WEBVTT - Lab 017: Fall Back

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<v Speaker 1>If we sound crazy, it's because we had a wild

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<v Speaker 1>night last night.

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<v Speaker 2>Was it wild? We're too old to have wild night.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we went to dinner. We would have dinner late.

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<v Speaker 2>We had a late dinner. That's a wild night for

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<v Speaker 2>us to hear that. I feel like if I'm eating

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<v Speaker 2>at nine o'clock something went wrong during the day, or

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<v Speaker 2>I'm out with my friend.

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<v Speaker 1>A nine o'clock dinner feels like a It was practically breakfast. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it felt like two o'clock. I'm like, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>what the how's this restaurant still open? Right? What are

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<v Speaker 1>all these people doing?

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<v Speaker 2>There were children there. Yeah, those little girls we saw.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, eating that late, They're gonna have heartburn.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm t T and I'm Zachiah and from Spotify Studios.

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<v Speaker 2>This is dope laps.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we feel like that because it's so dark outside.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's been starting to get dark at like what

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<v Speaker 2>six point thirty too early, way too early, and it

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<v Speaker 2>just messes with you as soon as you get out

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<v Speaker 2>of work. It's dark.

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<v Speaker 1>It's crazy and all that does is lead to seasonal depression.

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<v Speaker 2>That is real in places that don't get that much sun,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I lived in Michigan for two years, and seasonal

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<v Speaker 2>depression is real. So you know, while I do like

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<v Speaker 2>it when it's wintertime, that's something I hate. I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like it gets dark so early, and then on top

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<v Speaker 2>of that, then we move the clock.

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<v Speaker 1>They were like more darkness. I don't understand. Right, today's

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<v Speaker 1>episode is exploring daylight savings. Is anybody else drowning in time?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Daylight saving drives me crazy?

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<v Speaker 1>Who came up with that?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's stupid. I think daylight savings is stupid.

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<v Speaker 1>At all you're gonna do is forget to change your clock,

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<v Speaker 1>be somewhere late, and if you like me and you're

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<v Speaker 1>already late, then going to be super late. And you

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<v Speaker 1>got a problem?

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<v Speaker 2>Were we falling back or we're falling back not springing

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<v Speaker 2>for it? So that means that what I'll see, all

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<v Speaker 2>of it is confusing for me. Would we be late

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<v Speaker 2>or early?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't understand. And that's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why, that's why nobody should be using this time

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<v Speaker 1>right here, this is a textbook example.

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<v Speaker 2>I really just want to know why this was put

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<v Speaker 2>into place, Like, who's idea was this and what problem

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<v Speaker 2>were you trying to solve?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, don't. If it's not broke, don't fix it exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Turn to your textbook on page Let's get to the

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<v Speaker 2>bottom of it. Let's get into the recitation. First of all,

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<v Speaker 2>apparently we've been saying it wrong this whole time. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not daylight savings time with an s. It's daylight

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<v Speaker 2>saving time.

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<v Speaker 1>Trying to save the daylight. Is that what it means.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what it means. But everybody says daylight savings time,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's not right. So you know, when you hear

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<v Speaker 2>your friends saying daylight savings say, sorry, that's not right.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I've been thinking that daylight saving times starts

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<v Speaker 1>in November, but it's ending.

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<v Speaker 2>Mind blown, like honestly, like I never thought of it

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<v Speaker 2>like that. I thought that daylight saving was when we

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<v Speaker 2>fell back.

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<v Speaker 1>No, so in the US, daylight saving starts in March.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the second Sunday in March, and that's when we

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<v Speaker 1>move our clocks forward, and then it ends when we

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<v Speaker 1>turn our clocks back, and that's the first Sunday in November.

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<v Speaker 1>And so even though we've been feeling like it's been

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<v Speaker 1>getting dark, we're really about to just deep dive into

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<v Speaker 1>the abyss. Oh my gosh, it's like we're basically going

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<v Speaker 1>underground now. Yes, we're going to be multiple. Now that

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<v Speaker 1>I have learned that to a bit, it still doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>change a thousand questions that I have.

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<v Speaker 2>For real, I mean, whose idea was this and why

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<v Speaker 2>was it put in place? I know that daylight saving

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<v Speaker 2>time is not a thing everywhere, right, so who makes

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<v Speaker 2>this decision is a government.

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<v Speaker 1>Who keeps holding it over me because I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to participate.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think most people want to participate. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know who benefits from daylight saving time.

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<v Speaker 1>Raise your hand if you like daylight saving time and

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<v Speaker 1>it makes your life better, I want to know. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't see no hands, who you are and how that works.

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<v Speaker 1>I think.

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<v Speaker 2>I also have questions, like I really want to know

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<v Speaker 2>how it works, because if it's dark when I wake

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<v Speaker 2>up and you say we're going to fall back, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even people say oh yes, fall back, spring

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<v Speaker 2>for it, that doesn't make sense to me because fall for

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<v Speaker 2>it sounds good too. So also, I never know which

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<v Speaker 2>way the clock is supposed to go. I always need

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<v Speaker 2>to be with someone.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, help me.

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<v Speaker 2>But now our phones do it on their own so

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<v Speaker 2>it's like if you got a clock in your house,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the only thing you got to worry about.

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<v Speaker 1>Is daylight saving time? Scientific? Is it a social construct?

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<v Speaker 1>Like when you say who came up with it? But

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<v Speaker 1>who does it belong to? Does it belong to the physicists? Right? Biologists?

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody who?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, plant your flag in daylight saving time? And tell

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<v Speaker 2>us who who is responsible? What community?

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<v Speaker 1>M H need more? I need more info. And then

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<v Speaker 1>you said that some people participate and some people don't.

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<v Speaker 1>How does that work?

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<v Speaker 2>And like, we know that we it messes all of

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<v Speaker 2>us up. I know how I feel exactly. But on

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<v Speaker 2>the grander scheme, are there bad parts about daylight saving time?

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<v Speaker 2>What are the pros and cons of having daylight saving time?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Like what are some of the greater implications?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>And what are the greater implications when you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>everyone participating?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how you can have a system where

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<v Speaker 1>everyone doesn't participate.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just like, not even everyone in the United States

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<v Speaker 2>participates in daylight saving time. And that's what's wild. That's

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<v Speaker 2>like if not everybody follow the traffic lights. Some people

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<v Speaker 2>just don't participate. That's madness, It's crazy. So it's like

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<v Speaker 2>when you go to Jersey and they want to pump

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<v Speaker 2>your gas for you.

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<v Speaker 1>No, thank you, Actually I like that. I hate getting out.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you gotta tip them.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I could do this myself.

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<v Speaker 1>You gotta tip them.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't tip them.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought you're supposed to tip them.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you getting I thought it was a bundle deal.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was rolled into the price, like it's

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be.

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<v Speaker 2>The United States. We ain't united, not on this, not

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<v Speaker 2>on that, definitely, not on daylight savings or on pumping gas. Apparently,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, so we got to get some answers to

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<v Speaker 2>these questions. Yes, so let's get into this section. But

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<v Speaker 2>before we introduce today's guests, we really need to just

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<v Speaker 2>talk about time. If you think about it, time's a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty abstract concept. The first thing is that it's man made.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm never late, that's not true.

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<v Speaker 2>So time is something that has been determined by humans.

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<v Speaker 2>And right now, there is a place in Colorado, it's

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<v Speaker 2>called the National Institute of Standards and Technology. They have

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<v Speaker 2>the atomic clock, and that clock kind of like calibrates

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<v Speaker 2>all of us. That is the official time in like

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<v Speaker 2>the world. And yeah, so they have determined what a

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<v Speaker 2>second is scientifically. So the technical definition of the second

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<v Speaker 2>is defined by taking the fixed numerical value of the

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<v Speaker 2>caesium frequency or the unperturbed ground state hyperfine transition frequency

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<v Speaker 2>of the caesium one thirty three ADAM to be nine billion,

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and ninety two million, six hundred and thirty

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<v Speaker 2>one thousand, seven hundred and seventy one expressed in the

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<v Speaker 2>unit hurts.

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<v Speaker 1>So, girl, the only thing I know from that hurts.

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<v Speaker 1>This definition hurts. What does that mean?

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<v Speaker 2>The way that most of us think of a second

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<v Speaker 2>is how we say, okay, there's twenty four hours in

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<v Speaker 2>a day, there's sixty minutes in an hour, there's sixty

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<v Speaker 2>seconds in a minute. So if you do the math,

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<v Speaker 2>you end up with eighty six four hundred seconds in

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<v Speaker 2>a day. But what they realized in the nineteen fifties

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<v Speaker 2>is that the Earth's rotation isn't consistent enough for that

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<v Speaker 2>to be valid all the time. So they were like,

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<v Speaker 2>how can we make this more accurate? And then they

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it some more and they said, well, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>we can base it off of atoms, and they based

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<v Speaker 2>it off a very specific atom. But before we get

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<v Speaker 2>into that specific atom. Let's talk about the basic structure

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<v Speaker 2>of an atom. So an atom is made up of

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<v Speaker 2>three things, the nucleus, which is made up of protons

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<v Speaker 2>and neutrons, and then you have electrons that are orbiting

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<v Speaker 2>all around it. So the atom that they were looking

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<v Speaker 2>at to determine what a second is is the caesium

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<v Speaker 2>one thirty three atom, and they looked at it because

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<v Speaker 2>season one thirty three only has one electron that's orbiting

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<v Speaker 2>in its outermost shell, so that was unique to it.

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<v Speaker 1>And what they.

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<v Speaker 2>Discovered is that that specific electron switches its spin from

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<v Speaker 2>one to another and back about nine billion times per second,

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<v Speaker 2>and so that became the standard for how we determine

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<v Speaker 2>what a sect second is. The reason why they do

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<v Speaker 2>it that way is because that nine billion times that

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<v Speaker 2>the spin changes that is standard, Like, it never changes.

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<v Speaker 2>Caesium one point thirty three is always on time. It

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<v Speaker 2>always has that same number every single time, and it

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<v Speaker 2>always hits the second. It is so consistent that after

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<v Speaker 2>a month it'll only be off by one nanosecond. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's pretty accurate.

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<v Speaker 1>So now that we got that primer from TT, let's

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<v Speaker 1>dig into daylight saving time, specifically to help us, we

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<v Speaker 1>call it.

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<v Speaker 3>Doctor Laura Grant, I am a professor at Claramont McKenna College,

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<v Speaker 3>and I study environmental and public economics. In essence, I

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<v Speaker 3>look at how I can get people to work in

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<v Speaker 3>better cooperation and in better improvement for the environment in society.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Grant examined how daylight saving affects energy use, because

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<v Speaker 2>saving energy was the real reason why we started changing

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<v Speaker 2>our clocks in the first place.

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<v Speaker 1>So this has nothing to do with the sun girl

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<v Speaker 1>saving energy? When when did this?

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<v Speaker 2>Like I have so are we doing that with the

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<v Speaker 2>wind turbines?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Like what? What blew my mind though, when you

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<v Speaker 1>think about it is when she told us that this

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<v Speaker 1>trace is back to Benjamin Franklin. It really is all

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<v Speaker 1>about the Benjamin So corny, but I love it. When

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<v Speaker 1>she told us that this trace is back to Benjamin Franklin,

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<v Speaker 1>I just had to roll my eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>Things were way less complicated back then, so maybe changing

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<v Speaker 2>the clocks wasn't a big deal, but in our new

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<v Speaker 2>age it is.

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<v Speaker 1>A big deal. That was the late seventeen hundred. So

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<v Speaker 1>he came up with this idea when he was a

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<v Speaker 1>diplomat in France.

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<v Speaker 3>So instead of turning on lights during the during the

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<v Speaker 3>morning or in the evening. If we live more by sunlight,

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<v Speaker 3>then we won't use as much energy. That's the hypothesis.

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<v Speaker 2>But what doctor Grant says is that it was low

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<v Speaker 2>key a joke.

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<v Speaker 3>He was joking about this fact that they were staying

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<v Speaker 3>up late, eat having fun, playing poker, and sleeping in

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<v Speaker 3>and one morning he said, oh my goodness, the sun's out.

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<v Speaker 3>To my surprise, we could be living by like the

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<v Speaker 3>economy of sunshine rather than burning candles at night. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>so he said, he wrote this essay that was very

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<v Speaker 3>whimsical and is a fun essay that basically said why

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<v Speaker 3>would we waste candles when we could wake up in

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<v Speaker 3>the morning. And in fact, he kind of proposed what

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<v Speaker 3>I would call an economic solution. He said that we

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<v Speaker 3>should clang bells at dawn and band shutters all again

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<v Speaker 3>in jest, more or less saying we should live during

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<v Speaker 3>the daylight.

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<v Speaker 2>But at first, Ben Franklin's idea wasn't taken very seriously

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<v Speaker 2>by any government for a very long time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it wasn't until the early nineteen hundreds that a

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<v Speaker 1>few cities in Canada began changing their clocks. Canadians, but

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<v Speaker 1>it was World War One, that took daylight saving time global.

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<v Speaker 3>And all the energy resources were really necessary. We wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to conserve and we're really concerned about energy resources. So

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<v Speaker 3>the Germans first implemented it, actually, and many other countries

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<v Speaker 3>followed suit, but we repealed it afterwards. People didn't like it.

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<v Speaker 2>And we still don't. Wait, okay, so we meaning the

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<v Speaker 2>United States. Yeah, and of course we all know that

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<v Speaker 2>daylight saving didn't stay repealed because we are currently experiencing it.

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<v Speaker 1>Unsurprisingly, war again brought it.

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<v Speaker 3>Back, and then World War two comes around, we practice

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<v Speaker 3>again because again energy conservation, all of our resources need

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<v Speaker 3>to go towards the war, and repeal again.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's right, we repeeled it again.

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<v Speaker 1>Why can't we learn our legs? Like, why isn't it

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<v Speaker 1>Why are we like war energy conservation? Let's live crazy

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<v Speaker 1>war energy conservation. Why can't we serve energy allway?

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<v Speaker 2>It's just like fool me once. Shame on you. You're not

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<v Speaker 2>gonna fool me again.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're over it. But even though it's no longer

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<v Speaker 1>federally mandated, some places continue to practice daylight saving and

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<v Speaker 1>that obviously became very confusing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because you have certain cities or certain states that

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<v Speaker 2>still change their clocks, and everybody else wasn't. So you

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<v Speaker 2>go down the road and they'd be like, it's nine o'clock.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, actually it's eight.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you imagine going to a different town, Like and

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's already confusing enough when we travel on

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<v Speaker 1>different time zones, but I'm talking about ten minutes down

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<v Speaker 1>the road a different city.

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<v Speaker 2>Especially if it's like someplace you're trying to get food

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<v Speaker 2>and they're like, sorry, the kitchen's clothes. Huh, that's the

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<v Speaker 2>easiest way to get me upset.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that, you know that I do.

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<v Speaker 3>So.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen sixty six, the federal government passed a law

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<v Speaker 2>called the Uniform Time Act. It standardized the start and

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<v Speaker 2>end dates for daylight saving across the country. So today

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<v Speaker 2>the US is one of about seventy countries that practice

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<v Speaker 2>daylight saving. So now we know why we started observing

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<v Speaker 2>daylight saving, But why does the amount of daylight we

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<v Speaker 2>get fluctuate in the first place. Yeah, this all has

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<v Speaker 2>to do with planetary rotation and the Earth's axis back

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<v Speaker 2>to TT. So the tilt of the Earth acxis defines

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<v Speaker 2>the amount of daylight we see, and daylight hours are

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<v Speaker 2>shortest during each hemisphere's winter, So in the wintertime, we

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<v Speaker 2>get the least amount of sunlight between summer and winter solstice.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's June twenty first for summer solstice and December

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<v Speaker 2>twenty first for winter solstice this year. Yeah, the number

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<v Speaker 2>of daylight hours decreases, and the rate of the decrease

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<v Speaker 2>is larger at higher latitudes.

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<v Speaker 3>The further south you are, the more your days are

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<v Speaker 3>the same all year. So down here in southern California,

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<v Speaker 3>our days change slower than yours do or somebody in

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<v Speaker 3>New York City or Chicago. And that's actually also why

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of tropical countries they're not going to practice

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<v Speaker 3>daylight saving time. They're on the equator and by definition

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<v Speaker 3>equal days on the equator, so they don't need daylight

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<v Speaker 3>saving time, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's why in places like I think Iceland they

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<v Speaker 2>have twenty four hours of darkness and other places that

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<v Speaker 2>are super high up on our hemisphere, and so the

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<v Speaker 2>fewer sunlight hours, the colder the nights get, and so

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<v Speaker 2>that's when winter starts.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And that's why winter is different in the northern

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<v Speaker 1>and southern hemispheres MM, because when it's winter and we're

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<v Speaker 1>having short days in a northern hemisphere. It's summer and

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<v Speaker 1>they're having long days in the southern hemisphere. Yes, all

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<v Speaker 1>of that's because of the tilt of the earth.

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<v Speaker 2>Woo. Imagine the Earth stood up straight, stand up, respectability politics,

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<v Speaker 2>pull up your pants Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. In theory, daylight saving is supposed to occur in

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<v Speaker 1>the winter and summer, but in the US that's not

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<v Speaker 1>the case.

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<v Speaker 2>The federal government has changed our start and end dates

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<v Speaker 2>twice to extend daylight saving, and as of two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and seven, we observe daylight saving eight months per year.

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<v Speaker 3>This seems a little absurd to me that it's not

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<v Speaker 3>just half and half, or that it's centered on the solstice.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they need to change it back, because you might

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<v Speaker 1>as well go ahead and extend it some more all

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<v Speaker 1>year round. Now it drops off and is drastic exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's like, why it's something like daylight saving, which

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<v Speaker 2>was started in order to save energy and.

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<v Speaker 1>All this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Why is it regulated by the government. It should just

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<v Speaker 2>be regulated by science.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like the solstice exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>But I guess we shouldn't feel so bad because we're

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<v Speaker 2>not the only country that practices daylight saving for more

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<v Speaker 2>than half the year when we extended it, and by

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<v Speaker 2>week she means the United States.

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<v Speaker 3>Mostly because it now includes Halloween, and the candy companies

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<v Speaker 3>like that Halloween has more daylight so that people will

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<v Speaker 3>go on more trigger treating, so you get lobbyists involved, right.

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<v Speaker 3>But as soon as the United States changed it, Canada

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<v Speaker 3>immediately followed suit because their economy is so intertwined with US,

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<v Speaker 3>it would be ridiculous for them to be off schedule

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<v Speaker 3>with US for a few weeks in the spring in

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<v Speaker 3>a few weeks in the fall.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of other countries, though, like some countries in Europe,

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<v Speaker 2>they were not into the idea of changing their start

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<v Speaker 2>and you're up.

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<v Speaker 3>Practice is daylight at saving time and does not coordinate

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<v Speaker 3>perfectly with our start dates.

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<v Speaker 1>And we don't even coordinate perfectly within our own United States.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Hawaii doesn't observe daylight saving Hawaii.

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<v Speaker 1>That feels like, Okay, you guys are floating out there

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<v Speaker 1>in the ocean. You're doing your own thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But Arizona doesn't even observe daylight saving, and they're right there.

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<v Speaker 2>They're probably the contiguous forty eight states, right, But then

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<v Speaker 2>even within Arizona, the Navajo Nation, they observe daylight saving.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not even Arizona as a whole has opted out.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, so if you're in Arizona, time depends on where

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<v Speaker 2>you are.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, now that I know a state can opt out

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<v Speaker 1>of daylight saving.

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<v Speaker 2>Time, I'm declaring my house a state.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. It's really frustrating, and I always feel like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to do this, But I guess now that

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<v Speaker 1>I know what it's supposed to do, which is to

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<v Speaker 1>provide some type of you know, economic benefit, saving energy

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<v Speaker 1>all of that, it feels like, Okay, maybe I should

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<v Speaker 1>get on board. But what I still don't know is

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<v Speaker 1>is it actually doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>And how does it affect us personally. We'll dive into

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<v Speaker 2>all these questions right after this break.

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<v Speaker 1>We are back.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking about daylight saving and how it all started

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<v Speaker 2>with Ben Franklin in the seventeen hundreds making a joke.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's kind of crazy if you think about it,

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<v Speaker 1>But to go from Ben Franklin suggesting like, hey, we

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<v Speaker 1>should change the time so we're not burning as many candles,

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<v Speaker 1>to the government implementing this in the nineteen sixties, and

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<v Speaker 1>then to extending daylight saving time in the early two thousands,

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<v Speaker 1>and to now we're you know, using this time for

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<v Speaker 1>over eight months of the year. A lot has changed

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<v Speaker 1>since the seventeen hundred for real, and we have to

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<v Speaker 1>really ask. I feel like we need to ask. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the really big question in the room, which is is

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<v Speaker 1>daylight saving still saving energy exactly?

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<v Speaker 2>Because back then they were burning candles. We not burning candles.

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<v Speaker 1>Candles and LEDs are different.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very different.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know how much a candle costs back then, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Them candles these days, you go to Yankee Candle, they

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<v Speaker 2>always got to sell. They'd be like, yeah, six candles,

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<v Speaker 2>large candles for like.

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<v Speaker 1>Three dollars Yankee candle, You bougie.

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<v Speaker 2>So we've got some real, real questions about if daylight

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<v Speaker 2>saving is actually saving anything.

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<v Speaker 1>And doctor Grant had the same question.

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<v Speaker 2>So doctor Grant and some colleagues decided to look for

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<v Speaker 2>a relationship between energy use and daylight saving.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually, I thought it might even cost more energy because

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<v Speaker 3>of all of our new modern day appliances are much

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<v Speaker 3>different than light bulbs.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>The way economist study questions like these is to look

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<v Speaker 1>for real world examples, and they found Indiana was the

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<v Speaker 1>perfect test ground for this. So Indiana used to be

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<v Speaker 1>one of those states that did not participate in daylight

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<v Speaker 1>saving and then in two thousand and seven they be

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<v Speaker 1>gan to participate.

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<v Speaker 3>And so here we have what we call a natural experiment, right,

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<v Speaker 3>which is a really great place to say, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 3>then let's look at their electricity data and say what

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<v Speaker 3>happened before and after.

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<v Speaker 2>So a natural experiment is just being a fly on

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<v Speaker 2>the wall.

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<v Speaker 3>So what we wanted to do is compare it to

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<v Speaker 3>then the either the states next door or like the

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<v Speaker 3>counties within. And that's exactly what we got to do

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<v Speaker 3>is we actually got to say, Okay, these people did

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<v Speaker 3>not change daylight saving time, these people did change date

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<v Speaker 3>saving time, and then we kind of have this control

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<v Speaker 3>group and a treatment group going forward.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is really cool because, like you said, being

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<v Speaker 1>a fly on a wall, you get to observe what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have kind of two things that you can

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<v Speaker 1>look at. You can say Indiana, which was not practicing

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<v Speaker 1>daylight saving time compared to neighboring states that were practicing

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<v Speaker 1>daylight saving time.

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<v Speaker 2>And comparing Indiana to itself before and after they implemented

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<v Speaker 2>daylight saving.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and it's so great that she's able to do

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<v Speaker 1>states next door, right, Because like you said about latitude

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<v Speaker 1>and location having a big role in how much daylight

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<v Speaker 1>you get, therefore how much energy you need to use.

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<v Speaker 3>So we looked at several years of these data and

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<v Speaker 3>this before and after, and so we got something like

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<v Speaker 3>eight million observations on residential utility of bells.

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<v Speaker 1>We all know those bills go up in the winter

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<v Speaker 1>to heat that home.

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<v Speaker 2>I wait to the very last second to turn my

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<v Speaker 2>heat on because that gas bill is crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>You saw me over here at t T's house and

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<v Speaker 1>my coat on Instagram. She tried to freeze me out.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not playing around like I turn it on when

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<v Speaker 2>I need to. Everybody else just needs to put on socks.

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<v Speaker 3>When Indiana went on Daily Saving time, they used more

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<v Speaker 3>energy and we found that it cost Indiana millions of

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<v Speaker 3>dollars per year.

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<v Speaker 1>So you mean to tell me we're out here listening

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<v Speaker 1>to Benjamin Franklin. You see, I don't have any respect

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<v Speaker 1>for him anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>It's calling him by his full first name, last.

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<v Speaker 1>Name, Benjamin Benny.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we're listening to Benjamin Franklin. He's got us out

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<v Speaker 2>here waking up at old dark thirty and going to

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<v Speaker 2>getting off work dark.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I definitely miler.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, huh, is that a pie?

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<v Speaker 1>It's wild that doctor Grant found that they weren't even

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<v Speaker 1>saving energy by going on daylight saving time.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not surprised because when Benjamin Franklin was doing this,

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<v Speaker 2>things were very different. Now, all the tech and everything

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<v Speaker 2>that we have that heat our homes and light our rooms,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not surprised that we're not actually saving any energy.

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<v Speaker 1>And not only are we not saving energy, we're not

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<v Speaker 1>saving dollars. Franklin is in my bag. Get out right.

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<v Speaker 2>Benjamin Franklin's then and gone, and all of us are

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<v Speaker 2>wasting coins not anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, I'm taking the person sets out. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I can think of what changed, but I want to

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<v Speaker 1>know what doctor Grant thinks about this, Like why does

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<v Speaker 1>daylight saving time no longer help us save energy?

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<v Speaker 2>Right, We're so busy thinking about the winter time, but

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<v Speaker 2>we really need to think about summer.

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<v Speaker 3>We have just aligned our day with the sunlight, which

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<v Speaker 3>means the hottest part of the day, which means we're

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<v Speaker 3>going to crank up air conditioning. And you can probably

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<v Speaker 3>guess that air conditioning versus the light bulb. Air conditioning

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<v Speaker 3>does use more energy, so that swamps it. So, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>we get some savings with lighting in the summer, but

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<v Speaker 3>we're coming home to the hottest part of the day.

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<v Speaker 3>Our houses are hot, we change the thermostat and use

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<v Speaker 3>more energy.

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<v Speaker 1>And even though it gets cooler when we get into

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<v Speaker 1>the fall, our energy use doesn't really go down.

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<v Speaker 3>And what happens is as we approach that date, what

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<v Speaker 3>you'll notice is that you're actually waking up in the dark.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the coldest time of the year, so you're going

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<v Speaker 3>to crank up your heat, right and it's the coldest

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<v Speaker 3>time of the day. You're not doing anything except for

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<v Speaker 3>just changing your lighting us from the evening to the morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Grant's study was of Indiana, and we don't know

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<v Speaker 1>that it's going to work for everybody. You know, usually

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<v Speaker 1>you want to have more than one study and look

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<v Speaker 1>at different cases. But I, for one, right, this is

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<v Speaker 1>enough information for me. I propose that, at least where

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<v Speaker 1>I live in Maryland, that we all just boycott daylight

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<v Speaker 1>savings and let's do let's look at our bills. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>all just not fall back, let's fall forward, Let's just

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<v Speaker 1>fall out of all of this stuff. Let's just keep

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<v Speaker 1>let's fall into the gap.

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<v Speaker 3>The gap.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to know how does it affect me?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I know, I mean, I'm really interested in the

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<v Speaker 2>energy conservation piece. I'm definitely interested in my budget, but

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<v Speaker 2>I know I feel something in my body too.

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<v Speaker 1>Is anybody else struggling out here?

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<v Speaker 2>Me struggling?

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<v Speaker 3>No matter what. An hour change is pretty shocking to

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<v Speaker 3>our economy and to our bodies and our society.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's look deeper into these two things. First, our bodies,

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<v Speaker 2>how does daylight savings affect our physiology?

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<v Speaker 1>Our circadian rhythm is our sleep wake cycle, right, so

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<v Speaker 1>your body gets into this zone. Mine is a little off.

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<v Speaker 1>We've talked about that, Yes it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Zakia doesn't go to bed till two thirty in the

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<v Speaker 2>morning and then wakes up two hours later.

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<v Speaker 1>When your circadian rhythm gets off or upset, a whole

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<v Speaker 1>host of negative things can happen. We're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>go in too much detailed this episode, but for now,

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<v Speaker 1>what you need to know is that messing with your

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<v Speaker 1>body's internal clock doesn't just cause drowsiness. It can cause stress,

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<v Speaker 1>exacerbate any existing health problems, and even can lead to

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<v Speaker 1>seasonal depression. So just know you want to hit the

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<v Speaker 1>sack all right, And daylight saving.

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<v Speaker 2>Is way deeper than just beauty sleep. Yes, it can

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<v Speaker 2>have some spillover effects. Some studies have shown that sleep

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<v Speaker 2>deprivation from daylight saving has led to an increase in

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<v Speaker 2>vehicle and workplace accidents. Let me tell you, maybe we

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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't go to work. That's what I'm going to tell

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<v Speaker 2>my boss. I'm like daylight saving. I'm sorry, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to crash my car. I'm going to stay home

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<v Speaker 2>and sleep today. I'm going to tell work I think

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<v Speaker 2>I work better in my pajamas anyway, I definitely do. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>let's move on to the second thing Doctor Grant mentioned society.

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<v Speaker 2>The time change has multiple effects.

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<v Speaker 3>Transit schedules are an issue, airline schedules are a real issue.

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<v Speaker 2>And it can also make pollution worse.

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<v Speaker 3>When we use more energy, especially in the Midwest, we

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<v Speaker 3>burn something. We tend to burn coal there still or

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<v Speaker 3>natural gas, and when we burn things, we emit pollution,

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<v Speaker 3>so we have that much more pollution as well, which

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<v Speaker 3>is in the form of smog and carbon.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's a whole lot of negative in my book.

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<v Speaker 2>But adjusting our clocks also does have some benefits. We

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<v Speaker 2>have to, you know, say both sides.

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<v Speaker 3>It does increase recreation, So the recreation industry really likes it,

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<v Speaker 3>because you do tend to have people people go do recreate,

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<v Speaker 3>tend to recreate more on the afternoon or evenings, especially socially,

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<v Speaker 3>so that is more likely than at six in the morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, there's more time for you to go

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<v Speaker 2>out and do stuff outside, and so it's better for

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<v Speaker 2>people who like to do those types of things like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, hiking, biking, going for walks.

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<v Speaker 3>It also does tend to reduce crime a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>because things like muggings, things that would happen in the dark,

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<v Speaker 3>and if we have less people in the dark, in

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<v Speaker 3>other words, we're living during the sunlit hours, it's less

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<v Speaker 3>just likely that those crimes of opportunity might happen.

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<v Speaker 2>So the results of daylight saving are kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>mixed bag. And here in the US, it doesn't look

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<v Speaker 2>like things are going to change on a wide scale

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<v Speaker 2>anytime soon, even though some people, not just men Zekiah

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<v Speaker 2>but also doctor Grant would really like to get rid

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<v Speaker 2>of daylight saving permanently. Before we let her go, she

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<v Speaker 2>gave us our pitch.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of us have these opportunities now like telecommuning

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<v Speaker 3>and working from home, freelance opportunities where we have the

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<v Speaker 3>Internet and we have instant communication and we have instant

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<v Speaker 3>messager and you know, updates constantly arraging us. It kind

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<v Speaker 3>of doesn't you know, you can check in and find

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<v Speaker 3>out if somebody's awake or not really quick. And I

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<v Speaker 3>really think that we might actually be like kind of

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<v Speaker 3>a post clock period pretty soon, and then localities could

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<v Speaker 3>go back to actually the way it was in the

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<v Speaker 3>eighteen hundreds, where each locality had a little bit more

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<v Speaker 3>of their own time zone and said this works for us,

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<v Speaker 3>this works for our school district, this works for our work.

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<v Speaker 3>We're going to allow our work. There's a little more

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<v Speaker 3>flexibility when they come and go. And I do think

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<v Speaker 3>we have that opportunity now.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm ready to move into a post clock society.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine that would be amazing. You create your own work schedule,

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<v Speaker 2>you decide what, like what is socially acceptable in your

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<v Speaker 2>own house.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, actually I may be living there already.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems like it's sometime.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember I was like, would you like to

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<v Speaker 1>come in? You were like, it's two thirty, I'm going home.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to wake up in my own bed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, this happened literally the other night. It was like, okay, friend,

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<v Speaker 2>would you like to I was like, uh uh no,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm getting in my car, I'm going home. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to wake up in my own bed.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't planning on going to sleep, so I didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Understand, Oh, my friend needs to give some sleep. Forget

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<v Speaker 2>daylight saving save me from the Kia.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't mean that, and you don't just lashing out

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<v Speaker 1>the ones you love.

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<v Speaker 2>second is like, however long, It's like M I S.

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<v Speaker 1>S and what is that thing? Like, No, I know

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<v Speaker 1>what it is. It's one Mississippi, two Mississippi. What were

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<v Speaker 1>you doing? Ala S S I S S I P P.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how I learned to sell Misissippi. But that's not

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<v Speaker 1>what I meant.