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Speaker 1: This week's episode of Bear Grease is very unique. I

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Speaker 1: hour long interview with Ted, and what I've learned is

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Speaker 1: there's a chance that that name wouldn't ring a bell

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Speaker 1: age of thirty five, I would say you probably recognize

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Speaker 1: the name Ted Copple. He was a broadcast journalist for

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Speaker 1: ABC Nightline from nineteen eighty to two thousand and five,

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Speaker 1: and his face would have been as recognizable as any

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Speaker 1: American president. As a matter of fact, he has interview

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Speaker 1: every American president since Nixon, and he's interviewed you just

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Speaker 1: he was on Bear Grease, which I think is pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: We talk about his life, we talk about his career

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Speaker 1: in journalism, and I really think you're gonna enjoy this

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for listening to Bear Grease. This

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Speaker 1: episode will drop on iTunes and all the audio platforms,

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Speaker 1: but also YouTube. You'll be able to watch me grilling

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Speaker 1: Ted Copple, the man who interviewed the first American guy,

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Speaker 1: And now it's his turn to feel the heat. I

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Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed, Ted Copple, My name is Clay Nukem,

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Speaker 1: and this is the Bear Grease Podcast, where we'll explore

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Speaker 1: things forgotten but relevant, search for insight and unlikely places,

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Speaker 1: and where we'll tell the story of Americans who live

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Speaker 1: their lives close to the land. Presented by FHF Gear,

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Speaker 1: American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear as designed

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Speaker 1: Mister Copple, Ted Ted, just Ti, it's great to have

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Speaker 1: Well, it's a it's a pleasure to meet you. I

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Speaker 2: Which is what brings when you here, which.

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Speaker 1: Is what brings you here today, Right, I'm really most interested.

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Speaker 1: I find there's been a lot of a lot of

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Speaker 1: Your parents fled Germany they because of persecution from Nazis.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll explain how it was when I first came over.

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Speaker 2: So I was thirteen years old, and here's this scrawny

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Speaker 1: So this actually happened, This is not, this is not,

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Speaker 1: Code switching, code switching? Code switching?

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Speaker 1: People accuse me of? Code switching sometimes?

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Speaker 1: Because you you you basically adapt your language the words

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Speaker 2: I'll start sounding like you, I told you.

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Speaker 1: And then but then when I'm with you, know, when

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Speaker 1: I'm with Ted Copple, I might I might tone it

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Speaker 2: Term a linguistic terms something new, Yes, code switching.

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Speaker 1: Because I will If you told me that somebody lived

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Speaker 1: Yes, So what brought your parents here? What did what

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Speaker 2: What brought them here? I have to believe was love

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Speaker 2: It certainly worked out that way for me.

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Speaker 1: Did they live into your career long enough that they

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Speaker 2: Really, they saw me be a war correspondent in Vietnam,

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Speaker 1: If there's one thing that I know about people, it's

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Speaker 1: Are you still living out? Would you say the value system,

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Speaker 2: I have been very respective, respectful rather of one another's religions.

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Speaker 2: They offered me a job as what was called a

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Speaker 1: Right, It's like Josh, my producer.

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Speaker 2: Well I was, you got very very close. Your wife

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Speaker 1: Were you reporting when Kennedy got assassinated? I was, was

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Speaker 2: Well, I was nineteen sixty three. That was my first year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you could have been You could have been at ABC.

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Speaker 1: You didn't expect too, didn't expect to be a journalist.

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Speaker 1: So you what did what did you do with the

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Speaker 2: I was assigned to stand outside Lyndon Johnson's he did.

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Speaker 2: In those days nineteen sixty three, the vice president of

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Speaker 1: What did you talk about? Were you like, they have

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Speaker 1: And so you're you're reporting on your ad living about

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Speaker 2: now you have. Now you have the whole story.

437
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: Incredible story because that most people wouldn't have wouldn't have

438
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: pulled that off. I mean, I don't think most people

439
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: would have had the character to just to see that

440
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: they've done something wrong and actually go back and.

441
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 2: Well it's kind of it's kind of you to put

442
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 2: it that way.

443
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's true.

444
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, all right.

445
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, interesting, Well, that's that that that checks out, because

446
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: that's sort of well, now you gave me the inside

447
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: story that no one's ever heard only on bear Grease.

448
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: Have they heard this, Well, all the reporting in the world.

449
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: A couple of other people may have heard it over

450
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 2: the years. It's just to cook it. But I doubt

451
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 2: that the bear Grease listeners had heard it before.

452
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: They probably haven't. They probably haven't. I want to talk

453
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: to you about.

454
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 2: The non viewing listeners. Need to know that at this

455
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 2: point you were checking your notes.

456
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: Right, It's true, checked it first time I checked it.

457
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: Now you you became known. You told me before we started.

458
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: There are two kinds of journalists. There are those that come.

459
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 2: Two kinds of interviewers, not two kinds of viewers, but

460
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 2: two kinds of interviewers.

461
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: There are people that have a list of questions, and

462
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:14,479
Speaker 1: then people that actually engage like a human would engage

463
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: in normal conversation. Conversation and shift and flow and listen.

464
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 2: Now you can you know, if you want to be

465
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 2: kind to your kind of interviewer, you can say it's

466
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 2: two kinds of interviewers, one who prepares and the other

467
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 2: who doesn't.

468
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: Who needs notes.

469
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 2: Right, No, I mean you prepare right, right, right, you

470
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 2: did your homework, Yes, you were a good boy.

471
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: How do you so you you've set across from world leaders? Uh,

472
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Speaker 1: give me a highlight reel of the world leaders that

473
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Speaker 1: you have. If there were a top five, who would

474
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Speaker 1: who would Ted Copple's top five world leaders that you've

475
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Speaker 1: intern viewed?

476
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, let's let's lump all the presidents together.

477
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: Okay, American presidents.

478
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 2: American presidents, that's one.

479
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: Have you interviewed all of them up until?

480
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 2: I've interviewed Trump, I've interviewed Clinton, I've interviewed Obama. I've

481
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 2: interviewed Nixon, I interviewed Reagan, I interviewed Yeah. Actually I

482
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 2: have interviewed both both Bushes. Yeah.

483
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: So you know we're going to put them in one category.

484
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: That's one category, Yeah, because they just those guys just

485
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: get a job for four years and move on, and

486
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: it's kind of inconsequential.

487
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 2: Inconsequential. On the other hand, what else is there? I

488
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 2: interviewed Nelson Mandela when he came out of prison.

489
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: Did you go to South Africa?

490
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 2: I did? I interviewed I interviewed Putin. I was the first,

491
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 2: first certain the first American journalist to short. He's about

492
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 2: my size. Yes, he's short, okay, yeah, just checking. Yeah,

493
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 2: And in fact, he and I was standing up when

494
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 2: we were when I was interviewing him, because it was

495
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 2: supposed to be a brief interview. They were going to

496
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 2: get me ten minutes, and I kept going, and finally

497
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 2: one of his aides was crawling on his belly on

498
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 2: the floor and tugging on my pants to indicate to me,

499
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 2: in case I had forgotten.

500
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Speaker 1: You kept going there.

501
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 2: I kept going there, you kept going. I had him.

502
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 2: I had what year?

503
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: What year did you interview Putin?

504
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 2: That was that was when he became president? What would

505
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 2: that have been about nineteen nineteen ninety something.

506
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: Late nineties? Yeah, okay, So Nelson Mandela.

507
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 2: Nelson Mandela Putin. Who are some of the other We've

508
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 2: got all the American presidents. Now we've got Gorbachev, Garbachov. Yes,

509
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 2: I was with Gorbachev at the Kremlin in his office

510
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 2: when he was sitting across the desk crumbing like this,

511
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 2: when he was interviewing and not interviewing, when he was

512
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 2: saying goodbye to George Bush. So that was kind of

513
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 2: a twofer. When you for a second, I'm giving you

514
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 2: a two for for here. You just go give a

515
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: ride right over it. I mean, you know how many

516
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 2: other people interviewed, you know, had Gorbachev.

517
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: And carry on my apology?

518
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, that's it.

519
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: You know, Gorbachev and and Bush at the same time.

520
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 2: At the same time. That's not bad, right.

521
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: That's not bad.

522
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 2: Right.

523
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: That's almost like the time I interviewed Roy Clark and

524
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: Warner Glenn at the same time.

525
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 2: Roy Clark, I know who's the guy.

526
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a joke. You probably don't know the

527
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: Roy Clark I'm talking about. It was an inside joke

528
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,959
Speaker 1: for my beloved bear grease people. Roy Clark is a

529
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 1: is a a plot bare hound man, a legend in

530
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 1: East Tennessee. And Warner Clark is Warner Glenn is probably

531
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 1: the the oldest living working cowboy in America. Incredible man.

532
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: He was an inside joke.

533
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 2: I think you just trumped me to coin of Fridge.

534
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe so uh okay, world leaders though you were

535
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: giving me your top five world leaders. We're close to five.

536
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 2: So oh yeah, I think you know, uh who else

537
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 2: have we got? Now? Would would any of your listeners

538
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 2: know the name Eli Zell?

539
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: I'm not familiar with that name. You're not for my wife?

540
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: Probably is?

541
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 2: I bet she is?

542
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: My wife is Yeah, she's nothing her should have just

543
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: said yes.

544
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 2: Shoul was a survivor of the Holocaust and he came

545
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 2: to this country as a refugee, and he began working

546
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 2: for peace all over the world, and he ended up

547
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 2: winning the Nobel Peace Prize. He was a wonderful man.

548
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 2: He really was an extraordinary human being who had survived many,

549
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 2: many things. I mean, he was in one of the

550
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 2: death camps. His father was killed there. I believe his

551
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 2: mother was killed there also. Anyway, so Elliott, we need more.

552
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 2: Where can we go to a different wall?

553
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: I have a question when you think about your life.

554
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,439
Speaker 1: Are interviewing world leaders because in your job that would

555
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: kind of be a pinnacle marker of success. Is that

556
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: meaningful to you or no?

557
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 2: Less than you might think, Yeah, I thought that. I

558
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 2: thought you might say, you're you're a sensitive guy. Is

559
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 2: that going to undermine your credibility with all the bear hunters? Guy?

560
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: No, because people, people that would know me at a

561
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: surface level might think they would understand the these like

562
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: external accolades that might be meaningful to me, and they

563
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't be that much.

564
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I get to do my interview later. But

565
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 2: what's the most meaningful accolade to you?

566
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: Well, the most meaningful accolade that I have. No, No,

567
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to sound cute, but.

568
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 2: Would be.

569
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: How I am when there are no cameras and no

570
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: podcasts and no people, how I am as a husband

571
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: and a father. That that is the pinnacle of of

572
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: my success, aside from which would even be a layer

573
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: deeper my what I believe God expects from me and

574
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: how I live so my connection to him. But people

575
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: might might see me sitting with Ted Copple or me No,

576
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: but some hunting escapade that was an adventure in those

577
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: things are meaningful, but they are.

578
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right. But having said that, I have a

579
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 2: whole lifetime of having done the one at the expense

580
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 2: of the other. You know, we have four children. I

581
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 2: have four children guests who takes care of them when

582
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 2: Daddy's off fighting the war or covering the war? Right right? Right?

583
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 2: You know. I was in Vietnam Laos Cambodia over a

584
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 2: period of about three years in and out. We had

585
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Speaker 2: at that point when I first went to Vietnam, we

586
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:54,439
Speaker 2: had two kids. By the time we left Hong Kong

587
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy one, we had three and a fourth

588
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: on the way. My wife was the one who took

589
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 2: care of it everything.

590
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: Which you've done it the same way, Ie, you could

591
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:05,919
Speaker 1: do it again.

592
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 2: No, what would you do different What I would do

593
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 2: differently is I would show a little more spunk. I

594
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 2: would say no. On occasion when our son was born,

595
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 2: he was born in Hong Kong. It was a very

596
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 2: difficult berth. It was a Cesarean birth. He'd had the

597
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 2: umbilical cord wrapped around his neck. He very really, very

598
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 2: nearly didn't make it two days after he was born

599
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 2: or three days after he was born. I forget which exactly.

600
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 2: I went off to Cambodia. Why because there was a.

601
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Speaker 1: War going and you were at the peak of your career.

602
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: You had to make it, or you're before the peak

603
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: of your career.

604
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 2: It's certainly. I mean, if Nightline was the peak of

605
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 2: the career, this would have been, this would have been

606
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 2: twenty years twenty years before the.

607
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: Way you were scrapping to fight to the top. Because

608
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 1: that's that's the hardest part. And I want to ask

609
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: you a question about it. That's right, like when when

610
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: you're in your thirties and when you're in your twenties,

611
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 1: when men and women are are fighting to get a

612
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: hold on life, their career, the things that are ultimately

613
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: going to help their family, right, that's the time when

614
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: we also have our children, most people, and it's so

615
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: difficult in the moment because I would I would have

616
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 1: the same scenario to some degree, not to the degree

617
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: that you traveled. Have I traveled? Not even close? But

618
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: my wife would say, yeah, Clay spends a lot of

619
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: time away. But it's such a difficult thing because all

620
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,439
Speaker 1: that made you who you are?

621
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 2: Did it?

622
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Speaker 1: Did it come at the expense of your family?

623
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 2: Though?

624
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: Was your family?

625
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: Sure? Okay, yes, absolutely, no question. I mean, my wife

626
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 2: has been heroic in terms of how she has kept

627
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Speaker 2: the family together. She's been heroic in terms of doing

628
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 2: everything that a husband would have done if he'd been home.

629
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Speaker 1: But would she want you to have done something different today?

630
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 2: I know her pretty well, but I can't answer that.

631
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think in her heart of hearts,

632
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 2: she would say, if I thought he could have stayed

633
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 2: home without becoming embittered at the loss of opportunity, I

634
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 2: would have wanted him to stay home. But she didn't

635
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 2: want me to lose that opportunity, and she didn't not

636
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 2: because of anything she wanted. We could have gotten along

637
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: with a lot less during the early years we did. Yeah,

638
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 2: those are those are difficult questions to answer. You know,

639
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 2: it's part of what you and I are going to

640
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 2: be talking about culture. What makes the culture of a

641
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 2: given society, what's important? There are some things that translate

642
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 2: from the country to the city, A lot of things

643
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: that don't right, but things like that, a man doing

644
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 2: what he feels he has to do for the family,

645
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: is it really for the family? Well, yeah, he puts

646
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 2: food on the table. That's important. In some cases, it's critical.

647
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 2: In some cases he's the only one who can do it.

648
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 2: In another case is not so much. Could I have

649
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 2: made a living without traveling all around the world, without

650
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 2: covering seven wars? You could have done it. But you

651
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 2: were correct. I was. I was a man on the

652
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 2: goal on the come right m hm.

653
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: When you when you look at your career with all

654
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 1: the all the accolades that like I read at the beginning,

655
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: what's most meaningful to you today? Because you are you

656
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Speaker 1: eighty five now? Yes, so you've you've had a lot

657
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: of time to evaluate all the stages of life. I mean,

658
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 1: it's so life is uhr, life can be confusing because

659
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm for I turned forty six yesterday, and

660
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: uh the things that I value today are far different

661
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: than they were twenty years ago, and really even different

662
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 1: than they were ten years ago.

663
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Speaker 2: Well, happy breathday.

664
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Speaker 1: Anyway, thank you, thank you, and uh And you know,

665
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 1: in every every decade passes, you're able to evaluate and

666
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: see the fruit of that decade. And at eighty five,

667
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: what what had value in your life? What's what's the

668
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: most meaningful thing? Because our culture does value success, it

669
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: values money, it values all this stuff. And then people

670
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: would look at you and go, oh man, this guy's

671
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: been massively successful. He must be the most happy man

672
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: in the world. Are you?

673
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 2: I am very happy? What is the most important thing

674
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 2: to me? My wife, my children are all grown? But

675
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 2: as whold are your kids? I know, bears to twenty three,

676
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 2: bears man's nineteen. Yes, so you're at that stage where

677
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 2: they're kind of phasing out right, they're gonna they're gonna

678
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 2: lead their own lives. But I got news for you.

679
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 2: You're going to be their daddy. Until they die or

680
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 2: until you die, whichever comes first. Right, it never stops.

681
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 2: You don't want it to stop. You want them to be,

682
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 2: to a certain degree not dependent on you, but you

683
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 2: want them to turn to you as, if not the

684
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 2: best friend, one of the best friends. Right, so that

685
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:41,439
Speaker 2: that stays the case all the way through. Mm hmm,

686
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 2: that'll never change.

687
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good advice. I've got a misty if we

688
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: need Do you have any specific questions. I've kind of

689
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 1: got one more thing, and I could talk to you

690
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: for another hour, but I want to I want to

691
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: honor your time we ask for.

692
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 2: You're gonna thirty forty five minutes, You're going to talk

693
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 2: to me for another hour.

694
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: Okay, Well maybe when I see over here and pulling

695
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 1: on my pants, I'm gonna whop him in the head

696
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: and then we'll talk for another twenty minutes. I learned

697
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 1: that from a good newscaster, So I interview a lot

698
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: of people. Was never trained in it, was never just

699
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: kind of just started doing it and became a podcaster.

700
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 2: You're a natural. You're very good.

701
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: Well, thank you, thank you. My question to you is, uh,

702
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: when you're interviewing, when you interviewed world leaders, or anyone

703
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: that you respected, may not have been a world leader,

704
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: may have been someone no one knew. How do you

705
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: how do you not get nervous? I mean, essentially is

706
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: the question. It's not a very articulate answer, but how

707
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: do you maintain control? How do you actually get out

708
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: of someone what you want from them? How do you

709
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: do that?

710
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 2: I remind myself that he's not really or she's not

711
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 2: really talking to me. I'm the instrument through which that

712
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 2: person wants to reach the audience that I have. When

713
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 2: I was doing Nightline and when Nightline was at its peak,

714
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 2: we sometimes add audiences up to nine million people a night,

715
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 2: huge audiences. So when people want access to that audience,

716
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 2: they're going to put up with a lot of nonsense

717
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 2: from some guy they might not give the time of

718
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 2: day two if it were just talking to him. I

719
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 2: don't care about you, Clay. Don't you know that it's

720
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 2: your audience. I'm after.

721
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: Understood.

722
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 2: I want to I want to talk to those bear

723
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 2: gas folks. Right, that's right, No, But I mean that's

724
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 2: that's what we all do. We're simply instruments of reaching

725
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 2: a different audience.

726
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: Do you think is that the way modern journalists think

727
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: or like these opinion opinion media people where because I

728
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: would say, that's kind of the way I do journalism.

729
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,720
Speaker 2: I think, I think it is. It sounds like sounds

730
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 2: like it.

731
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Speaker 1: I mean, I want to I'm not quite as I'm

732
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 1: just trying to let you funnel through. I mean, I'm

733
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: kind of trying to. I mean, I'm just I would

734
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: have the same conversation if there was no audience. You know,

735
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of expressing my interest. But do you

736
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: think most is that still a thing where a journalist

737
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: is just a glass window that's just reflecting into another audience.

738
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 2: Now, journalism has changed tremendously, and it's the technology that

739
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 2: has changed. I mean, the fact is, I would bet

740
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 2: that do you have any idea how large your audience is?

741
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 2: I can you tell me.

742
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: After this?

743
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 2: I will, Well, that's no help. Okay, So let's just

744
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 2: pick a number. Let's just say fifty thousand people, okay,

745
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 2: and they're all over the United States. Right. You're not

746
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 2: reaching them by radio, you're not reaching them by television.

747
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 2: You're reaching them through the internet. Right, that's right. The

748
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 2: Internet has done a curious thing because the net brings

749
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 2: literally sometimes millions of people together over an issue without

750
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 2: the controlling influence of a journalist. There aren't a whole

751
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 2: lot of journalists the way I would define the term

752
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 2: in my business anymore.

753
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 1: What are they.

754
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 2: For the most part, you know what you're getting, you

755
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 2: know what the ideology is, right, they tend to be

756
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 2: and if they are not ideologues themselves, then they're commercial ideologues. Right,

757
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 2: So that for example, a viewer of Fox News and

758
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 2: a viewer of MSNBC, no, it was pretty much what

759
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 2: he or she is going to get. It's not the

760
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 2: same thing.

761
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: And they're they're tuning in because it's telling this person's

762
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: reflecting back to this person kind of what they want

763
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: to hear exactly. And you know that.

764
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 2: So there's a there's a sympathy, you know, there's a

765
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 2: there are sympathetic vibes going back and forth between the

766
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 2: television set and the viewer.

767
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Speaker 1: And that never happened before. That wasn't common before the Internet.

768
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 2: Really, it wasn't common before the Internet if large, you know,

769
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 2: if largely because you had ABC, NBC and CBS. There

770
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 2: was no CNN, there was no MSNBC, there was no YouTube,

771
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:49,240
Speaker 2: there was no Fox. And there is a reason why

772
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 2: Walter Cronkite was at one point considered the most trustworthy person,

773
00:50:56,120 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 2: the most trusted man in America. Now, was there ever

774
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 2: an election that said Walter is the most trusted man

775
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 2: in America? No? There was I think one magazine article

776
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 2: that referred to him as such. And it stuck, and

777
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 2: it stuck, and it was you know, there was a

778
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 2: certain him I knew.

779
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: Did you ever did you ever have to arm wrestle

780
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: him or disfot him?

781
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 2: No? I am more likely I would have arm wrestled

782
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 2: with Dan Rather or Tom Brokaw, both of whom are

783
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 2: good friends.

784
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: Were the Oh yeah, were they really?

785
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 2: Oh? Sure?

786
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: Was there animosity?

787
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 2: No, no animosity, but rivalry.

788
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: But there was a professionalism though. I mean it's kind

789
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,240
Speaker 1: of like a would probably more than there would be today.

790
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 2: I think so probably. But we really I mean, you

791
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 2: know when I say, and I don't know your audience,

792
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 2: but I'm just assuming and you can correct me if

793
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 2: I'm stereotypiness. Not yet, I'm not, but I'm just about to,

794
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 2: if you'll wait for a second. I'm stereotyping in the

795
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 2: sense that I believe that many members of your audience

796
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 2: would look at a network correspondent would look at me,

797
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 2: or look at Dan Rather twenty thirty years ago and

798
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 2: town broke all the same time. We're all about the

799
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:31,959
Speaker 2: same vintage, right, and say, you know, those guys, those

800
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 2: guys were all a little bit left of center. Right,

801
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 2: maybe not even a little bit left of center. But

802
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:48,359
Speaker 2: back in our day, what else did you have? Right where? Else?

803
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 2: Where else could you go? There was ABC, there was NBC,

804
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 2: and there was CBS.

805
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,439
Speaker 1: Oh, so you had no choice but to broadcast left

806
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: of center. You wouldn't have got a job. Is that

807
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 1: what you're saying.

808
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 2: No, what I'm saying is you, as an audience member,

809
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 2: could have flipped the dial and said, yeah, I'm not

810
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 2: crazy about these guys for whatever reason, your personal reason,

811
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 2: and then you would have said, however, I got no

812
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 2: place else to go. There was no CNN, there was

813
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 2: no Fox, There was no But if I tell you now,

814
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 2: and I tell you that with great sincerity, we tried

815
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 2: very hard to be down the line. We tried very

816
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 2: hard to be honest reporters. We tried very hard to

817
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 2: give you a story without ideological twist. Having said that,

818
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 2: I will tell you it's been my life experience that

819
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 2: the reporter on the ground is always going to have

820
00:53:55,520 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 2: a slightly more liberal outlook than the people back, for example,

821
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 2: in Washington. When I was in Vietnam, for example, and

822
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 2: would come back for one of these year end shows,

823
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,760
Speaker 2: I would always get in the fights on the air

824
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 2: with our diplomatic correspondent who covered the State Department with

825
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:22,240
Speaker 2: the White House correspondent who covered the White House. Why

826
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 2: because I was bringing back the point of view of

827
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 2: the grunt on the ground in Vietnam, and they didn't

828
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 2: much care for the war. They didn't think the war

829
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 2: was going all that well. There were even a few

830
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 2: of them who thought that we were losing the war.

831
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 2: You couldn't hear that in Washington back in those days.

832
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 2: So was the reporter on the ground more liberal than

833
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 2: the reporter who was covering the State Department in the

834
00:54:54,800 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 2: White House? Absolutely? But were we by definition left of center? No.

835
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 2: We tried very hard to be right down the middle.

836
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 2: That's kind of gone these days.

837
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like you have to pick a side.

838
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 2: Well, either that or pick no side. I would argue

839
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 2: that the networks these days are less ideological than they

840
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 2: were forty fifty years ago.

841
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: I'm pretty confused by that. But are you what do

842
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean like to say, like, well, I

843
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 1: mean you could pick either side like a Fox News

844
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: or a CNN.

845
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,479
Speaker 2: No no, no no, but those are not I'm talking

846
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 2: about the broadcast networks, ABC, NBC, CBS.

847
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 1: Understood, right, understood.

848
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 2: You'd think, you know what the what the ideological slant

849
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 2: is of the anchors on ABC, NBC and CBS. I'm

850
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 2: not sure that they have one, and they shouldn't, Okay,

851
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 2: But I also think that the stories that they do

852
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 2: are less tough than the ones we used to do.

853
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 2: M point of view, Yeah, and it's a point of

854
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 2: view that comes from an eighty five year old geezer

855
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 2: who it's been out the pasture for quite a while.

856
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: So what what's your prediction of how things are going

857
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: to go? Because the Internet truly is a technology that

858
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: changed planet Earth. Humans have never done this before what

859
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 1: we're doing, and like, media was so impacting to society

860
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 1: for so long and now it's you know, people are

861
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: getting their news from everywhere, They're getting their news from

862
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 1: where they want. There's news coming to your phone coming Like,

863
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 1: what's the projection of what media is going to do

864
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: to this country in twenty years?

865
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 2: I'm not optimistic. I don't think it's leading us in

866
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 2: a good direction. Let me put it this way. Thirty

867
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 2: forty years ago, a couple of guys sitting at a

868
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 2: bar having an argument happened all the time. Now that

869
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 2: argument ends up on the Internet, and before you know it,

870
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 2: you've got half a million people engaged, and where they're

871
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:46,479
Speaker 2: getting their information may not be the best place. Part

872
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 2: of the problem is people's information frequently has an ideological

873
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 2: bias on the left and on the right, and the

874
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 2: end result is you've got people in our country today

875
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 2: who are at odds with one another only because of

876
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 2: what they're hearing or reading or seeing on their carefully

877
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 2: selected medium, which reflects their point of view to begin with.

878
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 2: That's why they picked it, and it's driving us as

879
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 2: a people further and further apart.

880
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: I agree there you, Oh yeah, good, Absolutely, I think

881
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: I think it's it's tearing us apart. Part of the seams.

882
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 1: I mean, and I don't know that there's a there's

883
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: a better solution, but yeah, it's interesting.

884
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 2: It's not whether there's a worse or a better solution.

885
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 2: The problem. The technology is picked us up in its

886
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 2: teeth and is running down the road with us. Yeah, yep,

887
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 2: we have no say in it anymore. I mean, how

888
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 2: do you well, I'll ask you later. How do you

889
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 2: feel about influencers? What is an influencer? Do you know?

890
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: I do? Are you an influencer? I don't want to be,

891
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: are you? I mean, I think some people would consider

892
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: me that. I mean, I'm just being honest. I'm not.

893
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: It's not a flattering term to me. Neither is being

894
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: a podcaster. I don't interced be it. A podcaster is

895
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: like being a used car salesman. Really, I don't want

896
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 1: to be a podcaster.

897
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 2: No, well, that's easy, stop it.

898
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: Well, but I am very interested in people and their

899
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 1: stories and interpreting their stories to the world.

900
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 2: You are a very good communicator, and so you should

901
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 2: do it. You have to do it on the medium

902
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 2: that's available to you, right And you know, so far

903
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 2: you haven't received an imitation from the network, but maybe

904
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 2: you will.

905
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: Maybe you think you'd get me a job at would

906
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: you take it?

907
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 2: Well?

908
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 1: You know what talks you know in the poorest state

909
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 1: in the country.

910
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. You know what they don't give

911
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 2: away these days in the in the richest city in

912
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 2: the country.

913
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 1: What's that? A whole lot of money, A whole lot

914
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: of money. Same here, man, same problem here, Yep, I

915
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: don't know are we? Are we good? Destined? Okay? I

916
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 1: saw you inching up. I thought you were going to

917
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: crawl over here and pull my pant legs. Almost so, okay, Misty,

918
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 1: is there anything else I need? Ask? How old were

919
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: your daughters when when you stayed home? The year you

920
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:48,959
Speaker 1: stay home it would have been Misty asked how old

921
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 1: his daughters were when he stayed home.

922
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 2: Well, the oldest daughter would have been thirteen or fourteen,

923
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 2: and then the nixt phone would have been eleven or twelve,

924
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 2: and the youngest would have been about six. And I

925
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 2: had a son at that point and he would have

926
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 2: been about eight, right, seven or eight? Yeah?

927
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 1: Who better?

928
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 2: What do you mean? Who cooked better?

929
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 1: Between you and your wife?

930
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:37,919
Speaker 2: Misty? Do I look suicidal to you? All I keep

931
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 2: thinking about is I heard I heard an interview with

932
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 2: Jimmy Carter on the radio and it had something to

933
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 2: do with pork chops and peanut butter. And I cooked

934
01:01:54,520 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 2: it that evening and they were awful. I mean they

935
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 2: It must have been me, because I'm sure you know

936
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 2: if Jimmy had cooked and they would have been just fine,

937
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:11,479
Speaker 2: but I was lousy on the pork chops and peanut butter.

938
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 1: Have you ever had wild game?

939
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 2: If I, well, I'll tell you when I would have

940
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 2: had wild game when I was in boarding school. I

941
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 2: was in boarding school in like nineteen fifty one, fifty

942
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 2: two fifty three in England, in England, and that was

943
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 2: shortly after the war the war ended nineteen forty five,

944
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 2: Second World War. I know we had a lot of rabbit, really.

945
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it would have been farm raised rabbit.

946
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 2: No, no, no, it would have been oh no, like.

947
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 1: Wild hunter killed rabbits. Yeah, in the boarding school in England.

948
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 2: Well, it was the only meat they could get. Yeah, oh,

949
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 2: after the war, after the.

950
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 1: War, it was it was distressing times.

951
01:02:54,800 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 2: They were distressing times. So you know, I rabbit with gusto. Okay,

952
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 2: I'm not sure I could.

953
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 1: Have could have helped you in your quickness and agility

954
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 1: over the years.

955
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 2: Never know either that or my stupidity. You can't tell.

956
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 2: It's uh, I'm trying to think. I have never there

957
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 2: is no question about it. I've never tasted bear. How

958
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 2: does bear toost? Bear?

959
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 1: Is uh?

960
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 2: Uh?

961
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 1: In the words of one of the early explorers of America.

962
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 1: It tastes betwixt pork and beef.

963
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 2: Betwixt betwixt pork and beef. Yeah, well, I like pork

964
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 2: and I like beef.

965
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 1: I'm being quite serious, and I would say, I would say,

966
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 1: this is I believable with all my heart?

967
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 2: Is it? Gamey?

968
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 1: No? You you would eat bear meat that I cooked

969
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 1: for you and you would think it was beef.

970
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 2: I will tell you a cook World War two story,

971
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 2: meat was rare. M m. My mother came home one

972
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:13,439
Speaker 2: day bearing a steak. Hmm wed. I had never seen

973
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 2: a steak. My father had many times, right, but not

974
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 2: during the war. And she cooked that steak, and my

975
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 2: father ate it, and I ate it, and she touched

976
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 2: neary a bite of that steak. Now you're thinking, I

977
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:41,959
Speaker 2: know what you're thinking. Horse. Hmmm. No, what else could

978
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 2: it have.

979
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 1: Been a steak? It was red marbled.

980
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 2: Meat, not marbled, but red meat.

981
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 1: Red meat. Yes, well, I mean I would I would

982
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 1: have thought she.

983
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 2: Or beef.

984
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 1: But was it a mule?

985
01:04:55,840 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 2: No, it was a whale whale whale meat. Well, meat

986
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 2: tasted a little bit fishy, but red meat. Mm.

987
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 1: Right, you ever had what's the name, it's right on

988
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 1: my I should have just gone for it. It's it's

989
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 1: never it's it's the it's the outer layer of skin

990
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 1: of a whale with a big chunk of fat. The Inuits,

991
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 1: the Arctic people in the Arctic eat it, leat it's

992
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 1: muck tuck tuck. Oh my gosh, they eat it. They

993
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 1: put seal.

994
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 2: Oil on it.

995
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 1: Tastes ocean.

996
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 2: Let let the record show that Misty is sort of

997
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:44,919
Speaker 2: moving her hands in a flat facing the floor, back

998
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 2: and forth, indicating I.

999
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 1: Stand by my second swing at matt muck tuck, muck tuck.

1000
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 1: And it's a it's a it's but it's it's the

1001
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 1: fat and outer layers.

1002
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 2: It's beautiful.

1003
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 1: It's black, it has a little square and it's white.

1004
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 1: And they eat it. It tastes like the ocean tastes

1005
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 1: like it tastes like you're in and you're in the

1006
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 1: in the in the Atlantic. You know, with swimming with

1007
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:10,439
Speaker 1: a fish. It's bad. It is not good.

1008
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 2: Can't wait? Well, you have you have achieved your primary

1009
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 2: goal here, yes, which is to so exhaust me that

1010
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 2: I can't really interview you. But I'll do the best

1011
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 2: I can.

1012
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 1: Well, mister Copple ted ted truly a pleasure. Thank you,

1013
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 1: this will be talking with you today on Burgery School.

1014
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 1: Definitely be in the top ten to twenty interviews I've ever.

1015
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 2: Done well top ten twenty No.

1016
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, much much higher than that, much more

1017
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 1: time I was. I set you up for that. For

1018
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 1: those not watching, I lifted up my hand and was

1019
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 1: counting on the five digits. He thought I was going

1020
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 1: in for top five. No, truly in honor, truly, in honor,

1021
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming to Arkansas play and

1022
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 1: take the time. I wasn't when I when I asked

1023
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 1: your producer if you would sit down with me for

1024
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 1: Bear Greece, I honestly thought there's no way he would

1025
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 1: do it. So your your kindness and generosity is is noted.

1026
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 2: Well together with kindness and generosity, please include stupidity. No,

1027
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 2: it was a pleasure, it really was. Thank you. You

1028
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 2: were brainious. Thank you