1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: What better time than the present for us to introduce 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: this week's classic episode. It's not a ghost story, it's 3 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: not necessarily um a horror story. It is a horrible 4 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 1: loss of a life. But it's a mystery for sure. 5 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: Yeah it's for me, it's horror mystery because there's so 6 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: many questions that remain. What happened to Elsa Lamb when 7 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: she was in that hotel we caught her on camera? 8 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: How did she end up where she ended up? That's 9 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 1: really what this episode is about. That's what this story 10 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: is about. And there there are Look, I don't want 11 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: to spoiler this too much, but this thing still has 12 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: questions surrounding it. So why don't we jump in. Let's 13 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: learn everything we can and what we know at least 14 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: as of February, from UFOs to psychic power. Since government 15 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: conspue receives, history is riddled with unexplained events. You can 16 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want 17 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: you to know. Hello, welcome back to the show. My 18 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: name is Matt, my name is no and Ben you 19 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: are you that makes this stuff they don't want you 20 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 1: to know. I want to check in with everybody. We're 21 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: we're at the end of the week. Today, it's Friday. 22 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: We need big plans for the weekend. It's almost end 23 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: of the month. To already almost into February. I feel 24 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: like this month has achieved some weird form of time control, 25 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: like it's extended out in my mind to feel like 26 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: a much longer period of time than it's actually been. Yeah, 27 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: we've been here a very long time because at the 28 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: beginning of the month, of course, I like millions of 29 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: their Americans play Bone Thugs and Harmony first of the 30 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: month just to get motivated. And it feels like it's 31 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: been years since I've done that. January has been very long. 32 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: I was gonna say it feels like it just started. 33 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: I miss my Michael, Charles y'all. One day, one day, 34 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 1: maybe we can we can finally finish that Chick fil 35 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: A based parody song we wrote about using the melody 36 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:31,239 Speaker 1: of Bone Thugs and Harmony. The reason we're talking about 37 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,519 Speaker 1: time and plans for the weekend and stuff is because 38 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 1: you know, we've all been traveling more. We'll be traveling 39 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 1: more over this year, especially as a show. And today's 40 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: episode is about someone who went on their own journey, 41 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: person named Alsa Lamb on February first, a twenty one 42 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: year old Canadian in college student named Elisa Lamb vanished 43 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 1: while staying at the Cecil Hotel in downtown Los Angeles. Now, 44 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: this is in the skid Row area of Los Angeles, 45 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: which is has a reputation for being a bit dangerous 46 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: um CD if you will, lots of drugs crime in 47 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: this area. UM that's just something to take note of. 48 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: She was traveling alone via amtrack and she was taking 49 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: the bus a lot and she called this her quote 50 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: West Coast tour. And unfortunately, when this young woman went missing, 51 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: the cops, the police officers had no leads. The people 52 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: who were investigating, that is with the exception of a 53 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: small video, a short snippet of video that they released 54 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: to the public. And this is a video of Elisa 55 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: Lamb in an elevator. May I describe it? Yes? Please? 56 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: In this video released by the l A p D, 57 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: which at the point the most popular posting, possibly the 58 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: only one on YouTube, has a whopping seventeen million, four 59 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: nine thousand and nineteen views. The videos a little under 60 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: four minutes and it shows this young woman wearing a 61 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: red hoodie and a black skirt walking into an elevator 62 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 1: and proceeding to press all of the buttons for the 63 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: floors in the middle of the dial of the panel 64 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: and the elevator, and then sort of standing back against 65 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: the back of the elevator and waiting for something. We 66 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: don't quite know what, but the doors to the elevator 67 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: never close, and this seems to disturb Miss Lamb, and 68 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: she kind of acts as though she's hiding in a corner, 69 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,799 Speaker 1: but it's it's not a real sense of imminent fear 70 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: of something that she sees. It's more of preparing for 71 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: something to come. On this she huddles back against the 72 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: back corner of the elevator and then proceeds to kind 73 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 1: of peek out of the elevator doors, which are still 74 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: not closing. It's been about seconds at this point. She 75 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: makes several very wide steps from inside the elevator out 76 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: into the hall and then back, repeating these movements almost 77 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: as if doing some sort of ritual. It's very very 78 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: unsettling video to watch, honestly, and I recommend you guys 79 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: search it out and check it out for yourself even 80 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 1: now before proceeding with the episode exactly. And we'll have 81 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 1: more information about the about the elevator video a little 82 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: later in the show. Right now, we're still in several 83 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: weeks later, the public has seen the video. It's out 84 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: there in the world. And after some complaints about water pressure. 85 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 1: On February, hotel maintenance employee named Santiago Lopez hiked a 86 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: set of stairs to the roof and then climbed the 87 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 1: ladder to reach one of four ten foot tall water tanks. 88 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: He noticed that the hatch on one of these tanks 89 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 1: was open, and that is where he discovered a Lisa Lamb, 90 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 1: or at least her corpse, floating inside the tank face up. 91 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 1: She was nude, but authorities for the record ruled out 92 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: evidence of sexual assault. And this should be the closure 93 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: for a tragic but all too common death by drowning 94 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: these occur every every year in the US and abroad. 95 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: Instead of became the beginning of a mystery. And here 96 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: we are, almost four years after the incident with almost 97 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: no solid answers. So what happened to Alisa Lamb? We're 98 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 1: going to explore the numerous theories surrounding surrounding the night 99 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: of her disappearance and what happened after the discovery of 100 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: her remains. So let's take a minute to explore the 101 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: life of Alisa Lamb. Here's what we know. Here are 102 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,919 Speaker 1: the facts. UM. Her parents immigrated from Hong Kong to 103 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: open a restaurant in Burnaby near Vancouver, British Columbia, and 104 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: she was a student at the University of British Columbia. 105 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: And in January, she went on a solo trip to California, 106 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 1: which as we meant when she referred to as her 107 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,799 Speaker 1: West Coast tour UM and planned stops in San Diego, 108 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: Los Angeles, Santa Cruz, and San Francisco. UM interviews and 109 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: posts from Alisa's tumbler blog confirmed that she had difficulties 110 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: struggling with serious depression that may well have escalated into 111 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: a bipolar disorder. So, as we mentioned, uh, just a 112 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: few minutes ago earlier, the local law enforcement released a 113 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: video of Elissa Lamb the hotel elevator on the night 114 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: of her disappearance, which also seems to be around the 115 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: time of her uh you know, the night of her 116 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: death or within several hours. In the video, as Noel 117 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: pointed out, she appears to be hiding from an unknown entity. 118 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: One thing that you'll notice are these wild, erratic movements. 119 00:07:55,560 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: Body language experts, this is an important note. Body language 120 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: experts bleed this may be a manic period and maybe 121 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: manifesting in very strong, but very fleeting and temporary emotions. 122 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: There are times in the video where she's smiling, there 123 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: are times when she's hiding. And one thing that we 124 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: also noticed, I think we watched it is that the 125 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: door doesn't seem to close, at least not while she's 126 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: anywhere near the elevator right right, And the fact that 127 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: she pushes that whole row of buttons, which is not like, 128 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:36,319 Speaker 1: I mean, the whole thing. The reason it gave me 129 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: the creeps is the fact that the elevator doors don't open, 130 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: and she appears to be you know, I could see 131 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: it being described as manic moves, but they don't. It's 132 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: not like she's having some sort of fit or an 133 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: attack or some sort. She feels very in control. It 134 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: feels very deliberate the things that she's doing, The way 135 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: she steps out of the elevator and then back in, 136 00:08:58,240 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: and then out of the elevator again and back in, 137 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,839 Speaker 1: and then she kind of huddles against the back wall 138 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: of the elevator, sort of standing very still and upright 139 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: in the corner by the buttons in the corner by 140 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: the buttons, and like it's as though she's expecting someone 141 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: or as though she senses something, you know, there, and 142 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 1: it really I'm not one to go for that kind 143 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: of stuff A lot. I was watching the video gave 144 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: me a bit of a shiver. Yeah, especially for me. 145 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: The body language with the hands. There's a part of 146 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: the video where she exits and she's standing directly outside 147 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: into the left at the door, so she's still visible 148 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: in profile, and she just does a strange thing pivoting 149 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: her wrist and moving her hands and some sort of 150 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: it's a very strange motion, almost like a tut They 151 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: call that. I don't know if you watch that show, Yeah, 152 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: that's that really, I'm not joking. It has that almost 153 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: like sense of trying to complete the motions of a 154 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: ritual of some sort. But yes, it's very interesting. It 155 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: looks calculated and purposeful and it's intricate. That's a very 156 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: good point, and that is one of the lynch pins 157 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:16,319 Speaker 1: of the various theories surrounding the death of Alisa Lamb. 158 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: Before we get into those, I do think it is 159 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,319 Speaker 1: necessary for us to have one disclaimer which is that 160 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: we're we're pursuing this and exploring this in the utmost 161 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: respectful manner, right, and a manner of extreme respect, because 162 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: we know that sometimes when things like this get out 163 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: on the Internet, people can be very dehumanizing about it, 164 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: you know, and people have had their lives ruined when 165 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 1: they become memes because they have a dumb picture from 166 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:51,199 Speaker 1: their high school yearbook. Right. Hopefully not none of us 167 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: are speaking from experience or actually experienced that. But this 168 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: is this is a very serious thing. This is a 169 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 1: human beings life, and we can't forget that this is 170 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: a person that had family and loved ones. And if 171 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: you follow her social media presence and look, you know 172 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 1: at some of the stuff that is out there, there 173 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: is a lot of outpouring of love for her family 174 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: and from her friends, and we want to keep all 175 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: of that in mind in how we explore the various 176 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: theories behind this tragic death. And we will explore those 177 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: theories in just a moment after a word from our sponsors. Now. 178 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: In the days and years after Lisa Lamb's death, numerous 179 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: theories have sprung up from all corners of the Internet. 180 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: Usually these are um fascinating noel right, um, but you 181 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: own your words, my friends. I respect and appreciate everything 182 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: about you. Sometimes the relatively mundane others are a bit 183 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: out there. Let's let's call them extraordinary nary um. But 184 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: let's start off with the least unusual. What if Alice 185 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: lm in the grip of a bipolar episode climb the 186 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:16,319 Speaker 1: water tower self accessed, uh the roof and the stairs 187 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:23,439 Speaker 1: and open the hatch and disrobed and dropped inside. Okay, 188 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: so this is a possibility. This would probably be Occam's razor. 189 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 1: May Perhaps this would be where you'd start with. Um. Yeah, 190 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: this is the one that I would probably start with 191 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:40,959 Speaker 1: if I was an investigator. M hm, and if only 192 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: just to rule it out. So we know that it's 193 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:49,319 Speaker 1: possible to access the roof, as who is it Mr 194 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: Lopez mentioned, by getting up to the top floor, then 195 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: climbing the stairs, opening a door that has an alarm 196 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: on it, and then you're on the roof and you 197 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: can gain access to the water tanks. It's a little 198 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 1: convoluted to get there. We have some pictures here where 199 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: you can look at it, um, and you can find 200 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: them online too if you wish. Look at the cecil 201 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: hotel roof. Um. But we also know from a video 202 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: that was posted by someone online who tried to retrace 203 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: the steps of Elisa Lamb, and this person went through 204 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: the hotel room at the Cecil Hotel, got to one 205 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: of the top floors, not the very top one where 206 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: you can access the roof through the stairs, but you 207 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: can access a fire escape by climbing a ladder and 208 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 1: then you can get to the roof that way, and 209 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: then from there you can climb another ladder that gets 210 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: you up to this smaller tower that's above where the 211 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 1: water tanks are. And it is very much possible that 212 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: that is one way Elisa Lamb did access these water tanks. 213 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: The hatch itself, the way you get into one of 214 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: these water tanks is about sixteen inches large. And UM, 215 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: I have not seen anyone. I don't know if you 216 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: guys have seen anyone like actually opening one of these things. 217 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: I haven't seen video of it, at least I'm not 218 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 1: aware of it. Now. All four tanks are four by 219 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: eight feet that's one point two by two point four meters. 220 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: These cylinders are propped up on these fairly large concrete blocks, 221 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: which is why Lopez describes as a ten foot tank exactly, 222 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: and there's no fixed access to them. You can't just 223 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: climb up a ladder that's attached to one of these 224 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: tanks to get into it. That's why it's thought that 225 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: perhaps she went up around the ladder on the other side. 226 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: Um and again they're protected by those heavy lids. There 227 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: is a Reddit post on Unresolved Mysteries Ben that you 228 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: and I definitely looked at, and on here someone goes 229 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: through and starts looking at the physics of what this 230 00:14:57,680 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: hatch would be because it's this is something you can't 231 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: find in online anywhere through the official sources, and it 232 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: appears that would be around thirty pounds to fifty pounds heavy, 233 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: depending on what gage of steel what's made out of, 234 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: which is fairly heavy. If you think about that, trying 235 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: to lift that up but not impossible to lift its 236 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: certainly not impossible, and while Lane was a diminutive person, 237 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: it's not automatic proof that she couldn't lift the hatch. 238 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: The big question is whether the hatch was locked that 239 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: night right, and whether there was some way to access 240 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: the roof as a customer guest of the hotel, and 241 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: that leads us to the second theory, which is a 242 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: bit darker. What if Alsa Lamb was abducted and murdered. 243 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: This would explain why she seemed to be behaving erratically 244 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: in the video. Maybe there was someone actually following her 245 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: that she was trying to get away from. I find 246 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: that a little difficult, given you know that she didn't 247 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: run that she was just kind of hanging out in 248 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: this elevator, looking around, but not really making any efforts 249 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: to escape anything immediately threatening her. But let's continue. Um, 250 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: So there's no proof that she wasn't murdered. Let's get 251 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: that out of the way. For sure. She made blog 252 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: posts while she was staying at this hotel, UM talking 253 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: about having trouble with quote unquote creepers. UM. I guess 254 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: you know, you can interpret that any number of ways, 255 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: whether or not that was someone that was actually following 256 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: her around, a single individual that she identified, or whether 257 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: it was just like you said, it was in a 258 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: bad yeah, that kind of stuff, more general pleasantness. UM. 259 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: The blog was updated several times after her death, which 260 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: is very unusual. One of the images that's on there 261 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: is a like a graphic image and of a light 262 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 1: bulb hanging from a string against a kind of a 263 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 1: drab wall backdrop and inside the lightbulb is um kind 264 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: of snowy scene with a with a little shack and 265 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: a tree. I found that a little unsettling myself. Um, 266 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: but Ben you mentioned you feel like this could have 267 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: been a series of scheduled posts perhaps, and people can 268 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: do you know, the internet has a weird approach to time. 269 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 1: You can write uh blog post and schedule it for 270 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: years in the future technically, but still if you look 271 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: at what was it, nol, you did the legwork on 272 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 1: this too. You you saw the most recent post was 273 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: a definitely like the same year, but months later. So 274 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: it's then it becomes a question of when when that 275 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: post was actually written or scheduled to publish, or if 276 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 1: there was someone else, maybe a friend or a relative 277 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: or another unknown person who had access to it. The 278 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: biggest signpost to to this like if she had a 279 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 1: murderer who was were an employee at the hotel, then 280 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: that would explain why they were able to get up there. 281 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: The doors and the stairs that access the hotel's roof 282 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: are locked, with only staff having the past code and keys, 283 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: and any attempt to force them would have in theory 284 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: triggered an alarm. For the record, in later legal dealings 285 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,959 Speaker 1: between the hotel staff and Lamb's parents lawsuits, the staff 286 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: stated that they did not hear any alarm on the 287 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 1: night of Lamb's disappearance and probable death. And something to 288 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 1: think about here is if she did access the roof 289 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: through some other means, through a fire escape or something, 290 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 1: it would in my mind, if she was attacked by 291 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: someone not on the roof and then taken to the roof, 292 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,880 Speaker 1: that would be extremely difficult to do without having access 293 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: to the door that has an alarm on it. Yes. Yeah, 294 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: that's a very good point. And the lack of evidence 295 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: of sexual assault makes some of that a bit difficult 296 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: to believe for me. I mean, if you're going to 297 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 1: take a young lady, you know, up to the roof 298 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: like that, it seems like you would have nefarious intent 299 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: unless it was some sort of serial killer that whose 300 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: memo did not include any kind of sexual assault, right right, 301 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 1: And if it was a male serial killer, male serial 302 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: killers are typically typically have some sort of aspect of 303 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: that with them, right uh. And you know, a serial 304 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: killer wouldn't be too out of the ordinary at the 305 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 1: Cecil Hotel that's true. It has a history of uh 306 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: what was it Ramirez? Richard Ramirez there for a little while, 307 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: the not the original night Stalker, but the night Stalker. Yes, 308 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 1: Richard Ramirez, the more mainstream night Stalker, along with his 309 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: copycat Jack under Wigger, lived at the at the Cecil 310 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: Hotel while they committed their crimes. This goes into one 311 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: of the stranger theories, the idea and this is for 312 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: people who believe in things like ghosts or possession of sorts. 313 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: The Cecil Hotel has a very troubling history, similar to 314 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: the Overlook Hotel in the Shining. It seems to be 315 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: the by some dark lottery of coincidence. It is a 316 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: place where a lot of bad things have happened. Elizabeth Short, 317 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 1: also known as the Black Dahlia, was supposedly staying at 318 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 1: the Cecil before she was murdered in Goldy Ozgood, known 319 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 1: as the Pigeon Lady of Persian Square, was raped and 320 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: murdered in her hotel room there in sixty four. And 321 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: as we said, serial killers stayed there while they were active. 322 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: The hotel has also been the location of multiple many suicides, 323 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: including and this is a very strange one, one woman 324 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: who committed suicide by jumping out of a window off 325 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: the ledge and then killed a completely innocent person who 326 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 1: just happened to be walking by. That is the This 327 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,439 Speaker 1: is a family show, so I'll say that is the 328 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: crappiest day ever. It's almost as though if there were 329 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: some sort of malignant energy seeping out from this place. 330 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: This is almost an example of it reaching out into 331 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: the greater world around it and you know, having an effect. 332 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: You know that's true, it's possible. Or you take the 333 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: other side and if I embodied Jonathan Strickland for a moment, 334 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: you just say, well, maybe it could just be an 335 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,719 Speaker 1: area where this hotel is located. Right. That's in Jonathan 336 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 1: Street flynd is a is a friend of the show, 337 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 1: host of podcast tech Stuff and also will make occasional 338 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: appearances here. Oh he's also our complaint department, so if 339 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: you have any complaints, please send them directly to Jonathan 340 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: dot Strickland how stuff works dot com. But yeah, that 341 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 1: is a good point. Is it just simply that it 342 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 1: is a budget hotel in a bad area? I mean, 343 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: it's possible, but do you believe that there can be 344 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:33,959 Speaker 1: places with bad or good energy? It's an interesting question 345 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 1: because many times people would dismiss that as some sort 346 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: of quote unquote hippy dippy thing. However, we do have 347 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: we we did find in an earlier episode on ghosts 348 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: that there's compelling evidence that human beings are sensitive to 349 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: certain frequencies and energies that we do not consciously interpret. 350 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: You know, if someone they're they're frequent sees, they can 351 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: make you hallucinate frequencies of noise, frequencies of electro magnetic radiation, 352 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: and the vast majority of people throughout civilization, right because 353 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 1: we only only really recently started understanding magnetism, and uh, 354 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: if I could quote, I c p uh, don't do 355 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: a lot of people still aren't clear on what's going 356 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: on with magnets. So most people such a good way 357 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: to put it. Most people will just say, you know, 358 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,439 Speaker 1: if you hear something spooky, you're at this you're at 359 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: this graveyard, or you're at this place where people are 360 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: repeatedly citing strange phenomenon and you experience it yourself. A 361 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 1: lot of people aren't going to instantly turn into some 362 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: sort of vulcan and go well, logically, a lot of 363 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: people are gonna link either run or take out their 364 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: camera or freak out. And I wonder if there's a 365 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 1: wonder if there's such things as good places. You know, 366 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 1: there are a couple here in the in an area 367 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 1: that are rumored to be like that. Uh there's a 368 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: spot in Arabia Mountain which is fun fact also the 369 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 1: location part of the filming location pet Cemetery too. Really. Yeah, 370 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: Arabia Mountains an interesting place that you go and it 371 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: feels like you're almost on the moon, like if they're 372 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: these bizarre craters that support it's some kind of you know, 373 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,640 Speaker 1: the specifics of the type of that liten is. It's 374 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 1: like red makes the water red. So there are all 375 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: these pools of blood red water with mossy, kind of 376 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: fuzzy little ecosystems within them. Um, and it's and it 377 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 1: looks like nothing nowhere else I've ever been in my life. 378 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 1: If you an area and little cairns, little stacks of rocks, 379 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: is it is it cursed the area there? Or is 380 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: it a good place? Uh? Well, it seems to be 381 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 1: usually a bad place because the reports we would always 382 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: was here were that it had a higher than average 383 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: incidents of violent crime, which again could just be the location. 384 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: It's a very old old place. It's part of the 385 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: fourth largest basaltic extrusion, which it's it's also as part 386 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 1: of the same gigantic chunk of basaltic rock that formed 387 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: Stone Mountain, which is another fairly odd Atlanta attraction. And yeah, 388 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: like Noel said, the plants there seemed completely, almost completely alien, 389 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: you know, and it does feel like you're in the moon. Uh. 390 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 1: There were some very dodgy murders there in the seventies. 391 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 1: You can see where at the side of one death 392 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,239 Speaker 1: someone wrote the Lord's Prayer and white paint. And I 393 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: remember going there many years ago to have seen somebody 394 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 1: scrawling it out in black paint and writing he can't 395 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 1: hear you. And I don't know who stacks those rocks. 396 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: But anyway, it's it's a strange place, and it's easy. 397 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: It's surprisingly easy to get lost there too. But for 398 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 1: people who believe in very good places are very bad places, 399 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: are very spiritual places, we would like to hear what 400 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,199 Speaker 1: you think, if you think that's real, and if you 401 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: think there's a reason behind it, whether that reason is 402 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: scientific or spiritual. Uh. You know, we have you know, 403 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 1: we've heard stuff before about lay lines or the geomagnetic theories. 404 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: We've also heard arguments about things like altitude affecting someone's 405 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 1: perception or sea level. It's very fascinating thing. I got 406 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 1: a couple additional details about the Alsa Lamb case that 407 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 1: are quite troubling. You may want to cut this out, guys, 408 00:26:54,560 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: but um, apparently she was in the tank long enough 409 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: that her remains contaminated the drinking water and bathing water 410 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: for the hotel, and some guests reported, you know, having 411 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: drank drink it something wrong, was what the taste was off. Yeah, 412 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: that's one of the big back and forth that people 413 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: have had in the years since, because we know there 414 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: was definitely water pressure, but if there's a decomposing it 415 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: was what they call moderately decomposed bodies, so that means 416 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: it's bloated, its greenish, it's you know, it is contamination. 417 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: So yeah, those people in those in this place with 418 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: hundreds of rooms you're right now, only probably drink it. 419 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 1: And we didn't have I couldn't find any reports that 420 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: confirmed any illness from that, but statists sically it's very 421 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 1: very likely that that happened because these are this was 422 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: a matter of weeks, you know. Uh. And and finally, um, 423 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: the parents. Lisa Lam's parents actually filed a lawsuit, a 424 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 1: negligence lawsuit against the hotel, but a judge in Los 425 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 1: Angeles threw it out, claiming that the death could in 426 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: no way have been considered foreseeable um entirely because of 427 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: the conditions that we described. In order to get into 428 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,439 Speaker 1: that tank, she would have had to scale quite a 429 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 1: few treacherous uh situations, including a ladder to get up 430 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: to the ledge above it because there were no accessible 431 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,719 Speaker 1: ladders on the tanks themselves, and then would have had 432 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: to scale down a partial wall that was above the tank, 433 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: or just jumped off of the roof onto the top 434 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: of the tank. And um, there was nothing, according to 435 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 1: the judge's ruling, that would have made it inviting in 436 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: any way or made it seem like it was okay 437 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: to be there. Everything pointed to this person having on 438 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: this themselves, which I think is what makes this case 439 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: so very, very creepy to me. And also, you know, 440 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up, because one of the 441 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: most painful things about something like this is when someone 442 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: is gone, you know, and if your child is gone, 443 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: then that's the beginning of something that is going to 444 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: continue for years and maybe never ends, and they have 445 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: to go to the to this courtroom, to stand in 446 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: front of these strangers to say, you know, people shouldn't 447 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: die when they go to your hotel. Our daughter shouldn't die. 448 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: And it's and it's tough. You know, I do not envy. Well, 449 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: there's always a need to find answers, and sometimes that 450 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: leads to a sense for retaliation against a perceived enemy, 451 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: you know, and antagonists. Um, but we should also mention that, 452 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: you know, bipolar disorder manifests itself across a very large spectrum. 453 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I've known people that were considered bipolar and 454 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: these behaviors, these manic episodes followed by these depressive episodes 455 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: there really mild and it's very manageable. But given a 456 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: further trip down that spectrum, you could find yourself in 457 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 1: a place where you'd be driven to do something like this. Well, 458 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: your perception of your environment, reality uh takes takes a 459 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: hard left. It's it's a it's a very serious thing 460 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: and it does have a spectrum and it does have 461 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: degrees and especially if you depending on what cocktail you 462 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: have running through your body of drugs, right, And so 463 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: that's that's a good point to There is an autopsy 464 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: report that you can find in PDF form online and 465 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: this this thing has some good news. There was a 466 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: hair and feurniale kit done, no evidence of physical trauma 467 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: nor of sexual assault. They also found no evidence. This 468 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: is interesting that she would suggest Lamb had committed suicide. 469 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: So that's why it's ruled as an accidental drowning, and 470 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: they do site bipolar disorder as a significant factor. They 471 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: also found her clothes that she's wearing in the elevator 472 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: video floating in the water beside her, uh, coated with 473 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 1: a quoting here, sand like particulate. I'm not sure where 474 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: it came from. And her watching room key were there too. 475 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: Toxicology tests were done on her blood and they found 476 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: traces of her prescription medication. She was on a long 477 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: list she had. She had a long history of taking medication. 478 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: She's probably a better way to say it. Uh. She 479 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: also had non prescription drugs like sino tap ivy prof 480 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: and uh. She had point zero two percent alcohol in 481 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: her blood, but there were no recreational drugs in her system. 482 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: And I mean point zero two is like a beer. Yeah, 483 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: you know, it's the body is also breaking down at 484 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: this point. That's true. And so how long was it 485 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: before that she was she was discovered, Just to make 486 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 1: that clear one more time, Yes, so from February one 487 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: to February, so two weeks, little between two and three weeks. Yeah, 488 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: And the full autopsy report was released four months later 489 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: in June. But on February the Corner's office ruled it 490 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: an accidental drowning. There are so many unexplained things that 491 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: that occurred that night and then from that date up 492 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: until she was found and even now today, and there 493 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: are so many ideas about what this could be, about 494 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: what could have happened. Some of them even veer into 495 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: this spooky maybe I mean almost a sense that there 496 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: were some occult activity going on some of the message 497 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: boards and various postings and sort of more conspiracies conspiracy 498 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: oriented forums and groups that I've seen um, you know, 499 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: talk about this case in the same breath as Alistair Crowley, 500 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 1: the kinds of summoning rituals that he would have done 501 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: with these hand movements, the touts that we were talking 502 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 1: about earlier, or um with the possession, the demon possession 503 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: kind of versions of the story with this being a 504 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 1: bad place very much like the movie Pet Cemetery, which 505 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 1: came up unrelated to this, actually talking about locations of 506 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: the filming, but you know that had to do with 507 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: a location that was built on the soul, the saw 508 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: tainted ground ground. Richard Ramirez also was a practicing occultist. 509 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 1: He practiced what he considered to be left hand path 510 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: magical rituals. And this is something that I think is 511 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: thrown around far too often. But another thing that's it 512 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: seems to pop up a lot about this case is 513 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: that this is an example of some sort of Illuminati 514 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: ritual exposed to the public um in a way that 515 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 1: perhaps the ones perpetrating it wouldn't have wanted to happen. 516 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,839 Speaker 1: So let's continue down this path, this rabbit hole. Let's 517 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: look at some more extraordinary theories regarding this incident. After 518 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 1: a quick word from our sponsors. One of the strangest 519 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: accounts that we read. One of the strangest theories we 520 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: found regarding the events on the night of February first 521 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: was an urban legend that originated in Korea, and it 522 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 1: is called the Elevator game. This is completely speculative. We 523 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 1: have not played this game. I don't know if we 524 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: would want to I cannot wait to do this. The 525 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:26,280 Speaker 1: idea I would rank this in the old dare daring 526 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,800 Speaker 1: your friends to do stuff games that so many people 527 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 1: play growing up, turning off the lights, saying bloody Mary 528 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: several times in a mirror things right, candy Man. So 529 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 1: the ideas that by performing a certain ritual in an 530 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: elevator very specific when you will arrive at a slightly 531 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 1: off kilter plane of existence, and I'll read some stuff 532 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 1: from just the account of the elevator game. According to 533 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,279 Speaker 1: people that have completed the game successfully, it looks the 534 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 1: same as the down and building that you're from when 535 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 1: you emerge, but all the lights are off. You can 536 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,319 Speaker 1: only see a red cross in the distance. You're the 537 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 1: only living thing in this plane, and for the most part, 538 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,879 Speaker 1: electronics don't work. If you manage to get to this 539 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 1: strange place, returning to the real world is more difficult. 540 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 1: You will grow disorder in the elevator door will seem 541 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: to grow further and further away as you walk toward it. 542 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,720 Speaker 1: Only one person can play the game at a time. 543 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 1: It can only be performed in a building at least 544 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,359 Speaker 1: ten stories high with at least one elevator in it, 545 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 1: otherwise you cannot proceed, and they have the instructions for traveling, 546 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 1: and we don't have to go through all of this, 547 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 1: but one of the ideas would be you enter the 548 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,759 Speaker 1: well the basic steps. You enter the elevator from the 549 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 1: first floor by yourself. If anyone else gets on, you 550 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,840 Speaker 1: cannot continue the ritual and you have to wait until 551 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,400 Speaker 1: you can take the elevator alone. You press the button 552 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: for the fourth floor. When it reaches the fourth floor, 553 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: you stay inside the elevator, press the button for the 554 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,840 Speaker 1: second floor. Don't get out. When you reach the second floor, 555 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 1: stay in and press the button for the sixth floor. 556 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 1: And then after that, don't get out, remain in the elevator, 557 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,319 Speaker 1: go back to the second floor, and once you reach 558 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 1: the second floor, press the button for the tenth floor. 559 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 1: And if you hear anything calling to you on the 560 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:28,279 Speaker 1: second floor, do not reply, don't answer. And then once 561 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,279 Speaker 1: you're so it's very intricate, right, this pattern of buttons. Right, so, 562 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,320 Speaker 1: once you reach the tenth floor, stay on and press 563 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 1: the button for the fifth floor. This is the creepy part. 564 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 1: They say that when you enter the when you when 565 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 1: you get to the fifth floor, after you've done this 566 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:52,759 Speaker 1: series of buttons. A woman will enter a stranger. A 567 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,840 Speaker 1: strange woman will enter the elevator, and she'll try to 568 00:37:55,920 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 1: talk to you, and you can't acknowledge them. She might 569 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,000 Speaker 1: this person might even appear as someone you are familiar with, 570 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 1: according to the legend old high school friend, co worker. UH. 571 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,800 Speaker 1: And then you press the It's important that you don't 572 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 1: look at this person all. And if you press the 573 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 1: button to head to the first floor. This is when 574 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 1: you know the ritual works correctly, because you'll push the 575 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,719 Speaker 1: button for the first floor, and instead of going to 576 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,800 Speaker 1: the first floor, you go to the tenth. You start 577 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:34,800 Speaker 1: going up, and then if you reach the tenth floor, 578 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,319 Speaker 1: you can stay on her exit the elevator. UH. Some 579 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 1: have said that when they are trying to leave, the 580 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 1: woman will try one last time to engage with you. 581 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,879 Speaker 1: She may raise your voice, she may shriek at you. 582 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,759 Speaker 1: There's only one way to know. Whether you travel to 583 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,920 Speaker 1: the other world, for sure, you will be the only 584 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 1: living thing there. And then they have instructions to get 585 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:05,759 Speaker 1: back to the get back to the actual world, our world. UH. 586 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,920 Speaker 1: And they're they're they're pretty detailed. So this has all 587 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 1: the makings of an urban legend, right, it has all 588 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:17,279 Speaker 1: the tropes. It has a it has the fear of strangers, 589 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:22,480 Speaker 1: It has the importance of ritual and rule following, It 590 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:27,359 Speaker 1: has anonymity and authors. It has no specific examples of 591 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:32,920 Speaker 1: times that this occurred. So, uh, the best way for 592 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 1: you and die and everyone else to find out whether 593 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 1: this works would be to attempt it here. We cannot 594 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,359 Speaker 1: attempt in our office because our office is not ten 595 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 1: stories seven, so that would be a different rituals really fast. 596 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 1: Along with these things that you're listening off about, what 597 00:39:55,239 --> 00:40:00,840 Speaker 1: makes it an urban legend. One issue here is that electronics, 598 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,799 Speaker 1: most electronics don't seem to work or for the most part, 599 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,120 Speaker 1: or which you know, you try and film this so 600 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,560 Speaker 1: you can put it on YouTube and show yourself going 601 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,880 Speaker 1: to an alternate plane. It's probably not gonna happen because 602 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 1: electronics don't work. Also, you need to be alone, and 603 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 1: would that violate one of the rules by having a 604 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:23,440 Speaker 1: camera which is in some way an infinite number of viewers? Yeah, 605 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,240 Speaker 1: but how about this fellas. Another thing about our legends 606 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,680 Speaker 1: is that they're you know, cobbled together from bits of 607 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,359 Speaker 1: things that may or may not be true. The thing 608 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,239 Speaker 1: you end up with is sort of the product of 609 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,520 Speaker 1: a game of telephone played over generations. Sometimes, you know, 610 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,680 Speaker 1: what if a story like this, what if there was 611 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 1: some truth to it, What if the procedure outlined here 612 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,239 Speaker 1: is not exactly right. What if someone really had the 613 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 1: right way of doing this and did involve an elevator. 614 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 1: Maybe it involves some strange hand gestures. Maybe it involved, 615 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 1: you know, pressing a certain row of buttons all the way, 616 00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,839 Speaker 1: And maybe there's an apparition of some sort in that 617 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:05,919 Speaker 1: elevator footage that is being communicated with in some way. 618 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't usually go for this kind of stuff, 619 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:13,680 Speaker 1: but this story really got my imagination going, and I 620 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,080 Speaker 1: can't help but think of that tumbler image that was 621 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:21,759 Speaker 1: posted after Melissa Lamb's death so long after, of a 622 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:27,279 Speaker 1: single lightbulb with another world contained inside, hanging from a 623 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,640 Speaker 1: string against a drab backdrop. It just kind of represents 624 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,319 Speaker 1: to me this idea of a different world going to 625 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,080 Speaker 1: a different place. Yeah that, you know, that's a very 626 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:40,360 Speaker 1: good point. And only also it also calls to mind 627 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,480 Speaker 1: our discussion about rituals and grim wise, you know, and 628 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,239 Speaker 1: the idea that maybe there is a real ritual and 629 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:51,839 Speaker 1: it it just isn't specifically explained correctly, and we do 630 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 1: know the one thing that escapes a lot of people 631 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:59,440 Speaker 1: about folk tales and fairy tales. It's easy to dismiss them, 632 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,319 Speaker 1: but like Noel said with the game of telephone for generations, 633 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:09,399 Speaker 1: these are cobbled from very very old old stories. All. 634 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,640 Speaker 1: So many of those urban legends that you may hear 635 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:18,239 Speaker 1: about UFOs began as stories of gods and mountains and 636 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:23,520 Speaker 1: evil spirits or fairies or faye. And so this likely 637 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:28,080 Speaker 1: does have the DNA might say, of of something else. 638 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:34,560 Speaker 1: And the way that the way that they associate the 639 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,319 Speaker 1: people who believe that this elevator game through the way 640 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:42,400 Speaker 1: they associated is with exactly as you pointed out, the 641 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:49,320 Speaker 1: button pushing and the deliberate seeming motions that this person takes. 642 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,880 Speaker 1: But I wonder if anybody has thought about the point 643 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,920 Speaker 1: that you made, which I don't think I've heard. I 644 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,799 Speaker 1: think this is the first time I've thought about it. 645 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:02,879 Speaker 1: The light bulb image. Uh, not to poke holes in 646 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,680 Speaker 1: the theory too much, but Alisa Lamb, at least according 647 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,879 Speaker 1: to the video, never travels on the elevator, stays on 648 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,800 Speaker 1: one floor. And I'm glad you brought that up because 649 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:21,040 Speaker 1: people who claim to be video editor experts have controversial 650 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:22,800 Speaker 1: views about that. And this is where I wanted to 651 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:27,640 Speaker 1: defer to you guys, to your expertise. Do you think 652 00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,640 Speaker 1: the video is edited? I know the time stamp is 653 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:35,279 Speaker 1: obscured in the original because several people watched it and 654 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,799 Speaker 1: said that it was edited for people who are not, 655 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:44,239 Speaker 1: you know, pursuing some kind of uh, supernatural or extraordinary explanation. 656 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,400 Speaker 1: The people who think there is a conspiracy, perhaps on 657 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,320 Speaker 1: the part of the hotel or perhaps even on the 658 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,120 Speaker 1: l A p D. On the l A p D 659 00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,959 Speaker 1: s end uh, they say that there was someone else 660 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,680 Speaker 1: visible on the camera, but time had been cut out 661 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,839 Speaker 1: or spliced, And I wanted to know what what you 662 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,120 Speaker 1: guys think of that. The biggest thing for me in 663 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:12,839 Speaker 1: watching it is I cannot find a good enough rip 664 00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:18,280 Speaker 1: of the original one. The the video that's posted under 665 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:23,800 Speaker 1: what is it Dennis Romero, that's the one with seventeen 666 00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,959 Speaker 1: million views that we were talking about, and then that's 667 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:31,320 Speaker 1: obviously the most commonly viewed one just from the numbers, 668 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:36,600 Speaker 1: but it is so pixelated and everything, like the numbers 669 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,440 Speaker 1: at the bottom with the time code or what I'm 670 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,720 Speaker 1: assuming is time code on the bottom left hand corner. 671 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:47,480 Speaker 1: It's just it looks strange to me, and it's still 672 00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,600 Speaker 1: little quality that it would be very hard to determine 673 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,920 Speaker 1: whether or not this thing was affected in post somehow 674 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,799 Speaker 1: to look in a certain way, because you could manipulate 675 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,799 Speaker 1: the contents of this imagery fairly easily. Okay, So in 676 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,920 Speaker 1: that case, it's sort of inconclusive. That's what I would say. Okay, 677 00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,880 Speaker 1: what do you think? It wasn't anything that would have 678 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,400 Speaker 1: been easy to edit that actually hit me about it. 679 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,480 Speaker 1: It was just more the way she moved, you know. 680 00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,799 Speaker 1: It was like the way she the things that she did. 681 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,000 Speaker 1: So you are you saying that like it may have 682 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:23,560 Speaker 1: been there may have been parts of it that were 683 00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,839 Speaker 1: edited out, perhaps where the elevator was in motion, where 684 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,040 Speaker 1: she did get on and took the elevator to another floor, 685 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,120 Speaker 1: or someone else did at some point get on the 686 00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,040 Speaker 1: elevator with her here on camera, And then the numbers 687 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,880 Speaker 1: down here that it appears to be a time code 688 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,320 Speaker 1: that's in white as the primary color, and then there's 689 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,200 Speaker 1: either a drop shadow or a black background on top 690 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:49,239 Speaker 1: of the numbers, and that's generally not what you see 691 00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,919 Speaker 1: in time code. Perhaps it is for this system that's 692 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,640 Speaker 1: used in the hotel, But it looks strange to me 693 00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,600 Speaker 1: as someone who works with video on a daily basis. 694 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:03,160 Speaker 1: Why does it matter whether it moved or not. Um, 695 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:07,880 Speaker 1: I guess for more information on her travels, like whether 696 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,400 Speaker 1: she was truly alone, and you know, if that, if 697 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,560 Speaker 1: it was available to the police, then they would know 698 00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,360 Speaker 1: and that would be part of the investigation hopefully. And 699 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,839 Speaker 1: I'll put on my I'll put I'll put on my 700 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,799 Speaker 1: Johnathan cap here for a second to and say that 701 00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,520 Speaker 1: the one of one of the people who believed that 702 00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,840 Speaker 1: the video was edited as some sort of conspiracy maybe 703 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,319 Speaker 1: if there was a if there was a murder and 704 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:35,400 Speaker 1: was someone at the hotel or something, the their idea 705 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,000 Speaker 1: is that it was edited to cut that person off 706 00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:42,560 Speaker 1: from appearing on camera. However, we should also point out 707 00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:47,040 Speaker 1: that even unto the idea of door locks and stuff, 708 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:52,200 Speaker 1: this is kind of a CD hotel or a budget hotel, right, 709 00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,560 Speaker 1: and it's got a lot of history. But also it's 710 00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:59,800 Speaker 1: not as likely to follow procedures to a t including 711 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,880 Speaker 1: off like elevator maintenance. So if it's an older elevator, 712 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,759 Speaker 1: it could just be malfunctioning. I don't know if that's 713 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,000 Speaker 1: the case. I haven't talked to the elevator maintenance guy. 714 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,959 Speaker 1: I haven't checked their paperwork from but that does seem 715 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,680 Speaker 1: to be a possibility. If someone were to be murdered 716 00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:20,600 Speaker 1: in a hotel, is the hotel liabel to the family 717 00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,080 Speaker 1: of the victim. That's a really good question. I guess 718 00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,640 Speaker 1: it would only be through if it were through negligence. 719 00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,400 Speaker 1: So if we were, I don't want to use us 720 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:36,160 Speaker 1: for example, who are other coworkers Jonathan? Okay, sure, he's 721 00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,040 Speaker 1: gonna love this episode, all right, So if Jonathan, we're 722 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:44,320 Speaker 1: in uh, we're in a hotel room, and he invited 723 00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:50,200 Speaker 1: guests over and one of let's keep his hands clean. 724 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,760 Speaker 1: One of his friends murdered another one of his friends 725 00:47:53,800 --> 00:48:00,000 Speaker 1: in an argument over the Renaissance Festival clue style. Clues style, yes, yeah, okay, 726 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:04,840 Speaker 1: blues style. Uh it was Aberil von Battenborough in Unit 727 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:10,439 Speaker 1: with the chopsticks, with the chopsticks Okay, yeah, I knew 728 00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:15,480 Speaker 1: you were there. Brutal. Von Battenborough is a very brutal man, 729 00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,919 Speaker 1: even when he's out of character. Well, what would happen then? 730 00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,200 Speaker 1: As I think the who and I'm not a lawyer, 731 00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:27,040 Speaker 1: I think the hotel would not be responsible because they, 732 00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,879 Speaker 1: on their part, did nothing wrong to assist that if 733 00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,440 Speaker 1: you are at a hotel, you can usually bring guests, 734 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:41,319 Speaker 1: and if the hotel's rooms and units are up to 735 00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,320 Speaker 1: code in terms of safety and everything, then there's nothing 736 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:50,360 Speaker 1: wrong if they if it could be proven that the 737 00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:56,920 Speaker 1: person at the counter, let's say our coworker Lauren was 738 00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,680 Speaker 1: at the counter there as the as the the clerk, 739 00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:05,799 Speaker 1: and this Admiral von Batberg guy said I'm going up 740 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,400 Speaker 1: to you know, I'm going to murder one of Jonathan 741 00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:13,879 Speaker 1: Strickland's friends. And she didn't call the cops, then she 742 00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,680 Speaker 1: would be liable as an individual. But what about even 743 00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:22,560 Speaker 1: if like an employee of the hotel gave someone information 744 00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:28,640 Speaker 1: that finding someone that didn't want to be found, for example. Yeah, Like, 745 00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,440 Speaker 1: I just wonder that's a really good point because that 746 00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,359 Speaker 1: happens on both sides of the law. That happens when 747 00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,239 Speaker 1: police are hunting down a missing person or someone who 748 00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,520 Speaker 1: committed a crime and is on the run. But that 749 00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:43,840 Speaker 1: also would happen, you know, with an abusive spouse or 750 00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,880 Speaker 1: a hit man. That's a very good question. I'm interested 751 00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,520 Speaker 1: we should throw this to listeners ladies and gentlemen, if 752 00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:56,359 Speaker 1: you have a history in the hospitality business, we would 753 00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:01,200 Speaker 1: like to know, uh, purely for informational purpose, is right, 754 00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:05,480 Speaker 1: no plans right? Okay, So we would like to know 755 00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:10,759 Speaker 1: how how that legally works, because a lot of hotels, 756 00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,879 Speaker 1: by the by the mirror, by their mere existence as 757 00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:21,719 Speaker 1: temporary housing, could plausibly have any of the crimes that 758 00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:29,160 Speaker 1: occur in in a permanent house occur there murder, assault, theft, kidnapping, 759 00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:35,239 Speaker 1: and so at what point is the hotel liable? This 760 00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,520 Speaker 1: is really making me rethink hotels. Man. I never ever 761 00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:43,000 Speaker 1: say at some place that you don't control really fast 762 00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:44,680 Speaker 1: this video, I just I was looking back through it 763 00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,560 Speaker 1: again as you guys are having that discussion, and at 764 00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,560 Speaker 1: two fifty six in the time code of the Dennish 765 00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:53,960 Speaker 1: Romero version, there is clearly clearly a stop in the 766 00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,120 Speaker 1: time code pausing the video in the doors begins closing. 767 00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,440 Speaker 1: That's one of the places that people I went through 768 00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,239 Speaker 1: the comments, that's one of the places that people have 769 00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:07,600 Speaker 1: noticed something is off. And you'll see a few instances 770 00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,600 Speaker 1: of that where you can clearly tell that whatever time 771 00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:15,319 Speaker 1: code is generated at the bottom skips a bit and 772 00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:20,680 Speaker 1: or stops so is it possible then that it could 773 00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:24,239 Speaker 1: be just a cut for time. Is it possible that 774 00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:28,920 Speaker 1: the law enforcement just dispersed the most relevant part of 775 00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,920 Speaker 1: absolutely possible any for our footage, But we won't know 776 00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,759 Speaker 1: unless we were told that directly by someone who was 777 00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,680 Speaker 1: on the case. And there is one other theory, one 778 00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:47,000 Speaker 1: final theory that we found that is a very strange coincidence. 779 00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,239 Speaker 1: That's what I'm gonna call this one, a very strange coincidence, 780 00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:57,160 Speaker 1: and it ultimately ties into or implicitly ties into the 781 00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:03,879 Speaker 1: concept of human experimentation. When Eliza Lamb was in California 782 00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:11,600 Speaker 1: at this time, there was a tuberculosis tests occurring, a 783 00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:16,560 Speaker 1: large scale one, and the goals of this were too 784 00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:22,080 Speaker 1: combat the rise of drug resistant TB noble aspiration. It 785 00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,120 Speaker 1: is a one that is important to the species as 786 00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:29,200 Speaker 1: a whole. The official name of this test of this 787 00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:33,880 Speaker 1: project was Lamb Elisa L A N E L I 788 00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:39,560 Speaker 1: S A, the same spelling of Eliza's Aliza Lamb's name, 789 00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:47,120 Speaker 1: Eliza Lamb the person. Because of this very strange coincidence, 790 00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:53,080 Speaker 1: many people have speculated that the disappearance and death are 791 00:52:53,320 --> 00:53:01,440 Speaker 1: somehow related and because of the US as well as 792 00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:06,439 Speaker 1: some other problems with the autopsy reporter or cited controversies 793 00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:11,319 Speaker 1: with the autopsy report. Uh, people believe that maybe this 794 00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:15,280 Speaker 1: was the tip of an iceberg of another mass human experimentation. 795 00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,840 Speaker 1: And as much as um, as much as we would 796 00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,080 Speaker 1: the three of us would like to say, no, that's crazy, 797 00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:26,799 Speaker 1: that would never happen. We've looked at cases where the 798 00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:32,000 Speaker 1: US government conducted widespread and dangerous experiments on its own 799 00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:39,879 Speaker 1: population in St. Louis in southern California, and uh, they 800 00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:44,240 Speaker 1: gave people syphilis or or excuse me, the official story 801 00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:48,360 Speaker 1: is they just didn't treat syphilis. They looked at the effect. 802 00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,880 Speaker 1: They looked at the effects. So we knew know that 803 00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:56,239 Speaker 1: human experimentation occurs. However, what we also know is that 804 00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,319 Speaker 1: the public tends to find out about this decades decades later. 805 00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:05,160 Speaker 1: And it's the old weisia board argument, right like, if 806 00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,120 Speaker 1: there is a real, if there really is a way 807 00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,840 Speaker 1: to contact the afterlife, is it in a mass produced 808 00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:14,479 Speaker 1: game by Parker Brothers And still no proof? If there 809 00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:20,800 Speaker 1: is a if there is a vast, nefarious, citywide or 810 00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:28,839 Speaker 1: you know, large scale, secret human experimentation project, are they 811 00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:32,560 Speaker 1: going to name it after one of the people involved, 812 00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,680 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, that's like calling it That's 813 00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:42,160 Speaker 1: like Matt Frederick having a human sacrifice ring operating in 814 00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:46,759 Speaker 1: Arabia Mountain and the seventies and then having putting out 815 00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:50,239 Speaker 1: a public notice about Matt Frederick's hop secret human sacrifice 816 00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:55,080 Speaker 1: ring the sacrifice dash Human Right or Yeah right dot org. 817 00:54:55,280 --> 00:55:01,359 Speaker 1: It's a nonprofit, so that coincid events, while strange, with 818 00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:03,799 Speaker 1: the information we have now, it's tough to call it 819 00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:09,960 Speaker 1: anything else. And at this point it seems like the 820 00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:15,240 Speaker 1: majority of people believed that this was a very unfortunate, tragic, 821 00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:23,320 Speaker 1: heartbreaking incident that happened completely involving Eliza Lamb. On our own, however, 822 00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:28,759 Speaker 1: we would like to know what you think. Are the 823 00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:34,239 Speaker 1: questions that people opposing um, are they utter bunk or 824 00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:37,839 Speaker 1: the malarkey? Is there something more to the story? And 825 00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:43,680 Speaker 1: while you're at it, uh, what other unexplained disappearances or 826 00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:47,040 Speaker 1: deaths would you like us to explore in the future. 827 00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:52,320 Speaker 1: Let us know what you think. And speaking of hearing 828 00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,120 Speaker 1: from you, what do you say, guys? Should we do 829 00:55:55,600 --> 00:56:02,880 Speaker 1: chat at corners? Our first shout out goes to Jacob 830 00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:08,680 Speaker 1: also known as Hancho Hancho Underscore one is it all 831 00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:10,640 Speaker 1: right that I said that, Jacob. I hope so because 832 00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,040 Speaker 1: I did. Have you guys ever looked into you n 833 00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:18,280 Speaker 1: Agenda twenty one. Oh yes, we have, sir, supposedly quote 834 00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,840 Speaker 1: the naked communist ties in with it. I had a 835 00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,920 Speaker 1: human growth and development professor that made us watch the 836 00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:31,080 Speaker 1: documentary Agenda Grinding America Down. Well, we have covered Agenda 837 00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:34,640 Speaker 1: twenty one in video form. You can find that on 838 00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:36,960 Speaker 1: our YouTube channel or at stuff they don't want you 839 00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:40,120 Speaker 1: to know dot com. The best U r L in 840 00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:45,000 Speaker 1: the history of the internets, and this is this has 841 00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:49,160 Speaker 1: to do with food production and well, there's a lot 842 00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:52,120 Speaker 1: of stuff that goes into Agenda twenty one. It's characterized 843 00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:59,719 Speaker 1: as a sustainable as a voluntary action plan for sustainable 844 00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:06,280 Speaker 1: to development, which means that, uh, they're hoping to combat poverty, 845 00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:12,759 Speaker 1: They're hoping to create more more legal protection for environmental 846 00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:19,840 Speaker 1: concerns to forestation, bio diversity, control, pollution, et cetera. Opponents 847 00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:25,520 Speaker 1: of it say typically say that this is removing severenity, 848 00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:31,640 Speaker 1: uh and agency from individual countries. And this is a 849 00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:35,200 Speaker 1: huge This is a huge documents, three fifty pages, it's 850 00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:41,440 Speaker 1: forty chapters long. I have I I am always surprised 851 00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:47,480 Speaker 1: when someone has read the entire thing, UH, and it's 852 00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:52,240 Speaker 1: not too popular in the US. Well, here's the best 853 00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:58,320 Speaker 1: way to say it, Hancho. June two, twelve poll of 854 00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:03,000 Speaker 1: US voters found that nine percent of the people supported it, 855 00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:07,080 Speaker 1: six percent of it, six percent opposed it, and five 856 00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:10,680 Speaker 1: percent said they didn't have an opinion because they didn't 857 00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:12,920 Speaker 1: know what it is, because it didn't have enough information. 858 00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:17,000 Speaker 1: And I'm going to check out the documentary you recommended, 859 00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:20,600 Speaker 1: Grinding America Down. I have not seen that yet. Have 860 00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,960 Speaker 1: you guys seen that. I have not, but you know, 861 00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:26,000 Speaker 1: just from the research I had done previously with you 862 00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:30,600 Speaker 1: guys on this, I don't look at Agenda twenty one 863 00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:35,080 Speaker 1: kindly too much because it does feel like there's maybe 864 00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:38,560 Speaker 1: something to it that gets in I don't want to say, 865 00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:43,760 Speaker 1: gets into eugenics too much. It's the population control. It 866 00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,080 Speaker 1: feels that way to me, even though that's not stated 867 00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,880 Speaker 1: anywhere any in any of the documents that they are official. 868 00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,880 Speaker 1: It just has that feeling. That's UH the way I 869 00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,160 Speaker 1: view it currently. The main the main criticism I've heard 870 00:58:56,280 --> 00:59:00,840 Speaker 1: in the West against UH Agenda twenty one is the 871 00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:05,760 Speaker 1: idea that it is creating a global order and or 872 00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,800 Speaker 1: a global dictatorship. So you'll hear a lot of a 873 00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:16,760 Speaker 1: lot of people say that it is um eroding American severenity. Yeah, 874 00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,800 Speaker 1: it's like twenty four years old, now five years old. 875 00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:24,920 Speaker 1: How time flies? How time flies when you have big plans? Right, 876 00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:30,680 Speaker 1: thank you for writing in Hauncho. We have another shout out. 877 00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,800 Speaker 1: Our second shout out of the day comes from riker 878 00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:37,280 Speaker 1: Ce Dear Conspiracy, Hey, how's it going, guys. I'm a 879 00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:39,880 Speaker 1: truck driver, so for around eleven hours a day, I 880 00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:43,280 Speaker 1: pretty much do anything I can to fight off the boredom. Um. 881 00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,760 Speaker 1: You guys, along with the stuff you should no team, 882 00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:47,640 Speaker 1: really make my day a lot easier. And I've been 883 00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,080 Speaker 1: binge listening a lot of your stuff lately. I've been 884 00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:51,840 Speaker 1: skipping around a lot. But today I listened to your 885 00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,360 Speaker 1: episode on the Fermi Paradox. And I know I'm incredibly 886 00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,240 Speaker 1: late on this, but I wanted to add something that 887 00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:58,680 Speaker 1: I thought would surprise you that you guys did not 888 00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:02,480 Speaker 1: discuss you our solar system. The Sun takes up about 889 01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,240 Speaker 1: nine point nine percent of the matter here. Of the 890 01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:08,040 Speaker 1: remaining point one percent, Jupiter takes up about seventy of that. Uh, 891 01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:11,360 Speaker 1: in our own solar system, we're basically nothing. Imagine how 892 01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,560 Speaker 1: hard that minuscule amount of matter would be to pick 893 01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:18,640 Speaker 1: up on various equipment. Um. Yeah, if it even showed 894 01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:22,560 Speaker 1: up at all, it could be attributed to a rounding error. Uh, 895 01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:25,600 Speaker 1: it's entirely likely that an intelligent life form visited our 896 01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:28,560 Speaker 1: solar system in a search for life but just looked 897 01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,360 Speaker 1: us over as a computing error. Just wanted to offer 898 01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,000 Speaker 1: up another explanation on the subject. It was one of 899 01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,960 Speaker 1: my favorite episodes. You guys are great, and for my 900 01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,320 Speaker 1: sanity sake, please keep up the awesome work. Also, do 901 01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:40,120 Speaker 1: you guys ever plan on doing any kind of work 902 01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:43,000 Speaker 1: with Aaron from the Lower Podcast? Your cryptic stuff is 903 01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:44,680 Speaker 1: really interesting and it would be a dream come true 904 01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:47,160 Speaker 1: to hear that you guys are guest starring or he's 905 01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,640 Speaker 1: guest starring. Well, that's cool. We're actually going to be 906 01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:53,080 Speaker 1: on a bill with Lore at the New York City 907 01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:57,760 Speaker 1: Podfest April nine at the Bell House in Brooklyn. So 908 01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:02,400 Speaker 1: maybe we can make make friends. Yeah yeah, technically we 909 01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:06,320 Speaker 1: can say that we are in a show. Technically. Uh, 910 01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:09,919 Speaker 1: that's a That's that's a pretty pretty great idea. Maybe 911 01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:11,400 Speaker 1: we should maybe we should write to him, see if 912 01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,760 Speaker 1: you wants to hang out, and not to mention the 913 01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:15,760 Speaker 1: computing era stuff. I mean, I think that is interesting 914 01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,640 Speaker 1: if you're looking, if you're monitoring, you know, big picture 915 01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:20,920 Speaker 1: stuff from far, far, far far away. It's true that 916 01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:23,840 Speaker 1: we are a bit of a spec We're a blue, 917 01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,720 Speaker 1: tiny bluespec. We are not near as important as we 918 01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:29,280 Speaker 1: think we are. That is pretty much the story of 919 01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:35,200 Speaker 1: human history, right, but the the I really appreciate that, 920 01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,240 Speaker 1: And uh, don't feel bad, don't don't feel bad about 921 01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:42,000 Speaker 1: being quote unquote late Wriker. That's that's awesome. That's a 922 01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:46,840 Speaker 1: point that I personally didn't consider at all, you know, 923 01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:51,520 Speaker 1: and it probably works both ways, right because if there's 924 01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:54,960 Speaker 1: another planet around the same size, right, even if it's 925 01:01:55,080 --> 01:02:00,840 Speaker 1: very advanced advanced civilization, our odds of finding it with 926 01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:08,280 Speaker 1: our comparatively rudimentary equipment are even more infantessimal. It's a 927 01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:12,840 Speaker 1: big world, it's a big universe. It makes you think. Also, 928 01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:15,560 Speaker 1: big shout out to your parents, Riker for naming you that, 929 01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:17,960 Speaker 1: or you if you change your name however, got there 930 01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:21,240 Speaker 1: and maybe it's just a moniker, but cool name. Yeah, 931 01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:27,120 Speaker 1: these are these are all great names. Hancho, Jacob, it's Jacob. 932 01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:32,240 Speaker 1: I like Hancho alright, Sorry, sorry, Jacob. I think both 933 01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:34,840 Speaker 1: of your names are awesome. It's just Hancho seems like 934 01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:38,040 Speaker 1: such a cool like street name, you know what I mean. 935 01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:40,760 Speaker 1: You know I'd roll with Hancho. Yeah, I'd rule with 936 01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:46,560 Speaker 1: Hancho too. We've got a another shout out for today 937 01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:50,200 Speaker 1: from somebody else who has an awesome name and is 938 01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:54,640 Speaker 1: Miranda s. Hey, guys, absolutely love the show, been a 939 01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:56,840 Speaker 1: fan for years and so happy you guys do audio 940 01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,040 Speaker 1: podcasts now as well. I was wondering if maybe you 941 01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:01,680 Speaker 1: guys could do an episod about the Deep Web. Maybe 942 01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:06,280 Speaker 1: did already not sure. Also, vile magic slash Satanic sects 943 01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:09,160 Speaker 1: would be an interesting subject, as with the science behind 944 01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:13,520 Speaker 1: chaos magic and sigils or their relation to soionic manifestation 945 01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,600 Speaker 1: as a whole. Anyway, keep up the great work you guys. 946 01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:20,880 Speaker 1: Help me breathe through my work day. Miranda, we uh, 947 01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,840 Speaker 1: we do. We're We're in luck. We do, in fact 948 01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:27,440 Speaker 1: have an episode on the Deep Web on the on 949 01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:31,320 Speaker 1: the Basics of it um and you can also check 950 01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:33,600 Speaker 1: out some I feel like we have to we have 951 01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:36,120 Speaker 1: to play nice with our coworker Johnathan at the end 952 01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:38,520 Speaker 1: of this episode. You can also check out some of 953 01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:40,760 Speaker 1: the episodes he has about the Deep Web, which are 954 01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:44,680 Speaker 1: great and uh, my favorite one personally that we've done 955 01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:49,320 Speaker 1: is the interview with Alex Winter, who made a documentary 956 01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:52,680 Speaker 1: called the Deep Web or Deep Web. Yeah, we, uh 957 01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:56,720 Speaker 1: we did have an interview with him, very very cool guy, 958 01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:01,280 Speaker 1: very knowledgeable as well. Uh we on the on the 959 01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:05,880 Speaker 1: subject of magic, satanic sex or chaos, magic and sigils. 960 01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:10,000 Speaker 1: And to be clear s E C T S. Yes, yes, yes, 961 01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:15,400 Speaker 1: thank you matt On on that point, there are we 962 01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:18,400 Speaker 1: We've done some work on magic in the past, and 963 01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:24,200 Speaker 1: we we really I think we have a wealth of 964 01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:30,440 Speaker 1: strange opportunities when it comes to examining specific uh specific 965 01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:36,840 Speaker 1: occult sects like you know nol earlier mentioned Alistair Crowley 966 01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:40,640 Speaker 1: and uh and when we were talking about occult theories 967 01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:45,000 Speaker 1: in this episode, and I love to delve into the 968 01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:50,160 Speaker 1: Great Beast, at least conversationally. Yeah, and so we'd like 969 01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:57,200 Speaker 1: to follow up on that for now. This concludes Gosh 970 01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:00,840 Speaker 1: and it also concludes today's episode of The Stuff That 971 01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,400 Speaker 1: Don't Want You To To Know a podcast. One more thing, though, 972 01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:06,800 Speaker 1: my God I know, come on, I'm not a coffee. 973 01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:09,560 Speaker 1: If you guys are interested in that elevator ritual that 974 01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:14,040 Speaker 1: we were discussing earlier, there is an oculus rift experience 975 01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:18,240 Speaker 1: called the elevator ritual where in you get into an 976 01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:21,440 Speaker 1: elevator and you do the steps where you go up 977 01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:23,680 Speaker 1: to the second floor, or no, you go up to 978 01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:26,480 Speaker 1: the fourth floor, then second, sixth, second, eight seconds. You 979 01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:28,680 Speaker 1: do the whole thing, and there may or may not 980 01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:33,560 Speaker 1: be an ethereal woman involved, but it sounds exciting. No thanks, 981 01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,000 Speaker 1: y'all can have that. I don't have an access to 982 01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,040 Speaker 1: an oculus, so I can't really do it. I think 983 01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:42,480 Speaker 1: the thing is nolan. I are not the guys in 984 01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:45,160 Speaker 1: horror movies who go what was that noise? I'm gonna 985 01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:47,840 Speaker 1: check it out. See that's me though. I don't. I 986 01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:49,680 Speaker 1: don't even want to go to like haunted houses and 987 01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:53,440 Speaker 1: stuff like you know, the produced ones not I've never 988 01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:56,439 Speaker 1: been to one. Don't plan on change in that anytime soon. 989 01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:59,880 Speaker 1: I prefer to be the thing hiding in the dark waiting. Yeah, 990 01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:03,880 Speaker 1: are that thing, Matt, believe in yourself? Man, we have 991 01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:06,360 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's soon as a hunted houses thing. 992 01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,080 Speaker 1: It's just never been my cup of tea. I would 993 01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:12,320 Speaker 1: I would, uh, I like control. I'm a control freak. Well, 994 01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:15,760 Speaker 1: I just you know, I'm glad that people are having fun, 995 01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:18,440 Speaker 1: and on a technical level, I'm sure the makeup is impressive. 996 01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:22,400 Speaker 1: But I live in Atlanta. If I want to run 997 01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:24,480 Speaker 1: through a sketchy area and have people jump out and 998 01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:29,680 Speaker 1: try to grab me, then I can just walk there. 999 01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:34,960 Speaker 1: There you go. So what do you say, Matt? Can 1000 01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,120 Speaker 1: we end the show now? I think we can? Said, okay, 1001 01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:41,280 Speaker 1: I give you permission. Thanks, buddy, even though I have 1002 01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:44,200 Speaker 1: no permission to give. You're my favorite and I'm painfully 1003 01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:48,520 Speaker 1: aware of that. And that's the end of this classic episode. 1004 01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:52,440 Speaker 1: If you have any thoughts or questions about this episode, 1005 01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:54,840 Speaker 1: you can get into contact with us in a number 1006 01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:56,880 Speaker 1: of different ways. 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