1 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth Podcast, the hot fun in the summer time. Addition, 3 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: as I have a fun conversation with Seth Galina from 4 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus, who has an optimistic view of the 5 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: Bengals chances of returning to the playoffs this year, You'll 6 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: want to hear what Seth has to say. The Bengals 7 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: Booth Podcast is presented by bud Light. 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Seth Galina is 25 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: a Montreal based writer and podcaster for Pro Football Focus, 26 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: and he also has a coaching background, having coached linebackers 27 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 1: and quarterbacks in the past. I reached out to get 28 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: Seth on the podcast after seeing a recent article he 29 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: wrote for PF that painted a pretty optimistic picture for 30 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: the Bengals in twenty twenty one. Seth, on June third, 31 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,559 Speaker 1: you published a story with the following headline, the Cincinnati 32 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: Bengals will return to the playoffs if Joe Burrow can 33 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: fine tune the deep passing games. So I have two 34 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: questions for you based on that headline. Number one, do 35 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: you mean this year? And number two, why do you 36 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 1: think the Bengals were so bad in that area last year? 37 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,519 Speaker 1: I do mean this year, and maybe I'm getting a 38 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: little ahead of myself, but I'm very bullish on the 39 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: Bengals chances and that's because I'm very bullish on who 40 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: I think Joe Burrow can be as a quarterback. So 41 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: I get, let's get that out of the way. I'm 42 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: very much into the Bengals this season. I think the 43 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: issues they had last year were well, you know, I 44 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 1: wrote this in the article, but they're really threefold. First, 45 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 1: one look at the quarterback position. You have a guy 46 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: who was throwing the ball super accurately down the field 47 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: in college, and it just kind of didn't happen for 48 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: him last year. Obviously, he doesn't have this like super 49 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: arm strength, but I don't think that should matter that much. 50 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: I think it was just more of a fluke yere 51 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: where he just missed a couple of times, more than 52 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: a couple of times down the field, you know, on 53 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 1: on just sideline vertical sideline routes. And I think the 54 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: nice thing about Burrow is that it's not like other quarterbacks. 55 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: I can give you a good example like Daniel Jones, 56 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: who you know, might not have to have an elite 57 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: arm either, but Daniel Jones doesn't even try to throw 58 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 1: down the field. Joe Burrow loves to throw down the field. 59 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: He has a higher, you know, a relatively high average 60 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: depth of target. He loves throwing nine routes down the field. 61 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: That's his game, you know, trusting his receivers to go 62 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,839 Speaker 1: make plays for him. So on one hand, he wasn't 63 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: throwing the ball super accurately. On the other hand, trusting 64 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: his receivers to make plays for him down the field 65 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: didn't go as planned in the way that you know, 66 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: going back to the twenty nineteen season an LSU in 67 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: the way that Jamar Chase, who obviously he's reunited with, 68 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: and and Justin Jefferson and Terris Marshall went up and 69 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: made plays for him, you know, fifty fifty balls, the 70 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: LC receivers made plays for him. The Bengals receivers last 71 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: year could not come down with contested targets. I think 72 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: they were last in the league in percentage of deep 73 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: targets that were contested that they came up with. So 74 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 1: that's Burrow himself is number one, the receivers are number two, 75 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: and the number three things. I felt like the play calling, 76 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: they just could have used a lot more of these 77 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: kind of hard play action, turn your back to the defense, 78 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: come out of it, and you know, get the safety 79 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,559 Speaker 1: to bite on some route and then throw a post 80 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: over a set and I just didn't feel like there 81 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 1: was enough of those plays called. And if they can 82 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: get up to again, it's just you're really just trying 83 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: to get to league average, not asking them for too much, 84 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: just want to get to league average on those type 85 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: of plays. And I think with that you're cooking because 86 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 1: we know that Joe Burrow can make plays basically under 87 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: twenty yards. His technical ability is accuracy is top notch. 88 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: So if you can just figure out the rest and 89 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: it's a big part of the game, obviously creating explosive plays, 90 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: then then they're going to be fine. We're talking to 91 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 1: Seth Kalina from Pro Football Focus. Let's follow up on 92 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: Jamar Chase. How much will he help and did you 93 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 1: agree with the decision to draft him number five overall 94 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: instead of Pinasol. I don't think you could have went 95 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: wrong with either of them. I think probably the Bengals 96 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 1: might be under the kind of understanding that all they 97 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 1: really want to do is be average at offensive line, 98 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 1: and then if we're just average at at every position 99 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: on the offensive line, rather than having any major holes 100 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: or having any major elite players who Pinasul probably will 101 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 1: be then they'll be okay. And if and if that's 102 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: the case, then you go get the receiver who can 103 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: make plays one on one. I mean, that's really what 104 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: you want, is a guy who can win on the outside. 105 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: AJ Green clearly wasn't that player in twenty twenty. So 106 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: you replace him with a younger player who can go 107 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: up and make plays for them, who can get separation 108 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: against press coverage that you can just play as an 109 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: isolated receiver, which the Bengals like to do. So I 110 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: think it works. I think it's a really good situation 111 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: for Chase to go into and kind of the Bengals 112 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: bringing him in I think is a good a good 113 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: play by them. We're talking to Seth Galena from Pro 114 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: Football Focus. You can follow him on Twitter at p 115 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: f F Underscore. Seth, you wrote an in depth story 116 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: about Jamar Chase about a year ago when at that 117 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: time we expected him to have another year at LSU. 118 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: What can the Bengals steal from the way that LSU 119 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: use Jamar Chase? So the main idea from that was 120 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: what LSU did with Chase, which was he was there 121 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 1: what you would call an extra receiver, the guy that 122 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: you are going to isolate on one side of the field, 123 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:05,919 Speaker 1: and you're going to let him win? Are you going 124 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: to ask him? Hey, dude, time for you to win 125 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: on slant routes on whatever out. So usually that receiver 126 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: is I would say, hugging the sideline, but he's close 127 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: to the sideline, right, that's how we think about football, 128 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: I would say, But what LSU did was they brought 129 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: him in a lot more so you're still isolated, but 130 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: he was closer to the quarterback basically, And what that 131 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: allowed him to do was kind of be able to 132 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: use two releases. You can release inside for inside breaking routes, 133 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: but he still had the room to release outside and 134 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: run out, run corner routes to the sideline and then 135 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: uses his physical ability to win one on one. And 136 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: the Bengals already kind of do stuff stuff like that. 137 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: They had brought in what we'd call you know there 138 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: there are. They don't run a ton of RPOs, which 139 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: I actually think they should run more of um. But 140 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: one of the RPOs that they did run was a 141 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: kind of isolated receiver what I'd call a glance post. 142 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: So it's kind of like between a post and a slant. 143 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: So it's five steps and then he's going to break 144 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: inside on the forty five degree angle like a slant, 145 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: and they're ran it a little bit, but with LSU, 146 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: they ran it all the time in twenty nineteen. So 147 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: I think you bring in Chase, you know, with his 148 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: quarterback from college. I think that's the type of situation 149 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: where you can you can move Chase inside a bit, 150 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: have him run still those inbreaking routes, but then you 151 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: also get the benefit of being able to throw him 152 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: routes to the sideline, like corner routes where he's so 153 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: good at out routes, and then you even just give 154 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 1: him more room to work the sideline on a vertical 155 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: or vertical fadeball, vertical goal route, kind of like we 156 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: talked about before. So I think there's some things you 157 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: can bring in that they've kind of already done, but 158 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: a little more stuff you can bring in, which mar 159 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: Chase there. When I reached out to set up this interview, 160 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: you responded with, Yeah, I love talking about Burrell. I 161 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,080 Speaker 1: know you have experience in coaching quarterbacks. What are some 162 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: of the things they jump out when you study him 163 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: on tape? There's a confidence level. I mean, like, this 164 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: is not a technical thing at all, but there's just 165 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: an incredible confidence and I can make all these throws. 166 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: But he also, you know, on the technical side, he well, 167 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: I mean, look, first of all, he doesn't make mistakes. 168 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: He's not really throwing it the coverage. He's reading defenders. 169 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: You know, obviously good in the pocket. But I think 170 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: again from going back to the technical side, his feet 171 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: are as good as you're going to see in the league. Really, 172 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: he doesn't take any false steps. He's always throwing on time. 173 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: And yeah, because he doesn't have this a lead arm strength, 174 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: he can't afford to be laid on any throw and 175 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,719 Speaker 1: he is and he's not, so I think that's really 176 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: the main thing. Very balanced in the pocket. You know, 177 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: he takes his drop back. He's not like rushing back there. 178 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: He's not too slow. He's really balanced so that when 179 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: he gets to the end of his drop back, the 180 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: feet don't have to kind of reset themselves. And we 181 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: see that a lot of you know, I just happened 182 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: to watch Drew lock tape recently, another young quarterback, and 183 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: he's still learning that type of thing where okay, you know, 184 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 1: I don't I can get to a situation where if 185 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: I refine myself. I don't need to take these extra 186 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: little steps, and those extra little steps in the NFL 187 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: will kill you. And Burrow doesn't have to do that 188 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: because he's already at at an elite level and the 189 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 1: technical footwork and then of course, like the accuracy is 190 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 1: stunning in some places on the field, throwing out routes, 191 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: throwing slant stuff like that. So yeah, I think from 192 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: a technical perspective, the feats or really stands out to 193 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: me as as as top notch. One more question about 194 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: the June third article, and then I'll move on to 195 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: something else you wrote in the final paragraph. They could 196 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: be a real dark horse to make the playoffs, and 197 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: even the wind of the vision. Obviously Burrow is a 198 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: huge reason that you feel that way. But I don't 199 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: think you would write that if you didn't think the 200 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: overall talent was at least pretty good. Yeah, I mean, look, 201 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: the skill position players are pretty good. Like I think 202 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: they've been hyped up a lot, you know when I 203 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: look at or read other Bengals articles that they're hyped up. 204 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: For sure. You're obviously assuming that a player you take 205 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: at number five overall it's going to be a really 206 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: good receiver. So I think like there's a chance that 207 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: those guys are really, really good. I would say there's 208 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: not a guarantee, but there's a chance. Obviously at running back, 209 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: you're feeling pretty good about yourselves with Mixon. Like I said, 210 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,839 Speaker 1: the offensive line just needs to be average. So I 211 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: would say a lot of things do have to go well, 212 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: but there's the makings of a nice roster in terms 213 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: of the type of players they have, you know, all 214 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: the you know, the receiving corps has different types, whether 215 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: you look at Boyd or Higgins or or Chase. So 216 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of things to like. The 217 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: defense is interesting. They were very they were league average 218 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: last year, I would say, and if they're league average again, 219 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: that's pretty much all you need from this defense. Obviously, 220 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: if they if they can, if they can manage to 221 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: get above that, that'd be great. So I think there's 222 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: a lot of things to like. And I think if 223 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 1: if they all go right, I'm sure you could say 224 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: this about a bunch of teams, but I feel like 225 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,319 Speaker 1: if they all go right, yeah, you could definitely win 226 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: the division, go to the playoffs, especially with three walk 227 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: art teams. I think going to the playoffs is a 228 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: realistic expectation assuming Burrow bounces back from the injury and 229 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: is and is very good. We're talking to Seth Galena 230 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: from Pro Football Focus. He is also the host of 231 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: PFF's College Football podcast. Since You're Joe Burrows story. You've 232 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: written about the offensive and defensive schemes of all thirty 233 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: two NFL teams. Obviously, the Bengals are primarily a three 234 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: wide receiver, one tight end offense. Are there any obvious 235 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: ways that you see for the Bengals to be more 236 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: efficient than they've been the last couple of years under 237 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 1: Zach Taylor. Yeah, I wouldn't mind if they went back. 238 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: You know, Zach Taylor was brought in from the let's say, 239 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: the Sean McVeigh tree, and you don't really see that 240 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: type of offense, which is fine him. Know, he's more 241 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: than welcome to do whatever he wants, whatever he feels 242 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 1: is necessary. So you see them, you know, in the 243 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: shotgun obviously, and it helps with Burrow there, you know, 244 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: he played like that in college. But I also think 245 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,199 Speaker 1: Burro being just a very good quarterback means you could 246 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: get them under center more. You could start stretching defenses 247 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: out sidelines to sideline with that wide zone outside zone 248 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: running play and then and then use play action off 249 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: of that rather than the kind of you know, if 250 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: you're going to be in the shotgun, then that your 251 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: whole play action experience is going to change because you 252 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: can't you know, I've said it before, you can't turn 253 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: your back to the defense and really sell it hard. 254 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,959 Speaker 1: Burro does a good job of selling the shotgun play 255 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: action stuff, but I think you can do a lot 256 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: more from under center. So I would like to see 257 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: them maybe maybe kind of balance them, sums up themselves 258 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: out a little more by going under center, running some 259 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: more stretch and seeing if that can get them anywhere. 260 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: What stood out when you studied lou Anna Romo's defensive schemes. 261 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: I mean it was pretty you know, I don't think 262 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: anything necessarily stood out, you know, I wrote this in 263 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: the article, but I'm very interested to see I kind 264 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: of didn't realize this until I went went and looked 265 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: at it, But a lot of man coverage and it 266 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: kind of works with the players they had. Now that 267 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: you're you're you're changing around some defensive players. Obviously, William 268 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 1: Jackson has been a mainstay, was a mainstay at in 269 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: Cincinnati for a long time and one of the better 270 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: man coverage defenders. Now you don't have them anymore, So 271 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: are you going to say, okay, we can we can 272 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: play more zone defense. And it's funny because you know, 273 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: William Jackson goes to Washington where they did not play 274 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: a lot of man, they played a lot of zone, 275 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: and they said, hey, we didn't have we don't have 276 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: the horses right now to play man. We're gonna keep 277 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: every We're gonna play zone. We're gonna keep everything in 278 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: front of us. So I wonder if and again just 279 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: the William Jackson connection is there, if now you lose 280 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: William Jackson and now the Sinci defense says, okay, now 281 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: wait a minute. When we don't have the horses to 282 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: run man coverage, we're gonna stay in more zone coverage. 283 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: We're gonna keep things in front of us, and hopefully 284 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: we don't allow a lot of explosive plays that way. 285 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: So I'm very interested to see because I do think 286 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: it could change a bit with the personnel changes. But 287 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: you know, like I said, it was a league average defense, 288 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: and that's that's I feel like with the personnel, that's 289 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: probably what you can hope for again this year. Seth 290 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: Kalina is our guest from Pro Football Focus. In free agency, 291 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: the Bengals signed Trey Hendrickson, Larry Ogan, Joebi, Mike Hilton, 292 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: should Obey a Woogie, and Riley Reef, among others. Which 293 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: additions do you like? Which ones aren't you as high on? 294 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: I think there's the Trey Hendrickson one is interesting because 295 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: I think the sack total that he put up in 296 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: New Orleans maybe isn't as predictive, let's say, of where 297 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: he could be. But I really like that player. He's 298 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: a hard worker, he's good against the run, so I 299 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: think he can he can still give you something even 300 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: if maybe you know, the sack total comes down by 301 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: five or six or something like that. I think I 302 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: still think, you know, don't look at it like at 303 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: the end of the season only he only got seven sacks, 304 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: only only got six sacks. I think he's still a 305 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: well rounded player and can give you a lot, you know, 306 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: on the defensive line, on the edge. And you are 307 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: a big fan of the Mike Hilton signing. If I 308 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: remember correctly, you're talking about a guy who's super underrated, 309 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: can play in the slot. Well, that's where he's going 310 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: to play, is in the slot, and it'll be a 311 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: different you know again, talk about the scheme, you know 312 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: what he does. What he did for the Pittsburgh Steelers 313 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: was was interesting because he was kind of a hybrid 314 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: like playing in the slot, but also like he's he's 315 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: a he's a sturdy dude, and he likes to get 316 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: his nose a little dirty and play against the run. 317 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: And you know, the Steelers defense bl blitz him a 318 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: lot from the slot. So it'll be interesting to see. Okay, well, 319 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: are the Bengals going to do that or are this 320 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: going to hang him out and play man to man 321 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: on the slot. I think, you know, for my money, 322 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: would be better if they if they use him like 323 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: he did in Pittsburgh and and have him, you know again, 324 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: like I said, get his nose dirty, fit up against 325 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 1: the run, blitz him off the edge. He's such a 326 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: dynamic player like that that I hope, I hope we 327 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: see him being used like that again. We're talking to 328 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: Seth Kalina from Pro Football Focus, So I read PFF regularly. 329 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: I always try to see whatever is being written about 330 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 1: the Bengals by you and your colleagues, but I thought 331 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: it'd be good to see what you might have written 332 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: about them in the past that I might have missed. 333 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: And I stumble upon a reference to you spending three 334 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: days as a guest coach with the Bengals in twenty eighteen. 335 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: Did that happen? Yeah, I would. Where I was coaching 336 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator at the time was friends with the 337 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: Bengals former defensive coordinator Tarall Austin, so we were able 338 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: to go there and they taught us so much getting 339 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: getting to go in the practice field. I stole so 340 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: much gatorade from the locker room I may have. Yeah, 341 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: So it was such a great experiences getting to you know, 342 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: I was coaching the linebackers at that time, so I 343 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 1: was there with a really really good linebacker room at 344 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 1: that point. I learned so much from you know, I'm 345 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 1: a Saints fan, so growing up, you know, I lived 346 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: through the Jim Haslet days and I got to, you know, 347 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 1: be in the same room as him when he was 348 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: a Bengals linebacker coach. That was that was fantastic. Yeah, 349 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: good guy. I grew up rooting for the Buffalo Bills, 350 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: so naturally I was a Jim haslet fan from his 351 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: playing days with Buffalo, what happened in the Bengals locker room. Uh. Well, 352 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: so your listeners won't know this about me until now, 353 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: but I'm a very, very stupid individual. And it was 354 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: very hot that day in uh in Cincinnati, and I 355 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: decided to wear long sleeves and we were out in 356 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: the practice field all day, and I think I might 357 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 1: have gotten a little heat stroke, and I wasn't feeling 358 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: very well. And my claim to fame is that I 359 00:18:54,640 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 1: vomited in the Bengals locker room. So and yeah, so 360 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: I've I've marked my my territory there in Paul Brown Stadium, 361 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: and I'm clinging to that. I've asked a lot of 362 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 1: stupid questions in that locker room, but I'm proud to 363 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: say I have not vomited a few more questions for 364 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 1: Seth Galina from Pro Football Focus, as I mentioned, also 365 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: the host of PF's college football podcast, Let's talk about 366 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: college football for just a moment, because PF just released 367 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: the College Football Preview magazine, more than six hundred pages. 368 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: It's got all sorts of great stuff in there. Looks 369 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 1: like Cincinnati is ranked twelfth in the preseason by PF. 370 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: Do you consider the Bearcats to be the best team 371 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 1: outside of the Power five. I do. I think a 372 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: lot of it is. I think they're they're in for 373 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: a very interesting season. You know, when you think about 374 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: these type of teams, the non the non Alabama has 375 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: done on Clemson's, the non lsues, etc. These teams tend 376 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: to find lightning in a bottle one year and then 377 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: you know, and obviously there's a very stable program there 378 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: for the Bearcats, but still like to get to where 379 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 1: they were last year. It's it's magic, right And I 380 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 1: think you know a lot of your listeners will will 381 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: will have been very excited last year watching them play. 382 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 1: So I do wonder if you could find that again 383 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 1: or if it's going to be a situation where maybe 384 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 1: this year is a little bit of a rebuild and 385 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: then they're back at it in two years. But with 386 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 1: that said, you return to quarterback, you return a lot 387 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:35,199 Speaker 1: of talent on the defensive line in the secondary. For me, 388 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: the biggest thing that I'm looking for is obviously new 389 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. Marcus Freeman is now Notre Dame. They bring 390 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: in Mike Tressel too. I think two completely different philosophies, 391 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: and we don't really know exactly what Mike Tressell is 392 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: going to do, but he comes from Michigan State where 393 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: we know with with D'Antonio and Pat Nardoozi before like, 394 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: they all are going to be a quarters, you know, 395 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,199 Speaker 1: four down defensive lineman, kind of a classic you know 396 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 1: defensive style where if you watch Cincinnati last year, very 397 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: different style of defense that Marcus Freeman was running, and 398 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: it was one of my favorite defenses to watch because 399 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: they were just you couldn't you didn't know anything was 400 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: going to happen from post snap to pre snap. Sorry, 401 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: from pre snap to post snap. They were flying around 402 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: three man defensive line. The linebackers were both kind of 403 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: hybrid players. The safety was a linebacker but he was 404 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: also a cover guy, but he was also this and 405 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: then figure out ways to kind of do that and 406 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: still play man coverage behind. It was really fascinating. So yeah, 407 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: you know, again there's talent that returns, but the scheme 408 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: I do wonder if CHESSI will continue in the mold 409 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,360 Speaker 1: that Marcus Freeman that did, or he'll kind of bring 410 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: in his own style. Obviously, looky, he's his own man. 411 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: Will probably bring in his own style, but I'm very 412 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: interested to see what they do there. Yeah, I'm sure 413 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 1: Mike tress will bring in some of his own stuff. 414 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 1: On the other hand, I wonder if it was Luke 415 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: Fickle's defense or Marcus Freeman's defense, It's probably. You know, 416 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 1: they were very closely aligned, both personally and as a 417 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 1: football coaches, and I'm guessing coach Tressell comes in with 418 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: the overall thought of, hey, let's not mess up what's 419 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: working by trying to do too much. That's different. Yeah, 420 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: I would say that's probably, And I wouldn't look I 421 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: hadn't look this up, but you get the feeling that 422 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: there's certain connection there between Mike Tressell and Fickle v 423 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: o Ohio States somewhere down the line. So I would 424 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 1: imagine that they know each other relatively well, and they've 425 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 1: been probably picking each other's brains for years, and so 426 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: I would think that Fickle would want to keep keep 427 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: this type of defense. The only thing is it is 428 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 1: a unique defense. So it's like, if you don't know 429 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: it like the back of your hand, can you solve 430 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: the problems that you're going to face on a week 431 00:22:55,680 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: two week basis? You know, Yes, the Michigan State defense 432 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: is a little more like I said, classic traditional to 433 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: a certain degree. But if you know how to fix 434 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: the problems with that are inherent to it, then you're 435 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 1: better than you might be better off than a defense 436 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: that you don't know as well. So yeah, I would 437 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: assume we would see more of the same stuff that 438 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: we saw from Freeman last year, But the back of 439 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 1: my head says that me it might be a little different. 440 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,400 Speaker 1: As you pointed out, if you're not Alabama or Clemson 441 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: or somebody like that, it's hard to go undefeat it 442 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 1: and back to back years very few teams do. But 443 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: let's just say that Cincinnati somehow pulls it off, and 444 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: that would include road wins in back to back weeks 445 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: early in the season at Indiana and at Notre Dame, 446 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: which would make a big splash nationally. If they did it, 447 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,719 Speaker 1: would they have a legitimate shot at making a fourteen playoff. 448 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 1: I want to believe it. I want to believe it 449 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,360 Speaker 1: because I would make spile that would make college football 450 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 1: so much better. But and certainly you would knock off 451 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 1: Notre Dame, who could be a team that would be 452 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: in the top six or whatever fighting for that spot, 453 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 1: um Indiana. I don't think it's gonna win the Big Ten, 454 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 1: but I think they're a sleeper pick to win the 455 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: Big Ten. They could be very good. So yes, it 456 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: would help. It would certainly. You know, if you could 457 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: go through the conference, you know, the AAC undefeated and 458 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: then like you did last year, but then add two 459 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 1: out of conference wins that are that are elite to 460 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: you know, one elite program, one very good program, it 461 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 1: would it would do you some good. You have to 462 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 1: see how the I hope. So, but you know, you 463 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: know you're gonna get two SEC teams that are you know, 464 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 1: zero one losses. You know you're gonna get a Clemson 465 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: team that's pretty good to go undefeated again. And and yeah, 466 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: the four spot's gonna be really interesting. I hope. So, 467 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 1: I really hope. So because we need we need, we 468 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: need comaturtable needs a team to crash the party one 469 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 1: of these years, right well, twelve team playoff is apparently coming, 470 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: so the Cincinnatis of the world will get their chance 471 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: in a few years. Final question for Sef Galen and 472 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 1: I appreciate all of your time. Last month, you took 473 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: an early look at the top quarterback prospects for next 474 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: year's NFL draft. You didn't have Desmond Ritter of Cincinnati 475 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: in the top five. I get that there's some really 476 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: good players out there. I was a little surprised though 477 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: he was not in your five honorable mentions. Why not? 478 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: I think if we see there's flashes there with Ritter 479 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: and you know, you have the live arm, you have 480 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 1: the running ability, I would like to see it play 481 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: one to play sixty. Every game, play sixty, Like I'm 482 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: talking like it's still two thousand and three and that's 483 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: all play one. Yeah, I would just like to see 484 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: that happen on a consistent basis. I think there's, like 485 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: I said, there's a lot of talent there, but you're 486 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,640 Speaker 1: looking for something. And there was a really good stretch 487 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: and I don't remember the weeks now and maybe in 488 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 1: the middle of the season towards the end of the 489 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: season that you look said, oh, okay, here's here's a player. 490 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: You know, here's a real quarterback that we can look 491 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 1: at for next year's NFL draft. But I don't think 492 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: it's it's there consistently. But if he puts it all together, 493 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: because like I said, the tools are there, that armed 494 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: up ball just rockets off his arm. So yeah, I'm 495 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 1: excited for him, but I just feel like I need 496 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 1: to see it more for like a whole season. Fair enough, Seth, 497 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: this has been great, and let the record show that 498 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: if the Bengals deep passing game is NFL average and 499 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: they go back to the playoffs you called it on 500 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: June third, it would be good because I have a 501 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 1: lot of other stuff that I've called this offseason that 502 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: probably not going to pan out, so this will be 503 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: a good Thanks so much for your time, best of 504 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: luck to your Canadians, and again, keep up the good work. Thanks, 505 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: thank you again. You can follow Seth on Twitter at 506 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: p f F Underscore Seth. That's going to do it. 507 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 1: For this episode of the Bengals Booth Podcast, brought to 508 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 1: you by bud Light Seltzer, refresh the game. If you 509 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: haven't done so already, please subscribe, and if you have 510 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: a minute, give it a rating or share a comment 511 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 1: that helps more Bengals fans find this podcast. I'm Dan Horde, 512 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: and thanks for listening to The Bengals Booth Podcast.