<v Speaker 3>the kind of Transformers or Independence Day of nineteen forty,

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's fantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I think that's also only the way you

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<v Speaker 1>have to approach it. It is a it is a

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen forty special effects fiasco, and the special effects very

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<v Speaker 1>much come first. And you know, by today's standards they

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<v Speaker 1>might not look as you know, as amazing. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you but that's again only if you're looking at it

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<v Speaker 1>as a modern viewer and not thinking about the history

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<v Speaker 1>of filmmaking. Because I think if you, if you sit

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<v Speaker 1>there and watch the film in its entirety and keep

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<v Speaker 1>reminding yourself like this is nineteen forty you know, this

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<v Speaker 1>is what had been done before with similar effects, and

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<v Speaker 1>it will impress you.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I think the special effects in this movie do

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<v Speaker 3>look fantastic. I mean, I think they look so much

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<v Speaker 3>better than the quote realistic CGI that floods the films

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<v Speaker 3>of today.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's true, Yeah, I mean it. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's very polished, you know, using the tools of the day.

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<v Speaker 1>It creates I think, some high quality visuals.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is We've talked about a number of mad

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<v Speaker 3>scientist movies, and I'm sure we will talk about many

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<v Speaker 3>more mad scientist movies in the future. Mad Scientists are

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<v Speaker 3>kind of the hub of the wheel of weird house cinema,

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<v Speaker 3>and this particular mad scientist is a mad scientist who

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<v Speaker 3>likes to shrink people with radiation.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, the villainous doctor Thorkle. And yeah, he's pretty great

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<v Speaker 1>because he's you know, I guess his real defining characteristic

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<v Speaker 1>is he's a complete megalomaniac. You know, he already feels

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<v Speaker 1>himself to be a giant among tiny people, and his

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<v Speaker 1>super science just enables him to make that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>an objective reality.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, I think doctor Thorkel would probably shrink you to

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<v Speaker 3>death for the way he pronounced his name. Because of

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<v Speaker 3>the one of the funny things in this movie. So

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<v Speaker 3>his name is spelled t h o r k e L.

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<v Speaker 3>So I read that in like any other normal American

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<v Speaker 3>English speaker, I would think Thorkele.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. If I had to go to an appointment with

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Thorkell, I would call and be like, yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a patient of doctor Thorkle's.

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<v Speaker 3>But the characters in this movie make a really special

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<v Speaker 3>effort to always emphasize the second letter. So it's like

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<v Speaker 3>sar Dough, no, mister, accent on the doe. Here we

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<v Speaker 3>get thor Kel. No mister, it's doctor accent on the kel.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor thor Kel. Yeah. And in this picture, you can,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you can basically, well, here's the Elevator Pitch,

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<v Speaker 1>a mad scientist working in the South American jungle, miniaturizes

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<v Speaker 1>his colleagues when he feels his megalomania is threatened. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's basically it's apocalypse now, but with doctor thor Kel

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<v Speaker 1>instead of Colonel Kurtz. Science instead of war, and miniaturization

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<v Speaker 1>instead of the horror.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd say that's about accurate. Yeah, and well, and instead

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<v Speaker 3>of Martin Sheen. It's a ragtag team of the world's

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<v Speaker 3>greatest scientists and a mule guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And instead of spending like a large portion of

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<v Speaker 1>the film about the journey, that journey is really quick

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<v Speaker 1>in this movie. They just skippy right through it.

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<v Speaker 3>Should we hit that trailer audio?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's hear it.

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<v Speaker 4>Then a crocodile becomes as huge as a prehistoric monster,

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<v Speaker 4>a rifle as unwieldy.

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<v Speaker 3>As a siege gun.

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<v Speaker 4>A terrifying black cat whose jaws me death. A dog

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<v Speaker 4>looms larger than an elephant, dead in the hands of

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<v Speaker 4>a ruthless monster.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So let's talk about the people involved here. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>the one we're going to spend the most time on is,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, the director Ernest B. Shudsack.

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<v Speaker 3>I know almost nothing about the life of shod Sack

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<v Speaker 3>except that he is involved with one of the great

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<v Speaker 3>early special effects and I don't know what you might

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<v Speaker 3>call it science fiction horror films of the big studio era,

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<v Speaker 3>which is King Kong.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean really, King Kong. Despite being very much

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<v Speaker 1>a genre film, it transcends genre like it is it is.

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<v Speaker 1>That film is an icon of cinematic history itself. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of it's kind of difficult to overstate its

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<v Speaker 1>importance in the history of film. But he and certainly

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<v Speaker 1>I think you, mister you Science Theater three thousand fans

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<v Speaker 1>would agree it is a great eight movie. But Shodzak

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<v Speaker 1>also directed another great Epe movie, and that would be

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<v Speaker 1>Mighty Joe Young. So if you're not familiar with King

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<v Speaker 1>Kong for reasons unimaginable, then perhaps you've heard of Mighty

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Young.

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<v Speaker 3>Did that get some kind of remake in the nineteen nineties.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it did. Goodness, I forget who was in it,

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<v Speaker 1>but they had. Mighty Joe Young is a and is

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<v Speaker 1>an enlarged ape as well, but not nearly as enlarged

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<v Speaker 1>as King Kong.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a medium enlarged ape.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I think I've seen some account some comparisons.

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<v Speaker 1>Just in the same way that Godzilla gets keeps getting

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<v Speaker 1>bigger and bigger in films, King Kong also inevitably just

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<v Speaker 1>gets bigger and bigger. But Mighty Joe Young was always

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<v Speaker 1>a smaller giant ape.

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<v Speaker 3>So some of this guy's big movies seem all focused

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<v Speaker 3>on changes in size perspective, either really big creatures or

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<v Speaker 3>really little creatures. Smaller than they're supposed to be. And

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<v Speaker 3>this is funny because I think there were This is

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<v Speaker 3>sort of the A list version of that kind of director,

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<v Speaker 3>but there were also B list versions of that kind

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<v Speaker 3>of director, because you get people like bert I Gordon,

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<v Speaker 3>who made B movies, almost all of which are about

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<v Speaker 3>creatures of unusual size, either like a person or a

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<v Speaker 3>creature that gets shrunken down or creatures that get blown

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<v Speaker 3>up real big.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you know, I think ultimately bird Eye Gordon

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<v Speaker 1>was able to make some really interesting films, but they're

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<v Speaker 1>generally not put on the same pedestal as King Kong.

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<v Speaker 3>None of them look as beautiful as Doctor Cyclops does.

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<v Speaker 3>Another thing that Doctor Cyclops really has going for it

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<v Speaker 3>with the modern release, especially or at least the blu

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<v Speaker 3>ray of it that we watched, it has three color

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<v Speaker 3>Technicolor and the tech color is gorgeous. The colors are

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<v Speaker 3>just dripping off the screen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, in a similar way to Doctor X, though that

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<v Speaker 1>was not technicolor. That was what two tone technicolor.

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<v Speaker 3>Two color technicolor. Yeah, this is three colors. So this

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<v Speaker 3>is like the color you know, color films that would

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<v Speaker 3>come later.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So there's a certain unreality to it. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful and it certainly I mean, I find it more

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<v Speaker 1>engaging than a lot of black and light films of

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<v Speaker 1>the period. Just you know, I guess it depends, like

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<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't want to see mad Love and color. Mad

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<v Speaker 1>Love belongs in black and white, like that is the

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<v Speaker 1>world of that film, but this one really benefits from the.

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<v Speaker 3>Color well and taking place in the jungle. I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like there are a lot of shots in it that

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<v Speaker 3>I wonder if they were only included to take advantage

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<v Speaker 3>of that beautiful three color technicolor, Like like there are

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<v Speaker 3>parts where it will just cut away to some kind

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<v Speaker 3>of tropical bird that is squawking in a tree, and

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we see all of its beautiful feathers.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you know before three D there was there

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<v Speaker 1>was technicolor.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, it's quite quite a beautiful looking film. So let's

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about the director behind it again. Ernest b.

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<v Speaker 1>Showed Zach who lived eighteen ninety three through nineteen seventy nine.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not going to really be able to touch on

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<v Speaker 1>his entire biography here, but if you want a good one,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you can go to the usual places. I

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<v Speaker 1>found Britannica had a nice one online. But here's some

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<v Speaker 1>of the interesting points, sort of the bullet points of

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<v Speaker 1>his life that I think are with driving home here. So,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, he ran away from home as a

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<v Speaker 1>teenager and worked as a surveyor in San Francisco. He

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<v Speaker 1>got a job as a cameraman from help with help

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<v Speaker 1>from his brother in nineteen fourteen, and then during the

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<v Speaker 1>First World War he served as a cameraman in the

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<v Speaker 1>Signal Corps in France. He stayed in Europe after that

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<v Speaker 1>he got involved in adventure filmmaking. So this is this

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<v Speaker 1>is interesting because it makes sense given the nature of

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<v Speaker 1>films like King Kong. But it also, you know, it

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<v Speaker 1>seems to run, you know, against the grain if you

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<v Speaker 1>think about his success in fiction, because earlier on it's

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<v Speaker 1>less purely fictional. There's a certain documentary aspect to it,

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<v Speaker 1>like fictionalized documentary work. So he served with the Red

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<v Speaker 1>Cross in nineteen nineteen, helped refugees from the Russo Polish War,

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<v Speaker 1>and he also filmed this conflict as well as the

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<v Speaker 1>Greco Turkish War of nineteen twenty one through twenty two,

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<v Speaker 1>and in this he essentially wound up working as a

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<v Speaker 1>conflict journalist and was then sponsored by the New York

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<v Speaker 1>Times as a cameraman on an around the world expedition. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>so he worked on this. He worked with a pilot

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<v Speaker 1>by the name of Marion C. Cooper, and then began

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<v Speaker 1>producing what they called natural dramas, which were a kind

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<v Speaker 1>of combination of travelog and drama. This is super fascinating

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<v Speaker 1>given what we've covered. Stuff to blow your mind before.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen twenty five, he joined William Beebe's expedition to

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<v Speaker 1>the Galapagos Islands as a cameraman. Ah.

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<v Speaker 3>Now William Biebe was if you'll called the was he

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<v Speaker 3>a marine biologist. He was a researcher who who got

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<v Speaker 3>down into a basically a gigantic metal ball that just

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<v Speaker 3>was dangled down deep into the ocean to see what

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<v Speaker 3>kind of life could be observed through a tiny window

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<v Speaker 3>in this ball at depths that had never before been

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<v Speaker 3>documented firsthand. Yeah, the bathosphere horrifying because this ball had

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<v Speaker 3>no means of self propulsion. It was not a submersible,

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<v Speaker 3>It was not a submarine. It was just a hollow

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<v Speaker 3>metal sphere and dangling by a chain. So if the

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<v Speaker 3>chain breaks, you just sink to the bottom. Of the Ocean.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, but he was as we discussed in past episodes

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<v Speaker 1>of Stuff to Blow Your Mind. He was also notable

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<v Speaker 1>because he tended to surround himself not only with technicians

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<v Speaker 1>on these expeditions, but also artists like people who could

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<v Speaker 1>write about it, people who could illustrate what was going on.

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<v Speaker 1>And it turns out Showed Sac was one of the

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<v Speaker 1>creatives that he brought a board to document the work

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<v Speaker 1>at least on one of the expeditions.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, I think the bath fear of observations were not

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<v Speaker 3>in the Galapago, so that was somewhere in the Atlantic

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<v Speaker 3>of itself, what Bermuda, or somewhere in the Bahamas.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I believe, So this would have been a yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this would have been a different journey. But still it's

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful how these two came together. I wasn't expecting him

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<v Speaker 1>to come up in this so anyway, from here Showed

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<v Speaker 1>Sac and Cooper, they go on to produce a natural

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<v Speaker 1>drama titled Chang, a Drama of the Wilderness from twenty

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<v Speaker 1>set in nineteen twenty seven. This earned a nomination for

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<v Speaker 1>Best Picture at the very first Academy Awards. He then

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<v Speaker 1>directed The Four Feathers in nineteen twenty nine, based on

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen oh two novel, shot in California and the Sudan.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he shot Rango in Sumatra, which was a

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<v Speaker 1>film about and this just sounds like super ambitious for

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<v Speaker 1>any filmmaker because it's about a boy and a rangutang

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<v Speaker 1>and a tiger, filmed in thirty one. Again, then he

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<v Speaker 1>shot The Most Dangerous Game in thirty two.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, wait, didn't we just talk about No, we

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<v Speaker 3>talked about Ernest Dickerson's Survivor Is it Surviving the Game?

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<v Speaker 1>Surviving the Game? Yep?

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<v Speaker 3>The Iced Tea movie, which which is sort of a

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<v Speaker 3>based on the similar concept the novella or novel The

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<v Speaker 3>Most Dangerous Game, which is about a human who hunts men.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and so it's been popular for a while. It's

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<v Speaker 1>one of those those stories that's going to keep getting

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<v Speaker 1>adapted in one form or the other. Now. From here,

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<v Speaker 1>Showtech and Cooper moved on to what would be the

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<v Speaker 1>most famous motion picture that they worked on, and that

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<v Speaker 1>was King Kong of nineteen thirty three, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>followed this up with the Sun of Kong, which also

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<v Speaker 1>came out in nineteen thirty three, and then they did.

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<v Speaker 1>They also did a movie titled Blind Adventure, which also

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<v Speaker 1>came out in nineteen thirty three. So it was quite

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<v Speaker 1>for these.

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<v Speaker 3>Two regular Roger Corman over here. This is like Roger

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<v Speaker 3>Corman's in nineteen fifty seven or whatever your year it

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<v Speaker 3>was that he made like fourteen movies.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, so yeah, an impressive year. They were really

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<v Speaker 1>just firing on all cylinders. Now, in nineteen thirty five

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<v Speaker 1>they made a film titled The Last Days of POMPEII,

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<v Speaker 1>and this was an ultimately, at least commercially, a failed

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<v Speaker 1>attempt at an historical epic. So after this, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they were kind of, I guess in some version of

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<v Speaker 1>director's jail. He ended up doing smaller pictures. But then

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<v Speaker 1>he got another shot at a big genre film, a

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<v Speaker 1>special effects feature, and that is nineteen forty's Doctor Cyclops.

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<v Speaker 1>And Cooper was an uncredited producer on this film. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>of course we'll get back to selector Cyclops in depth here.

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<v Speaker 1>But World War II broke out and should Zach was

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<v Speaker 1>like a lot of people sucked into the war machine.

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<v Speaker 1>A knew, and while testing photographic equipment at high altitude

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<v Speaker 1>for the US Army Air Corps, he suffered a severe

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<v Speaker 1>eye injury. I was trying to get like a firm

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<v Speaker 1>account of it. If there's a good biography about showed Zach.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't able to find one, like a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like a book length biography. I believe what happened is

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<v Speaker 1>he accidentally dropped his face mask. I'm and I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>little foggy on the exact nature of what the injury was,

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<v Speaker 1>if we're talking about like some sort of a light

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<v Speaker 1>blast based injury or of its pressure based, but the

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<v Speaker 1>end result was severely damaged his eyesight. And he only

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<v Speaker 1>directed a couple of additional films, really only one notable

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<v Speaker 1>film after that, and this was Mighty Joe Young in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen forty nine, which featured Oscar winning special effects by

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<v Speaker 1>O'Brien and Ray Harry Housen. Oh god, yeah, yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>another big name. And then he finally directed a portion

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<v Speaker 1>of This Is Cinerama in nineteen fifty two, uncredited to

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<v Speaker 1>promote the Cinerama widescreen projection process. But that was pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much yet, like after this eye injury, you know, he

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<v Speaker 1>just wasn't able and or you know, or didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to direct. I think it was, you know, more about

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<v Speaker 1>ability and then he died in nineteen seventy nine. Cooper

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<v Speaker 1>died in nineteen seventy three. He did a bit more

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<v Speaker 1>work after Mighty Joe Young came out, including serving as

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<v Speaker 1>executive producer on nineteen fifty six as The Searchers, directed

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<v Speaker 1>by John Ford and starring, of course John Wayne.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a fantastic coincidence how this story about his

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<v Speaker 3>damaged eyesight connects to the plot of Doctor Cyclops. It

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<v Speaker 3>almost makes me wonder, do you know what exactly the

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<v Speaker 3>time of his injury was. Could it have been before

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<v Speaker 3>Doctor Cyclops or was it after?

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that's that's the weird thing about this. I've

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<v Speaker 1>not been able to find like a firm date for

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<v Speaker 1>this injury, you know, like a statement, you know, in

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<v Speaker 1>this year or in this month this is when showed

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<v Speaker 1>Sack suffered the eye injury. But it's it's my understanding

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<v Speaker 1>that that the the eye injury occurred after Doctor Cyclops. Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Because so we'll get into this a little bit more

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<v Speaker 3>when we discuss the plot. But one of the main

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<v Speaker 3>uh situation points of Doctor Cyclops is that the the

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<v Speaker 3>titular doctor uh doctor Thorkel is a is a brilliant

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<v Speaker 3>scientist but he's limited by damage to his eyes. He

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<v Speaker 3>has got poor eyesight already and relies on these really

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<v Speaker 3>thick glasses.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so this is this is just mysterious to me,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's either an amazing coincidence or I have it

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<v Speaker 1>wrong and there is more connective tissue here, like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe he had you know, previously damaged his eyes in

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<v Speaker 1>some fashion, or his eyesight was already fading. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure you know what the answer is here. But as

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out, like his actual biography and in some

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<v Speaker 1>of the plot elements in Doctor Cyclops do line up.

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<v Speaker 3>Now. He did not write Doctor Cyclops though correct right.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Cyclops was written by a writer by the name

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<v Speaker 1>of Tom Kilpatrick who lived eighteen ninety eight through nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty two, and you can look him up on IMDb.

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<v Speaker 1>But basically he wrote various crime in Western screenplays and teleplays,

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<v Speaker 1>but nothing that really jumped out to me personally.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, the script here is not really anything to

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<v Speaker 3>write home about, except in the skillful way that it

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<v Speaker 3>string that it efficiently strings together excellent special effects set pieces.

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<v Speaker 3>But you're not going to like run into interesting character

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<v Speaker 3>development or like super witty dialogue in this movie. This

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<v Speaker 3>is very much a sets and special effects driven film,

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<v Speaker 3>but I will give the script credit for connecting each

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<v Speaker 3>one of those things to the next in a very

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<v Speaker 3>fast paced and enjoyable way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. All right, well let's talk about doctor Thorkel. In

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<v Speaker 1>this film, he is played by an actor by the

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<v Speaker 1>name of Albert Decker who lived nineteen oh five through

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty eight. He was a Broadway star turn film actor,

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<v Speaker 1>and later in his life he served on the California

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<v Speaker 1>State Legislature and largely transitioned back to stage. In his

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<v Speaker 1>later career. He often played aggressive characters, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>probably due to his great size. So he was six two,

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<v Speaker 1>which granted isn't like super tall, but it's I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's reasonably tall. I'm six two or so, and I

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<v Speaker 1>bought my head way too often.

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<v Speaker 3>It's big in this movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I think part of that too, is that

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<v Speaker 1>not only is he six two, but he's he's got

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a thick physique, like not you know, not

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<v Speaker 1>obese or anything, but he has this kind of he

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<v Speaker 1>looks kind of beefy, especially for a mad scientist in

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<v Speaker 1>a movie. Usually they're a bit scrawnier and like doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Thorkel looks like he could really throw down.

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<v Speaker 3>You would not want to tangle with Thorkel, right.

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<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, this guy Albert Decker played him. Notable roles

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<v Speaker 1>for him include roles in Kiss Me Deadly and East

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<v Speaker 1>of Eden, which was fifty five I believe, as well

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<v Speaker 1>as his last film role, which was in nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 1>nine's The Wild Bunch.

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<v Speaker 4>Ah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the hyper violent Sam Peckinpah movie in which I

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<v Speaker 3>think he plays. He plays some kind of like railroad

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<v Speaker 3>policeman or like a railway detective. He's hunting the outlaws

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<v Speaker 3>in the movie. If I recall, Ah, that's one that

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<v Speaker 3>I have.

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<v Speaker 1>Somehow I managed to get through my twenties and thirties

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<v Speaker 1>without seeing The Wild Bunch.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a dusty, dirty, nasty, violent movie. It makes

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<v Speaker 3>you need a bath. In fact, I would say the

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<v Speaker 3>full vibe of that movie is some up. In one exchange,

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<v Speaker 3>the outlaws arrive at the at the compound of this

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<v Speaker 3>powerful guy, and the guy says to them like, you're filthy,

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<v Speaker 3>you need baths. And one of the outlaws says, we

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<v Speaker 3>don't want baths, we want women.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds delightful.

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<v Speaker 3>One sentence that communicates a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well in this film, yeah, like like we've said,

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<v Speaker 1>he's he's delightful. He's got this wonderful, imposing physical presence.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got these you know, these scheming eyes that are

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<v Speaker 1>accentuated by his his his glasses, bald head in evil mustache.

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<v Speaker 1>And I have to say he was reminding me of

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<v Speaker 1>somebody as I was watching this, and I figured out

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<v Speaker 1>who it is. It's British actor Julian Barrett, who mighty

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<v Speaker 1>boosche fans out there. You might recognize him as the

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<v Speaker 1>actor who played Howard Moon, but he also showed up

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<v Speaker 1>on Dark Place with Darth Morangi as a priest, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and he also was in something recently he was. He

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<v Speaker 1>was the titular character in Mindhorn, which I've heard good

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<v Speaker 1>things about.

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<v Speaker 3>I never caught him in Dark Place, but I should

0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:10.760
<v Speaker 3>go back and watch that whole series again in one sitting.

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<v Speaker 1>It's ironically it is the ape heavy episode I believe.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, Howard Moon or Julian Barrett same height as

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<v Speaker 1>as Albert Decker, and I feel like Doctor Thorkel could

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<v Speaker 1>have easily been a Julian Barrett character. I included a

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<v Speaker 1>photos here if you can compare the two like they

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<v Speaker 1>just they have very similar physicality facial features. Both are

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<v Speaker 1>prone to wearing a mustache, So I include that for

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<v Speaker 1>what it's worth.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I can see and like Doctor Thorkel, he's gonna

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<v Speaker 3>hurt you real bad.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. So there are other humans in this film,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll touch on them with in less detail because

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<v Speaker 1>there's not much else for non Doctor Thorkel characters to

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<v Speaker 1>do in this film.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I would say they execute their functions correctly,

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<v Speaker 3>which is to move the plot from one fantastic set

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<v Speaker 3>and prop sort of extravaganza to another.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and do so, you know, with a serious look

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<v Speaker 1>on their face. So the first one to mention here

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<v Speaker 1>is Thomas Coley, who plays Bill Stockton. He lived nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen through nineteen eighty nine. This was his very first

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<v Speaker 1>film role, followed by mostly a lot of TV work.

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<v Speaker 1>His partner was actor and writer William Rock and Roorick

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<v Speaker 1>was a theater actor on Broadway who is also in

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<v Speaker 1>Not of This Earth.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh wow, So that was the nineteen fifty seven Roger

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<v Speaker 3>Korman movie that we have covered on a previous episode

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<v Speaker 3>of Weird House Cinema. It was I believe the b

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<v Speaker 3>side to Attack of the Crab Monsters. So if in

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<v Speaker 3>fifty seven you went out to a drive in theater

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<v Speaker 3>to watch a sci fi double feature, you may well

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<v Speaker 3>have seen Attack of the Crab Monsters and then Not

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<v Speaker 3>of This Earth with this guy. What was his name again,

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<v Speaker 3>William Rorick?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, William Rourick.

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<v Speaker 3>He was the doctor in the movie. I think, not

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<v Speaker 3>to be mean, I think we did not draw a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of attention to his performance in the movie because

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<v Speaker 3>there's not much to say about it except his character.

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<v Speaker 3>If you recall, he played doctor Rochelle, who was the

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<v Speaker 3>blood clinic doctor who gets hypnotized by the aliens so

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<v Speaker 3>that he's unable to talk about the alien's blood condition.

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<v Speaker 3>So so other characters would you know. They'd be sitting

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<v Speaker 3>at a table in a restaurant and the other characters

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<v Speaker 3>would be like, don't you think it's strange that that

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<v Speaker 3>man had alien blood? And Doctor Rochelle would be like,

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<v Speaker 3>you guys want to get some appetizers.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yes, I wasn't the most memorable of roles, but

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<v Speaker 1>Rock was in a number of interesting films, though several

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<v Speaker 1>of which I've seen. He was in God told me

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<v Speaker 1>to This was the with the Larry Cohen film about

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<v Speaker 1>alien Messiah's. He was in Day of the Dolphin, he

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<v Speaker 1>was in The Wasp Woman, and he was a friend.

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<v Speaker 1>This is interesting biographically. He was a friend of author

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<v Speaker 1>Iam Forrester and Coley and Rorick. Apparently they would like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, entertain him when he was in town, that

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<v Speaker 1>sort of thing. They'd go out and see shows and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, that's the connect They're all connected here to Koley.

0:24:17.400 --> 0:24:20.480
<v Speaker 1>Coley is the one in this film, not Rorick, but

0:24:20.520 --> 0:24:23.040
<v Speaker 1>the two of them apparently collaborated on various projects over

0:24:23.080 --> 0:24:24.760
<v Speaker 1>the course of their careers and lives together.

0:24:25.080 --> 0:24:28.840
<v Speaker 3>Coley plays the like sort of lead love interest in

0:24:28.880 --> 0:24:32.199
<v Speaker 3>the movie. He's the only character who's hunky enough to

0:24:32.359 --> 0:24:35.879
<v Speaker 3>potentially end up falling in love with the one female character,

0:24:36.080 --> 0:24:38.040
<v Speaker 3>so you kind of know what's gonna happen.

0:24:38.200 --> 0:24:41.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a very g golly role. And again this

0:24:41.880 --> 0:24:44.479
<v Speaker 1>was his first screen role to boot, so the results

0:24:44.520 --> 0:24:47.480
<v Speaker 1>are very wooden. There's just not much to this part here,

0:24:47.520 --> 0:24:49.800
<v Speaker 1>but that still it seems like he had an interesting

0:24:49.840 --> 0:24:53.240
<v Speaker 1>life and career. All right, let's talk about the what

0:24:53.359 --> 0:24:56.679
<v Speaker 1>the sole female character in this film. The character is

0:24:56.680 --> 0:25:00.440
<v Speaker 1>doctor Mary Robinson. The actor is Janice Logan was born

0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:03.200
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen fifteen died in nineteen sixty five. She only

0:25:03.240 --> 0:25:06.480
<v Speaker 1>appeared in six films, and this was her third. But

0:25:06.960 --> 0:25:10.080
<v Speaker 1>here here's again a nice connection to the previous episode

0:25:10.160 --> 0:25:13.480
<v Speaker 1>of Weird House Cinema. Her last two film roles were

0:25:13.480 --> 0:25:17.119
<v Speaker 1>both Mexican films directed by Renee Cardona.

0:25:17.600 --> 0:25:20.520
<v Speaker 3>The director of Santo in the Treasure of Dracula.

0:25:20.240 --> 0:25:25.800
<v Speaker 1>Exactly, yes, a major name in Mexican cinema, so both

0:25:25.800 --> 0:25:29.080
<v Speaker 1>were of these films were from nineteen forty four. One

0:25:29.400 --> 0:25:31.560
<v Speaker 1>the translated name is The Black Ace and the other

0:25:31.640 --> 0:25:35.399
<v Speaker 1>is Summer Hotel. And I was looking this up. The

0:25:35.440 --> 0:25:39.800
<v Speaker 1>Black Ace also featured a Dutch occultist and magician named

0:25:40.080 --> 0:25:44.199
<v Speaker 1>David Tobias Bamberg who built himself as Fu Manchu and

0:25:44.280 --> 0:25:47.800
<v Speaker 1>Bamberg also co wrote it. But yeah, which I don't know.

0:25:48.000 --> 0:25:51.240
<v Speaker 1>It sounds like he was sort of an occult star

0:25:51.560 --> 0:25:54.199
<v Speaker 1>or would be star of the day, and so he

0:25:54.280 --> 0:25:56.359
<v Speaker 1>just I guess he wound up in Mexico City and

0:25:56.440 --> 0:26:00.000
<v Speaker 1>was like, Hey, let's do a movie anyway. Logan is

0:26:00.119 --> 0:26:03.439
<v Speaker 1>also rather wooden in this role, but it's not like

0:26:03.480 --> 0:26:05.520
<v Speaker 1>the film gives her much to do other than scurry

0:26:05.520 --> 0:26:07.800
<v Speaker 1>around and try not to be grabbed by giant hands

0:26:07.880 --> 0:26:11.040
<v Speaker 1>or eaten by giant cats. Then we have the character

0:26:11.080 --> 0:26:14.000
<v Speaker 1>of doctor Bullfinch played by Charles Halton who lived eighteen

0:26:14.000 --> 0:26:16.800
<v Speaker 1>seventy six through nineteen fifty nine. Actor of stage and film.

0:26:17.240 --> 0:26:19.359
<v Speaker 1>I would say he has a little more to do

0:26:19.400 --> 0:26:22.760
<v Speaker 1>in this. He's actually pretty funny because he's this stuck

0:26:22.840 --> 0:26:25.880
<v Speaker 1>up professor through and through, even after he's been reduced

0:26:25.920 --> 0:26:28.480
<v Speaker 1>to a tiny human wearing a handkerchief toga.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. He refuses a lot of things in the movie,

0:26:31.280 --> 0:26:34.000
<v Speaker 3>like he's constantly being told to do things and saying like.

0:26:34.000 --> 0:26:39.800
<v Speaker 1>I refuse yes on scientific grounds, doctor Thorkel. I absolutely, yeah,

0:26:39.800 --> 0:26:43.520
<v Speaker 1>that kind of thing. Yea, let's see. Then we have

0:26:44.119 --> 0:26:48.120
<v Speaker 1>the character of Steve Baker played by Victor Chillian who

0:26:48.119 --> 0:26:50.560
<v Speaker 1>lived eighteen ninety one through nineteen seventy nine. He was

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<v Speaker 1>in films like Only Angels Have Wings and the ox

0:26:53.119 --> 0:26:56.840
<v Speaker 1>Bow Incident. He wound up blacklisted from Hollywood, presumably for

0:26:57.040 --> 0:26:59.639
<v Speaker 1>political beliefs, but he ended up doing a lot of

0:26:59.640 --> 0:27:02.640
<v Speaker 1>TV and stage work instead after that. And I mean

0:27:02.800 --> 0:27:04.920
<v Speaker 1>he's all right in this. He's also it's a very

0:27:04.920 --> 0:27:07.800
<v Speaker 1>typical type of performance and role for this time period.

0:27:07.960 --> 0:27:11.040
<v Speaker 3>He's the mule guy. He's all about the mules.

0:27:11.320 --> 0:27:15.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right. Next, we have an actor by the

0:27:15.960 --> 0:27:21.480
<v Speaker 1>name of Frank Jacanelli who plays the character Pedro. So

0:27:22.240 --> 0:27:24.520
<v Speaker 1>this guy lived eighteen ninety eight through nineteen sixty five.

0:27:24.600 --> 0:27:27.040
<v Speaker 1>He was an Italian born World War One vet who

0:27:27.040 --> 0:27:30.320
<v Speaker 1>became a natralized US citizen, and he was a vaudeville

0:27:30.400 --> 0:27:34.800
<v Speaker 1>performer later a USO tour manager. He played a lot

0:27:34.800 --> 0:27:37.000
<v Speaker 1>of Italian characters, as one might admit, but he also

0:27:37.400 --> 0:27:41.160
<v Speaker 1>expect rather but he also seemed to have a lot

0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:45.600
<v Speaker 1>of roles in films playing stereotypical Mexican characters. And in

0:27:45.640 --> 0:27:48.320
<v Speaker 1>this film he plays Pedro, which is very much a

0:27:48.359 --> 0:27:49.959
<v Speaker 1>goofy stereotype character.

0:27:50.200 --> 0:27:52.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they don't say what nationality Pedro is supposed to be,

0:27:52.760 --> 0:27:55.880
<v Speaker 3>but he is playing a Latin American character. Pedro who

0:27:55.960 --> 0:27:58.320
<v Speaker 3>at least definitely in the first half of the movie

0:27:58.600 --> 0:28:02.200
<v Speaker 3>movie as the butt some jokes yeah about like trying

0:28:02.280 --> 0:28:04.880
<v Speaker 3>to find his lost horse, which has actually been shrunken

0:28:04.960 --> 0:28:05.680
<v Speaker 3>with a shrink ray.

0:28:06.000 --> 0:28:10.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So you know, this was a you know, a

0:28:10.040 --> 0:28:14.320
<v Speaker 1>casting situation that definitely made me sigh a bit. But

0:28:15.080 --> 0:28:17.520
<v Speaker 1>if you want to know more about the Yack and Ellie.

0:28:17.640 --> 0:28:21.680
<v Speaker 1>I did find a page on Bewesterns dot com like

0:28:21.880 --> 0:28:25.119
<v Speaker 1>bee Hyphenwesterns dot com that that has like seems to

0:28:25.160 --> 0:28:27.480
<v Speaker 1>be the only place I could find online, Like you

0:28:27.520 --> 0:28:30.199
<v Speaker 1>can only find much of a biography of him on IMDb,

0:28:30.240 --> 0:28:32.480
<v Speaker 1>but this site gets a little more into like his

0:28:32.640 --> 0:28:35.040
<v Speaker 1>what kind of audeville acts he was involved in, and

0:28:35.080 --> 0:28:37.280
<v Speaker 1>he did seem to kind of make a career in

0:28:37.320 --> 0:28:41.880
<v Speaker 1>places out of playing a Mexican stereotype, and certainly that's

0:28:41.920 --> 0:28:44.640
<v Speaker 1>what more or less he's doing in this film. Now,

0:28:44.720 --> 0:28:50.360
<v Speaker 1>another interesting character that is involved in this film ultimately uncredited,

0:28:50.640 --> 0:28:53.040
<v Speaker 1>but there's a guy by the name of Charles Gemora

0:28:53.560 --> 0:28:56.360
<v Speaker 1>who lived nineteen oh three through nineteen sixty one, and

0:28:56.400 --> 0:29:00.440
<v Speaker 1>he's an uncredited makeup artist on this film. You familiar

0:29:00.480 --> 0:29:03.040
<v Speaker 1>with this guy before Joe Well.

0:29:02.880 --> 0:29:05.120
<v Speaker 3>I guess by his work, but not by name.

0:29:05.480 --> 0:29:07.720
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So he was born in the Philippines. He was

0:29:07.720 --> 0:29:10.720
<v Speaker 1>a Hollywood makeup artist who became known as the King

0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:14.720
<v Speaker 1>of the Gorilla Men. And it's interesting how this came to be, Like,

0:29:14.760 --> 0:29:17.760
<v Speaker 1>apparently he's a guy who would he would hang around

0:29:17.800 --> 0:29:20.280
<v Speaker 1>outside the studio and he would he would offer to

0:29:20.320 --> 0:29:22.520
<v Speaker 1>paint for you or draw for you, like he had

0:29:23.080 --> 0:29:25.160
<v Speaker 1>sort of an innate and I'm guessing kind of like

0:29:25.240 --> 0:29:29.000
<v Speaker 1>self taught artistic ability. And of course people eventually notice

0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:30.400
<v Speaker 1>this and they're like, Oh, bring this guy in, we

0:29:30.520 --> 0:29:33.680
<v Speaker 1>got some stuff to paint. Let's get him going. And

0:29:33.680 --> 0:29:36.240
<v Speaker 1>and I guess he was up for anything. And at

0:29:36.280 --> 0:29:39.000
<v Speaker 1>one point in one of these films, they busted out

0:29:39.000 --> 0:29:41.600
<v Speaker 1>a gorilla suit and he's like, Hey, that should be me.

0:29:42.200 --> 0:29:44.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm the right just the right height. I've got the

0:29:44.240 --> 0:29:47.800
<v Speaker 1>physicality to carry this heavy suit. Let me get in there.

0:29:48.240 --> 0:29:51.280
<v Speaker 1>And so that's what he did. And aside to doing

0:29:51.280 --> 0:29:52.920
<v Speaker 1>a lot of he did a lot of monster makeup

0:29:52.960 --> 0:29:55.520
<v Speaker 1>in other films. But he had and he has sixty

0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:59.680
<v Speaker 1>makeup credits on IMDb, but he also has sixty acting credits,

0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:04.080
<v Speaker 1>most of which are playing gorillas wearing gorilla costumes. And

0:30:04.440 --> 0:30:06.320
<v Speaker 1>so if I do recommend looking him up because it's

0:30:06.400 --> 0:30:09.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of amazing, Like if there was a gorilla costume

0:30:09.000 --> 0:30:11.680
<v Speaker 1>in a film, this was often the guy that was

0:30:11.760 --> 0:30:15.040
<v Speaker 1>wearing it. In addition to some you know, aliens here

0:30:15.080 --> 0:30:17.440
<v Speaker 1>and there, he definitely did some alien costumes and other

0:30:17.520 --> 0:30:20.880
<v Speaker 1>kind of like humanoid monster costumes. But his specialty was

0:30:20.920 --> 0:30:21.840
<v Speaker 1>the gorilla costume.

0:30:22.000 --> 0:30:24.040
<v Speaker 3>Oh and I see what do you know? He's in

0:30:24.080 --> 0:30:27.040
<v Speaker 3>at least one adaptation of The Murders in the Room Morgue.

0:30:27.280 --> 0:30:30.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. In addition to being an actor and an artist,

0:30:31.000 --> 0:30:33.360
<v Speaker 1>he was also an inventor and he held, actually held

0:30:33.360 --> 0:30:35.800
<v Speaker 1>a couple of patents, including a I would look these

0:30:35.880 --> 0:30:39.320
<v Speaker 1>up on Google scholar, a sanitary pad holder, and a

0:30:39.400 --> 0:30:44.520
<v Speaker 1>tissue dispenser. Wow. Yeah, so interesting fella. Now again, he

0:30:44.600 --> 0:30:46.560
<v Speaker 1>was just a you know, makeup guy in this The

0:30:46.760 --> 0:30:50.960
<v Speaker 1>two main special effects names were of Farcio Edward and

0:30:51.080 --> 0:30:55.000
<v Speaker 1>Gordon Jennings. These were the two that were nominated for

0:30:55.080 --> 0:30:57.920
<v Speaker 1>an OSCAR for the special effects in this film for

0:30:57.960 --> 0:31:01.640
<v Speaker 1>the thirteenth Academy Awards. They ultimately lost to the Thief

0:31:01.640 --> 0:31:05.680
<v Speaker 1>of Bagdad. But these are some impressive special effects. Like

0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:09.520
<v Speaker 1>we said, they're impressive for their time. It's not the

0:31:09.560 --> 0:31:13.920
<v Speaker 1>first time that we see miniaturized humans or giant animals

0:31:13.920 --> 0:31:17.880
<v Speaker 1>in a film. Certainly Todd Browning's nineteen thirty six film

0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:22.080
<v Speaker 1>The Devil Doll predates it, but this film makes some

0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:26.320
<v Speaker 1>impressive use of supersized sets, giant hands, creative combinations of footage.

0:31:26.480 --> 0:31:29.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the special effects in this film are really top notch.

0:31:29.360 --> 0:31:31.600
<v Speaker 3>I was trying to think of earlier examples of really

0:31:31.600 --> 0:31:35.760
<v Speaker 3>good looking special effects for miniaturized humans, and I recall

0:31:35.920 --> 0:31:37.720
<v Speaker 3>the main example I could think of there are the

0:31:37.920 --> 0:31:41.880
<v Speaker 3>excellent shrunken human effects in Bride of Frankenstein. Oh Yes,

0:31:42.120 --> 0:31:45.320
<v Speaker 3>by James Whale, which was released in nineteen thirty five.

0:31:45.880 --> 0:31:48.640
<v Speaker 3>Now you might remember in that movie when we first meet,

0:31:49.160 --> 0:31:52.560
<v Speaker 3>you could argue the villain of the film, Doctor Septimus Pretorius,

0:31:53.080 --> 0:31:56.360
<v Speaker 3>also just one of my favorite mad scientists in movies,

0:31:56.880 --> 0:32:00.680
<v Speaker 3>Doctor Thorkel and doctor Septimus Pretorious. They're really up there

0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:02.920
<v Speaker 3>in the canons of mad science in the first few

0:32:02.920 --> 0:32:05.640
<v Speaker 3>decades of studio motion pictures.

0:32:06.040 --> 0:32:10.120
<v Speaker 1>I love doctor Pretorius because in the Frankenstein film, Brider

0:32:10.160 --> 0:32:13.680
<v Speaker 1>Frankenstein's he's such a mad science enabler, you know. Yes,

0:32:13.800 --> 0:32:16.120
<v Speaker 1>Frankenstein is like, I can't do it anymore. I'm emotionally

0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:18.239
<v Speaker 1>rotted from that last film, and he's like, no, no,

0:32:18.560 --> 0:32:20.120
<v Speaker 1>we've got to get you back in there. We've got

0:32:20.120 --> 0:32:21.640
<v Speaker 1>to get you back in there. You can do it.

0:32:21.920 --> 0:32:22.920
<v Speaker 1>Let's do some evil.

0:32:23.800 --> 0:32:27.200
<v Speaker 3>There's also a great part in Right at Frankenstein where

0:32:27.200 --> 0:32:31.160
<v Speaker 3>we see doctor Pretorius just going down into a crypt

0:32:31.840 --> 0:32:34.280
<v Speaker 3>just to have like a midnight snack. Like he goes

0:32:34.360 --> 0:32:37.240
<v Speaker 3>down into a crypt at night for a picnic. He

0:32:37.360 --> 0:32:40.000
<v Speaker 3>lays out a spread with like food and wine and

0:32:40.040 --> 0:32:42.520
<v Speaker 3>stuff on a big tombstone. It's wonderful.

0:32:42.720 --> 0:32:44.720
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, I forgot about that part.

0:32:45.320 --> 0:32:47.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but I think it's like, right when we first

0:32:47.840 --> 0:32:50.360
<v Speaker 3>meet doctor Pretorius in the movie, I think, what is it.

0:32:50.800 --> 0:32:53.280
<v Speaker 3>Who is it who's playing doctor Frankenstein in the movie.

0:32:53.280 --> 0:32:54.120
<v Speaker 3>Is it Colin Clive.

0:32:54.360 --> 0:32:55.640
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's Colin Clive.

0:32:55.720 --> 0:32:55.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:32:55.920 --> 0:32:59.400
<v Speaker 3>So he's meeting with Colin Clive and he's like showing

0:32:59.440 --> 0:33:03.920
<v Speaker 3>off his latest work, which are these jars of homemade homunculi.

0:33:04.160 --> 0:33:07.560
<v Speaker 3>So he's got like tiny humans in jars, and I

0:33:07.560 --> 0:33:10.600
<v Speaker 3>think he has like a tiny king in one glass vial,

0:33:10.720 --> 0:33:14.160
<v Speaker 3>and a tiny queen and another. I don't really recall

0:33:14.240 --> 0:33:16.960
<v Speaker 3>this special effect relating to the plot much. Maybe I'm

0:33:17.000 --> 0:33:19.240
<v Speaker 3>forgetting how it connects, But no.

0:33:19.320 --> 0:33:21.440
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't really. It's just like, look at what I

0:33:21.480 --> 0:33:25.240
<v Speaker 1>can do. Yeah, I'm pretty great. You're great. Let's work

0:33:25.240 --> 0:33:28.440
<v Speaker 1>together and you will do great mad sciencey things.

0:33:28.600 --> 0:33:28.719
<v Speaker 2>Well.

0:33:28.760 --> 0:33:30.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it seems like one of those things that I

0:33:30.800 --> 0:33:35.400
<v Speaker 3>suspect often happened in early Special effects driven movies like this,

0:33:35.480 --> 0:33:38.760
<v Speaker 3>which is that somebody had figured out how to do

0:33:38.960 --> 0:33:41.720
<v Speaker 3>a certain kind of effect in a way that looked good,

0:33:41.840 --> 0:33:44.040
<v Speaker 3>so you just find a way to work it into

0:33:44.040 --> 0:33:45.840
<v Speaker 3>the movie. It's like, well, we can do it, why

0:33:45.880 --> 0:33:50.760
<v Speaker 3>not do it? So let's get a homunculus in this movie. Yeah,

0:33:51.000 --> 0:33:53.360
<v Speaker 3>and I didn't look deep into it. But as a

0:33:53.360 --> 0:33:56.120
<v Speaker 3>side note, I think those homunculous effects in Bride of

0:33:56.160 --> 0:34:00.520
<v Speaker 3>Frankenstein were done by John Fulton and David Horseley. Uh,

0:34:00.560 --> 0:34:03.080
<v Speaker 3>and that was but it was done by like combining

0:34:03.240 --> 0:34:05.360
<v Speaker 3>different different shots, so you'd have a you know, a

0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:08.640
<v Speaker 3>shot of people inside full sized glass jars with a

0:34:08.640 --> 0:34:11.240
<v Speaker 3>certain kind of background, and then that was matted over

0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:15.080
<v Speaker 3>the full shot, you know, at normal distance, with with

0:34:15.200 --> 0:34:17.560
<v Speaker 3>the actors looking huge in comparison.

0:34:26.160 --> 0:34:28.319
<v Speaker 1>All right, well let's let's get into the plot of

0:34:28.400 --> 0:34:29.440
<v Speaker 1>Doctor Cyclops.

0:34:29.760 --> 0:34:31.600
<v Speaker 3>Okay, here's the full plot breakdown.

0:34:31.920 --> 0:34:32.080
<v Speaker 4>Uh.

0:34:32.120 --> 0:34:34.520
<v Speaker 3>You know, we always have to comment on the opening credits,

0:34:34.680 --> 0:34:38.279
<v Speaker 3>and this movie also has excellent opening credits. Like a

0:34:38.360 --> 0:34:42.360
<v Speaker 3>lot of the weird older movies we have watched. I

0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:46.720
<v Speaker 3>feel like opening credits used to be really cool for

0:34:46.719 --> 0:34:49.719
<v Speaker 3>for weird sci fi movies, and then they they got

0:34:50.000 --> 0:34:52.560
<v Speaker 3>kind of whatever. You know, it'd just be some like

0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:55.640
<v Speaker 3>words on a starfield background for a few decades, and

0:34:55.680 --> 0:34:58.440
<v Speaker 3>then they just started doing away with opening credits altogether.

0:34:59.000 --> 0:35:01.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but for for while, certainly in this age, it

0:35:01.200 --> 0:35:03.720
<v Speaker 1>feels like the opening credits were treated like the poster,

0:35:04.200 --> 0:35:07.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, as if you might be walking by the

0:35:07.520 --> 0:35:10.520
<v Speaker 1>projection screen and deciding whether you're going to stop and

0:35:10.560 --> 0:35:12.680
<v Speaker 1>finish watching. I mean, that's the ultimate weird. I guess

0:35:12.680 --> 0:35:15.400
<v Speaker 1>you get in the audience revved up, but it's like

0:35:15.400 --> 0:35:17.800
<v Speaker 1>they've already paid their money, they're already in the seat.

0:35:18.120 --> 0:35:21.239
<v Speaker 1>They're clearly they're not going to walk out yet, but

0:35:21.480 --> 0:35:24.239
<v Speaker 1>I guess it's about just preparing them for what's to come.

0:35:24.719 --> 0:35:27.799
<v Speaker 3>Well, there's actually a kind of visual continuity from the

0:35:27.840 --> 0:35:30.520
<v Speaker 3>opening credits to the opening scene in this movie, because

0:35:30.640 --> 0:35:33.680
<v Speaker 3>you've got While the credits are rolling, there is this

0:35:33.800 --> 0:35:37.879
<v Speaker 3>flickering light effect that creates a kind of auroral unease

0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:40.759
<v Speaker 3>that is then replicated again once you get to the

0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:44.840
<v Speaker 3>opening scene. It's like the same shimmering, flickering light effect

0:35:44.960 --> 0:35:48.680
<v Speaker 3>carries over into the scene of a bal deman in

0:35:48.760 --> 0:35:52.520
<v Speaker 3>welding goggles who is leaning over a table examining a

0:35:52.560 --> 0:35:56.080
<v Speaker 3>fluorescent green tube in a room lit by the shimmering

0:35:56.120 --> 0:36:00.279
<v Speaker 3>green light. And of course this is doctor Thorkel, and

0:36:00.360 --> 0:36:03.799
<v Speaker 3>the movie gets right to it because his colleague Mendoza

0:36:04.040 --> 0:36:06.480
<v Speaker 3>enters the room, and of course, I my brain every

0:36:06.560 --> 0:36:09.400
<v Speaker 3>time somebody said Mendoza, my brain kept going to the Simpsons.

0:36:10.480 --> 0:36:14.080
<v Speaker 3>But his colleague Mendoza enters the room and he says

0:36:14.120 --> 0:36:17.040
<v Speaker 3>to doctor Thorkel, how much longer will you struggle before

0:36:17.080 --> 0:36:20.320
<v Speaker 3>you realize you can't do it? And thor Kel says,

0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:23.560
<v Speaker 3>no longer, my dear Mendoza, because I have done it.

0:36:23.840 --> 0:36:27.400
<v Speaker 3>Look for yourself. So, you know, they examine what it

0:36:27.480 --> 0:36:30.880
<v Speaker 3>is that Thorkel has been looking at, and Mendoza is aghast.

0:36:31.000 --> 0:36:35.000
<v Speaker 3>He has shaken. Thorkel says, there should be sufficient radium

0:36:35.040 --> 0:36:37.600
<v Speaker 3>to tear it to shreds, and yet it's still alive.

0:36:38.320 --> 0:36:40.640
<v Speaker 3>And we don't know what they're talking about, but Mendoza

0:36:40.719 --> 0:36:45.080
<v Speaker 3>is horrified. He's terrified of the power of whatever they've discovered,

0:36:45.400 --> 0:36:47.680
<v Speaker 3>and he says he starts saying like you must destroy

0:36:47.760 --> 0:36:50.680
<v Speaker 3>your slides, you must burn your notes, and then we

0:36:50.719 --> 0:36:56.440
<v Speaker 3>get some classic backstory through utterly implausible dialogue. You know,

0:36:56.480 --> 0:36:59.360
<v Speaker 3>when somebody says something to another character that that person

0:36:59.440 --> 0:37:02.759
<v Speaker 3>would have no occasion to say to them, just obviously

0:37:02.800 --> 0:37:06.000
<v Speaker 3>for the benefit of the audience. So Mendoza says, when

0:37:06.040 --> 0:37:09.840
<v Speaker 3>I discovered this gigantic radium deposit, I first thought of you,

0:37:10.080 --> 0:37:15.040
<v Speaker 3>doctor Thorkel, my teacher of Doctor Thorkel, the great biologist.

0:37:15.320 --> 0:37:17.799
<v Speaker 3>I sent for you to counsel me. I began to

0:37:17.840 --> 0:37:21.560
<v Speaker 3>imagine here in the jungle, the Thorkell Institute, a palace

0:37:21.600 --> 0:37:24.400
<v Speaker 3>of healing to which all might come. And it was

0:37:24.520 --> 0:37:27.160
<v Speaker 3>very much like Grandpa Seth has been dead for three

0:37:27.200 --> 0:37:29.399
<v Speaker 3>weeks now, and it's been hard on all of us,

0:37:29.440 --> 0:37:30.960
<v Speaker 3>including me his daughter.

0:37:31.560 --> 0:37:34.520
<v Speaker 1>That is correct Joe, my podcast partner who has podcasted

0:37:34.520 --> 0:37:35.479
<v Speaker 1>with me for many years.

0:37:35.480 --> 0:37:42.000
<v Speaker 3>At this point, but Thorkel is immediately dismissive of Mendoza's concerns.

0:37:42.040 --> 0:37:44.600
<v Speaker 3>He's like, you know, bah, we now have the very

0:37:44.640 --> 0:37:47.960
<v Speaker 3>cosmic force of creation itself. We can shape life like clay.

0:37:48.760 --> 0:37:52.800
<v Speaker 3>And then Mendoza again with the classic sci fi movie line.

0:37:53.080 --> 0:37:56.360
<v Speaker 3>He says, you are tampering with powers reserve to God,

0:37:56.760 --> 0:38:00.200
<v Speaker 3>which is almost verbatim the last line of Bride to

0:38:00.239 --> 0:38:01.600
<v Speaker 3>the Monster by ed Wood.

0:38:01.800 --> 0:38:03.920
<v Speaker 1>You remember that part, Yeah, yeah, I think so.

0:38:04.160 --> 0:38:08.799
<v Speaker 3>The movie with Bella Legosi and Tor Johnson. And at

0:38:08.840 --> 0:38:12.279
<v Speaker 3>the end of the movie, Bella's mansion explodes. I don't

0:38:12.280 --> 0:38:16.239
<v Speaker 3>remember why. There's a giant octopus attack and the mansion explodes,

0:38:16.640 --> 0:38:19.200
<v Speaker 3>and then a guy just kind of soberly looks at

0:38:19.200 --> 0:38:22.080
<v Speaker 3>the camera and says he tampered in God's domain.

0:38:24.160 --> 0:38:26.360
<v Speaker 1>So Mendoza is like, we shouldn't tamper in God's domain.

0:38:26.440 --> 0:38:29.520
<v Speaker 1>But doctor Thorkel was like, yeah, that's what we're doing,

0:38:29.680 --> 0:38:30.600
<v Speaker 1>and we're gonna do it.

0:38:30.800 --> 0:38:34.440
<v Speaker 3>He literally says, he says, like, you're tampering with powers

0:38:34.440 --> 0:38:36.800
<v Speaker 3>were served to God. And Thorkel says, that is good.

0:38:37.120 --> 0:38:41.000
<v Speaker 3>That is just what I am doing. And so Mendoza

0:38:41.120 --> 0:38:43.959
<v Speaker 3>tries to forbid it, but Thorkel he's tasted the God

0:38:44.040 --> 0:38:46.520
<v Speaker 3>power now and there's no going back, so it is

0:38:46.600 --> 0:38:50.080
<v Speaker 3>time to murder. And the Mendoza murder is a very

0:38:50.120 --> 0:38:54.799
<v Speaker 3>cool scene. I thought. Thorkel shoves Mendoza's head through this

0:38:54.960 --> 0:38:58.359
<v Speaker 3>radioactive green tube he's been looking at, and then there's

0:38:58.360 --> 0:39:03.080
<v Speaker 3>a photographic effect where Mendoza's face is just gradually layered

0:39:03.280 --> 0:39:04.800
<v Speaker 3>over by skull paint.

0:39:05.239 --> 0:39:08.359
<v Speaker 1>I liked that. It's a weird scene. Apparently this one

0:39:08.400 --> 0:39:12.279
<v Speaker 1>was removed from some TV airings of the film, so

0:39:12.280 --> 0:39:13.799
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if they found it like maybe it

0:39:13.840 --> 0:39:16.680
<v Speaker 1>was for time or it was just considered too graphic.

0:39:16.719 --> 0:39:18.880
<v Speaker 1>There is a like a severity to it, like it

0:39:19.200 --> 0:39:24.080
<v Speaker 1>firmly establishes doctor Thorkel as a guy who will murder,

0:39:25.480 --> 0:39:27.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, for for his science. And we'll really not

0:39:27.680 --> 0:39:29.600
<v Speaker 1>think twice about It's not like there was a struggle

0:39:29.719 --> 0:39:31.600
<v Speaker 1>or some sort of accidents. It wasn't one of those

0:39:31.800 --> 0:39:34.880
<v Speaker 1>situations where oh, I've stumbled into murder and now this

0:39:34.960 --> 0:39:37.080
<v Speaker 1>is who I am. He's like, got to kill you now,

0:39:37.120 --> 0:39:38.279
<v Speaker 1>and he does it right.

0:39:39.040 --> 0:39:41.240
<v Speaker 3>So next we cut to some guys in a fancy

0:39:41.320 --> 0:39:43.800
<v Speaker 3>study and it's it's a room that sort of reminds

0:39:43.840 --> 0:39:47.200
<v Speaker 3>me of M's office in the Sean Connery James Bond movies.

0:39:47.400 --> 0:39:50.440
<v Speaker 3>But weirdly, despite what you might assume about the sort

0:39:50.480 --> 0:39:54.320
<v Speaker 3>of pipe tobacco drabness of such an environment, the first

0:39:54.360 --> 0:39:57.720
<v Speaker 3>thing I couldn't ignore was how much the colors drip

0:39:58.520 --> 0:40:00.840
<v Speaker 3>just in this scene in a study, because the opening

0:40:00.880 --> 0:40:04.640
<v Speaker 3>scene is very much shimmering green and black. It's actually

0:40:04.719 --> 0:40:07.400
<v Speaker 3>sort of closer to the look of the two color

0:40:07.440 --> 0:40:10.440
<v Speaker 3>technicolor range in Doctor X, which we watched for a

0:40:10.480 --> 0:40:13.400
<v Speaker 3>previous episode. Remember how that whole movie was very had

0:40:13.400 --> 0:40:16.880
<v Speaker 3>a kind of diseased green and orange palette without the

0:40:17.200 --> 0:40:20.920
<v Speaker 3>full range of full color Technicolor. This has all the colors.

0:40:20.960 --> 0:40:23.760
<v Speaker 3>Now now that we're in the office and the greens,

0:40:23.880 --> 0:40:27.080
<v Speaker 3>the reds, blue, and orange, the color is almost violent

0:40:27.160 --> 0:40:31.120
<v Speaker 3>and it is really beautiful. It pops. But anyway, so

0:40:31.160 --> 0:40:34.160
<v Speaker 3>we're in the study now and these two stuffy old

0:40:34.200 --> 0:40:38.560
<v Speaker 3>guys are discussing attempts by Thorkel to recruit them by

0:40:38.640 --> 0:40:42.120
<v Speaker 3>mail for research at his remote institute and the Amazon

0:40:42.120 --> 0:40:44.160
<v Speaker 3>I think it's supposed to be in Peru. And this

0:40:44.200 --> 0:40:46.719
<v Speaker 3>is doctor Bullfinch we're meeting. He's one of these two

0:40:46.800 --> 0:40:49.799
<v Speaker 3>guys here, and they're discussing the pros and cons of

0:40:49.880 --> 0:40:53.960
<v Speaker 3>joining doctor Thorkel's jungle institute. Pros are that he is

0:40:54.040 --> 0:40:57.000
<v Speaker 3>the greatest living biologist, so be good to work with him.

0:40:57.400 --> 0:41:01.520
<v Speaker 3>Cons are at he's a strange man, secretive about his experiments.

0:41:02.320 --> 0:41:05.040
<v Speaker 3>You already get the impression that these guys suspect he

0:41:05.080 --> 0:41:09.520
<v Speaker 3>may kill them. Uh, And I love the strong vibe

0:41:09.520 --> 0:41:11.480
<v Speaker 3>from the very beginning that this is going to be

0:41:11.560 --> 0:41:14.520
<v Speaker 3>like the fire Festival of scientific research. It's just like

0:41:14.680 --> 0:41:18.120
<v Speaker 3>lure everybody to a remote location and then just watch

0:41:18.160 --> 0:41:19.000
<v Speaker 3>it all go to hell.

0:41:19.400 --> 0:41:21.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, Like it's it's pretty obvious where this is,

0:41:21.920 --> 0:41:24.600
<v Speaker 1>at least in general, where this is going, Like mad

0:41:24.640 --> 0:41:27.000
<v Speaker 1>scientist is up to bad stuff in the middle of nowhere,

0:41:27.040 --> 0:41:30.480
<v Speaker 1>where where there is no law but his own. Let's go,

0:41:30.640 --> 0:41:32.480
<v Speaker 1>let's go hang out with him and see what happens.

0:41:32.760 --> 0:41:35.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and then there's a sort of recruiting montage.

0:41:35.560 --> 0:41:38.520
<v Speaker 1>These scenes are they're brief, there's not much to them. Yeah,

0:41:38.600 --> 0:41:41.799
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of like, hey, if you paid your hotel bill, no,

0:41:42.080 --> 0:41:44.439
<v Speaker 1>well better join up with us then, right.

0:41:44.480 --> 0:41:46.600
<v Speaker 3>So we get doctor Bullfinch and then we get doctor

0:41:46.640 --> 0:41:49.879
<v Speaker 3>Mary Robinson who's writing a letter saying she's joining the team.

0:41:50.440 --> 0:41:54.560
<v Speaker 3>I think letter, Yeah, I think the letter says something

0:41:54.719 --> 0:42:00.319
<v Speaker 3>like should should be no problem or something. And then

0:42:00.320 --> 0:42:03.320
<v Speaker 3>we see the recruitment of a good for nothing, deadbeat

0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:07.560
<v Speaker 3>geologist named doctor Bill Stockton. This is the guy played

0:42:07.560 --> 0:42:10.239
<v Speaker 3>by Thomas Coley, and he has pulled in on the

0:42:10.280 --> 0:42:14.279
<v Speaker 3>promise of having his mini IOUs remitted. So when we

0:42:14.360 --> 0:42:18.080
<v Speaker 3>meet him, he's lounging in a patio recliner and I

0:42:18.120 --> 0:42:20.520
<v Speaker 3>don't know if you noticed this did you notice that

0:42:20.560 --> 0:42:22.760
<v Speaker 3>there are just in at least one of these shots,

0:42:22.800 --> 0:42:26.040
<v Speaker 3>there are bugs crawling all over his lap.

0:42:26.640 --> 0:42:27.840
<v Speaker 1>No, I did not notice that.

0:42:28.320 --> 0:42:30.879
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's easy to miss. It goes by pretty quick,

0:42:30.880 --> 0:42:32.520
<v Speaker 3>and I don't think it's supposed to be like that.

0:42:32.640 --> 0:42:34.439
<v Speaker 3>I think it's just something that happened to get caught

0:42:34.480 --> 0:42:36.520
<v Speaker 3>by the camera. But in one of the shots there

0:42:36.520 --> 0:42:40.360
<v Speaker 3>are at least three flies simultaneously. A couple are on

0:42:40.440 --> 0:42:42.759
<v Speaker 3>his belt buckle, ones kind of to the side of

0:42:42.800 --> 0:42:45.480
<v Speaker 3>his crotch. And it makes me wonder, like, what did

0:42:45.480 --> 0:42:48.200
<v Speaker 3>he spill sugar water and his lap or something in

0:42:48.239 --> 0:42:49.040
<v Speaker 3>an earlier take.

0:42:49.960 --> 0:42:52.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I mean, is he suretless in the scene?

0:42:52.400 --> 0:42:53.880
<v Speaker 3>No? No, no, no, he's got a shirt on.

0:42:53.960 --> 0:42:55.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay. I was thinking maybe they oiled him up

0:42:55.800 --> 0:42:58.759
<v Speaker 1>a bit, you know. Okay, but who knows.

0:42:59.400 --> 0:43:02.480
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, they're recruiting him because I think there was

0:43:02.520 --> 0:43:06.240
<v Speaker 3>supposed to be another mineralogist or geologist and that person

0:43:06.320 --> 0:43:09.000
<v Speaker 3>fell through, So now they're trying to get the deadbeat guy.

0:43:09.040 --> 0:43:11.560
<v Speaker 3>But he's a handsome dead beat. And then finally they're

0:43:11.600 --> 0:43:15.120
<v Speaker 3>out in the field in Peru and Bullfinch, Robinson and

0:43:15.200 --> 0:43:20.200
<v Speaker 3>Stockton recruit a minor slash mule wrangler named Steve who

0:43:20.280 --> 0:43:22.480
<v Speaker 3>has a lot of mule thoughts and he wants to

0:43:22.480 --> 0:43:26.040
<v Speaker 3>get rich. And there's a mule haglin scene between Bullfinch

0:43:26.080 --> 0:43:28.480
<v Speaker 3>and Steve, which is pretty funny. Steve's like, you can't

0:43:28.480 --> 0:43:31.120
<v Speaker 3>have the mules. I need him for something, and then

0:43:31.160 --> 0:43:33.799
<v Speaker 3>all these eggheads are like, but doctor Thorkel is the

0:43:33.840 --> 0:43:38.320
<v Speaker 3>greatest living authority on organic molecular structure, and the muleman

0:43:38.440 --> 0:43:40.560
<v Speaker 3>is not very impressed. But eventually they get him to

0:43:40.600 --> 0:43:44.200
<v Speaker 3>go along by promising him riches and saying that he

0:43:44.280 --> 0:43:46.960
<v Speaker 3>can come with them to I guess make sure the

0:43:47.040 --> 0:43:48.880
<v Speaker 3>mules are okay, yeah.

0:43:48.680 --> 0:43:52.480
<v Speaker 1>It's it didn't make tremendous amount of sense, but okay,

0:43:52.480 --> 0:43:53.080
<v Speaker 1>he's coming.

0:43:52.920 --> 0:43:55.879
<v Speaker 3>Along, right, So they journey through the jungle. They arrive

0:43:55.920 --> 0:44:01.080
<v Speaker 3>at doctor Thorkell's compound Thorkel's assistant Pedro to inform him

0:44:01.160 --> 0:44:05.440
<v Speaker 3>that they've arrived, and when Thorkel is interrupted, I just

0:44:05.480 --> 0:44:08.560
<v Speaker 3>want to say he's wearing an awesome helmet slash suit.

0:44:09.239 --> 0:44:11.560
<v Speaker 3>Rabbi attached a picture I found of the helmet for

0:44:11.600 --> 0:44:12.120
<v Speaker 3>you to look at.

0:44:12.120 --> 0:44:12.319
<v Speaker 4>Here.

0:44:12.400 --> 0:44:16.000
<v Speaker 3>It is it's just like it's just like a can,

0:44:16.200 --> 0:44:19.479
<v Speaker 3>just like a straight up thick can with two eye

0:44:19.560 --> 0:44:23.120
<v Speaker 3>holes surrounded by glass and then a kind of rounded top.

0:44:23.440 --> 0:44:26.160
<v Speaker 3>It's not very elaborate, but it looks great.

0:44:26.480 --> 0:44:28.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it looks kind of I mean, it reminds me

0:44:28.360 --> 0:44:31.200
<v Speaker 1>a lot of some of the stock rocketmen and robot

0:44:31.320 --> 0:44:34.239
<v Speaker 1>costumes of the of the day. You know. It looks

0:44:34.239 --> 0:44:36.080
<v Speaker 1>a little bit like a medieval night as well.

0:44:36.360 --> 0:44:38.560
<v Speaker 3>Oh, it's kind of the night guarding the bridge and

0:44:38.680 --> 0:44:40.080
<v Speaker 3>Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

0:44:41.000 --> 0:44:41.239
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

0:44:41.600 --> 0:44:43.840
<v Speaker 3>And so they get there and they all meet doctor Thorkel,

0:44:44.000 --> 0:44:47.360
<v Speaker 3>and Doctor Thorkel is a creep from the first minute.

0:44:47.400 --> 0:44:50.120
<v Speaker 3>They do not like ease into it. He's got the

0:44:50.200 --> 0:44:53.920
<v Speaker 3>unholy combo of a huge head with tiny glasses, and

0:44:54.280 --> 0:44:58.040
<v Speaker 3>he's he's huge in general. But it's just this like large,

0:44:58.080 --> 0:45:01.240
<v Speaker 3>bulky bald man grabbing people by the arm and moving

0:45:01.280 --> 0:45:04.239
<v Speaker 3>them around and saying like, I'm so glad you've come.

0:45:04.320 --> 0:45:06.480
<v Speaker 3>He might as well be saying, you know what lovely

0:45:06.600 --> 0:45:09.920
<v Speaker 3>cells you're made out of. And so we find out

0:45:09.960 --> 0:45:12.839
<v Speaker 3>that doctor Thorkel sent for the assistance of the other

0:45:12.920 --> 0:45:16.600
<v Speaker 3>scientists because of damage to his eyes. The damage to

0:45:16.640 --> 0:45:20.239
<v Speaker 3>his eyes no longer allows him to use the microscope,

0:45:20.640 --> 0:45:23.200
<v Speaker 3>but I was wondering, Wait a minute, then, if that's

0:45:23.239 --> 0:45:26.359
<v Speaker 3>the only problem, why did he send for three different scientists?

0:45:26.360 --> 0:45:29.680
<v Speaker 3>Then it almost seems like the implication is that doctor

0:45:29.719 --> 0:45:32.680
<v Speaker 3>Thorkel thinks that if he had fully functioning eyes, he

0:45:32.719 --> 0:45:34.920
<v Speaker 3>would be worth four scientists put together.

0:45:36.280 --> 0:45:39.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that makes sense, or you know, or maybe it's

0:45:39.280 --> 0:45:43.200
<v Speaker 1>it's he doesn't expect all of them to live that long.

0:45:43.280 --> 0:45:45.920
<v Speaker 1>You know, it needs multiple sets of spare eyes.

0:45:46.480 --> 0:45:49.080
<v Speaker 3>Well, this is weird because so here's a question I have.

0:45:49.239 --> 0:45:52.440
<v Speaker 3>He is a creep from the beginning, but the movie

0:45:52.480 --> 0:45:55.280
<v Speaker 3>does not suggest that he planned to kill them all along.

0:45:55.480 --> 0:45:58.680
<v Speaker 3>Like the fact that he kills them does genuinely seem

0:45:58.719 --> 0:46:01.880
<v Speaker 3>to be an unexpect to development for him. He kills

0:46:01.920 --> 0:46:04.560
<v Speaker 3>them because they discover his secrets.

0:46:04.640 --> 0:46:08.400
<v Speaker 1>Basically, yeah, yeah, I mean, I guess he what he

0:46:08.560 --> 0:46:10.440
<v Speaker 1>I think, has revealed that he he sort of needed

0:46:10.640 --> 0:46:15.040
<v Speaker 1>a mineralist, a mineral specialist, uh to uh, to weigh

0:46:15.120 --> 0:46:17.520
<v Speaker 1>in on some of his work. He needed somebody with

0:46:17.560 --> 0:46:21.680
<v Speaker 1>a bio biology background. But I don't know about the professor,

0:46:21.719 --> 0:46:23.600
<v Speaker 1>did he I mean just sort of brought him into

0:46:24.360 --> 0:46:27.359
<v Speaker 1>to boast to him about like maybe part of it

0:46:27.400 --> 0:46:30.560
<v Speaker 1>is like ultimately he needs an audience, like he's he's

0:46:30.600 --> 0:46:33.799
<v Speaker 1>doing amazing thing. So yes, I need I need a

0:46:33.840 --> 0:46:36.640
<v Speaker 1>basically a team of judges to come here and tell

0:46:36.680 --> 0:46:37.520
<v Speaker 1>me how great I am.

0:46:37.719 --> 0:46:39.960
<v Speaker 3>I think we're sort of rewriting the script as we go.

0:46:40.040 --> 0:46:42.440
<v Speaker 3>But that's I think you're onto something there that that

0:46:42.560 --> 0:46:45.440
<v Speaker 3>is part of it. Like he as a megalomaniac, he

0:46:45.520 --> 0:46:47.719
<v Speaker 3>needs people to witness his greatness.

0:46:48.040 --> 0:46:50.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that that's one of the downsides to working

0:46:50.840 --> 0:46:53.600
<v Speaker 1>out in the jungle, is that in the jungie is

0:46:53.600 --> 0:46:56.799
<v Speaker 1>you occasionally have to bring people in to recognize your greatness.

0:46:57.040 --> 0:46:59.840
<v Speaker 3>Right, And so they're there and they recognize his greatness,

0:46:59.840 --> 0:47:02.239
<v Speaker 3>but he wants them to get right to work. So

0:47:02.320 --> 0:47:04.359
<v Speaker 3>he has them look at some stuff in a microscope

0:47:04.760 --> 0:47:08.560
<v Speaker 3>and Stockton, the deadbeat hunk, he sees some iron crystals

0:47:08.640 --> 0:47:11.440
<v Speaker 3>under the microscope. This is like minutes after they've arrived,

0:47:11.960 --> 0:47:15.120
<v Speaker 3>and he says, yes, it's iron crystals in the microscope.

0:47:15.400 --> 0:47:18.440
<v Speaker 3>And doctor Thorkel is like, ah, eureka, Okay, that's it.

0:47:18.480 --> 0:47:22.600
<v Speaker 3>Well I'm done with you guys now. But Bullfinch, which

0:47:22.719 --> 0:47:25.920
<v Speaker 3>is funny, I mean very funny, Bullfinch is mad. He

0:47:25.960 --> 0:47:29.239
<v Speaker 3>immediately gets super indignant and starts yelling and he's like,

0:47:29.280 --> 0:47:33.920
<v Speaker 3>you can't do this to us. At one point, Bullfinch

0:47:34.000 --> 0:47:36.279
<v Speaker 3>is like, are you are you intimating that you brought

0:47:36.320 --> 0:47:39.400
<v Speaker 3>us here just for five minutes of work? And Thorkel

0:47:39.560 --> 0:47:42.240
<v Speaker 3>is like, I am not intimating. I am merely stating

0:47:42.280 --> 0:47:46.600
<v Speaker 3>a fact. Which that's man. That's one of my favorite

0:47:46.600 --> 0:47:50.040
<v Speaker 3>types of statements in English, the like I'm merely stating

0:47:50.040 --> 0:47:52.719
<v Speaker 3>a fact like that wasn't a threat, it was a promise.

0:47:53.480 --> 0:47:57.279
<v Speaker 3>I'm not suggesting anything. I'm merely stating a fact. I

0:47:57.320 --> 0:47:59.120
<v Speaker 3>wonder when was the first instance of that.

0:48:00.160 --> 0:48:03.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but yeah, this seems like at least

0:48:03.080 --> 0:48:05.160
<v Speaker 1>an early variation on the theme.

0:48:05.440 --> 0:48:08.319
<v Speaker 3>But anyway, Bullfinch and Robinson they are mad and they

0:48:08.320 --> 0:48:10.520
<v Speaker 3>want to know what it is that that Thorp is

0:48:10.560 --> 0:48:14.360
<v Speaker 3>working on before they leave. Steve the mule guy, he

0:48:14.440 --> 0:48:16.759
<v Speaker 3>thinks he knows. He thinks the answer is that there

0:48:16.840 --> 0:48:19.719
<v Speaker 3>is a mind full of precious ore somewhere around here.

0:48:20.480 --> 0:48:22.799
<v Speaker 3>Stockton doesn't seem to care much. It seems like he's

0:48:22.840 --> 0:48:25.239
<v Speaker 3>fine to just like get his bill settled and then leave.

0:48:25.800 --> 0:48:25.960
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:48:26.000 --> 0:48:27.600
<v Speaker 3>All he wants to do is lay around in a

0:48:27.719 --> 0:48:28.600
<v Speaker 3>chair basically.

0:48:29.080 --> 0:48:30.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but the other two It is kind of like

0:48:30.840 --> 0:48:33.200
<v Speaker 1>they thought they thought this was going to be Thorkel

0:48:33.320 --> 0:48:35.879
<v Speaker 1>at all. Yes, you know, they thought they were.

0:48:35.800 --> 0:48:38.400
<v Speaker 3>Going to go author credit, Yes exactly.

0:48:38.080 --> 0:48:41.239
<v Speaker 1>But no, there's only one author on Thorkel research, and

0:48:41.280 --> 0:48:42.360
<v Speaker 1>that's doctor Thorkel.

0:48:43.000 --> 0:48:45.080
<v Speaker 3>Now you might know more about this than me. I

0:48:45.160 --> 0:48:49.640
<v Speaker 3>was kind of curious about this movie's abundance of unflattering pants.

0:48:50.000 --> 0:48:53.520
<v Speaker 3>There are multiple characters wearing pants that have like big

0:48:53.680 --> 0:48:57.160
<v Speaker 3>saggy butt and thigh areas that sometimes make it look

0:48:57.200 --> 0:48:59.880
<v Speaker 3>like they're wearing like a weird sort of diaper or

0:49:00.120 --> 0:49:02.600
<v Speaker 3>just sort of just have a saggy butt in the pants.

0:49:02.840 --> 0:49:06.160
<v Speaker 3>Are these some specific kind of rugged outdoor pants of

0:49:06.200 --> 0:49:10.319
<v Speaker 3>the era, like the go into the Jungle pants. I

0:49:10.320 --> 0:49:11.640
<v Speaker 3>didn't know what the deal with this was.

0:49:12.239 --> 0:49:14.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I just I just thought maybe that

0:49:14.640 --> 0:49:16.040
<v Speaker 1>was the style of the day. You know, he just

0:49:16.040 --> 0:49:19.760
<v Speaker 1>wore big balloony pants. But I could be wrong. Maybe

0:49:20.160 --> 0:49:21.960
<v Speaker 1>the pants experts out there can weigh in.

0:49:22.320 --> 0:49:22.440
<v Speaker 4>Well.

0:49:22.440 --> 0:49:25.399
<v Speaker 3>Anyway, Steve the mule guy goes out snooping at night

0:49:25.800 --> 0:49:28.440
<v Speaker 3>the day before Thorkell has told them they're supposed to leave.

0:49:28.600 --> 0:49:31.000
<v Speaker 3>Thorkell says you need to leave tomorrow, and so is

0:49:31.040 --> 0:49:33.399
<v Speaker 3>that night, and Steve goes out snooping around. I think

0:49:33.440 --> 0:49:37.280
<v Speaker 3>he wants to track down the mine. So while Thorkel

0:49:37.360 --> 0:49:41.720
<v Speaker 3>is inside wearing his crazy helmet and doing science works,

0:49:42.000 --> 0:49:44.560
<v Speaker 3>Steve is snooping around this big hole in the ground

0:49:44.640 --> 0:49:47.319
<v Speaker 3>that has a giant like rigging over it and with

0:49:47.360 --> 0:49:49.760
<v Speaker 3>some kind of rope dangling something down in the hole.

0:49:50.320 --> 0:49:53.160
<v Speaker 3>And then he's almost caught by Thorkell. Thorkell comes out

0:49:53.200 --> 0:49:56.920
<v Speaker 3>and Baker hides, and it is revealed that Thorkell is

0:49:56.960 --> 0:50:01.080
<v Speaker 3>operating some kind of awesome giant copper ill in the

0:50:01.160 --> 0:50:04.279
<v Speaker 3>Thorkel Super Deep borehole. He's like drilling down into the

0:50:04.320 --> 0:50:07.160
<v Speaker 3>earth and getting something out of the earth. I don't know.

0:50:07.719 --> 0:50:09.640
<v Speaker 3>I think maybe it's the radium samples.

0:50:10.440 --> 0:50:14.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's this. They don't talk about it that much,

0:50:14.280 --> 0:50:19.120
<v Speaker 1>but there's this sense that he's somehow absorbing radiation out

0:50:19.160 --> 0:50:24.520
<v Speaker 1>of the ground itself, you know, by lowering this probe

0:50:24.600 --> 0:50:28.200
<v Speaker 1>down into it. That's kind of the sense I was

0:50:28.239 --> 0:50:28.839
<v Speaker 1>getting from it.

0:50:29.239 --> 0:50:32.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and then we see at some point Thorkel is

0:50:32.160 --> 0:50:34.960
<v Speaker 3>alone in his lab later and it reveals that he

0:50:35.040 --> 0:50:38.279
<v Speaker 3>has created a tiny pony. This is very much like

0:50:38.320 --> 0:50:43.760
<v Speaker 3>the Septimus Pretorious images so there is somehow they've superimposed

0:50:43.800 --> 0:50:47.880
<v Speaker 3>footage of a full sized pony kind of neighing and

0:50:47.920 --> 0:50:51.520
<v Speaker 3>clumping around, but they have matted that onto the shot

0:50:51.600 --> 0:50:54.160
<v Speaker 3>of Thorkel sitting at a table, and so it looks

0:50:54.200 --> 0:50:57.640
<v Speaker 3>like the pony is on the table and it looks great. Yeah,

0:50:57.680 --> 0:50:59.279
<v Speaker 3>but then later we check in. I guess this is

0:50:59.320 --> 0:51:03.200
<v Speaker 3>The next morning, Bullfinch is examining some pig remains that

0:51:03.280 --> 0:51:06.359
<v Speaker 3>he came across, and it claims he claims that he's

0:51:06.400 --> 0:51:08.919
<v Speaker 3>discovered a new species of pig that is only four

0:51:08.960 --> 0:51:12.279
<v Speaker 3>inches long at maturity. And Bullfinch tries to name the

0:51:12.320 --> 0:51:18.120
<v Speaker 3>species after himself, like you do, and then Thorkell rolls

0:51:18.200 --> 0:51:21.319
<v Speaker 3>up on them and he's immediately like, haha, you weak

0:51:21.360 --> 0:51:25.120
<v Speaker 3>minded fool, you think you've discovered a new pig. And

0:51:25.160 --> 0:51:28.480
<v Speaker 3>he said, I wrote down this quote. Strange how absorbed

0:51:28.560 --> 0:51:31.680
<v Speaker 3>man has always been in the size of things.

0:51:34.040 --> 0:51:36.040
<v Speaker 1>Because of course he knows what this is. This is

0:51:36.080 --> 0:51:38.160
<v Speaker 1>not a new species of pig. This is just a

0:51:38.200 --> 0:51:40.040
<v Speaker 1>normal pig that he shrank down.

0:51:40.520 --> 0:51:44.000
<v Speaker 3>He's been shrinking pigs for months. And they're all here amazed,

0:51:44.000 --> 0:51:47.080
<v Speaker 3>thinking they've discovered new species of pigs, and he's like, ah,

0:51:47.239 --> 0:51:50.480
<v Speaker 3>you idiots. You don't understand pig shrinking. I'll tell you

0:51:50.520 --> 0:51:55.840
<v Speaker 3>about pig shrinking. But Bullfinch retorts, he says that size

0:51:55.880 --> 0:51:58.880
<v Speaker 3>is the chief difference between mammals. I wrote down this

0:51:58.960 --> 0:52:01.920
<v Speaker 3>quote as well. He says, in all essentials, a mouse

0:52:02.000 --> 0:52:08.399
<v Speaker 3>and a whale are identical. Yeah, so Bullfinch, I guess

0:52:08.440 --> 0:52:10.600
<v Speaker 3>he's supposed to be like the second best biologist in

0:52:10.600 --> 0:52:13.120
<v Speaker 3>the world. But I'm not sure about that one.

0:52:13.160 --> 0:52:15.560
<v Speaker 1>There was a big gap between first and second greatest

0:52:15.600 --> 0:52:18.200
<v Speaker 1>biologists of the time. I guess, yeah, No, I don't

0:52:18.239 --> 0:52:20.759
<v Speaker 1>think there were. I think Gray Bao just in real

0:52:20.800 --> 0:52:24.520
<v Speaker 1>life before these guys would have argued, no, a mouse

0:52:24.560 --> 0:52:27.800
<v Speaker 1>isn't in a whale or not essentially the same creature.

0:52:27.640 --> 0:52:29.800
<v Speaker 1>There are some major differences.

0:52:30.800 --> 0:52:33.640
<v Speaker 3>But after this, I like this. Thorkel, like we said,

0:52:33.680 --> 0:52:36.200
<v Speaker 3>even though he is very much a creep from the beginning,

0:52:36.760 --> 0:52:39.000
<v Speaker 3>he does seem to give them another chance. He tries

0:52:39.040 --> 0:52:41.000
<v Speaker 3>to send them away again. He's like, be on your way,

0:52:41.080 --> 0:52:44.399
<v Speaker 3>but Bullfinch is just so mad. He refuses to leave

0:52:44.560 --> 0:52:47.520
<v Speaker 3>until he finds out what's going on, and then Thorkel

0:52:47.680 --> 0:52:50.120
<v Speaker 3>begins to threaten them. He's like, if you do not

0:52:50.239 --> 0:52:52.960
<v Speaker 3>leave within the hour, you will remain at your own peril.

0:52:55.320 --> 0:52:58.480
<v Speaker 3>So there's some snooping around After this, Thorkell goes back.

0:52:58.560 --> 0:53:01.400
<v Speaker 3>I guess, assuming that there's they're gonna leave, but they

0:53:01.480 --> 0:53:04.240
<v Speaker 3>end up investigating. They're too curious for their own good.

0:53:04.520 --> 0:53:07.680
<v Speaker 3>They hear some horse sounds and they end up spying

0:53:07.719 --> 0:53:10.960
<v Speaker 3>on Thorkel, appearing to like search around for a horse

0:53:11.040 --> 0:53:13.920
<v Speaker 3>in tall grass. So they all start to think, Okay,

0:53:13.960 --> 0:53:18.520
<v Speaker 3>Thorkell has gone mad, but Pedro explains that actually he

0:53:18.640 --> 0:53:21.400
<v Speaker 3>has delivered a bunch of animals to Thorkel, and he

0:53:21.440 --> 0:53:23.880
<v Speaker 3>doesn't know where they are now. He's delivered rats and

0:53:24.000 --> 0:53:27.319
<v Speaker 3>chickens and dogs and cats, and he doesn't know where

0:53:27.320 --> 0:53:33.160
<v Speaker 3>they are now except for there's this cat, Satanas, and

0:53:33.440 --> 0:53:36.439
<v Speaker 3>oh my god, Satanas is a good cat.

0:53:37.120 --> 0:53:41.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Upon just mere introduction of Satanas by doctor Thorkel,

0:53:42.040 --> 0:53:44.879
<v Speaker 1>I instantly laugh, in part because just seeing a cat

0:53:45.000 --> 0:53:47.759
<v Speaker 1>just sitting there looking slightly bored in a film is

0:53:47.800 --> 0:53:52.279
<v Speaker 1>always it a light but also because it doesn't take

0:53:52.400 --> 0:53:55.759
<v Speaker 1>much to realize where this is going. You know that

0:53:55.880 --> 0:53:58.200
<v Speaker 1>cat is going to try and eat a tiny person

0:53:58.200 --> 0:54:00.920
<v Speaker 1>at some point in this film, oh yeah, which.

0:54:00.760 --> 0:54:03.040
<v Speaker 3>Is a brilliant idea for for a horror movie. By

0:54:03.040 --> 0:54:05.799
<v Speaker 3>the way, I mean, a cat of sufficient size to

0:54:05.840 --> 0:54:08.440
<v Speaker 3>attack you is a terrifying proposition.

0:54:09.040 --> 0:54:11.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, Like anybody who owns a cat can can

0:54:11.960 --> 0:54:14.880
<v Speaker 1>attest to this because you know, sometimes they will they

0:54:14.880 --> 0:54:18.399
<v Speaker 1>will hunt the feet of full sized adults like me. Uh,

0:54:18.440 --> 0:54:23.160
<v Speaker 1>and their their speed, the reflexes are terrifying despite how

0:54:23.320 --> 0:54:25.760
<v Speaker 1>much time they spend, you know, laying around doing nothing

0:54:26.080 --> 0:54:29.520
<v Speaker 1>and sleeping. When they want to move, they can do

0:54:29.640 --> 0:54:32.880
<v Speaker 1>so with just incredible speed. So it's easy to imagine

0:54:32.920 --> 0:54:37.000
<v Speaker 1>yourself as a small creature and having to face you know,

0:54:37.040 --> 0:54:41.360
<v Speaker 1>the ferocity of a domestic cat. You know, you wouldn't

0:54:41.360 --> 0:54:43.960
<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't stand a chance your your only chance really

0:54:43.960 --> 0:54:45.960
<v Speaker 1>would be that it would grow bored and torturing you

0:54:46.000 --> 0:54:46.359
<v Speaker 1>to death.

0:54:46.760 --> 0:54:49.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, I would say seek out water because

0:54:49.800 --> 0:54:51.520
<v Speaker 3>you know, a lot of a lot of domestic cats

0:54:51.560 --> 0:54:54.879
<v Speaker 3>don't don't really like getting too wet. I guess there's

0:54:54.920 --> 0:54:56.960
<v Speaker 3>some exceptions, but you know they can be scared about

0:54:57.000 --> 0:54:59.200
<v Speaker 3>getting too close to water. But then again, if you're

0:54:59.360 --> 0:55:02.600
<v Speaker 3>very small, I guess water would probably like a shrunken

0:55:02.680 --> 0:55:05.800
<v Speaker 3>human might very well be in extreme danger from water.

0:55:06.200 --> 0:55:07.719
<v Speaker 3>We can talk about this more as we go on.

0:55:07.880 --> 0:55:10.880
<v Speaker 3>But I recall again the JBS Halliday and Essay, you know,

0:55:10.960 --> 0:55:14.080
<v Speaker 3>on being the right size, where he talks about how

0:55:14.280 --> 0:55:17.720
<v Speaker 3>getting wet is an entirely different proposition for a small

0:55:17.800 --> 0:55:20.480
<v Speaker 3>animal than it is for a larger animal, because like

0:55:20.480 --> 0:55:23.160
<v Speaker 3>if if a rat gets wet, like a huge percent

0:55:23.320 --> 0:55:26.160
<v Speaker 3>of its body weight is now clinging to the outside

0:55:26.200 --> 0:55:26.400
<v Speaker 3>of it.

0:55:26.800 --> 0:55:27.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:55:27.719 --> 0:55:30.359
<v Speaker 3>But anyway, so there's this question like where did all

0:55:30.360 --> 0:55:33.520
<v Speaker 3>the animals go, you know, all the animals that Pedro delivered,

0:55:33.840 --> 0:55:36.160
<v Speaker 3>and where are they now? Pedro says, I don't know.

0:55:36.280 --> 0:55:38.800
<v Speaker 3>But Satanas every day she gets more fat.

0:55:39.320 --> 0:55:41.960
<v Speaker 1>She is really living her best life here. She's getting

0:55:41.960 --> 0:55:46.239
<v Speaker 1>to kill, to hunt, and kill so many animals that

0:55:46.320 --> 0:55:47.520
<v Speaker 1>she wouldn't get to otherwise.

0:55:47.640 --> 0:55:52.239
<v Speaker 3>Shrunken pigs, shrunken horses. It's all gravy for Satanas.

0:55:52.560 --> 0:55:53.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:55:53.400 --> 0:55:56.479
<v Speaker 3>But anyway, so they're packing up to actually leave this time,

0:55:56.520 --> 0:55:59.760
<v Speaker 3>I think, But then they discovered that they keep finding

0:55:59.800 --> 0:56:03.759
<v Speaker 3>re to stay. They discovered that the ore that they've

0:56:03.800 --> 0:56:06.759
<v Speaker 3>been finding around this place contains radium, which at this

0:56:06.880 --> 0:56:09.200
<v Speaker 3>time they're like, WHOA, that's worth a lot of money

0:56:09.239 --> 0:56:12.480
<v Speaker 3>and it's very important for scientific research. I guess this

0:56:12.480 --> 0:56:14.719
<v Speaker 3>would have been on the cusp of the era of

0:56:14.760 --> 0:56:17.000
<v Speaker 3>the discovery of nuclear power.

0:56:17.360 --> 0:56:20.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so certainly you know that. The scientists are like,

0:56:20.400 --> 0:56:23.840
<v Speaker 1>this is great for science. And then mule guy is like, like,

0:56:23.920 --> 0:56:27.080
<v Speaker 1>there's there's that's some expensive radium. I want a piece

0:56:27.080 --> 0:56:27.359
<v Speaker 1>of it.

0:56:27.520 --> 0:56:30.120
<v Speaker 3>Yes, get me the money. And so they start snooping

0:56:30.160 --> 0:56:33.120
<v Speaker 3>around in Thorkel's stuff and then there's a big confrontation.

0:56:34.040 --> 0:56:37.720
<v Speaker 3>They find records of him saying that he has shrunk things,

0:56:37.760 --> 0:56:41.600
<v Speaker 3>and they're like, well, he's obviously lost his mind, and

0:56:41.640 --> 0:56:44.120
<v Speaker 3>they and then he comes in and discovers them going

0:56:44.160 --> 0:56:47.799
<v Speaker 3>through his stuff that they have a confrontation and he's like, here,

0:56:47.880 --> 0:56:50.319
<v Speaker 3>well let me explain everything to you. Come into this

0:56:50.400 --> 0:56:52.920
<v Speaker 3>room and look at my condenser. And so they all

0:56:52.920 --> 0:56:58.480
<v Speaker 3>go in there, Robinson, Bullfinch, Steve Stockton, and Pedro.

0:56:58.760 --> 0:57:01.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. At last he's like, Heyedro, get in here this room.

0:57:01.239 --> 0:57:04.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah sure, yeah, everybody cram into this into this room.

0:57:04.360 --> 0:57:07.080
<v Speaker 3>Don't be suspicious. Just look at the condenser. And then

0:57:07.120 --> 0:57:09.680
<v Speaker 3>he slams the door on them and shrinks them. And

0:57:09.719 --> 0:57:13.480
<v Speaker 3>now we've reached the situation of the film. Everybody except

0:57:13.520 --> 0:57:25.840
<v Speaker 3>Thorkel has been shrunk to about thirteen inches tall, and

0:57:25.920 --> 0:57:28.680
<v Speaker 3>so After this, you know, they're trapped in a room

0:57:28.720 --> 0:57:32.600
<v Speaker 3>having been shrunk, and Thorkel is like doing some playful diagnostics,

0:57:32.600 --> 0:57:35.520
<v Speaker 3>saying like, wow, you know, oh your your vocal cords

0:57:35.600 --> 0:57:38.440
<v Speaker 3>still work, and oh you're you're of this size, and

0:57:38.480 --> 0:57:41.880
<v Speaker 3>he's crowing over his victory over them, while the rest

0:57:41.880 --> 0:57:44.560
<v Speaker 3>of the main characters scamper around on the floor trying

0:57:44.560 --> 0:57:47.400
<v Speaker 3>to hide and escape. And here's where the special effects

0:57:47.440 --> 0:57:50.000
<v Speaker 3>just get wonderful, because a lot of what you have

0:57:50.080 --> 0:57:55.440
<v Speaker 3>here are fully built sets to make actors that normal

0:57:55.560 --> 0:57:58.760
<v Speaker 3>size appear to be like, you know, somewhere between like

0:57:58.800 --> 0:58:02.400
<v Speaker 3>six and thirteen inches according to perspectives. So there were

0:58:02.400 --> 0:58:04.520
<v Speaker 3>like giant chairs and they'll go up to one of

0:58:04.520 --> 0:58:06.960
<v Speaker 3>the legs of the chair and crouch behind it, and

0:58:07.040 --> 0:58:08.880
<v Speaker 3>giant books and things like that.

0:58:09.680 --> 0:58:12.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I love it when films would do this, and

0:58:12.600 --> 0:58:15.800
<v Speaker 1>I guess they still do variations on this. But I

0:58:15.880 --> 0:58:20.080
<v Speaker 1>talked to a guy once in real life who had

0:58:20.120 --> 0:58:24.200
<v Speaker 1>previously worked in special effects, and he had worked on

0:58:24.320 --> 0:58:27.440
<v Speaker 1>the film Stephen King's Cat's Eye, which you might remember

0:58:27.720 --> 0:58:30.640
<v Speaker 1>doesn't have any miniaturization occurring, but it does have a

0:58:30.720 --> 0:58:33.520
<v Speaker 1>troll creature, which was of course played by like an

0:58:33.560 --> 0:58:36.040
<v Speaker 1>adult in a full size costume. In order to make

0:58:36.120 --> 0:58:38.560
<v Speaker 1>him seem like a tiny creature, they had to build

0:58:38.600 --> 0:58:43.640
<v Speaker 1>like an enormous child's bed for this actor to prance

0:58:43.680 --> 0:58:46.320
<v Speaker 1>around on. So I got to see some behind the

0:58:46.320 --> 0:58:48.280
<v Speaker 1>scenes photos of that. He had an album and it

0:58:48.320 --> 0:58:48.959
<v Speaker 1>was super cool.

0:58:49.240 --> 0:58:52.200
<v Speaker 3>I love it. I love it. I really really missed

0:58:52.200 --> 0:58:56.920
<v Speaker 3>the era of special effects through built sets and built environments.

0:58:57.720 --> 0:59:00.000
<v Speaker 3>I do feel like something really is lost, no matter

0:59:00.160 --> 0:59:03.520
<v Speaker 3>how good an animated environment can look. I mean, the

0:59:03.560 --> 0:59:06.880
<v Speaker 3>green screen world, I do feel like has lost something beautiful.

0:59:07.840 --> 0:59:09.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a craftsmanship to it. I mean not to

0:59:09.680 --> 0:59:12.400
<v Speaker 1>say there's not a craftsmanship in creating virtual environments, but

0:59:14.000 --> 0:59:18.600
<v Speaker 1>there's a physical craft to it that perhaps is kind

0:59:18.600 --> 0:59:19.520
<v Speaker 1>of lost. You know.

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<v Speaker 3>One thing I noticed at the very beginning is that

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<v Speaker 3>as soon as we come on the new characters, I

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<v Speaker 3>guess they are too small for their original clothes now.

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<v Speaker 3>So instead the characters have all replaced their original clothes

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<v Speaker 3>with like togas. They're like little torn pieces of cloth

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<v Speaker 3>that they're wearing like togas and stuff. And this really

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<v Speaker 3>I think heightens the connection to the odyssey.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, And of course this the film will continue

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<v Speaker 1>to it will let you know that it is referencing

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<v Speaker 1>the Odyssey. It's going to be very direct about it.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, this may be the first sign that they're

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<v Speaker 1>going in that direction. So I love this because they

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<v Speaker 1>their clothes were not shrunk. Doctor Thorkel is picking up

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<v Speaker 1>their clothes and putting them in a bag later. But

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<v Speaker 1>I guess he left either are pristine handkerchiefs in there

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<v Speaker 1>and some sewing equipment at scale for them, or he

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<v Speaker 1>had pre arranged clothing made from handkerchiefs for them, one

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<v Speaker 1>or the other, because they seem to fit rather well.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and so Thorkel says that, you know, he's like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>I've been working for days without rest, and now I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to fall asleep. So he falls asleep, and while

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<v Speaker 3>he's asleep, they escaped the room by building a tower

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<v Speaker 3>out of books and using a match stick to draw

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<v Speaker 3>back the bolt on the door. And then there's a

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<v Speaker 3>there's a great moment I loved where they're trying to

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<v Speaker 3>sneak around outside once they've gotten out, and there are

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<v Speaker 3>some chickens just like ye, giant chickens and giant chickens

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<v Speaker 3>that would be really scary. I mean, that's like a dinosaur.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would be terrified, Yes, like a big feathered

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<v Speaker 1>t rex. And you know, I guess with any of

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<v Speaker 1>these animals, you have to ask yourself, what is the

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<v Speaker 1>threshold of miniaturization at which I am identified as potential

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<v Speaker 1>prey by this animal?

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<v Speaker 3>Right, And the chickens never try to eat them, but

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<v Speaker 3>the implication is there, I mean I really do. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you were thirteen inches tall and you were

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<v Speaker 3>walking past a chicken, I mean, that'd probably be like

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<v Speaker 3>a a human walking past a dynonicus or something like

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<v Speaker 3>therapod dinosaur, the predatory one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if it decided you were worth a pack, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean that could that would be death.

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<v Speaker 3>But they do a thing that really did make me laugh.

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<v Speaker 3>They do the justac natural walk while they walk past

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<v Speaker 3>the chickens, like pretend like we're supposed to be here,

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<v Speaker 3>and then they get attacked by Satanas the cat, and

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<v Speaker 3>they have to hide among a bunch of cactus, which

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<v Speaker 3>I thought was a cool idea.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And Pedro's dog Tipo eventually comes to the rescue,

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<v Speaker 3>chases off Satanas, and here we get we here we

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<v Speaker 3>get the movie. I guess offering thoughts about how you

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<v Speaker 3>would be treated differently if you were miniaturized by a

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<v Speaker 3>cat versus by a dog.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this was fun because I've heard this this many

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<v Speaker 1>times before, people commenting that, Okay, if you were to

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly be you know, an inch tall or whatever, you

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<v Speaker 1>your dog would'll be your friend, but your cat would

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<v Speaker 1>just eat you immediately. And I don't disagree with that principle,

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<v Speaker 1>though I do. If I'm gonna seriously consider the question,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna wonder if a dog would be able to

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<v Speaker 1>recognize you by side or by smell in a miniaturized form,

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<v Speaker 1>like if you start asking hard scientific questions about all

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<v Speaker 1>of this.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I am a dog lover, but I

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<v Speaker 3>kind of think the dog would eat you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, I guess it's we're more inclined to believe

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<v Speaker 1>and want to believe. The dog would be like, oh, master,

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<v Speaker 1>why are you so small? Let me help you, whereas

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<v Speaker 1>there's no doubt with the cat, like the cat would

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<v Speaker 1>be like, sorry, the table has turned, and you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I have to do.

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<v Speaker 3>The cat would one hundred percent each you. I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like I'm at about eighty percent, and the dog would

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<v Speaker 3>eat you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. In a way, it's like that slight level of

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<v Speaker 1>uncertainty that makes it more terrifying. Like if you were

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly miniaturized in your home, you'd be like, oh crap,

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<v Speaker 1>I got to avoid the cat at all costs because

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<v Speaker 1>that is death. But then you're like, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>about the dog. The dog could be my savior, but

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<v Speaker 1>the dog might just eat me anyway, or at least

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<v Speaker 1>put me in his mouth for a while.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So after this we get a little interlude where we

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<v Speaker 3>see the humans sort of adapting to their new scale,

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<v Speaker 3>and it sort of turns into one of those recapitulation

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<v Speaker 3>of the discovery of technology narratives like you get in

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<v Speaker 3>stories like the Swiss Family Robinson. I think that's really

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<v Speaker 3>part of the pleasure people get in a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>castaway stories. Is they really like that, like watching people

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<v Speaker 3>rebuild technological capability out of the materials available to them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like a Robinson Crusoe or to a certain extent,

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<v Speaker 1>Flight of the Phoenix was like that. I think they

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<v Speaker 1>remade it at some point, but the original was like

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<v Speaker 1>a god, was it a be not to be twenty four?

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<v Speaker 1>It was a b oh, it was a B twenty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, B twenty nine crashes in the desert and

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<v Speaker 1>then they have to take it apart and try and

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<v Speaker 1>build a new airplane out of this four prop engine

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<v Speaker 1>airplane and then fly out of the desert in it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, obviously, the fact that this type of narrative recurs

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<v Speaker 3>so much, I mean, I do think it's clear that, like,

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<v Speaker 3>some people really enjoy watching this sort of thing happen.

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<v Speaker 3>It's some kind of fantasy fulfillment. And this movie has

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<v Speaker 3>stuff kind of like this, except instead of a desert

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<v Speaker 3>island where you're trying to recreate known technology and solutions

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<v Speaker 3>and stuff out of I don't know, coconuts or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>Instead it's on a tiny scale, so you see them

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<v Speaker 3>figuring out how to use a needle as a giant drill,

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<v Speaker 3>or a scissor handle as a sword and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, you know, I have to jump back in

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<v Speaker 1>and say, I'm mistaken. It was not a B twenty

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<v Speaker 1>nine and Flight of the Phoenix. It was a C

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<v Speaker 1>eighty two. But I think I'm confusing it with some

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<v Speaker 1>Disney film that came out where they the characters did

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<v Speaker 1>a similar thing and turned a B twenty nine into

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<v Speaker 1>a sailing vessel of some sort. But at any rate,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a it's a trope. It's a fun thing that

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<v Speaker 1>you see in a lot of films.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that water World.

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<v Speaker 1>They might have had one of these in water World,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was a different film that I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>I ever saw, but I vaguely remember the VHS box

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<v Speaker 1>for it.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, it's the version of Noah's Arc made made with

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<v Speaker 3>John Voight. I'm pretty sure that had some aircraft in it.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, I've looked it up, Joe, and it is the

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<v Speaker 1>Last Flight of Noah's Arc from nineteen eighty. He had

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<v Speaker 1>starred Elliott Gould and a B twenty nine.

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<v Speaker 3>The Last Flight of Noah's Ark. You're not kidding.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not kidding. That was the name. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>Disney film. I don't think this one has been added

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<v Speaker 1>to Disney Plus yet.

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<v Speaker 3>I was joking the John Voight Noah's Ark does have

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<v Speaker 3>pirates in it, but I don't recall aircraft.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, anyway back to miniaturize people. They're making tools,

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<v Speaker 1>they're rediscovering what they can use for a weapon, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>They're making new clothes all while Doctor Thorkel is snoozing

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<v Speaker 1>off his latest science bender.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and when he does wake up from the science bender.

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<v Speaker 3>He has got a bit of a science hangovers. He's

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<v Speaker 3>kinda he's kind of frisky, but he's also kind of mad,

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<v Speaker 3>and he's like, what is he going to do with

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<v Speaker 3>these these with these shrunken people, And doctor Bilfinch starts

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<v Speaker 3>he's still just like mouth and off to Thorpell, he's like,

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<v Speaker 3>he's like, we are prisoners in cyclops cave, again recalling

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<v Speaker 3>the story from the Odyssey where Ulysses or he calls

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<v Speaker 3>him Ulysses in the movie Ulysses may be better known

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<v Speaker 3>today as Odysseus and his crew are captured within the

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<v Speaker 3>cave of Polyphemus the Cyclops I don't remember on some

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<v Speaker 3>island and they have to find a way to escape,

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<v Speaker 3>and they end up blinding the Cyclops by stabbing in

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<v Speaker 3>the him in the eye. But Odysseus has said that

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<v Speaker 3>his name is no One, So when somebody comes to

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<v Speaker 3>ask if the Cyclops needs help, the Cyclops says, no

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<v Speaker 3>one is hurting me. Very clever, yes. But doctor Thorkel

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<v Speaker 3>ends up catching Bullfinch in a net oh after a

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<v Speaker 3>part where Bullfinch tells off a chicken, He's like, go away,

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<v Speaker 3>you ridiculous vowl and Bullfinch, as always, is extremely uncooperative.

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<v Speaker 3>Thorkel is like, he brings him inside to measure him

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<v Speaker 3>in various ways, and then Thorkel expresses disappointment. This is

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<v Speaker 3>privately just between him and Bullfinch. All the other people

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<v Speaker 3>are still outside. He says, you know what, Your bodies

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<v Speaker 3>are growing. Your bodies are reacting as if you have

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<v Speaker 3>reverted to childhood, and you will eventually grow back to

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<v Speaker 3>regular size. And Thorkel, of course can't allow this because

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<v Speaker 3>then they would interfere with his work again. So Thorkel

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<v Speaker 3>turns to murder once again. We've seen him. We've seen

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<v Speaker 3>him murder to solve a problem at the beginning of

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<v Speaker 3>the movie. And his eyes, his eyes become cold, and

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<v Speaker 3>he's like, I'm gonna do it again. And he gets

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<v Speaker 3>a cotton swab and puts it in some kind of

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<v Speaker 3>chemical and smothers doctor Bullfinch with it and kills him.

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<v Speaker 3>And there's like a giant fake hand for Bullfinch to

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<v Speaker 3>be held in. It's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a great scene and again very brutal. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>despite the sanitized nature of this film as a whole,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just a cold murder of the of this professor,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. But also during this scene, I was thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about what the doctor Thorkel said about how you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>grow as if you were children into adult form again,

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<v Speaker 1>which in this movie all it means is you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get big again by the end of the film and

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<v Speaker 1>the and it's saying like, if you had hidden, you

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<v Speaker 1>would have just returned to normal anyway, but instead you

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<v Speaker 1>came back to me and now it will kill you.

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<v Speaker 1>But I had a moment there where I was imagining,

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<v Speaker 1>like what does this mean? Because a baby is not

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<v Speaker 1>like a miniature adult, you know, it changes a lot

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<v Speaker 1>as it becomes a grown person. So I was trying

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<v Speaker 1>to just contemplate, like what would that mean if you

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<v Speaker 1>were a miniaturized person and then you grew, like what

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<v Speaker 1>monstrous full sized forms would they grow into.

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<v Speaker 3>You're gonna have skull plates fusing together again, Like what's

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<v Speaker 3>going like?

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<v Speaker 1>So I that was kind of a nightmare scenario that

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<v Speaker 1>this film does not explore. But I had a moment

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<v Speaker 1>there I was like, oh my.

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<v Speaker 3>God, doctor Bullfinch say hello to a second round of

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<v Speaker 3>baby teeth. Yeah, And then so we mentioned that scene

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<v Speaker 3>is kind of brutal. There's another there's a lot of imployed,

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<v Speaker 3>Like this is not a bloody film, but there's a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of implied violence in it that is very brutal

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<v Speaker 3>in its suggestions. So you see that the other humans

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<v Speaker 3>after Bullfinch is murdered, they're hiding in this big thicket

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<v Speaker 3>of cactus and then Thorkel comes out and I guess

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<v Speaker 3>he's trying to kill them, and he starts chopping up

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<v Speaker 3>the cactus with a shovel. It's messed up, but uh,

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<v Speaker 3>we find when he chops it all up, and then

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<v Speaker 3>finds they've escaped through a hole in the wall out

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<v Speaker 3>into the jungle, and Thorkel taunts them over the wall,

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<v Speaker 3>saying that they will never live half an hour out

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<v Speaker 3>in the jungle, and sure enough there comes along a storm,

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<v Speaker 3>which again to think about how terrifying of a threat

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<v Speaker 3>a storm would be if you were tiny, if you

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<v Speaker 3>were like, you know, six inches tall or a foot

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<v Speaker 3>tall or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>This is, Yeah, I mean just on top of the

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<v Speaker 1>jungle itself. Like when Thorkel said that, I was like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>he's absolutely right, Like to go into the jungle at

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<v Speaker 1>this size is just death, Like everything is going to

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<v Speaker 1>potentially eat you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But and then on top of that the storm right.

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<v Speaker 3>And again this comes back to the hall day and

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<v Speaker 3>essay I mentioned earlier on being the right size. The

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<v Speaker 3>thing about how when you have a much larger surface

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<v Speaker 3>area to mass ratio as smaller creatures do. There are

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<v Speaker 3>advantages to that, Like you can fall off of a

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<v Speaker 3>roof and probably not be hurt because you know the

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<v Speaker 3>amount of air resistance provided by the surface of your

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<v Speaker 3>body will be enough to keep you going pretty slow

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<v Speaker 3>actually as you fall compared to the mass in your body.

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<v Speaker 3>But the downsides are like getting wet is a terrifying

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<v Speaker 3>proposition when you are tiny, Like the surface tension of

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<v Speaker 3>water clings to you like a kind of slime. And

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<v Speaker 3>so imagine, yeah, you're out in the jungle and the

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<v Speaker 3>rain is coming down and there's rivulets everywhere. Very scary.

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<v Speaker 3>So they end up coming across a boat in a

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<v Speaker 3>river later on, and they try to use technology to

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<v Speaker 3>free it, and they get attacked by a crocodilian. I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's a crocodile, might have been an alligator. I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't check the nose shaped too well, but the crocodile

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<v Speaker 3>attack sequence is great. Trying to fend it off with fire,

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<v Speaker 3>but they've got these like little tiny sticks that are

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<v Speaker 3>on fire that are just not enough fire.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're just kind of dropping it on the creature

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<v Speaker 1>and doesn't seem to particularly care.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and then eventually, after they chase it off by

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<v Speaker 3>throwing a bunch of flaming sticks on it, Thorkel returns.

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<v Speaker 3>He comes and finds them, and again it's brutal. Pedro

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<v Speaker 3>heroically leads his dog away from them, drawing off the smell,

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<v Speaker 3>and so he saves the rest of the people, but

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<v Speaker 3>Thorkel sees him and shoots him, and so Pedro has

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<v Speaker 3>been murdered. And then after that, the rest of the

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<v Speaker 3>people are hiding in some grass and Thorkel starts stomping

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<v Speaker 3>through the grass, and then when he can't find them,

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<v Speaker 3>he burns the grass.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so there's this inferno that he starts here, just

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<v Speaker 1>trying to flush them out. Yeah, but he doesn't quite work,

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<v Speaker 1>because they find another place that they can hide themselves, right.

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<v Speaker 3>They stow away in his specimen box, the box that

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<v Speaker 3>he was going to put them in when he found them.

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<v Speaker 3>And so Robinson, Stockton and Steve the mule Guy are

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<v Speaker 3>the three people left alive, and they ride back in

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<v Speaker 3>this box to Thorkell's hut, and once they get there,

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<v Speaker 3>they get out and Stockton decides, no, I'm gonna stand

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<v Speaker 3>my ground this time. I'm not gonna try to escape.

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<v Speaker 3>We've got to kill Thorkel and the other to agree.

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<v Speaker 3>So first they try to aim a shotgun like a

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<v Speaker 3>cannon at his pillow in his bed, but then Thorkel

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't go to bed. Instead he falls asleep in his chair.

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<v Speaker 3>And then it really gets into the blinding of Polyphemus

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<v Speaker 3>in the Odyssey because they steal his glasses. Remember it

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<v Speaker 3>said at the beginning that he called them there because

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<v Speaker 3>his eyes were so damaged he really couldn't see without

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<v Speaker 3>his glasses. And they they know where he keeps his

1:12:44.680 --> 1:12:46.920
<v Speaker 3>extra pairs of glasses because they find them when they're

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<v Speaker 3>going through his stuff earlier, and they hide those.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they stick them through like a hole on the

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<v Speaker 1>floor of the wall. So now he has the only,

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<v Speaker 1>only the one pair, and they remove those as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, suddenly you have this this blinded polythemous trope

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<v Speaker 1>going on here.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and so Thorkel is enraged. He's smashing, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>he's running around trying to destroy them. He does recover

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<v Speaker 3>one pair of glasses, but one of the lenses is smashed,

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<v Speaker 3>and he says, now you can call me Cyclops because

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<v Speaker 3>I have one good eye.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for being clear about the title the film,

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor thorp Kel.

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<v Speaker 3>I think they could have done without that. Yeah, But

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<v Speaker 3>so there's a final confrontation in the end. I won't

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<v Speaker 3>spoil exactly how it happens, but they are victorious. They

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<v Speaker 3>end up they end up defeating doctor Cyclops here and

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<v Speaker 3>in the end, the three remaining characters they regrow to

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<v Speaker 3>full size and they travel back to civilization. And the

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<v Speaker 3>main things now we find are that Stockton and Robinson

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<v Speaker 3>are now in love because of course, and we find

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<v Speaker 3>that Steve the mule guy does not like cats. Like

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<v Speaker 3>he sees a cat back in the town they go

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<v Speaker 3>to and he's like, scram.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, maybe you remember this. I watched it last week,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think you watched it this morning. Did we

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<v Speaker 1>ever get any real payoff with Satanas? Like, like, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not like they had a big throwdown with the Like

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't have a big fight with the cat. They

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have to like slay the cat or I think

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<v Speaker 1>the dog just chased Satanas off and that was it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm glad they didn't have to kill the cat

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<v Speaker 3>because I mean, the cat's just being a cat.

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<v Speaker 1>It's true, yeah, I mean, but but I also wonder

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<v Speaker 1>like was that like maybe something they wanted to do

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<v Speaker 1>but they just didn't have the effects, Like maybe that

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<v Speaker 1>was just too much of an effects asked to have,

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<v Speaker 1>like a big fight with a giant cat. I don't know, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Because of you know, there there were

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<v Speaker 1>films that you know, they would later go more in

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<v Speaker 1>that direction of having you know, the cat to aggressively

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<v Speaker 1>go after tiny humans.

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<v Speaker 3>Well like Cat's Eide the one you mentioned.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that's true.

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<v Speaker 3>Well not a tiny human, an evil troll and the

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<v Speaker 3>cat there is the hero going that's right, the evil

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<v Speaker 3>tiny monster.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, this is this is absolutely a fun film.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there's not not a you know, tremendous amount

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<v Speaker 1>of depth to it. There's not a huge amount of

1:15:00.680 --> 1:15:02.559
<v Speaker 1>monster science to discuss about it. I mean, you can

1:15:02.600 --> 1:15:04.960
<v Speaker 1>take various saying. You can certainly get really pedantic on

1:15:05.040 --> 1:15:07.720
<v Speaker 1>the idea of miniaturizing organisms and then how does that

1:15:07.760 --> 1:15:15.280
<v Speaker 1>miniaturize organism react and fit in with an immediate environment

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<v Speaker 1>that it was not miniaturized, And depending on how small

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<v Speaker 1>you go, those problems can be you can be quite extreme.

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<v Speaker 1>But then there are other directions as well. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we found this interesting paper that we were both looking

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<v Speaker 1>at titled Human Engineering and Climate Change by LALs Sendberg

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<v Speaker 1>and Roche. This was from twenty twelve published in Ethics,

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<v Speaker 1>Policy and Environment, and it's pretty wild read. You can

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<v Speaker 1>find it for free online. I think we found it

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<v Speaker 1>at BLC dot Arizona dot edu. And one of the

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<v Speaker 1>things they get into is like, if you were to

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<v Speaker 1>shrink humans down, they would have less of an environmental footprint,

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<v Speaker 1>so it would ultimately be better for the environment.

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<v Speaker 3>This paper is this is something doctor Thorkel would write.

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<v Speaker 3>I started reading it and I was just like, what

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<v Speaker 3>it is interesting, but it is nuts and I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it seems like there may be more direct

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<v Speaker 3>things that could be done about climate change than saying,

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<v Speaker 3>like what if we were to shrink humans so that

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<v Speaker 3>they consume fewer resources.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there are other levers we should pull first. Certainly

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<v Speaker 1>we shouldn't take the thor kelp that path, the thor

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<v Speaker 1>Kel way on that particular problem.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's at least got to go like solar

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<v Speaker 3>panels before shrinking.

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<v Speaker 1>People absolutely all right, Well you might be wondering where

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<v Speaker 1>can I watch Doctor Cyclops. Well, these things are always

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<v Speaker 1>subject to change. But we actually had a hard time

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<v Speaker 1>tracking this one down. We couldn't find it streaming anywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>or for digital purchaser rental. We couldn't even find a

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<v Speaker 1>We couldn't find a physical rental either. So we actually

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<v Speaker 1>bought it on special edition blu ray from KL Studio

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<v Speaker 1>Classics aka Keno Lorber. It's a brand new four K Master.

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<v Speaker 1>It also has an audio commentary by film historian Richard

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<v Speaker 1>Harlan Smith. I didn't I didn't have a chance to

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<v Speaker 1>listen to it, but it sounds like it would be

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<v Speaker 1>pretty cool. The box art on this one is great,

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<v Speaker 1>Unlike some of the other previous releases that have come

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<v Speaker 1>out that had kind of like cheesy box art, like

1:17:14.680 --> 1:17:18.080
<v Speaker 1>this one has that that weird probe mechanism in the

1:17:18.080 --> 1:17:20.759
<v Speaker 1>center that is lowered into the earth. You have a

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<v Speaker 1>picture of doctor Thorkel there with it looks like lasers

1:17:24.880 --> 1:17:26.400
<v Speaker 1>coming out of his eyes. It's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's really good art.

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<v Speaker 1>But then again, this is also a classic film by

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<v Speaker 1>a notable director, so it's it's it's entirely possible. You

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<v Speaker 1>might be able to catch this one on you know,

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<v Speaker 1>one of like I don't know Turner Classic Movies or

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<v Speaker 1>something to that effect. I know we've we heard from

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<v Speaker 1>some people after we did our episode on Mad Love,

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<v Speaker 1>chiming in and saying, oh, they're showing Mad Love tonight,

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<v Speaker 1>so who knows. Maybe check your local listings. This is

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying, Well, let's do it. Then let's go

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<v Speaker 1>ahead and call it done. We're done with Doctor Cyclops here.

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<v Speaker 1>But this was a This was a fun one to watch,

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<v Speaker 1>a fun one to discuss, and if if you would

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