WEBVTT - Short Stuff: Straitjackets

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the Short Stuff. I'm Josh, there's Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>and we've got Jerry all wrapped up, so that means

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<v Speaker 1>this is an episode of short Stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right. You know, I don't know why I

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<v Speaker 2>thought of this. I may have, I don't know. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>I was listening to Quiet Ride or something because the

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<v Speaker 2>idea of straight jackets popped into my head and I

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<v Speaker 2>was just wondering. I was like, you know, you see

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<v Speaker 2>you still see that stuff in TV and movies. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but I was like, is that still a thing? And

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<v Speaker 2>it turns out not so much.

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<v Speaker 1>No, not so much. How Stuff Works did an article

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<v Speaker 1>recently on straight jackets, and I also saw a really

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<v Speaker 1>good article on a site called history Hit, which I

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't heard before, but a guy named Kyle Hoachstro wrote

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<v Speaker 1>about him and it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Part of this came from How Stuff Works. A little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, cool, Yeah, I thought I recognized that. So street

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<v Speaker 1>jackets came around in the Georgian period, way more recently

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<v Speaker 1>than I thought. Some people say about seventeen seven around them,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're exactly what we think of them today, which

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<v Speaker 1>is they were used to prevent people with severe mental

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<v Speaker 1>illness from harming themselves and others by preventing them from

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<v Speaker 1>moving their arms. They could still throw their torso at you,

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<v Speaker 1>but they couldn't like strangle you or smack you, or

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<v Speaker 1>punch you or choke you or anything like that, because

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<v Speaker 1>their arms were tied around their back through these overly

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<v Speaker 1>long sleeves that were attached to a jacket. Hence the

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<v Speaker 1>straight jacket, very very tightly. That's where the word straight

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<v Speaker 1>comes from.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, exactly, straight as in a t.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, straight laced, meaning tightly drawn or tight fitting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, not straight as in straight and narrow.

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<v Speaker 1>No, and not straights like Ludacris's old restaurant in Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know he had one.

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<v Speaker 1>They had to dessert. It was chocolate soup, which from

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<v Speaker 1>what I could tell, is just water down chocolate.

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<v Speaker 2>You know the Falcons. I have season tickets and they

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<v Speaker 2>have different themes usually, and one week it was the

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<v Speaker 2>history of hip hop, and so there was all kinds

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<v Speaker 2>of people that came out and sang during the breaks

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff timeouts, and at one point, Ludicrous came down

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<v Speaker 2>from the ceiling of Mercedes Ben's dome nice like strapped

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<v Speaker 2>into a thing a straight jacket with like a GoPro

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<v Speaker 2>on a selfie stick.

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<v Speaker 1>That's awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, Like hundreds of feet in the air. It was

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<v Speaker 2>pretty amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>I would have lost my mind with fear head of been.

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<v Speaker 2>We were all pretty delighted. So straight jackets have sort

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<v Speaker 2>of risen and fallen and lockstep with the what they

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<v Speaker 2>used to call, you know, insane asylums. We don't use

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<v Speaker 2>that term anymore, but these asylums really grew over a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of hundred years in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries,

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<v Speaker 2>and lockstep so did the use of straight jackets. They

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<v Speaker 2>were heavily used for a while, like you said, just

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<v Speaker 2>to keep people from hurting themselves or others. And their

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<v Speaker 2>rationale at the time was sort of like, hey, listen,

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<v Speaker 2>at least you can move around. We're not like chaining

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<v Speaker 2>you to a bed or something like that. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>you can get up and walk around. At least it's

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<v Speaker 2>a little more humane than the alternative. But things started

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<v Speaker 2>to change as things changed in how we looked at

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<v Speaker 2>treating mental illness.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and one of the things there was actually a

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<v Speaker 1>strange turning point where they started to go out around

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<v Speaker 1>the time that King George, the third of England who

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<v Speaker 1>was running the show when the American colonies declared independence

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<v Speaker 1>and fought England for independence and won. By the way

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<v Speaker 1>he was. There was a very famous movie and I

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<v Speaker 1>believe book called The Mandess of King George.

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<v Speaker 2>Great movie.

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<v Speaker 1>I had not seen it, but I did you know

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<v Speaker 1>that he was considered barking mad, as they were to

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<v Speaker 1>put it back in the day he had. They're not

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<v Speaker 1>quite sure what he had. They think possibly even had

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<v Speaker 1>a metabolic disorder called porphyria, and wasn't mentally ill at all,

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<v Speaker 1>but these were just symptoms of porfyria. He could have

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<v Speaker 1>also had severe mental illness, but he was confined in

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<v Speaker 1>a straight jacket, very famously by his doctor, Francis Willis.

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<v Speaker 1>Francis Willis also seemingly cured George the Third two and

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<v Speaker 1>very publicly so. And so King George the Third represented

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<v Speaker 1>the end of straight jackets because he also represented the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of the concept, at least in England and the Colonies,

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<v Speaker 1>that mental illness could in fact be cured, and that

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<v Speaker 1>created a revolution in how we treated the mentally ill.

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<v Speaker 1>From that point on, it all pivoted in the In

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<v Speaker 1>One King.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you should totally see that movie. It's great, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>like Capital g.

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<v Speaker 1>Grade, who's a David Keith.

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<v Speaker 2>No, Nigel Hawthorne is King George. And you think David

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<v Speaker 2>ian Holme is Doctor Francis Helen Myrens in it. It's

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<v Speaker 2>it's really really.

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<v Speaker 1>Good, Okay, I'll check it out.

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<v Speaker 2>So in the nineteen tents, of course, is when we

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<v Speaker 2>saw the straight jacket worn by Houdini as a way

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<v Speaker 2>to do a stunt in full view of the audience,

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<v Speaker 2>rather than holding curtain up. But his brother, actually, Theodore Harden,

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<v Speaker 2>used the straight jacket before Houdini, evidently, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>Houdini might have ganked that from his bro.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. You know, we did a whole episode on Houdini.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a good, good one.

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<v Speaker 1>It was speaking of good ones. I say we take

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<v Speaker 1>a message break, let's do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, now we're on the road, driving in your truck.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to learn a thing or two from Josh,

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<v Speaker 3>PM Chuck.

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<v Speaker 1>It's stuff you should know.

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<v Speaker 3>Should all right, Final Josh and shock shot.

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<v Speaker 2>So these days, if you're not watching movies or television

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<v Speaker 2>where you still see tons of straight jackets, you're probably

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<v Speaker 2>not going to see them use much at all. They

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<v Speaker 2>are pretty outdated. Now we have. We have all kinds

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<v Speaker 2>of different things, from better treatments, better medication, better techniques,

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<v Speaker 2>more staff. The idea of just sort of the idea

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<v Speaker 2>of restricting someone's liberties by physically restraining them like that

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<v Speaker 2>is just sort of an outdated way to look at stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>They can also be deadly. I think there was a

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<v Speaker 2>case in eighteen twenty nine at Lincoln Asylum where someone

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<v Speaker 2>actually strangled themselves with their straight jacket.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they were strapped to the bed in a street

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<v Speaker 1>jacket and left overnight, and when they returned they had

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<v Speaker 1>strangled themselves or had been strangled by their straight jacket overnight,

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<v Speaker 1>and all the way back in eighteen twenty nine this asylum,

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<v Speaker 1>Lincoln Asylum, banned the use of straight jackets. So even

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<v Speaker 1>as far back as that, within a few decades of

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<v Speaker 1>their invention, they already had a bad name as being dangerous,

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<v Speaker 1>despite being considered a more humane alternative to chaining somebody,

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<v Speaker 1>which it was. You could say, but yeah, like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>we now have different, like different techniques to We do

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<v Speaker 1>have physical restraints still, they're usually like super fuzzy wrist

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<v Speaker 1>and arm restraints, but they use those as a last resort,

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<v Speaker 1>right if a patient. In this is the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure about some of the other countries that

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<v Speaker 1>hear us, but in the United States, if a patient

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<v Speaker 1>is dangerous or presents a clear danger to themselves or

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<v Speaker 1>to other people, you can, against their will, inject them

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<v Speaker 1>with the centative to restrain them. So it's chemical restraints

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<v Speaker 1>or we also have different non confrontational techniques. And I

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<v Speaker 1>look that up because I was curious what that amounts to,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is the most like low hanging fruit that

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<v Speaker 1>apparently works. If a patient is agitated, you get them

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<v Speaker 1>away from whatever is agitating them, and then you ask

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<v Speaker 1>them what's wrong? What can I do to help you?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you need to feel better about things? And

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<v Speaker 1>that this works, he's just take them to a low

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<v Speaker 1>sensory environment and just talk to them like a human being.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's the new technique now, instead of straight jackets

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<v Speaker 1>or chains.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because I imagine being approached by like three big

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<v Speaker 2>dudes holding up a straight jacket is not going to

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<v Speaker 2>lower the temperature at all.

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<v Speaker 1>And one has a net and one has a trident.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it really is. It really is an

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<v Speaker 2>almost one trope because like these things went out of

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<v Speaker 2>fashion so long ago, but movies and TV just kept

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<v Speaker 2>using that same trope because it just is such a

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<v Speaker 2>signal for what you're to say, what kind of person

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<v Speaker 2>this is, which is a danger.

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<v Speaker 1>I think if there's any through thread to stuff you

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<v Speaker 1>should know, and there are many, but definitely that we've

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<v Speaker 1>been grossly misinformed and misguided by TVs and movies over

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<v Speaker 1>the years. It's definitely a thread of stuff you should know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure, there is a company and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if it was this might have been from the

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<v Speaker 2>House of Works article. Sure, but uh, there is a

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<v Speaker 2>company in uh Wanaki, I hope I'm pronouncing that right,

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<v Speaker 2>Wisconsin called Humane Restraint and I read that the first

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<v Speaker 2>twelve times as human Restraint, which I thought was the

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<v Speaker 2>worst funny name for a company that did this. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's actually a great name because it's Humane Restraint.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a company that makes this stuff. Did you go

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<v Speaker 2>to the website and look around?

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<v Speaker 1>No, but I did look up suicide smocks.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, just peruse Humane Restraint the website at some point,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's just one of those things where you are

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<v Speaker 2>sort of shocked to realize that there are, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>a company makes this stuff. This company makes all the

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<v Speaker 2>bed restraints. They make this safe furniture that you can't

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<v Speaker 2>like hurt yourself on gum me furniture. They make the

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<v Speaker 2>suicide smocks, which is you can't like roll them up

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<v Speaker 2>like to hang yourself or tear pieces off or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's a dress made out as a gown made

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<v Speaker 1>out of a moving blanket.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I know, but the the whole point is you

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<v Speaker 2>can't roll it up and use it as a noose, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>or tear it.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I know, it makes total sense. But it's made

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<v Speaker 1>out of moving blanket material.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, exactly for sure. And the company that makes these

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<v Speaker 2>make less than one hundred straight jackets a year. They're

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<v Speaker 2>called Humane jackets on the website. And if you were

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<v Speaker 2>a hazard to guess how much they cost, what would

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<v Speaker 2>you it would be your guess? Nice leather strapping, Oh yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it looks top of the line stuff canvas of.

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<v Speaker 1>Course, seventeen hundred dollars, drew.

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<v Speaker 2>My friend. You can get a humane jacket for two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and twenty five bucks. What, Yeah, it was much

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<v Speaker 2>cheaper than I thought.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's probably plether then it.

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<v Speaker 2>May be, but they had it's just an interesting website

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<v Speaker 2>to think that. Wow, there's a company that just makes

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff, but like a what a market to corner.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the interesting thing is is they interviewed someone

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<v Speaker 2>from there and they were like, hospitals aren't buying these

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<v Speaker 2>anymore at all. Obviously, we sell maybe one hundred of

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<v Speaker 2>them a year, and one hundred percent of them are

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<v Speaker 2>to jails and prisons.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's the depressing fact of this podcast totally. In

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fourteen, a group called Treatment Advocacy Center said that

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<v Speaker 1>pointed out that jails, How's jails and prisons house ten

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<v Speaker 1>times more seriously ment a little people than state psychiatric

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<v Speaker 1>hospitals too. And the reason why that's a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a three card Monty move right there, because there

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<v Speaker 1>are no state psychiatric hospitals anymore because of Ronald Reagan.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course the reason they're also using straight jackets

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<v Speaker 2>is because they don't they're not hospitals and they don't

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<v Speaker 2>have to play by the same rules of humane treatment,

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<v Speaker 2>so they could. You could still be in a prison

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<v Speaker 2>and if you're a danger they demio a threat or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>they can put you in a straight jacket.

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<v Speaker 1>So, Chuck, I'm a rocker and I really loved your

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<v Speaker 1>Quiet Riot reference who else has worn straight jackets in

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<v Speaker 1>the music industry over the years.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, my friend you and I would saw Alice Cooper

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<v Speaker 2>in concert together in person, so we know Alice Cooper does.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thanks to an invitation from Hurricane Nieder herself.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. Who else?

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<v Speaker 1>Johnny Rotten very famously wore one in the Save the Queen, God,

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<v Speaker 1>Save the Queen video the sex Pistols.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, quite right, that quite right. Wouldn't even in that

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<v Speaker 2>article that I found that mentioned these others?

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<v Speaker 1>No, but they just right there on the cover. You

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<v Speaker 1>did some extra, excellent, extra research. You got anything else?

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<v Speaker 2>I got nothing else?

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