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Speaker 1: Novel h On April two thousand and fifteen, Phoenix Jones

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Speaker 1: made a comeback of sorts, Ladies and Gentle. This fight

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Speaker 1: In one corner, you had twenty eight year old Emmanuel

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Speaker 1: who decided to fight under his superhero name for the

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Speaker 1: was ready to believe in Phoenix Jones again. He was

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Speaker 1: going into this fight undefeated in his professional career, and

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Speaker 1: in an online poll by the m A site, topology

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Speaker 1: at this arena, double stacked seats. This is where the

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Speaker 1: legacy starts. This is where the phoenix rises. For someone

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Speaker 1: like Phoenix, who has an admittedly disastrous personal life, I

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Speaker 1: You can't misinterpret a punch to the face or have

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Speaker 1: It just happens, pure and visceral. Once you step into

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Speaker 1: The ring is the only true place in the world

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Speaker 1: where no lives matter. Like nothing you said matters, nothing

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Speaker 1: you claim to have done matters, none of it. Where

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Speaker 1: two people were gonna fight and my machine is better

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Speaker 1: I hate me. Sometimes, Phoenix was back where he longed

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Speaker 1: But the one thing that you have to know when

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Speaker 1: they closed the deca gone doors. Not even Phoenix Jones

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Speaker 1: can saving. We are set to go here in Connecticut.

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Speaker 1: It would be a fight for the ages. You're ready,

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Speaker 1: You're ready. I'm David Weinberg and from the team's at

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Speaker 1: Novel and I heart radio. This is the Superhero Complex,

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Speaker 1: episode seven from the Ashes. After Phoenix split from the

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Speaker 1: Rain City Superheroes, he vowed to continue fighting crime, but

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Speaker 1: based on his social media posts, he seemed to be

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Speaker 1: Jones YouTube channel. To this day, he hasn't posted anything

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Speaker 1: I'm putting this on my YouTube channel, but it's really

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Speaker 1: on my Facebook page. Phoenix is in street clothes. He

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Speaker 1: I felt this crazy excitement that I wasn't alone, that

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Speaker 1: I'm dropping all of the negative talk about other superheroes.

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Speaker 1: And before I recorded this, I deleted my entire banned list.

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Speaker 1: So funny to say this, if there was none of you,

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Speaker 1: also known by their acronym Echo. No more negative stuff,

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Speaker 1: no more garbage. We're all a team and uh I'll

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Speaker 1: Was he humbled by his loneliness. Was he growing as

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Speaker 1: Do you remember your first mm A fight? Yeah, Ken Brenger.

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Speaker 1: I love talking to Manny. He was g garious and

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Speaker 1: You know, you take care of your own house first, right,

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00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 1: because you can't pour from an empty cup, right, You

429
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: still have to take care of your own life. And

430
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,439
Speaker 1: if your own life needs work, you can't put yourself

431
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: out there to try and help other people if you

432
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 1: can't help yourself. He kind of got into this space

433
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: where it was definitely not good for him to be

434
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 1: patrolling for a while, and I think that's why he

435
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 1: took several hiatuses and has been less active recently. In

436
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 1: in the recent years, I got the feeling from patrolling

437
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 1: and talking with Justin's service that Red Ranger was very

438
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: much his mentor. Justin was younger, also smaller, a skinny

439
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: guy who was relatively new to Seattle. He was soft

440
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: spoken and had a gentleness that I found endearing. Hate Greg,

441
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: but I have a flash, right, I think bring that

442
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 1: big one. Justin grew up in a small town in Idaho.

443
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 1: It's just the nerdy kid that would avoid confrontation all

444
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:17,400
Speaker 1: the time and got beat up a lot, but courage

445
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: is uh something you build on. He heard about the

446
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: real life superhero movement after seeing a documentary on HBO

447
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 1: called Superheroes. They genuinely wanted to help and they had

448
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,439
Speaker 1: a creative way to do it, and I was like,

449
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: I want to try that out. So he put together

450
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: a costume and started patrolling the streets of a small

451
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 1: town looking for crime to stop. It was nerve racking

452
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: at first. I was just a guy in a costume

453
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: wandering around in a very conservative area, and in small town, Idaho,

454
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: there wasn't a whole lot of crime to fight. It

455
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 1: was also a particularly difficult time in his life. My

456
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: dad was diagnosed with cancer and getting treatments and stuff

457
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 1: at the time, so it was kind of hard, and

458
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: I didn't want to, like, I don't know, put any

459
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: extra on him. He wasn't exactly the best father, but

460
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: he was a good guy. So I alternated between like

461
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: taking care of him and going out at night. But

462
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 1: he uh, he recently passed in July, so Justin had

463
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: also lost his mom, and without his parents, he struggled

464
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: to figure out what exactly he was going to do

465
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 1: with his life. As he started looking into the real

466
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: life superhero movement. He met some of the Seattle superheroes

467
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: like Red Ranger on Facebook and it made the possibility

468
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 1: of becoming a hero more real. He decided to move

469
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: to Seattle and join them Red Ranger, sky Man, Spirit Fox,

470
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: El Cabro, all them. They welcome in and help me out.

471
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: Does Seattle feel like a dangerous place? Do you? Um?

472
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: I wouldn't call it safe, that's for sure. His luck

473
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: would have it. During Justin's services very first patrol in

474
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: Seattle with his newfound friends, they happened to run into

475
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: Phoenix Jones. Well technically they ran into Ben Fodor. He

476
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: was in street clothes, not on patrol. The first thing

477
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: he said to me, he was like, hey, new guy,

478
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: dear job or I'll kill you my fucking self. I

479
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: was just kind of taken aback by that. I was like, Jesus,

480
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: guy is supposed to be a superhero. When I first

481
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 1: came out here, my mindset, I had watched the videos

482
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: of Phoenix Jones and all that, and I was like stoked.

483
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, this is the guy. Yeah. And

484
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: then he says off the walls stuff like that, and

485
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, okay, that was my first time meeting

486
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: the famous Phoenix Jones. When I asked Phoenix about this exchange,

487
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: he admitted to saying it. He claimed he was only joking,

488
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: but it didn't seem that way to Justin's service. How

489
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: can you claim to be a defender of the innocent

490
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: and be a bully at the same time. After spending

491
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: time with Justin and hearing his story of losing his parents,

492
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: I just felt this paternal instinct to protect him, and

493
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: knowing that he was inspired to uproot his life and

494
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: moved to Seattle precisely because of Phoenix, only to meet

495
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: him and have him threatened his life, it really angered me.

496
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: We got like socks, So you're not totally free superheroes,

497
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: not coops. I'm actually a nurse. I will also say

498
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: that I'm very grateful for Justin's service, because he ended

499
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: up protecting me on patrol that night. I had not

500
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: expected things to go down the way they did. I

501
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: figured we'd help a few homeless people and maybe, if

502
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: we were really lucky, we'd find a bar fight to

503
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: break up. Because the vast majority of the time, superhero

504
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: patrols are pretty uneventful. Even if you patrol every night,

505
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: the odds of encountering a crime in progress seems insanely low.

506
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: But that's also one of the arguments I've heard for

507
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: these patrols that the presence of these crazy looking characters

508
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: can actually deter crime. I mean, would you snatch a

509
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: purse from an old lady if a dude in head

510
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: to toe body armor and a metal shield was glaring

511
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: at you. What I was not prepared for was the

512
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: profound mental health and addiction crisis that we were waiting into.

513
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: At one point, we were standing on a street corner

514
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: handing out food when this guy with a crazed look

515
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: in his eyes came running at me with a metal pole.

516
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: Justin's Service jumped in between me and the guy. So

517
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: we just had a guy threatening other residents of this

518
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: homeless camp with a pole, and Justin Service and I

519
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: just put ourselves between him and the residents of this

520
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: camp and he walked away. He's coming back though, never

521
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: mind we wear the armor. He ended up stopping short

522
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: of attacking us, but he was clearly distressed, rambling incoherently,

523
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: Oh did you need so? Red Ranger and Justin's Service

524
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: decided to try a different approach. They asked the guy

525
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: about his weapon. Is it a flu? What is it?

526
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: It's it's a compressed in spots like it looks like

527
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: a flu. Do you want some water or food or anything.

528
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: We can give you that right now. Brother. I'm sorry

529
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: you guys walking. Oh yeah, we're going all around the

530
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: city tonight. All right, brother, be safe with that thing tonight.

531
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: It looks safe, it okay. Red Ranger and justin Service

532
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: handled the situation extremely well. It was impressive, in fact,

533
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: that they were so kind and gentle with the man

534
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: that he decided he wanted to join us, and he

535
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: walked alongside us for several blocks, while Red Ranger definitely

536
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: tried to get him to go off on his own

537
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: so we could continue our patrol. All right, brother, take care.

538
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: We'll roll with you and see if I can orno.

539
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: It's all right, man, we're gonna be moving all around

540
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: you got There were other encounters that still haunted me.

541
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: One woman came up to Red Ranger when she heard

542
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: him say that he was in a nurse. She showed

543
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: him her arm, which was covered in horribly infected sores

544
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: from using intravenous drugs. Even Red Rangers seemed a little alarmed.

545
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: That's a serious infection and he needs some antibiotics for that.

546
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: I would make sure you get to a hospital as

547
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: soon as possible. Okay, can you walk there? Can you

548
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: get there? Are you hurting right now? I thought, alright, dear,

549
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: I understand that, but you've got to be safe with that. Okay,

550
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: make sure we get clean needles and go see a hospital.

551
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: SUSI maybe I was just paranoid, but we came across

552
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: so many people who were clearly struggling with mental health issues.

553
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: I was worried they would see the superheroes in their

554
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: armor and think they were a threat and they would

555
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: attack us. But no one did. Instead, they accepted our

556
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: socks and food, and we're grateful. Red Ranger administered first

557
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: aid to several people who seemed to be in really

558
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: bad shape. It was pretty remarkable to see the superheroes

559
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: in action, and it was an experience that has stayed

560
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: with me, especially after hearing the way Phoenix talked specifically

561
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: about Justin's service and the other members of the superhero

562
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: community who were drawn to the humanitarian aspect of this work.

563
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: Seeing Red Ranger and Justin Service changed my opinion of

564
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: the real life superheroes. Before going on patrol, I was

565
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: a lot more skeptical of the good that these superheroes

566
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: were doing, but I came away from my patrol with

567
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: a lot more respect for them. I did wonder, though,

568
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: how it affected them to wade into so much pain

569
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,719
Speaker 1: and suffering as often as they do. What is like

570
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: your regular day to day life like when you're not

571
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: uh fighting crime. Um, I won't go into too much detail,

572
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: but I am currently homeless myself and trying to to

573
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: work towards housing and all that. Uh so fighting crime

574
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: on top of all that. It is a little tricky,

575
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: but I try and make it work even when I'm

576
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: not in the mask and everything. I'm I have an

577
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: app called Citizen, Yeah, and so I use that a

578
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: lot to find incidences near me, and I'll rush right

579
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: to it armor or not, just to make sure everybody's

580
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 1: safe and if there is anything I can do to help,

581
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: I'm I'm there, you know. So, Yeah, it's pretty amazing

582
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 1: that you do all this work and you're also like

583
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: struggling to find housing yourself. What is that like? Um?

584
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: I suppose it's just a matter of I've experienced a

585
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: lot of loss myself with my parents and being homeless

586
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: and stuff. I just understand what it is to be struggling,

587
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 1: and if I can help another person not struggle as much,

588
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: that that helps my life, you know. So, yes, I'm

589
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: homeless and I'm working towards finding housing, but I I

590
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: have ways to feed myself, I have ways to to

591
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: work with housing navigators and stuff like that, so I

592
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: want to help the people who don't have those resources.

593
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: It's kind of the same with the armor, you know.

594
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 1: If I'm the one with the armor, I want to

595
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: take the damage, not the person who doesn't have the armor.

596
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: I'm just in service. I'm here only to serve, not

597
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: to receive. I was shocked to learn that justin Service

598
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 1: was homeless. I think if anyone deserves to be called

599
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: a real life superhero, I'd like to nominate him. A

600
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 1: guy who's struggling to find housing and spends what little

601
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: money he has buying food and socks for other homeless people.

602
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: And learning that he was homeless made me more angry

603
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: at the way Phoenix talked about people like justin the

604
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,399
Speaker 1: way he labeled them with his trademark insult real life

605
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,439
Speaker 1: sandwich handlers. He e J said that a long time

606
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: ago and It's like, you know, from my perspective of

607
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: being homeless and all that, I wish that there were

608
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: superheroes hand and sandwiches on the times I was on

609
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,760
Speaker 1: the street and all that. I'm in a shelter now.

610
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's just crazy to think that helping someone

611
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: is bad or ineffective in some way. Like that's what

612
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: heroes do. We hope people. It's not always comic book

613
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: action and fighting Kaijus in the street. It's it's helping

614
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 1: people first and foremost. Thank you for coming out here

615
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: with our pro book. Thanks for letting me tag a lie.

616
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: I hope I wasn't in the way at all. It

617
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,280
Speaker 1: was time to bid farewell to my new superhero friends.

618
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: It was the early hours of the morning. I was

619
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: exhausted physically and emotionally. I got into my rental car

620
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: and shut the door. For the first time that night,

621
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: all the noise of the city went quiet. I sat

622
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: there for a good while, feeling heavy with sadness. After

623
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,919
Speaker 1: seeing so many people suffering, It was impressive to see

624
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 1: the superheroes dedicate themselves to helping, but the scale of

625
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: the problem fell overwhelming, and the need for housing and

626
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: supportive services far greater than anything the superheroes could provide. Eventually,

627
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: I started my car and headed back to my hotel. Meanwhile,

628
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: all was not well with the city's most famous masked adventurer,

629
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 1: Phoenix Jones, was about to find himself in a mess

630
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: he couldn't talk his way out of. That's coming up.

631
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: In the years after Phoenix's departure from the Rain City Superheroes,

632
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: his old teammates kept an eye on their old leader

633
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: from a distance, and they noticed a pattern start to emerge.

634
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: Phoenix would disappear for a while, then suddenly he would

635
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: be back out on the streets patrolling. He always makes

636
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: a comeback every six months or so when he's ready

637
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: to like up his mm A career. This is Crystal Marks.

638
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: He does a patrol, invites media along, and then all

639
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: of a sudden he's like, oh yeah, and I have

640
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: a fight yet, you know Karina or wherever show Wear

641
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: Center and Kent Like, okay, that's why you're doing it.

642
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,919
Speaker 1: You're no longer doing it because you care. I think

643
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: you still do, but it's because you want to promote

644
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: your fight. The rain City Superheroes and moved on with

645
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: their own lives, but watching from Afar. They were getting

646
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,959
Speaker 1: indications that things in Phoenix's life we're not going well.

647
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: Here's evocatus. I still remember the day I got a

648
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: phone call asking, you know what can I speak to

649
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: Benjamin Voter. I'm like, may I ask what this is

650
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: in regards to without saying yes or no. And basically,

651
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: there had been some altercation or crime or something and

652
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 1: he had put my contact information on the police report

653
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: for whatever crime or whatever it was he got stopped for.

654
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was he did. She wouldn't

655
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: disclose that, but used my name, my phone number, and

656
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: I explained that to the attorney that had called me.

657
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, this is I used to be on

658
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: his team. I don't know why he would do that

659
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: now I live in a completely different city. And she's like, yeah,

660
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: you don't sound anything like. I'm like, yeah, I'm I

661
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: thank you, I'm aware, I don't tell anything like. She

662
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 1: apologized and thanked me for my time, and that was that.

663
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: Eva wasn't the only one. Almost everyone on the team

664
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: at some point had been contacted by either the Seattle

665
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 1: Police Department or someone within the King County Court system

666
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: asking for Phoenix Jones EVO told me he and the

667
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: other superheroes were still getting calls from the police. Years

668
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: after the rain City Superheroes had disbanded. Phoenix's former teammates

669
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: had some theories about what might be at the root

670
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: of Phoenix's unusual behavior and all of the run ins

671
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: he seemed to be having with the cops. He pawned

672
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 1: a bunch of team equipment for drugs. Here's Midnight Jack

673
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: Phoenix Jones. Sociopath is what I think. The only thing

674
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: Ben cares about has been and that's why he has

675
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: no friends. All his friends have left him. He's kind

676
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: of got beaten down, started using. The man is just

677
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: not in a good place, is what it is. This

678
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: wasn't the first time there have been speculation that Phoenix

679
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: might have a drug problem. Many of his former comrades

680
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: told me they had suspicions for years, even back when

681
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: the rain City Superheroes were still together. His proximity to

682
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: drugs seemed to kind of increase with frequency. He keeps

683
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: going to more and more of these parties where he

684
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: would be air quotes accidentally slipped something on the Lord

685
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: knows what it could be that made him feel very woozier. Stuff.

686
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: He was kind of gauging the water to see how

687
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: people react to him actually taking some kind of drugs.

688
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 1: Evo said that Phoenix also repeatedly made excuses to be

689
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: around drugs when it came to his crime fighting. Once

690
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: a fellow team Reaper said, hey, did you see his Twitter? Like? No,

691
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: I said, no, no no, no, his other Twitter, And he

692
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: showed me a new profile he had made talking about

693
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 1: going undercover. He would dress up and just regular civilian

694
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: clothes and try to do drug busts and things like that.

695
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 1: But you know, he had to get in real close

696
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: with them first. And it's like he had watched a

697
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: couple episodes of Breaking Bad and you know, got a

698
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: couple of light bulb moments there. But Evo said the

699
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: stories Phoenix told didn't add up. The other superheroes had

700
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 1: heard conflicting versions from Phoenix. He was trying to take

701
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: down this crack dealer and this other person. No, he's

702
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 1: trying to take down this weed dealer. No, he's trying

703
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: to take down this meth dealer. And you know, I

704
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: had to earn their trust before they let me in,

705
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: So I had to, you know, deal some stuff from

706
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: time to time. But you know that was just for

707
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 1: the mission, right, and it would change so many times.

708
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: I just kind of like, Okay, well there's a problem here.

709
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: I am not qualified to address this. I don't even

710
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: know what to do. I'm just here at patrol man,

711
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,959
Speaker 1: and I would just keep on with it. Evo said

712
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: things got so bad that at one point one of

713
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 1: Phoenix's close friends, someone from outside the superhero world called

714
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: him up worried about Phoenix's relationship with drugs. She had

715
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: lost somebody to drug overdose who had had very similar tendencies, like,

716
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I was just hanging on with some friends

717
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: and somebody put something in my drink and I had

718
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: no idea what it was, and it bothered her so

719
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 1: much that she couldn't talk to him anymore. Evo told

720
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: me another story from back in their patrolling days, when

721
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: Phoenix had been acting really strange. He just seemed like

722
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: a nonresponsive zombie, just kind of walking but not talking

723
00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 1: to anybody. There were rumors of some kind of potential

724
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: substance being in a system. We had two medics on

725
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: our team at the time, and one of them could

726
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,479
Speaker 1: recognize immediately that there was something off, and it made

727
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,439
Speaker 1: some kind of sideways joke about, yeah, he would set

728
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: fire to your analysis test right now if we were

729
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: to test for drugs or something like that, and getting

730
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 1: her and sample said, yeah, that would probably combust. Now,

731
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: mind you, that's that's rumor mill And you know, I'm

732
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: certainly no doctor, but the shoe would fit, and I

733
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: don't think anyone would be surprised. Evil wasn't happy with

734
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: the potential risk of patrolling with someone whose judgment might

735
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: be impaired by narcotics, so he followed up right before

736
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: the team had actually disbanded. I had purchased several ur

737
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: analysis tests drug tests. It's basically urinate on a little strip.

738
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: It detects like seven or nine different types of control

739
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: substances and see if you know, if the color shows up,

740
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: that means you have something in your system, that kind

741
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: of a thing, and I would I bottle those. And

742
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 1: I intended to bring that and kind of springing as

743
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: a surprise on everyone at a on a patrol do

744
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: to some of these rumors and stuff like that. But

745
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: Phoenix had disbanded the team just before it had happened,

746
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: so no one ever knew. And I suspect that someone

747
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: may have leaked that to Phoenix, or had mentioned that, Hey,

748
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: just so you know, there's going to be what we

749
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: call a whiz quiz coming up soon. So I can't

750
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: verify whether or not he knew in advance or just

751
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 1: he was having a temper tantrum and decided to take

752
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: his ball and go home. There was enough rumor mill

753
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: to substantiate me actually getting drug tests. The entire team ready.

754
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: Elcaba Lero was concerned too. I mean, it's something he

755
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: had actually talked about quite a number of times, like

756
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: I've never done drugs, Like I can't believe people do that.

757
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 1: In fact, that was his coming of age superhero story,

758
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: is that someone high on drugs broke his window and

759
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: his kid almost got cut with the glass coming in

760
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: the morning because a junkie or something broke his car

761
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: window to steal his stuff. And now he's doing these

762
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: kind of party drugs. It's frustrating because you know, you

763
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: love someone to care about him and you want him

764
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: to do the best, and then they do other things.

765
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you're a parent, you know you want the

766
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: best for him, but at the same time, they're gonna

767
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: do what they're gonna do. I also had an encounter

768
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: that made me believe that Phoenix may have been involved

769
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 1: with drugs over the years. One night, when I was

770
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: out interviewing strangers on the street about Phoenix, a guy

771
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: told me that he had a ton of dirt on Phoenix.

772
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: He said that Phoenix was not a good guy and

773
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: he had a lot of inside information on his dealings

774
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 1: with drugs. This was around three in the morning, and

775
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: the guy said he was heading home to crash, but

776
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: he gave me his phone number and said he was

777
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: willing to do an interview with me. But when I

778
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: texted him to set up the interview, he said, quote,

779
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: I don't really like the guy. I don't know how

780
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: I feel about trashing his name in an interview. I'd

781
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: feel weird doing that to anybody. I told him he

782
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: could be anonymous or even off the record, but he

783
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: never responded to any of my texts after that. But

784
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: the whole exchange made me believe there was something more

785
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 1: to Phoenix is a relationship to drugs, and he was

786
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: willing to admit to me. It was Facebook messaging with

787
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: the net Jack and I said something about how I

788
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: commit up with you, and he was like, oh, he

789
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: was probably on cocaine. And I was like, okay, Like

790
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: is that a thing? Did you have a cocaine problem

791
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: that I didn't know about? But like, that's hilarious. I'll

792
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: never know because when I met men at Jack, he

793
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: was a drug addict and that's why he started patrolling.

794
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: So his comments on me doing drugs, it's really weird.

795
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 1: If I ever did do drugs, I would never do

796
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: them with bed night Jack. Like, I'm not talking about

797
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: drugs in any direct fashion, but what because I'm not

798
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: going to. But what I'm saying is like, even if

799
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: I had a problem where peanut butter every single day,

800
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: I wouldn't eat peanut butter before an interview because it

801
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 1: makes your mouth telling. Well, no one's saying, you know,

802
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 1: but that's what he's saying. But he's like, I think

803
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: you think of what he said, right, He's like he

804
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: was probably on this for the interview. That's me's saying,

805
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: and not that I've been on you saw that you

806
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: saw it as the United States Anti Doping Administration. I've

807
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: been a member of his saw since I was sixteen

808
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: years old. The Anti doping administration for the fucking Olympics. Yeah,

809
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: I'm a world class athlete and you think, and I've

810
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: swing up on fucking cocaine, but just you saying it's

811
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: so fucking stupid to me. You know, yeah, seventeen years,

812
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 1: I've never failed a drug test in seventeen years. They're

813
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 1: randomly done, but I know from two thousands two sixteen

814
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: to two thousand nineteen I was actively being tested for

815
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: you said it, right, which is once a month testing

816
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: and then a random one every three months. Right. That

817
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: leaves me eight days in every month that if I

818
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: had timed doing drugs perfectly, I could do them, I guess,

819
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,439
Speaker 1: and be high for I guess two days. So there's

820
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: sixty days in the left five years that I could

821
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: have actively done drugs and not gotten caught. And you're

822
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: telling me that those days are the days that I've

823
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: won scheduling an interview, probably in cocaine and too. I

824
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: have my life regimented enough when I can't even show

825
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: up on time to patrols that I care about because

826
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: I'm terribly late at everything, And you think I've scheduled

827
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: my life to the point that these random sixty days

828
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: I could do all of these fucking drugs. Yeah, to

829
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: my superhero careers run a hundred nineteen times. Every time

830
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 1: you get arrested, they take you to jail and you

831
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 1: be you have to because when if you're on drugs

832
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: and you and then you start having like to come

833
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: down right. Only one person on our team has ever

834
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 1: failed a PA test, and it fucking wasn't me. So

835
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: if we're gonna accuse people of things, but somebody's on

836
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: record is actually I've done that on record while you

837
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: were supering with us. But I mean, if y'all want

838
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: to come at me, there's records of you doing that.

839
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: Why we were fighting crime. If I wrote a book

840
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: about the fucking ship these assholes did, I mean, Jesus Christ,

841
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 1: I think we're definitely on part with each other for

842
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: being assholes. Congratulations were the biggest crew of assholes. Good job,

843
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: But none of that has anything to do with chasing

844
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 1: a gunman or stopping the crime. It's like everyone has

845
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: such a short memory, Like I remember everything that I did,

846
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: and I wish you guys would just bring up one

847
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: of the things that I actually did wrong, because I wish,

848
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: why would I ever do that? I get it, I get,

849
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 1: I mean I don't. I'm not no shade against you.

850
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do it either. I wouldn't be like volunteering

851
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: all these terrible things I've done to other people. But

852
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: I mean, but there are some but it is ironic

853
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Speaker 1: that they're talking all the ship about you. But then

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Speaker 1: it's like, well, tell me the real things that he

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Speaker 1: did so we can talk about it. But instead, and

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Speaker 1: I see your point, like I I would agree that

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Speaker 1: it seems highly unlikely that you've ever had a drug problem,

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Speaker 1: do you know what I mean. I'm just so frustrated,

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Speaker 1: just just sucking, irritating and just walking curious. I just

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Speaker 1: wouldn't beat the funk out of guys, which I would

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Speaker 1: not do because it's legal, but if I could, I wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: I tried to lighten the mood, but Phoenix didn't take

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Speaker 1: de bait. Have you ever thought about um doing like

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Speaker 1: a charity fight against bed night check or something like

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Speaker 1: that with a lion? Ever thought about doing a charity

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Speaker 1: fight with the mouse? Midnight Jack has twelve to twenty

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Speaker 1: crime stops. None of them are without me, and none

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Speaker 1: of them are hands on stops. Never been in a

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Speaker 1: fight his entire life, and I fought all over the

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Speaker 1: world as a professional fighter, and I'm gonna take out

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Speaker 1: my petty personal a grievances by going out and punching

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Speaker 1: these guys in the face. In the moment, I was

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Speaker 1: skeptical that Phoenix had a drug problem. He's very convincing

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Speaker 1: when he's talking to you directly, and he was a

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Speaker 1: professional athlete for a long time. But I wasn't able

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Speaker 1: to verify his claims about his USADA testing as he

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Speaker 1: isn't listed in their public databases. Now that I'm no

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Speaker 1: longer in the room with him, I don't know what

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Speaker 1: to think because there's also the elephant in the room

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Speaker 1: the moment where this whole series began. One day when

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Speaker 1: two thousand and twenty, EVO was at home with his

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Speaker 1: family when the news dropped. Remember helping my little girls

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Speaker 1: on homework. When I got messages from former team member.

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Speaker 1: Used to get a load of this, all right. The

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Speaker 1: crime fighting persona of Phoenix Jones has taken an interesting twist.

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Speaker 1: Interesting an m M A fighter whose real name is

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Speaker 1: Benjamin Photorc is in some very real legal trouble. Ever

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Speaker 1: since Phoenix put on his super suit and took to

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Speaker 1: the streets, He's claimed that the police have been out

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Speaker 1: to get him. He said they arrested him one hundred

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Speaker 1: and eighteen times, and each time he went free, but

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Speaker 1: they had finally succeeded in nailing him, and this time

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Speaker 1: the chargers would stick. Yeah, that was that was pretty hilarious,

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Speaker 1: not surprising, but just like, wow, he actually got caught.

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Speaker 1: What do you know? Phoenix had made many transformations in

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Speaker 1: his life, from bullied orphan to champion bowler, cocky break

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Speaker 1: dancer and then champion mm A fighter, And now he'd

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Speaker 1: gone from real life superhero to convicted drug dealer. So

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Speaker 1: how does the Great Phoenix Jones react when he's the

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Speaker 1: one in the jail cell? Next time, Seattle's perfect crime

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