1 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the Short Stuff. I'm Josh, there's Chuck, 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: and we've got Jerry all wrapped up, so that means 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: this is an episode of short Stuff. 4 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. You know, I don't know why I 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 2: thought of this. I may have, I don't know. Maybe 6 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 2: I was listening to Quiet Ride or something because the 7 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 2: idea of straight jackets popped into my head and I 8 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 2: was just wondering. I was like, you know, you see 9 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 2: you still see that stuff in TV and movies. Yeah, 10 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 2: but I was like, is that still a thing? And 11 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 2: it turns out not so much. 12 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 1: No, not so much. How Stuff Works did an article 13 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: recently on straight jackets, and I also saw a really 14 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 1: good article on a site called history Hit, which I 15 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: hadn't heard before, but a guy named Kyle Hoachstro wrote 16 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 1: about him and it's. 17 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 2: Part of this came from How Stuff Works. A little 18 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 2: bit of it. 19 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: Okay, cool, Yeah, I thought I recognized that. So street 20 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: jackets came around in the Georgian period, way more recently 21 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: than I thought. Some people say about seventeen seven around them, 22 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: and they're exactly what we think of them today, which 23 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 1: is they were used to prevent people with severe mental 24 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: illness from harming themselves and others by preventing them from 25 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 1: moving their arms. They could still throw their torso at you, 26 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: but they couldn't like strangle you or smack you, or 27 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 1: punch you or choke you or anything like that, because 28 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: their arms were tied around their back through these overly 29 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: long sleeves that were attached to a jacket. Hence the 30 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,559 Speaker 1: straight jacket, very very tightly. That's where the word straight 31 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: comes from. 32 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, straight as in a t. 33 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: Yes, straight laced, meaning tightly drawn or tight fitting. 34 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, not straight as in straight and narrow. 35 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: No, and not straights like Ludacris's old restaurant in Atlanta. 36 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 2: I didn't know he had one. 37 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: They had to dessert. It was chocolate soup, which from 38 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: what I could tell, is just water down chocolate. 39 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 2: You know the Falcons. I have season tickets and they 40 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 2: have different themes usually, and one week it was the 41 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 2: history of hip hop, and so there was all kinds 42 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 2: of people that came out and sang during the breaks 43 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 2: and stuff timeouts, and at one point, Ludicrous came down 44 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 2: from the ceiling of Mercedes Ben's dome nice like strapped 45 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 2: into a thing a straight jacket with like a GoPro 46 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 2: on a selfie stick. 47 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: That's awesome. 48 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 2: Man, Like hundreds of feet in the air. It was 49 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 2: pretty amazing. 50 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: I would have lost my mind with fear head of been. 51 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 2: We were all pretty delighted. So straight jackets have sort 52 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 2: of risen and fallen and lockstep with the what they 53 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 2: used to call, you know, insane asylums. We don't use 54 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 2: that term anymore, but these asylums really grew over a 55 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 2: couple of hundred years in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, 56 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 2: and lockstep so did the use of straight jackets. They 57 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 2: were heavily used for a while, like you said, just 58 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 2: to keep people from hurting themselves or others. And their 59 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 2: rationale at the time was sort of like, hey, listen, 60 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 2: at least you can move around. We're not like chaining 61 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 2: you to a bed or something like that. Yeah, so 62 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 2: you can get up and walk around. At least it's 63 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 2: a little more humane than the alternative. But things started 64 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 2: to change as things changed in how we looked at 65 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 2: treating mental illness. 66 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, and one of the things there was actually a 67 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: strange turning point where they started to go out around 68 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,519 Speaker 1: the time that King George, the third of England who 69 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: was running the show when the American colonies declared independence 70 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: and fought England for independence and won. By the way 71 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: he was. There was a very famous movie and I 72 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: believe book called The Mandess of King George. 73 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 2: Great movie. 74 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: I had not seen it, but I did you know 75 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: that he was considered barking mad, as they were to 76 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: put it back in the day he had. They're not 77 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: quite sure what he had. They think possibly even had 78 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: a metabolic disorder called porphyria, and wasn't mentally ill at all, 79 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: but these were just symptoms of porfyria. He could have 80 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: also had severe mental illness, but he was confined in 81 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: a straight jacket, very famously by his doctor, Francis Willis. 82 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: Francis Willis also seemingly cured George the Third two and 83 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: very publicly so. And so King George the Third represented 84 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: the end of straight jackets because he also represented the 85 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: beginning of the concept, at least in England and the Colonies, 86 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 1: that mental illness could in fact be cured, and that 87 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: created a revolution in how we treated the mentally ill. 88 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: From that point on, it all pivoted in the In 89 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: One King. 90 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, you should totally see that movie. It's great, okay, 91 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:38,239 Speaker 2: like Capital g. 92 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: Grade, who's a David Keith. 93 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 2: No, Nigel Hawthorne is King George. And you think David 94 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 2: ian Holme is Doctor Francis Helen Myrens in it. It's 95 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 2: it's really really. 96 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: Good, Okay, I'll check it out. 97 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 2: So in the nineteen tents, of course, is when we 98 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 2: saw the straight jacket worn by Houdini as a way 99 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,239 Speaker 2: to do a stunt in full view of the audience, 100 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 2: rather than holding curtain up. But his brother, actually, Theodore Harden, 101 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 2: used the straight jacket before Houdini, evidently, and I think 102 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 2: Houdini might have ganked that from his bro. 103 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, we did a whole episode on Houdini. 104 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 2: It was a good, good one. 105 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: It was speaking of good ones. I say we take 106 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: a message break, let's do it. 107 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 3: Well, now we're on the road, driving in your truck. 108 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 3: I want to learn a thing or two from Josh, 109 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 3: PM Chuck. 110 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: It's stuff you should know. 111 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 3: Should all right, Final Josh and shock shot. 112 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 2: So these days, if you're not watching movies or television 113 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 2: where you still see tons of straight jackets, you're probably 114 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 2: not going to see them use much at all. They 115 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 2: are pretty outdated. Now we have. We have all kinds 116 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 2: of different things, from better treatments, better medication, better techniques, 117 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 2: more staff. The idea of just sort of the idea 118 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 2: of restricting someone's liberties by physically restraining them like that 119 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 2: is just sort of an outdated way to look at stuff. 120 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 2: They can also be deadly. I think there was a 121 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 2: case in eighteen twenty nine at Lincoln Asylum where someone 122 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 2: actually strangled themselves with their straight jacket. 123 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, they were strapped to the bed in a street 124 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: jacket and left overnight, and when they returned they had 125 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: strangled themselves or had been strangled by their straight jacket overnight, 126 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: and all the way back in eighteen twenty nine this asylum, 127 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: Lincoln Asylum, banned the use of straight jackets. So even 128 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: as far back as that, within a few decades of 129 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: their invention, they already had a bad name as being dangerous, 130 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: despite being considered a more humane alternative to chaining somebody, 131 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: which it was. You could say, but yeah, like you said, 132 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: we now have different, like different techniques to We do 133 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: have physical restraints still, they're usually like super fuzzy wrist 134 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: and arm restraints, but they use those as a last resort, 135 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: right if a patient. In this is the United States. 136 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: I'm not sure about some of the other countries that 137 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: hear us, but in the United States, if a patient 138 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: is dangerous or presents a clear danger to themselves or 139 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: to other people, you can, against their will, inject them 140 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: with the centative to restrain them. So it's chemical restraints 141 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: or we also have different non confrontational techniques. And I 142 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: look that up because I was curious what that amounts to, 143 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: and it is the most like low hanging fruit that 144 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: apparently works. If a patient is agitated, you get them 145 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: away from whatever is agitating them, and then you ask 146 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: them what's wrong? What can I do to help you? 147 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: What do you need to feel better about things? And 148 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: that this works, he's just take them to a low 149 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: sensory environment and just talk to them like a human being. 150 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: That's that's the new technique now, instead of straight jackets 151 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:03,559 Speaker 1: or chains. 152 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, because I imagine being approached by like three big 153 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 2: dudes holding up a straight jacket is not going to 154 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 2: lower the temperature at all. 155 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: And one has a net and one has a trident. 156 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it really is. It really is an 157 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 2: almost one trope because like these things went out of 158 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 2: fashion so long ago, but movies and TV just kept 159 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 2: using that same trope because it just is such a 160 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 2: signal for what you're to say, what kind of person 161 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 2: this is, which is a danger. 162 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: I think if there's any through thread to stuff you 163 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: should know, and there are many, but definitely that we've 164 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:45,839 Speaker 1: been grossly misinformed and misguided by TVs and movies over 165 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: the years. It's definitely a thread of stuff you should know. 166 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, there is a company and I don't 167 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 2: know if it was this might have been from the 168 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 2: House of Works article. Sure, but uh, there is a 169 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 2: company in uh Wanaki, I hope I'm pronouncing that right, 170 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 2: Wisconsin called Humane Restraint and I read that the first 171 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 2: twelve times as human Restraint, which I thought was the 172 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 2: worst funny name for a company that did this. Sure, 173 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 2: but it's actually a great name because it's Humane Restraint. 174 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 2: It's a company that makes this stuff. Did you go 175 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 2: to the website and look around? 176 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: No, but I did look up suicide smocks. 177 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 2: Well, just peruse Humane Restraint the website at some point, 178 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 2: because it's just one of those things where you are 179 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 2: sort of shocked to realize that there are, of course, 180 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 2: a company makes this stuff. This company makes all the 181 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 2: bed restraints. They make this safe furniture that you can't 182 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 2: like hurt yourself on gum me furniture. They make the 183 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 2: suicide smocks, which is you can't like roll them up 184 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 2: like to hang yourself or tear pieces off or whatever. 185 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: No, it's a dress made out as a gown made 186 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: out of a moving blanket. 187 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 2: No, I know, but the the whole point is you 188 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 2: can't roll it up and use it as a noose, yeah, 189 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 2: or tear it. 190 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: No, I know, it makes total sense. But it's made 191 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 1: out of moving blanket material. 192 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 2: Yes, exactly for sure. And the company that makes these 193 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 2: make less than one hundred straight jackets a year. They're 194 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 2: called Humane jackets on the website. And if you were 195 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 2: a hazard to guess how much they cost, what would 196 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 2: you it would be your guess? Nice leather strapping, Oh yeah, yeah, 197 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 2: it looks top of the line stuff canvas of. 198 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 1: Course, seventeen hundred dollars, drew. 199 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 2: My friend. You can get a humane jacket for two 200 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 2: hundred and twenty five bucks. What, Yeah, it was much 201 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 2: cheaper than I thought. 202 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: Wow, that's probably plether then it. 203 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 2: May be, but they had it's just an interesting website 204 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 2: to think that. Wow, there's a company that just makes 205 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 2: this stuff, but like a what a market to corner. 206 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 2: I think the interesting thing is is they interviewed someone 207 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 2: from there and they were like, hospitals aren't buying these 208 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 2: anymore at all. Obviously, we sell maybe one hundred of 209 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 2: them a year, and one hundred percent of them are 210 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 2: to jails and prisons. 211 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the depressing fact of this podcast totally. In 212 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, a group called Treatment Advocacy Center said that 213 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: pointed out that jails, How's jails and prisons house ten 214 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: times more seriously ment a little people than state psychiatric 215 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: hospitals too. And the reason why that's a little bit 216 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: of a three card Monty move right there, because there 217 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: are no state psychiatric hospitals anymore because of Ronald Reagan. 218 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 2: And of course the reason they're also using straight jackets 219 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 2: is because they don't they're not hospitals and they don't 220 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 2: have to play by the same rules of humane treatment, 221 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 2: so they could. You could still be in a prison 222 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 2: and if you're a danger they demio a threat or whatever, 223 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 2: they can put you in a straight jacket. 224 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 1: So, Chuck, I'm a rocker and I really loved your 225 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: Quiet Riot reference who else has worn straight jackets in 226 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: the music industry over the years. 227 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 2: Well, my friend you and I would saw Alice Cooper 228 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 2: in concert together in person, so we know Alice Cooper does. 229 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks to an invitation from Hurricane Nieder herself. 230 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 2: That's right. Who else? 231 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: Johnny Rotten very famously wore one in the Save the Queen, God, 232 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: Save the Queen video the sex Pistols. 233 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, quite right, that quite right. Wouldn't even in that 234 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 2: article that I found that mentioned these others? 235 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: No, but they just right there on the cover. You 236 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: did some extra, excellent, extra research. You got anything else? 237 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 2: I got nothing else? 238 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: Well, then street Check. 239 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 2: It's his apps. 240 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: Stuff you should know is a production of iHeartRadio. 241 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 2: For more podcasts my heart Radio, visit 242 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: The iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to 243 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 1: your favorite shows.